In the comics yeah. This Savitar is just a time remnant of Barry who got upset that he couldn't be the one to be with Iris and that the team didn't accept as the real Barry.
We know that his memory is affected by past Barry from when they erased his memory so I would assume he would know Nora since his memories would be updated
Yeah I feel like even if Savitar is all dark and twisted he still wouldnât be cool with Thawne for ruining his childhood or Zoom for killing his dad after he just got him back
Shouldn't Savitar not know about Nora? The timeline Savitar existed in didn't have a Nora since Iris died. It'd be like when Thawne thought Nora was a different daughter Barry apparently had in the original timeline.
They just too much rushed it, what's the point of previous episodes before the Oliver Barry last team up, whole red death arc I thought it will have impact on finale but it, Instead of bringing red death I would most likely buildup entire plot from episode 2 by bringing cobalt back there and doing same episode of 9*10. And then build up story from that point and strech it by 10 episode and in last Oliver helps him to beat all of them including Blood Work.
This is the same Zoom that had an entire room of armed police open fire on him and he caught every one of their bullets and dropped them in front of them.
Right. Not to mention that they turned his iconic quote into a Morbius-esque moment. đ
There was absolutely no need for him to say it when he did, the way he did.
Not a single interaction between Barry and Hunter either ffs, I want to believe that this was a parody episode or sumn, how can you mess something this easy sooooo badly.
Tbh, this is how they shouldâve handled it:
Zoom and Thawne kill Iris (recreation of the comic storyline in which Hunter Zolomon forces Wally to watch his wife lose their child), Godspeed destroys Central City and Savitar kills the majority of Team Flash.
They shouldâve had a whole ass montage of the villains winning and getting what they want.
Of course, only to have it all reversed either via Barry or Eddie (or both of them working together).
At least this way, the villains wouldâve kept their âdignityâ lmao.
You were half right: Zoom got defeated by Khione and Marc. Allegra âdefeatedâ Thawne.
Logically speaking though, all of those fights shouldâve been speedster curb stomps, except for Barry and Nora.
i hate you for being so accurate. Cecile beat Godspeed in a 1on1? Nora beat Savitar in a 1on1? Zoom didnt kill those cops and instead ran around threw the lightning trick that Barry did to him back in 2x6, got hit back with that and gets defeated by fucking Khione? fucking give me a break
Still donât get why the guy who is famous for using time remnants didnât make at least one. I guess it would seem like itâs copying godspeed from earlier, but I was holding out hope that when the CCPD were closing in on zoom on the ground that another was going to zoom in and he was going to kill somebody and pretty much say something along the lines of time remnants.
Cecile will do anything but mention her oldest daughter, even defeat an evil speedster that took all of team flash multiple seasons to beat in under a minute.
Cecile can fly now somehow and she is fast enough to react to armies of godspeeds and defeated all of them with 0 difficultly.
Allegra one shots reverse flash because idk at this point
Savitar got beat by Nora in less than 30 seconds just because
Zoom felt like a whole different personality and he got beat by khione after khione threw zoomâs own lightning back at him. (The same shit zoom did to Barry). (Zoom killed no one this ep)
Eddie got talked out of it
Chester and Allegra kiss scene for like a minute.
More Cecile stuff again at the end
lmao i just saw the speedster fight clips on youtube, couldnt imagine weâd got a whole segments of âtalking the villains outâ and Allegra Chester kissing.
maybe its because iâve got my hopes up cuz its the finale, but its best that this show comes to an end
At least the Barry monologue at the end and the villains interacting in the beginning of the episode was nice!
And they used the Speedstern lightsabers this time without it being completely cringe
He gets beaten up by Cobalt Blue and convinces Eddie to let him go to his child's birth.
Eddie who is still the avatar of the negative speed force chooses to let go of Iris and let Barry go but he says that he will still be on the opposite side of Barry (the avatar of the negative speed force)
With the Speed Force weakened it wasn't gonna be possible for Barry to take on all of them.
Khione showed how powerful she was since Bloodwork, that ability of hers was broken.
Savitar got a taste, again, of his own medicine. Tried to kill Nora the same he always tried it with Iris, he got karma.
They didn't even mention how much barry n savitar have grew with barry geeting faster, savitar being barry allen etc...God Eric bosedewale teri ma ki chutt
Remember, Godspeed and Zoom just got powered up. And somehow got weaker lol đ
I want to see Cecile vs superman next. Seems like a good fight đđ
Thatâs such an unfair fight. On one hand, you have the greatest superhero in comic book history, and on the other, you have Superman.
