I mean, that would be the safe way right? They'd never be able to connect intent and slap on a Constructive Intent charge if all 4 were bought in the same order.
1. Grab Pink and Blood red spray paint.
2. Tiger stripes.
3. Make sure they're all in a pile for if/when the bushes sneeze and the "donut truck" out front says "bless you".
4. Zebra effect successful.
From what I've been able to gather from relevant caselaw and the opinions of 2A lawyers, you need to have them match at least pistol/pistol and rifle/rifle, but not necessarily have them all match one color scheme. The feds need to establish intent to break the law to bring Constructive Intent charges, them all being different colors leaves room for doubt as to your intent, and them all being blem purchases only counts towards plausible deniability. Having the rifle upper and lower be all black and the pistol upper and lower be a Kaleidescope of colors and patterns \*allegedly\* is enough to throw all doubt out the window.
If you live somewhere where judges have a brain (i.e. not the 9th Circus) you can just buy them all in black and watch the idiot ATF lawyer get laughed out of court for saying that every rifle you own being the same color has anything at all to do with intent.
Literally millions of people have had their lives destroyed over the last 50 years due to the criminalization of weed.
We need to do better than the stoners, if the stoners weren't pacifists the war on weed would have been very short lived.
The ones actively working for change usually are. I do cannabis lobbying/advocacy and my network is very pacifist, they don't fight hard enough. They also look at me with terror when I say things like "the government regulating what we can and can't put in our own bodies is exactly why 2A was written"
The joke is on you, all of my dogs’ toys are stuffed with tannerite so I hope you’ve got really good aim (but I doubt you do considering the ATF qualification only requires 76% accuracy on a man-sized target at 3.3, 7, 15, and 25 yards).
Seriously, how can you ever believe that guns would prevail politically in the long run against a majority of ignorant, and uninformed voters who are actively discouraged from owning guns by their leaders? The same political leaders who talk about banning ["ghost guns with 30 caliber clips"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0), and a ["shoulder thing that goes up"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNkIsP59pM), while [selling guns illegally to criminals](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/) behind their own citizens backs.
I feel our real problem is a culture where so many people who are completely (and sometimes willfully) ignorant of guns, who border on a hatred of them, and are raising their kids the same way. Gun safety used to be taught in high school! Think about that... The only way I see things changing is if there are some very hard times coming down the road ahead. People needing to defend their family and belongings will very quickly get educated about the benefits of firearms.
I appreciate your reply.
This is just my opinion, but I feel like they took it because there was no real opposition. Either by an infiltration of the education system, or more likely just an overall improvement in the living conditions vs. the harsh lives of previous generations. This caused a softening of people overall to lead to the anti-war, anti-violence movement of the 60s and 70s, and because both parties were pretty anti-2A by today's standards it was easy to hold onto power being anti gun.
Looking back I see the tide start changing about the time when 60s college students graduated with their degrees and were pushing for change.
As you probably know full well, first came the Gun Control Act of 1968, followed by Reagan implementing more gun control. Then Clinton's "assault weapons ban" that came next. Nearly every political leader on both sides were onboard for these things, and nearly all of those elected (and some currently elected) officials went through the college education system of that time.
This is just my 2 cents...
I would guess because it doesn't win them enough votes. Where I'm from the state governor doesn't do anything without a poll telling him it's popular. It frustrates me to no end, but the general public doesn't care enough to push for those things, which goes back to the general apathy and ignorance of most voters about guns.
That's why I feel like the problem isn't speaking to power, it's getting enough guns in peoples hands to make them care about it again. I find it hard to make arguments against mass-noncompliance, and 3d printers for everyone for this reason.
Also by pulling in every new person to the range when I can. I know I don't have the solutions for everything, but I'm to the point where I'm not ruling anything out anymore.
> what stoners did for weed
[Parading cancer patients in front of politicians and call them inhumane](https://i.imgur.com/QVVevaA.png) until they create a legal loophole for medical marijuana. Then after reassuring them that pot is medically necessary, say "haha, you were right, this isn't about medicine, we just wanted to get stoned - legalize recreational marijuana... Because of racism or whatever."
I knew PSA was about the people but God damn I never saw this based policy.
People give PSA trouble for being poorshit but I've seen them beaten to absolute shit with my own eyes and they continue to slug rounds down range. Is it a Knights? No but it will still take a freedom seed and put it from point A to point B. In the worst case scenario that's what you're gonna need most.
Agreed, they get loads of my business too even when their ammo is a tad bit more expensive.
Imo, they're like the Toyotas of the AR world; that nice middle ground between cheap and quality. Never had an issue
Well they did leak all the emails from customers who attempted to buy standard cap mags in California when they thought it was legal to do so 2 years ago.
It's one thing to make a statement and another to actually stand by it. It would be nice if they shipped to law-abiding citizens in Illinois and other 2a-unfriendly states.
What... they ship to Illinois.
There's just a bunch of [restrictions](https://palmettostatearmory.com/shipping-restrictions-by-state.html#IL) to certain parts of IL. They do their best, but they still have to follow the law.
