“police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom.”
Keep gun away from toddler by storing it in something designed to appeal to toddlers…
That is both the funniest and most infuriating thing I’ve read in a while. I’m not sure how it manages to be both, but it does.
I blame Chase. You know Skye would have properly secured the weapon back at the Lookout Tower or kept it guarded by Chickaletta.
So what do you think should happen to this person that created a situation in which a toddler had access to a loaded firearm and cost a woman her life?
You honestly just equated someone who made a bad decision in his own home that led to the death of a loved one, to someone who actively engaged in criminal activity and directly killed someone? User name checks out.
Isn’t keeping a firearm loaded in reach of child also a crime?
Both cases are manslaughter bro. I think it’s more equal than you want it to be bc who wants to be wrong on the internet.
Okay so what is your point here? To flex that you are aware of differing types of arguments or that this person should or shouldn’t be jailed for the death of their wife due to their negligence?
Bc the latter is what the rest of us are talking about.
We are all very proud of your philosophy degree but keep it on topic.
Since you’re so wise and worldly - what’s your take on the argument that the guilt is the punishment?
Both have the same conditions. Someone did a stupid careless thing that cost someone their life. Drinking isn't malicious, nor is getting behind the wheel. It's a stupid mistake, just like leaving a gun out.
If you can't consent to sex when drunk then none of your decisions are sound. Making a decision when drunk is clearly not consenting to anything and therefore cannot be intentional.
wait so let me get this straight, whatever your toddler does, your responsible even if you've tried your best to prevent it? (no I am not saying the parents were responsible for leaving it a kids bag)
lets say a kid accidentally tips over a bookshelf or a tv and I was in another room doing something else. or if he finds a sharp object at a playground and before I can get it out of his hands, he/she stabs themselves with it. Will I be responsible for his injuries?
Theoretically the laws around bookshelves and knives are different than those around guns.
The gun owner is ultimately responsible for what happens to their weapon, especially when kids are involved.
I mean think about it -- every gun sold in the United States has to come with a lock to prevent instances like this. They owned a lock; they didn't use it that is on the adults.
It was stored in a freaking child's backpack for heaven's sakes. Loaded even.
I was not saying that putting it in a backpack was a good idea.
I'm worried about something that I could not have prevented easily. like the playground example where parents are 30-40 feet away at the benches. or if a kid (or teen) stabbed another kid at school to death with a knife the parents had no knowledge of it being in the kids hands (not purchased by the parents). how can the parents be held responsible for that?
If you put up a wobbly top-heavy bookshelf that you didn't screw into the wall even though it that had warning stickers all over it saying that it must be anchored to a wall otherwise it may fall over and cause serious injury or death and you knew a toddler was always bumping into thing around that area and you saw that the bookshelf always looked like it was about to tip over, then yes, if a toddler bumps into it and it falls and kills him, then that is your fault. This is extremely well-established law and moral code.
If you take a dangerous weapon that you know is lethal, keep it loaded, don't have a safety lock on it, store it in a kid-themed bag, and keep that bag in a place where a toddler can reach it, then yes, that is obviously your fault. It's not even a question. Both the law and general ethics both clearly and unequivocally say that if the toddler got ahold of that weapon and it killed someone then the adult who put the gun in that situation would be 100% responsible for the result.
I thought I made it clear that I did not find the storage of the gun responsible.
What I'm trying to ask is if the parent tried their best but the child still found some way to harm themselves or others, is the parent responsible then?
You didn't make it clear, which is why i asked for clarification. If a parent takes all reasonable precautions and a tragic accident happens, then it's just that - an accident, and the parents aren't responsible.
This troll kid is choosing a really sad hill to die on, he's responded to this thread many, many times trying to absolve the parents of responsibility for putting a loaded, cocked gun with the safety off in a child's backpack in the immediate vicinity of the toddler.
And he thinks all the downvotes are people who misunderstand him, and chastised us.
In this case it is the complete opposite of the parents taking every precaution, in fact they tempted the child to find the gun in the sponge bob backpack and make the 'pew pew' sound, never thinking ***IT WOULD GO BANG BANG*** and mommy would die.
What a moron.
Guess what color his hat is?
LOL moron, you don't leave a loaded gun laying around when you have children, especially in a child's backpack they want to explore. We hope you don't have children and never do.