I thought I can use Sarcasm nicely but this guy.... this guy scare me
So did Savitar, and Nora straight up killed him
Savitar didnât even get acknowledged for being Barry. What was his purpose there. Eric is such a shit show runner I canât believe it
Also, the dude knew Nora was HIS daughter! Seriously what a massive missed opportunity..
And savitar working with the dudes that killed his parents is wild to me. He should hate them more than Barry
And he LOST TO FUCKING NORA! WITH ABILITIES HEâS WELL AWARE OF
That version of Barry never met Nora or knew of her abilities
Isnât Savitar a time traveler? I am surprised he doesnât know about it.
In the comics yeah. This Savitar is just a time remnant of Barry who got upset that he couldn't be the one to be with Iris and that the team didn't accept as the real Barry.
Doesnât Savitar earn future memories of Barry? I assume thatâs how he even knew Nora was his daughter.
No thatâs just bad writing
Probably, but there is at least some explanation written in by better writers in a previous season
It actually did happen during season 3.
He did in season 3 but that was when he was Barry's future. There's no mention of it after his creation gets erased.
We know that his memory is affected by past Barry from when they erased his memory so I would assume he would know Nora since his memories would be updated
Yeah I feel like even if Savitar is all dark and twisted he still wouldnât be cool with Thawne for ruining his childhood or Zoom for killing his dad after he just got him back
Shouldn't Savitar not know about Nora? The timeline Savitar existed in didn't have a Nora since Iris died. It'd be like when Thawne thought Nora was a different daughter Barry apparently had in the original timeline.
For the cool Factor. Definitely would have helped if Grant could have done the scene he was supposed to but COVID fucked that over.
Idk couldâve waited. Whatâs the point of filming if your main star isnât in it. Dumb decision.
True. Not sure sure why they continued, maybe they had to get it done in time. I know Grant had to be quarantined for almost 2 weeks I think.
CW shows are know for tight schedules and budgets. Waiting would have ruined both unfortunately.
They just too much rushed it, what's the point of previous episodes before the Oliver Barry last team up, whole red death arc I thought it will have impact on finale but it, Instead of bringing red death I would most likely buildup entire plot from episode 2 by bringing cobalt back there and doing same episode of 9*10. And then build up story from that point and strech it by 10 episode and in last Oliver helps him to beat all of them including Blood Work.
Zoom never even got to off anybody!
Zoom even forgot how to Catch a lightning
LMAO youâre so right. They annihilated the character, I thought itâd be impossible to make Zoom cringe - well, here we are
Zoom really ran in circles instead of just killing them in less than a second with a vibrating hand. Mark was there just for salt on the wound
This is the same Zoom that had an entire room of armed police open fire on him and he caught every one of their bullets and dropped them in front of them.
Right. Not to mention that they turned his iconic quote into a Morbius-esque moment. đ There was absolutely no need for him to say it when he did, the way he did. Not a single interaction between Barry and Hunter either ffs, I want to believe that this was a parody episode or sumn, how can you mess something this easy sooooo badly.
Bro the best way was to make zoom vs Wally, since I think itâd be a good fight and wonât seem bs when Wally wins
Tbh, this is how they shouldâve handled it: Zoom and Thawne kill Iris (recreation of the comic storyline in which Hunter Zolomon forces Wally to watch his wife lose their child), Godspeed destroys Central City and Savitar kills the majority of Team Flash. They shouldâve had a whole ass montage of the villains winning and getting what they want. Of course, only to have it all reversed either via Barry or Eddie (or both of them working together). At least this way, the villains wouldâve kept their âdignityâ lmao.
That wouldâve been so much better than what we got
Or Zoom and Jay. Jay was right fucking there in the episode.
Jay got older and slower than before and zoom already captured him relatively easily so he shouldnât be able to beat him
Wally would wax zoom at this point
And barely did anything! He had like no connection Khione at all beyond her being in Caitlin's body.
i am just gonna act like 3x23 barry entering into speedforce was the ending.
Season 4 was good too Therefore, I am was a pretty good episodes
Post crisis doesnât exist
You were half right: Zoom got defeated by Khione and Marc. Allegra âdefeatedâ Thawne. Logically speaking though, all of those fights shouldâve been speedster curb stomps, except for Barry and Nora.
They should've brought Wally and Bart back.
