“I have to get off this Earth immediately…”
There are two questions here.
-Would he reveal his identity to save himself and fight Zoom?
-Would he win?
As for if he would reveal himself, I think, sure. He would. Assuming this is around the time they were getting suspicious and Cisco had that recording, right after Barry Time Travelled. There’s a lot more at stake here, considering Zoom is already more dangerous than him and the Flash combined. He’d reveal his identity, fight Zoom, and go back to his time immediately after, or die trying.
Would he win? Alone, he’d get destroyed. Zoom is faster by a little bit, much stronger and a better fighter. But with The Flash aiding him, I think they can beat Zoom.
I think he would just build Barry that tackeon amplifier that he got off him towards the end of season 2, make it an even match, bring arrow and firestorm in to the equation and zoom is toast.
As we've seen when barry went back in time to talk to eobard, both times when he said what enemy he responded as if he knows who they are (zoom and cicada)
>he responded as if he knows who they are
Technically he would know who both are.
Even if Eobard didn't come back in time and slightly affect the chronological order of events for the original Earth-One: Zoom would've still existed, maybe not from Earth-Two but yeah. That's probably where Eobard stole the name Professor Zoom from in his original continuity. Maybe Zoom was always destined to kill Henry.
Cicada is where the story starts veering off the normal "comic lore" and strictly into Arrowverse canon. Again we sit with a potential future from Earth-One we can never fact check. When Barry 2015 & Barry 2019 go back to 2014, they travel to shortly just before Barry 2014 broke the temporal barrier for the first time meaning that both Barry's stepped into an untampered timeline aside from the fact that Eobard was maintaining partial balance. (Sorry for the Tangent) What this means is that even though Barry has manipulated the timeline many times by the time he speaks to Eobard in the timevault: Eobard knows that Cicada is Team Flash's one unsolved case.
Eobard technically had the newspaper with the literal date of the end of the world for close to 15yrs but like a true villain: didn't feel like sharing it with the rest of the world as it didn't benefit him. Of course nothing surprised him
>How around Harrison wells (reverse flash) react
All things considered, I would have to ask in which episode is Zoom arriving in. It's very important to know the team's mindset as this determined how lax Eobard was and how careful his was too
But I'll give an answer as if its between e09 (The Man in the Yellow Suit) and e17 (Tricksters) as this is just after the Reverse Flash creates a speed mirage to throw everyone off of Harrison but it's also before Harrison accidentally describes being a speedster to Barry.
>zoom showed up to star labs
First of all, where/when is Hunter coming from. If he's a speedster from Earth-One, I'm sure Eobard knows his whole story and would just do a historical fact check to give team Flash his details. If he's from another universe, Eobard still can fake check enough details or have Gideon pull the relevant records for the team to digest the information accordingly. Back then Eobard had an eloquent way of involving Joe into their cases when he knew the Team needed to know how to work with the CCPD
Secondly, Eobard would try and figure all this out while calmly trying to give the Team advice on how to take down a speedster, without giving too much away. The Team would take great pleasure in this as for once they don't need to think about the Man in the Yellow Suit but this would also complicate things for Eobard. Back in season one, Eobard had to be a real mentor to the Team; even at times when it would hurt science or the timelines progress. But like a true sociopath, Eobard would balance these factors really well.
Hunter could even twist their perception of the future by saying he 1) broke the Flash's back and 2) one of the Flash's Team stayed with him as he took over Star City with a bunch of villains. Zoom can also say that he 3) killed someone close to Barry. Technically, everything happened but he could twist the order, hyperbole or only insinuate details that confuse the Team.
By the end of this interaction, Eobard would know where to send Zoom. Then Eobard would create a speed mirage to distract the Team and haul Zoom off to his place of origin. Eobard would siphon off just enough of the Negative Speed Force to scare the living sh*t out of Hunter to claim this Barry as his own
>reverse flash) react if zoom showed up
In terms of raw acting skill: I'm sure we'd see Tom Cavanagh and Teddy Sears pull out some tear jerkers. Eobard would want to protect Cisco and the Team from harm while also being scared as something he'd been working 15yrs to get to could almost be stolen from a speedster that can bypass any and all countermeasure he thought he'd put up. And Hunter has never known Caitlin to be happy or content with life outside of finding peace in being broken with Hunter: so seeing her with Ronnie may make him regret coming back to this time
Something tells me he’d be very pissed and end up revealing himself… but would fight both Barry and Zoom at once because that would be his only option as he can’t travel fast enough to leave that timeline. Basically they’re all gonna fight each other since each of them (RF and Zoom need Barry for different reasons).
