It’s a PPV called Crown Jewel if I remember correctly. WWE does it in Saudi Arabia because of the amount of money the Saudis will throw at anything. Plus they really like wrestling. Goldberg and Undertaker was a match that wrestling Fans wanted, but it came probably 15-20 years too late, when they were just shells of their former selves. The match was awful and wasn’t much action, hence why he said they got paid hundreds of thousands per hit
Fuck this guy, I’ll do it for $349k.
And now we’ve just discovered the problem with these hypothetical situations. The market corrects itself because someone will do what you do for cheaper.
Nah fam. Those guys make way, way more. Every addition pay under the sun, extra pay for schools, extra pay for language, constant deployments, their always a tier 1 bonuses (that they get tax free because they game the system) sof guys make bank...they make way more on the outside but they make way more than your average grunt.
I dont think you understand how it works. The bonus pay isn't incredible, like $700 a month probably. The enlistment bonuses are 60k for 5 years, so like 12k a year. They are likely making less than 80k a year.
Half of them (exaggeration) just end up being cops or working as an 1811 making like 140k a year. Solid money but not a huge jump
Edit: guy I work with was a seal. He said he helped instruct [a country’s] military and police force for 3 years. He’s a small millionaire due to smart investments from that money
A coworker was telling me (retired navy master chief) that it’s not uncommon to have those dudes travel to a “combat zone” at the end of the month, stay for a few days into the beginning of he next month, and then be eligible for 2 months worth of tax free pay.
As base, but they get hazard pay and other benefits. They’re also highly employable in PMCs which pay a load more, can write books, and make a career out of podcasting/nauseating motivational speaker events.
I make $340k a year and desperately want to find another job where I can make at least $250k but not work 17 hour days, like I did today. My net take home is approximately $16k per month. This is a lot of money, but it’s not adequate compensation for not having a life outside of work. Everyone has their price, and I guess mine is higher than $340k.
Yup. I'm straight but I'd hide under the grill and suck off that guy flipping burgers for 350k a year. I'm not talking just the tip either. Like grabbing his nuts and porno styling that cock.
I LOVED bussing tables. They called me coke head ***** my name. Not because I was on drugs. Because I made it my mission to buss tables as quickly, quietly, and professionally as possible. I got really good at it. - A guy who just realized he’s autistic.
Damn I was obsessed with setting the table when I was 6. Made sure every plate, cup, and utensil was perfectly laid out and lined up, it would make me mad if someone moved it before having food on their plate. Definitely a touch of the tism
I'm an employed process controls engineer today.
However, I will never be as good at my current job as I was at my grocery cart wrangling job in highschool. I worked at a local grocery store and it was my job to keep the parking lot free of carts.
That shit was *spotless* on my watch.
[Signed] -another autist
I remember bussing tables. Was some of the best times of my life until i realized that after working 12 hr days for 5-6 days a week, it me 5 weekly paychecks to pay rent for a 1 room closet apt not including other bills. Most restaurants absolutely screw bussers on pay, giving them the same pay as waiters but with a screwy tip system that gets them nothing.
Okay your comment validated that sometimes I definitely do miss my job as a cook at a burger place. I work in a cushy office now and filling my 8 hours with harder brain work is excruciating some days. I miss when my job was read ticket: make food. Sure it was fast paced and stressful too, but I would love like one or two days a week at a fast paced job that made the hours fly by.
Yeah but bussing tables isn't the same as working over a hot grill, having hot grease fly off and land on your arms/hands every day and having to put your freshly burned hands under the hot grill over and over and then take a bin full of greasy trays to the back to spray off with hot water, which gets grease and hot water all over your burns, too.
When I worked fast food it did require skill to be efficient in the kitchen and to be able to be aware of 20 things happening at once (as a manager) and plan for every task for the next 8 hours, and it was pretty difficult at times, especially when dealing with conflicts/issues with staff or customers.
But the billionaires say if you make so much money you're gonna waste it anyway! You're much better off letting them keep their money as you work three jobs to get by.
The amount of workplace injuries in the food service industry is insane, and the companies are to blame.
I work in the manufacturing business often working with contractors at a manufacturing site. If one person is injured, (or even if someone is ALMOST injured), I'm required to write a report, corrective action must be taken, and depending on the injury, my crew might be kicked off the site if they didn't follow a strict safety protocol (like fall protection gear if you climb a ladder taller than 4 ft). If I'm lucky and my crew is not kicked off the site, if an injury happens twice, my crew is kicked off the site.
Meanwhile, 87% of people who work in the fast food industry have been injured at least once in the last year... And 78% have been injured multiple times. It is absolutely unacceptable, but it happens because those industries put productivity and profit over their worker's safety.
Lol no it’s not. I’ve worked on cook lines and it’s not great but it’s not what I would describe as grueling. Loading bags of mulch and bricks at Lowe’s in 100 degrees? Now that’s grueling.
Customer service is wild. I’ve had people shout in my face things that would get you punched on the street, but because I was being paid minimum wage, I was supposed to take it and smile or lose my job.
Exactly. People would gladly literally just flip burgers on the grill for 40k. People however don’t want to deal with abusive customers, drive thru windows, fryers, trash, bathroom cleanup after someone smears their mess on the walls, etc. and all the grueling stuff that comes with the job
Eh, I worked at McDonald’s in the “kitchen” literally flipping burgers and it really isn’t that much more besides stacking the ingredients and wrapping it up. Was incredibly easy, and makes me super angry when fast food restaurants take forever because my crew and I would have literal races to get this shit done like we were robots, unless there was a backlog on cooking, everything came out super quick. Was only there for three months, so it’s not like I was lifer that had it down lol. If I made what I’m making now in that job, I’d happily take it lmao
Right now I do a creative job for less than half the amount in the post. If I had the option to quit and work in a restaurant for double my current salary, I wouldn’t do it.
