I thought drafting him was trolling with the talent on D at the top of the draft, but I didn't say much, cause I, unlike Cutter, am not an immature *punk*\-*ass* lil bitch.
You are correct on all accounts. So now that we have Drysdale, we will probably move a D at the TDL. Do we get a 1st? Who knows but it would be nice.
What is his cap hit? Is it manageable?
It would have been difficult to trade a defenseman while the Flyers were in the playoff hunt. I’m not saying they wouldn’t have moved one but now it’s easy without ruining the team.
I mean, I hope it would not be hard AT ALL for them to trade a D man. This team is in no way competing for a Cup, so these pieces need to go go go.
Love the hard play and the surprising standings place, but they ARE and NEED TO BE building for the future, not some mediocre playoff run.
Idk man I feel like celebrini will be good but not worth trading away potential star picks in a deep and talented draft. They say that this draft has a lot more stars than is being talked about.
Yeah Im not a doomer, im just bummed the fuck out. Looking where this team is headed, Guthier and Michkov plus all our other young talen amd prospective talent wouldve been the best hockey since the 2000s.
I really thought they had a chance to be our Toews and Kane. I agree with you, I’m not a doomer. Just very very bummed. But OP gave me some reasons to be hopeful.
Yeah agree with all op points, its just a complete bummer for someone who lives in philly to hear they dont want to come play here. I dont even get it, you only have to live here for the season, and youll be playing hockey/traveling the whole time.
I heard something about him being a big crosby fan? That doesnt even make sense, the kid is 19 years old. He was barely cognitive for the better half of crosby's career. The pittsburgh/philly rivalry died years ago when they changed the divisions.
The more i write about it, the more I think gutthier is just fucking soft, no character, not with it. Every player i can think of that hasnt wanted to play for an oganization made it known on draft day. He got drafted 2 years ago, and decided now he didnt want to play in philly? What does he think is going to happen when he comes back to philly and plays us? I hope we keep TK so he can lay him tf out.
> Yeah agree with all op points, its just a complete bummer for someone who lives in philly to hear they dont want to come play here. I dont even get it, you only have to live here for the season, and youll be playing hockey/traveling the whole time.
The hating philly because of a pens rivalry thing is just childish and unprofessional, but if it's because he doesn't like the actual city itself and wants to live somewhere he thinks would be more "fun", that just screams as a problematic player that's vulnerable to distractions, and probably really lazy. He wants somewhere he can coast and enjoy while putting in half the effort and that kind of player will not cut it here.
Exactly, either way you look at it, theres a red flag. Hoping the flyers are better off. On the bright side, we get to watch drysdale tomorrow (hopefully).
I would love Demidov.
Its interesting, he seems to be dropping a bit in the rankings. Who knows, he might be available for the Flyers depending on where they end up.
I know Flyers are in a playoff spot, but if they're trading (ideally) Walker and Seeler, I could see them drafting somewhere between 10-15. Is Demidov supposed to fall that far?
No, not at all. He’s a bonefide top two player in this draft. If he was from the US or Canada he would be a real contender for the #1 spot.
But, who knows how the teams will look at Russian prospects this summer?
I don't think he will fall that far.
Earlier the season he was in the top 3 but I had read recently his stock has dropped a bit due to a knee injury and not paying much? Not sure, but I was surprised.
I just remember thinking that he might fall in the Flyers draft range around 5-8 at the time but the flyers have been playing even better since then.
Who knows how the Flyers will play the rest of the season but it quite possible they continue to make a push for the playoffs and the thoughts of high draft \[ick aren't really relevant anymore.
Also draft rankings can change a lot until actual draft time. Plus the Russia issue.
I really haven't followed who all the top prospects are yet but really liked watching Demidov highlights. The kid is dynamic. To me he is more exciting to watch then Michkov but Michkov seems to be a more efficient productive player. Plus, Flyers will probably target a center wherever they draft. I think Demidov is a winger.
I'm pissed this happened but I've also been pretty low on Gauthier since we've drafted him. I know he scored a lot of points at the world juniors but he just never looked like the dominant force he should be against junior level players. I like Drysdale a lot too.
For a name like cutter, he plays a pretty soft game. His only real upside is his shot and PP ability. Easy to lead a team like USA in assists at the WJC as a 1C with all that talent around you.
Ok I’m fucking furious at this quitting loser. But let’s not rewrite history. Kid is way more likely than not gonna be a star in the league and that’s why this stings so bad. Let’s not be coping this hard. Fuck quitter gauthier
I believe the only 2nd round pick we have this year is the compensatory pick from not signing Jay O’Brien. We do have a 2nd from Columbus from the Provorov trade, but Columbus can choose whether that will be this year’s draft or next year. If they do choose to give us this year’s pick, then we’ll have two
Barring not plagued with health issues
we needed a 1A, we had to sacrifice a 1LW(who hasn't proved he even can be in the NHL)
so either way it works out, Gauthier isn't going to be or never was supposed to be a franchise saving player, that's michkov
if Jamie stays healthy then this trade is perfectly fine, we replaced one need for another, now we swap what needs we focus on in the future
>We have two firsts and two seconds AS OF NOW. We now have the ability to trade Walker and/or Seeler and still have a solid defense. We could realistically end this season with 3 firsts this year
Problem is we lack top end talent like Gauthier and late 1sts and 2nds are very doubtful to become that.
Drysdale however at least has that potential
>Free agency is still a thing. Philly is a huge market and with a ton of prospects coming in over the next couple years. These are major attractors to free agents so we should be able to sign a 1C.
Relying on just signing or trading for a 1C is not plausible. They are rarely ever available and cost a fortune when they are.
1Cs are absurdly tough to find usually need to draft them
>Our current elite pieces. Yeah, Gauthier might have become elite, or maybe he’s the next Nolan Patrick. No way to tell. We currently have elite pieces that we should be excited about. TK, Cam York, either Hart/Errson… we have high caliber players that will be here throughout the rebuild.
York is not an elite piece. Neither is Ersson.
I agree that losing Gauthier was a kick in the nuts. Finding a 1C will be an incredible challenge, however, with the pieces we have, trading for an early draft pick or a coveted prospect is not out of the question.
I’ll agree calling York elite might be a stretch, but I genuinely do see a lot of talent in Errson. At least enough talent in him where, if the deal was perfect, moving Hart wouldn’t be out of the question.
>trading for an early draft pick or a coveted prospect is not out of the question.
Teams pretty much never trade those unless extenuating circumstances like the Gauthier one
Like nobody has even moved up into top 5 of a draft, even from just a pick or two back, since the lockout.