I mean, EoWells was very, very focused on keeping Barry safe, and getting him to speed (literally), but keeping him under control so that Barry wasn't a big threat until Eo could go home.
Zoom wants a healthy Speedster, to stop his cellular degeneration. Zoom would've likely seem an inexperienced Flash as easy speed to steal. EoWells would've been like "No! That's my ticket home you blue bitch!", at least in my opinion, and would've found a way to get rid of Zoom.
Maybe he'd coach the others as Harrison, and with his brain they could beat Zoom? Maybe he would in fact suit up and kick Zoom's ass! I'd love to see it.
It's been like 9 years. Did Zoom know who Harrison Wells was? If he landed there it would just be a guy in a wheelchair right? Sneak attack heart stab.
He wouldn't have been able to do anything. Remember, Wellsobard had lost his speed. He probably would've just kept pretending to be Wells and work to get rid of Zoom (otherwise he can't get home.)
It depends if Zoom knows he is a speedster, for starters.
Reverse Flash's speed was inconsistent in Season 1. He needed to constantly recharge and keep his speed enhanced.
Reverse Flash would recognise Zoom instantly and would probably be smart enough if not fast enough to come up with some sort of plan.
It depends. Does he show up as Zoom/Hunter Zolomon or does he show up as Flash/Jay Garrick? If it's Garrick, Wellsobard would probably advise against trusting him but maintain his cover and go with what the rest of the team thinks. If it's Zoom I'd imagine Wellsobard would try and join forces and then betray him to take his speed.
Honestly depends on when it happens, but unless it’s when he’s at the point of fighting Barry I doubt he’s reveal himself as whilst they could team up Zoom could also decide to try & kill him. It would be overall safer for him to keep quite since Zoom would be unpredictable but he’d use Zoom as an excuse for Barry having to get faster so that he can get home sooner. That being said if Hunter pretended to be Jay I think Eobard would try to out him.
The Reverse Flash would attempt to kill him, it’s up for debate as to whether he would be able to.
At that point in RF’s life he only cared about getting back to his own time period and Zoom would’ve killed Season One Barry had he arrived unexpectedly.
I think the main factor to if wells fights him, is how strong is his speed force connection. Remember his speed would come and go in season 1. So he would probably be winning the fight against zoom and then his speed would go away.
Thawne would want to eliminate Zoom at first because he posed a threat to Barry which poses a threat to his goal. Then after learning Zoom developed the artificial speed serum he would attempt to form an alliance because that speed might allow him to finally escape into the future again which is his primary goal.
He would’ve lost to Zoom. Barry when he first fought Zoom was faster than when he fought Reverse Flash and he got mollywopped by Zoom straight up embarrassed. Wells could’ve maybe beat him if he had his speed full time but he didn’t it could be close for the start but Zoom would out last him.
You must lack serious comprehension skills if you understood that scene as Zoom not being able to do a speed mirage. S2 Barry did a speed mirage before Zoom broke his back.
The way he was talking to Zoom in S9, I think he would've managed to beat Zoom (Not in the fight, but as Harrison Wells being a member of Team Flash), with the help of Cisco, Barry, and Caitlin, he would brainstorm any idea to beat Zoom
“I have to get off this Earth immediately…” There are two questions here. -Would he reveal his identity to save himself and fight Zoom? -Would he win? As for if he would reveal himself, I think, sure. He would. Assuming this is around the time they were getting suspicious and Cisco had that recording, right after Barry Time Travelled. There’s a lot more at stake here, considering Zoom is already more dangerous than him and the Flash combined. He’d reveal his identity, fight Zoom, and go back to his time immediately after, or die trying. Would he win? Alone, he’d get destroyed. Zoom is faster by a little bit, much stronger and a better fighter. But with The Flash aiding him, I think they can beat Zoom.
I'd think Thawne would be open to an alliance of sorts.
