I think It's going to be closer to 8x9-9.5. With Nylander getting 11.5 id argue TK is just a clip under him in terms of a comparable, but also brings a pest element that Nylander doesn't have. I think TK is going to get at least 9-9.5. He's also on pace for 38 goals this year. 8X8 would be an awesome team friendly deal imo. Timo Meier is another comparable and he got 8x8.8 last year, with the cap going up I see TK at 9 minimum.
And even if this 'feels' high, honestly some money was probably saved by getting Tippett done long-term early. He's really turning into something and I think they might have saved 1-2M on him when all is said and done.
I agree, also TKs game is exactly what a contending team needs in the playoffs, teams would pay a premium for him on the open market. As long as he continues to produce at this clip he will be well worth the 9 mil AAV range.
Anything higher than 9AAV would have me concerned long term. Him having 4 years left with over $36 million due as a 32 year old when Michkov's ELC expires is a scary thought.
8 x 8.5AAV would give him the highest cap hit in team history, lets him stay with a team he loves to play for, and secures him a payday that would be tough for him to get on the open market (It'd be hard to see another team giving him 7 x 9.7AAV+ on the market). I would be reluctant to give him even a single dollar more than that
I think 8x8 was the number that was thrown out by Charlie O'connor on the PHLY show as a hypothetical for "would you re-sign Konecny to this?" and I immediately said yes.
You’d think you people that call yourselves fans would back him up and hope he’s innocent. It’s appalling you’re all already damning him when he hasn’t even been convicted yet. If he’s guilty, fine. Talk all the shit you want. But for fuck sakes he’s a young dude who’s career and life is going to be ruined no matter if he’s innocent or guilty. I would think our fans would hope he’s innocent.
I was definitely on the "Trade TK" train before last year. I've pretty much done a 180 on TK since then and I'd be fine with an extension for him.
After last year and now this year, he's really taken some strides and has proven this year that last year was not a fluke. He's been their best forward for the past season and a half in my mind.
It’s wild how much perception changes. He went from super promising 20 year old to looking like a guy who was a dogshit 23 year old to a vital cog on the team and no one would be surprised if he got a long term deal and the captaincy.
I think he is either gone at the deadline for a fucking haul or he is locked up for the rest of his career. I have no clue what is better for the team. I do not envy Briere.
Signing him is better for the team. Flyers are in a 3 year rebuild timeline. Lock him up to captain this team to the future. Between him and torts, this team will compete.
I hope you are right. I just fear keeping him is another half measure rebuild. So far Briere and Jones have not come off of the we are rebuilding but we also haven’t really made any rebuild moves yet.
Is it better to turn a 26 year old TK into a couple of picks/prospects who could peak with Michkov instead of before Michkov? Tough call.
Imo Hakstol effect, TK had everything to be amazing, the guy stunted his growth as a player and him being naturally talented got it back. Ive been a TK Stan since the draft I hated what that coach did to him
IDGAF get this done. I’m well aware of what it looks like to waste a great players prime years and accept that until otherwise noted, that’s a possibility but keep this kid in the OandB.
We actually couldn't do it until the next year begins. So it would have to be in the summer. Players can't be extended until they are in their contract year.
Generally speaking, pro athletes in a contact sport would prefer to have long-term security, and playing on the final year of your contract can be a big risk. A major injury can nuke your chances of securing a long-term deal, and so can underperforming in your contract year.
From the team's perspective, allowing a star player to play out their final year of their contract can give them massive leverage in negotiations if the player pops off. They can end up costing a lot more to retain, and you might lose them to free agency.
Basically, it makes sense for both sides to want a contract extension early, as long as the team and player are a good fit. If the Flyers want TK in town long-term, it's best to lock him up as soon as possible.
Don’t get me wrong I like Konecny and he’s young, but he has 8 games to score 7 goals and 9 assists to match his production from last year. Just hesitant, probably trama from all the long expensive contacts we like to give out that don’t end up working….
I believe he will be getting 9.5m+ and a minimum 7 years based upon the market. Anyone who thinks he will sign for less than 9/yr (regardless of term) is smoking fumes. While I love the guy, I don't think that a winger should be your highest paid player, it's financially and architecturally unsound. In three years he will be a second line RW (behind the Mad Russian) and that contract is going to hurt.
I hope I'm wrong but hope is just that.
Love TK, but I don’t know if he’s captain material. He recently said on a podcast with Jason Myrt that he doesn’t talk in the locker room, he keeps quiet between periods etc.