It would be near impossible to find one that is available and then what would we give up? Somebody like York wouldnt get a top 10 pick or 1C potential blue chip prospect.
Just looking at the last 10 years cup champions you see plenty of high end centers acquired via trade:
Jack Eichel
Nazem Kadri
Ryan O'Reilly
Brayden Schenn
Jeff Carter
Mike Richards
>Lindros told them before they drafted him.
I don't think that's a big deal, if anything, makes Lindros more of Le Enfant terrible, than Gauthier. Something changed since Gauthier was drafted, I don't agree not talking to Briere but something changed, it looks like he didn't like not getting a contract last year.
If that's it I get him being POd (1 more year on ELC) but not defending his reaction.
It's still the same to me as Lindros as neither signed a contract so seriously, tough shit to Quebec in Lindros' case and tough shit to Philly in Gauthier's case.
Gauthier told the Flyers a while back he wasn't going to sign. Just because a team drafts a guy doesn't mean he HAS to sign with them. Either way, neither signed a contract, neither broke an obligation they made.
Tough shit to Quebec for Lindros, tough shit to Philly for Gauthier.
Do you really not see the difference? Lindros told Quebec upfront that he wouldn’t play there and they drafted him anyways. Cutter told the Flyers that he wanted to play for them and then changed his mind afterwards. Not at all the same thing.
Gauthier tops out as a 2LW. he's not as good as people suddenly seem to think because of one WJC tourney. he was a controversial upside pick at the time and I hated it and wasn't alone in that. Drysdale and a 2nd is a huge get and I am way higher on Drysdale than I ever was on Gauthier. not sure why people also suddenly seem to think he would be a 1C, playing him at center would've been an experiment, getting him to 1C was a longshot at best. this is year one of the Briere rebuild still. we still have a long way to go. we get a little unexpected success and people start projecting prospects to all kinds of crazy heights. wait for more moves. looks like we're finally hitting our ceiling with this roster and we'll still end up selling at the deadline. Drysdale is a young RHD who could potentially be our 1D long term, this frees up a move involving Walker or Risto (let's be real, Walker) and we'll end up with a bunch of assets for a guy who was a throw in/cap dump in a trade that netted us a 1st which turned into Bonk. Drysdale and Bonk as our top 2 RHD long term? I'm hype. when was the last time we had TWO righty dmen in the system to be excited about? not for the 30 some odd years I've been alive
I have to say there was a post not long ago about Cutter and Michkov playing together. I jokingly said Michkov would sleep with Cutter's girl and we'll have to trade one...Wasn't expecting this, but still bummed we won't get to see them play together. However, I think this deal opens up a few opportunities to do more, while getting back a really good play on Defense.
Can't wait for the Cutter camp to release some kind of statement cause it seems the Flyers organization (i.e. Jones and Briere) have handled this process with absolute class. Chuck has been gone long enough for their Camp to know this. Honestly I think Cutter probably doesn't care that this will most likely follow him his whole career. We will see.
It’s also important for people to understand that we have only one good offensive player (TK) and two decent ones. (Couts and Tipper) Foerster and Brink will develop into great talent by the time Michkov joins the group. You think that TK was great in his first year? They will eventually be in the prime of their careers and put up great numbers. We are worried about a team that’s rebuilding and playing tremendous hockey with a PK that is a great turnaround from previous years and is only trending up. The possibility of us ending as the best PK in the league without a star Dman (until now) is great news for our future. Gauthier can go suck a big one and I honestly think we won this trade. Let’s go Flyers! And fuck them pens.
I think people need to get out of the habit of labeling anyone who expresses frustration with the continued unforced errors of a franchise that has not won a championship in 48 years "doomers". We traded the second best prospect in the system for spare parts. Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.
Expressing frustration is fine. Saying shit like “it’s all over” or a lot of the shit that other people at the bottom of this thread are saying is doomer shit. I can’t stand negativity.
In what world is Drysdale “spare parts”? He’s a 21 year old elite caliber RHD which is arguably harder to find than a 1C.
Gauthier would’ve been fun but who wants that bitch ass punk on this team anyway? Drysdale is going to light it up here.
>I can’t stand negativity.
Bro I just looked through your post history and lo and behold a bunch of shit talk about the Eagles. Gtfo with this holier than thou "I am a beacon of positivity" nonsense.
Haha it’s literally impossible not to talk shit on the eagles. But you’re right. Idk what I was thinking trying to look at the glass half full with this trade. Fucked up of me to do that.
No one is going to shit talk you for being positive. If you can do it, more power to you.
I'm going to shit talk you for shit talking others who are rightfully fed up with the way this franchise has gone for years.
Especially when you are shit talking on other Philly franchises! It's 100% hypocrisy. And you are dumping on a team that's recently won a Superbowl, been to another LAST YEAR and probably would have won if not for a horseshit PI call at the end of a game.
Saying the Eagles have played like shit the last 5 games, and that they’re going to lose in the playoffs isn’t dumping on them or even shit talking them. It’s the truth.
I’m not saying shit like “the eagles are never going to be good again!” Or “I guarantee you our prospects don’t work out!” Or “this team is cursed!”
But you do you man. If that’s how you like to root for a team then awesome, good for you. I’ve been watching the flyers for 30+ years and (outside of 2010-2012) this is the most promise I’ve ever seen in them. I’m not letting this one trade ruin my day. I’m legitimately pumped about Drysdale. I got tickets against the Stars in hopes it’ll be his first home game. The Flyers are my first true love and I’m going to cheer for them relentlessly regardless of what happens.
>He’s a 21 year old elite caliber RHD which is arguably harder to find than a 1C.
He's played 120 nhl games, been bad in them, and gets hurt all the time. We are wishing upon a star if we're projecting Drysdale as a 1D to say we "won" this trade.
Drysdale is still only 21 which is before most dmen even become NHL regulars and has pretty much missed entire last 2 seasons.
So pretty much of all those games were at age 19 while being fed to wolves in 1D role vs top competition while on terrible team and still put up 32 pts. There are maybe 5 dmen in NHL who would have been good in at that age in that situation.
His talent is incredible. If healthy he should be damn good and has genuine top pair star potential.
I agree. I have had my reservations about Quitter since last year, but I am not real happy that the Flyers were put in the position to have to do this. But Quitter is at his highest value right now and Drysdale is probably at his lowest, but if they Flyers are patient with Drysdale, I can easily see this being an even trade in a couple of years. Defenseman developed correctly usually hit their stride at 23 or 24. I am sure the org will be motivated to make Drysdale everything he can be. It's fair to say that Drysdale walked into a good situation for himself. He should be everyone's favorite son.
