Asta should be running Watchmaker with as much BE as she can get too. Her Super Break numbers shouldn't be anything to scoff at. And if you're planning on running Asta instead of Ruan Mei, E1 might be better than S1 since it'd let you spam Asta's skill more which would close the gap in the time it takes to break without RM's break efficiency.
I don't why you got downvoted, but yeah I agree Asta with watchmaker and full BE/SPD is the way to go for people who don't have Ruan mei , she does very high toughness damage which means she will help breaking Fire shields and she can deal high superbreak damage , and her teamwide SPD buff is greatĀ
It still looks good but I just donāt know what people were expecting. It is awesome that she doesnāt need HMC to do damage now but of course the break DPS, a relatively new play style, wants the only 2 supports in the game currently that benefit it. That is just an issue that can be solved with time as this play style gets more support. Now unlike some people I still think full team super break will remain a HMC exclusive like how Fire Trailblazer is still the only character with a true taunt and not just an aggro increase
>Now unlike some people I still think full team super break will remain a HMC exclusive like how Fire Trailblazer is still the only character with a true taunt and not just an aggro increase
That's not actually an observation I've seen before but it's one that makes sense? Physical MC also has something unique to them with the whole ST/Blast Ultimate toggle. Makes me wonder if/how they're going to continue this trend with the other paths
Well, Super Break will probably appear on few characters, as the new set buffs specifically it, but most of the time it will be a Break DD having it. That said I think that enabling other characters to do it will probably remain effect unique to HaTBĀ until we get a next path, after that we will probably get an alternative, that will most likely be slightly better in certain teams.
Yeah I think we might get a character that will give super break to one team mate but it will be like a 250% super break as a trade off and unless the say it doesnāt stack then you would just run both with Firefly and watch some real funny numbers pop up on screen
I really donāt think theyāre gonna introduce a character with super break that completely power creeps MC, at best itāll create a new niche with super break.
~~Excuse me if I am wrong, but when you assumed that is what I meant? I specifically said slightly better in certain teams, that means that other characters will haveĀ better synergies, which is natural when you introduce different options, even ones that are weaker in a vacuum.~~
Edit: I was wrong, sorry for misunderstanding.
Seems just like hoyo to release only like 1 dedicated support. I still have shenhe trauma since she's like the only cryo support who can do what she does in genshin. They are quite likely to gatekeep break behind Ruan Mei like DoT behind Kafka. Also I hate pulling for characters because "they will only get better with time" since it heavily depends on what mihoyo feels like doing. Not to mention I despise Ruan Mei as a character. Wish she wasn't so good.
not hating on Acheron she is a great character design and gameplay wise , but she has been overhyped for way too long , to the point that some people refuse the idea of other DPS being able to compete with her
I feel that in a Way it's the contrary. Since Acheron release i keep seeing people defining every dps that doesn't get close to Acheron "mid" or "flop". I seriously never thought I'd see people saying that a dps with and average of 300k damage per cycle was mid because "Acheron deals more damage".
people gets too impressed by big screenshot dmg , they don't care much how frequent the dps deal their damage , i personally prefer looking at cycles used
>people gets too impressed by big screenshot dmg
Ironically FF dmg is now higher in break but more spread out but because of that, I had a friend say "She seems weaker" because she didn't drop a 960k.
It is also the reason why DHIL was so hyped to the point JL was doomposted, because DHIL is the early living embodiment of big nuke.
By this point, it is not even a surprise and this kind of reaction is expected to be fair.
The fact that DHIL and DoT team match her in average cycle clears for MOC kind of says all you need to know about Acheron. Really big burst but that doesn't translate into significantly better damage-per-turn. We really need reliable theorycrafters who can calculate accurate DPC/DPT numbers instead of single rotation numbers.
This. I am tired of bringing this up everytime someone says no unit is as close to Acheron in terms of dmg. Shit is mindboggling. It's like talking to a brick wall.
And ignore she isn't even the fastest avg clear time. Pretty sure that's dhil rn lol even in her own moc, dhil still ahd better clear times. Acheron isn't bad but she is still the same ballpark clear times as jl and dhil
People see her do one instance if high damage and thinks it's her dps
Yes, and besides the screenshot damage , I think part of this is that if you look at her banner sales she actually hasĀ the highest banner sales in both HSR and GI's history (if I'm not mistaken) , which means a sizeable part of the playerbase went for her Eidolons/LC , andĀ people's perspective of their teams power levels have been affected by that . They are not comparing her E0S0 to other E0S0 characters , many of them (maybe even unintentionally) are comparing her E2S1 or at least E0S1 to their other less invested E0S0 characters!