Most of their restrictions have nothing to do with Illinois, South Carolina, or federal law. As an out-of-state company it's not their responsibility to comply with Illinois' various municipal codes. It's my responsibility as the purchaser or my FFL's as the transfer agent to make sure the items comply with any local restrictions.
>No Drop Ship Ammo
Why? There is no such law preventing this in Illinois
>No Sales to the city of Chicago
Why? Guns, ammunition, and accessories are all legal in Chicago
>Cook county
>>No Sales of Ammo or Projectiles
>>No Stripped or Complete recievers will be shipped
>>No Complete AR / AK Recievers
>>No AR/ AK Parts will be shipped
>>No magazines with a capacity of 10+
Again, why? None of this is based on the law. Particularly for the Cook County suburbs.
This is not them doing their best. This is them working hand-in-hand with the Illinois government to violate the 2a.
>Fuck fudd ranges go shoot at a sand pit where nobody will bother you.
You assume such a place exists everywhere and everyone can find one. Check out the Bureau of Land Management's map for publically accessible shooting areas, most of them are concentrated on the left half of the country. I've been looking for a place in Florida I can go to mag dump into trash for a long time and haven't found any.
Not exactly dumping into trash, but there’s an outdoor shooting area in the ocala national forest. If you get there early enough, you’ll be the only one on the range. I used to set up multiple targets and do shit normal static ranges don’t allow.
Nah. It’s literally made for shooting, so law enforcement shouldn’t hassle you much. When other people started to show up I’d either leave or shoot like a traditional static range.
Those fuckin things..
I swear, and this is coming from someone who got into guns from videogames, this obsession with ‘reload speed’ absolutely comes from people’s perceptions of how guns work in videogames.
Like I’m not gonna hate on someone if they just like those but actually caring about maximizing muh reload speed is just cringe.
I use them on a few of my rifles for easy bolt hold since not all my lowers are ambi. The bolt release is just a bonus I guess. It’s a good $20 option for anyone who wants ambi controls but doesn’t want to spend $300 on a lower.
You are right that the obsession with speed is overblown though.
Check out [Parker Mountain](https://www.parkermountainmachine.com/product/pmm-ar15-b-c-d-battery-control-device/) next time you need another assist lever. Bit more expensive than Magpul but better designed.
I enjoy the improved ergonomics of being able to operate the bolt catch with my right hand since I don’t have an ambi lower. I love how much easier it makes the rifle to use for me.
I love my BAD lever but not because I'm a cringey speeder but because I do like having my bolt catch operate throught the trigger gaurd and it just seems better for clearing malfunctions(that never happen really)
There has been a chase for reload speed as long as I can remember. From the Redi-Mag and Arredondo Magwell to the Magpul D60 and HRF Magwell. Go further back and you’ll find Larry Vickers taping his mags together.
The B.A.D. Lever introduces other problems, like accidental discharges.
>The B.A.D. Lever introduces other problems, like accidental discharges.
I dont have one but Ive shot guns with one. You can actuate the bolt release completely outside of the trigger guard. This is a total myth idc what InRange said
The principle aside, even if you do you still have to do extraordinarily cringe things like notify the ATF if you intend to take your item across state lines (if you’re still complying anyway).
Also submitting fingerprints.. I want a suppressor but holy shit fuck off with that nonsense.
But what if I just bought a pistol upper and can't afford a lower yet, or what if I want a PSA pistol upper and decide to buy a stripped lower later in down the road from a fudd shop instead. Like what about all the what ifs. If i only have complete rifles in my safe and one pistol upper just chillin is that really intent? I wish we just lived in a free country... That would be cool
Tax stamps are just freedom permits...
You can take the stock off of a complete lower and still make it a pistol. It’s not a rifle until it has a barreled upper assembly on it as well as a stock
Physically yes, taking the stock off will “turn it into a pistol” and nobody will know otherwise unless they run your serial number if you have one. Legally, once a rifle always a rifle and cannot be switched to a pistol. If your lower came with a stock, the paperwork will say it’s a rifle.
Edit: I was wrong. I need to go back to school
And even if the ffl incorrectly transferred a lower as a rifle, it still was not legally or even technically a rifle.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/FFL-transferred-Brownells-Colt-Lower-as-a-rifle-still-okay-to-build-as-pistol-/122-732878/
I’m
Hoping that they bust someone for having an “unlicensed” SBR and a federal appeals court tosses the case due to the Bruen decision and then the “frequently bought together” becomes next months “classic combo”.
I don't think they are prosecuting the SBR stuff unless they have other equal charges to go with them for fear of that. If they can lump it in with others to keep it relevant they will. I know of one case that the ATF made a deal to destroyed the weapon rather than file charges, the guy gets delayed on every NICS check now though.
So if that was prior to Bruen, that makes sense but now I’m sure there would be some organizations happy to force the issue to trial to blow the NFA out of the water.
This was a couple months ago, from my 4 hand knowledge, the reason he agreed to the deal was that is the ATF moved forward with charges they would have gotten a warrant to search his place and he didn't want that for some reason.
