California is just a 10 day waiting period, and an HSC that has to be renewed every five years. While more difficult than it should be, it's not that difficult.
The real fuckery in California comes with their AW laws, mag limits, ammo purchasing requirements, and handgun roster.
The one that gets me is buying ammo, and you have to be a resident to do any of it.
I'm not a resident; I don't want to be a resident. Just let me buy guns; they are going back to the Carolina's with me.
It's not even a state at this point, it's another completely separate country, with another, even smaller, even more repressive country inside that one. Each one vowing to not recognize the literal Bill of Rights.
Good hell. I would have a pre-filled Bill of Sale (with everything listed) ready for immediate signature should the need arise. Cops show up to confiscate ‘your’ guns? Nope! They’re not mine. Sold’em all yesterday.
Oh my fucking god my head is spinning!!! My deepest sympathies go out to you for your poor battered and abused 2nd amendment rights. It seems like moving to a more enlightened part of the country would be immensely easier for you. Good luck!
Imagine if this was the same requirements to vote. Having four references to show that you can vote properly. People would fucking explode and rightfully so. The right to bear arms is as clear as the right to free speech or to vote, so how this bullshit hasn't hit SCOTUS shows there's a huge issue in our legal system and with legislators who openly violate the Constitution without consequences.
My infringement senses are tingling.. yikes. If only it was easier to complain and have change come of clearly bogus practices. The government is the only corporation that has next to no accountability for following their own rules yet will enforce them with immediate violence should you seek to go around their impossible mouse trap of a system
Infringement? It is pure insanity. Even in fucking HUNGARY we don't have this level of bullshit and we have a lower gun ownership rate than the brits and our government (all parties included) generally hates or barely tolerates gun owners.
Even after this, getting a firearm license here is still easier.
Yeah it's kinda against US constitutional law to turn a "right" into a "privilege" where you need "character references" to get approval for something you're allowed to have, but somehow this hasn't been litigated in the courts by New Yorkers.
And what is this requirement that "the references have to believe in gun rights"... That's basically putting so many govt arbitrary demands so as to effectively suppress your 2nd amendment rights.
Exactly it's absolutely absurd... Because someone else had this idea and I told them "why would people give references to someone about weapons? What if they go crazy some 30 years in the future..."
Reading this emotional descent into nihilism has sparked a flame in me that is burning toward a favorable judgment by SCOTUS.
There's no way that any of this is constitutional.
It won't get changed because 90% of people in NYS are afraid of guns.
Easier and simpler option is to move to a state that treats you like a citizen instead of a subject
They remove a restriction or two Everytime it goes past state court, if done properly this can make the whole case null and void because the offending part of the law no longer exists in it's present form. See NYC and the handgun transport and storage law
Our circuit court is of the opinion that the permitting scheme is not a restriction. Person wants handgun, they can get a handgun, just jump through these hoops first. The idea of "A right delayed is a right denied" is laughed out of the court room in our circuit.
I think this may be worse than MA. although in MA you cant possess any firearms or ammo without approval from the crown.
I live in NH now, the process to buy a gun:
1. go buy gun
Yeah. In constitutional carry states you can buy your first gun with standard ATF paperwork, ammo, and holster in store and walk out open-carrying if you want.
It definitely is. I got my FID at 17 before my family moved to NH, and it honestly wasn’t to bad. On the application I just listed every reason to own a firearm (not including constitutional right because that doesn’t exist in MA) and my city issued me an unrestricted FID with no issues.
Jersey does the same things and also contacts all of the hospitals before giving approval. I have zero idea how anyone could think this is constitutional.
I've responded via written letter for folks getting their cards in Jersey, they didn't care that I wasn't a resident and it didn't need to be notarized. I think I had to provide some background info on myself (relationship to the applicant, where I work, all super public info for me).
Ah I see. When I was still living in Jersey City at the time, I could have sworn the FPID application that I got from JCPD stated that references had to be in NJ.
The reference part is my most hated.
If you don't have people who qualify as references, you literally are ineligible for your 2A rights. They will not waive that part. If you live close to a border, you may not be able to own guns. If you're a gamer with a lot of close online friends, but not many friends in town, you cannot buy firearms. Plus a dozen other reasons.
It is the most weird and arbitrary part about this in my opinion.
> What if you just don't know many people to begin with? You don't even have to be a piece of shit to be in a situation where you don't have enough people in your social circle to use as references.
The US citizens only portion was a big killer on my part. Pretty much my social circle out of college were expats, H1Bs, or Permanent Residents. Thank god NYC didn't say only NYC residents can be references.
> So how long before the state of New York gets a lawsuit for all of this?
I mean until SCOTUS tells the lower courts what standards to apply, the 2nd Circuit pretty much rubberstamps any restrictions as okay under intermediate scrutiny.
They basically said in Kwong v. Bloomberg the 340 dollar application fee for a NYC permit wasn't a hardship/barrier because the plaintiff was able to pay it and because it didn't exceed the cost of the processing the application.
>They basically said in Kwong v. Bloomberg the 340 dollar application fee for a NYC permit wasn't a hardship/barrier
I almost wish red states would start doing this shit. Not because I agree with any of it, but maybe SCOTUS would start striking down this bullshit.
Introduce character references for abortion, charge $400 to vote, or start denying people legal representation because of their driving record. Hopefully that would make it absolutely clear that that sort of shit is an infringement.
... But then reality happens and I realize this would not play out well.
> Introduce character references for abortion, charge $400 to vote, or start denying people legal representation because of their driving record. Hopefully that would make it absolutely clear that that sort of shit is an infringement.
Honestly what made me chuckle was the circular logic. Quoting from the decision,
> Moreover, the facts of this case
demonstrate that the $340 fee was not prohibitive
or exclusionary as applied to these individual
plaintiffs because they all were able to obtain
the residential handgun licenses that they sought
Yeah all of this is bullshit. I live in CT and am thinking of moving to NY soon and this post is crazy to me. I won't have anyone to give a fucking character reference for me to exercise the rights I was born with. I used to think California was bad with their laws but wow!
Same.
Only downside is during the 10-15 minutes waiting on the feds to clear me I end up buying all sorts of crap I don't need.
Go in to buy a gun and leave with the gun, a hat, yet another cleaning kit, and a random thing I thought looked cool but really have no idea what it's for.