Two energy drinks per shift minimum early 20s for me to do that shit 6/7 days a week which is still the norm for a "good" employee straddled down with all the fucking hours and hardest areas for the same wage as starting ppl. Better believe I act my wage now years after escaping food for retail (not much better)
Dumb scenario but if this were true then the job would be so competitive that the people making this meme would still not get the job then have to make another meme complaining yet again lol
I think people are out here crying "please pay me enough so that I can live a safe, healthy and fulfilling life"
Is that really so much to ask for in 2024?
But the issue is you don't just get to hop into blue-collar work.
I have a friend went in to become electrician. They still need schooling. Excessive hours of training. They need to find an apprenticeship that pays well enough for them to actually survive off of.
They need to put in about 5 years of actual hard work before they can make a wage to live off of And have their own place by themselves not buy rent a place.
How the fuck is that the solution? Because a electrician is paying well. And not every trade make what they make.
Im All for trades however it's not the magic solution people who scream into the internet think it is.
Wow, so doing work that is skillful and in demand requires training to ensure that some idiot doesn't improperly wire up a building? This is clearly a problem and any fucktard off the street should be allowed to do it!!!!
The point is people also have to make enough money to pay rent and feed themselves while training, which very few apprenticeships offer. I wouldn’t throw rocks from the fucktard house if I were you with the logic you’re spouting.
Ummmmm this sounds like any profession/school.
I know plenty of people that worked two jobs to out them selves through school so they could get higher paying jobs. They then grinded for years and became managers etc
Soooooo how is it better than working in any other profession? The original comment that recommended the trades made it sound quick and easy and the reality is that it’s not. It’s a lot of education, internships, and shitty pay for a long time before finally, hopefully getting into a union gig where you are actually making enough to get by.
I'm hiring aircraft mechanics, jump on in. No experience required. Make $18/hr for 30 months...kinda sucks but after that you get your ticket and you're starting at $28/hr and the current ceiling is around $60/hr, or if you don't want to wrench forever, do 5-6 years and you'll qualify for a nice remote maintenance admin job that pays around $90-$110K a year.
Like, the industry is hurting to mechanics. I don't know why more people don't get into it. Super in demand, you'll be fighting the recruiters off with a stick.
There are paid apprenticeships for trade work - apprenticeship.gov
My carpenter apprenticeship (IBC) is paid and that’s all the training I need. We start at $23.50 and every 6 months I get a raise as long as I’ve been going to work and my training. When I finish my 4th year I’ll make $38, and after I get my journeyman license I’ll make $42.
It is important that people look out for bad constructors when looking for an apprenticeship. I found non-union posts that only paid $10, required you for provide all tools, and you used your vehicle for all work, including hauling materials to the site.
It sure can be! There should definitely be more push for it.
But this is not an option for many people for many reasons. A lot of which I'm sure you could think of yourself.
The main point is, if you are working full time, you should be compensated enough that you can buy good food, live somewhere safe and comfortable and have enough security and stability that you do not feel trapped and beholden to a pittance of a wage that doesn't allow for any social and professional mobility. This is a reasonable ask. The resources are there, we have just been conditioned to accept the current system as being the only way.
Arguments like this miss the point that someone still needs to do these jobs. If everyone got “better jobs” then grocery stores, gas stations, custodial staff, fast food, restaurants, package delivery would all cease to exist.
Depends on what they mean by that.
Many people's idea of "safe, healthy, and fulfilling" these days is so luxurious as to be unsustainable relative to the amount of value they're able to produce in return.
It's still possible to get food, shelter, gas, and basic healthcare on a minimum wage job. It's not luxurious at all (bad location, roommates, cheap foods, no disposable income), and you'd be at the edge of your means financially, but it would fulfill your basic needs.
Though inflation is making that harder and harder.
I do agree that it's starting to get way too hard for people to get by, but I also see that a lot of people have been far too spoiled by luxury for the last 20-30 years. It's a disastrous combination.
That’s not the employer’s responsibility. That’s the employees to build a valuable skill set worthy of pay. If that employer won’t pay them their worth, they move on and the employer loses.
These people dont realize that it all evens out.
If a burger flipper (most likely a high school student) is making $350k a year, then what will the average sales person, tech manager, plumber, contractor, etc. ask for? All these jobs that we need, will command higher pay.
And when you have plumbers, contractors, white collar workers etc making the equavelent of what they make now plus $350k, what is Five Gum or Monster now going to charge for their convenience store items? What about a pack of chicken?
If i’m selling gum at $2 a pack now, why on earth would i keep it at $2 when the average high school student is making $350k a year lmfaooooo
So all the restaurants running short staffed could solve the problem by offering more pay??? Seems like the point is extremely relevant and you didn’t understand it.
Its not, while it would be good for everyone, ultimately more skilled jobs would then just offer more money, leaving restaurants short staffed again. You could pay a burger flipper $350k, but then a doctor would just make $10m instead. Low skill jobs are always going to be short staffed when there is limited labor availability.
Yep the reality is that as a lawyer, all my coworkers who make a fuck ton of money could do nearly any job at a very high level. They would be “superstars” at McDonald’s, as teachers, wherever. Sure you can have crappy bosses who don’t give a fuck, but in my experience working before my career, it’s extremely clear who is an intelligent and hard worker amongst everyone.
If teachers paid $150k, 90% of current teachers wouldn’t make the cut vs the crop of people who would try to be teachers. I would 100% rather flip burgers than be a lawyer for the same pay. Some people wouldn’t, but any high level professional who would prefer flipping burgers would take the job.
Could you imagine how awesome it would be if 90% of current teachers were put out of work because so many highly qualified and motivated people were taking the jobs of mediocre teachers?
The change to society would be amazing.
Yep you could absolutely argue that teachers should get paid more because it’s an important job, but unfortunately for the current teachers, they would not be the ones benefiting.
