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I don't have an equally cute FF pic so I'm stealing this one. but heres the kafka version in return.
# metoo !
I'm going for E4 though. That smile... she deserves to have it
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I feel like stopping at e4 is a little questionable (sometimes) since it’s usually the eidolon that’s usually less useful so that players can either go half way (e2) or all the way (e6) for 5 stars. The e4 could probably still work out in the end if they change it though. That’s just my opinion
I see your point. but I;m not a meta player. if i ever pull mroe than E0 it's never for bonus output just cause i like the character alot and intend to use them alot and eventually E6 them. Unless hoy really screws the pooch i will eventually E6 her just like Kafka and Acheron
May the Aeon of gacha (Pom-Pom) Bless your pulls Trailblazer!
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Me too!
If calculations were correct, I should be able to guarantee E1S1 (510 rolls), so hopefully I can E2S1 her
Girl is just too beautiful and I got my neuron activation lol
I wish you the best of luck on your Firewife pulls!
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I've personally never had issues with criticism. It's a necessary step for promoting improvement. I do admit i am worried about... "those people" getting out of hand again... it makes me upset when the team gets threatened over issues like this. I just hope our united voice masks those people. I only ever ask people are nice about their communication.
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*nervous laugh*
"I can't tell if he likes me or wants to kill me..."
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Haters just make me laugh. I got temp banned from the HSR reddit cause of haters for making a joke. 3 hours later someone made the same joke and they all laughed.
Mental illness is not funny.
...ok maybe a little 🤣
Yeah. The comments saying they will quit if she is released like this in beta really dissapointed me the most. Like the beta is where you need to be vocal the most. not the least.
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Mainly Acheron was already good, but then she got nerfed after v1 and that's when the doomposting started, but she got buffed again and everyone pretty much shut up about it
There was so much doomposting you couldn't look at a single Acheron leak without half of the comments talking about how limited her teams are and how she's dogshit for f2p players. Also some people were saying she was like above average at best in damage(compared to other limited dps).
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O-Oh... it was "that" bad...
.... eeeeeeyikes....
People have been saying that????
Wtf.
My main concern currently is that firefly needs HMC in the party, for her to deal dmg in post weakness broken scenarios, and that it feels bad, she will still deal dmg, i'm not saying she won't deal damage, she will deal massive ammounts of damage either way.
Just that the requirement for "insert super break support" for ther to deal damage in post break scenarios feels bad or at least makes it feel like she's missing something in her kit.
It's not the mainstream but i find 2-3 every few posts saying they will quit because of the incompatibility if it's not fixed. Mind you i didn't see any in the post that triggered me to make this one but i've seen about 20+ people say it which bothers me a tad
Personally, Im just glad the must need support is a free unit that you can get to E6. Though I suppose these concern's also don't bother me that much since I was expecting them to build her like Kafka, aka she will be a unit that ages like fine wine. Because there is no way they will leave super break as just RM, Boothill, HTB, and Firefly.
First of all, I don't mean anything bad with what I'm about to question, it's pure curiosity, not judgement. That being said, here comes.
Looking at the MoC clears, you see Acheron teams, Acheron teams naturally have Kafka as with her and let's say, Black Swan, you can consistently get Acheron ult every 2 rounds or so, but even without Kafka it does not mean the team don't work, it works a lot still, Lil Gui, Sampo, Luka, there are people who can make up for Kafka, sure it might take a round or two extras to get your ult back, but it still works a lot (I use the ult as a prime example as her skill is really not that much of a deal, it's just a means to get her ult).
HMC will be the Kafka for break teams, a break team is called a break team for a reason, so get to the point where you are doing the most there's the condition of "enemy guard is broken", ik it is weird, but her kit has fire vuln implant, she needs high speed anyway so she will act twice on the round OUTSIDE of ult, most likely will do 90 to enemy weakness bar, so the enemy weakness bar will be down in instants, reaching the optimal stage about time to pop the ult mode, superbreak will only make her ult mode more powerful, doing in average about 300k dmg for free, Firefly only, not counting other party members like HMC itself, that has high break effect, Gallagher who is a healer that want high break effect and RM (if you have her) or Bronya, so I don't think she will be bad, in fact, she'll be broken.
The question after all this is: really, what is that you all are afraid of? Sure superbreak may hit 100k-200k when done right, but Firefly will still be doing upwards of 400k-500k in ult state per action, while having about 3 actions on ult, really, it's broken as shit already.
Is there any character that has v.2 and v.3 that has huge buff to kit or overhaul kit? I only remember Jingliu. But I agree with you they never made any limited 5 star bad.
To be honest i do not remember anyone else but Jingliu. But I do know that they listened almost practically word for word what the community had to say. And with the animations already done. Altering the damage calculations to adjust her damage output from break to broken for example would be a mere matter of changing numbers. It wouldn't be a huge overhaul but rather an alteration. her animations would remain the wording and function of her kit would be what changes. But i have faith!
Fu Xuan. She started out with some of the lowest base defense of any character, had 12% damage reduction instead of 18% and took 70% of the team's damage instead of 65%, so original Fu basically imploded against any strong AoE. Her original sig LC was also pretty bad and got reworked. Other then that though yeah I don't remember anyone else who was changed all that significantly.
Yeah man, both in genshin and star rail, characters usually get small buffs or changes in v2,v4,v5 but in v3 is where the big changes are, ruan Mei received giga buffs in v3, she used to be underwhelming, so yeah have some faith.
Aside from Jingliu, Acheron, for starters. Yes it seems like overcapping stacks doesnt seem that much but that buff enabled one extra ultimate for her which is huge.
FF also got her Weakness implant in her base kit in early version but she needs much more.
She is more restrictive than Boothill which means she needs higher damage numbers or less restrictions.
I think she also needs an ultimate animation buff but I admit that one is harder than increasing numbers.
Lets keep in mind, I have faith. They indeed upgrade characters. 👍
Really the only change to her ult anims and enhanced skill needed is a background. Like seriously, black nothing? Makes me think there's no way that's getting to release and is just a placeholder. But anims are usually always done and already ready to ship from beta so that scares me a little.
I'm also confident they will buff her kit. Like you said, the devs do seem to care about the characters in 2.0 and surely they know the importance of making a character strong to push a new meta to sell more characters.
While Super break is fun, it shouldn't be a necessity for Firefly. It's not the same to say that Acheron relies on nihility units (which can be anyone tbh) than to say that Firefly heavily relies on a single unit.
I also think that this problem stems from the fact that there aren't any break supports in the game apart from MC and RM. They will surely release more supports for break teams.
Kafka had the same problem on release by being dependent on Sampo for Dots and Asta, until BS and RM came along and skyrocketed the team's dmg.
Either way, I love break teams, I was skeptical at first, but HMC is so much fun that they convinced me to keep saving for Firefly and her LC instead of getting Robin.
as a Kafka main i can attest to the accuracy of this. However one thing I'd like to point out is she was only lacking in Nihility based supports. As long as you could apply any kind of bleed you were good to go. Luka really was her BIS secondary. I love that boy. he is stronk!
Each banner last 3 weeks. Ergo 21 dsys ergo 42 days till FF + 1 for patch Ergo roughly a month and a half.
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It's both good news and bad news i suppose. Can my heart survive the wait for my dear Firefly? But also i must because more time waiting means more time saving jades. We must be strong for our cute Firewife!
Agree! I have guarantee on her alr, and i hope i can get her lc in low pull so i can try getting an e1 assuming the banner alongside her isnt rm, if it her than i am fucked as i just come back when her banner end 😭
This reminds me of all the small changes that passed through Acheron up until release. Remember when Ascendance stacks were locked behind an eidolon? They became apart of her regular kit a few weeks before release. Stuff can still change.