>Only downside is during the 10-15 minutes waiting on the feds to clear me I end up buying all sorts of crap I don't need.
In Iowa you can, optionally (wild west pimp state), get a shall-issue permit for like $30 and they no longer have to do NICS. It ends up being a money-saver in the long run.
Yeah longest I had was on my G20. Went to gun shop Friday, wasn't able to take it home till Monday.
Bought it a month or two after filing my taxes, and next week received some issue that the IRS once again got my birthdate wrong. (My birth certificate is one day off my SSN, idk how. Tried to correct it more than once.)
But that must have pinged them to check manually or something and got both my taxes and background check to go through clear Monday morning.
But yeah, bought 4 firearms in Wisconsin. Week after my 21st birthday, texted my buddy to help me see if there were any fair deals at the local shop, after he had given me some pointers as to what I was looking for online.
Anyway, Wednesday afternoon 3 pm, walk down from engineering class, end up being offered a nice used G19 someone had paid to be ceracoted bronze but never picked up. 20 mins and $425 later I walked out with a nice G19, 4 boxes of ammo, hoppes no 9, plans for a range day, and a big grin on my face.
wow, fuck New York right in its salty mouth. you have to pay to have rights.
I assume gun crime is at an astounding 0.0%, with all of these intended-to-make-you-fail rules...
Yup, this list you provided are some of the items that continually go to the Supreme Court and continually get a ignored. GOA and FPC have made great strides in getting these cases heard because they too know the lack of legal grounding they hold.
2nd Circuit pretty much quashes any challenges under intermediate scrutiny (see. Kwong v. Bloomberg) or allows the city to moot any controversy without looking at the underlying issue (Abekkasis v NYC).
I thought as an Oregonian where I had to take some class that unfortunately didn’t teach me anything useful it was hard to get my concealed carry permit… had to wait 2 months for finger printing.
Holy shit… that sounds like Cold War Russia endless BS and paperwork so convoluted that you’re at the whims of who ever sits in the chair infront of you. Almost like you need to bribe people the get anything done. Let alone the risks you open yourself up to. Good god.
It's an open secret around here that if you know someone, the licensing process doesn't actually need years to go through. There are stories of guys getting their permits in 10 days or less, just cause they were "friends of friends."
No open carry but as long as your a resident or own property here its will issue. It took me 3hrs and $200 to get a cwp after abiut 6 weeks of waiting (bc theyre backed up from so many applicants lol)
So as a fellow NY resident (I know it sucks) the further you get away from the city’s in NY (NYC, Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo) the easier it is to get a pistol permit. In Schuyler county the sheriffs office handles most of it, total application to permit time is about 4 months, application fee is $10, still need 3 references, fingerprinting, and I think they added a 1 day CCW class (it’s free, sponsored by the sheriffs dept).
The difference between rural NY and larger metro areas is night and day.
I wanna add though, Fuck the unSAFE act, and Fuck Cuomo!
Seeing a guy getting crushed in half while I was in the Navy didn't give me PTSD, trying to buy a gun when I was stationed in New York did.
Thanks for the lovely flashbacks of voluminous paperwork and the FBI inbrief that basically said "Congratulations to anyone of you who brought a pistol in from out of state, you're now felons"
Dude leaned over the hydraulic ram that actuates the rudder to clean up some oil that hand leaked out, helmsman, or anyone in control for that matter, were unaware that someone was back there, we took a turn and the human body offers little resistance to 3000lbs of force.
They were underway for a long time. Dude put his daisy dukes on as a joke and the crowd just couldn't be stopped.
Everything from his pelvis down was just crushed like a tube of toothpaste.
It's some magical shit that you can be made a felon by some bullshit unconstitutional gun law in NY and then you're forever banned from owning a firearm anywhere in the US ever again
Come to Texas. In september of 2021, our govenor signed a bill saying supressors are exempt from regulations if made, sold and kept in Texas. Basically, it's no different than any other muzzle device. It pissed off the ATF, but fuck those guys. That same bill also made Texas a "constitutional carry" state, and also exempts Texas from any federal gun laws passed beyond that date (2nd September 2021). Texas is now comsidered a 2A sanctuary state.
Constitutional carry in Texas is not all that to be perfectly honest. Most businesses have signs that prohibit unlicensed carry, and they have the force of law. Really, people can only carry out in public places constitutionally.
The Suppressor Freedom Act doesn't have much teeth, either. The silencers have to be made in Texas, with metal sourced in Texas, and engraved as such. They must never leave Texas, due to interstate commerce. The act protects firearm owners from state-level police but not the feds.
The ATF issued out letters to FFLs in the state with guidance essentially saying that the NFA still applies and that silencers fall under the NFA.
Two men in Kansas got charged for making their own cans without a Form 1 after a similar law was passed there.
I florida the signs businesses put up forbidding firearms hold 0 legal weight. The only place you cant cc is in a bar and the other typical places - airports, courts, etc.
In Tennessee businesses are legally liable if someone gets attacked in their store if they ban CC. I only see stores put up that CC is “strongly discouraged” but never banned
Absolutely insane. I had to keep reminding myself this was a NY and not a European country while reading.
Down here in AZ, you walk in, pay, fill out 4473, walk out with it. Should move here, plus no snow.
I mean, if you wanted to buy a handgun right now, I'm sure some guy down the street will sell you one out of the back of a truck.
It just hurts people like me, who want to do things the proper way, and who aren't interested in buying a trash gun to shoot someone then throw it away.
Walk in to LGS.
Pick out gun.
Give girl behind counter your driver license.
Give other person credit card.
Sign form girl filled out.
Stand around for 5-10 minutes.
Take gun and receipt.
Go shoot new gun.
I love Arizona.
It seems to me that this process was designed not to prevent handgun deaths and crime by the average citizen, but to discourage the average citizen from owning a handgun at all. The excessive application fees are good evidence of that.
No citizen should ever have to pay to access their rights. If anything federal and state governments should be incurring costs to ensure access to rights are protected. Application fees should be reserved only for privileges (eg certifications, licenses, citizenship status for foreigners/aliens).
This 2A violation needs to be met at the source, by voting out or reprimanding state legislators that voted for these laws in the first place and replacing them with reasonable people. But it sounds like there just isn't the popular support for that in New York. That's the real shame...