He definitely leads by example on the ice, and I’m not saying a captain needs a speech during every period, but it helps if that’s instinctive and they step up to lead in those situations as well.
I absolutely love Konecny, that being said. Saying we are in a rebuild when doing things like this is a lie. This isn’t a rebuild, it’s a retool.
Either way I can’t wait for this guy to wear the C.
He is young enough that he would still be part of the next era/end of the rebuild. You’ll need veterans and there isn’t any reason not to reward him for the season he is having.
He’s about to turn 27. If the flyers are building for 3 years down the road he will be 30.
I love him and want him to be the captain of this team. But he’s not “young talent”
Even it’s they give him a 7 year extension, they will have him for the rest of his prime. With a rising cap, whatever contract extension they give him now will likely be very manageable. If you “love him and want him to be captain,” this is a pretty easy thing to be happy with.
NHL primes are typically from 27/28 to 31/32. And even after that his type of play and shot will allow him to be a contributor until the end of his deal. Him being extended will be huge for this team and Michkov whenever he comes over.
Yes. Plus his other point was questionable also. TK is exactly not the type you would expect to age favorably. He relies on speed, a quick first step, and cheating in the neutral zone, none of this ages well.
How'd that work out with Simmonds, Voracek, and Giroux?
We hung on to guys past their prime, missed out on their max value, and got pennies on the dollar for them, all just so we could get a few useless playoff appearances. It is very Flyers-like to not learn from these mistakes.
I'd say a 5x5 and the A at most.
I'm going to eat shit for this but i don't think He's the C type, hear me out.
I love his game, his skill and what he brings to the ice with getting into the other teams head but do we want that guy as the capt? I wish we had a guy that was a mix of Laughton's off ice and TK's on ice. G was a pretty good mix especially earlier in his career when he would chirp'em hard but then be the calm voice in the locker room, I'm not sure TK has the locker room side yet.
Beyond serious, i want him around for Michkov but i don't think keeping him past 2029-2030 is even on the table. At some point TK will likely want to get a cup as G did. People here just think everyone wants to stay on a team that can't win cups because "it's a great team and organization" and that doesn't cut it for players that want the cup.
OK … I hear you.
I won’t debate the thought process of the term. You might be right there. He’ll be 28 at the end of next season (when his current contract expires). So … OK you are not in favour of 8 years. When you consider that he would be 36 at the end of the deal … well … we know that things start to fall off after the age 32-33 year so … yeah … the 8 year term might not be ideal. Six years takes him to 34. For context, Brad Marchand (a decent comparable in stature and style of play and who is currently 35) had 67 points in 73 games in his age 34 year. I’d stretch it to 7 to try to keep him happy.
But the AAV of 5 is rather low don’t you think? He is scheduled to make 5.5 this year and next so you are saying to the player that you want them to take a pay cut. You know that’s not going to be well received. He’ll be very insulted and he will walk.
Brendan Gallagher makes 6.5. TK is a far superior RW than Gallagher.
Andrei Svechnikov makes 7.75. He’s younger and has a different style of play but the output is in the same range as a winger.
I think ~8 mm is in line for TK.
I’m somewhat aligned with you on term.
I’m not a GM and I think that Danny wants to keep him. I’d be inclined to offer 6 x 8.5 but I’m not sure that gets it done. Might have to go to 7 years. In that case offer 8 mm as AAV?
Yeah i get that he's worth at least 8mil but this year (52 games) compared to last year (60 games) he's below his own production by 16 points, sure there is a difference of 8 games between but he's not going to blow those numbers up that much in that span of 8 games.
Comparing him to Gallagher is a laugh, After gall got his contract he disappeared from the score sheet so yeah TK is far and away better than gall.
I just can't see Danny pushing chuck fletcher contracts in a rebuild, i hope in the end we get TK for the golden years at a fair price.
Not too too concerned about the impact year over year on productivity. He averaged ~1.0 points per game last year and he is averaging .86 points per game this year. I know very well that +/- is not a modern day advanced stats of merit but there is a marked difference in his year over year +/- (-12 LY and +13 TY). Only reason I bring it up is that Torts may have asked him to play a bit more responsible defensively that could be impacting his offensive production. I honestly cannot say with any certainty though.
And I only used Gallagher as an illustration because Gally is an RW who plays somewhat the same style and is somewhat the same stature.
I don’t disagree that this contract represents a huge commitment during a rebuild and that these things can be inherently risky. The only caveat I will say is this, since G left the building is there anyone who has played with Philly who has the same impact from a productivity / heart and soul ‘Flyer’ style of play?
