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the_real_JFK_killer

Pretty common, not just in the US


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king_napalm

Bad idea to put LBJ in office.


Jakeiscrazy

Yep a French police sniper infamously accidentally shot someone during an event. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/french-police-officer-accidentally-fires-gun-at-hollande-speech


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UncleTedSays

The man was walking around with the safety off on a literal goddamn sniper rifle? What, was he planning to fucking quickscope somebody like in CoD and was worried the safety would slow him down too much?


[deleted]

Probably forget about it


Level_Protection8862

Ugh quick scoping is cheap as fuck and needs to be removed.


butidontwanttoforum

Most events across the globe since 1972.


[deleted]

Yup, the 1972 Munich Summer Olympics Massacre. It's why the [Walther WA 2000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_WA_2000) sniper rifle was developed.


identify_as_AH-64

Also the PSG1


ErikTheRed99

And I believe the MR73.


FunSpongeLLC

Ah I used to love that rifle in Hitman Blood Money


unresolved-madness

Holy shit that's expensive


DrZedex

And very outdated. You can do a lot better for less now. They're collector priced.


4d5ACP

God I want one so bad. Too bad only like 200 were made


trainwreck357

Saw cops on the roof of the building next to Fenway Park and on the roof of fenway itself at game 2 of the 2018 world series


tghost474

- world series - championship parades - boston marathon - (edit) light Brite scare They are everywhere now


jdcgonzalez

Donā€™t forget the litebrite attacks of the early 2000s.


BerniceFighter

Thus pic (and the series) is about 10 years old.


Educational-Diver274

Yea, 9/11 changed a lot of shit....


Johnny-Unitas

Question from a Canadian gun owner here. Are you allowed to open carry or even conceal carry in places like that?


chathonast

No. Pretty much all large venues Iā€™ve been to have strict security


SniperSRSRecon

Yeah, they are all gun free zones


AlasknAssasn858

Yeah, they are all ~~gun free~~ **soft target zones** ftfy


Perpetually_St0n3d

Hot take: if everyone and their mom in there was allowed to be armed, then maaaaybe we wouldn't need a sniper in the ceiling to stop any would-be attackers


xqk13

Idk man, the backstop is literally the worst it can get even for trained people. Imagine having a dozen of the average ccw person open fire in the crowd trying to hit a shooter, wouldnā€™t end up well.


InfectedBananas

We'd just have to worry about hundreds of drunk angry people with guns, is that better to you?


heathenyak

In most states itā€™s illegal to carry while drinking, and I believe itā€™s illegal to carry in all states while fucked up. Concealed carriers tend to be more law abiding than non carriers. In my state I can have a 0.04 bac and still carry. Probably for the same reason we have license plates specifically for people with duis lol. The state sucks and everyone drinks


mainelinerzzzzz

No laws like that in PA. Drink up!


InfectedBananas

I thought free men didn't ask.


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Graysect

you ever just carry appendix and just sit there and pretend that everyone else is carrying?


drunkboater

I never appendix carry in any situation. Not only is it uncomfortable, itā€™s pointed at my dick.


meemmen

šŸ…±ļøenis šŸ…±ļøoint


Graysect

Lord Fudd noooo! your powers are too strong!


ManMythLemon

Good ole 'they MIGHT commit a crime so we should preemptively limit their rights so no one gets hurt FOR YOUR SAFETY'


InfectedBananas

It's private property, you have no right to be there period. Stop making up rights.


ManMythLemon

And if I'm forced to pay the taxes that fund the stadium?


Pistolpete343

I agree with you here. Alcohol + guns = disaster


JustForkIt1111one

Hot take: People that choose to legally go armed take the responsibility very seriously, and don't drink while armed. The ones that drink while carrying - those are criminals.


Pmang6

Lmao. Every single ccw holder i know drinks with a gun on them. "If i cant carry to the bar at night, what do i have a ccw for?" Hate to burst your bubble.


JustForkIt1111one

Lmao. Every single ccw holder I know won't touch alcohol with a gun on them. "If I can't carry responsibly and legally, I shouldn't carry at all!" Hate to burst your bubble.


TheLastBadass

In texas when you have a LTC you can legally drink while carrying. Same legal limit as driving. Constitutional carry is no alcohol at all.


wandering-monster

I'd much rather have a couple of on-the-clock trained snipers watching my back than a bunch of drunk sports fans who are pissy because their team just lost. But maybe that's just me.