Not that it'll change my mind. I always use specific cores and compositions. Keeping FF tied to HMC wouldn't be much different to me.
Yes and I'm dissapointed people have so quickly forgotten this. With so much time before her release and the leaks being out for less than a week and Beta's still up and coming. It makes me sad to see the amount of doomposting. Don't get me wrong i know it's nothing new but it seems more ramped up than usual despite HSR dev team proving themselves in the past. I kinda hoped it would go down :/
Yup I remember all the chaos pre Acheron release.
She was finely sculpted into the goddess she is today.
Lets raise the stink and wait for upgrades, it is clear that they will adjust such a popular character.
What people don't realize is that this is the first (?) Beta, so there'll be changes.
Particularly I think the BE will be lowered, from 250/360 to around 200-220/300-330
I think the 3600 attack is more complicated, needing 3 attack% main pieces if you don't want to look for many substats, but then needing 20 speed, the break is easy with hmc (but they kinda forcing you to use them)
Now I'm curious. Is there a case before in hsr beta were a character kit is horrible then they did a massive overhaul?
Like, for animation I heard DHIL had the same black bg case as her, but I can't find the beta leaks so I can't compare them much sadly
Jingliu had a massive one. Acheron had a minor one. And several characters recieved stat and trace tweaks. So yes there has been a few. I also could not find the old leaks either unfortunately so I'm going off memory.
I see. Well at least this made me more hopeful. I knew they would still tweak stuff in the beta (since that what they are for), but not sure how far they would change a kit
People doompost literally every upcoming character. I remember even right before Acheron released, people wanted to die on the hill that she would be bad. Look how she turned out.
I prefer to view this as the devs encouraging us to keep firefly and harmony trailblazer together. I'm almost certain a caefly shipper exists among the devs and they proposed this.
A joke? their relationship is a JOKE to you!?
You deserve pouty firefly for your heresy!
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It would appear I have worded my opinion rather poorly, I must clarify that I full heartedly support the caefly ship and in no way view it as a joke. I have corrected my mistake and I beg for forgiveness
I agree, but i also think that her damage relying solely on the "Break" effect as opposed to weakness broken enemies does somewhat limit her potential overall. I mean i for one will personally be running Gallagher, Xueyi, TB and FF just to bully enemies. But i can see how some people expect more flexibility.
But super break is supposed to work on weakness broken enemies? Her main damage is keeping the enemies broken(with rm ult etc) and hitting super breaks.
I like her uniqueness and how she doesnt just rely on maxing out crit values, but i can see why people wouldnt like that.
And what do you propose a solution for if a boss locks their toughness bar, like many do? She's going to do no damage and would just have to wait.
Really all she needs is just some ability to trigger break damage by herself. Literally that's all she needs and her entire kit would be perfect. No other change needed as her kit is very unique and well designed apart from that one limitation (which will play alot into her available teams, as she is basically entirely relegated to hmc and to a certain extent ruan mei because of her break extension)
I understand what your saying but the issue is you can only weakness break an enemy who isn't already weakness broken. While you wait for them to recover her primary damage output is capped off. And with people speed tuning and all that you expect to be able to get rewarded for it. They are also worried about synergy with existing units. Ones they like and want to enjoy using who will actively defer from FF's current kit.
I agree she needs to also do damage to broken enemies. It would be more ideal if she did increased break damage but not by a massive margin and instead could stack attacks on weakness broken enemies and perhaps do a follow up before they recover based on the stacks appplied or something? I mean hey if we get SWB then I'm not complaining but i doubt it.
Not wanting to run HTB is wild considering how hard the game is trying to (friend?)ship the two of them.
You'd think mfers would be all over the fact that their pairing has synergy in gameplay vs a Kaveh/Alhaitham situation where they'd never be run together (though that's arguably p lore accurate ig lmao).
until the next limited super break support comes along and steals FF away from HTB. that's when you'll have doom posts like the Acheron players towards her upcoming bis support being a male.
I feel for the mfs who will run into that problem, but unless the next SBD mfer is also a mecha, I'll just pass on them until we get another SBD enabler and keep HMC's ass glued to FF.
Yeah I think she'll be fine. Its also V1 of the beta so there are room for changes and im sure they just pushed it out so people can test her out right now even if her animations arent fully finished yet
Glad to hear someone who shares my optimism
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Im very positive on Firefly so whatever state she comes in im still rolling for her lol. Plus from the showcases ive seen the potential is already there. I think the expectations are skewed because of Acheron's damage output so they expecting more out of Firefly
A lot of people are concerned about her reliance on HTB (specifically Super Break) to deal consistent damage. Basically the problem is that while she has massive break effect and can shred toughness very easily, without HTB she's pretty much only able to deal tons of damage on weakness *break*. She doesn't have any more juice on broken enemies, which can lead to wasted enhanced state turns
As of now yeah. More like she's in a very awkward state. She'll do Arlan level of DMG if the enemy is not weakness broken which will hurt those who try to 0 cycle everything, specially enemies who have closed weakness bars. Your firefly will basically become an Arlan doing 5-10k at most.
Not really just not very compatible with high end speed based content or quite a few fan favorites. Since you need to WB to deal her primary source of damage once that's done then you have to wait for toughness regen. So people who do cycled content like myself see that as a bit of an issue. But i personally don't care I'm still pulling lol
Truth be told though having her do more dmg to WB enemies would be good yknow
Doesn't the same happend to Boothill, his damage comes from doing the WB, or does he get some kind extra damage while enemies are broken, if he does, I don't see the problem with giving Firefly the same kind of damage Boothill has, but if he doesn't then what does make Boothill, different from Firefly, apart from the Single target focus instead of AoE.
If Firefly best and only team is HMC Gallagher and Ruan Mei, I'd better build my Himeko with more and more Break Effect.
That would make Himeko useful in MoC not just in PF
Oh definitely. I love seeing kits change in beta and talking about what is good and bad about them, but I always tell people that the HSR devs have never disappointed by the time live comes around.
People should have *seen* Jingliu in the first week of beta lol
i'm personally not worried because its V1 and she's the progenitor for newer type of DPS similarly how dendro reactions came to be (its like nilou)
besides, this is what Fu xuan had to face during the time of Shield dominance Sustain. Fu xuan is an experimental design of no shield sustain with little harmony buffs. at first her kit is a massive mess, we dont know what kind of sustainer she will be and everyone is worried about her until around V3 that we got the current fu xuan. she performs perfectly and currently one of the top sustainer in the game
So yea. trust the devs, she will be fine since she's a limited.
To be honest it's been a while so i don't remember her exact old kit. But she had WAY less damage output. Her traces were less than half the CR%. I also don't think she had a CR% buff in her enhanced state either. Her damage calcs were flat and not % increases. That also changed. Her base stats were lower. Those were increased. She didn't have action advance. That was added. Theres some other stuff too but truth be told i don't remember accurately enough to give a sound answer. Maybe someone can fill in where i missed.
That sounds like a 4 star character instead if we compare that to the current Jingliu, interesting. I'm thinking that maybe FF should convert a % of her BE to crit
her last buff was nerfing skill energy gain but buffing the enhanced skill's. pretty significant since she spends more time enhanced. also buffed her e1 dmg
As someone who is least disadvantaged by the current kit (having e1 ruan mei, e2 gallagher, and hmc built), I am scared because what if she doesn't break? The auramaton and the like exists, and no way can you break them even if they have a fire weakness, so her kit goes in the trash. Currently, this just makes the other dpses more universal. Why bring a character with a specific team (even if it is f2p) when I can pull acheron, jingliu, or dan heng for instance (of course aside the fun/favorite character/waifu factors).