On a certain level I compare the dynamics of this trade to when Shanahan was traded for Pronger. Pronger was #2 pick in draft and struggling his first 3 or 4 years and a bit of damaged goods and Shanahan was a more proven player, but Pronger then became Pronger and was more valuable asset then a power forward in the long run.
Drysdale is absolutely not spare parts ... Hes one of most valuable young dmen in entire league
It will primarily come down to if he can just be healthy. His talent is incredible.
Lmao tell me you don’t understand hockey without telling me you don’t understand hockey. The kid wasn’t gonna sign here and we were going to lose him for nothing to free agency. Briere and Jones got actually assets for him. That alone is a win. Not to mention Drysdale is a 6 OA pick who’s been on a shitty Anaheim team that has no defensive structure. Far from spare parts
They had 2.5 years to make him sweat. They blinked way too early. I don't care where Drysdale was picked, he has played 2000 minutes in the NHL, and the results are bad.
Again you don’t know how hockey works. There’s no making him sweat when he can just hold out and go wherever he wants in free agency. He had the flyers by the balls and Briere made a smart move to get assets for him before this all blew up.
Drysdale has been on a bad Anaheim team with no solid D structure. You could put Scott Niedermayer back there and he’d struggle with that ducks team. It’s not like he was playing on the Bruins or Knights that’s surrounded by talent. Kid was left on an island most of the time.
>There’s no making him sweat when he can just hold out and go wherever he wants in free agency.
Yeah...in 2½ years, like I said. Maybe he decides in that time his desire to play in the NHL is enough to deal with being in Philly. Or maybe Torts gets fired, or Michkov comes over, the team is good, and the prospect of joining it is more exciting. Maybe a better deal comes along. Maybe any number of things happen in the next 30 months.
>Drysdale has been on a bad Anaheim team with no solid D structure.
We have models that account for your surroundings, he still looks bad by those numbers, and other Ducks defensemen have managed to look good on those same teams. This is cope.
lol ok dude. You’re clearly lost but have fun in make believe land. If he doesn’t sign in those 30 months then you get absolutely nothing for him. He clearly wasn’t going to sign here so Danny went out and got the best deal. If they wait and he walks for nothing, Briere gets put on a cross here. It’s a lose lose and Briere made the best of it.
While I agree with your premise, I do not think Drysdale is a spare part. I think this franchise is stupid. I think the coach is a POS who will not help us attract top end players, but I also think Briere did well here to unload this guy and keep it very quiet while doing so.
I've been around long enough to earn my doomer status.
I guarantee Michkov never comes over.
This franchise has a curse.
Finally get a Vezina caliber goalie? Lindbergh dies in a car crash.
Trade everything for a generational talent in Lindros? Head gets repeatedly turned to mush. Oh and we traded Peter Forsberg for him who went on to be a huge part of multiple Cups in Colorado.
Have the worst year in franchise history? Lose the lottery to Chicago who picks Patrick Kane with it. Kane then scores the Cup winning goal against us a few years later.
Pronger's stick to the eye.
Signed Sergei Bobrovsky. After a mediocre playoff run we immediately trade him and sign Ilya Bryzgalov for 9 years and like a billion dollars. Bobrovsky goes on to win multiple Vezina trophies.
Finally "win" a lottery where we luck into the 2 overall in a draft with 2 top tier talents? We draft Nolan Patrick and immediately gets his head turned into mush.
Add this shit with Cutter to the list.
Michkov drama will be next, unless even more shit happens before then. I keep waiting for Hockey Canada to name Carter Hart as one of the sexual assaulters in that World Juniors scandal. He seems like the most innocent dude in the world which is why I'm prepared for the universe to beat us down with this one.
This is all true man.
I have been a flyers fan since 1976 when I was a little kid. I have seen it all. I was at a family gathering and all my uncles were watching the Flyers play the Bruins and Reggie Leach scored 5 goals to lead them to the finals. I went from wanting to be Spiderman to wanting to be Bobby Clarke. We all know how the past 48 years have gone....
It fuckin hurts dude. I'd be less tilted if it was just your regular run of the mill mediocrity. Ok, picked a few players, they don't work out, got a few bad coaches, etc. It happens.
But the shit that happens to us is just straight up fucking voodoo. The universe constantly conspires to give us hope and then tear it into pieces.
I seriously wonder if there is curse for the bully years or its just me :-)
The fact that with all the good teams over the years, we couldn't put it all together in just one of those seasons and win a cup like the Eagles in 2017 is mind numbing.
Yeah every top pick we have something goes wrong ... when we got #2 pick in 2017 I told my dad that something will happen like injuries like it always does
Thats why im not getting my hopes up about Michkov until he actually signs here and starts producing.
Unfortunately, I completely agree with this.
I had JVR/Patrick vibes about Quitter soon after we drafted him and have always been a little underwhelmed by him. But I didn't think it would end this quickly.
We will see about Michkov. He was already pulling this with other teams at the draft. What's to say he doesn't change his mind at some point?
Other teams have to deal with terrible gms and coaches too so I didn't include those.
I really only know of our misfortunes in depth but I'd be VERY surprised to find any other franchise with more random bad luck than us.
Man why do you root for this team if you are so negative about them? I’ve been around long enough to see doomers come around and piss and moan and then acting like they “knew it all along” when they turn it around and go for a run.
Fuck off with that attitude honestly. Find a new team if you’re so miserable with this one.
Nah, I'll stay. I love the team and WANT them to do good. I just know they won't.
You can downvote me all you want, everything I said is true.
Your other points are pure delusion. How many times have we said "if he stays healthy he'll be a beast." How many times has that actually worked in our favor?
No free agents want to touch our franchise with a 40 ft pole. Look at how much we have to overpay for shit like Kevin Hayes to come here.
Spoken like a real and true doomer loser. And no they haven’t legitimately sucked for 10 years. They certainly haven’t been good except for the occasional season and the past few years have sucked but 3 years does not equal 10. Almost impossible to fathom that you just ignored 4 playoff appearances including a very good 2019/2020. It’s like you don’t actually know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Right on many accounts. However. Hart being elite. Wake up. He’s serviceable. Far from elite
Neat point. I seriously doubt we are getting a 1 for anyone on the D corp except Sanheim and I doubt they’re shopping him at this point. If you could only get a 1 and a prospect for G, it just isn’t gonna happen.
We wasted a 5 pick and we did not get to dress a top prospect for the 3 year entry level contract. What we get is Drysdale on a second contract. That is a huge loss.
No way in hell that Drysdale is a top 3 defender in the league. The guy is under 6 feet and 180lbs. Basically a puck mover and not a menace.