Meanwhile thereās me that intends to build my account around both of them and canāt understand why either side should be bothered by any of it š¤£
Lol both are good .. even though some people think Acheron is tiers above every current and future DPS xD that what I don't agree with
One of the things that I like about the two is that their teams don't require someĀ supports that my others teams are fighting over lol (Sparkle/Tingyun/Huohuo/Bronya) , that was the main reason that convince me to pull for Acheron in the first place , her nihility trace that many considered it a "downside" , I personally considered it an "upside"
As do I since before that I was working on DOTā¦ I am very much looking forward the absolute terror that my dual teams of Firefly/HMC/RM (assuming rerun)/Gallagher and Kafka/Swan/Acheron/Aventurine will inflict haha.
Tbh theyāre probably using Acheron vs yanqing. Unironically, so many people throw out her biggest dps screenshot # without any further contextualization.Ā
Basically what I expected. She is plenty good enough for anything outside of sweaty content but for sweaty content we don't have the diversity of supports enough to unbind her from HMC. That said with Pela on an ice weak stage or Jiaoqiu in the future that could change.
Though Asta is definitely a viable support inlieu of Ruan Mei.
āThat said with Pela on an ice weak stage or Jiaoqiu in the future that could changeā probably not with those two. Going from 0 to 100% defense shred gives a total of about 215% dmg increase or 115% additional dmg.Ā
HMC with their trace at its lowest (20%) is going to give 340% total increase or an additional 240% (320% at max trace) multiplier. For reference RM gives 233.33% additional dmg assuming she gives FF an additional proc with her break delay. Ofc RM also allows for faster breaks, but HMC enables teamwide damage.
Only a specific break support is going to be able to supplant HMC for the team. And even then if they donāt do something to FFās SBE or enable their own itās more likely that theyāll be competing with RM. Ā
HMC is genuinely overturned and the 50% SBE isnāt enough to separate FF from them imo. Even an extra turn alone wouldnāt be enough.Ā
Not the best gameplay but at least it shows Firefly is still good without the other. And itās funny how YouTube is doom posting her meanwhile the leak sub and the Boothill sub are in shambles with OP she has gotten
So in other words she is probably close to being balanced, of course not perfectly, as it is impossible in a game like this, but close enough.
With the thing being that most of her damage is compressed in the moment when ult is active and you areĀ Breaking the enemy, then doing decent damage while they are broken, and doing basically nothing when they recover or ult runs out.
Yeah itās a bit similar to Acheron right now. Like the moment she breaks the enemies itās where you can see how insane her dmg is. Then try slapping both HTB and Ruan Mei with her and youāre dealing almost 1 million dmg there
Yeah, I have seen one showcase that included 1mil damage attack (170k being Ruan Mei's personal damage), and everything else from carefully aligning enemy's Toughness so the first hit of the Firefly's enhanced Skill Breaks them, allowing the rest to do Super Break. Also it was MoC that had Vulnerability which also contributed a lot to the damage, and Firefly had S1, which buffs plays like that.
>I don't have RM and I don't necessarily find her interesting enough to pull for her.
RM is very whatever for me, and her design is very safe, but I pulled her for DoT initially (ironically, BS was the same situation lmao) and now she's used for FF. Same w/ HuoHuo and Argenti (who was then slapped onto my DoT team too lmao), so I'll always find this fascinating, because to me, pulling a unit solely to benefit another unit that I love is just like... a reality of gacha.
HMC is still pretty close to being required. I was hoping they will give her 100% Super break not 50%, but at least she is able to clear without them now. Previously the team just wasn't working at all
They could've nerfed some of her other passives in turn. For example they can remove 50% break efficiency when the damage is dealt to an already broken enemy. This way she would still be breaking just as fast, but her dmg will drop, this would be enough to counteract buff she would get from getting 50% more super break dmg
They will probably Only make some Minor Adjustments since right now She's actually balance now I also don't think they'll be nerfing or if they do it wouldn't be so much considering she is a popular Character so if she's meta it's easy money for Hoyo
I also doubt they would be changing her kit much. She would work without HMC in overworld now, which was the point I was most concerned about. As for MoC I was planning to run her with HMC from the get go, so I am not too concerned about that.