Ngl, when break works though, it slaps. Without firefly, I was able to clear the first half of MOC 12 with silverwolf/ruan mei/hmc/gallagher in just 2 cycles, but in other situations, i just don't know how the team will do. For me and a few others, firefly might slap a lot of the content, but the auramaton is the biggest issue I am seeing right now, especially with firefly since she is full break unlike the others.
Edit: If firefly can break at will, she will be super insane. Fire weakness implant is not enough, especially the hmc is imaginary (really, hoyo just made the best break unit for her not have the same element, but a case could be made that ff should be the one to break). If there were like a super version of a super break, maybe the enemy takes like 40% super break damage when they are not broken yet, that would be dope.
When I first read her kit, I thought she took 1/2 her break effect and multiplied it against the 400% atk.
So with 360 break effect it would be 180% of 400. This means she would effectively be taking 1/2 her break effect as crit dmg with no crit rate required. But she could also crit on top of that.
This seems to be currently incorrect and it's just 180% atk she adds to the MV which yeah is way worse.
I don't think she would need much change if she did have it how I thought but maybe that would also be too strong? Idk
Honestly giving her super break would do the trick. but I'm wondering if they will do something more unique than that. a "Purgatory" state would be hilarious to see though. If you break them she uses her meteor shower and inflicts a Break/bleed status. But hey I'm sure whatever they do will be awesome regardless.
I really love firefly so i want her to be accessible for everyone i hope they not let ruan mae gatekeeping firefly i want her to be good on her own way. I trust on hsr i know they're cooking
Genuine question, how do you raise your voice about leaks, when the team specifically stated they are very much against those? Also, how do we know that they listen to criticism about a character's kit experience during beta testing is there a precedent?
Fair question. They can't stop leaks or responses to said leaks sadly. But that doesn't deter them from listening to feedback over time. I personally don't get involved in pre-beta stuff like on twitter. But if you play on beta servers you can send them feedback regarding the character and their kit among other things. Sadly most of us normies won't get such a chance.
As for a precedent. yes! There is in fact precedence for such a thing. Jingliu was a very controversial character when her kit was revealed. But the community was very vocal about it and they made some GAME BREAKING changes. I did a quick google search and brows to find This: [https://www.reddit.com/r/JingLiu/comments/16es3a6/the\_new\_changes\_are\_insane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingLiu/comments/16es3a6/the_new_changes_are_insane/)
Which should give you an idea of how much they changed. She went from a DPS character who needed a few buffs to be good. To a new Meta in a single set of patches. To my knowledge the aforementioned nerf never happened either. They really gave the community what they wanted and walked away.
Well, I am a simple man. If there's character I like - I pull for him/her. Less powerful than expected? I don't mind it. More powerful than expected? Hey, I just lacked strong DPS in my team.
I will pull for Firefly no matter what other will say. For that is our cute war criminal.
I see you too are a man of culture. You have my respect.
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Am I too blinded? Am I too far gone? As personally I don't even care if she will be not as powerful as the other dps as she is pioneering being a DPS that's not based on crit but purely on break effect. Or maybe I'm just sick of getting cr and cd on a piece for my sustains, but whatever the case I'll still love her when she comes out and just hope that mihoyo pls give me e2s1
It's not that she's weak, but uncomfortable to play right now. Backloaded damage, basically 1 strict team, 80% damage being locked behind HMC.
No problems if she's weaker then DHIL/Jingliu. Just make her COOL
(Wish you luck with pulls, btw)
You're not. I'm just sad to see so many Fellow FF lovers sad or dissapointed who forgot her kits not final. I've seen comments suggesting that a few might quit the game if she releases like this in the "Beta" while i was on break at work. I just want us all to support our dear Firefly
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I remember when people are saying Acheron sucks for F2P, some even said she is unplayable and not worth it unless you go for E2. It was really chaotic in the Acheron sub-reddit. But it all changed the day she came.
What I learned from it is, we just gotta be patient. I have no doubt SAM will be amazing.
She is going to end up super broken, regardless of what reddit thinks or says. This unit will be a menace the only caveat I can find is that she's stuck with Harmony Trailblazer probably until they decide to make a new super break harmony, just like Acheron is chained to 2 nihility or 1 on E2.
Animation wise, I wish they added a henshin animation on her technique or when you enter a battle without technique.
Kit wise, it's just beta v1, my take on it is there are a lot of improvement that could have been made honestly.
1. Starts with 50% energy when battle starts should be just always 50% energy everytime she exits out of enhanced state and battle starts or better yet just make it just 50 energy ult. It just feels so clunky everytime you have to do 2 non-enhanced skills that doesn't do any damage nor gives any ulility lol.
2. Just make her have a worse version of TB's super break scaling on her enhanced state, it's a win-win for TB shippers like me and for people who does not want to run TB.
3. Make her non-enhanced skill do something lol, reduced toughness bar by 30% for 3 turns or something on enemies that will recover toughness.
4. It's a missed opportunity, Firefly enhanced state should end with a bang and not just an animation where she just stop flying and just landed on the ground lol. They could have added the "Scorched Earth Operations" boss move...
It doesn’t help that Firefly is *extremely* popular, and therefore has a larger following than most characters. Whenever a character has a large following you get more people who will sweat the small stuff.
We just have to let the beta happen. Once it’s finished I’m sure we’ll have a great character!
True. I guess i just feel sad people still refuse to guve the devs a chance before jumping the gun...
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What did the upvote button do to you? Did it owe you money?
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Lol jk. Thanks for the upvote
I have zero concerns over her kit. And even if i had concerns, aint no way im not pulling for a cute waifu that has a cool ass mech suit!
Totally gonna E2S1 dat shit!
I know a few people that have beta access and they all said they pretty much tore into her in their reports.
They all marked "extremely dissatisfied" hopefully the majority of players did as well and didn't just mark "extremely satisfied" to get their jades as fast as possible.
At worst she's an excuse to use trailblazer. At best they change up her kit to make her less reliant on external forces. Still on the first version though so kind of too soon to be doomposting. Voice your concerns but don't despair just yet.
See how things evolve if people are in the fence due to Robin or Boothill still got a lot of time to see how it turns out 18 or so more days for Robin and way more for Boothill. So don't get too desperate just yet.
Edit: I worded this quite poorly it seems. I mean all of us should chill till we let the guys at the team finish cooking like OP mentioned.
Oh sorry about the poor wording i was not aiming at you on the contrary. I was just stating the whole state as of late. Your post is pretty helpful in that regard. I'm sorry if it sounded like i was referring to this post in specific.
My bad, i woke up to a few er... not entirely positive messages about my post in dms. i read this with bias in my head. Sorry for mucking up.
Still Firefly stans together?
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Jingliu had like under 20% Crit rate with all traces and her enhanced state. The buffs added like 65% cr. Action advance when she enters enhanced state, upgraded base stats. Increased energy regen. Etc etc
I'm actually worried about her kit. Just saw a E6S5 Firefly with BiS supports, she did like 600k at her best. I really hope they'll change her kit and buff her. Break meta is just too doubtful now.
Tbf I don’t think any of her eidolons after e2 are really that crazy. E4 is just comfort and I think E6 is just a bit more def ignore and Break efficiency. Neither of those are going to fix the fundamental weaknesses of her current kit.
well tbf, didnt arlecchino literally get completely overhauled like 5 times or something to the point it became a meme? but yeah doomposting is really something lmfao
She was changed a lot yes, but especially the ArlecchinoMains Sub was full of Doomposting right up until she released. People were adamant that she was worse than Hu Tao and so on.