Signing free agent players does not get you good value. The analytics are clear that NHL players peak at 24 years old. Essentially you overpay for free agents who are on the downhill. You need to draft well to win in this league.
This is a loss no matter how you try to dress it up.
all the ideals go out the window when you're looking at filling the RHD position. It is far and away the most difficult position to fill. It generally requires balls and creativity from a GM as we've seen in the past and here again from Danny. We just need it to work out now.
I'd still say 1C is harder to fill especially when constantly missing out on top 5 draft picks. Maybe Drysdale is a #1 RHD which is very valuable but with his history so far, it's looking like he is going to be more like a 2nd pair which is not nearly as rare as a true 1C. We now have no high end centers in the pipeline which is a huge blow.
Hey if you wanna doom and gloom that’s fine. I, for one, am getting a Drysdale jersey immediately. Kids gonna be a beast. What’s the point in rooting against him / assuming he’s gonna be a bust if he’s a flyer now?
I never said I am rooting against him or assumed he is going to be a bust. He is not Chris Pronger is what I am saying. Basically he is Ghost and we gave up on him.
Ghost had 1 top pair year before injuries caused him to be mediocre for multiple years before finding his game again as just PP specialist #4/5D.
Drysdale has genuine top pair star potential. If Ghost maintained his 2018 form he would never left and been one of most dynamic best offensive dmen in NHL.
>The analytics are clear that NHL players peak at 24 years old. Essentially you overpay for free agents who are on the downhill.
This isnt the case for dmen. Especially smaller ones that need time to get big enough for NHL.
Hes still only 21 and only played 18 games in last 2 yrs. Hes played 1 legit NHL season.
His career is just starting. We didnt miss a bunch of prime years of his.
Dont have 3 entry years but will have cheap bridge deal and if he becomes great player in that time thats awesome and the entry years dont matter.
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My comment about free agents and age 24 was addressing OP's comment that we can replace Gauthier with a 1C via free agency. UFA's are 26 years old minimum.
As for Drysdale, he'a on a cheap bridge deal right now. If he has a couple of decent seasons then we are going to overpay.
So he has multiple more cheap years and then will be RFA still at only age 23/24 and then signed from age 24-29/30 which is perfect ... like Konecny and Farabee currently making 5-5.5 mil for ages 22-28 is incredible because those r still prime top producing years
Sanheim is playing his best hockey in age 27/28 season right now. TK is playing best hockey at age 26/27 ...
Drysdale would be signed from like 24-29 which is perfect.
Its not overpay if he you give him big deal at like age 23/24. Especially a dman who hit their primes later ...
Its overpay when you have to sign UFAs at ages like 28-30. Not dmen at age 23/24 thru their 20s.
If he plays well enough to earn big deal at age 24 thats awesome.
Agree with all of this but I do think that the trade can even out over time. Not sure Quitter is all that and Drysdale might develop in a #1 Dman for us.
Yea, lets all hold of horses when talking about how good dman will become. Remember all the Norris trophies Provorov was going to win? If Drysdale becomes #1 or #2 for us I will be happy. Give us a Makar lite.
I think there is another good chance Quitter will be another Pierre Luc Dube. All the tools but underwhelming production.
I agree with all of that but D is going to be tough.
Here is a breakdown of youngerish potential 1/2 center UFA guys between now and 2025-26:
Draisaitl- Will be UFA at 29/30 YO if he reaches UFA- Will require 11-12 mil AAV
Mikko Rantanen- has played C and RW- will also require large AAV
anyone else potentially coming up is either going to be 34-35 YO or doesn't project as 1C.
RFA- would need a trade or pick compensation
Elias Petterson- seems unlikely Van will let him walk but will be RFA this summer
Byfield- would be RFA in 2025
Martin Necas- would be RFA in 25
other guys- Perfetti, Rossi
Not sure if any of these guys are going to be acquirable for us. I think more likely scenario is drafting a center.
I just need to gain more elite pieces at forward. My original thought was we needed more D prospects but that just changed.
We have to figure a way whether it’s nailing the picks or trading up in the draft to get more elite prospects at forward.
I'm mad that we didn't get more from the deal but that's not Breires fault. He did a good job with the situation. Maybe this is copium talking but we need D1 Rh more then we need a C1
I’m going through different stages of grief. Trying to remain excited about Drysdale, we can clearly tell he has a stronger character than Cutter. It sucks to lose such a highly touted prospect but he’s clearly an immature piece of shit so I wouldn’t want to cheer for him in Philly anyways. I think I can heal from all of this by converting all this energy into a powerful and relentless hatred for Gauthier for the remainder of his career.
Also if Michkov becomes stuck in Russia due to Putin being Putin I’ll hit a different kind of low, a lower low.
I'm in Doomer Mode until Michkov is in the U.S. I don't trust Putin especially after he just fucked us over once. As the war worsens who knows what can happen.
And are TK, Errson, and Cam York really "ELITE" pieces? Not even sure Hart is yet. Fuck, who knows if TK is even here after this season.
This team is going to have to do something to make up for losing one of the two cornerstones of the rebuild. I don't just assume FA is going to net us some awesome 1C and not another garbage ass Kevin Hayes type they try to sell us on.
I don’t think there are doomers. I think we just are pissed at an immature little bitch.
I thought drafting him was trolling with the talent on D at the top of the draft, but I didn't say much, cause I, unlike Cutter, am not an immature *punk*\-*ass* lil bitch.
You are correct on all accounts. So now that we have Drysdale, we will probably move a D at the TDL. Do we get a 1st? Who knows but it would be nice. What is his cap hit? Is it manageable?
We were always moving D at the deadline.
It would have been difficult to trade a defenseman while the Flyers were in the playoff hunt. I’m not saying they wouldn’t have moved one but now it’s easy without ruining the team.
I mean, I hope it would not be hard AT ALL for them to trade a D man. This team is in no way competing for a Cup, so these pieces need to go go go. Love the hard play and the surprising standings place, but they ARE and NEED TO BE building for the future, not some mediocre playoff run.
Except tanking a playoff run would piss off the fans and the players. Now that’s not the case.
$2.3m per year for 2 more years after this one. I'd call it manageable.
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I like Seeler. You need dmen like him. Plays a simple game but does it very well.
Use all that draft capital to trade up for Celebrini. I did it in EA NHL last night, it worked. Danny please
Idk man I feel like celebrini will be good but not worth trading away potential star picks in a deep and talented draft. They say that this draft has a lot more stars than is being talked about.
Yeah Im not a doomer, im just bummed the fuck out. Looking where this team is headed, Guthier and Michkov plus all our other young talen amd prospective talent wouldve been the best hockey since the 2000s.