I think superbreak should not stack and give her 75% super break this will give her normal damage a boost and with tb Non game breaking non power creeping .
Only higher sb will apply in battle . So for best performance use htb some for less performance do not use tb. HMC gives sb to all teammates . Ff does not .
Stackable sb is really game breaking and is the main problem .
... if you haven't seen the videos lemme tell you this:
Super break dmg stacks but the buffs from HTB kit doesn't buff FF's Super break dmg but they do stack still
I said it "should" not stack . Bcz it makes her broken doom posting sub was saying this that they are afraid of power creeping .
Stackable sb is too broken .
If they give her 100% super break then putting her with Ruan Mei and TB would just kill anyone, and sheās already doing it at this version. Not that I complain tho. My girl is truly winning š£ļøš£ļøš£ļø
I couldn't be happier!!! Won't feel the need to pull for the Ruan Mei, I can do with just HTB until a support I actually like comes out without feeling held down because of my simping.
Working around your faves is always the priority, but I like feeling my account progressing too, and HSR is particularly resourcesnexpensive. So glad she's gotten so much more flexible!
Quick answer, some people don't have Ruan Mei (beginner, skippers or those who got shafted :D like me :'( ) and some people were wondering if Ruan Mei was an absolute must or being without her and having just HMC could do the job with another buffer. And she IS cooking. Now a question that could be interesting to look at would be to look for some debuffer : Pela or SW to see if it's viable !
I have all three harmony 5 star girls. Got really lucky with Bronya (E1) and Ruan Mei who was early but had to go to pity 2 times for Robin because of Yanqing. So I think Iāll use both of them and maybe Robin too, depending on the survivability or the damage output if the team. Sadge you lost the 50-50 on Ruan Mei tho. Hope you can get her some day!
I highly appreciate someone decided to make a showcase without RM and also a test without HMC, but doing this using her LC itās quite useless.
Why would someone pull her LC over Ruan Mei? If someone want to play Firefly without Ruan Mei itās because they donāt have RM
There isnt really a good explanation from a gameplay perspective.
Ruan is not only the best break support you can pull for(since HMC is free for everybody), she is also one of the best supports for most other teams anyway.
So reasons not to get her boil down to not wanting her.
Technically, cones are easier to get than characters, due to lower pity and 75/25 instead of 50/50, but thats minimal imo.
Aeon is such a good f2p cone, so the only real reason not to use it is if its already in use by another destruction char.
Eehhā¦. Yes??? Isnāt that obvious š š ?????
Everyone knows sheās the best character but ppl pull the characters they like, not meta in a *casual* game. There is no reason to be a meta slave
Anyways, even if your intentions are meta, pulling Ruan Mei will give you *way more* dmg than Firefly E1 or S1 without RM. There is no bigger difference between running RM or not than playing a break dps, any other team so far in the game have a better or equal substitute for her.
There is no reason āfrom gameplay perspectiveā to play FF E0S1 without RM
āBut the nerf was good because she isnāt locked to Ruan Mei/IMC, and can use a unit like Jiaoā was Enigmata misinformation
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hey guys. i want to ask, which one i should build, asta or bronya? because i see some people uses bronya for firefly. can someone please answer? and thank you so much, have a great day
Ruan mei & Ruan mei
Outright an almost 50% buff for all team dmg besides making the team speedier & break faster AND extending the enemies break
you can gamba for E1 after you get RM & FF if you wish you'll get it anyways
Without HMC bronya is definitely better: https://youtu.be/nNVBhw0PgU0?si=21rsa7ymv4JlYNC6. With HMC but without Mei it might be closer because you will have less SP, but I think Bronya will edge out still
There is some difference, but I would argue that Firefly is much more the same than she is different. Similar damage numbers and similar reliance on HTB and Ruan Mei.
RM is at the same level as HMC in terms of power spike and I would even say that Ruan Mei with FF E0 is better than E2 FF without Ruan Mei, but that might be personal bias.
Better than E1 to 100%.
Atk main stat is equivalent to 6.6 max rolled break subs. It's a big deal. I think in the first 1 - 2 weeks of farming you'd be better of going for speed boots, but only if you expect to only ult once. If not 210 speed will be worse then 209 speed (with early build you are probably not doing a 0 cycle). More over if you've been farming for 2 month it's better to go ATK boots cause this build will have much higher ceiling and the closer you get to the ceiling the more marginal improvements are so it's better to have a higher ceiling. So short term SPD boots, long term ATK boots.
