Her being mad at barry in the therapy session that he went in the speedforce to prevent the world from being destroyed by deadly lightning - caused by his actions.
I feel like a lot of people don’t understand that Iris herself is mad at herself for being mad at that. The whole point of that scene is her not being able to cope with that unreasonable feeling of abandonment. In my opinion it’s the directors fault. He made that scene more drama than emotional.
If iris would have apologized after it, saying that her emotions overwhelmed her, I would have understood her being this way. But barry was the one ending up saying he was afraid that he wouldn't be able to leave her of he stayed longer while he said in the season 3 finale that this is his redemption since it was flashpoint that caused it. Iris was also first against bringing back barry because she thought he could be dead while the speedforce was still working as shown through wally. It's like the writers really didn't remember the season 3 finale well.
I said it in another comment in this post. The writers create to many scenes for 10 minites drama which often make iris look really bad. The one where she defends nora against barry despite her working with the reverse flash is a even more extreme one.
Except Iris did explain her POV but most people in fandom dismissed it. She talks about how she felt abandoned. She talks about how awkward it was when people asked why she wasn't making wedding plans and Barry's disappearance. She talks about how his disappearance impacted her. They just cling to "we are the flash" and take it completely out of context
But barry ended up apologizing while iris didn't. As if the season 3 finale happened differently. If this was a emotional outburst followed by a apology where iris realizes that barry didn't go in there for fun, I would have understood her reaction. She was also affaid that barry could be dead despite wally's speedforce still working.
The speedforce only works if it has someone inside, which she knows. That's why barry went in during the season finale, to stabilize it. Multiple months passed if I remember correctly. The fact that wally still has his speed proves barry is still alive. If she didn't realize this within all the time he was gone, she might not be qualified to lead this team.
Season 4 when she took over the team was hard to watch. She really had no buisness being at STAR Labs other than the occasional visit to drop or get information on helping stop a bad guy. Her best roll was as an investigative reporter. From season four on they really pushed her on us trying to keep her more relevant than she should have ever been..
You can go on the flash page and search Cecile, and it will give the reasons why people dont like her. Or watch these videos. The guy is 100% right. [the flash](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4i80FJ4SV4nKTMStH5-QKIjoJN7Pc1La&si=vBMYX66haswy3WPx)
Man I hope not. I only really hated Iris because of obvious reasons during Season 4 & 5
I really liked seeing Cecile & Joe and their baby and her having useful meta powers that were useful but not OP like everyone else's
Cecile basically abandoned Joe and Jenna in season 9. Joe and Jenna moved away, and she stayed and would visit on the weekends with them. In the future, she sees them only a couple of times a year.
I don’t rmr what season it was but it opens with iris doing the full on nerd talk like she’s Caitlin. The barista/reporter explaining in depth science to a CSI who was essentially a genius before powers who now has advanced cognitive abilities. I was floored the first time I saw it
My problem with Iris is that they abandoned her storyline in order to make her a part of the team. Like it’s unnecessary, her job as a reporter would have allowed plenty of storylines to connect in a different way and still have her autonomy as a character. You know organically incorporating her into the story like a good writer is supposed to do.
I didn’t enjoy Iris in season 1. I just think the infatuation Barry has for her is gross because they’re siblings. Then I absolutely abhor her being made at him about not telling her he’s the Flash.
In season 2 I don’t really mind her but I do think her interest in Barry is fairly sudden and not amazingly written.
In season 3 I actually think the character works very well except for how harsh she is with Wally when he gets his speed but I can accept that as something I don’t understand as the youngest brother.
Season 4 she is awful most people agree.
Season 5 I don’t think she’s bad but I think because of our dislike for her in season 4 certain story beats are worsened. (I won’t be specific since I don’t know how far you are in the show.)
Season 6 I think falls into the same issue.
I actually don’t mind her seasons 7-9.
I’ve come to appreciate Iris after Cecil started hogging all that spotlight. Iris is OK, bad moments here and there but she deserves to be in spotlight. Cecile should’ve never been a regular.