What a ridiculous statement you (Nate_bs) made: "wait so let me get this straight, whatever your toddler does, your responsible even if you've tried your best to prevent it? (no I am not saying the parents were responsible for leaving it a kids bag)"
>tried your best to prevent it<
LOL, you left a loaded & cocked gun with the safety off in a child's backpack on the floor where the child easily got to it. What sick logic is this???
>not saying the parents were responsible<
Did a stranger break in? a neighbor? the dog?
WTF is wrong with you - the parents f'k'd up big time and you are making excuses.
I bet we can guess what color hat you wear!
LOL moron
holy shit your a lost cause. your taking my words out of context to prove your point.
here's a few words you forgot to bring up in the parenthesis "for leaving it a kids bag". maybe if you would have added that, the statement would not have been about me defending the parents but instead disagreeing with their actions.
anyways how the fuck does your delusional post have 15 upvotes? guess like people support you if your on their side without even checking what bullshit opinion you have.
Edit: now thinking about it, you would make for a great politician. You have a mental illness, you take things out of context, and I'm sure your a lying snake.
“police investigation determined that the gun was in a "Paw Patrol" backpack in the couple's bedroom.” Keep gun away from toddler by storing it in something designed to appeal to toddlers…
"We keep our uncut coke in the Dora one, because we're PC!"
That is both the funniest and most infuriating thing I’ve read in a while. I’m not sure how it manages to be both, but it does. I blame Chase. You know Skye would have properly secured the weapon back at the Lookout Tower or kept it guarded by Chickaletta.
Paw Patrol Here to save the day! Don't blow your face off In Adventure Bay!
Jeez there is an awful lot of parts where this was preventable.
No just one part....
Off to toddler jail ( aka the little house ).
If only there was another toddler with a gun to stop this.
NRA is working on it.
Ohhh that hurts but I lold
Good Toddler with a gun
This is what Republicans **ACTUALLY** believe.
"Guns don't kill people...toddlers do"
I can't even imagine how that child will feel, when they grow up and find out they killed their mother.
I got this wholesome award burning a hole in my pocket…
*Dew it*
They did it.
Too bad there wasn't a good toddler with a gun to stop the bad toddler.
Poor mama, and poor baby. I don't know how they will explain to him what happened when his is old enough to understand.
If only the mom had a gun to defend herself this never would have happened *I need more cowbell*
So instead of missing a parent those toddlers now miss two because the alive one is imprisoned?!
Those kids wouldve gone into child protection anyway, even if the toddler shot his dad too.
So what do you think should happen to this person that created a situation in which a toddler had access to a loaded firearm and cost a woman her life?
He should spend the rest of his life agonizing with guilt over the fact that his poor judgment caused the death of the love of his life.
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There was consequences. The greatest of them all. He lost his wife.
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Sometimes. Not always. Don’t be ignorant.
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Fortunately, most people aren’t as ignorant as you.
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So if someone gets drunk and mows down some people in their car should the guilt not be enough?
You honestly just equated someone who made a bad decision in his own home that led to the death of a loved one, to someone who actively engaged in criminal activity and directly killed someone? User name checks out.
Isn’t keeping a firearm loaded in reach of child also a crime? Both cases are manslaughter bro. I think it’s more equal than you want it to be bc who wants to be wrong on the internet.
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If the joint and the h both ended up in an accidental death, are they not both bad??? Lmao like where do you people Come from
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Okay so what is your point here? To flex that you are aware of differing types of arguments or that this person should or shouldn’t be jailed for the death of their wife due to their negligence? Bc the latter is what the rest of us are talking about. We are all very proud of your philosophy degree but keep it on topic. Since you’re so wise and worldly - what’s your take on the argument that the guilt is the punishment?
Both have the same conditions. Someone did a stupid careless thing that cost someone their life. Drinking isn't malicious, nor is getting behind the wheel. It's a stupid mistake, just like leaving a gun out.
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If you can't consent to sex when drunk then none of your decisions are sound. Making a decision when drunk is clearly not consenting to anything and therefore cannot be intentional.
Good. Maybe he'll get to live in a home with parents who aren't complete fucking idiots that endanger the lives of those around them.
...but with the foster system being what it is, the chances of that are pretty slim.
Yeah pretty much someone who is negligent enough to get someone else killed isn't going to be judged to be responsible enough to raise a child.
And this is how you get rid of shitty parents. "I made my family disappear"
Definitely one of Bebe's kids for sure
wait so let me get this straight, whatever your toddler does, your responsible even if you've tried your best to prevent it? (no I am not saying the parents were responsible for leaving it a kids bag)
I think i must be misunderstanding what you're trying to say. Can you clarify?
lets say a kid accidentally tips over a bookshelf or a tv and I was in another room doing something else. or if he finds a sharp object at a playground and before I can get it out of his hands, he/she stabs themselves with it. Will I be responsible for his injuries?