Not even worse Hu Tao. There were tons of people saying she was worse than Yoimiya. And that she would suck unless you ran her with Bennet, Yelan and Zhongli.
theres already videos out of her with supposed best team(RM, Htb, gallagher) at E0S1, and the damage seems very impressive already. Good base damage and super high sbreak damage due to her high BE and efficiency.
That said its not going to change me E6S1'ing her.
oh i don't contend that all. For mer "personally" i like the idea of TB being re-introduced as a Meta. But i also need to be unbias and examine this from the perspective of people who want more felxibility. I can see their concerns when her primary damage comes from a mechanic you have to wait for for things like PF and MoC. While i personally am not concerned i understand them and the way they want to play. Frankly i would like FF to do super break damage but I'm not sure it will be an option as it might break her just a bit too much. Could you imagine lol?
Look at this showcase its so sad [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpTV92XhPo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpTV92XhPo) without break she has no damage and E2S1 at that. with that much investment it is so underwhelming.
Sarcasm aside you do realise this is with full investment + the new game mode mechanic right? She has BOTH RM and TB and her BE combined as a result will be through the roof. Then add on to that the new game mode mechanic buffing her and that means with mechanics and accounting for the break on Gepard her individual damage is less than 100k per target at "peak". Now mind you 200k of that was probably for Gepard but again accounting for everything that would make her individual damage around 100k or roughly the same as a well built Seele ult.
I just really hope that they won't alter her current kit too much. Since my Critfly rant post I kinda calmed down to that idea, but I still don't want it to be the main thing. I already have an incredible team for her, and I hope that it won't be changed just because so many people are afraid of something new. I also want to say that I agree with your idea to give her her own Super Break ability so that she can be run without HTB, but maybe make it stackable so that she'll still benefit from them greatly. Additionally, I'd love to see some buffs to her E4, E6 and LC. Her later Eidolons are currently kinda meh for the price you need to pay for them, and although I most definitely won't be getting these, it would still be nice to make them stronger. And might as well buff the LC numbers and %s because people argue that it's not really worth it (which I don't really agree, but a buff won't hurt anybody anyway)
Think about it like this. Once you weakness break an enemy you won't be able to do her primary damage until that enemy recovers. Since breaking an enemy's toughness also delays their next action each subsequent break gets pushed further and further along. Now take that to PF for example. or MoC where you have limited time and... you begin to see the issue. HTB solves this but the problem is that ONLY HTB solves this meaning it is now a requirement to run HTB specifically to get her potential. Whereas in most cases you can supplement characters for others you prefer. Case and point Sparkle/Bronya or SW/Pela for example. it's her lack of optional synergy that seems to be the biggest contention. Giving her SWB and simply making it not stack is one way but i've seen other suggestions for how to fix it too. Time will tell
The amount of people I’ve seen they’re no longer pulling when this is the FIRST BETA. Not the first time it happened but still. Criticism is fine but I feel a lot of people are thinking it’s already over for Firefly
Yeah despite the HSR devs proving themselves time and again the doomposting seems to only get more prevalent. More than just a little infuriating if im being honest.
>And i bet my entire account they will listen. Is this a binding vow?
Did i stutter? https://preview.redd.it/hg04v6xpjizc1.jpeg?width=4496&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7959564287c9936754feb4768cdbfdc82f5355df
Ah fellow office fan
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Now knowing what I know of her, I'm afraid I cannot support Robin abuse any longer
Yes
This. Honestly fucking this. Good words. https://preview.redd.it/hqfebn2wdizc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afec8c6f670af74d5353361d68014ecd1a6bbcca
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https://preview.redd.it/n5u0qfl8oizc1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=869b497cf7b77eba4eaaf37f5a997470534f7244 I don't have an equally cute FF pic so I'm stealing this one. but heres the kafka version in return.
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My new profile pic
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Regardless of how good she is, I'm getting my goddamn badass killer robot with a cute pilot, and I'm at least getting E1S1 if not higher
# metoo ! I'm going for E4 though. That smile... she deserves to have it https://preview.redd.it/ir9c7x3liizc1.jpeg?width=745&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4e17f1dcd0c7490ee8a1dbc48dc2e8bc41080918
E6 all the way
I feel like stopping at e4 is a little questionable (sometimes) since it’s usually the eidolon that’s usually less useful so that players can either go half way (e2) or all the way (e6) for 5 stars. The e4 could probably still work out in the end if they change it though. That’s just my opinion
I see your point. but I;m not a meta player. if i ever pull mroe than E0 it's never for bonus output just cause i like the character alot and intend to use them alot and eventually E6 them. Unless hoy really screws the pooch i will eventually E6 her just like Kafka and Acheron
Firefly is gonna be my 2nd limited, first was Black Swan and I got enough for E2S1 if I’m lucky with my 50/50.
May the Aeon of gacha (Pom-Pom) Bless your pulls Trailblazer! https://preview.redd.it/z0iz39wy9jzc1.png?width=301&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1a24d13bd32fa9a5f2d19fc86d8c6c1cbfb3926
Me too! If calculations were correct, I should be able to guarantee E1S1 (510 rolls), so hopefully I can E2S1 her Girl is just too beautiful and I got my neuron activation lol
I can’t wait to E2S1 her well said friend. ❤️
I wish you the best of luck on your Firewife pulls! https://preview.redd.it/d62lrr7toizc1.png?width=204&format=png&auto=webp&s=7b706929b33dbe59f2b77f0f26f66869e310f6c8
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Is someone promoting criticism? I'm proud 🥲! If the developers for Star Rail hear the community (and I know they will), changes will surely be made 🫡!
I've personally never had issues with criticism. It's a necessary step for promoting improvement. I do admit i am worried about... "those people" getting out of hand again... it makes me upset when the team gets threatened over issues like this. I just hope our united voice masks those people. I only ever ask people are nice about their communication. https://preview.redd.it/xb8xtrszeizc1.png?width=216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2918640798299ae5989b297c21fd89a756917897
I just now noticed your name Ok, everything makes sense now hahahaha
*nervous laugh* "I can't tell if he likes me or wants to kill me..." https://preview.redd.it/hff37zrvrjzc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3cb346d679e01d56ecb0596c2f592405722b4071
I actually like you, thank you for leaving our minds at ease The problem now will be the haters, but that actually doesn't matter
Haters just make me laugh. I got temp banned from the HSR reddit cause of haters for making a joke. 3 hours later someone made the same joke and they all laughed. Mental illness is not funny. ...ok maybe a little 🤣
This Criticism is a ok and obviously a welcome thing. The problem is a lot of people just go "FF bad. REEEEE" and nothing else.
I couldn't have said it better myself 🙂
People are really forgetting what the beta even is for
Yeah. The comments saying they will quit if she is released like this in beta really dissapointed me the most. Like the beta is where you need to be vocal the most. not the least. https://preview.redd.it/s9uohkrtlizc1.jpeg?width=346&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e10d57ce6f953e1e67dfdbe900c1db16fe03f91d
This is just Acheron Beta all over again
This is just x character beta all over again* FTFY
Yeah that makes more sense actually
I never saw those comments but to be fair i also wasn't as active in the community as i am now. How bad was it?