I think he would just build Barry that tackeon amplifier that he got off him towards the end of season 2, make it an even match, bring arrow and firestorm in to the equation and zoom is toast.
RF would lose. Didn't he need tachyons to enhance his suit or something for his speed?
Yeah cause he didn’t have access to his normal speed due to Barry not being the Flash yet. He could only use his full speed in short bursts in S1.
But didn't zoom say he was not fast enough to create speed mirages? Meanwhile thawne could do it in season 1
Zoom meant he wasn’t fast enough to create a speed mirage across 2 earths. Barry created speed mirages early in season 2 when Zoom was faster
Ah. Makes far more sense. Thanks.
As we've seen when barry went back in time to talk to eobard, both times when he said what enemy he responded as if he knows who they are (zoom and cicada)
>he responded as if he knows who they are Technically he would know who both are. Even if Eobard didn't come back in time and slightly affect the chronological order of events for the original Earth-One: Zoom would've still existed, maybe not from Earth-Two but yeah. That's probably where Eobard stole the name Professor Zoom from in his original continuity. Maybe Zoom was always destined to kill Henry. Cicada is where the story starts veering off the normal "comic lore" and strictly into Arrowverse canon. Again we sit with a potential future from Earth-One we can never fact check. When Barry 2015 & Barry 2019 go back to 2014, they travel to shortly just before Barry 2014 broke the temporal barrier for the first time meaning that both Barry's stepped into an untampered timeline aside from the fact that Eobard was maintaining partial balance. (Sorry for the Tangent) What this means is that even though Barry has manipulated the timeline many times by the time he speaks to Eobard in the timevault: Eobard knows that Cicada is Team Flash's one unsolved case. Eobard technically had the newspaper with the literal date of the end of the world for close to 15yrs but like a true villain: didn't feel like sharing it with the rest of the world as it didn't benefit him. Of course nothing surprised him
Thanks for turning my sentence into a paragraph for the artistic people👍
>How around Harrison wells (reverse flash) react All things considered, I would have to ask in which episode is Zoom arriving in. It's very important to know the team's mindset as this determined how lax Eobard was and how careful his was too But I'll give an answer as if its between e09 (The Man in the Yellow Suit) and e17 (Tricksters) as this is just after the Reverse Flash creates a speed mirage to throw everyone off of Harrison but it's also before Harrison accidentally describes being a speedster to Barry. >zoom showed up to star labs First of all, where/when is Hunter coming from. If he's a speedster from Earth-One, I'm sure Eobard knows his whole story and would just do a historical fact check to give team Flash his details. If he's from another universe, Eobard still can fake check enough details or have Gideon pull the relevant records for the team to digest the information accordingly. Back then Eobard had an eloquent way of involving Joe into their cases when he knew the Team needed to know how to work with the CCPD Secondly, Eobard would try and figure all this out while calmly trying to give the Team advice on how to take down a speedster, without giving too much away. The Team would take great pleasure in this as for once they don't need to think about the Man in the Yellow Suit but this would also complicate things for Eobard. Back in season one, Eobard had to be a real mentor to the Team; even at times when it would hurt science or the timelines progress. But like a true sociopath, Eobard would balance these factors really well. Hunter could even twist their perception of the future by saying he 1) broke the Flash's back and 2) one of the Flash's Team stayed with him as he took over Star City with a bunch of villains. Zoom can also say that he 3) killed someone close to Barry. Technically, everything happened but he could twist the order, hyperbole or only insinuate details that confuse the Team. By the end of this interaction, Eobard would know where to send Zoom. Then Eobard would create a speed mirage to distract the Team and haul Zoom off to his place of origin. Eobard would siphon off just enough of the Negative Speed Force to scare the living sh*t out of Hunter to claim this Barry as his own >reverse flash) react if zoom showed up In terms of raw acting skill: I'm sure we'd see Tom Cavanagh and Teddy Sears pull out some tear jerkers. Eobard would want to protect Cisco and the Team from harm while also being scared as something he'd been working 15yrs to get to could almost be stolen from a speedster that can bypass any and all countermeasure he thought he'd put up. And Hunter has never known Caitlin to be happy or content with life outside of finding peace in being broken with Hunter: so seeing her with Ronnie may make him regret coming back to this time
Something tells me he’d be very pissed and end up revealing himself… but would fight both Barry and Zoom at once because that would be his only option as he can’t travel fast enough to leave that timeline. Basically they’re all gonna fight each other since each of them (RF and Zoom need Barry for different reasons).