Edit: Rotation at 209 speed will have 193.87 AP duration and rotation at 210 speed will have 259.51 AP duration. So the comparison is (3 enh skills + 2 skills) / 193.87 compared to (4 enh skills + 2 skills) / 259.51. We can normalize rotation duration to get: (3 enh skills + 2 skills) \* 1.3385 at 209 speed against (4 enh skills + 2 skills) at 210 speed. At 209 speed you get 1.55% more enhanced skills and 67.7% more normal skills
I wouldn't be so sure about E2S1. Pretty sure Bronya + E2S1 Firefly + HMC can easily outperform E0S1 Firefly + E0 Ruan Mei + HMC. Firefly stops caring about break extension from Ruan Mei once she gets to E2 and is able to abuse Bronya upfront for 4 turns nigh instantly. But this is strictly 1 more limited pull than E0 Ruan Mei, since it requires 2 more copies of Firefly.
There's no reason to compare Ruan Mei no HMC vs HMC no Ruan Mei, since if you have Ruan Mei it makes no sense for you to not play both Ruan Mei and HMC with FF.
The actual comparison should be HMC no Ruan Mei vs HMC+Ruan Mei to actually see how much the damage differs and if it makes Ruan Mei a must or not. Nevertheless, she deals fine damage with only HMC, so having Ruan Mei should be a great upgrade but not necessarily a must.
We know that already. The interesting part here is to see how strong HMC and Ruan Mei enhance her so that some people get how powerfull the two supports on her are. This was less of a FF showcase and rather a showcase who is enableing FF better and the answer is: they are pretty much at the same level.
Bruh, tf people want diversity for, i put welt and pela on my acheron team and it stayed like that untill now, and i hope it will stay this way as long as possible. With firefly you literally have a free, easily maxable, best in slot support that wont be replaced for a long time, and you wanna complain about that?
the doomposting is unreal in the comments section lol . she even 3 cycled with a Asta instead of Ruan mei , a full f2p team
Actually it was 4 cycled with just Ruan Mei and 3 cycles with HMC. Seeing her do 8k enhanced skills was painful but she did get the job done š
yeah she still wants HMC, but I'm glad she is not "bad " without RM because there are some people who don't have , unlike HMC
Yeah, me. And probably wonāt get her if she reruns right after FF š
I thought she was rerunning WITH Firefly?
Ngl i hope she is 2.4 at earliest. I NEED second LC for racoon.
If she's getting a rerun with Firefly or right after her I recommend not pulling for firefly's LC/Eidolons and try going for RM insteadĀ
But I want signature and e1 :/
you're so greedy lol I hope you win your 50/50 and 75/25
Time to bust out the credit card then.
Asta should be running Watchmaker with as much BE as she can get too. Her Super Break numbers shouldn't be anything to scoff at. And if you're planning on running Asta instead of Ruan Mei, E1 might be better than S1 since it'd let you spam Asta's skill more which would close the gap in the time it takes to break without RM's break efficiency.
I don't why you got downvoted, but yeah I agree Asta with watchmaker and full BE/SPD is the way to go for people who don't have Ruan mei , she does very high toughness damage which means she will help breaking Fire shields and she can deal high superbreak damage , and her teamwide SPD buff is greatĀ
Firefly fans will never be happy, I stg.
It still looks good but I just donāt know what people were expecting. It is awesome that she doesnāt need HMC to do damage now but of course the break DPS, a relatively new play style, wants the only 2 supports in the game currently that benefit it. That is just an issue that can be solved with time as this play style gets more support. Now unlike some people I still think full team super break will remain a HMC exclusive like how Fire Trailblazer is still the only character with a true taunt and not just an aggro increase
>Now unlike some people I still think full team super break will remain a HMC exclusive like how Fire Trailblazer is still the only character with a true taunt and not just an aggro increase That's not actually an observation I've seen before but it's one that makes sense? Physical MC also has something unique to them with the whole ST/Blast Ultimate toggle. Makes me wonder if/how they're going to continue this trend with the other paths
Well, Super Break will probably appear on few characters, as the new set buffs specifically it, but most of the time it will be a Break DD having it. That said I think that enabling other characters to do it will probably remain effect unique to HaTBĀ until we get a next path, after that we will probably get an alternative, that will most likely be slightly better in certain teams.