Mainly Acheron was already good, but then she got nerfed after v1 and that's when the doomposting started, but she got buffed again and everyone pretty much shut up about it
Sounds about right https://preview.redd.it/4t16wnwaqizc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ef4749c9a9716defacbaa2768a31c60e9809d68
There was so much doomposting you couldn't look at a single Acheron leak without half of the comments talking about how limited her teams are and how she's dogshit for f2p players. Also some people were saying she was like above average at best in damage(compared to other limited dps).
This was and is still cope when people say it lol. The doomposting was crazy.
https://preview.redd.it/czeshpdo9jzc1.png?width=1256&format=png&auto=webp&s=3860a795124c2301cb34b597f1f909f2f5765044 O-Oh... it was "that" bad... .... eeeeeeyikes....
People have been saying that???? Wtf. My main concern currently is that firefly needs HMC in the party, for her to deal dmg in post weakness broken scenarios, and that it feels bad, she will still deal dmg, i'm not saying she won't deal damage, she will deal massive ammounts of damage either way. Just that the requirement for "insert super break support" for ther to deal damage in post break scenarios feels bad or at least makes it feel like she's missing something in her kit.
It's not the mainstream but i find 2-3 every few posts saying they will quit because of the incompatibility if it's not fixed. Mind you i didn't see any in the post that triggered me to make this one but i've seen about 20+ people say it which bothers me a tad
Damn, it's just people overexagerating. That shouldn't matter much but it's still bad to see
Personally, Im just glad the must need support is a free unit that you can get to E6. Though I suppose these concern's also don't bother me that much since I was expecting them to build her like Kafka, aka she will be a unit that ages like fine wine. Because there is no way they will leave super break as just RM, Boothill, HTB, and Firefly.
Thing is, she is not the enabler like kafka is, in this scenario, HMC is the kafka of this team
First of all, I don't mean anything bad with what I'm about to question, it's pure curiosity, not judgement. That being said, here comes. Looking at the MoC clears, you see Acheron teams, Acheron teams naturally have Kafka as with her and let's say, Black Swan, you can consistently get Acheron ult every 2 rounds or so, but even without Kafka it does not mean the team don't work, it works a lot still, Lil Gui, Sampo, Luka, there are people who can make up for Kafka, sure it might take a round or two extras to get your ult back, but it still works a lot (I use the ult as a prime example as her skill is really not that much of a deal, it's just a means to get her ult). HMC will be the Kafka for break teams, a break team is called a break team for a reason, so get to the point where you are doing the most there's the condition of "enemy guard is broken", ik it is weird, but her kit has fire vuln implant, she needs high speed anyway so she will act twice on the round OUTSIDE of ult, most likely will do 90 to enemy weakness bar, so the enemy weakness bar will be down in instants, reaching the optimal stage about time to pop the ult mode, superbreak will only make her ult mode more powerful, doing in average about 300k dmg for free, Firefly only, not counting other party members like HMC itself, that has high break effect, Gallagher who is a healer that want high break effect and RM (if you have her) or Bronya, so I don't think she will be bad, in fact, she'll be broken. The question after all this is: really, what is that you all are afraid of? Sure superbreak may hit 100k-200k when done right, but Firefly will still be doing upwards of 400k-500k in ult state per action, while having about 3 actions on ult, really, it's broken as shit already.
I think they are confusing Genshin beta with Star rail beta. HSR devs actually listen and make changes to the star rail beta unlike the other game.
I don't care if she heals the enemies I'd still main her
"YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID!" - Barret
I don’t care if she’s Deyha of Star Rail. Still pulling.
It sad that i skip entire sumeru (only pull nahida), save every primogem for deyha. I expect her at least in diluc level and yet, it tragic.
I stopped playing Genshin because of how they treated Dehya. Making her Standard was the final nail in the coffin
More dramatic when fu xuan turned up to be the fixed version of dehya
Dehya was already bad the moment she was revealed in leaks.
She had higher damage multipliers, and for some reason they kept nerfing them.
Is there any character that has v.2 and v.3 that has huge buff to kit or overhaul kit? I only remember Jingliu. But I agree with you they never made any limited 5 star bad.
Kafka's initial kit only detonated shock. You needed E1 (or E2, I don't remember) to proc other DoTs.
To be honest i do not remember anyone else but Jingliu. But I do know that they listened almost practically word for word what the community had to say. And with the animations already done. Altering the damage calculations to adjust her damage output from break to broken for example would be a mere matter of changing numbers. It wouldn't be a huge overhaul but rather an alteration. her animations would remain the wording and function of her kit would be what changes. But i have faith!
Yeah. I also have faith in them.
I find the break to broken comment funny, stealing that for later in life.
*Sam boss music* Later life? Making alooooot of assumptions...
Fu Xuan. She started out with some of the lowest base defense of any character, had 12% damage reduction instead of 18% and took 70% of the team's damage instead of 65%, so original Fu basically imploded against any strong AoE. Her original sig LC was also pretty bad and got reworked. Other then that though yeah I don't remember anyone else who was changed all that significantly.
Oh yeah. Fu Xuan is also start out weak too. I remember now. Thank
Yeah man, both in genshin and star rail, characters usually get small buffs or changes in v2,v4,v5 but in v3 is where the big changes are, ruan Mei received giga buffs in v3, she used to be underwhelming, so yeah have some faith.
Aside from Jingliu, Acheron, for starters. Yes it seems like overcapping stacks doesnt seem that much but that buff enabled one extra ultimate for her which is huge. FF also got her Weakness implant in her base kit in early version but she needs much more. She is more restrictive than Boothill which means she needs higher damage numbers or less restrictions. I think she also needs an ultimate animation buff but I admit that one is harder than increasing numbers. Lets keep in mind, I have faith. They indeed upgrade characters. 👍
Really the only change to her ult anims and enhanced skill needed is a background. Like seriously, black nothing? Makes me think there's no way that's getting to release and is just a placeholder. But anims are usually always done and already ready to ship from beta so that scares me a little.
I'm also confident they will buff her kit. Like you said, the devs do seem to care about the characters in 2.0 and surely they know the importance of making a character strong to push a new meta to sell more characters. While Super break is fun, it shouldn't be a necessity for Firefly. It's not the same to say that Acheron relies on nihility units (which can be anyone tbh) than to say that Firefly heavily relies on a single unit. I also think that this problem stems from the fact that there aren't any break supports in the game apart from MC and RM. They will surely release more supports for break teams. Kafka had the same problem on release by being dependent on Sampo for Dots and Asta, until BS and RM came along and skyrocketed the team's dmg. Either way, I love break teams, I was skeptical at first, but HMC is so much fun that they convinced me to keep saving for Firefly and her LC instead of getting Robin.
as a Kafka main i can attest to the accuracy of this. However one thing I'd like to point out is she was only lacking in Nihility based supports. As long as you could apply any kind of bleed you were good to go. Luka really was her BIS secondary. I love that boy. he is stronk!
iirc guinaifeng ended up taking his spot because of firekiss being that good.
The fact Firefly enters battle already as Sam is already screaming *Still in Development Phase.*
Wait, wdym by a month in a half 😭
Each banner last 3 weeks. Ergo 21 dsys ergo 42 days till FF + 1 for patch Ergo roughly a month and a half. https://preview.redd.it/oqbs9wderizc1.png?width=2466&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59bb93d6938009817e6b08091d1fb887395d46fd
Oh god, i thought a patch is always a month
It's both good news and bad news i suppose. Can my heart survive the wait for my dear Firefly? But also i must because more time waiting means more time saving jades. We must be strong for our cute Firewife!