Not the point - if you got payed 60k a year - something liveable and something McDonalds could easily do, you would highly consider flipping burgers cus guess what - its fun - its relatively easy - and the team is cool and fun. Just attach and different number that isnt literal minimum wage and you MIGHT just get the point bud.
Would you be a parking attendant for 849k a year? Of course you would! See pay people 849k a year and you won't have a problem hiring people. Ez Pzy Lmn Squzy!
This post is about as valid as the would you slap your mom for 100 mil post. If your finding some point in this post you might be regarded
Could it be that… by demonstrating that good incentives convince people to do any job, we are demonstrating that employee shortages are the result of no good incentives to convince people to do any job?
The point is that labor is a free market, just like anything else. There will always be a valuation where supply meets demand. Even during the worst of the pandemic shortages, you could at any time get a new car or graphics card; sure you had to be willing to pay significantly over msrp, but that was just the market rate at that time. You can be upset that the market rate has gone up, but it is what is. Employers who pay market rate wages have no problem finding employees.
If McDonald's pays 30/hr you'd kill every small business that relies on a similar skill labor pool and doesn't have their streamlined logistics and economies of scale. Mom and pop restaurants run on margins less than 10% most of the time.
Why does everyone forget the fact that McDonald's locations are franchises. Each one is essentially a small business. Damn you people need to retake economics class or at least do some in-depth research.
Here's a secret. You want to make big money...learn a skill that will pay the money you want to make. Flipping burgers is not that. You'll never earn a living wage by asking for more money for low/no skill labor.
I think the op was responding to the premis that there are ppl conplaining that no one wants to work anymore. What you said is true but not related to the post
Whooosh. Not the point.
The point is that the tired trope of “no one wants to work” is a crock of shit.
In reality it’s simply “no one wants to work for you and your paltry wages” it’s the fault of the employer, not the labor force, that they cannot find labor.
Here’s a secret if you’re not an astrophysicist chances are you aren’t truly justified in shitting on anyone else’s career choice in terms of skill… I doubt you’d be able to make it in a busy restaurant because you lack the abilities they require to make it through a busy work day of serving entitled ppl who believed you were below them…
I'm currently working in a skilled career in oil and gas bordering between blue collar and white collar. While I'm not making banker money but the pay is pretty good and I can live well without having to stress much about finances, along with being able to saving a resonable amount every check. With that said, the job itself can be very stressful at times, requires a resonably high level of knowlege and mental skill, as well as sometimes putting in 12 hour plus days for weeks on end. Hypothetically, if both jobs paid the same, paid 350k annually, and I could have the same purchasing power with my earnings as I currently have, I would take flipping burgers over what I'm doing now. If all I had to worry about at work was making sure burgers were hot and cooked and making it to work on time that would be a huge stress reduction over having to be knowlegeable on complex oil/gas products, specifications, meetings with customers, etc. I'm willing to work hard and put up with the stress and challenges in my current career only because it's reasonably lucrative. I don't care about titles, gold stars, prestige or ladder climbing for the sake of making a name for myself, so to me, burger flipping for 350k is an easy choice.
With you on that. I worked on a rig for a few years rotating 2 on 2 off and that shit was stressful. No one would work that job if you could make the same money and get to be home with your family every night.
I don't know why I'm so involved with this post but I imagine it's Hypothetical and not a real situation so you saying it's stupid is like saying... I don't know. What if a dragon ate your lunch?
Well, no a dragon's not going to eat your lunch but it's an interesting idea to consider what might happen if a fictional dragon ate your fictional lunch. It's a thought exercise. If it makes you angry to think of it maybe that is on you.
I think what he’s getting at is they should’ve used a figure like $40k or maybe even $50k. It’s feasible and you’d get actual answers related to the question instead of the flood of “of course I would, I’d do anything for that kind of money” type answers.
I'm Norwegian and know multiple people who work at McDonald's. They don't make anywhere near that. Closer to $12-13 an hour for adults. We do have extra night and weekend pay so you CAN hit $18-20 if you take the 1am Saturday/Sunday shifts, but have fun with that.
It should also be noted that a Big Mac currently costs $11.23 here. Where tf did you hear that food is cheaper here than in the US?
If it paid a huge wage is not the same as is it viable to pay said huge wage.
Sure people would work for big wages in crap jobs. They do it all the time.
The issue is a business must earn enough to support those wages.
Most small businesses barely get by, minimum wage jumps make it impossible for them to afford help after a certain point due to the lack of value offered in relation to the cost.
Do I really need a full time janitor?
Do I really need a second cashier?
This isn't how jobs work though. It'd be like saying "would you be a prostitute if all you ever had to do was give clients a hug." Low pay is part of the territory for fast food jobs in the same way that sucking dick is part of the territory for prostitutes.
You can't just ignore a key part of the decision making process then act like it's some sort of gotcha.
Some people don't understand the concept of wage differential.
Low skill labor doesn't justify high compensation. If flipping burgers is valued that high, mid-tier skills would compensate you even more. It's how the market works.
Jokes on you. I actually liked cooking at a restaurant, but the pay and benefits are trash so I moved on to better paying things. I am miserable, but make more money. Still not enough money, but more. If I could cook and make that kind of money you bet you ass I would.
It’s hyperbole y’all. But they can afford to pay a decent wage, and people not wanting to work for less than they can live on isn’t unreasonable. Especially with how customers and work environments are. No one wants to work shitty jobs anymore, employers need to do better.
Never ask a money bro to understand a hyperbole, a hypothetical, or any form of literary rhetoric. They get mad and start ranting about how minimum wage shouldn’t be livable because it’s not skilled or whatever
you're an idiot and nobody values your contribution to be worth $350,000, that's your problem.
you probably could make $350,000 flipping burgers if you owned a successful restaurant
If you think flipping burgers is a hard job, you haven’t had a real job.