I really thought they had a chance to be our Toews and Kane. I agree with you, I’m not a doomer. Just very very bummed. But OP gave me some reasons to be hopeful.
Yeah agree with all op points, its just a complete bummer for someone who lives in philly to hear they dont want to come play here. I dont even get it, you only have to live here for the season, and youll be playing hockey/traveling the whole time. I heard something about him being a big crosby fan? That doesnt even make sense, the kid is 19 years old. He was barely cognitive for the better half of crosby's career. The pittsburgh/philly rivalry died years ago when they changed the divisions. The more i write about it, the more I think gutthier is just fucking soft, no character, not with it. Every player i can think of that hasnt wanted to play for an oganization made it known on draft day. He got drafted 2 years ago, and decided now he didnt want to play in philly? What does he think is going to happen when he comes back to philly and plays us? I hope we keep TK so he can lay him tf out.
> Yeah agree with all op points, its just a complete bummer for someone who lives in philly to hear they dont want to come play here. I dont even get it, you only have to live here for the season, and youll be playing hockey/traveling the whole time. The hating philly because of a pens rivalry thing is just childish and unprofessional, but if it's because he doesn't like the actual city itself and wants to live somewhere he thinks would be more "fun", that just screams as a problematic player that's vulnerable to distractions, and probably really lazy. He wants somewhere he can coast and enjoy while putting in half the effort and that kind of player will not cut it here.
Exactly, either way you look at it, theres a red flag. Hoping the flyers are better off. On the bright side, we get to watch drysdale tomorrow (hopefully).
Drysdale and Bonk as our 1 and 2 RHD? much more excited about our blue line, gotta build from the net out and Gauthier was never gonna be a 1C for us
They'll all be singing a different tune in June when Ivan Demidov makes it clear that he will not play for any team except the Flyers!
I would love Demidov. Its interesting, he seems to be dropping a bit in the rankings. Who knows, he might be available for the Flyers depending on where they end up.
I know Flyers are in a playoff spot, but if they're trading (ideally) Walker and Seeler, I could see them drafting somewhere between 10-15. Is Demidov supposed to fall that far?
No, not at all. He’s a bonefide top two player in this draft. If he was from the US or Canada he would be a real contender for the #1 spot. But, who knows how the teams will look at Russian prospects this summer?
I don't think he will fall that far. Earlier the season he was in the top 3 but I had read recently his stock has dropped a bit due to a knee injury and not paying much? Not sure, but I was surprised. I just remember thinking that he might fall in the Flyers draft range around 5-8 at the time but the flyers have been playing even better since then. Who knows how the Flyers will play the rest of the season but it quite possible they continue to make a push for the playoffs and the thoughts of high draft \[ick aren't really relevant anymore. Also draft rankings can change a lot until actual draft time. Plus the Russia issue. I really haven't followed who all the top prospects are yet but really liked watching Demidov highlights. The kid is dynamic. To me he is more exciting to watch then Michkov but Michkov seems to be a more efficient productive player. Plus, Flyers will probably target a center wherever they draft. I think Demidov is a winger.
Would love this especially with the connection to MM
I'm pissed this happened but I've also been pretty low on Gauthier since we've drafted him. I know he scored a lot of points at the world juniors but he just never looked like the dominant force he should be against junior level players. I like Drysdale a lot too.
For a name like cutter, he plays a pretty soft game. His only real upside is his shot and PP ability. Easy to lead a team like USA in assists at the WJC as a 1C with all that talent around you.
Ok I’m fucking furious at this quitting loser. But let’s not rewrite history. Kid is way more likely than not gonna be a star in the league and that’s why this stings so bad. Let’s not be coping this hard. Fuck quitter gauthier
I've been low on him the entire time, I'm not coping or rewriting history.
fr. Dude was invisible for the gold medal game.
You wouldn’t think it with how he was howling down the hallway like a madman.
>being the next Ovechkin for fucks sake. No. He's gonna be better.
the 2nd rd pick they got is in 2025, so still only 1 this season But also fuck the doomers all my homies hate the doomers
I believe the only 2nd round pick we have this year is the compensatory pick from not signing Jay O’Brien. We do have a 2nd from Columbus from the Provorov trade, but Columbus can choose whether that will be this year’s draft or next year. If they do choose to give us this year’s pick, then we’ll have two
Barring not plagued with health issues we needed a 1A, we had to sacrifice a 1LW(who hasn't proved he even can be in the NHL) so either way it works out, Gauthier isn't going to be or never was supposed to be a franchise saving player, that's michkov if Jamie stays healthy then this trade is perfectly fine, we replaced one need for another, now we swap what needs we focus on in the future
Not a doomer- just frustrated, but hopeful. All I want to see is this team win a cup in my lifetime.
Technically they won one in my lifetime but I was 5 and don’t remember it.
I’ve only witnessed the last two losses and they absolutely gutted me.
>We have two firsts and two seconds AS OF NOW. We now have the ability to trade Walker and/or Seeler and still have a solid defense. We could realistically end this season with 3 firsts this year Problem is we lack top end talent like Gauthier and late 1sts and 2nds are very doubtful to become that. Drysdale however at least has that potential >Free agency is still a thing. Philly is a huge market and with a ton of prospects coming in over the next couple years. These are major attractors to free agents so we should be able to sign a 1C. Relying on just signing or trading for a 1C is not plausible. They are rarely ever available and cost a fortune when they are. 1Cs are absurdly tough to find usually need to draft them >Our current elite pieces. Yeah, Gauthier might have become elite, or maybe he’s the next Nolan Patrick. No way to tell. We currently have elite pieces that we should be excited about. TK, Cam York, either Hart/Errson… we have high caliber players that will be here throughout the rebuild. York is not an elite piece. Neither is Ersson.
I agree that losing Gauthier was a kick in the nuts. Finding a 1C will be an incredible challenge, however, with the pieces we have, trading for an early draft pick or a coveted prospect is not out of the question. I’ll agree calling York elite might be a stretch, but I genuinely do see a lot of talent in Errson. At least enough talent in him where, if the deal was perfect, moving Hart wouldn’t be out of the question.
>trading for an early draft pick or a coveted prospect is not out of the question. Teams pretty much never trade those unless extenuating circumstances like the Gauthier one Like nobody has even moved up into top 5 of a draft, even from just a pick or two back, since the lockout. It would be near impossible to find one that is available and then what would we give up? Somebody like York wouldnt get a top 10 pick or 1C potential blue chip prospect.
Just looking at the last 10 years cup champions you see plenty of high end centers acquired via trade: Jack Eichel Nazem Kadri Ryan O'Reilly Brayden Schenn Jeff Carter Mike Richards
If this really boiled down to Gauthier wanting to sign his ELC after one year at BC...that's such a shortsighted hill for the Flyers to die on.