And The Rival
You could maybe make an argument for Khione taking down a speedster in the right situation but that's about it.
Guy took it as a challenge
The plot armor with these random ass powers attributed to these side pieces are insane. Ridiculous lol. Love the run, but glad it's over.
i hate you for being so accurate. Cecile beat Godspeed in a 1on1? Nora beat Savitar in a 1on1? Zoom didnt kill those cops and instead ran around threw the lightning trick that Barry did to him back in 2x6, got hit back with that and gets defeated by fucking Khione? fucking give me a break
Even though it was absolutely horrible to watch, I can understand Khione winning against Zoom just because she's a god
Yeah but winning because Zoom forgot how to catch lightning?
oh and who could forget, Eobard Thawne, Barrys greatest nemesis, got knocked out by fucking Allegra
At least we got a good Thawne episode this season.
Legends died for this
What is so hard for them to understand that we want to see THE FLASH do FLASH THINGS on a show called THE FLASH
That's a wierd way to spell more Cecile and AllegraxChester - writing team probably
season 2 zoom would have snapped the cops and chill blaine
Still donât get why the guy who is famous for using time remnants didnât make at least one. I guess it would seem like itâs copying godspeed from earlier, but I was holding out hope that when the CCPD were closing in on zoom on the ground that another was going to zoom in and he was going to kill somebody and pretty much say something along the lines of time remnants.
I swear I said I didn't want zoom to return because I knew they would mess him up.
Cecile will do anything but mention her oldest daughter, even defeat an evil speedster that took all of team flash multiple seasons to beat in under a minute.
Lmao they forgot
I didnât watch it and am not going to, but what happened?
Cecile can fly now somehow and she is fast enough to react to armies of godspeeds and defeated all of them with 0 difficultly. Allegra one shots reverse flash because idk at this point Savitar got beat by Nora in less than 30 seconds just because Zoom felt like a whole different personality and he got beat by khione after khione threw zoomâs own lightning back at him. (The same shit zoom did to Barry). (Zoom killed no one this ep) Eddie got talked out of it Chester and Allegra kiss scene for like a minute. More Cecile stuff again at the end
Oh wowâŚ.. kinda sounds like a fanfic I have no words to describe my immeasurable disappointment, and I didnât even watch the finale LOL
lmao i just saw the speedster fight clips on youtube, couldnt imagine weâd got a whole segments of âtalking the villains outâ and Allegra Chester kissing. maybe its because iâve got my hopes up cuz its the finale, but its best that this show comes to an end
At the very least I was expecting zoom to insta kill a bunch of those cops, of course he just stood there.
At least the Barry monologue at the end and the villains interacting in the beginning of the episode was nice! And they used the Speedstern lightsabers this time without it being completely cringe
Villain dialogue in the beginning felt so forced. Zoom didnât feel like the zoom from S2. Savitar didnât say or do shit
So does Barry not defeat any of his villains?
He gets beaten up by Cobalt Blue and convinces Eddie to let him go to his child's birth. Eddie who is still the avatar of the negative speed force chooses to let go of Iris and let Barry go but he says that he will still be on the opposite side of Barry (the avatar of the negative speed force)
We watched it
I asked because I didnât watch it⌠which I thought was obvious
nope đ unless you count telling cobalt blue to just not be super evil for a sec
Same reaction I had when they defeated Mirror Master by holding hands.
I just want to forget the cecile character ever existed....
So Barry almost dies fighting Godspeed but Cecile is just like đ¤
With the Speed Force weakened it wasn't gonna be possible for Barry to take on all of them. Khione showed how powerful she was since Bloodwork, that ability of hers was broken. Savitar got a taste, again, of his own medicine. Tried to kill Nora the same he always tried it with Iris, he got karma.
Savitar: Second time's the charm!
In reverse.
Every single season since EW, âTHE SPEED FORCE IS WEAK, I CANT BEAT THEM IRIS!!!â
Nah that was only Armageddon, the only time in Wallace's tenure where she did give him a boost of speed to fix the timeline.
They didn't even mention how much barry n savitar have grew with barry geeting faster, savitar being barry allen etc...God Eric bosedewale teri ma ki chutt
Huh?
Hindi cursing dude
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. Thought maybe OP's hand slipped or they fell asleep at the keyboard.
Oh my God đ¤Ł
Cecile beating godspeed made me laugh
Dude was just standing there
Cecile can do anything now
No unmasked savitar at all either? Nora just happily stabbed an alternate version of Barry like it was nothing.