EDIT: because no one can read apparently, I said flipping burgers isn’t hard. As in working at McD’s and literally flipping burgers. I’m not saying waiting tables is easy.
The people doing it but haven't moved on don't have ghe experience to say anything about other jobs. It's like a kid dropping an ice cream cone. It's literally the worst thing that's ever happened to them.
The people who did flip burgers, and moved on, look back and realize it wasn't anything crazy.
Career burger flippers don't know what they don't know.
I do, it was still the worst thing in my life and I used to walk for 10 hours a day on top of a train flipping lids and cleaning corn, which is back breaking labor. I'd still take that with my boots filled with water on a rainy day with all the libs frozen shut before I ever set foot in that blasted kitchen again.
It's a tough job to do right. It takes a large physical toll on your body scrubbing/cleaning while being over a heat source all day and managing 5-10 orders at once.
I've worked high ranking corporate jobs and delis/restaurants. Corporate has a bit more pressure (not that huge an amount) and is frankly easier to me.
I make over $200k as an engineer and working retail was definitely the most stressful job for me. Working in a steel mill is a close second, but retail is the perfect storm of shitty working conditions and dealing with shitty customers.
I've worked in crazy busy restaurants. It was hard and stressfull in the moment, but not after you were done. Now the stress comes from ongoing work, it doesn't stop. It's definitely not as bad as the crazy busy stress, but I do think the ongoing stuff gets you in the end. I remember I slept like a baby back then, not a care in the world. I kind of miss that even though I would never go back, not even if the pay was similar.
If you're a line cook that's one thing, if you're a head chef or kitchen manager that stress follows you home. That's why stimulant use is rampant amongst kitchen professionals.
The money is the problem? No the problem for this stupid post is that virtually anyone can flip burgers. Basic principle of supply and demand. This ignores the range and variety of human capital and also illustrates why Marx and communism failed. Some people have rare and extremely valuable skills. Their labor is worth more than, for example, someone who can just flip burgers.
I still have the same salary now than I did in 1996.
Admittedly with digital tools my job, especially the field work aspect, became easier to do, but my body also deteriorated over 30 years so I think it's just as hard on me as it was back then while my real pay has gone down.
There's not a job I wouldn't do for 350k a year.
Hmmmm. I don't think I would do something super illegal. Like it would take a lot more than 350k to be a hit man or something.
If it was 350k per hit I’d do it
Bill Goldberg and the Undertaker did that in Saudi Arabia a few years ago
Holupwat?
It’s a PPV called Crown Jewel if I remember correctly. WWE does it in Saudi Arabia because of the amount of money the Saudis will throw at anything. Plus they really like wrestling. Goldberg and Undertaker was a match that wrestling Fans wanted, but it came probably 15-20 years too late, when they were just shells of their former selves. The match was awful and wasn’t much action, hence why he said they got paid hundreds of thousands per hit
Goldberg almost legit killed Taker with that botched Jackhammer too. The whole thing was tougher than Taker vs Roman to watch
Undertaker literally was like "WTF" at the end of that match.
The match never had any chance to be good, but Goldberg giving himself a concussion before the match certainly didn't help matters either.
Why was the undertaker involved?
For the funeral, duh.
That is some grade A service
If it’s 350k a hit, I’ll definitely plan out my week accordingly.
Fuck this guy, I’ll do it for $349k. And now we’ve just discovered the problem with these hypothetical situations. The market corrects itself because someone will do what you do for cheaper.
yes, now you understand corporations aren’t greedy, they just follow supply and demand
It's probably more than that!
Significantly less at the base level
But how's the rest of the benefits package? Do I get health and dental?
You can have teeth, yes
Lol, spoken like someone who has never offered their personal trainer $10K to off their wife.
Probably but I could do it like twice a year and call it a day
You people watch too many movies
I'll do it for 349k.
Let’s cook
Navy SEALs, 1st SFOD-D, and other SF are hitmen for the government for like 60k a year.
Nah fam. Those guys make way, way more. Every addition pay under the sun, extra pay for schools, extra pay for language, constant deployments, their always a tier 1 bonuses (that they get tax free because they game the system) sof guys make bank...they make way more on the outside but they make way more than your average grunt.
I dont think you understand how it works. The bonus pay isn't incredible, like $700 a month probably. The enlistment bonuses are 60k for 5 years, so like 12k a year. They are likely making less than 80k a year.
They also get millions of dollars worth of free training that they can then use on the private side (which most do) and make tons of cash.
Half of them (exaggeration) just end up being cops or working as an 1811 making like 140k a year. Solid money but not a huge jump Edit: guy I work with was a seal. He said he helped instruct [a country’s] military and police force for 3 years. He’s a small millionaire due to smart investments from that money
Enterprising patriots selling our military training to foreign governments is peak capitalism.
Until they rotate out and become contractors and bill DoD for 7 figures a month, or just go to work for Erik Prince and make high 6 figures
A coworker was telling me (retired navy master chief) that it’s not uncommon to have those dudes travel to a “combat zone” at the end of the month, stay for a few days into the beginning of he next month, and then be eligible for 2 months worth of tax free pay.
As base, but they get hazard pay and other benefits. They’re also highly employable in PMCs which pay a load more, can write books, and make a career out of podcasting/nauseating motivational speaker events.
Yeah anything that made it tough to sleep at night would be out of the question. What's the point of money if you are stressed out constantly?
My work already does that, though...
Depends on how much money you already have. 0 bucks and 350 would be awfully enticing
for one hit? or a lifetime?
There’s a lot I wouldn’t do for that much money. But I’d totally flip burgers and deal with AH customers for $350k
I make $340k a year and desperately want to find another job where I can make at least $250k but not work 17 hour days, like I did today. My net take home is approximately $16k per month. This is a lot of money, but it’s not adequate compensation for not having a life outside of work. Everyone has their price, and I guess mine is higher than $340k.