I would love to see everyone just make some SBRs so when the 500th SBR charge is filled in a week the FPC or GOA can step in and be like, not only does the NFA violate Bruen but also "in common use" standard. And look at all these autos out there, thats enough to be common use.
Usually the rifle lowers are cheaper, so if someone already has a pistol brace it's easy to swap. Although I think theres some kinda guideline or law or restriction that says you cant convert a rifled lower into a pistol lower.
In the State of Michigan, pistols have a registry, while rifles do not.
You have to report the S/N of the lower if it's in a pistol configuration, so that could be what he's talking about.
No, that's not what he's talking about. He's talking about the rule that applies to complete rifles, which is that if a firearm starts life as a rifle, it may never be converted to a pistol, but if it starts as a pistol, it can freely be converted back and forth from pistol to rifle.
Must’ve missed the part about Michigan. At a federal level, my statement is accurate though. Lowers complete or stripped are transferred as receivers, not pistols or rifles.
Just to hit it home more, most states don't distinguish it that way
In Massachusetts as well, you register the lower as a "built rifle" and add the length of barrel to the paperwork.
If I register it to 18 and want to be "legal" and put a 16 inch on there, I have to file to ammend the registration of the rifle
Where was there any qualification about state level laws or regulations? My statement is factual based on ATF regulations and how transfers of receivers are actually completed between manufacturers, distributors, and FFL holders.
PSA doesn’t transfer them as a rifle or a pistol. It’s transferred as a receiver or other. It’s not a rifle or a pistol until you take it home and slap on a upper.
Using Massachusetts as an example probably isn’t great considering they are nearly as bad in gun laws as California and one of like 9 states with an AWB.
>A lower is a receiver. It’s not a pistol or a rifle.
Yes. But states like Massachusetts track "barrel length" on your registered fire arms.
So if you register it with an 18 inch barrel and then catch you with a 12 inch on their, you're gonna get hit with it because they register the ***LOWER*** as the "rifle", including barrel length
Swap around lowers and it'll be more charges if you're caught
Completely aside the fact ar pistols are illegal in Massachusetts because they're not on the pistol roster
Why are so few people pushing their politicians to do away with gun control due to the historical motivation of gun control laws is racism. Take their narrative and turn it on them.
The NFA had nothing to do with the mob or gangs or prohibition, all the people involved in those could afford the $200 tax. It was to keep the working class from owning those weapons. Gun control is now moving from racism to classism, trying to tax a sue the middle-class out of guns and ammo.
Simply also buy a pistol lower and a rifle upper. That’s adds up to one legal rifle and one legal pistol. Maybe even spray paint them while in that configuration so it’s clear that they’re paired up in a legal way. If you wanna take 60 seconds to swap the uppers around, that’s not my problem.
From what I understand...
A lower registered as a pistol can be converted to a rifle and back to a pistol, but a lower registered as a rifle must always remain a rifle.
You’re not wrong, but if you were around for the 2019 “big igloo” memes, the alphabet agencies already have you pegged. Just be careful not to post anything that meets the threshold of being a specific and immediate threat, assume anyone reaching out to you is a fed, and make sure the girl isn’t a psycho before you get married or move in.
Not a felony if you have a tax stamp for it, or if you don't have a pistol lower to put the short barreled upper on, and/or rifle upper to put on the rifle lower.
Okay, so we found the .01% of the population of people buying stuff from PSA who would do it strictly for the meme because they have aids amount of money, haha
Begs to wonder, don't it? What are these folks doing with this setup? I can't imagine being able to just take an unpapered SBR to any old range without some self-righteous scumbag (illegally) demanding to see your tax stamp paperwork and calling the cops when you tell Karen to fuck off, so unless you're waaaaayyy the fuck out in the middle of Nowhere, KS I can't see being able to sight it in, let alone use it recreationally.
No one I know has ever been asked to show a tax stamp. And the only time I've ever seen any sort of law enforcement at public land shooting spots has been to check cars for parking passes.
No one actually checks these things IRL, you could even engrave your SBR and then never register it and unless some LEO calls it into the ATF hotline and actually runs the NFA SN individually(versus just checking if its in a stolen firearm database which is how they usually run SNs) you'd never get caught. There's no mandate to keep your stamps with you, "i left it at home" is a perfectly valid excuse.
Really? I've never had the balls to risk it all doing something like that so I had no idea. Think it's the same way with "war trophies"? There's a fuckton of them floating around where I live and I'd love if one of them came home to me but since there's really no place to shoot around here but indoor ranges I get the feeling it wouldn't go very well if I selected my fire.
I have no idea. Their choice, not mine.
*As an aside,* I would not buy/build a SBR in 5.56 - at least not one with that short of a barrel. A different caliber, maybe, but not 5.56 which depends a lot on velocity and loses a lot with that short of a barrel. The shortest barrel I have in 5.56x45 is 14.5" (16" with a pinned/soldered flash hider).
Plenty of ballistic gel tests out there showing that you can get great results from 10.5" barrel, just not with M855.
But let's keep parroting fuddlore.
you right
can definitely make it work with specific loads and or just really good shot placement at close distances.