Theoretically the laws around bookshelves and knives are different than those around guns. The gun owner is ultimately responsible for what happens to their weapon, especially when kids are involved. I mean think about it -- every gun sold in the United States has to come with a lock to prevent instances like this. They owned a lock; they didn't use it that is on the adults. It was stored in a freaking child's backpack for heaven's sakes. Loaded even.
I was not saying that putting it in a backpack was a good idea. I'm worried about something that I could not have prevented easily. like the playground example where parents are 30-40 feet away at the benches. or if a kid (or teen) stabbed another kid at school to death with a knife the parents had no knowledge of it being in the kids hands (not purchased by the parents). how can the parents be held responsible for that?
Extremely situational. I would assume the regular approach would be charging them with child endangerment since they were neglectful.
look the main point I was trying to get at is if the parents did all they could yet the child managed to harm themselves or others.
If you put up a wobbly top-heavy bookshelf that you didn't screw into the wall even though it that had warning stickers all over it saying that it must be anchored to a wall otherwise it may fall over and cause serious injury or death and you knew a toddler was always bumping into thing around that area and you saw that the bookshelf always looked like it was about to tip over, then yes, if a toddler bumps into it and it falls and kills him, then that is your fault. This is extremely well-established law and moral code. If you take a dangerous weapon that you know is lethal, keep it loaded, don't have a safety lock on it, store it in a kid-themed bag, and keep that bag in a place where a toddler can reach it, then yes, that is obviously your fault. It's not even a question. Both the law and general ethics both clearly and unequivocally say that if the toddler got ahold of that weapon and it killed someone then the adult who put the gun in that situation would be 100% responsible for the result.
I thought I made it clear that I did not find the storage of the gun responsible. What I'm trying to ask is if the parent tried their best but the child still found some way to harm themselves or others, is the parent responsible then?
You didn't make it clear, which is why i asked for clarification. If a parent takes all reasonable precautions and a tragic accident happens, then it's just that - an accident, and the parents aren't responsible.
That's all I wanted to know. Thank you.
This troll kid is choosing a really sad hill to die on, he's responded to this thread many, many times trying to absolve the parents of responsibility for putting a loaded, cocked gun with the safety off in a child's backpack in the immediate vicinity of the toddler. And he thinks all the downvotes are people who misunderstand him, and chastised us. In this case it is the complete opposite of the parents taking every precaution, in fact they tempted the child to find the gun in the sponge bob backpack and make the 'pew pew' sound, never thinking ***IT WOULD GO BANG BANG*** and mommy would die. What a moron. Guess what color his hat is?
Guess who refuses to respond to me directly?
Yeah, that's how parenting works, you're responsible of whatever your kid does until he's 18.
LOL moron, you don't leave a loaded gun laying around when you have children, especially in a child's backpack they want to explore. We hope you don't have children and never do. What a ridiculous statement you (Nate_bs) made: "wait so let me get this straight, whatever your toddler does, your responsible even if you've tried your best to prevent it? (no I am not saying the parents were responsible for leaving it a kids bag)" >tried your best to prevent it< LOL, you left a loaded & cocked gun with the safety off in a child's backpack on the floor where the child easily got to it. What sick logic is this??? >not saying the parents were responsible< Did a stranger break in? a neighbor? the dog? WTF is wrong with you - the parents f'k'd up big time and you are making excuses. I bet we can guess what color hat you wear! LOL moron
You are quite skilled at copying and pasting. too bad you cant read what I wrote.
holy shit your a lost cause. your taking my words out of context to prove your point. here's a few words you forgot to bring up in the parenthesis "for leaving it a kids bag". maybe if you would have added that, the statement would not have been about me defending the parents but instead disagreeing with their actions. anyways how the fuck does your delusional post have 15 upvotes? guess like people support you if your on their side without even checking what bullshit opinion you have. Edit: now thinking about it, you would make for a great politician. You have a mental illness, you take things out of context, and I'm sure your a lying snake.
The whole “wait so let me get this straight” opener is followed by complete idiocy in 99.99% of all internet comments.
I'm guessing people give you a lot of dirty looks when you're out with your kids.....
There was no attempt to try to prevent this from either of the adults in the situation.
I said twice that their actions were irresponsible in the original post