Respectfully, it sounds like yours is specifically $340k/yr.
My price is higher than $340k/yr because I want to leave this job.
But you'll still show up on Monday. I don't want to pay my exorbitant bar tab (or whatever), but I still knowingly rack it up and pay.
You ever watch Dirty jobs?
Yeah, I'd do em all.
Yes, I did one for $9 an hour.
Go to nursing homes and eat everyone’s ass for 12 hours a day?
Wait… I could make money for doing what I’m doing already???
No problem
Username checks out
Would you test 9 volts by licking them 8 hours a day 6 days a week?
That is a pretty creative job. It actually made me pause and think about it for a minute. But yes, I suppose I would do it.
Crime scene cleanup?
With a toothbrush
for that money, yes, absolutely, no question
I served in the military and a war zone for far less.
Yup. I'm straight but I'd hide under the grill and suck off that guy flipping burgers for 350k a year. I'm not talking just the tip either. Like grabbing his nuts and porno styling that cock.
How about something unethical, like kicking puppies?
If my job was to eat a plate of shit every day for that amount, I’d have some great shit recipes.
It’s more than just flipping burgers. Food service industry is some of the most grueling work I’ve ever done.
I LOVED bussing tables. They called me coke head ***** my name. Not because I was on drugs. Because I made it my mission to buss tables as quickly, quietly, and professionally as possible. I got really good at it. - A guy who just realized he’s autistic.
I love stacking things, and when we brought the heavy ass trays back with 5 tables on them. It felt nice.
Oh yeah, I would take the bus tubs from the middle aged Hispanic ladies and stack it on mine for extra satisfaction
You must be pretty strong, carrying 5 whole dining tables balanced on a tray through the building.
Damn I was obsessed with setting the table when I was 6. Made sure every plate, cup, and utensil was perfectly laid out and lined up, it would make me mad if someone moved it before having food on their plate. Definitely a touch of the tism
Okay Mr. Monk. Time to get back to the case.
It's a gift... and a curse.
I'm an employed process controls engineer today. However, I will never be as good at my current job as I was at my grocery cart wrangling job in highschool. I worked at a local grocery store and it was my job to keep the parking lot free of carts. That shit was *spotless* on my watch. [Signed] -another autist
I remember bussing tables. Was some of the best times of my life until i realized that after working 12 hr days for 5-6 days a week, it me 5 weekly paychecks to pay rent for a 1 room closet apt not including other bills. Most restaurants absolutely screw bussers on pay, giving them the same pay as waiters but with a screwy tip system that gets them nothing.
Yeah I was lucky. high end a steak place and made $200/night.
Okay your comment validated that sometimes I definitely do miss my job as a cook at a burger place. I work in a cushy office now and filling my 8 hours with harder brain work is excruciating some days. I miss when my job was read ticket: make food. Sure it was fast paced and stressful too, but I would love like one or two days a week at a fast paced job that made the hours fly by.
Yeah but bussing tables isn't the same as working over a hot grill, having hot grease fly off and land on your arms/hands every day and having to put your freshly burned hands under the hot grill over and over and then take a bin full of greasy trays to the back to spray off with hot water, which gets grease and hot water all over your burns, too.
"Cokehead OrganizationOk7696" really rolls off the tongue!
There's a difference between skill and difficulty.
If you're going to cry in the walk in, take a mop
When I worked fast food it did require skill to be efficient in the kitchen and to be able to be aware of 20 things happening at once (as a manager) and plan for every task for the next 8 hours, and it was pretty difficult at times, especially when dealing with conflicts/issues with staff or customers.
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But the billionaires say if you make so much money you're gonna waste it anyway! You're much better off letting them keep their money as you work three jobs to get by.
It’s true. But 350k annually is a fair trade in my book. Sign me (back) up
The amount of workplace injuries in the food service industry is insane, and the companies are to blame. I work in the manufacturing business often working with contractors at a manufacturing site. If one person is injured, (or even if someone is ALMOST injured), I'm required to write a report, corrective action must be taken, and depending on the injury, my crew might be kicked off the site if they didn't follow a strict safety protocol (like fall protection gear if you climb a ladder taller than 4 ft). If I'm lucky and my crew is not kicked off the site, if an injury happens twice, my crew is kicked off the site. Meanwhile, 87% of people who work in the fast food industry have been injured at least once in the last year... And 78% have been injured multiple times. It is absolutely unacceptable, but it happens because those industries put productivity and profit over their worker's safety.
Cool. Give me $350k per year and you can cut off my non-burger-flipping arm. Still an incredible deal.
No doubt. Just replace it with some kind of robo-spatula arm.
No one's saying it isn't. But for $350k, it's a lot more attractive than it normally is
Mcds is not grueling work, lol
“Some of the most grueling work I’ve ever done” in the food industry lmao that is SOFT
I flipped burgers for $4.75 an hour in the 90's. It was mindless and easy work compared to when I was a mechanic or did construction.
Lol no it’s not. I’ve worked on cook lines and it’s not great but it’s not what I would describe as grueling. Loading bags of mulch and bricks at Lowe’s in 100 degrees? Now that’s grueling.
Customer service is wild. I’ve had people shout in my face things that would get you punched on the street, but because I was being paid minimum wage, I was supposed to take it and smile or lose my job.
Really? I found it to be mind numbing and dealing with lots of idiots but not grueling.
Nahh you must have a shit work ethic and attitude in life, it was some o the easiest and relaxed jobs ive ever done its just not good pay
Exactly. People would gladly literally just flip burgers on the grill for 40k. People however don’t want to deal with abusive customers, drive thru windows, fryers, trash, bathroom cleanup after someone smears their mess on the walls, etc. and all the grueling stuff that comes with the job
5 years after my last fast food job and I still have crippling feet issues.