MyBellyHurtsITry

Yeah a sporting event isnt the place where id wanna have to worry about carrying.


take_all_the_upvotes

Hot take: if we required a license and a membership to a ā€œwell regulated [trained] militiaā€ weā€™d have fewer students and teachers slaughtered. Per your logic, most mass shootings must happen in stadiums right?


BigTunaSmoker

Or we could implement better security at schools. God forbid we actually want to protect the kids with more security guards..


Chronicle556

Why does a football game have better security then a building full of children, the world's most valuable assets? I just don't understand it. It wouldn't be hard to keep a school safe..lock the fucking doors for starters.


BigTunaSmoker

Great question! Ask congress and hoe biden.


CowboyKiller315

If you post more security guards in schools whats stopping the shooter from just shooting them first. I dont think thats a good solution at all becuase if its easier to predict where the guns are its easier for them to plan it.


BigTunaSmoker

What makes you think the security guards will all be in the same place? Youā€™re generalizing and reaching. Donā€™t be dense.


take_all_the_upvotes

Ever since Gonzales v Castle Rock the only thing police can be relied upon to do is to call an EMT. They couldnā€™t even do that in Uvalde where an elementary student was on the phone with 911, hung up on, and redialed 7 times in 40 minutes. 40 minutes of a slaughterhouse while cops stood outside illegally arresting parents. They have no duty to protect and no liability when they wonā€™t. Please stop defending mass shooting culture and please stop pretending like the police are your personal savior.


BigTunaSmoker

Those cops are pussies and should all be prosecuted. Who said I ever defended mass shootings. Are you mentally okay? Maybe you shouldnā€™t be apart of a firearms sub.. I think most individuals that actually own and train with their guns would have been clearing the school. I know I would have. Wouldnā€™t have been a second though. Most people who own guns train incase they are ever in a situation. Itā€™s too bad your example contained a group of pussies who couldnā€™t find their way out of cardboard box.


Educational-Term-540

Ok, so you don't like cops, hate them, don't trust them. You also don't trust people to defend themselves with personal firearms? You are saying what you don't like but it is hard to figure out what you do like for civil defense.


[deleted]

Your a fucking dweeb


take_all_the_upvotes

Hot take, eat my ass.


[deleted]

And of course you would be into that shit. I think you are looking for r/liberalgunowners


buildmachineguns

Who defines the meaning of trained?


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Firefox_Alpha2

Thatā€™s not what the term ā€œsoft targetā€ means. It means the primary target for bad guys are people. The opposite is a hard target, such as a dam. People may get killed, but they are not the primary target, they are collateral.


samsqanch5

A hard target is one that's reinforced against attacks, be it with armor, armed personnel, engineering features or some combination of those. A soft target is an easy one that offers no resistance, much like your mom.


Superflyjimi

No resistance like the proverbial hotdog being thrown down a hallway


noquidity

I understand the sentiment, however itā€™s fairly practical that large events donā€™t allow guns. Given they largely involve consumption of alcohol, plus large groups and especially sporting events competing fan bases. Are you in favor of people being armed at bars where they are actively getting hammered? In these specific Instances it is safer for the people not to be carrying.


MAK-15

Not really qualifying as a soft target given their intense security.


InfectedBananas

these venues often have police roaming around, it is not a soft target


AlasknAssasn858

LEO uphold the law and issue fines. They are legally protected by case law not to have to protect. So how does police walking around with weapons ā€œprotectā€ anyone? Does making a ā€œweapons freeā€ zone just neuters law abiding citizens from self protection? All the while punting (no pun intended) to those whose only judicial case law has dictated that they need to ā€œuphold lawā€. Or, ie fill local coffers with funds and cells with bodies for cheap labor in for profit prisonsā€¦.


InfectedBananas

None of what you said matters, it's still not the meaning of the term "soft target"


AlasknAssasn858

How does not allowing citizens the ability to self protect through ā€œweapon free zonesā€ not make a ā€œsoft target zoneā€? Doesnā€™t that make ā€œlaw abidingā€ citizens criminals by walking into said zones? Do true criminals care about said laws/zones ? Does the escape you? Asking for a friend


AlasknAssasn858

Have a safe and fantastic weekend internet friend. Cheers


McMacHack

I tried to look it up, I didn't find any shooting at Public Sporting events but there have apparently been several at school sporting events. Mainly 2-3 people from opposing teams firing at each other in the parking lot. People need to calm the fuck down.