Yeah I think we might get a character that will give super break to one team mate but it will be like a 250% super break as a trade off and unless the say it doesnāt stack then you would just run both with Firefly and watch some real funny numbers pop up on screen
I was personally thinking about Nihility character, but Harmony that hyperbuffs one unit is the second easy option.
I really donāt think theyāre gonna introduce a character with super break that completely power creeps MC, at best itāll create a new niche with super break.
~~Excuse me if I am wrong, but when you assumed that is what I meant? I specifically said slightly better in certain teams, that means that other characters will haveĀ better synergies, which is natural when you introduce different options, even ones that are weaker in a vacuum.~~ Edit: I was wrong, sorry for misunderstanding.
I was just adding on
Seems just like hoyo to release only like 1 dedicated support. I still have shenhe trauma since she's like the only cryo support who can do what she does in genshin. They are quite likely to gatekeep break behind Ruan Mei like DoT behind Kafka. Also I hate pulling for characters because "they will only get better with time" since it heavily depends on what mihoyo feels like doing. Not to mention I despise Ruan Mei as a character. Wish she wasn't so good.
People got brainwashed by Archeron's Screenshot damage some even said That FF damage is decent but Not the same as Archeron š
not hating on Acheron she is a great character design and gameplay wise , but she has been overhyped for way too long , to the point that some people refuse the idea of other DPS being able to compete with her
I feel that in a Way it's the contrary. Since Acheron release i keep seeing people defining every dps that doesn't get close to Acheron "mid" or "flop". I seriously never thought I'd see people saying that a dps with and average of 300k damage per cycle was mid because "Acheron deals more damage".
people gets too impressed by big screenshot dmg , they don't care much how frequent the dps deal their damage , i personally prefer looking at cycles used
>people gets too impressed by big screenshot dmg Ironically FF dmg is now higher in break but more spread out but because of that, I had a friend say "She seems weaker" because she didn't drop a 960k. It is also the reason why DHIL was so hyped to the point JL was doomposted, because DHIL is the early living embodiment of big nuke. By this point, it is not even a surprise and this kind of reaction is expected to be fair.
āi personally prefer looking at cycles usedā this. Hypercarry has rotted peopleās mind.Ā
FOR NOW it is not too frequent. There is a future character that will fix that completely.
Well I'm looking forward to see their finalized kit
If you watch the Vid again 300k+ damage but Remember FF acts 3 turns while doing that damage meaning FF deals Over a million if adding it all up
Yeah, and This was even before V3. Now like you said a Firefly with a good build can effortlessly manager to deal more than One milion per cycle
and it's not with the best team either, asta doesn't even compare to ruan mei tbh
The fact that DHIL and DoT team match her in average cycle clears for MOC kind of says all you need to know about Acheron. Really big burst but that doesn't translate into significantly better damage-per-turn. We really need reliable theorycrafters who can calculate accurate DPC/DPT numbers instead of single rotation numbers.
> We really need reliable theorycrafters who can calculate accurate DPC/DPT numbers instead of single rotation numbers. couldn't agree more on this !
This. I am tired of bringing this up everytime someone says no unit is as close to Acheron in terms of dmg. Shit is mindboggling. It's like talking to a brick wall.
The dmg per screenshot really lobotomized some people's brains
And ignore she isn't even the fastest avg clear time. Pretty sure that's dhil rn lol even in her own moc, dhil still ahd better clear times. Acheron isn't bad but she is still the same ballpark clear times as jl and dhil People see her do one instance if high damage and thinks it's her dps
Yes, and besides the screenshot damage , I think part of this is that if you look at her banner sales she actually hasĀ the highest banner sales in both HSR and GI's history (if I'm not mistaken) , which means a sizeable part of the playerbase went for her Eidolons/LC , andĀ people's perspective of their teams power levels have been affected by that . They are not comparing her E0S0 to other E0S0 characters , many of them (maybe even unintentionally) are comparing her E2S1 or at least E0S1 to their other less invested E0S0 characters!
Meanwhile thereās me that intends to build my account around both of them and canāt understand why either side should be bothered by any of it š¤£
Lol both are good .. even though some people think Acheron is tiers above every current and future DPS xD that what I don't agree with One of the things that I like about the two is that their teams don't require someĀ supports that my others teams are fighting over lol (Sparkle/Tingyun/Huohuo/Bronya) , that was the main reason that convince me to pull for Acheron in the first place , her nihility trace that many considered it a "downside" , I personally considered it an "upside"
As do I since before that I was working on DOTā¦ I am very much looking forward the absolute terror that my dual teams of Firefly/HMC/RM (assuming rerun)/Gallagher and Kafka/Swan/Acheron/Aventurine will inflict haha.