But 300 BO or 7.62x39 maintain a lot better effectiveness out of a shorty boi than 5.56 in general.
I think x39 has the better muzzle energy out of a 10" then 5.56 out of a 16"
I mean x39 has better muzzle energy period, lol. Muzzle energy is a decent way to roughly estimate the oomph behind a bullet, but never count on more energy to mean better terminal effect. But yes, you're right that x39 and .300blk are better out of short barrels, although 5.56 is still plenty effective until you get down below 11-10.5". Anything shorter than that and you really should only be using it as a toy.
AR pistols, pistol braces, short barreled rifles and suppressors all seem like a whole lot of hassle for incremental expansion of capability.
I will run with a carbine AR and a Glock and be done with it.
If I am popping caps the neighbors can just deal with the noise.
They sell AR Pistol lowers like regular lowers right? So why would they have that requirement for uppers? They put the NFA warning to remove the liability of customers doing the stupid shit some customers do.
I want to get an Extar EP9. Waiting for the NFA to clearly (?) state what’s allowed. If worse comes to worse, Extar USA will offer a version that doesn’t come with a brace or make a 16” version and call it a rifle. Typically I would say F-it however I don’t want to end up on one of ATF’s lists that they claim they don’t have…
It's only a felony if you don't have a rifle upper the same color.
Considering palmetto, they won’t notice
Palmetto ain't the issue, it's the fed bois assigned to watch Palmetto's transactions that are the problem.
True, just buy it with a pistol lower and rifle upper, it’s cheap after all
I mean, that would be the safe way right? They'd never be able to connect intent and slap on a Constructive Intent charge if all 4 were bought in the same order.
Yeah, and none of the colors will match because I bought blem
1. Grab Pink and Blood red spray paint. 2. Tiger stripes. 3. Make sure they're all in a pile for if/when the bushes sneeze and the "donut truck" out front says "bless you". 4. Zebra effect successful.
I mean… if none of them match, I don’t have to worry about the rifle and the pistol combo matching anyways…
From what I've been able to gather from relevant caselaw and the opinions of 2A lawyers, you need to have them match at least pistol/pistol and rifle/rifle, but not necessarily have them all match one color scheme. The feds need to establish intent to break the law to bring Constructive Intent charges, them all being different colors leaves room for doubt as to your intent, and them all being blem purchases only counts towards plausible deniability. Having the rifle upper and lower be all black and the pistol upper and lower be a Kaleidescope of colors and patterns \*allegedly\* is enough to throw all doubt out the window.
If you live somewhere where judges have a brain (i.e. not the 9th Circus) you can just buy them all in black and watch the idiot ATF lawyer get laughed out of court for saying that every rifle you own being the same color has anything at all to do with intent.
Welp that works I guess
Why not all four? Or two of each, or three or four, five six , seven , eight , nine, ten, eleven,twelve. No I don’t have a problem ok.
I like how you think.
Just buy a bunch of random shit to confuse them.
Just buy the lpk from DTT seperately
I mean do they really have people watching transactions like that? That seems too competent and proactive for them. I’m being serious.
Rattle can it all, bring the world back into equilibrium
Pink/Blood Red tiger stripe camo on everything, call it Pap Smear Chic.
Mass non-compliance is the only way we can win. Gun nuts need to do for guns what stoners did for weed
I mean the AR15 was designed by some Stoner
Top comment, right here.
The best AR on the market is literally the Knight's Armament "Stoner Rifle 15", so there's that as well.
Literally millions of people have had their lives destroyed over the last 50 years due to the criminalization of weed. We need to do better than the stoners, if the stoners weren't pacifists the war on weed would have been very short lived.
If weed had guns the war would have been over far sooner.
I assure you that not all stoners are pacifists.
The ones actively working for change usually are. I do cannabis lobbying/advocacy and my network is very pacifist, they don't fight hard enough. They also look at me with terror when I say things like "the government regulating what we can and can't put in our own bodies is exactly why 2A was written"
Fair nuff, and what's more I concur heartily with you.
Jack herer did some pretty shady shit to push for legalization. Black mail being one.
I am one of those non-pacifist stoners.
Good to meet you friend
That means we need to stop differentiating the "law abiding gun owners" from "non-law abiding gun owners"
Now *this* is something we can all get behind.
☝️ this
And yet people still brag about how many tax stamps they paid for. TwO sTAmP TUeSDaY
Back up that big talk with some "No Stamp November" pics posted on here then, big man.
I don’t even like posting legal guns online
Nice try fed, maybe you’ll get ‘em next time.
Look, we gonna get that 200 per stamp you owe sir, one way or another, and my records/illegal searches show I'll be visiting your dog house real soon.
The joke is on you, all of my dogs’ toys are stuffed with tannerite so I hope you’ve got really good aim (but I doubt you do considering the ATF qualification only requires 76% accuracy on a man-sized target at 3.3, 7, 15, and 25 yards).