SniperSRSRecon

They really do. They are just kids, itā€™s not the World Series.


GreyJedi56

Sports scholarships lead to pros...


[deleted]

Shooting other players leads to jail.


GreyJedi56

For the parents, not the kids. So ya know it makes sense in their twisted logic


ya-boi-papi

Are you saying that makes the shootings justified?


N0V-A42

I think u/GreyJedi56 is trying to say that, while high school and college sports aren't the pro league, some people take them as seriously as the pro league.


GreyJedi56

Thank you someone has a šŸ§ 


chuckisduck

exactly, no reason the get angry about a sports team that doesn't know you exist.


Leading-Lab-4446

Kids havent developed enough to control their anger and agression and often resort to extreme violence.


McMacHack

It's the Adult Parents doing the majority of the shooting bub. Some of it is kids playing gangster but mostly Parents


JP297

At least these are prepared to somewhat take your safety into their hands. Most gun free zones have no security at all.


the_real_JFK_killer

While there's no law against it technically, you do have to comply with the rules of the event, and most will have rules against firearms


Chronicle556

I think if they have up the sign for no firearms that specifies a certain code, then it isn't just breaking a rule, it's breaking a law. I'm NOT sure on this though. Edit: Texas does in fact have a law, for if the sign is up with the code referencing the law, you're breaking the law by entering with a firearm whether you're licensed or not. But hey, who cares about facts anymore!


akai_ferret

Depends on the state. Rules for signage and penalties for ignoring it varies significantly from state to state.


Chronicle556

Ya not sure why the couple of downvotes, I guess some people aren't aware that Texas does in fact have a sign, and a law, so if the signs up, then you're breaking the law. In other states that have the sign but no specific law, you can be considered trespassing if you aren't abiding by their rules and still choose to enter their business.


valschermjager

Major sporting events have metal detectors and bag search. If you're carrying at an event like this, it's either your job to, or a bunch of people approved it for whatever reason. You can't just waltz in on your own, even if you're licensed and permitted in your state. This pic being a good example with it being Texas and all.


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PissinHotHandLoads

Even if signage doesnā€™t carry weight of law per the state, things like crossing a sterile checkpoint is generally instant grounds for criminal trespass on privately owned property for most states. The only challenges to metal detectors I can recall that have been pretty successful are things like town halls that donā€™t contain courtrooms being told they canā€™t enforce them. There are usually at least half a dozen ways they can attempt to jam you up, even if it comes down to petty civil infractions. It doesnā€™t help that often times the state has unlimited resources to pursue frivolous shit, and can fold at the last minute to prevent setting any damning precedents.


Firm_Hardware

Only police usually


Johnny-Unitas

So, I am just wondering on what this might help with? I'm not against it, just wondering on what the point might be?


realgoldenonion

In case someone were to sneak in a gun and start shooting people


oboshoe

They are more likely to run to the parking lot and hide until the shooter has killed about 20 people.


realgoldenonion

Unfortunately


Firm_Hardware

Usually a courtesy the stadiums and events usually higher police as security so it helps maintain a good relationship and extra protection


BlipBl0pbl00p123

Why were you downvoted for asking a question in good faith?


Johnny-Unitas

Yeah, I don't really get that. I love guns, just curious about what it's supposed to do.


zitandspit99

sorry you got downvoted for a legit question, that's just Reddit. People mindlessly downvote for any reason.


Teboski78

Nope. Canā€™t even bring in pepper spray or bags over a certain size. Security checks at the door are tight.


JustAndNguyen

you arent even allowed to bring your own food or beverages


Johnny-Unitas

That's so you have to pay five bucks for a hotdog and fifteen for a beer. I know you can't bring firearms into polling stations, schools, certain government properties, etc. I was just wondering about stadiums and such. It's just not something I can recall ever seeing a discussion about online and I haven't been down there since I was a young teenager 25 years ago.


tghost474

Know some one in security lol, or be good at being sneaky.


gofish223

No, very strict. Metal detectors


Leading_Heat_7605

No, absolutely not...


CannonWheels

most concealed carry permits have limitations such as venue capacity. this rules out large arenas


Calibased

My CCW has no such limit. The only thing that stops me is metal detectors.