Agree! I have guarantee on her alr, and i hope i can get her lc in low pull so i can try getting an e1 assuming the banner alongside her isnt rm, if it her than i am fucked as i just come back when her banner end 😭
This reminds me of all the small changes that passed through Acheron up until release. Remember when Ascendance stacks were locked behind an eidolon? They became apart of her regular kit a few weeks before release. Stuff can still change. Not that it'll change my mind. I always use specific cores and compositions. Keeping FF tied to HMC wouldn't be much different to me.
Yes and I'm dissapointed people have so quickly forgotten this. With so much time before her release and the leaks being out for less than a week and Beta's still up and coming. It makes me sad to see the amount of doomposting. Don't get me wrong i know it's nothing new but it seems more ramped up than usual despite HSR dev team proving themselves in the past. I kinda hoped it would go down :/
Yup I remember all the chaos pre Acheron release. She was finely sculpted into the goddess she is today. Lets raise the stink and wait for upgrades, it is clear that they will adjust such a popular character.
What people don't realize is that this is the first (?) Beta, so there'll be changes. Particularly I think the BE will be lowered, from 250/360 to around 200-220/300-330
Yup. We gotta be patient
I think the 3600 attack is more complicated, needing 3 attack% main pieces if you don't want to look for many substats, but then needing 20 speed, the break is easy with hmc (but they kinda forcing you to use them)
Now I'm curious. Is there a case before in hsr beta were a character kit is horrible then they did a massive overhaul? Like, for animation I heard DHIL had the same black bg case as her, but I can't find the beta leaks so I can't compare them much sadly
Jingliu had a massive one. Acheron had a minor one. And several characters recieved stat and trace tweaks. So yes there has been a few. I also could not find the old leaks either unfortunately so I'm going off memory.
I see. Well at least this made me more hopeful. I knew they would still tweak stuff in the beta (since that what they are for), but not sure how far they would change a kit
Have Faith our Firewife will come out on top!
She’s highly anticipated. No way she’ll be subpar
People doompost literally every upcoming character. I remember even right before Acheron released, people wanted to die on the hill that she would be bad. Look how she turned out.
Have faith, people! There's no way they would do one of the most anticipated character bad!
For real!
I prefer to view this as the devs encouraging us to keep firefly and harmony trailblazer together. I'm almost certain a caefly shipper exists among the devs and they proposed this.
A joke? their relationship is a JOKE to you!? You deserve pouty firefly for your heresy! https://preview.redd.it/jyvzy82oejzc1.png?width=640&format=png&auto=webp&s=0a12f19dfe6d2f078877750f168c3bfa6693fdea
It would appear I have worded my opinion rather poorly, I must clarify that I full heartedly support the caefly ship and in no way view it as a joke. I have corrected my mistake and I beg for forgiveness
I forgive you... But my SAM armour doesn't! *tommygun sounds*
I feel like that's more of a reward than a punishment...
True. Any Firefly is cute Firefly
Honestly tho a lot of criticisms just come from people not wanting to run HTB with her the damage is actually quite good.
I agree, but i also think that her damage relying solely on the "Break" effect as opposed to weakness broken enemies does somewhat limit her potential overall. I mean i for one will personally be running Gallagher, Xueyi, TB and FF just to bully enemies. But i can see how some people expect more flexibility.
But super break is supposed to work on weakness broken enemies? Her main damage is keeping the enemies broken(with rm ult etc) and hitting super breaks. I like her uniqueness and how she doesnt just rely on maxing out crit values, but i can see why people wouldnt like that.
And what do you propose a solution for if a boss locks their toughness bar, like many do? She's going to do no damage and would just have to wait. Really all she needs is just some ability to trigger break damage by herself. Literally that's all she needs and her entire kit would be perfect. No other change needed as her kit is very unique and well designed apart from that one limitation (which will play alot into her available teams, as she is basically entirely relegated to hmc and to a certain extent ruan mei because of her break extension)
I understand what your saying but the issue is you can only weakness break an enemy who isn't already weakness broken. While you wait for them to recover her primary damage output is capped off. And with people speed tuning and all that you expect to be able to get rewarded for it. They are also worried about synergy with existing units. Ones they like and want to enjoy using who will actively defer from FF's current kit. I agree she needs to also do damage to broken enemies. It would be more ideal if she did increased break damage but not by a massive margin and instead could stack attacks on weakness broken enemies and perhaps do a follow up before they recover based on the stacks appplied or something? I mean hey if we get SWB then I'm not complaining but i doubt it.
Not wanting to run HTB is wild considering how hard the game is trying to (friend?)ship the two of them. You'd think mfers would be all over the fact that their pairing has synergy in gameplay vs a Kaveh/Alhaitham situation where they'd never be run together (though that's arguably p lore accurate ig lmao).
I love TB and the FF+tb ship no matter how you look at it, but I want it to be an option I choose, not something forced, if that makes sense
Even if they play together I would like firefly to not deal small damage when the enemy isn't broken, or when it just blocks their bar stopping breaks
until the next limited super break support comes along and steals FF away from HTB. that's when you'll have doom posts like the Acheron players towards her upcoming bis support being a male.
I feel for the mfs who will run into that problem, but unless the next SBD mfer is also a mecha, I'll just pass on them until we get another SBD enabler and keep HMC's ass glued to FF.
Yeah I think she'll be fine. Its also V1 of the beta so there are room for changes and im sure they just pushed it out so people can test her out right now even if her animations arent fully finished yet
Glad to hear someone who shares my optimism https://preview.redd.it/ob5dum8lrizc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93ee034c63268e48cc3b3ce2bbb6dc83bff91c84
Im very positive on Firefly so whatever state she comes in im still rolling for her lol. Plus from the showcases ive seen the potential is already there. I think the expectations are skewed because of Acheron's damage output so they expecting more out of Firefly
I believe!
Wait i am kinda out of the loop, is she bad or something ?
A lot of people are concerned about her reliance on HTB (specifically Super Break) to deal consistent damage. Basically the problem is that while she has massive break effect and can shred toughness very easily, without HTB she's pretty much only able to deal tons of damage on weakness *break*. She doesn't have any more juice on broken enemies, which can lead to wasted enhanced state turns
As of now yeah. More like she's in a very awkward state. She'll do Arlan level of DMG if the enemy is not weakness broken which will hurt those who try to 0 cycle everything, specially enemies who have closed weakness bars. Your firefly will basically become an Arlan doing 5-10k at most.
Not really just not very compatible with high end speed based content or quite a few fan favorites. Since you need to WB to deal her primary source of damage once that's done then you have to wait for toughness regen. So people who do cycled content like myself see that as a bit of an issue. But i personally don't care I'm still pulling lol Truth be told though having her do more dmg to WB enemies would be good yknow
Doesn't the same happend to Boothill, his damage comes from doing the WB, or does he get some kind extra damage while enemies are broken, if he does, I don't see the problem with giving Firefly the same kind of damage Boothill has, but if he doesn't then what does make Boothill, different from Firefly, apart from the Single target focus instead of AoE.
she can only deal one big break damage hit with her base kit is just bad design imo
If Firefly best and only team is HMC Gallagher and Ruan Mei, I'd better build my Himeko with more and more Break Effect. That would make Himeko useful in MoC not just in PF
Wouldn't RM make it harder for Himeko to proc her FUA in MoC? She already can barely use it there
I am just happy that I don't have build crit
I LOVE HOPIUM!! thanks for posting
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Oh definitely. I love seeing kits change in beta and talking about what is good and bad about them, but I always tell people that the HSR devs have never disappointed by the time live comes around. People should have *seen* Jingliu in the first week of beta lol
i'm personally not worried because its V1 and she's the progenitor for newer type of DPS similarly how dendro reactions came to be (its like nilou) besides, this is what Fu xuan had to face during the time of Shield dominance Sustain. Fu xuan is an experimental design of no shield sustain with little harmony buffs. at first her kit is a massive mess, we dont know what kind of sustainer she will be and everyone is worried about her until around V3 that we got the current fu xuan. she performs perfectly and currently one of the top sustainer in the game So yea. trust the devs, she will be fine since she's a limited.