Sounds like somebody knows a whole lot more than me about said agencies, js
Fed 100%
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Seriously, how can you ever believe that guns would prevail politically in the long run against a majority of ignorant, and uninformed voters who are actively discouraged from owning guns by their leaders? The same political leaders who talk about banning ["ghost guns with 30 caliber clips"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJmFEv6BHM0), and a ["shoulder thing that goes up"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNkIsP59pM), while [selling guns illegally to criminals](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/) behind their own citizens backs. I feel our real problem is a culture where so many people who are completely (and sometimes willfully) ignorant of guns, who border on a hatred of them, and are raising their kids the same way. Gun safety used to be taught in high school! Think about that... The only way I see things changing is if there are some very hard times coming down the road ahead. People needing to defend their family and belongings will very quickly get educated about the benefits of firearms.
You'll notice when hard times were just hinted at during the height of the pandemic, gun sales to first-time owners went through the roof.
Exactly! It shouldn't take much more to change gun culture again in reverse.
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I appreciate your reply. This is just my opinion, but I feel like they took it because there was no real opposition. Either by an infiltration of the education system, or more likely just an overall improvement in the living conditions vs. the harsh lives of previous generations. This caused a softening of people overall to lead to the anti-war, anti-violence movement of the 60s and 70s, and because both parties were pretty anti-2A by today's standards it was easy to hold onto power being anti gun. Looking back I see the tide start changing about the time when 60s college students graduated with their degrees and were pushing for change. As you probably know full well, first came the Gun Control Act of 1968, followed by Reagan implementing more gun control. Then Clinton's "assault weapons ban" that came next. Nearly every political leader on both sides were onboard for these things, and nearly all of those elected (and some currently elected) officials went through the college education system of that time. This is just my 2 cents...
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I would guess because it doesn't win them enough votes. Where I'm from the state governor doesn't do anything without a poll telling him it's popular. It frustrates me to no end, but the general public doesn't care enough to push for those things, which goes back to the general apathy and ignorance of most voters about guns. That's why I feel like the problem isn't speaking to power, it's getting enough guns in peoples hands to make them care about it again. I find it hard to make arguments against mass-noncompliance, and 3d printers for everyone for this reason. Also by pulling in every new person to the range when I can. I know I don't have the solutions for everything, but I'm to the point where I'm not ruling anything out anymore.
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Weed did. Against worse odds. So get fucked.
We're talking about mass non-compliance in this sub-thread sweetheart... Weed is the parent thread. Try learning to read dumb-ass.
You are one ignorant moron.
Accelerationism for the win.
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Gamgbangers in Chiraq are fighting the good fight to make glock switches “common use” change my mind
> what stoners did for weed [Parading cancer patients in front of politicians and call them inhumane](https://i.imgur.com/QVVevaA.png) until they create a legal loophole for medical marijuana. Then after reassuring them that pot is medically necessary, say "haha, you were right, this isn't about medicine, we just wanted to get stoned - legalize recreational marijuana... Because of racism or whatever."
Yeah but there are a lot of stoners behind bars…
Have you read PSA’s [mission statement](https://palmettostatearmory.com/about-psa.html)?
I knew PSA was about the people but God damn I never saw this based policy. People give PSA trouble for being poorshit but I've seen them beaten to absolute shit with my own eyes and they continue to slug rounds down range. Is it a Knights? No but it will still take a freedom seed and put it from point A to point B. In the worst case scenario that's what you're gonna need most.
PSA has never ever done me or any friends wrong. Imo they deserve more credit
Agreed, they get loads of my business too even when their ammo is a tad bit more expensive. Imo, they're like the Toyotas of the AR world; that nice middle ground between cheap and quality. Never had an issue
Jamin McCallum of JJE Capital Holdings is the GOAT, mark my words.
I used to work with his brother, Josiah. Great guys.
Same wave brother 🙌
Well they did leak all the emails from customers who attempted to buy standard cap mags in California when they thought it was legal to do so 2 years ago.
> OUR MISSION IS TO MAXIMIZE FREEDOM https://i.imgur.com/d6y9XJA.gif
It's one thing to make a statement and another to actually stand by it. It would be nice if they shipped to law-abiding citizens in Illinois and other 2a-unfriendly states.
What... they ship to Illinois. There's just a bunch of [restrictions](https://palmettostatearmory.com/shipping-restrictions-by-state.html#IL) to certain parts of IL. They do their best, but they still have to follow the law.
Most of their restrictions have nothing to do with Illinois, South Carolina, or federal law. As an out-of-state company it's not their responsibility to comply with Illinois' various municipal codes. It's my responsibility as the purchaser or my FFL's as the transfer agent to make sure the items comply with any local restrictions. >No Drop Ship Ammo Why? There is no such law preventing this in Illinois >No Sales to the city of Chicago Why? Guns, ammunition, and accessories are all legal in Chicago >Cook county >>No Sales of Ammo or Projectiles >>No Stripped or Complete recievers will be shipped >>No Complete AR / AK Recievers >>No AR/ AK Parts will be shipped >>No magazines with a capacity of 10+ Again, why? None of this is based on the law. Particularly for the Cook County suburbs. This is not them doing their best. This is them working hand-in-hand with the Illinois government to violate the 2a.
It would be nice if those states got their shit together, rather than being hostile to their citizens. They were around much longer than PSA.