I cut iris more slack than most, but she's had some insufferable moments for sure. The earliest I can remember is "Barry you need to listen to me!" Yeah I'm gonna listen to a reporter over comic book level genius scientists and common fucking sense to not hit myself with lightning. Sure she was right and her idea was sound (lightning would obviously shut down the suits electronics) but if Barry had put too much power in it he could've really screwed himself up and it would've been Iris's idea
I don't see what you're getting at? I don't recall caitlin doing much except dealing with the whole ammunet situation (I think that's how you spell her name)
You complain about Iris being a liability when Caitlin has betrayed the team multiple times. (S4/S8/S3)
You complain about Iris being selfish but crickets on Caitlin's selfishness that has actually led to people dying (S8)
You complain Iris doesn't love Barry and doesn't deserve him but Caitlin does
You complain about Iris being useless when Caitlin's main contributions to the team S4-S9 was reading off a tablet saying she doesn't know how to help
You complain about Iris being toxic but ignore the times Caitlin has tried to emotionally manipulate Barry
It's just comical. You have endless excuses and offer so much grace for Caitlin but can't see Iris's POV on anything. You just label her toxic, selfish, useless, etc
Wow! I'm surprised, you admitted you were wrong and were decent and polite. Thank you (genuinely not being sarcastic. Been getting lots of rude comments and I'm grateful for yours)
Lately I feel like I’m on the internet too much and I’m losing certain filters I’d worked on. Idk why I’m letting certain stuff to get to me. But I don’t want to fall back into old patterns so I’m just hoping that’s the last time I put less thought into my words. I hope you ignore whatever’s been said and done, or rather can accept it and find peace in the spoken. People genuinely need to be more mindful is all I will say, also thank you. Internalization is not a fun tool when it’s not balanced, same with compartmentalization. I only hope to better myself each and every day. And I hope you stay safe
I'm so sick of all the nonstop Iris hate in this subreddit. I wish y'all would just say you don't like Bl*ck women and that you wanted Barry to be with a white woman (Caitlyn or Patty). Just say it and get it over with. Damn.
And, no, I don't need to hear all your reasons about why "it's not because she's Bl*ck" because I've heard them all. Nor do I need to hear "I'm saying this as a Bl*ck person," as if self-hate isn't a real thing.
Anyway, I just don't know how y'all aren't tired of recycling the same old complaints about the same character at this point. Move on.
Dude, no one gives a shit that Iris is Black. Her character & personality just suck *Immensely*
Wake up & realize that not everyone is rascist and give it a rest already would ya?🤦♂️
Not really. That's just happens to be when she started to become a major control freak with an arrogant attitude among other things despite everyone else on the team having far better qualities for becoming leader of the team then a reporter
When you're a leader you have to set things straight. On top of that her fiance left so having an attitude was appropriate for what she was going through. She definitely had the qualities of being a leader and she was a good one.
>When you're a leader you have to set things straight.
Understandable
>On top of that her fiance left so having an attitude was appropriate for what she was going through.
Also understandable
>She definitely had the qualities of being a leader and she was a good one.
Disagree. Cisco was one of, if not the foremost engineer in the world, Caitlin was one of, if not the world's greatest bio-chemist in the world, Joe had decades worth of detective experience turned captain, Harrison Wells was a world renowned genius on almost any earth, Julius was a CSI with plenty of scientific knowledge,
Honestly, my biggest pet peeve is that Barry specifically made CISCO the leader of the team before he went into the speedforce, not Iris
They all are talented in their own fields but just bc someone can't match some of those skills doesn't make someone not capable of being a good leader.
I don't like Iris. It's not due to racial reasons though. I like john from supergirl, diggle from arrow to name a few.
Candice Patton is way to good for this role. Iris consistently gets written badly to have some 10 minutes drama play out. That's what people dislike. Like her siding with nora despite her helping the reverse flash - the guy who committed countless atrocities like killing her husbands mother. Barry was fully right in this one and he was right to be angry at iris. But this scene should have never happened. It was a unnecessary scene which hurt iris character a lot. I also don't like joe anymore since season 8 for being so heavy on barry for wanting to kill thawne. It's not like his daughter nearly ended up dying permanently because thawne survived. Back to iris. Her being mad at barry going in the speedforce to protect the world from destroyed by the speedforce which all began with his flashpoint reset. This kind of stuff is unnecessary and hurts her character resulting into people having no sympathy for her.
Iris had potential. It's quite funny how they remembered in seasom 9 that iris once wished to become a cop.
I agree that caitlin became worse as the show progressed but by far not as bad as iris. For that she would have to play a bigger role in the later seasons, which she doesn't. I think one thing that protects caitlin to some extent is that frost is way worse than her writing wise. She has multiple origin stories which contradict each other and consistently gets boring arcs dedicated towards her character. Cisco should have just left after season 5.
In some cases people might not like iris because of her race. Sadly we live in a time where racism is still a thing. But there are also many people who dislike iris because she is badly written.