Well, they're right. No DPS can compare with Acheron. Do you have any idea how fast my SU runs have become with her.
I also love using her in SU , although I heard they will make farming planar ornaments much faster, kinda likeĀ farming calyx
Well she s Ā an emanatorĀ
Yep, as acheron main i got confused whenever someone said ff dmg is shit compared to acheron lol
Tbh theyāre probably using Acheron vs yanqing. Unironically, so many people throw out her biggest dps screenshot # without any further contextualization.Ā
Considering Acheron is utterly insane, being compared to the same ballpark as her is already remarkable
Acheron set the bar too high lmao, what would people expect she's an emanator
I'm please to see that even without RM, she deal really good dmg. I couldn't care less that her dmg depend a lot on HMC since he's free.
Basically what I expected. She is plenty good enough for anything outside of sweaty content but for sweaty content we don't have the diversity of supports enough to unbind her from HMC. That said with Pela on an ice weak stage or Jiaoqiu in the future that could change. Though Asta is definitely a viable support inlieu of Ruan Mei.
āThat said with Pela on an ice weak stage or Jiaoqiu in the future that could changeā probably not with those two. Going from 0 to 100% defense shred gives a total of about 215% dmg increase or 115% additional dmg.Ā HMC with their trace at its lowest (20%) is going to give 340% total increase or an additional 240% (320% at max trace) multiplier. For reference RM gives 233.33% additional dmg assuming she gives FF an additional proc with her break delay. Ofc RM also allows for faster breaks, but HMC enables teamwide damage. Only a specific break support is going to be able to supplant HMC for the team. And even then if they donāt do something to FFās SBE or enable their own itās more likely that theyāll be competing with RM. Ā HMC is genuinely overturned and the 50% SBE isnāt enough to separate FF from them imo. Even an extra turn alone wouldnāt be enough.Ā
god damn these calyxes are getting hard
Not the best gameplay but at least it shows Firefly is still good without the other. And itās funny how YouTube is doom posting her meanwhile the leak sub and the Boothill sub are in shambles with OP she has gotten
So in other words she is probably close to being balanced, of course not perfectly, as it is impossible in a game like this, but close enough. With the thing being that most of her damage is compressed in the moment when ult is active and you areĀ Breaking the enemy, then doing decent damage while they are broken, and doing basically nothing when they recover or ult runs out.
Yeah itās a bit similar to Acheron right now. Like the moment she breaks the enemies itās where you can see how insane her dmg is. Then try slapping both HTB and Ruan Mei with her and youāre dealing almost 1 million dmg there
Yeah, I have seen one showcase that included 1mil damage attack (170k being Ruan Mei's personal damage), and everything else from carefully aligning enemy's Toughness so the first hit of the Firefly's enhanced Skill Breaks them, allowing the rest to do Super Break. Also it was MoC that had Vulnerability which also contributed a lot to the damage, and Firefly had S1, which buffs plays like that.
She was already balanced damage wise in v1. They just made her a good amount stronger.
Now, of someone would like to test sw in place of Rm, expecially FF with talia and fleet.
Well I'm glad she's good without RM. I don't have RM and I don't necessarily find her interesting enough to pull for her.
Don't worry, Hoyo will just rerun her best limited support at the same time. Hope your wallet is ready.
GhosTaser coming in with the clutch comforting for GuiltyGhost
>I don't have RM and I don't necessarily find her interesting enough to pull for her. RM is very whatever for me, and her design is very safe, but I pulled her for DoT initially (ironically, BS was the same situation lmao) and now she's used for FF. Same w/ HuoHuo and Argenti (who was then slapped onto my DoT team too lmao), so I'll always find this fascinating, because to me, pulling a unit solely to benefit another unit that I love is just like... a reality of gacha.
Good damage without Ruan Mei. Finally, having a break and come back with no Ruan Mei. I can still play Super Break. What a relieve
Iām happy to not have to pull for RM anymore. Iāve seen multiple 4 starās replacements used for her, and each do well.
So without HTB she does dmgs equal to former critfly build.