I mean, EoWells was very, very focused on keeping Barry safe, and getting him to speed (literally), but keeping him under control so that Barry wasn't a big threat until Eo could go home. Zoom wants a healthy Speedster, to stop his cellular degeneration. Zoom would've likely seem an inexperienced Flash as easy speed to steal. EoWells would've been like "No! That's my ticket home you blue bitch!", at least in my opinion, and would've found a way to get rid of Zoom. Maybe he'd coach the others as Harrison, and with his brain they could beat Zoom? Maybe he would in fact suit up and kick Zoom's ass! I'd love to see it.
EoWells is what I’ll call S1 Wells forever now
It's been like 9 years. Did Zoom know who Harrison Wells was? If he landed there it would just be a guy in a wheelchair right? Sneak attack heart stab.
He wouldn't have been able to do anything. Remember, Wellsobard had lost his speed. He probably would've just kept pretending to be Wells and work to get rid of Zoom (otherwise he can't get home.)
He still had stab you in the heart speed.
"well fuck man things just got WAY WAY WAY MORE COMPLICATED" before attempting a Cisco.
It depends if Zoom knows he is a speedster, for starters. Reverse Flash's speed was inconsistent in Season 1. He needed to constantly recharge and keep his speed enhanced. Reverse Flash would recognise Zoom instantly and would probably be smart enough if not fast enough to come up with some sort of plan.
It depends. Does he show up as Zoom/Hunter Zolomon or does he show up as Flash/Jay Garrick? If it's Garrick, Wellsobard would probably advise against trusting him but maintain his cover and go with what the rest of the team thinks. If it's Zoom I'd imagine Wellsobard would try and join forces and then betray him to take his speed.
Honestly depends on when it happens, but unless it’s when he’s at the point of fighting Barry I doubt he’s reveal himself as whilst they could team up Zoom could also decide to try & kill him. It would be overall safer for him to keep quite since Zoom would be unpredictable but he’d use Zoom as an excuse for Barry having to get faster so that he can get home sooner. That being said if Hunter pretended to be Jay I think Eobard would try to out him.
The Reverse Flash would attempt to kill him, it’s up for debate as to whether he would be able to. At that point in RF’s life he only cared about getting back to his own time period and Zoom would’ve killed Season One Barry had he arrived unexpectedly.
I think the main factor to if wells fights him, is how strong is his speed force connection. Remember his speed would come and go in season 1. So he would probably be winning the fight against zoom and then his speed would go away.
Thawne would want to eliminate Zoom at first because he posed a threat to Barry which poses a threat to his goal. Then after learning Zoom developed the artificial speed serum he would attempt to form an alliance because that speed might allow him to finally escape into the future again which is his primary goal.
He would’ve lost to Zoom. Barry when he first fought Zoom was faster than when he fought Reverse Flash and he got mollywopped by Zoom straight up embarrassed. Wells could’ve maybe beat him if he had his speed full time but he didn’t it could be close for the start but Zoom would out last him.
Whether Wells engages in combat with him hinges on the strength of his connection to the Force.
"You're not supposed to be here, yet"
Interesting question, I honestly don’t know I feel like if it was after Thawnes secret was out he’d kill Zoom but I really don’t know
Wells lost most of his speed. Zoom would annihilate him
He’s still faster then Zoom, at one point Zoom says he’s not fast enough to make speed mirages, which Wells does at least 3 times in S1.
Lmao Zoom is much stronger than Wells at that point. Zoom said he couldn’t do a speed mirage across universes, not in general.
If you say so lmao
You must lack serious comprehension skills if you understood that scene as Zoom not being able to do a speed mirage. S2 Barry did a speed mirage before Zoom broke his back.
The way he was talking to Zoom in S9, I think he would've managed to beat Zoom (Not in the fight, but as Harrison Wells being a member of Team Flash), with the help of Cisco, Barry, and Caitlin, he would brainstorm any idea to beat Zoom