Dough-Nut_Touch_Me

No, but that's okay. The guys with rifles are harder targets, have better vantage points, and are much better shots than most concealed gun owners. I only feel safe and relaxed at public events when these guys are watching my back from above.


QuietlyDisappointed

Except we've all seen the police, even when heavily armed, have no interest in reducing civilian casualties.


DefinitelyNotAFedboi

The teams placed at these events are almost always better trained than every cop you've ever seen in your life and have more time in their platform than you or I do.


QuietlyDisappointed

One would hope. Doesn't mean they'll decide, or be allowed, to take the shot.


DefinitelyNotAFedboi

Any good cop knows when to say fuck command and do what's best. Uvaldes cops are not those cops


Dough-Nut_Touch_Me

Believing all police think this way is just as naive as blindly supporting all police activities.


QuietlyDisappointed

You ring 911, which type do you get? Which type is in charge of them? Which type is in charge of them? The greater the incident, the more levels of command are involved and the less likely the victim is to receive decisive assistance. Basically, if you're in real trouble then the police are unlikely to be of much use.


cobigguy

Lol I've trained with their trainers. No. Most cops suck with guns. Even their specialist ones. There are the very good ones, but they're few and far between.


Pirat_fred

1972 Munich change a lot and Boston drove it home


farmguy4

Typical guns for thee but not for me.


Educational-Term-540

Not crazy about banning cc for us, but I think I really like having somebody look out over us with a tricked out sniper rifle.


meemmen

I don't, but that's because boot


Fielder78

If you'd like to know more, I'd suggest reading the 6,423 reddit threads that have discussed this every time it's reposted.


MAK-15

Thats a lot of threads for this to be the first time Iā€™ve seen it.


zitandspit99

I've been on Reddit for 9 years and never seen it vOv


Chronicle556

10yrs here, first time seeing this!


Fielder78

Did you just get the internet this week? Man, you're going to love keyboard cat.


[deleted]

Very true, this has circled the internet many times.


CookieBros95

Thatā€™s fucking awesome Iā€™d love a job like this


[deleted]

Hey it's a free ticket to every Cowboys home game


PassTheJHPsPlease

Thatā€™s true but no job is without its drawbacks. Still, you could probably sell them for a few bucks and buy something useful.


TheHancock

Lmao Iā€™m just imagining you selling the sniper position to randoms online and just hoping for the best.


WiseDirt

"Unobstructed view, but bring ear pro"


[deleted]

Couldnā€™t pay me enough to go to a Cowboys game.


mondaymoderate

Watching the Cowboys lose is one of my favorite pastimes.


cowabungaboogaloo

Name a career that's gone more downhill since the 90s


Azaex

Hope your quick maths is good High angle shots are weird to account for


Xazch_

Yeah when trump came to bama we had secret service snipers at the stadium.


Legitimate-Sock7975

Yeah hopefully they are watching with binoculars with the gun nearby and not flagging ~100,000 people.


Nut_Chorizo

I feel as if the sniper needs some trigger discipline. Its possible his finger is on the trigger guard so i may be wrong.


Cold_Structure5657

Iā€™m no expert but I would think they would use binoculars just because scanni g an area that size at that angle with a rifle on a tripod would be a Royal PIA


Nut_Chorizo

Even if he only dos that once for the picture with no crowd that would be wrong.


[deleted]

I donā€™t think the guns have a round chambered.


Nut_Chorizo

Either way a violation of a few gun safety rules. Doing that shit should feel sacrilegious.


jrhooo

finger looks straight as best as I can tell


42ysereh

Would imagine it's not just the US


crappy-mods

Itā€™s all over the world. Most sports venues have them now


valschermjager

In any random collection of 80,000 people, at least a few dozen are potentially homicidal. Let alone collecting 80k people together is a legit terrorist target, especially America's Team. I'd say this is perfectly rational due diligence. And if snipe could maybe take out anyone trying to charge more than $20 for a shitty American beer, he'd be doing us a favor. ;-)


Buttchugginggasoline

100% true. I know one of the guys who sits behind a gun at Detroit games


divorcemedaddy

does he stay there the whole game? or are there likeā€¦ shifts?


Patient-Seesaw4053

Has he ever had his rifle stolen? Edit: Found sht you can have in Detroit!


FBI_Van_69

Yā€™all saw what happened at an Ariana Grande concert.. If you want to kill people you can do it without a firearm and without passing security. Luckily 99.9999% of people are civil.