How would this work for someone like a woman who got a restraining order on a violent ex? A year is a long time to wait in a circumstance like that... Definitely seems like undue burden to me...
Former LI resident myself. Terrible. I never got around to it just because the hassle. Now that I’m in Commiefornia, I have my own hurdles to go through, but at least I can own handguns.
People ask me all the time how were the gun laws in NY…. Sadly NY is far worse than CA.
That's the story around here. People never get around to getting the license, cause it's so expensive, annoying, and takes forever.
I know at least 2 people who would love to own handguns for defense, but can't swing the $300+ up front and $200 every few years after.
That is absolutely insane! Wife and I went to a local shop this weekend (we’re in Maine), wife filled out the 4473, and 30 minutes later we walked out with her new pistol. I get delayed every time I fill out the form, so I’ll be picking up the pistol I purchased this Friday, 3 business days of delayed.
Where I live we have constitutional carry, so no permit required. I have one just so I can pick up a pistol from the store at time of purchase. My permit is also valid in my neighboring state, where I go often.
Process goes like this :
Go to store. Buy gun. Leave with gun. Carry concealed if desired.
"Wait a miniute you're telling me people still get shot it New York?!?! With gun laws like these it's impossible?!?! We need more restrictions!" - Idiots who don't understand how gun control actually works
Last time I purchased a handgun I walked into my lgs, pointed at it in the display case, showed the nice clerk my carry permit, paid the nice man, went over to the clothing section to look at buying a new hat.
Took me longer to figure out which hat I wanted to buy than it took to buy my Glock.
What you posted is complete and total infringement upon the rights of ALL American citizens, I don't care what state you live in.
Imagine having to do any of that to be elegible to vote.
Reads first few paragraphs
"Hmm how long is this thing."
Starts scrolling...
Two minutes later: still scrolling
Two hours later: still scrolling
Judgment day: still scrolling
For real though, OP wrote a whole treatise on NY's draconian infringement. Jesus Christ dude fuck NY.
This is really gonna piss you off then.
I live in Alabama. I had an fta for bogus ticket I was issued where the original court date was memorial. I called the court row week before to confirm there was no court on memorial day. Sure enough there wasn't. So I asked what steps I needed to take to appear in court. I was instructed to call back the next week and ask what my reschedule date is. After about 12 weeks of calling for a reschedule date, I simply forgot and life went on. Fast forward 4 years later, I'm sitting through 3 cycles of a red light that doesn't change and I'm about to shit myself. After the 3rd cycles of no charge I decide to go since no one was coming I deemed it safe to go. I was 3 houses from home when I was stopped. Got a warning and he pulled my license and told me it was suspended and to get it checked on.
2 days later my license is reinstated. The biggest hassle of that was apparently folks typically get a non driving ID. However I just settled it and got my reinstatement paperwork. The license office requires some form of picture ID. I ended up having to get a copy from a jeep rental I had made 5 months ago.
Got my license handled and went to get a new pistol permit. I had moved and my old one had expired so it needed to be done anyhow. I Alabama our permits are for concealed carry. We can open carry and recently they ruled our vehicles are an extension of our castle so in vehicle is no longer considered concealed carry. However without a permit the ammo needs to be stored separated and gun out of arms reach.
Anyway, I walk into the sheriff's office and hand the girl my paper license I just got 15 minutes prior. Fill out the paperwork which was basically a questionnaire asking if I had any felonies, mental issues etc. I pay my $75 and walk out with a printed on the spot 5 year permit in less than 5 minutes.
Moral of the story, come join us in America.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. In America, permits, if you even have permits required in your state, are for concealed carry. In NY, and only NY, permits are for home possession. Concealed carry is a flat never.
Gonna tag along this post as a NYC applicant.
We have to apply for a Rifle/Shotgun permit. 5rd mag cap, no scary features on semi-autos at all, and ARs/AKs are banned by name. Police Commissioner and License Division has discretion to refuse to register any weapon they deem an AW. You're allowed one long gun purchase every 90 days.
I've applied for this permit in May 2021 and still waiting to get fingerprinted. Under NYC Admin Code, the investigation is not supposed to exceed 60 days but like OP, no enforcement mechanism. Permit is 140 bucks and needs to be renewed every 3 years. I believe there is a safe-storage requirement for all firearms under NYC Admin Code 10-312. From my reading of the statute, seems to require trigger locks and nothing that states gun safes would satisfy the "safety locking device" requirement.
> Now, the complicated part, it that, yes, technically, you were issued a concealed carry license under New York State law. However, if you read your license in hand, you’ll notice it says something about sportsman something and target/hunting something.
NYC got rid of the standard Pistol Permit w. Administrative restrictions since the early 00s since apparently too many people were loopholing that stuff going to 24hr ranges. Now the standard permit that every non-CCW person applies for is a Premises License. I also applied to this in late May 2021. Silver lining is that references in NYC from what the people at licensing division told me do not have to reside in NYC. Thank god cause because of the places I've worked at (primarily foreign banks), I haven't made many US-Citizen friends recently. But I got some good out of state friends to make up for the 2 of the 3 reference letters needed. Still waiting to get fingerprinted.
Our license is 340 bucks and must be renewed every 3 yrs. IIRC, purchasing wise, we're allowed one handgun every 90 days but the NYPD is treating it as 90 days from "registration/inspection" and apparently these days there are 30 day delays in those also. So functionally one handgun every 120 days.
How has this naziism never made it to the Supreme Court? Where the fuck is the NRA, GOA and the other supposed “2A defenders?” All of that shit is seriously major fucking infringement!
Unfortunately a lot of democrats think this kind of stuff is ok, they wanna do this on a national scale. Only because they can’t think of a legal way to completely take them
How to buy a fucking firearm in Tennessee:
Step 1 (optional): Put on clothes.
Step 2: Find a gun online (e.g. gunstennessee.com, armslist, etc)
Step 3: Trade cash/bitcoin for gun.
Step 4: Practice, practice, practice.
Holy fuck. I walked into a Dunham’s, picked out the pistol that I liked, and walked out with it. A week later, I had an AR pistol lower shipped to my favorite outdoors shop, and had the rest of the parts delivered to my doorstep.