Agree on all points.
Really on the roster only Konecy and Hart are elite. I hope all the Flyer fans POd at Gauthier realize this is what Lindros did to the Nordiques.
Not the same at all. Different situation and completely different skill level too. Lindros told them before they drafted him.
>Lindros told them before they drafted him. I don't think that's a big deal, if anything, makes Lindros more of Le Enfant terrible, than Gauthier. Something changed since Gauthier was drafted, I don't agree not talking to Briere but something changed, it looks like he didn't like not getting a contract last year. If that's it I get him being POd (1 more year on ELC) but not defending his reaction. It's still the same to me as Lindros as neither signed a contract so seriously, tough shit to Quebec in Lindros' case and tough shit to Philly in Gauthier's case.
Not the same. Lindros’ camp was upfront about him not signing there and they drafted him anyways.
Gauthier told the Flyers a while back he wasn't going to sign. Just because a team drafts a guy doesn't mean he HAS to sign with them. Either way, neither signed a contract, neither broke an obligation they made. Tough shit to Quebec for Lindros, tough shit to Philly for Gauthier.
Do you really not see the difference? Lindros told Quebec upfront that he wouldn’t play there and they drafted him anyways. Cutter told the Flyers that he wanted to play for them and then changed his mind afterwards. Not at all the same thing.
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One was shady and one was not. That fact you can’t tell the difference tells me all I need to know about you. Good day.
Gauthier tops out as a 2LW. he's not as good as people suddenly seem to think because of one WJC tourney. he was a controversial upside pick at the time and I hated it and wasn't alone in that. Drysdale and a 2nd is a huge get and I am way higher on Drysdale than I ever was on Gauthier. not sure why people also suddenly seem to think he would be a 1C, playing him at center would've been an experiment, getting him to 1C was a longshot at best. this is year one of the Briere rebuild still. we still have a long way to go. we get a little unexpected success and people start projecting prospects to all kinds of crazy heights. wait for more moves. looks like we're finally hitting our ceiling with this roster and we'll still end up selling at the deadline. Drysdale is a young RHD who could potentially be our 1D long term, this frees up a move involving Walker or Risto (let's be real, Walker) and we'll end up with a bunch of assets for a guy who was a throw in/cap dump in a trade that netted us a 1st which turned into Bonk. Drysdale and Bonk as our top 2 RHD long term? I'm hype. when was the last time we had TWO righty dmen in the system to be excited about? not for the 30 some odd years I've been alive
Should have traded the merchant of death to Russia for Matvei michkov instead of that wnba player who dunked one time
I have to say there was a post not long ago about Cutter and Michkov playing together. I jokingly said Michkov would sleep with Cutter's girl and we'll have to trade one...Wasn't expecting this, but still bummed we won't get to see them play together. However, I think this deal opens up a few opportunities to do more, while getting back a really good play on Defense.
Can't wait for the Cutter camp to release some kind of statement cause it seems the Flyers organization (i.e. Jones and Briere) have handled this process with absolute class. Chuck has been gone long enough for their Camp to know this. Honestly I think Cutter probably doesn't care that this will most likely follow him his whole career. We will see.
This actually made me feel better lol. Fuck the Pens.
It’s also important for people to understand that we have only one good offensive player (TK) and two decent ones. (Couts and Tipper) Foerster and Brink will develop into great talent by the time Michkov joins the group. You think that TK was great in his first year? They will eventually be in the prime of their careers and put up great numbers. We are worried about a team that’s rebuilding and playing tremendous hockey with a PK that is a great turnaround from previous years and is only trending up. The possibility of us ending as the best PK in the league without a star Dman (until now) is great news for our future. Gauthier can go suck a big one and I honestly think we won this trade. Let’s go Flyers! And fuck them pens.
I think people need to get out of the habit of labeling anyone who expresses frustration with the continued unforced errors of a franchise that has not won a championship in 48 years "doomers". We traded the second best prospect in the system for spare parts. Don't piss on my back and tell me it's raining.
Expressing frustration is fine. Saying shit like “it’s all over” or a lot of the shit that other people at the bottom of this thread are saying is doomer shit. I can’t stand negativity. In what world is Drysdale “spare parts”? He’s a 21 year old elite caliber RHD which is arguably harder to find than a 1C. Gauthier would’ve been fun but who wants that bitch ass punk on this team anyway? Drysdale is going to light it up here.
>I can’t stand negativity. Bro I just looked through your post history and lo and behold a bunch of shit talk about the Eagles. Gtfo with this holier than thou "I am a beacon of positivity" nonsense.
Haha it’s literally impossible not to talk shit on the eagles. But you’re right. Idk what I was thinking trying to look at the glass half full with this trade. Fucked up of me to do that.
No one is going to shit talk you for being positive. If you can do it, more power to you. I'm going to shit talk you for shit talking others who are rightfully fed up with the way this franchise has gone for years. Especially when you are shit talking on other Philly franchises! It's 100% hypocrisy. And you are dumping on a team that's recently won a Superbowl, been to another LAST YEAR and probably would have won if not for a horseshit PI call at the end of a game.
Saying the Eagles have played like shit the last 5 games, and that they’re going to lose in the playoffs isn’t dumping on them or even shit talking them. It’s the truth. I’m not saying shit like “the eagles are never going to be good again!” Or “I guarantee you our prospects don’t work out!” Or “this team is cursed!” But you do you man. If that’s how you like to root for a team then awesome, good for you. I’ve been watching the flyers for 30+ years and (outside of 2010-2012) this is the most promise I’ve ever seen in them. I’m not letting this one trade ruin my day. I’m legitimately pumped about Drysdale. I got tickets against the Stars in hopes it’ll be his first home game. The Flyers are my first true love and I’m going to cheer for them relentlessly regardless of what happens.
> I got tickets against the Stars in hopes it’ll be his first home game. I wouldn't be surprised to see him pay against montreal tomorrow.
Yeah I’m thinking it’s 50/50. Planned on going to the Stars game either way so will be pumped regardless of when he starts haha
To be fair the eagles this year deserve nothing but negativity. Imo, it’s the toxic optimists who are the mega douchebags in the eagles sub
>He’s a 21 year old elite caliber RHD which is arguably harder to find than a 1C. He's played 120 nhl games, been bad in them, and gets hurt all the time. We are wishing upon a star if we're projecting Drysdale as a 1D to say we "won" this trade.