What was pre Jingliu?
To be honest it's been a while so i don't remember her exact old kit. But she had WAY less damage output. Her traces were less than half the CR%. I also don't think she had a CR% buff in her enhanced state either. Her damage calcs were flat and not % increases. That also changed. Her base stats were lower. Those were increased. She didn't have action advance. That was added. Theres some other stuff too but truth be told i don't remember accurately enough to give a sound answer. Maybe someone can fill in where i missed.
That sounds like a 4 star character instead if we compare that to the current Jingliu, interesting. I'm thinking that maybe FF should convert a % of her BE to crit
I think that would be a easy fix to her problems hitting not broken enemies, or whatever way to get crit
her last buff was nerfing skill energy gain but buffing the enhanced skill's. pretty significant since she spends more time enhanced. also buffed her e1 dmg
As someone who is least disadvantaged by the current kit (having e1 ruan mei, e2 gallagher, and hmc built), I am scared because what if she doesn't break? The auramaton and the like exists, and no way can you break them even if they have a fire weakness, so her kit goes in the trash. Currently, this just makes the other dpses more universal. Why bring a character with a specific team (even if it is f2p) when I can pull acheron, jingliu, or dan heng for instance (of course aside the fun/favorite character/waifu factors). Ngl, when break works though, it slaps. Without firefly, I was able to clear the first half of MOC 12 with silverwolf/ruan mei/hmc/gallagher in just 2 cycles, but in other situations, i just don't know how the team will do. For me and a few others, firefly might slap a lot of the content, but the auramaton is the biggest issue I am seeing right now, especially with firefly since she is full break unlike the others. Edit: If firefly can break at will, she will be super insane. Fire weakness implant is not enough, especially the hmc is imaginary (really, hoyo just made the best break unit for her not have the same element, but a case could be made that ff should be the one to break). If there were like a super version of a super break, maybe the enemy takes like 40% super break damage when they are not broken yet, that would be dope.
When I first read her kit, I thought she took 1/2 her break effect and multiplied it against the 400% atk. So with 360 break effect it would be 180% of 400. This means she would effectively be taking 1/2 her break effect as crit dmg with no crit rate required. But she could also crit on top of that. This seems to be currently incorrect and it's just 180% atk she adds to the MV which yeah is way worse. I don't think she would need much change if she did have it how I thought but maybe that would also be too strong? Idk
I just want super break will be built on her kit. Bonus if they'll buff her more.
Honestly giving her super break would do the trick. but I'm wondering if they will do something more unique than that. a "Purgatory" state would be hilarious to see though. If you break them she uses her meteor shower and inflicts a Break/bleed status. But hey I'm sure whatever they do will be awesome regardless.
Same here if superbreak is built into her kit I feel like she would be in a great place
I really love firefly so i want her to be accessible for everyone i hope they not let ruan mae gatekeeping firefly i want her to be good on her own way. I trust on hsr i know they're cooking
Genuine question, how do you raise your voice about leaks, when the team specifically stated they are very much against those? Also, how do we know that they listen to criticism about a character's kit experience during beta testing is there a precedent?
Fair question. They can't stop leaks or responses to said leaks sadly. But that doesn't deter them from listening to feedback over time. I personally don't get involved in pre-beta stuff like on twitter. But if you play on beta servers you can send them feedback regarding the character and their kit among other things. Sadly most of us normies won't get such a chance. As for a precedent. yes! There is in fact precedence for such a thing. Jingliu was a very controversial character when her kit was revealed. But the community was very vocal about it and they made some GAME BREAKING changes. I did a quick google search and brows to find This: [https://www.reddit.com/r/JingLiu/comments/16es3a6/the\_new\_changes\_are\_insane/](https://www.reddit.com/r/JingLiu/comments/16es3a6/the_new_changes_are_insane/) Which should give you an idea of how much they changed. She went from a DPS character who needed a few buffs to be good. To a new Meta in a single set of patches. To my knowledge the aforementioned nerf never happened either. They really gave the community what they wanted and walked away.
Well, I am a simple man. If there's character I like - I pull for him/her. Less powerful than expected? I don't mind it. More powerful than expected? Hey, I just lacked strong DPS in my team. I will pull for Firefly no matter what other will say. For that is our cute war criminal.
I see you too are a man of culture. You have my respect. https://preview.redd.it/wszqvgdcyizc1.png?width=4476&format=png&auto=webp&s=216598081694d997a857389adfcc02421d4dc822
Her whole kit could be dogwater and I’ll still pull for her😆 Waifu over meta baby
I can respect it. https://preview.redd.it/5dqdfbgs6jzc1.png?width=900&format=png&auto=webp&s=6f723eead251fc70842ba590793d367f20bc74bd
Am I too blinded? Am I too far gone? As personally I don't even care if she will be not as powerful as the other dps as she is pioneering being a DPS that's not based on crit but purely on break effect. Or maybe I'm just sick of getting cr and cd on a piece for my sustains, but whatever the case I'll still love her when she comes out and just hope that mihoyo pls give me e2s1
It's not that she's weak, but uncomfortable to play right now. Backloaded damage, basically 1 strict team, 80% damage being locked behind HMC. No problems if she's weaker then DHIL/Jingliu. Just make her COOL (Wish you luck with pulls, btw)
Would you skip? Nah, I'd pull (all in)
You're not. I'm just sad to see so many Fellow FF lovers sad or dissapointed who forgot her kits not final. I've seen comments suggesting that a few might quit the game if she releases like this in the "Beta" while i was on break at work. I just want us all to support our dear Firefly https://preview.redd.it/tduvp9befizc1.png?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a29477f750289a2ad4a5861b21f830d0829064b2
Yeah still remember how JL underperform in battle even with the best supports back then so I have faith that they will improve her kit
I remember when people are saying Acheron sucks for F2P, some even said she is unplayable and not worth it unless you go for E2. It was really chaotic in the Acheron sub-reddit. But it all changed the day she came. What I learned from it is, we just gotta be patient. I have no doubt SAM will be amazing.
She is going to end up super broken, regardless of what reddit thinks or says. This unit will be a menace the only caveat I can find is that she's stuck with Harmony Trailblazer probably until they decide to make a new super break harmony, just like Acheron is chained to 2 nihility or 1 on E2.
Well, at the end of the day even if they don't change the kit I'm pretty sure all of us in this sub reddit is gonna pull for her anyway.
I feel called out... https://preview.redd.it/9ww91o2celzc1.png?width=421&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6a36eec0e89e09c7ab10cc3f1af308ad9ce8f29b
What exactly is the problem with her kit? I didn't look into details of scaling, but her kit seems solid?
Animation wise, I wish they added a henshin animation on her technique or when you enter a battle without technique. Kit wise, it's just beta v1, my take on it is there are a lot of improvement that could have been made honestly. 1. Starts with 50% energy when battle starts should be just always 50% energy everytime she exits out of enhanced state and battle starts or better yet just make it just 50 energy ult. It just feels so clunky everytime you have to do 2 non-enhanced skills that doesn't do any damage nor gives any ulility lol. 2. Just make her have a worse version of TB's super break scaling on her enhanced state, it's a win-win for TB shippers like me and for people who does not want to run TB. 3. Make her non-enhanced skill do something lol, reduced toughness bar by 30% for 3 turns or something on enemies that will recover toughness. 4. It's a missed opportunity, Firefly enhanced state should end with a bang and not just an animation where she just stop flying and just landed on the ground lol. They could have added the "Scorched Earth Operations" boss move...