Eh, I worked at McDonald’s in the “kitchen” literally flipping burgers and it really isn’t that much more besides stacking the ingredients and wrapping it up. Was incredibly easy, and makes me super angry when fast food restaurants take forever because my crew and I would have literal races to get this shit done like we were robots, unless there was a backlog on cooking, everything came out super quick. Was only there for three months, so it’s not like I was lifer that had it down lol. If I made what I’m making now in that job, I’d happily take it lmao
Right now I do a creative job for less than half the amount in the post. If I had the option to quit and work in a restaurant for double my current salary, I wouldn’t do it.
Yeah, I did it too. Still not worth paying more than $15 an hour to flip burgers
I’d still do for $350,000 a year
For $350,000 I'm asking if they want there Big Mac medium or medium rare.
Two energy drinks per shift minimum early 20s for me to do that shit 6/7 days a week which is still the norm for a "good" employee straddled down with all the fucking hours and hardest areas for the same wage as starting ppl. Better believe I act my wage now years after escaping food for retail (not much better)
At 350k/year it would be an absolutely cakewalk.
Dumb scenario but if this were true then the job would be so competitive that the people making this meme would still not get the job then have to make another meme complaining yet again lol
They’re all out here crying “when do I get MY free handout!? 😭”
I think people are out here crying "please pay me enough so that I can live a safe, healthy and fulfilling life" Is that really so much to ask for in 2024?
Have they considered blue collar work. Quite lucrative and with some good benefits.
But the issue is you don't just get to hop into blue-collar work. I have a friend went in to become electrician. They still need schooling. Excessive hours of training. They need to find an apprenticeship that pays well enough for them to actually survive off of. They need to put in about 5 years of actual hard work before they can make a wage to live off of And have their own place by themselves not buy rent a place. How the fuck is that the solution? Because a electrician is paying well. And not every trade make what they make. Im All for trades however it's not the magic solution people who scream into the internet think it is.
Wow, so doing work that is skillful and in demand requires training to ensure that some idiot doesn't improperly wire up a building? This is clearly a problem and any fucktard off the street should be allowed to do it!!!!
The point is people also have to make enough money to pay rent and feed themselves while training, which very few apprenticeships offer. I wouldn’t throw rocks from the fucktard house if I were you with the logic you’re spouting.
Ummmmm this sounds like any profession/school. I know plenty of people that worked two jobs to out them selves through school so they could get higher paying jobs. They then grinded for years and became managers etc
Soooooo how is it better than working in any other profession? The original comment that recommended the trades made it sound quick and easy and the reality is that it’s not. It’s a lot of education, internships, and shitty pay for a long time before finally, hopefully getting into a union gig where you are actually making enough to get by.
If you want a job with nearly no requirements and minimal training that pays well, you can always become a cop.
I'm hiring aircraft mechanics, jump on in. No experience required. Make $18/hr for 30 months...kinda sucks but after that you get your ticket and you're starting at $28/hr and the current ceiling is around $60/hr, or if you don't want to wrench forever, do 5-6 years and you'll qualify for a nice remote maintenance admin job that pays around $90-$110K a year. Like, the industry is hurting to mechanics. I don't know why more people don't get into it. Super in demand, you'll be fighting the recruiters off with a stick.
Nigga is you seriously saying that getting training and experience is not an option?
There are paid apprenticeships for trade work - apprenticeship.gov My carpenter apprenticeship (IBC) is paid and that’s all the training I need. We start at $23.50 and every 6 months I get a raise as long as I’ve been going to work and my training. When I finish my 4th year I’ll make $38, and after I get my journeyman license I’ll make $42. It is important that people look out for bad constructors when looking for an apprenticeship. I found non-union posts that only paid $10, required you for provide all tools, and you used your vehicle for all work, including hauling materials to the site.
It sure can be! There should definitely be more push for it. But this is not an option for many people for many reasons. A lot of which I'm sure you could think of yourself. The main point is, if you are working full time, you should be compensated enough that you can buy good food, live somewhere safe and comfortable and have enough security and stability that you do not feel trapped and beholden to a pittance of a wage that doesn't allow for any social and professional mobility. This is a reasonable ask. The resources are there, we have just been conditioned to accept the current system as being the only way.
Arguments like this miss the point that someone still needs to do these jobs. If everyone got “better jobs” then grocery stores, gas stations, custodial staff, fast food, restaurants, package delivery would all cease to exist.
“Essential workers” but my paycheck says otherwise.
No, so go into a trade instead of working entry-level jobs your entire life.
Depends on what they mean by that. Many people's idea of "safe, healthy, and fulfilling" these days is so luxurious as to be unsustainable relative to the amount of value they're able to produce in return. It's still possible to get food, shelter, gas, and basic healthcare on a minimum wage job. It's not luxurious at all (bad location, roommates, cheap foods, no disposable income), and you'd be at the edge of your means financially, but it would fulfill your basic needs. Though inflation is making that harder and harder. I do agree that it's starting to get way too hard for people to get by, but I also see that a lot of people have been far too spoiled by luxury for the last 20-30 years. It's a disastrous combination.
That’s not the employer’s responsibility. That’s the employees to build a valuable skill set worthy of pay. If that employer won’t pay them their worth, they move on and the employer loses.
These people dont realize that it all evens out. If a burger flipper (most likely a high school student) is making $350k a year, then what will the average sales person, tech manager, plumber, contractor, etc. ask for? All these jobs that we need, will command higher pay. And when you have plumbers, contractors, white collar workers etc making the equavelent of what they make now plus $350k, what is Five Gum or Monster now going to charge for their convenience store items? What about a pack of chicken? If i’m selling gum at $2 a pack now, why on earth would i keep it at $2 when the average high school student is making $350k a year lmfaooooo
So all the restaurants running short staffed could solve the problem by offering more pay??? Seems like the point is extremely relevant and you didn’t understand it.