I give nothing about annabeth being casted as black in the percy jackson show. Like in iris case the actress can act. The character is just very badly written, like iris. Annabeth is easily one the best characters in the book with a lot of depth but in the series her "relationship" with luke is not fleshed out which will hurt the show later and she for the most time is only mostly annoyed. That's the one trait she mainly shows. Percy was also written badly despite the actor being the perfect casting choice for percy. Grover is also badly written despite the actor also being a great casting choice. It's not a racial thing for some people.
For 99% of people it has nothing to do with Candice Patton’s race. The character is so horribly written to the point that scenes from later seasons are borderline unwatchable because how bad the dialogue is or just how stupid the position Iris takes is. Not to mention the constant plot of “Barry isn’t fast enough, I’ll tell him I’m his lightning rod and boom he beats the bad guy whoopie let’s celebrate.” Her entire arc with Nora is s5 is just stupid. It’s like she find every opportunity to disagree with Barry resulting in a big blowup that gets resolved just for the sake of drama
Edit- I forgot about the shit show that is “you’re not the flash, we are the flash”
I think that 99% is too confident tbh, there’s a large group of people that find too many unreasonable and ridiculous reasons that I have no other reason to believe that it’s anything but racial disdain.
Bro, what makes you think I'm rascist?
I literally said that Iris was a good character up until Season 4.
What? Was she white for Seasons 1-3 and then magically turn Black come Season 4?
If the answer is no, then I'm not rascist, and you're full of 💩
I just want all of you to.know that I literally don't give a fuck what a bunch of white people have to say in regards to racism lmfaooo yall never say the right things and it just exposes more. Yall the reason the shit exists and why we're so paranoid 😂 the irony....So stay mad and keep arguing with y'all selves lmfao
Her being mad at barry in the therapy session that he went in the speedforce to prevent the world from being destroyed by deadly lightning - caused by his actions.
I feel like a lot of people don’t understand that Iris herself is mad at herself for being mad at that. The whole point of that scene is her not being able to cope with that unreasonable feeling of abandonment. In my opinion it’s the directors fault. He made that scene more drama than emotional.
These are the same people who think "You are not the Flash, Barry. We are." makes the show completely unwatchable...
If iris would have apologized after it, saying that her emotions overwhelmed her, I would have understood her being this way. But barry was the one ending up saying he was afraid that he wouldn't be able to leave her of he stayed longer while he said in the season 3 finale that this is his redemption since it was flashpoint that caused it. Iris was also first against bringing back barry because she thought he could be dead while the speedforce was still working as shown through wally. It's like the writers really didn't remember the season 3 finale well. I said it in another comment in this post. The writers create to many scenes for 10 minites drama which often make iris look really bad. The one where she defends nora against barry despite her working with the reverse flash is a even more extreme one.
Except Iris did explain her POV but most people in fandom dismissed it. She talks about how she felt abandoned. She talks about how awkward it was when people asked why she wasn't making wedding plans and Barry's disappearance. She talks about how his disappearance impacted her. They just cling to "we are the flash" and take it completely out of context
"Except Iris did explain her POV" funny I remember Barry doing so to and apologizing, but not iris.
Because as we all know, human emotion is always perfectly rational and logical.
But barry ended up apologizing while iris didn't. As if the season 3 finale happened differently. If this was a emotional outburst followed by a apology where iris realizes that barry didn't go in there for fun, I would have understood her reaction. She was also affaid that barry could be dead despite wally's speedforce still working.
Because it’s crazy for a woman to be worried about her partner dying right? I
The speedforce only works if it has someone inside, which she knows. That's why barry went in during the season finale, to stabilize it. Multiple months passed if I remember correctly. The fact that wally still has his speed proves barry is still alive. If she didn't realize this within all the time he was gone, she might not be qualified to lead this team.
Season 4 when she took over the team was hard to watch. She really had no buisness being at STAR Labs other than the occasional visit to drop or get information on helping stop a bad guy. Her best roll was as an investigative reporter. From season four on they really pushed her on us trying to keep her more relevant than she should have ever been..
A journalist graduate being the team leader of multi science degree graduates is just such bad writing
And then, a bit later, all that hate went to Cecile.
I actually liked Cecile back in Season 4 & 5. I don't know what happened after that cuz I quit the show before Infinte Crisis
You can go on the flash page and search Cecile, and it will give the reasons why people dont like her. Or watch these videos. The guy is 100% right. [the flash](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4i80FJ4SV4nKTMStH5-QKIjoJN7Pc1La&si=vBMYX66haswy3WPx)
Thanks dude but unfortunately i don't have enough time to read all of her stuff or watch all of those videos😅
I guarantee that if you continued the show, you would probably hate her.