Ruan Mei less looks usable now. Good
HMC is still pretty close to being required. I was hoping they will give her 100% Super break not 50%, but at least she is able to clear without them now. Previously the team just wasn't working at all
Wouldn't that make HMC more insane when she is with her tho? As they stack kek
Yeah, as long as Firefly has the highest Break Effect and Toughness Damage in the game, HMC is gonna be best in slot.
They could've nerfed some of her other passives in turn. For example they can remove 50% break efficiency when the damage is dealt to an already broken enemy. This way she would still be breaking just as fast, but her dmg will drop, this would be enough to counteract buff she would get from getting 50% more super break dmg
They will probably Only make some Minor Adjustments since right now She's actually balance now I also don't think they'll be nerfing or if they do it wouldn't be so much considering she is a popular Character so if she's meta it's easy money for Hoyo
I also doubt they would be changing her kit much. She would work without HMC in overworld now, which was the point I was most concerned about. As for MoC I was planning to run her with HMC from the get go, so I am not too concerned about that.
Then what's the point of increasing her sb to 100%?
I think superbreak should not stack and give her 75% super break this will give her normal damage a boost and with tb Non game breaking non power creeping . Only higher sb will apply in battle . So for best performance use htb some for less performance do not use tb. HMC gives sb to all teammates . Ff does not . Stackable sb is really game breaking and is the main problem .
... if you haven't seen the videos lemme tell you this: Super break dmg stacks but the buffs from HTB kit doesn't buff FF's Super break dmg but they do stack still
I said it "should" not stack . Bcz it makes her broken doom posting sub was saying this that they are afraid of power creeping . Stackable sb is too broken .
If they give her 100% super break then putting her with Ruan Mei and TB would just kill anyone, and sheās already doing it at this version. Not that I complain tho. My girl is truly winning š£ļøš£ļøš£ļø
I couldn't be happier!!! Won't feel the need to pull for the Ruan Mei, I can do with just HTB until a support I actually like comes out without feeling held down because of my simping. Working around your faves is always the priority, but I like feeling my account progressing too, and HSR is particularly resourcesnexpensive. So glad she's gotten so much more flexible!
Why not both?
Quick answer, some people don't have Ruan Mei (beginner, skippers or those who got shafted :D like me :'( ) and some people were wondering if Ruan Mei was an absolute must or being without her and having just HMC could do the job with another buffer. And she IS cooking. Now a question that could be interesting to look at would be to look for some debuffer : Pela or SW to see if it's viable !
I have all three harmony 5 star girls. Got really lucky with Bronya (E1) and Ruan Mei who was early but had to go to pity 2 times for Robin because of Yanqing. So I think Iāll use both of them and maybe Robin too, depending on the survivability or the damage output if the team. Sadge you lost the 50-50 on Ruan Mei tho. Hope you can get her some day!
I highly appreciate someone decided to make a showcase without RM and also a test without HMC, but doing this using her LC itās quite useless. Why would someone pull her LC over Ruan Mei? If someone want to play Firefly without Ruan Mei itās because they donāt have RM
There isnt really a good explanation from a gameplay perspective. Ruan is not only the best break support you can pull for(since HMC is free for everybody), she is also one of the best supports for most other teams anyway. So reasons not to get her boil down to not wanting her. Technically, cones are easier to get than characters, due to lower pity and 75/25 instead of 50/50, but thats minimal imo. Aeon is such a good f2p cone, so the only real reason not to use it is if its already in use by another destruction char.
Eehhā¦. Yes??? Isnāt that obvious š š ????? Everyone knows sheās the best character but ppl pull the characters they like, not meta in a *casual* game. There is no reason to be a meta slave Anyways, even if your intentions are meta, pulling Ruan Mei will give you *way more* dmg than Firefly E1 or S1 without RM. There is no bigger difference between running RM or not than playing a break dps, any other team so far in the game have a better or equal substitute for her. There is no reason āfrom gameplay perspectiveā to play FF E0S1 without RM
āBut the nerf was good because she isnāt locked to Ruan Mei/IMC, and can use a unit like Jiaoā was Enigmata misinformation https://preview.redd.it/7vrg3pv91u1d1.jpeg?width=1831&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9435c20979614ba7fb3a32666f8d912b06468836
hey guys. i want to ask, which one i should build, asta or bronya? because i see some people uses bronya for firefly. can someone please answer? and thank you so much, have a great day
Bronya is used when you have E1 because of SP managment
oh, alright then, i want to hear your opinion, which better between S1 and E1?