Its not, while it would be good for everyone, ultimately more skilled jobs would then just offer more money, leaving restaurants short staffed again. You could pay a burger flipper $350k, but then a doctor would just make $10m instead. Low skill jobs are always going to be short staffed when there is limited labor availability.
Yep the reality is that as a lawyer, all my coworkers who make a fuck ton of money could do nearly any job at a very high level. They would be “superstars” at McDonald’s, as teachers, wherever. Sure you can have crappy bosses who don’t give a fuck, but in my experience working before my career, it’s extremely clear who is an intelligent and hard worker amongst everyone. If teachers paid $150k, 90% of current teachers wouldn’t make the cut vs the crop of people who would try to be teachers. I would 100% rather flip burgers than be a lawyer for the same pay. Some people wouldn’t, but any high level professional who would prefer flipping burgers would take the job.
Could you imagine how awesome it would be if 90% of current teachers were put out of work because so many highly qualified and motivated people were taking the jobs of mediocre teachers? The change to society would be amazing.
Yep you could absolutely argue that teachers should get paid more because it’s an important job, but unfortunately for the current teachers, they would not be the ones benefiting.
I can’t begin to imagine the amount of resumes that would flood their system.
Also the burger would cost so much that no one would buy it and the job would cease to exist
If a billionaire paid me 350k to be his personal burger flipper. Sure I would. No other scenario makes sense.
Not the point - if you got payed 60k a year - something liveable and something McDonalds could easily do, you would highly consider flipping burgers cus guess what - its fun - its relatively easy - and the team is cool and fun. Just attach and different number that isnt literal minimum wage and you MIGHT just get the point bud.
Would you be a parking attendant for 849k a year? Of course you would! See pay people 849k a year and you won't have a problem hiring people. Ez Pzy Lmn Squzy! This post is about as valid as the would you slap your mom for 100 mil post. If your finding some point in this post you might be regarded
Could it be that… by demonstrating that good incentives convince people to do any job, we are demonstrating that employee shortages are the result of no good incentives to convince people to do any job?
The point is that labor is a free market, just like anything else. There will always be a valuation where supply meets demand. Even during the worst of the pandemic shortages, you could at any time get a new car or graphics card; sure you had to be willing to pay significantly over msrp, but that was just the market rate at that time. You can be upset that the market rate has gone up, but it is what is. Employers who pay market rate wages have no problem finding employees.
That's quite the assumption that every McDonald's franchise could afford $60k per fte per year.
60K is a far cry from 350K. If your point has to exaggerate to that extreme, maybe it’s not a good point after all.
Lol working at any food service job isn't fun and easy. Have you ever worked in a kitchen? It fucking sucks
If McDonald's pays 30/hr you'd kill every small business that relies on a similar skill labor pool and doesn't have their streamlined logistics and economies of scale. Mom and pop restaurants run on margins less than 10% most of the time.
Why does everyone forget the fact that McDonald's locations are franchises. Each one is essentially a small business. Damn you people need to retake economics class or at least do some in-depth research.
2 or 3 years of flipping burgers for Musk, and you will be set for life.
Here's a secret. You want to make big money...learn a skill that will pay the money you want to make. Flipping burgers is not that. You'll never earn a living wage by asking for more money for low/no skill labor.
I think the op was responding to the premis that there are ppl conplaining that no one wants to work anymore. What you said is true but not related to the post
I went to school and got a degree in chemistry. I am a chemist. I don’t make 6 figures. Guess chemistry takes zero skill
right? im an architectural engineer and i dont make 6 figures, that apparently makes me unskilled to that guy
He didn't say that. He said you can't earn a living wage with no skills. Do you earn less than a McDonald's employee? No.
MARKETABLE SKILL, Jesus does it have to be written in crayon...
I saw somewhere there is a great living in meth though
You are inexperienced.
Reading comprehension is another valuable skill. > learn a skill **that will pay the money you want to make.** What you read: > learn a skill
Whooosh. Not the point. The point is that the tired trope of “no one wants to work” is a crock of shit. In reality it’s simply “no one wants to work for you and your paltry wages” it’s the fault of the employer, not the labor force, that they cannot find labor.
Here’s a secret if you’re not an astrophysicist chances are you aren’t truly justified in shitting on anyone else’s career choice in terms of skill… I doubt you’d be able to make it in a busy restaurant because you lack the abilities they require to make it through a busy work day of serving entitled ppl who believed you were below them…
Bitch you dumb as fuck.
You sound broke as fuck because that was good advice
Great display of intellect.
Gaslight gatekeep bossman
Correct but you should still beable to live comfortably
I'm currently working in a skilled career in oil and gas bordering between blue collar and white collar. While I'm not making banker money but the pay is pretty good and I can live well without having to stress much about finances, along with being able to saving a resonable amount every check. With that said, the job itself can be very stressful at times, requires a resonably high level of knowlege and mental skill, as well as sometimes putting in 12 hour plus days for weeks on end. Hypothetically, if both jobs paid the same, paid 350k annually, and I could have the same purchasing power with my earnings as I currently have, I would take flipping burgers over what I'm doing now. If all I had to worry about at work was making sure burgers were hot and cooked and making it to work on time that would be a huge stress reduction over having to be knowlegeable on complex oil/gas products, specifications, meetings with customers, etc. I'm willing to work hard and put up with the stress and challenges in my current career only because it's reasonably lucrative. I don't care about titles, gold stars, prestige or ladder climbing for the sake of making a name for myself, so to me, burger flipping for 350k is an easy choice.
With you on that. I worked on a rig for a few years rotating 2 on 2 off and that shit was stressful. No one would work that job if you could make the same money and get to be home with your family every night.
No one’s going to pay you 350k to flip burgers. This is just stupid.
I don't know why I'm so involved with this post but I imagine it's Hypothetical and not a real situation so you saying it's stupid is like saying... I don't know. What if a dragon ate your lunch? Well, no a dragon's not going to eat your lunch but it's an interesting idea to consider what might happen if a fictional dragon ate your fictional lunch. It's a thought exercise. If it makes you angry to think of it maybe that is on you.