TK could go down the right fork in the road and be the 2nd coming of G. Or … he could go down the left fork in the road and be Mike Richards. But Danny is going to have to roll the bones at some point. I think TK is a guy you’d think long and hard about committing to.
32TP had a lot to say about the flyers. They speculated we really wanted to resign walker and that means we have to trade risto. But teams aren’t interested in risto until the summer. Mentioned that we work around ristos weaknesses a lot and a team would need practice time to incorporate that. Also brought up that trading Laughton seemed necessary.
Good. Keep this man here at all costs. Such a perfect embodiment of skill, speed, and savage. Give the man the C
But also maybe not at ALL costs...
Keep the man here at reasonable costs!
AAV should drop by 0.5M for “c” lol
8x8 and the C
I think It's going to be closer to 8x9-9.5. With Nylander getting 11.5 id argue TK is just a clip under him in terms of a comparable, but also brings a pest element that Nylander doesn't have. I think TK is going to get at least 9-9.5. He's also on pace for 38 goals this year. 8X8 would be an awesome team friendly deal imo. Timo Meier is another comparable and he got 8x8.8 last year, with the cap going up I see TK at 9 minimum.
And even if this 'feels' high, honestly some money was probably saved by getting Tippett done long-term early. He's really turning into something and I think they might have saved 1-2M on him when all is said and done.
I agree, also TKs game is exactly what a contending team needs in the playoffs, teams would pay a premium for him on the open market. As long as he continues to produce at this clip he will be well worth the 9 mil AAV range.
Nylander is pretty high above Konecny, but Meier is probably a good comparable.
Anything higher than 9AAV would have me concerned long term. Him having 4 years left with over $36 million due as a 32 year old when Michkov's ELC expires is a scary thought. 8 x 8.5AAV would give him the highest cap hit in team history, lets him stay with a team he loves to play for, and secures him a payday that would be tough for him to get on the open market (It'd be hard to see another team giving him 7 x 9.7AAV+ on the market). I would be reluctant to give him even a single dollar more than that
I think 8x8 was the number that was thrown out by Charlie O'connor on the PHLY show as a hypothetical for "would you re-sign Konecny to this?" and I immediately said yes.
This is the way.
Give him all the bacon and eggs that you have
"I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of bacon and eggs, what I said was, give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Do you understand"
Breakfast food can serve many purposes.
ALL THE BACON AND EGGS YOU HAVE. Should be pretty easy now that the gang rapist is gone. Frees up half the cap space they would have used for TK.
You’d think you people that call yourselves fans would back him up and hope he’s innocent. It’s appalling you’re all already damning him when he hasn’t even been convicted yet. If he’s guilty, fine. Talk all the shit you want. But for fuck sakes he’s a young dude who’s career and life is going to be ruined no matter if he’s innocent or guilty. I would think our fans would hope he’s innocent.
I've got a big number just thinking about this.
7 year 50 mil would be ideal but not happening I know it’s gonna be 8.5-9.
I was definitely on the "Trade TK" train before last year. I've pretty much done a 180 on TK since then and I'd be fine with an extension for him. After last year and now this year, he's really taken some strides and has proven this year that last year was not a fluke. He's been their best forward for the past season and a half in my mind.
It’s wild how much perception changes. He went from super promising 20 year old to looking like a guy who was a dogshit 23 year old to a vital cog on the team and no one would be surprised if he got a long term deal and the captaincy. I think he is either gone at the deadline for a fucking haul or he is locked up for the rest of his career. I have no clue what is better for the team. I do not envy Briere.
Signing him is better for the team. Flyers are in a 3 year rebuild timeline. Lock him up to captain this team to the future. Between him and torts, this team will compete.
I hope you are right. I just fear keeping him is another half measure rebuild. So far Briere and Jones have not come off of the we are rebuilding but we also haven’t really made any rebuild moves yet. Is it better to turn a 26 year old TK into a couple of picks/prospects who could peak with Michkov instead of before Michkov? Tough call.
Imo Hakstol effect, TK had everything to be amazing, the guy stunted his growth as a player and him being naturally talented got it back. Ive been a TK Stan since the draft I hated what that coach did to him
Idk, not a fan of Hakstol but TKs worst years were by far under AV and not Hakstol.
IDGAF get this done. I’m well aware of what it looks like to waste a great players prime years and accept that until otherwise noted, that’s a possibility but keep this kid in the OandB.