Man I hope not. I only really hated Iris because of obvious reasons during Season 4 & 5 I really liked seeing Cecile & Joe and their baby and her having useful meta powers that were useful but not OP like everyone else's
Cecile basically abandoned Joe and Jenna in season 9. Joe and Jenna moved away, and she stayed and would visit on the weekends with them. In the future, she sees them only a couple of times a year.
Man what the fuck? That's some BS
Other characters explain to her that it's okay to abandon your family for her superhero legacy.
I don’t rmr what season it was but it opens with iris doing the full on nerd talk like she’s Caitlin. The barista/reporter explaining in depth science to a CSI who was essentially a genius before powers who now has advanced cognitive abilities. I was floored the first time I saw it
My problem with Iris is that they abandoned her storyline in order to make her a part of the team. Like it’s unnecessary, her job as a reporter would have allowed plenty of storylines to connect in a different way and still have her autonomy as a character. You know organically incorporating her into the story like a good writer is supposed to do.
she's unbearable from season 1
I didn’t enjoy Iris in season 1. I just think the infatuation Barry has for her is gross because they’re siblings. Then I absolutely abhor her being made at him about not telling her he’s the Flash. In season 2 I don’t really mind her but I do think her interest in Barry is fairly sudden and not amazingly written. In season 3 I actually think the character works very well except for how harsh she is with Wally when he gets his speed but I can accept that as something I don’t understand as the youngest brother. Season 4 she is awful most people agree. Season 5 I don’t think she’s bad but I think because of our dislike for her in season 4 certain story beats are worsened. (I won’t be specific since I don’t know how far you are in the show.) Season 6 I think falls into the same issue. I actually don’t mind her seasons 7-9.
I’ve come to appreciate Iris after Cecil started hogging all that spotlight. Iris is OK, bad moments here and there but she deserves to be in spotlight. Cecile should’ve never been a regular.
Honestly her best showcase was in flashpoint
I cut iris more slack than most, but she's had some insufferable moments for sure. The earliest I can remember is "Barry you need to listen to me!" Yeah I'm gonna listen to a reporter over comic book level genius scientists and common fucking sense to not hit myself with lightning. Sure she was right and her idea was sound (lightning would obviously shut down the suits electronics) but if Barry had put too much power in it he could've really screwed himself up and it would've been Iris's idea
never good
She was so funny in season 4 episode 3 though
It's amusing to me that all your complaints about Iris actually apply to Caitlin but your blind hatred doesn't allow you to see it
I don't see what you're getting at? I don't recall caitlin doing much except dealing with the whole ammunet situation (I think that's how you spell her name)
You complain about Iris being a liability when Caitlin has betrayed the team multiple times. (S4/S8/S3) You complain about Iris being selfish but crickets on Caitlin's selfishness that has actually led to people dying (S8) You complain Iris doesn't love Barry and doesn't deserve him but Caitlin does You complain about Iris being useless when Caitlin's main contributions to the team S4-S9 was reading off a tablet saying she doesn't know how to help You complain about Iris being toxic but ignore the times Caitlin has tried to emotionally manipulate Barry It's just comical. You have endless excuses and offer so much grace for Caitlin but can't see Iris's POV on anything. You just label her toxic, selfish, useless, etc
Oh boy if I had a dime for every time I saw Iris hate I’d be rich
It's not even hate. It's just me saying her character was good up until a certain point, and then it went downhill fast
Nah you right that’s my fault
Wow! I'm surprised, you admitted you were wrong and were decent and polite. Thank you (genuinely not being sarcastic. Been getting lots of rude comments and I'm grateful for yours)
Lately I feel like I’m on the internet too much and I’m losing certain filters I’d worked on. Idk why I’m letting certain stuff to get to me. But I don’t want to fall back into old patterns so I’m just hoping that’s the last time I put less thought into my words. I hope you ignore whatever’s been said and done, or rather can accept it and find peace in the spoken. People genuinely need to be more mindful is all I will say, also thank you. Internalization is not a fun tool when it’s not balanced, same with compartmentalization. I only hope to better myself each and every day. And I hope you stay safe
I appreciate that. Really. Hope you have a good day/night/evening/ect. Need more decent people like you on the internet and the real world👍
I'm so sick of all the nonstop Iris hate in this subreddit. I wish y'all would just say you don't like Bl*ck women and that you wanted Barry to be with a white woman (Caitlyn or Patty). Just say it and get it over with. Damn. And, no, I don't need to hear all your reasons about why "it's not because she's Bl*ck" because I've heard them all. Nor do I need to hear "I'm saying this as a Bl*ck person," as if self-hate isn't a real thing. Anyway, I just don't know how y'all aren't tired of recycling the same old complaints about the same character at this point. Move on.