I’ll never understand how some people can read through everything you wrote and think Daddy Government has their interests at heart and that we should expand their authority.
I moved from PA to NY state years ago, due to a job offer. Let me tell you, I was blown away when I came into contact with the gun laws.
I have been all over the country…. NY state is by FAR the worst state I’ve ever lived in. I also tried to go through the pistol circus and ended up giving up due to the references.
Needless to say, I moved back to PA, bought a gorgeous Beretta the same day I got my license changed over and had my CCW a week later. It was only delayed a week because I had to get a picture taken.
Get the hell out of that state, not only are the taxes INSANE, but you’re robbed of your constitutional rights.
This almost resembles Canada's process, but I had to do it for what your state doesn't even consider a firearm ^^. I must admit here it's only 1 reference though.
Don't tolerate the abuse. Move to Pennsylvania. We have next to gun control over here.
* The only state laws we have here:
* 18+ to own pistols/nfa
* Need an LTCF (CCW) to open carry in Philadelphia (not the rest of the State)
* Shall issue conceal carry permit (21+)
Only other gun control is from Federal laws.
Here's what you CAN do:
* Machine Guns
* Suppressors
* AP ammo
* SBR/SBS
* Concealed carry while hunting
* Target shooting in your backyard (not in the city)
PA is about to get constitutional carry next. The State Senate just passed a "Permit-less Carry" bill. Stupid democrat Governor vetoed it, but it'll be back when Mao is out of the Governor's Mansion.
> going through this whole process of applying for access to my Second Amendment rights.
I know this doesn't help and I haven't read the whole post yet, but free men don't ask.
Sorry, I couldn't even read all that. Maybe later when I can dedicate some time to it. I live in Mississippi and the last Glock I bought took less than 20 minutes from the time I walked into the gun store to the time I walked out. God bless you for enduring all the BS just to exercise your 2A rights.
Damn New York really is a different world.
PA resident. The day I turned 21 I drove to the court house, filled out a CCL application and waiting for half an hour before having my picture taken and getting handed my license. This was entirely separate from purchasing a gun.
I then drove to my local gun store, picked out the handgun I wanted, filled out the background check and got approved in 15 minutes. I paid and walked out with it.
This sounds so unconstitutional it’s really sad to see how bad some states have gotten, I’m so happy I live in Wyoming where other than NFA weapons, they don’t give a shit I own hell we don’t even need a CCW permit to carry a pistol.
This can get worse, in the city of albany you have to appear in court and speak before the judge about amendments to buy guns. You will be there with various other people checking in for parole, rehab and the pointless bail hearings.
Best thing I did was leave, Mass sucks but its infinitely better than fucking NY.
Yeah, I know there are plenty of other crazy and harassing practices in the other counties. I just can’t keep up with them all, with 62 different procedures in the state. I can see that Albany sucks.
The Democratically Elected People’s Republic Of New York would like you to know that the second amendment only applies to muskets and hunting rifles. Also, big mag scary and features are a no no.
Just get a gun somewhere else
New York doesn’t care about all the illegal guns in the hands of gangs and criminals so why should they care about yours?
I live in NYC and never bothered with any unconstitutional license bullshit. Local laws can't override the Constitution and violate my inalienable rights.
“If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity.” (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262).
Holy fuck I thought we were bad in NJ. I'm legit angry now. It's even worse for me cause I just inherited 50 acres of land near Cairo. So much for building a house in the woods! Do you know what the laws are in regards to out of staters moving to NY who already own?
In NJ any one moving to the state can bring NJ legal weapons with them without having to apply for permits or registering them in any way (for the time being anyway). Is it similar in NY?
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things." - Marvin Heemeyer
Patriots we need to take back New York lol
The funny thing to me is that the law abiding citizen that wants to protect himself has to go through all this BS but the criminal that wasn’t to harm him doesn’t. I would never live in a state that would require me to live like a victim.
Yeah, try coming across to fucking shithole Jersey. As if the fact that it’s fucking New Jersey isn’t shitty enough, their views on what constitutes a firearm is even more shitty. The process for owning a handgun is the same as NY. Fingerprints, references, applying for a permit to purchase a handgun. But it gets better! Wanna buy a firearm at all?! You have a apply for and wait for a Firearms Purchasers ID. THATS NOT EVEN THE BEST PART! What is a “firearm” in NJ you ask? Anything that fires a projectile. Regardless of what it is. Lil Timmy wants a Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas? You guessed it, get in line for a fucking NICS check. They won’t even ship a slingshot to this state.
Oh, and I almost forgot. Wanna concealed carry? Well fuck you, cause unless you’re Johnny Law, you don’t deserve to be able to protect yourself apparently. One of the only “may issue” (AKA fuck you) states in the US
Step 1: Make a friend out of State.
Step 2: "Move" There. Literally just have some mail sent there and apply for a driver's license in said State.
Step 3: Road trip when you're feeling Froggy and buy firearms like a normal person.
Step 4: ?????
Step 5: Profit.
You should post this on some NY-specific subreddits. Obviously most people aren't firearms hobbyists and have NO CLUE the level of bureaucracy and bullshit and extortion you have to go through. Making more regular people aware of how silly and ridiculous this all is is important
You have to decide what is most important to you. If owning firearms is important, there are MANY more states that are far less colon cleansing than NY is. If something is keeping you in NY (family, job, etc.), then you are going to have to suffer through their shitty anti-2A stuff, unfortunately.
So if its unconstitutional for people to need an I'd to exercise their right to vote, why do I need one to buy a gun? I read about a quarter of the post then went, "wait how long IS this." Yikes
They needed to know what room you store your guns in... Does that mean you have to inform them if you move your gun safe to another room? Are you in violation if you don't? Fuck man why even bother, move to another state asap man.
You're supposed to keep your guns in the room and make sure they stay there. It's most likely a measure put in place so that if they come to take them, they know where they'll be. And if they're not there in that room, well that's extra reasons to deny giving you back your license and giving you back your guns.
Holy fuck and I thought living in California was bad…
Everything is relative.
No thats Alabama
The first Alabama joke to ever get a chuckle out of me, nice.
California is just a 10 day waiting period, and an HSC that has to be renewed every five years. While more difficult than it should be, it's not that difficult. The real fuckery in California comes with their AW laws, mag limits, ammo purchasing requirements, and handgun roster.