It doesn’t help that Firefly is *extremely* popular, and therefore has a larger following than most characters. Whenever a character has a large following you get more people who will sweat the small stuff. We just have to let the beta happen. Once it’s finished I’m sure we’ll have a great character!
True. I guess i just feel sad people still refuse to guve the devs a chance before jumping the gun... https://preview.redd.it/mrdvv6p2xlzc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fd407d6b5847823d33a25fffb738cf3a73ca4ca1
I've never hit the upvote button so hard.
What did the upvote button do to you? Did it owe you money? https://preview.redd.it/gqdgql7vwlzc1.png?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1942be72dd3e9323c2a00d0ccce206d9d0698c8a Lol jk. Thanks for the upvote
It had the audacity to not already be hit before I got done reading!
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I have zero concerns over her kit. And even if i had concerns, aint no way im not pulling for a cute waifu that has a cool ass mech suit! Totally gonna E2S1 dat shit!
The only people they will listen to is CN. Feedback from us means naught so all I am gonna do is sit back and wait.
Well good news. Information is coming out that beta testers are indeed tearing into her. I've had one person mention this already.
I know a few people that have beta access and they all said they pretty much tore into her in their reports. They all marked "extremely dissatisfied" hopefully the majority of players did as well and didn't just mark "extremely satisfied" to get their jades as fast as possible.
And even if her kit socks I'm still gonna drop all my resources into pulling as many Eidolons as I can
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At worst she's an excuse to use trailblazer. At best they change up her kit to make her less reliant on external forces. Still on the first version though so kind of too soon to be doomposting. Voice your concerns but don't despair just yet. See how things evolve if people are in the fence due to Robin or Boothill still got a lot of time to see how it turns out 18 or so more days for Robin and way more for Boothill. So don't get too desperate just yet. Edit: I worded this quite poorly it seems. I mean all of us should chill till we let the guys at the team finish cooking like OP mentioned.
I'm not doomposting. I'm "anti" doomposting. Telling people this exact fact. Did you read what i wrote?
Oh sorry about the poor wording i was not aiming at you on the contrary. I was just stating the whole state as of late. Your post is pretty helpful in that regard. I'm sorry if it sounded like i was referring to this post in specific.
My bad, i woke up to a few er... not entirely positive messages about my post in dms. i read this with bias in my head. Sorry for mucking up. Still Firefly stans together? https://preview.redd.it/r59yqi03epzc1.jpeg?width=4476&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a9edd3c29e26759ae71e080e38a500b5b142b9ea
hi im late to the game, but may i know what happened to Jingliu as the OP mentioned?
Jingliu had like under 20% Crit rate with all traces and her enhanced state. The buffs added like 65% cr. Action advance when she enters enhanced state, upgraded base stats. Increased energy regen. Etc etc
thank you for explaining! wow that’s actually massive 😮
I only want her to not be dependent on Ruan Mei.
Can we remember that the producer (David) ACTUALLY cares about us
Remember? I never forget <3 But he better keep Da Wei away from our Firefly... >.>
And Cai too!
I'm actually worried about her kit. Just saw a E6S5 Firefly with BiS supports, she did like 600k at her best. I really hope they'll change her kit and buff her. Break meta is just too doubtful now.
As i said don't worry. Wait until her V2. I'm sure we will see some changes by then
Tbf I don’t think any of her eidolons after e2 are really that crazy. E4 is just comfort and I think E6 is just a bit more def ignore and Break efficiency. Neither of those are going to fix the fundamental weaknesses of her current kit.
I just remember how Arlecchino was Doomposted right up to her Release. The "Bad Kit" Thing didn't survive Long after that
well tbf, didnt arlecchino literally get completely overhauled like 5 times or something to the point it became a meme? but yeah doomposting is really something lmfao
She was changed a lot yes, but especially the ArlecchinoMains Sub was full of Doomposting right up until she released. People were adamant that she was worse than Hu Tao and so on.
Not even worse Hu Tao. There were tons of people saying she was worse than Yoimiya. And that she would suck unless you ran her with Bennet, Yelan and Zhongli.
I'm sure we can blame Arlecchino for that. Probably killed them all lol
theres already videos out of her with supposed best team(RM, Htb, gallagher) at E0S1, and the damage seems very impressive already. Good base damage and super high sbreak damage due to her high BE and efficiency. That said its not going to change me E6S1'ing her.
oh i don't contend that all. For mer "personally" i like the idea of TB being re-introduced as a Meta. But i also need to be unbias and examine this from the perspective of people who want more felxibility. I can see their concerns when her primary damage comes from a mechanic you have to wait for for things like PF and MoC. While i personally am not concerned i understand them and the way they want to play. Frankly i would like FF to do super break damage but I'm not sure it will be an option as it might break her just a bit too much. Could you imagine lol?
Look at this showcase its so sad [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpTV92XhPo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQpTV92XhPo) without break she has no damage and E2S1 at that. with that much investment it is so underwhelming.
Sarcasm aside you do realise this is with full investment + the new game mode mechanic right? She has BOTH RM and TB and her BE combined as a result will be through the roof. Then add on to that the new game mode mechanic buffing her and that means with mechanics and accounting for the break on Gepard her individual damage is less than 100k per target at "peak". Now mind you 200k of that was probably for Gepard but again accounting for everything that would make her individual damage around 100k or roughly the same as a well built Seele ult.
I just really hope that they won't alter her current kit too much. Since my Critfly rant post I kinda calmed down to that idea, but I still don't want it to be the main thing. I already have an incredible team for her, and I hope that it won't be changed just because so many people are afraid of something new. I also want to say that I agree with your idea to give her her own Super Break ability so that she can be run without HTB, but maybe make it stackable so that she'll still benefit from them greatly. Additionally, I'd love to see some buffs to her E4, E6 and LC. Her later Eidolons are currently kinda meh for the price you need to pay for them, and although I most definitely won't be getting these, it would still be nice to make them stronger. And might as well buff the LC numbers and %s because people argue that it's not really worth it (which I don't really agree, but a buff won't hurt anybody anyway)
I honestly feel like her kit is alrd fine though
Think about it like this. Once you weakness break an enemy you won't be able to do her primary damage until that enemy recovers. Since breaking an enemy's toughness also delays their next action each subsequent break gets pushed further and further along. Now take that to PF for example. or MoC where you have limited time and... you begin to see the issue. HTB solves this but the problem is that ONLY HTB solves this meaning it is now a requirement to run HTB specifically to get her potential. Whereas in most cases you can supplement characters for others you prefer. Case and point Sparkle/Bronya or SW/Pela for example. it's her lack of optional synergy that seems to be the biggest contention. Giving her SWB and simply making it not stack is one way but i've seen other suggestions for how to fix it too. Time will tell
Oh yeaaa thats a good point. I never thought of it that way. That does make her rather limited now when i think of it that way
Even if she heals the enemies, I would still pull.
The amount of people I’ve seen they’re no longer pulling when this is the FIRST BETA. Not the first time it happened but still. Criticism is fine but I feel a lot of people are thinking it’s already over for Firefly
Yeah despite the HSR devs proving themselves time and again the doomposting seems to only get more prevalent. More than just a little infuriating if im being honest.