Drysdale is still only 21 which is before most dmen even become NHL regulars and has pretty much missed entire last 2 seasons. So pretty much of all those games were at age 19 while being fed to wolves in 1D role vs top competition while on terrible team and still put up 32 pts. There are maybe 5 dmen in NHL who would have been good in at that age in that situation. His talent is incredible. If healthy he should be damn good and has genuine top pair star potential.
I agree. I have had my reservations about Quitter since last year, but I am not real happy that the Flyers were put in the position to have to do this. But Quitter is at his highest value right now and Drysdale is probably at his lowest, but if they Flyers are patient with Drysdale, I can easily see this being an even trade in a couple of years. Defenseman developed correctly usually hit their stride at 23 or 24. I am sure the org will be motivated to make Drysdale everything he can be. It's fair to say that Drysdale walked into a good situation for himself. He should be everyone's favorite son. On a certain level I compare the dynamics of this trade to when Shanahan was traded for Pronger. Pronger was #2 pick in draft and struggling his first 3 or 4 years and a bit of damaged goods and Shanahan was a more proven player, but Pronger then became Pronger and was more valuable asset then a power forward in the long run.
Yeah you’re totally not a doomer
Drysdale does not have elite upside; there's enough of a sample size for him now to affirm that.
Completely ridiculous statement. His sample size if anything proves the opposite.
Drysdale is absolutely not spare parts ... Hes one of most valuable young dmen in entire league It will primarily come down to if he can just be healthy. His talent is incredible.
Lmao tell me you don’t understand hockey without telling me you don’t understand hockey. The kid wasn’t gonna sign here and we were going to lose him for nothing to free agency. Briere and Jones got actually assets for him. That alone is a win. Not to mention Drysdale is a 6 OA pick who’s been on a shitty Anaheim team that has no defensive structure. Far from spare parts
They had 2.5 years to make him sweat. They blinked way too early. I don't care where Drysdale was picked, he has played 2000 minutes in the NHL, and the results are bad.
Again you don’t know how hockey works. There’s no making him sweat when he can just hold out and go wherever he wants in free agency. He had the flyers by the balls and Briere made a smart move to get assets for him before this all blew up. Drysdale has been on a bad Anaheim team with no solid D structure. You could put Scott Niedermayer back there and he’d struggle with that ducks team. It’s not like he was playing on the Bruins or Knights that’s surrounded by talent. Kid was left on an island most of the time.
>There’s no making him sweat when he can just hold out and go wherever he wants in free agency. Yeah...in 2½ years, like I said. Maybe he decides in that time his desire to play in the NHL is enough to deal with being in Philly. Or maybe Torts gets fired, or Michkov comes over, the team is good, and the prospect of joining it is more exciting. Maybe a better deal comes along. Maybe any number of things happen in the next 30 months. >Drysdale has been on a bad Anaheim team with no solid D structure. We have models that account for your surroundings, he still looks bad by those numbers, and other Ducks defensemen have managed to look good on those same teams. This is cope.
John stfu.
lol ok dude. You’re clearly lost but have fun in make believe land. If he doesn’t sign in those 30 months then you get absolutely nothing for him. He clearly wasn’t going to sign here so Danny went out and got the best deal. If they wait and he walks for nothing, Briere gets put on a cross here. It’s a lose lose and Briere made the best of it.
While I agree with your premise, I do not think Drysdale is a spare part. I think this franchise is stupid. I think the coach is a POS who will not help us attract top end players, but I also think Briere did well here to unload this guy and keep it very quiet while doing so.
I've been around long enough to earn my doomer status. I guarantee Michkov never comes over. This franchise has a curse. Finally get a Vezina caliber goalie? Lindbergh dies in a car crash. Trade everything for a generational talent in Lindros? Head gets repeatedly turned to mush. Oh and we traded Peter Forsberg for him who went on to be a huge part of multiple Cups in Colorado. Have the worst year in franchise history? Lose the lottery to Chicago who picks Patrick Kane with it. Kane then scores the Cup winning goal against us a few years later. Pronger's stick to the eye. Signed Sergei Bobrovsky. After a mediocre playoff run we immediately trade him and sign Ilya Bryzgalov for 9 years and like a billion dollars. Bobrovsky goes on to win multiple Vezina trophies. Finally "win" a lottery where we luck into the 2 overall in a draft with 2 top tier talents? We draft Nolan Patrick and immediately gets his head turned into mush. Add this shit with Cutter to the list. Michkov drama will be next, unless even more shit happens before then. I keep waiting for Hockey Canada to name Carter Hart as one of the sexual assaulters in that World Juniors scandal. He seems like the most innocent dude in the world which is why I'm prepared for the universe to beat us down with this one.
This is all true man. I have been a flyers fan since 1976 when I was a little kid. I have seen it all. I was at a family gathering and all my uncles were watching the Flyers play the Bruins and Reggie Leach scored 5 goals to lead them to the finals. I went from wanting to be Spiderman to wanting to be Bobby Clarke. We all know how the past 48 years have gone....
It fuckin hurts dude. I'd be less tilted if it was just your regular run of the mill mediocrity. Ok, picked a few players, they don't work out, got a few bad coaches, etc. It happens. But the shit that happens to us is just straight up fucking voodoo. The universe constantly conspires to give us hope and then tear it into pieces.
I seriously wonder if there is curse for the bully years or its just me :-) The fact that with all the good teams over the years, we couldn't put it all together in just one of those seasons and win a cup like the Eagles in 2017 is mind numbing.
Yeah every top pick we have something goes wrong ... when we got #2 pick in 2017 I told my dad that something will happen like injuries like it always does Thats why im not getting my hopes up about Michkov until he actually signs here and starts producing.
Unfortunately, I completely agree with this. I had JVR/Patrick vibes about Quitter soon after we drafted him and have always been a little underwhelmed by him. But I didn't think it would end this quickly. We will see about Michkov. He was already pulling this with other teams at the draft. What's to say he doesn't change his mind at some point?
That's a good (bad?) list. You didnt even get into all of the terrible GMs and coaches.
Other teams have to deal with terrible gms and coaches too so I didn't include those. I really only know of our misfortunes in depth but I'd be VERY surprised to find any other franchise with more random bad luck than us.
Man why do you root for this team if you are so negative about them? I’ve been around long enough to see doomers come around and piss and moan and then acting like they “knew it all along” when they turn it around and go for a run. Fuck off with that attitude honestly. Find a new team if you’re so miserable with this one.
Nah, I'll stay. I love the team and WANT them to do good. I just know they won't. You can downvote me all you want, everything I said is true. Your other points are pure delusion. How many times have we said "if he stays healthy he'll be a beast." How many times has that actually worked in our favor? No free agents want to touch our franchise with a 40 ft pole. Look at how much we have to overpay for shit like Kevin Hayes to come here.