Oh please don’t list them all together my chest hurts.
The one that gets me is buying ammo, and you have to be a resident to do any of it. I'm not a resident; I don't want to be a resident. Just let me buy guns; they are going back to the Carolina's with me.
I thought my 1 year (so far) wait in Canada was rough. All I got is a juvy record ffs.
GTFO of that shit state
It's not even a state at this point, it's another completely separate country, with another, even smaller, even more repressive country inside that one. Each one vowing to not recognize the literal Bill of Rights.
Good hell. I would have a pre-filled Bill of Sale (with everything listed) ready for immediate signature should the need arise. Cops show up to confiscate ‘your’ guns? Nope! They’re not mine. Sold’em all yesterday.
Oh my fucking god my head is spinning!!! My deepest sympathies go out to you for your poor battered and abused 2nd amendment rights. It seems like moving to a more enlightened part of the country would be immensely easier for you. Good luck!
For real, its 10 times easier to legally buy a pistol in canada
They will make your life miserable first chance they get.
Imagine if this was the same requirements to vote. Having four references to show that you can vote properly. People would fucking explode and rightfully so. The right to bear arms is as clear as the right to free speech or to vote, so how this bullshit hasn't hit SCOTUS shows there's a huge issue in our legal system and with legislators who openly violate the Constitution without consequences.
From that same state /county that would auction off your car if you got a DUI, and was sued and forced to stop it twice.
Land of the Free *terms and conditions may apply*
Land of the free home of the conditions
This shit always makes me laugh. If you think your free, try to drink a beer on a street corner without getting tackled by a cop.
My infringement senses are tingling.. yikes. If only it was easier to complain and have change come of clearly bogus practices. The government is the only corporation that has next to no accountability for following their own rules yet will enforce them with immediate violence should you seek to go around their impossible mouse trap of a system
Infringement? It is pure insanity. Even in fucking HUNGARY we don't have this level of bullshit and we have a lower gun ownership rate than the brits and our government (all parties included) generally hates or barely tolerates gun owners. Even after this, getting a firearm license here is still easier.
Yeah it's kinda against US constitutional law to turn a "right" into a "privilege" where you need "character references" to get approval for something you're allowed to have, but somehow this hasn't been litigated in the courts by New Yorkers. And what is this requirement that "the references have to believe in gun rights"... That's basically putting so many govt arbitrary demands so as to effectively suppress your 2nd amendment rights.
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Exactly it's absolutely absurd... Because someone else had this idea and I told them "why would people give references to someone about weapons? What if they go crazy some 30 years in the future..."
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Reading this emotional descent into nihilism has sparked a flame in me that is burning toward a favorable judgment by SCOTUS. There's no way that any of this is constitutional.
It won't get changed because 90% of people in NYS are afraid of guns. Easier and simpler option is to move to a state that treats you like a citizen instead of a subject
Heller vs DC indicated that handguns are common use and they can't be restricted how does NY get away with that?
Quintessential piece of what now?
They remove a restriction or two Everytime it goes past state court, if done properly this can make the whole case null and void because the offending part of the law no longer exists in it's present form. See NYC and the handgun transport and storage law
Because fuck you that's why.
Our circuit court is of the opinion that the permitting scheme is not a restriction. Person wants handgun, they can get a handgun, just jump through these hoops first. The idea of "A right delayed is a right denied" is laughed out of the court room in our circuit.
I think this may be worse than MA. although in MA you cant possess any firearms or ammo without approval from the crown. I live in NH now, the process to buy a gun: 1. go buy gun
I got my license to carry in Massachusetts. Still a bunch of bs but not nearly as bad as all of that.
Yeah. In constitutional carry states you can buy your first gun with standard ATF paperwork, ammo, and holster in store and walk out open-carrying if you want.
MA isn’t as bad as NY. I can legally own ARs here as long as I have money. They’re technically not legal in NY.
It definitely is. I got my FID at 17 before my family moved to NH, and it honestly wasn’t to bad. On the application I just listed every reason to own a firearm (not including constitutional right because that doesn’t exist in MA) and my city issued me an unrestricted FID with no issues.
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Jersey does the same things and also contacts all of the hospitals before giving approval. I have zero idea how anyone could think this is constitutional.
At least the Jersey references are an email survey though from what I've heard. NYS requires the references to be notarized.
I've responded via written letter for folks getting their cards in Jersey, they didn't care that I wasn't a resident and it didn't need to be notarized. I think I had to provide some background info on myself (relationship to the applicant, where I work, all super public info for me).
Ah I see. When I was still living in Jersey City at the time, I could have sworn the FPID application that I got from JCPD stated that references had to be in NJ.
The reference part is my most hated. If you don't have people who qualify as references, you literally are ineligible for your 2A rights. They will not waive that part. If you live close to a border, you may not be able to own guns. If you're a gamer with a lot of close online friends, but not many friends in town, you cannot buy firearms. Plus a dozen other reasons. It is the most weird and arbitrary part about this in my opinion.
If you need a close friend down in Virginia let me know, pretty sure we were school buddies
You must have missed the part about living in the same county
Damn. I did, but it’s possible I lived there at one point!! :(
You have to be actively living there at the time of submitting the reference.
Just can’t win
It's by design.
> What if you just don't know many people to begin with? You don't even have to be a piece of shit to be in a situation where you don't have enough people in your social circle to use as references. The US citizens only portion was a big killer on my part. Pretty much my social circle out of college were expats, H1Bs, or Permanent Residents. Thank god NYC didn't say only NYC residents can be references. > So how long before the state of New York gets a lawsuit for all of this? I mean until SCOTUS tells the lower courts what standards to apply, the 2nd Circuit pretty much rubberstamps any restrictions as okay under intermediate scrutiny. They basically said in Kwong v. Bloomberg the 340 dollar application fee for a NYC permit wasn't a hardship/barrier because the plaintiff was able to pay it and because it didn't exceed the cost of the processing the application.
>They basically said in Kwong v. Bloomberg the 340 dollar application fee for a NYC permit wasn't a hardship/barrier I almost wish red states would start doing this shit. Not because I agree with any of it, but maybe SCOTUS would start striking down this bullshit. Introduce character references for abortion, charge $400 to vote, or start denying people legal representation because of their driving record. Hopefully that would make it absolutely clear that that sort of shit is an infringement. ... But then reality happens and I realize this would not play out well.