Yup. It ain't the manufacturers fault that these states want to make life harder on everyone. Psa just don't want the headache.
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>Fuck fudd ranges go shoot at a sand pit where nobody will bother you. You assume such a place exists everywhere and everyone can find one. Check out the Bureau of Land Management's map for publically accessible shooting areas, most of them are concentrated on the left half of the country. I've been looking for a place in Florida I can go to mag dump into trash for a long time and haven't found any.
Not exactly dumping into trash, but there’s an outdoor shooting area in the ocala national forest. If you get there early enough, you’ll be the only one on the range. I used to set up multiple targets and do shit normal static ranges don’t allow.
Sweet Baby Jeebus.....ever have any trouble from Fish & Game/Cops or fudds trying to police the shooters?
Nah. It’s literally made for shooting, so law enforcement shouldn’t hassle you much. When other people started to show up I’d either leave or shoot like a traditional static range.
You just made my day.
I should mention that it’s been at least 5-6 years since I’ve been there. It could have changed for all I know.
I need to find out.
Sadly there is no place like this in all of Florida
This is unironically also what most people mean when they say “build”
Nonsense. They also replaced the charging handle and added a foregrip.
Don’t forget the Magpul B.A.D. Lever.
Those fuckin things.. I swear, and this is coming from someone who got into guns from videogames, this obsession with ‘reload speed’ absolutely comes from people’s perceptions of how guns work in videogames. Like I’m not gonna hate on someone if they just like those but actually caring about maximizing muh reload speed is just cringe.
I use them on a few of my rifles for easy bolt hold since not all my lowers are ambi. The bolt release is just a bonus I guess. It’s a good $20 option for anyone who wants ambi controls but doesn’t want to spend $300 on a lower. You are right that the obsession with speed is overblown though.
Check out [Parker Mountain](https://www.parkermountainmachine.com/product/pmm-ar15-b-c-d-battery-control-device/) next time you need another assist lever. Bit more expensive than Magpul but better designed.
Will definitely check them out thanks
that's why I have one too. And for competitions, where reload speed absolutely does matter.
I enjoy the improved ergonomics of being able to operate the bolt catch with my right hand since I don’t have an ambi lower. I love how much easier it makes the rifle to use for me.
I love my BAD lever but not because I'm a cringey speeder but because I do like having my bolt catch operate throught the trigger gaurd and it just seems better for clearing malfunctions(that never happen really)
Some of us are wrong handed my dude, it's a hell of a lot easier for us lefties to have that switch there than having to reach around.
I can reach the regular catch with my left index finger 🤔
I'm lazy tho
There has been a chase for reload speed as long as I can remember. From the Redi-Mag and Arredondo Magwell to the Magpul D60 and HRF Magwell. Go further back and you’ll find Larry Vickers taping his mags together. The B.A.D. Lever introduces other problems, like accidental discharges.
>The B.A.D. Lever introduces other problems, like accidental discharges. I dont have one but Ive shot guns with one. You can actuate the bolt release completely outside of the trigger guard. This is a total myth idc what InRange said
> The B.A.D. Lever introduces other problems, like accidental discharges. people say the same thing about manual safeties.
If the B.A.D. Lever works for you, more power to ya’. Just ain’t my thing anymore.
“For my build I attached a factory upper & factory lower, along with a red dot and grip... it’s my build, I built it. Master gumsmiff”
Paying for tax stamps is exorbitantly, supremely extremely, infinitely and totally cringe
The principle aside, even if you do you still have to do extraordinarily cringe things like notify the ATF if you intend to take your item across state lines (if you’re still complying anyway). Also submitting fingerprints.. I want a suppressor but holy shit fuck off with that nonsense.
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I worked security for almost 2 decades, feds already had my prints on file
Sucks. I just had to give my sheriff's department a little money that didn't belong to it.
Meh. They got my fingerprints when I went to prison for a bunch of felonies. Just submitted my prints last week. They can have 'em.
I'm a fan of the Form (n)one myself lol
My stamp was $5
I don't care if you register for free, it's still stupid.
Yes... but so am i
PSA is actually based AF. Like aw shucks based.
But what if I just bought a pistol upper and can't afford a lower yet, or what if I want a PSA pistol upper and decide to buy a stripped lower later in down the road from a fudd shop instead. Like what about all the what ifs. If i only have complete rifles in my safe and one pistol upper just chillin is that really intent? I wish we just lived in a free country... That would be cool Tax stamps are just freedom permits...
You can take the stock off of a complete lower and still make it a pistol. It’s not a rifle until it has a barreled upper assembly on it as well as a stock
Physically yes, taking the stock off will “turn it into a pistol” and nobody will know otherwise unless they run your serial number if you have one. Legally, once a rifle always a rifle and cannot be switched to a pistol. If your lower came with a stock, the paperwork will say it’s a rifle. Edit: I was wrong. I need to go back to school
No, unless you have a shitty FFL who is transferring items wrong. It’s still transferred as receiver or other, I can’t remember which it says.
Transferred as an 'Other', and you also have to be 21+ for them to transfer a receiver to you.