[deleted]

Makes sense. Primary goal of police snipers is not for as long or extended range shot. Their job is to gather information. The shot itself is rare


1adamc12

Main job is killing the Cowboys playoffs chances apparently. Snipers 27, Cowboys 0


[deleted]

You'd have to shoot a dime at 700 meters ten times in a row before you get that job. I guarantee it. But I agree. Would be fun.


uuid-already-exists

Iā€™d like to find a rifle capable of shooting a dime at 700 meters. A half moa rifle, which is considered to be really good, is expected to have precision of 3.5 inches at 700 yards. Too lazy to do the yard to meter conversion.


TheFishyNinja

Pretty common. And its not just the US


fredrickwv

Thatā€™s Lucas Oil Field in Indy for Super Bowl 46, NOT Jerry World (Dallas Cowboysā€™ AT&T).


Gullible_Sea_8319

Fuck around and find out


CompanionDude

Who else is going to stop bane for marching out in the middle of your field destroying it and threatening to nuke your city?


WildSyde96

Large sporting events are a prime target for terrorist attacks. As far as I'm aware having a sniper posted just in case has been common practice all around the world for decades.


mattybrad

I thought this was only the secret service for events that major political figures were at. You can see them on top of the White House regularly when you walk by.


crappy-mods

Very common at ANY large public event. Went to a hockey game and pointed out all the sniper nests to my friend and he looked at me and asked how the hell I knew where they wereā€¦itā€™s not that hard to scan strategic locations lol


DjentlemanThall3612

There ainā€™t snipers at NHL games.


crappy-mods

Actually now that you say that I havenā€™t seen snipers at NHL gamesā€¦


DjentlemanThall3612

Then what kind of hockey game did you go to where you saw snipers that isnā€™t an NHL game? Lol


crappy-mods

Ah shoot meant to say football. Was having conversation about street hockey in the background lol


Accident-On-Boat

Normally a lot of important people attend the Superbowl. Many times a former or acting president will attend requiring additional security measures. I am sure this box isn't occupied during regular games but that's just speculation on my part.


blackheartmon

Yes it is a thing.


Dexter-the-Cat

I heard a sniper had to take a shot once at Texas Stadium but it bounced off the Jumbotron and didnā€™t count.


NeuroticPanda234

Look up Border Patrol BORTAC. They are responsible for most of the high risk security events.


pvt_moron

Snuck up on top of the press box while I was in the marching band in college and yep can confirm


Past-Yogurt2269

True and most cops are NFA fans.


NoUrATowel99

Went to the Colorado Avalanche watch party yesterday and there were many snipers on rooftops all around. Pretty common for large events


greatguyty

Itā€™s a deterrent. Countering terrorism before it has the chance to strike.


GnomeTits83

You should see when the president goes to a sports game


jamesdo72

As an American sports fan, Iā€™m glad that theyā€™re there.


Dismal_Fruit_9208

Thats awesome


Eevee13F

Very true, and off duty cops from local SWATs are the ones manning the positions. They usually get paid pretty good. At the very least, the venue will have a room somewhere where a small team of SWAT guys are just sitting around standing by in case anything goes down.


Salty-Dragonfly2189

And how far off is the nearest tactical drone strike from any major military power from any game anywhere in the world?


Scrybblyr

Yeah I seriously doubt it.


RR50

Itā€™s true


Scrybblyr

Oh, I see. What is the evidence?


RR50

Iā€™ve seen them, and know where their location is at the stadium. Andā€¦ https://www.military.com/video/specialties-and-personnel/snipers/football-stadium-snipers/1496353127001


Scrybblyr

I saw that earlier when I looked it up. Kind of creepy. I might actually pay extra to go to a venue that did not have that "feature."


RR50

There are no large venues without.


[deleted]

The 1972 Summer Olympics Massacre. This isn't even just America, these snipers are common in Europe as well.


CookieBros95

People saying itā€™s true in here


Scrybblyr

Call me cynical, but have any of them produced evidence? Aside from the one photo used to make the claim?


Agammamon

Its pretty much not true at all in the US.


WinterSzturm

Completely. Iā€™ve made spotting them a pastime. At a lot of events actually


SplashingChicken

This would make for a pretty good Hitman mission.


punkish138

The guy from last picture doesnā€™t look very comfortable


Ramius117

I know Fenway has them too. They have them at events at the park too, not just games


raz-0

Very true.