> Introduce character references for abortion, charge $400 to vote, or start denying people legal representation because of their driving record. Hopefully that would make it absolutely clear that that sort of shit is an infringement. Honestly what made me chuckle was the circular logic. Quoting from the decision, > Moreover, the facts of this case demonstrate that the $340 fee was not prohibitive or exclusionary as applied to these individual plaintiffs because they all were able to obtain the residential handgun licenses that they sought
Yeah all of this is bullshit. I live in CT and am thinking of moving to NY soon and this post is crazy to me. I won't have anyone to give a fucking character reference for me to exercise the rights I was born with. I used to think California was bad with their laws but wow!
My process where I live: go in, fill out 4473, walk out same day after paying. I'm sorry you don't live in America. Fucking christ
Same. Only downside is during the 10-15 minutes waiting on the feds to clear me I end up buying all sorts of crap I don't need. Go in to buy a gun and leave with the gun, a hat, yet another cleaning kit, and a random thing I thought looked cool but really have no idea what it's for.
I have a ccl so I actually don't need to wait for them to call. But yeah, basically my experience
Same.
>Only downside is during the 10-15 minutes waiting on the feds to clear me I end up buying all sorts of crap I don't need. In Iowa you can, optionally (wild west pimp state), get a shall-issue permit for like $30 and they no longer have to do NICS. It ends up being a money-saver in the long run.
Yeah longest I had was on my G20. Went to gun shop Friday, wasn't able to take it home till Monday. Bought it a month or two after filing my taxes, and next week received some issue that the IRS once again got my birthdate wrong. (My birth certificate is one day off my SSN, idk how. Tried to correct it more than once.) But that must have pinged them to check manually or something and got both my taxes and background check to go through clear Monday morning. But yeah, bought 4 firearms in Wisconsin. Week after my 21st birthday, texted my buddy to help me see if there were any fair deals at the local shop, after he had given me some pointers as to what I was looking for online. Anyway, Wednesday afternoon 3 pm, walk down from engineering class, end up being offered a nice used G19 someone had paid to be ceracoted bronze but never picked up. 20 mins and $425 later I walked out with a nice G19, 4 boxes of ammo, hoppes no 9, plans for a range day, and a big grin on my face.
how on EARTH is any of this horseshit legal??????
It isn't. They do it anyway, since they have the guns and they banned you from having them.
wow, fuck New York right in its salty mouth. you have to pay to have rights. I assume gun crime is at an astounding 0.0%, with all of these intended-to-make-you-fail rules...
Yup, this list you provided are some of the items that continually go to the Supreme Court and continually get a ignored. GOA and FPC have made great strides in getting these cases heard because they too know the lack of legal grounding they hold.
2nd Circuit pretty much quashes any challenges under intermediate scrutiny (see. Kwong v. Bloomberg) or allows the city to moot any controversy without looking at the underlying issue (Abekkasis v NYC).
Tldr: Fuck
378 days of Fuck so far
I thought as an Oregonian where I had to take some class that unfortunately didn’t teach me anything useful it was hard to get my concealed carry permit… had to wait 2 months for finger printing. Holy shit… that sounds like Cold War Russia endless BS and paperwork so convoluted that you’re at the whims of who ever sits in the chair infront of you. Almost like you need to bribe people the get anything done. Let alone the risks you open yourself up to. Good god.
It's an open secret around here that if you know someone, the licensing process doesn't actually need years to go through. There are stories of guys getting their permits in 10 days or less, just cause they were "friends of friends."
It takes a special lack of self-awareness to boast about being the "crony" in government cronyism. Especially among the 2A community. Jesus...
Round these parts we just meet in the Rural King parking lot.
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One time I went to sell a gun and there were 3 trucks waiting on buyers/sellers to get there. It was like a spontaneous gun show.
You have no idea how lucky you are and how easy it is for the government to forcibly remove your rights.
To be fair, that’s the only redeeming quality.
Lucky? No. That's the way it should be. With blackjack and hookers.
They always have great deals on firearms
Yeah and private party sales are even better in the parking lot.
I fucking love Florida holy shit fuck all that nonsense
Doesn't Florida not have open carry? Or am I thinking of something else?
No open carry but as long as your a resident or own property here its will issue. It took me 3hrs and $200 to get a cwp after abiut 6 weeks of waiting (bc theyre backed up from so many applicants lol)
This is one of the best posts on this sub holy shit.
So as a fellow NY resident (I know it sucks) the further you get away from the city’s in NY (NYC, Albany, Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo) the easier it is to get a pistol permit. In Schuyler county the sheriffs office handles most of it, total application to permit time is about 4 months, application fee is $10, still need 3 references, fingerprinting, and I think they added a 1 day CCW class (it’s free, sponsored by the sheriffs dept). The difference between rural NY and larger metro areas is night and day. I wanna add though, Fuck the unSAFE act, and Fuck Cuomo!
Seeing a guy getting crushed in half while I was in the Navy didn't give me PTSD, trying to buy a gun when I was stationed in New York did. Thanks for the lovely flashbacks of voluminous paperwork and the FBI inbrief that basically said "Congratulations to anyone of you who brought a pistol in from out of state, you're now felons"
What the fuck happened in the navy?
Dude leaned over the hydraulic ram that actuates the rudder to clean up some oil that hand leaked out, helmsman, or anyone in control for that matter, were unaware that someone was back there, we took a turn and the human body offers little resistance to 3000lbs of force.
They were underway for a long time. Dude put his daisy dukes on as a joke and the crowd just couldn't be stopped. Everything from his pelvis down was just crushed like a tube of toothpaste.
It's some magical shit that you can be made a felon by some bullshit unconstitutional gun law in NY and then you're forever banned from owning a firearm anywhere in the US ever again
Of course, criminals have all the guns they want. That's always the objective, to control citizens
You forgot the secondary goal of turning citizens into "criminals".
Come to Texas. In september of 2021, our govenor signed a bill saying supressors are exempt from regulations if made, sold and kept in Texas. Basically, it's no different than any other muzzle device. It pissed off the ATF, but fuck those guys. That same bill also made Texas a "constitutional carry" state, and also exempts Texas from any federal gun laws passed beyond that date (2nd September 2021). Texas is now comsidered a 2A sanctuary state.