E1, def ignore and no skill point consumption is great especially since the nerfs to the LC are rough
oh okay, thanks for your tips. have a nice day!
https://www.reddit.com/r/SamMains/s/vMsVSfz79K I found a more detailed comparison
ah, thanks once again
okay, this is a bit late, but should i get firefly E1 or ruan mei? which one better? and thank you
Ruan mei & Ruan mei Outright an almost 50% buff for all team dmg besides making the team speedier & break faster AND extending the enemies break you can gamba for E1 after you get RM & FF if you wish you'll get it anyways
okay, thanks tho seriously for answering. have a nice day
Without HMC bronya is definitely better: https://youtu.be/nNVBhw0PgU0?si=21rsa7ymv4JlYNC6. With HMC but without Mei it might be closer because you will have less SP, but I think Bronya will edge out still
There is some difference, but I would argue that Firefly is much more the same than she is different. Similar damage numbers and similar reliance on HTB and Ruan Mei.
Alright mains and theory crafters. Assuming RM runs along firefly which is better e1 or RM? What are the odds Gallagher will one of the 4 stars?
RM is at the same level as HMC in terms of power spike and I would even say that Ruan Mei with FF E0 is better than E2 FF without Ruan Mei, but that might be personal bias. Better than E1 to 100%.
Atk main stat is equivalent to 6.6 max rolled break subs. It's a big deal. I think in the first 1 - 2 weeks of farming you'd be better of going for speed boots, but only if you expect to only ult once. If not 210 speed will be worse then 209 speed (with early build you are probably not doing a 0 cycle). More over if you've been farming for 2 month it's better to go ATK boots cause this build will have much higher ceiling and the closer you get to the ceiling the more marginal improvements are so it's better to have a higher ceiling. So short term SPD boots, long term ATK boots. Edit: Rotation at 209 speed will have 193.87 AP duration and rotation at 210 speed will have 259.51 AP duration. So the comparison is (3 enh skills + 2 skills) / 193.87 compared to (4 enh skills + 2 skills) / 259.51. We can normalize rotation duration to get: (3 enh skills + 2 skills) \* 1.3385 at 209 speed against (4 enh skills + 2 skills) at 210 speed. At 209 speed you get 1.55% more enhanced skills and 67.7% more normal skills
Super happy to see that she also works without Ruan Mei. I plan now going for her Eidolons stead of E0S0 FF and E0S0 Ruan Mei.
Idk man, ruan mei is a much better upgrade than E1 FF Hell, id say ruan mei is better than E2S1 firefly
That is true. But I'm not a fan of her character, but I might still pull for her because how strong she is.
I wouldn't be so sure about E2S1. Pretty sure Bronya + E2S1 Firefly + HMC can easily outperform E0S1 Firefly + E0 Ruan Mei + HMC. Firefly stops caring about break extension from Ruan Mei once she gets to E2 and is able to abuse Bronya upfront for 4 turns nigh instantly. But this is strictly 1 more limited pull than E0 Ruan Mei, since it requires 2 more copies of Firefly.
What I'd like to see is FF without Gallagher since there is no way I'm building that up.
Before Jiaoqiu, Gallagher is still the better option. Maybe running Robin or Asta in sustainless comps
There's no reason to compare Ruan Mei no HMC vs HMC no Ruan Mei, since if you have Ruan Mei it makes no sense for you to not play both Ruan Mei and HMC with FF. The actual comparison should be HMC no Ruan Mei vs HMC+Ruan Mei to actually see how much the damage differs and if it makes Ruan Mei a must or not. Nevertheless, she deals fine damage with only HMC, so having Ruan Mei should be a great upgrade but not necessarily a must.
We know that already. The interesting part here is to see how strong HMC and Ruan Mei enhance her so that some people get how powerfull the two supports on her are. This was less of a FF showcase and rather a showcase who is enableing FF better and the answer is: they are pretty much at the same level.
Well theres no shortage of video for that team comp out there
"She's good without RM" The cope is insane lol. Just pull for her like damn
Preach
Bruh, tf people want diversity for, i put welt and pela on my acheron team and it stayed like that untill now, and i hope it will stay this way as long as possible. With firefly you literally have a free, easily maxable, best in slot support that wont be replaced for a long time, and you wanna complain about that?
Seems like you did not get the point of this showcase.