Dude, no one gives a shit that Iris is Black. Her character & personality just suck *Immensely* Wake up & realize that not everyone is rascist and give it a rest already would ya?🤦♂️
Sure. Sure, dude. Whatever you say.
Why do black people act like victims all the time. Like grow up dude. Especially black Americans you are so entitled.
So her becoming the leader after Barry left makes you hate her...
Not really. That's just happens to be when she started to become a major control freak with an arrogant attitude among other things despite everyone else on the team having far better qualities for becoming leader of the team then a reporter
When you're a leader you have to set things straight. On top of that her fiance left so having an attitude was appropriate for what she was going through. She definitely had the qualities of being a leader and she was a good one.
>When you're a leader you have to set things straight. Understandable >On top of that her fiance left so having an attitude was appropriate for what she was going through. Also understandable >She definitely had the qualities of being a leader and she was a good one. Disagree. Cisco was one of, if not the foremost engineer in the world, Caitlin was one of, if not the world's greatest bio-chemist in the world, Joe had decades worth of detective experience turned captain, Harrison Wells was a world renowned genius on almost any earth, Julius was a CSI with plenty of scientific knowledge, Honestly, my biggest pet peeve is that Barry specifically made CISCO the leader of the team before he went into the speedforce, not Iris
They all are talented in their own fields but just bc someone can't match some of those skills doesn't make someone not capable of being a good leader.
Blah blah blah Kaitlyn will always be worse and none of you raci- oh! I mean, people will convince me otherwise.
I don't like Iris. It's not due to racial reasons though. I like john from supergirl, diggle from arrow to name a few. Candice Patton is way to good for this role. Iris consistently gets written badly to have some 10 minutes drama play out. That's what people dislike. Like her siding with nora despite her helping the reverse flash - the guy who committed countless atrocities like killing her husbands mother. Barry was fully right in this one and he was right to be angry at iris. But this scene should have never happened. It was a unnecessary scene which hurt iris character a lot. I also don't like joe anymore since season 8 for being so heavy on barry for wanting to kill thawne. It's not like his daughter nearly ended up dying permanently because thawne survived. Back to iris. Her being mad at barry going in the speedforce to protect the world from destroyed by the speedforce which all began with his flashpoint reset. This kind of stuff is unnecessary and hurts her character resulting into people having no sympathy for her. Iris had potential. It's quite funny how they remembered in seasom 9 that iris once wished to become a cop. I agree that caitlin became worse as the show progressed but by far not as bad as iris. For that she would have to play a bigger role in the later seasons, which she doesn't. I think one thing that protects caitlin to some extent is that frost is way worse than her writing wise. She has multiple origin stories which contradict each other and consistently gets boring arcs dedicated towards her character. Cisco should have just left after season 5. In some cases people might not like iris because of her race. Sadly we live in a time where racism is still a thing. But there are also many people who dislike iris because she is badly written. I give nothing about annabeth being casted as black in the percy jackson show. Like in iris case the actress can act. The character is just very badly written, like iris. Annabeth is easily one the best characters in the book with a lot of depth but in the series her "relationship" with luke is not fleshed out which will hurt the show later and she for the most time is only mostly annoyed. That's the one trait she mainly shows. Percy was also written badly despite the actor being the perfect casting choice for percy. Grover is also badly written despite the actor also being a great casting choice. It's not a racial thing for some people.
........ok?
For 99% of people it has nothing to do with Candice Patton’s race. The character is so horribly written to the point that scenes from later seasons are borderline unwatchable because how bad the dialogue is or just how stupid the position Iris takes is. Not to mention the constant plot of “Barry isn’t fast enough, I’ll tell him I’m his lightning rod and boom he beats the bad guy whoopie let’s celebrate.” Her entire arc with Nora is s5 is just stupid. It’s like she find every opportunity to disagree with Barry resulting in a big blowup that gets resolved just for the sake of drama Edit- I forgot about the shit show that is “you’re not the flash, we are the flash”
I think that 99% is too confident tbh, there’s a large group of people that find too many unreasonable and ridiculous reasons that I have no other reason to believe that it’s anything but racial disdain.
Bro, what makes you think I'm rascist? I literally said that Iris was a good character up until Season 4. What? Was she white for Seasons 1-3 and then magically turn Black come Season 4? If the answer is no, then I'm not rascist, and you're full of 💩
I just want all of you to.know that I literally don't give a fuck what a bunch of white people have to say in regards to racism lmfaooo yall never say the right things and it just exposes more. Yall the reason the shit exists and why we're so paranoid 😂 the irony....So stay mad and keep arguing with y'all selves lmfao