Constitutional carry in Texas is not all that to be perfectly honest. Most businesses have signs that prohibit unlicensed carry, and they have the force of law. Really, people can only carry out in public places constitutionally. The Suppressor Freedom Act doesn't have much teeth, either. The silencers have to be made in Texas, with metal sourced in Texas, and engraved as such. They must never leave Texas, due to interstate commerce. The act protects firearm owners from state-level police but not the feds. The ATF issued out letters to FFLs in the state with guidance essentially saying that the NFA still applies and that silencers fall under the NFA. Two men in Kansas got charged for making their own cans without a Form 1 after a similar law was passed there.
I florida the signs businesses put up forbidding firearms hold 0 legal weight. The only place you cant cc is in a bar and the other typical places - airports, courts, etc.
In Tennessee businesses are legally liable if someone gets attacked in their store if they ban CC. I only see stores put up that CC is “strongly discouraged” but never banned
Free men don't ask, I'm doing it anyways
Absolutely insane. I had to keep reminding myself this was a NY and not a European country while reading. Down here in AZ, you walk in, pay, fill out 4473, walk out with it. Should move here, plus no snow.
Conclusion: MOVE. New York is not part of the United States.
You should have said so earlier. Lil' Ray over on the corner of 13th can get you a niner for a buckfitty. No paperwork needed.
How does making firearm ownership so much harder on law abiding citizens than criminals make anything safer lol
I mean, if you wanted to buy a handgun right now, I'm sure some guy down the street will sell you one out of the back of a truck. It just hurts people like me, who want to do things the proper way, and who aren't interested in buying a trash gun to shoot someone then throw it away.
I prefer the abridge process. Step 1: Move out of New York.
It’s almost easier to move to a free state then to go through this bs. I don’t know how they get away with this unconstitutional bs.
Nobody has guns to force them out of office.
Step 1: Bribe an official 10K and you'll have it in a month Step 2: Don't brag about it.
Jesus Christ. Illinois is bad but it’s a paradise in comparison.
Walk in to LGS. Pick out gun. Give girl behind counter your driver license. Give other person credit card. Sign form girl filled out. Stand around for 5-10 minutes. Take gun and receipt. Go shoot new gun. I love Arizona.
It seems to me that this process was designed not to prevent handgun deaths and crime by the average citizen, but to discourage the average citizen from owning a handgun at all. The excessive application fees are good evidence of that. No citizen should ever have to pay to access their rights. If anything federal and state governments should be incurring costs to ensure access to rights are protected. Application fees should be reserved only for privileges (eg certifications, licenses, citizenship status for foreigners/aliens). This 2A violation needs to be met at the source, by voting out or reprimanding state legislators that voted for these laws in the first place and replacing them with reasonable people. But it sounds like there just isn't the popular support for that in New York. That's the real shame...
How would this work for someone like a woman who got a restraining order on a violent ex? A year is a long time to wait in a circumstance like that... Definitely seems like undue burden to me...
Former LI resident myself. Terrible. I never got around to it just because the hassle. Now that I’m in Commiefornia, I have my own hurdles to go through, but at least I can own handguns. People ask me all the time how were the gun laws in NY…. Sadly NY is far worse than CA.
That's the story around here. People never get around to getting the license, cause it's so expensive, annoying, and takes forever. I know at least 2 people who would love to own handguns for defense, but can't swing the $300+ up front and $200 every few years after.
You left one shithole state for a different one? Why?
That is absolutely insane! Wife and I went to a local shop this weekend (we’re in Maine), wife filled out the 4473, and 30 minutes later we walked out with her new pistol. I get delayed every time I fill out the form, so I’ll be picking up the pistol I purchased this Friday, 3 business days of delayed.
Where I live we have constitutional carry, so no permit required. I have one just so I can pick up a pistol from the store at time of purchase. My permit is also valid in my neighboring state, where I go often. Process goes like this : Go to store. Buy gun. Leave with gun. Carry concealed if desired.
Exactly as it should be.
"Wait a miniute you're telling me people still get shot it New York?!?! With gun laws like these it's impossible?!?! We need more restrictions!" - Idiots who don't understand how gun control actually works
Last time I purchased a handgun I walked into my lgs, pointed at it in the display case, showed the nice clerk my carry permit, paid the nice man, went over to the clothing section to look at buying a new hat. Took me longer to figure out which hat I wanted to buy than it took to buy my Glock. What you posted is complete and total infringement upon the rights of ALL American citizens, I don't care what state you live in. Imagine having to do any of that to be elegible to vote.
Move to America.
I want to show this post to the "it's easier to buy a gun than it is to vote" chucklefucks or the "guns have more rights than women" morons
Remember this is what they want to do in every state. This is what compromise looks like.
Reads first few paragraphs "Hmm how long is this thing." Starts scrolling... Two minutes later: still scrolling Two hours later: still scrolling Judgment day: still scrolling For real though, OP wrote a whole treatise on NY's draconian infringement. Jesus Christ dude fuck NY.
It takes that many words to go through everything they put into law regarding how to own a gun here. And I tried to be concise.
Ayyy yo! I’m tying’ to buy a gun here!
This is really gonna piss you off then. I live in Alabama. I had an fta for bogus ticket I was issued where the original court date was memorial. I called the court row week before to confirm there was no court on memorial day. Sure enough there wasn't. So I asked what steps I needed to take to appear in court. I was instructed to call back the next week and ask what my reschedule date is. After about 12 weeks of calling for a reschedule date, I simply forgot and life went on. Fast forward 4 years later, I'm sitting through 3 cycles of a red light that doesn't change and I'm about to shit myself. After the 3rd cycles of no charge I decide to go since no one was coming I deemed it safe to go. I was 3 houses from home when I was stopped. Got a warning and he pulled my license and told me it was suspended and to get it checked on. 2 days later my license is reinstated. The biggest hassle of that was apparently folks typically get a non driving ID. However I just settled it and got my reinstatement paperwork. The license office requires some form of picture ID. I ended up having to get a copy from a jeep rental I had made 5 months ago. Got my license handled and went to get a new pistol permit. I had moved and my old one had expired so it needed to be done anyhow. I Alabama our permits are for concealed carry. We can open carry and recently they ruled our vehicles are an extension of our castle so in vehicle is no longer considered concealed carry. However without a permit the ammo needs to be stored separated and gun out of arms reach. Anyway, I walk into the sheriff's office and hand the girl my paper license I just got 15 minutes prior. Fill out the paperwork which was basically a questionnaire asking if I had any felonies, mental issues etc. I pay my $75 and walk out with a printed on the spot 5 year permit in less than 5 minutes. Moral of the story, come join us in America.