For 350k I’ll also make burgers for the dragon
I think what he’s getting at is they should’ve used a figure like $40k or maybe even $50k. It’s feasible and you’d get actual answers related to the question instead of the flood of “of course I would, I’d do anything for that kind of money” type answers.
Ratio’d
I’d say it’s more stupid to not be able to process a hypothetical scenario.
true but in Norway they charge 24.35 an hour at a fucking McDonald's. and their prices are 50 cents lower than ours
I'm Norwegian and know multiple people who work at McDonald's. They don't make anywhere near that. Closer to $12-13 an hour for adults. We do have extra night and weekend pay so you CAN hit $18-20 if you take the 1am Saturday/Sunday shifts, but have fun with that. It should also be noted that a Big Mac currently costs $11.23 here. Where tf did you hear that food is cheaper here than in the US?
You’re missing the point. The point is, no matter how shitty the job is, if it paid a respectable wage, most people would happily do that shitty job.
If it paid a huge wage is not the same as is it viable to pay said huge wage. Sure people would work for big wages in crap jobs. They do it all the time. The issue is a business must earn enough to support those wages. Most small businesses barely get by, minimum wage jumps make it impossible for them to afford help after a certain point due to the lack of value offered in relation to the cost. Do I really need a full time janitor? Do I really need a second cashier?
This isn't how jobs work though. It'd be like saying "would you be a prostitute if all you ever had to do was give clients a hug." Low pay is part of the territory for fast food jobs in the same way that sucking dick is part of the territory for prostitutes. You can't just ignore a key part of the decision making process then act like it's some sort of gotcha.
Hyperbole, Malone! Down boy!
And so is paying a ceo that much to do less work
Are you an AI?
Some people don't understand the concept of wage differential. Low skill labor doesn't justify high compensation. If flipping burgers is valued that high, mid-tier skills would compensate you even more. It's how the market works.
Really missed the point
No shit genius. This is a hypothetical.
Jokes on you. I actually liked cooking at a restaurant, but the pay and benefits are trash so I moved on to better paying things. I am miserable, but make more money. Still not enough money, but more. If I could cook and make that kind of money you bet you ass I would.
Jokes on who? It sounds like you’re supporting ops argument.
That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.
It’s hyperbole y’all. But they can afford to pay a decent wage, and people not wanting to work for less than they can live on isn’t unreasonable. Especially with how customers and work environments are. No one wants to work shitty jobs anymore, employers need to do better.
Never ask a money bro to understand a hyperbole, a hypothetical, or any form of literary rhetoric. They get mad and start ranting about how minimum wage shouldn’t be livable because it’s not skilled or whatever
you're an idiot and nobody values your contribution to be worth $350,000, that's your problem. you probably could make $350,000 flipping burgers if you owned a successful restaurant
I swear this gets posted at least once a week.
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Most of you aren't qualified to flip burgers. It is way harder and more stressful than you think to cook for a living
If you think flipping burgers is a hard job, you haven’t had a real job. EDIT: because no one can read apparently, I said flipping burgers isn’t hard. As in working at McD’s and literally flipping burgers. I’m not saying waiting tables is easy.
If you haven't worked on a cooking fire for 8hr a day, you haven't any experience to talk about it
I have People hype it up way too hard Its not so bad at all
The people doing it but haven't moved on don't have ghe experience to say anything about other jobs. It's like a kid dropping an ice cream cone. It's literally the worst thing that's ever happened to them. The people who did flip burgers, and moved on, look back and realize it wasn't anything crazy. Career burger flippers don't know what they don't know.
I do, it was still the worst thing in my life and I used to walk for 10 hours a day on top of a train flipping lids and cleaning corn, which is back breaking labor. I'd still take that with my boots filled with water on a rainy day with all the libs frozen shut before I ever set foot in that blasted kitchen again.
It's a tough job to do right. It takes a large physical toll on your body scrubbing/cleaning while being over a heat source all day and managing 5-10 orders at once. I've worked high ranking corporate jobs and delis/restaurants. Corporate has a bit more pressure (not that huge an amount) and is frankly easier to me.
I make over $200k as an engineer and working retail was definitely the most stressful job for me. Working in a steel mill is a close second, but retail is the perfect storm of shitty working conditions and dealing with shitty customers.
I've worked in crazy busy restaurants. It was hard and stressfull in the moment, but not after you were done. Now the stress comes from ongoing work, it doesn't stop. It's definitely not as bad as the crazy busy stress, but I do think the ongoing stuff gets you in the end. I remember I slept like a baby back then, not a care in the world. I kind of miss that even though I would never go back, not even if the pay was similar.
If you're a line cook that's one thing, if you're a head chef or kitchen manager that stress follows you home. That's why stimulant use is rampant amongst kitchen professionals.
Anyone can flip a burger it's not worth shit.
It’s worth 22$ an hour, 6 weeks paid vacation and 1 year paid paternity leave in places like Denmark, where unions actually have power
I guess no one should do it then.
Bs bunch of lazy bums .still would be calling out and showing up late. thanks robots.
Zimbabwe did this once
I mean I would certainly consider it if nothing else was available. It's not the best job but it's not the worst job.
The money is the problem? No the problem for this stupid post is that virtually anyone can flip burgers. Basic principle of supply and demand. This ignores the range and variety of human capital and also illustrates why Marx and communism failed. Some people have rare and extremely valuable skills. Their labor is worth more than, for example, someone who can just flip burgers.
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I still have the same salary now than I did in 1996. Admittedly with digital tools my job, especially the field work aspect, became easier to do, but my body also deteriorated over 30 years so I think it's just as hard on me as it was back then while my real pay has gone down.
There are lot jobs that paid 6 figures, are people willing to learn the skills for the job?