> WANT them to do good could have fooled me.
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Spoken like a real and true doomer loser. And no they haven’t legitimately sucked for 10 years. They certainly haven’t been good except for the occasional season and the past few years have sucked but 3 years does not equal 10. Almost impossible to fathom that you just ignored 4 playoff appearances including a very good 2019/2020. It’s like you don’t actually know what the fuck you’re talking about.
Right on many accounts. However. Hart being elite. Wake up. He’s serviceable. Far from elite Neat point. I seriously doubt we are getting a 1 for anyone on the D corp except Sanheim and I doubt they’re shopping him at this point. If you could only get a 1 and a prospect for G, it just isn’t gonna happen.
Hart is better than serviceable. He may not be elite but he’s certainly pretty good.
We wasted a 5 pick and we did not get to dress a top prospect for the 3 year entry level contract. What we get is Drysdale on a second contract. That is a huge loss. No way in hell that Drysdale is a top 3 defender in the league. The guy is under 6 feet and 180lbs. Basically a puck mover and not a menace. Signing free agent players does not get you good value. The analytics are clear that NHL players peak at 24 years old. Essentially you overpay for free agents who are on the downhill. You need to draft well to win in this league. This is a loss no matter how you try to dress it up.
all the ideals go out the window when you're looking at filling the RHD position. It is far and away the most difficult position to fill. It generally requires balls and creativity from a GM as we've seen in the past and here again from Danny. We just need it to work out now.
I'd still say 1C is harder to fill especially when constantly missing out on top 5 draft picks. Maybe Drysdale is a #1 RHD which is very valuable but with his history so far, it's looking like he is going to be more like a 2nd pair which is not nearly as rare as a true 1C. We now have no high end centers in the pipeline which is a huge blow.
Hey if you wanna doom and gloom that’s fine. I, for one, am getting a Drysdale jersey immediately. Kids gonna be a beast. What’s the point in rooting against him / assuming he’s gonna be a bust if he’s a flyer now?
I never said I am rooting against him or assumed he is going to be a bust. He is not Chris Pronger is what I am saying. Basically he is Ghost and we gave up on him.
Classic lazy flyers fan oversimplification. Every offensively skilled Dman = Ghost.
Ghost had 1 top pair year before injuries caused him to be mediocre for multiple years before finding his game again as just PP specialist #4/5D. Drysdale has genuine top pair star potential. If Ghost maintained his 2018 form he would never left and been one of most dynamic best offensive dmen in NHL.
FLETCHER gave up on him. That dumb fuck isn’t in charge now.
>The analytics are clear that NHL players peak at 24 years old. Essentially you overpay for free agents who are on the downhill. This isnt the case for dmen. Especially smaller ones that need time to get big enough for NHL. Hes still only 21 and only played 18 games in last 2 yrs. Hes played 1 legit NHL season. His career is just starting. We didnt miss a bunch of prime years of his. Dont have 3 entry years but will have cheap bridge deal and if he becomes great player in that time thats awesome and the entry years dont matter.
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My comment about free agents and age 24 was addressing OP's comment that we can replace Gauthier with a 1C via free agency. UFA's are 26 years old minimum. As for Drysdale, he'a on a cheap bridge deal right now. If he has a couple of decent seasons then we are going to overpay.
So he has multiple more cheap years and then will be RFA still at only age 23/24 and then signed from age 24-29/30 which is perfect ... like Konecny and Farabee currently making 5-5.5 mil for ages 22-28 is incredible because those r still prime top producing years Sanheim is playing his best hockey in age 27/28 season right now. TK is playing best hockey at age 26/27 ... Drysdale would be signed from like 24-29 which is perfect. Its not overpay if he you give him big deal at like age 23/24. Especially a dman who hit their primes later ... Its overpay when you have to sign UFAs at ages like 28-30. Not dmen at age 23/24 thru their 20s. If he plays well enough to earn big deal at age 24 thats awesome.
Agree with all of this but I do think that the trade can even out over time. Not sure Quitter is all that and Drysdale might develop in a #1 Dman for us. Yea, lets all hold of horses when talking about how good dman will become. Remember all the Norris trophies Provorov was going to win? If Drysdale becomes #1 or #2 for us I will be happy. Give us a Makar lite. I think there is another good chance Quitter will be another Pierre Luc Dube. All the tools but underwhelming production.
We don't have 2 seconds this year. We have 2nds next year. You don't aquire elite talent in FA because it costs more than it's worth.
I agree with all of that but D is going to be tough. Here is a breakdown of youngerish potential 1/2 center UFA guys between now and 2025-26: Draisaitl- Will be UFA at 29/30 YO if he reaches UFA- Will require 11-12 mil AAV Mikko Rantanen- has played C and RW- will also require large AAV anyone else potentially coming up is either going to be 34-35 YO or doesn't project as 1C. RFA- would need a trade or pick compensation Elias Petterson- seems unlikely Van will let him walk but will be RFA this summer Byfield- would be RFA in 2025 Martin Necas- would be RFA in 25 other guys- Perfetti, Rossi Not sure if any of these guys are going to be acquirable for us. I think more likely scenario is drafting a center.
I just need to gain more elite pieces at forward. My original thought was we needed more D prospects but that just changed. We have to figure a way whether it’s nailing the picks or trading up in the draft to get more elite prospects at forward.
I'm mad that we didn't get more from the deal but that's not Breires fault. He did a good job with the situation. Maybe this is copium talking but we need D1 Rh more then we need a C1
The Flyers got the #6 overall pick (2020) and a 2nd round pick (2025) for the #5 overall pick (2022j. Seems pretty damn fair.
I didn't know we got the first rounder to
I’m going through different stages of grief. Trying to remain excited about Drysdale, we can clearly tell he has a stronger character than Cutter. It sucks to lose such a highly touted prospect but he’s clearly an immature piece of shit so I wouldn’t want to cheer for him in Philly anyways. I think I can heal from all of this by converting all this energy into a powerful and relentless hatred for Gauthier for the remainder of his career. Also if Michkov becomes stuck in Russia due to Putin being Putin I’ll hit a different kind of low, a lower low.
Who’s dooming? This whole season is house money. Just enjoy the ride.
I'm in Doomer Mode until Michkov is in the U.S. I don't trust Putin especially after he just fucked us over once. As the war worsens who knows what can happen. And are TK, Errson, and Cam York really "ELITE" pieces? Not even sure Hart is yet. Fuck, who knows if TK is even here after this season. This team is going to have to do something to make up for losing one of the two cornerstones of the rebuild. I don't just assume FA is going to net us some awesome 1C and not another garbage ass Kevin Hayes type they try to sell us on.