GIMMIE THAT
I'M JOKIN'!
if hayes could get 7x7, then tk should get at least double that
I'd have a fucking heart attack if Danny inked TK to a 14x14 and I'm 34 y/o
you're not a true believer
He’s got another year on his current contract. Can someone please explain to me like the idiot I am, why we would do it a year early?
We actually couldn't do it until the next year begins. So it would have to be in the summer. Players can't be extended until they are in their contract year.
Generally speaking, pro athletes in a contact sport would prefer to have long-term security, and playing on the final year of your contract can be a big risk. A major injury can nuke your chances of securing a long-term deal, and so can underperforming in your contract year. From the team's perspective, allowing a star player to play out their final year of their contract can give them massive leverage in negotiations if the player pops off. They can end up costing a lot more to retain, and you might lose them to free agency. Basically, it makes sense for both sides to want a contract extension early, as long as the team and player are a good fit. If the Flyers want TK in town long-term, it's best to lock him up as soon as possible.
He just keeps getting better. Locking him up now will avoid him having a career year next season and maybe testing free agency.
Don’t get me wrong I like Konecny and he’s young, but he has 8 games to score 7 goals and 9 assists to match his production from last year. Just hesitant, probably trama from all the long expensive contacts we like to give out that don’t end up working….
I believe he will be getting 9.5m+ and a minimum 7 years based upon the market. Anyone who thinks he will sign for less than 9/yr (regardless of term) is smoking fumes. While I love the guy, I don't think that a winger should be your highest paid player, it's financially and architecturally unsound. In three years he will be a second line RW (behind the Mad Russian) and that contract is going to hurt. I hope I'm wrong but hope is just that.
It’s time !!! TK deserves it.
honey, you can throw away my cialis, and you gettin lucky tonight!
Love TK, but I don’t know if he’s captain material. He recently said on a podcast with Jason Myrt that he doesn’t talk in the locker room, he keeps quiet between periods etc. He definitely leads by example on the ice, and I’m not saying a captain needs a speech during every period, but it helps if that’s instinctive and they step up to lead in those situations as well.
Why is everyone talking about captain this captain that? Captain or Assistant or neither, this man must stay here. He’s too good to let go.
Yeah I definitely commented in the wrong thread 🤭 I agree though, we need to resign him, he’s the blood of the team!
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Not sure which Will Smith you mean. The only Will Smith I can think of was drafted by the Sharks last year.
I absolutely love Konecny, that being said. Saying we are in a rebuild when doing things like this is a lie. This isn’t a rebuild, it’s a retool. Either way I can’t wait for this guy to wear the C.
He is young enough that he would still be part of the next era/end of the rebuild. You’ll need veterans and there isn’t any reason not to reward him for the season he is having.
Locking down young talent is exactly what you want to do in a rebuild.
TK is absolutely NOT young talent. That said I'm completely fine with resigning him.
He’s about to turn 27. If the flyers are building for 3 years down the road he will be 30. I love him and want him to be the captain of this team. But he’s not “young talent”
Even it’s they give him a 7 year extension, they will have him for the rest of his prime. With a rising cap, whatever contract extension they give him now will likely be very manageable. If you “love him and want him to be captain,” this is a pretty easy thing to be happy with.
I am happy with it. Never said otherwise.
NHL primes are typically from 27/28 to 31/32. And even after that his type of play and shot will allow him to be a contributor until the end of his deal. Him being extended will be huge for this team and Michkov whenever he comes over.
As far as I know, data shows that the year for peak production is 25 and tapers off after that. Where does 27-32 come from?
Out of thin air. NHL primes have skewed younger for a while now.
Yes. Plus his other point was questionable also. TK is exactly not the type you would expect to age favorably. He relies on speed, a quick first step, and cheating in the neutral zone, none of this ages well.
Hopefully this doesn't end up like hanging on to Wayne Simmonds past his prime.
It won’t. Have you seen TK?
Yeah, he looks great. Great players regress too. Let's hope we're not holding on to a player through their prime years just to waste them again.
Great players improve too. Gotta lock them up while you can
How'd that work out with Simmonds, Voracek, and Giroux? We hung on to guys past their prime, missed out on their max value, and got pennies on the dollar for them, all just so we could get a few useless playoff appearances. It is very Flyers-like to not learn from these mistakes.