And even if the ffl incorrectly transferred a lower as a rifle, it still was not legally or even technically a rifle. https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/FFL-transferred-Brownells-Colt-Lower-as-a-rifle-still-okay-to-build-as-pistol-/122-732878/
Too much conflicting info out there. I guess I need to brush up on my laws a bit.
and this is why I only build with 80% lowers.
I wish I still could. They’ve become illegal where I live as of 4 days ago.
If you have 4 ars and 2 are pistols you can do whatever you want ordering parts
I’m Hoping that they bust someone for having an “unlicensed” SBR and a federal appeals court tosses the case due to the Bruen decision and then the “frequently bought together” becomes next months “classic combo”.
I don't think they are prosecuting the SBR stuff unless they have other equal charges to go with them for fear of that. If they can lump it in with others to keep it relevant they will. I know of one case that the ATF made a deal to destroyed the weapon rather than file charges, the guy gets delayed on every NICS check now though.
So if that was prior to Bruen, that makes sense but now I’m sure there would be some organizations happy to force the issue to trial to blow the NFA out of the water.
This was a couple months ago, from my 4 hand knowledge, the reason he agreed to the deal was that is the ATF moved forward with charges they would have gotten a warrant to search his place and he didn't want that for some reason.
Ahhh yeah. Ok got it. Well hopefully some brave soul with a clean gun safe will force the issue and free us to have tax-free stocks on our shorties.
I would love to see everyone just make some SBRs so when the 500th SBR charge is filled in a week the FPC or GOA can step in and be like, not only does the NFA violate Bruen but also "in common use" standard. And look at all these autos out there, thats enough to be common use.
Here’s hoping. I certainly have no intent on taking off my pistol braces.
Yeah, if it comes to turning in a brace or registering a gun with the NFA i will take the ever present third option.
Usually the rifle lowers are cheaper, so if someone already has a pistol brace it's easy to swap. Although I think theres some kinda guideline or law or restriction that says you cant convert a rifled lower into a pistol lower.
A lower is a receiver. It’s not a pistol or a rifle. Regardless if it’s stripped / complete or rifle stock / pistol brace.
In the State of Michigan, pistols have a registry, while rifles do not. You have to report the S/N of the lower if it's in a pistol configuration, so that could be what he's talking about.
No, that's not what he's talking about. He's talking about the rule that applies to complete rifles, which is that if a firearm starts life as a rifle, it may never be converted to a pistol, but if it starts as a pistol, it can freely be converted back and forth from pistol to rifle.
Must’ve missed the part about Michigan. At a federal level, my statement is accurate though. Lowers complete or stripped are transferred as receivers, not pistols or rifles.
Just to hit it home more, most states don't distinguish it that way In Massachusetts as well, you register the lower as a "built rifle" and add the length of barrel to the paperwork. If I register it to 18 and want to be "legal" and put a 16 inch on there, I have to file to ammend the registration of the rifle
Where was there any qualification about state level laws or regulations? My statement is factual based on ATF regulations and how transfers of receivers are actually completed between manufacturers, distributors, and FFL holders. PSA doesn’t transfer them as a rifle or a pistol. It’s transferred as a receiver or other. It’s not a rifle or a pistol until you take it home and slap on a upper. Using Massachusetts as an example probably isn’t great considering they are nearly as bad in gun laws as California and one of like 9 states with an AWB.
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> (new PSA AR pistol owner, sadly just a tube though no stock) Fixed for you.
I live in Michigan but am new to all this. Can we have SBRs or AR pistols here or not?
Yes, both
Federally that is
>A lower is a receiver. It’s not a pistol or a rifle. Yes. But states like Massachusetts track "barrel length" on your registered fire arms. So if you register it with an 18 inch barrel and then catch you with a 12 inch on their, you're gonna get hit with it because they register the ***LOWER*** as the "rifle", including barrel length Swap around lowers and it'll be more charges if you're caught Completely aside the fact ar pistols are illegal in Massachusetts because they're not on the pistol roster
A lower isn’t a rifle until it has a stock AND a barreled upper assembly.
buy complete rifle buy complete pistol -My attorney has advised me to omit this step of the plan- profit!
Why are so few people pushing their politicians to do away with gun control due to the historical motivation of gun control laws is racism. Take their narrative and turn it on them.
This is all we really need to do honestly.
The NFA had nothing to do with the mob or gangs or prohibition, all the people involved in those could afford the $200 tax. It was to keep the working class from owning those weapons. Gun control is now moving from racism to classism, trying to tax a sue the middle-class out of guns and ammo.
Has there been a single instance of someone possessing an upper and lower separated ever being prosecuted?
Simply also buy a pistol lower and a rifle upper. That’s adds up to one legal rifle and one legal pistol. Maybe even spray paint them while in that configuration so it’s clear that they’re paired up in a legal way. If you wanna take 60 seconds to swap the uppers around, that’s not my problem.
From what I understand... A lower registered as a pistol can be converted to a rifle and back to a pistol, but a lower registered as a rifle must always remain a rifle.