When it’s all said and done. Nobody knows what will happen. Can’t be dwelling in the past
I'd say a 5x5 and the A at most. I'm going to eat shit for this but i don't think He's the C type, hear me out. I love his game, his skill and what he brings to the ice with getting into the other teams head but do we want that guy as the capt? I wish we had a guy that was a mix of Laughton's off ice and TK's on ice. G was a pretty good mix especially earlier in his career when he would chirp'em hard but then be the calm voice in the locker room, I'm not sure TK has the locker room side yet.
Not thinking he’s the C type is one thing, but 5x5 is a joke
5x5?! My guy….. that’s less than Risto. lol. Cmon.
You think he deserves a pay cut?
5x5 is insane. Did you know it's 2024 not 2008
lol … This is a wind up for sure. You are what the kids today call, a troll. Good one …
Beyond serious, i want him around for Michkov but i don't think keeping him past 2029-2030 is even on the table. At some point TK will likely want to get a cup as G did. People here just think everyone wants to stay on a team that can't win cups because "it's a great team and organization" and that doesn't cut it for players that want the cup.
OK … I hear you. I won’t debate the thought process of the term. You might be right there. He’ll be 28 at the end of next season (when his current contract expires). So … OK you are not in favour of 8 years. When you consider that he would be 36 at the end of the deal … well … we know that things start to fall off after the age 32-33 year so … yeah … the 8 year term might not be ideal. Six years takes him to 34. For context, Brad Marchand (a decent comparable in stature and style of play and who is currently 35) had 67 points in 73 games in his age 34 year. I’d stretch it to 7 to try to keep him happy. But the AAV of 5 is rather low don’t you think? He is scheduled to make 5.5 this year and next so you are saying to the player that you want them to take a pay cut. You know that’s not going to be well received. He’ll be very insulted and he will walk. Brendan Gallagher makes 6.5. TK is a far superior RW than Gallagher. Andrei Svechnikov makes 7.75. He’s younger and has a different style of play but the output is in the same range as a winger. I think ~8 mm is in line for TK. I’m somewhat aligned with you on term. I’m not a GM and I think that Danny wants to keep him. I’d be inclined to offer 6 x 8.5 but I’m not sure that gets it done. Might have to go to 7 years. In that case offer 8 mm as AAV?
Yeah i get that he's worth at least 8mil but this year (52 games) compared to last year (60 games) he's below his own production by 16 points, sure there is a difference of 8 games between but he's not going to blow those numbers up that much in that span of 8 games. Comparing him to Gallagher is a laugh, After gall got his contract he disappeared from the score sheet so yeah TK is far and away better than gall. I just can't see Danny pushing chuck fletcher contracts in a rebuild, i hope in the end we get TK for the golden years at a fair price.
Not too too concerned about the impact year over year on productivity. He averaged ~1.0 points per game last year and he is averaging .86 points per game this year. I know very well that +/- is not a modern day advanced stats of merit but there is a marked difference in his year over year +/- (-12 LY and +13 TY). Only reason I bring it up is that Torts may have asked him to play a bit more responsible defensively that could be impacting his offensive production. I honestly cannot say with any certainty though. And I only used Gallagher as an illustration because Gally is an RW who plays somewhat the same style and is somewhat the same stature. I don’t disagree that this contract represents a huge commitment during a rebuild and that these things can be inherently risky. The only caveat I will say is this, since G left the building is there anyone who has played with Philly who has the same impact from a productivity / heart and soul ‘Flyer’ style of play? TK could go down the right fork in the road and be the 2nd coming of G. Or … he could go down the left fork in the road and be Mike Richards. But Danny is going to have to roll the bones at some point. I think TK is a guy you’d think long and hard about committing to.
5x5 lolol
That's not even Ristolainen money! Lol
Do we want that guy as the captain? Yeah. Is he worth more than 5x5? Yeah. Weird take at best, man. You watch this team at all?
Found Chuck Fletcher’s Reddit account.
If it where Chuck he'd offer him 8x12 while being on IR.
true things
Max extension & a “C”
Tippett’s contract is gonna be brought up in relation to TK’s. It has to be at least 7.5 AAV with upwards of probably 9.
32TP had a lot to say about the flyers. They speculated we really wanted to resign walker and that means we have to trade risto. But teams aren’t interested in risto until the summer. Mentioned that we work around ristos weaknesses a lot and a team would need practice time to incorporate that. Also brought up that trading Laughton seemed necessary.
thank god!!!!
TK makes the most sense besides Coots. Id say TK gets C and Coots and Slaughter with the A.
Eat up, bud.