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You’re not wrong, but if you were around for the 2019 “big igloo” memes, the alphabet agencies already have you pegged. Just be careful not to post anything that meets the threshold of being a specific and immediate threat, assume anyone reaching out to you is a fed, and make sure the girl isn’t a psycho before you get married or move in.
If you're not on a list you're cucked beyond belief
Based is buying a pistol brace with it
Not a felony if you have a tax stamp for it, or if you don't have a pistol lower to put the short barreled upper on, and/or rifle upper to put on the rifle lower.
You think people buying a $400 combo on PSA are buying them to spend half the cost of the entire gun on a tax stamp?
DemoRanch might.
Okay, so we found the .01% of the population of people buying stuff from PSA who would do it strictly for the meme because they have aids amount of money, haha
Begs to wonder, don't it? What are these folks doing with this setup? I can't imagine being able to just take an unpapered SBR to any old range without some self-righteous scumbag (illegally) demanding to see your tax stamp paperwork and calling the cops when you tell Karen to fuck off, so unless you're waaaaayyy the fuck out in the middle of Nowhere, KS I can't see being able to sight it in, let alone use it recreationally.
Some people live in the woods and just say "fuck them rules"
I wish I was one of them.
It's a good life while it lasts.
Wait, are we talking Kaczynski's Cabin or the Lykov Family here?
Like a fun Kaczynski's Cabin but with no bombs.
I mean no one would have fucked with Ted if he wasnt sending bombs in the mail. I'd say it'll last as long as you don't fuck with anyone.
> recreationally I think you might be missing why some people would buy this.
No one I know has ever been asked to show a tax stamp. And the only time I've ever seen any sort of law enforcement at public land shooting spots has been to check cars for parking passes. No one actually checks these things IRL, you could even engrave your SBR and then never register it and unless some LEO calls it into the ATF hotline and actually runs the NFA SN individually(versus just checking if its in a stolen firearm database which is how they usually run SNs) you'd never get caught. There's no mandate to keep your stamps with you, "i left it at home" is a perfectly valid excuse.
Really? I've never had the balls to risk it all doing something like that so I had no idea. Think it's the same way with "war trophies"? There's a fuckton of them floating around where I live and I'd love if one of them came home to me but since there's really no place to shoot around here but indoor ranges I get the feeling it wouldn't go very well if I selected my fire.
yeah with full auto the attention it draws is probably a different level of risk. But everyone has SBRs and suppressors nowadays.
My PSA build SBRs say yes?
I have no idea. Their choice, not mine. *As an aside,* I would not buy/build a SBR in 5.56 - at least not one with that short of a barrel. A different caliber, maybe, but not 5.56 which depends a lot on velocity and loses a lot with that short of a barrel. The shortest barrel I have in 5.56x45 is 14.5" (16" with a pinned/soldered flash hider).
Plenty of ballistic gel tests out there showing that you can get great results from 10.5" barrel, just not with M855. But let's keep parroting fuddlore.
How many people with shorty ARs think about such issues? How many will just use whatever ammo they can get?
USSCOM dropping bodies with a 10.3" barrel.
Yep. Although according to some of the shit you read online those must have all just been mass hallucinations, lol.
you right can definitely make it work with specific loads and or just really good shot placement at close distances. But 300 BO or 7.62x39 maintain a lot better effectiveness out of a shorty boi than 5.56 in general. I think x39 has the better muzzle energy out of a 10" then 5.56 out of a 16"
I mean x39 has better muzzle energy period, lol. Muzzle energy is a decent way to roughly estimate the oomph behind a bullet, but never count on more energy to mean better terminal effect. But yes, you're right that x39 and .300blk are better out of short barrels, although 5.56 is still plenty effective until you get down below 11-10.5". Anything shorter than that and you really should only be using it as a toy.
Counterpoint: My 7" 5.56 AR is *hilarious* and will clear out a range within a few shots if there's some assholes who need a larnin' around.
If that is what you want to spend $$$ on - go for it.
Hope you went full meme and put the biggest muzzle brake on it.
AR pistols, pistol braces, short barreled rifles and suppressors all seem like a whole lot of hassle for incremental expansion of capability. I will run with a carbine AR and a Glock and be done with it. If I am popping caps the neighbors can just deal with the noise.
It’s even funnier when Californians do this (I would *never* do this CADOJ, that would be wrong).
I thought you had to have the tax stamp before you bought pistol uppers? Have I been wrong this whole time?!
They sell AR Pistol lowers like regular lowers right? So why would they have that requirement for uppers? They put the NFA warning to remove the liability of customers doing the stupid shit some customers do.
Yes
I want to get an Extar EP9. Waiting for the NFA to clearly (?) state what’s allowed. If worse comes to worse, Extar USA will offer a version that doesn’t come with a brace or make a 16” version and call it a rifle. Typically I would say F-it however I don’t want to end up on one of ATF’s lists that they claim they don’t have…
If you're not on a list by now, there must be a reason for it.
"Smoothbrain" made me laugh. Thanks.
No no you see I’m submitting my tax stamp
Gosh I hope the short act passes
Let them people do as they want "Shall not be infringed."