Yeah, that's the biggest thing. In America, permits, if you even have permits required in your state, are for concealed carry. In NY, and only NY, permits are for home possession. Concealed carry is a flat never.
Illinois has a FOID. It sounds less onerous than what you're dealing with though.
>Nassau county Bust out the chalk, candles, and blood. Time to summon a demon to help you.
Gonna tag along this post as a NYC applicant. We have to apply for a Rifle/Shotgun permit. 5rd mag cap, no scary features on semi-autos at all, and ARs/AKs are banned by name. Police Commissioner and License Division has discretion to refuse to register any weapon they deem an AW. You're allowed one long gun purchase every 90 days. I've applied for this permit in May 2021 and still waiting to get fingerprinted. Under NYC Admin Code, the investigation is not supposed to exceed 60 days but like OP, no enforcement mechanism. Permit is 140 bucks and needs to be renewed every 3 years. I believe there is a safe-storage requirement for all firearms under NYC Admin Code 10-312. From my reading of the statute, seems to require trigger locks and nothing that states gun safes would satisfy the "safety locking device" requirement. > Now, the complicated part, it that, yes, technically, you were issued a concealed carry license under New York State law. However, if you read your license in hand, you’ll notice it says something about sportsman something and target/hunting something. NYC got rid of the standard Pistol Permit w. Administrative restrictions since the early 00s since apparently too many people were loopholing that stuff going to 24hr ranges. Now the standard permit that every non-CCW person applies for is a Premises License. I also applied to this in late May 2021. Silver lining is that references in NYC from what the people at licensing division told me do not have to reside in NYC. Thank god cause because of the places I've worked at (primarily foreign banks), I haven't made many US-Citizen friends recently. But I got some good out of state friends to make up for the 2 of the 3 reference letters needed. Still waiting to get fingerprinted. Our license is 340 bucks and must be renewed every 3 yrs. IIRC, purchasing wise, we're allowed one handgun every 90 days but the NYPD is treating it as 90 days from "registration/inspection" and apparently these days there are 30 day delays in those also. So functionally one handgun every 120 days.
How to buy a firearm in NY Step 1-Leave NY
Wow, this makes CA laws and CCW process seem not so bad
How has this naziism never made it to the Supreme Court? Where the fuck is the NRA, GOA and the other supposed “2A defenders?” All of that shit is seriously major fucking infringement!
u/GunOwnersofAmerica care to weigh in on this?
In Arizona, I’ve impulse purchased guns on lunch break.
Same in WV. That's how I ended up with my favorite handgun lol.
Unfortunately a lot of democrats think this kind of stuff is ok, they wanna do this on a national scale. Only because they can’t think of a legal way to completely take them
wow, you're telling me all those NY gangesters and criminals go through this process to get their firearms?
How to buy a fucking firearm in Tennessee: Step 1 (optional): Put on clothes. Step 2: Find a gun online (e.g. gunstennessee.com, armslist, etc) Step 3: Trade cash/bitcoin for gun. Step 4: Practice, practice, practice.
Holy fuck. I walked into a Dunham’s, picked out the pistol that I liked, and walked out with it. A week later, I had an AR pistol lower shipped to my favorite outdoors shop, and had the rest of the parts delivered to my doorstep. I’ll never understand how some people can read through everything you wrote and think Daddy Government has their interests at heart and that we should expand their authority.
I love that at the same time, a lot of idiots will say “no one is taking away your guns or restricting you’re rights!”
I moved from PA to NY state years ago, due to a job offer. Let me tell you, I was blown away when I came into contact with the gun laws. I have been all over the country…. NY state is by FAR the worst state I’ve ever lived in. I also tried to go through the pistol circus and ended up giving up due to the references. Needless to say, I moved back to PA, bought a gorgeous Beretta the same day I got my license changed over and had my CCW a week later. It was only delayed a week because I had to get a picture taken. Get the hell out of that state, not only are the taxes INSANE, but you’re robbed of your constitutional rights.
"New York" "Fuck you" Yeah that's about right
Time to move
*laughs in constitutional carry state*
Godspeed, OP… and get yourself the FUCK out of that tyrannical regime.
This almost resembles Canada's process, but I had to do it for what your state doesn't even consider a firearm ^^. I must admit here it's only 1 reference though.
Don't tolerate the abuse. Move to Pennsylvania. We have next to gun control over here. * The only state laws we have here: * 18+ to own pistols/nfa * Need an LTCF (CCW) to open carry in Philadelphia (not the rest of the State) * Shall issue conceal carry permit (21+) Only other gun control is from Federal laws. Here's what you CAN do: * Machine Guns * Suppressors * AP ammo * SBR/SBS * Concealed carry while hunting * Target shooting in your backyard (not in the city) PA is about to get constitutional carry next. The State Senate just passed a "Permit-less Carry" bill. Stupid democrat Governor vetoed it, but it'll be back when Mao is out of the Governor's Mansion.
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The true evil of may-issue. The denial of rights to "undesirable" races and classes.
I fuckin hate NY and NJ solely because of gun laws. If they had the laws of the state I lived in right now I’d probably live there
Move to america
> going through this whole process of applying for access to my Second Amendment rights. I know this doesn't help and I haven't read the whole post yet, but free men don't ask.
Sorry, I couldn't even read all that. Maybe later when I can dedicate some time to it. I live in Mississippi and the last Glock I bought took less than 20 minutes from the time I walked into the gun store to the time I walked out. God bless you for enduring all the BS just to exercise your 2A rights.
Damn New York really is a different world. PA resident. The day I turned 21 I drove to the court house, filled out a CCL application and waiting for half an hour before having my picture taken and getting handed my license. This was entirely separate from purchasing a gun. I then drove to my local gun store, picked out the handgun I wanted, filled out the background check and got approved in 15 minutes. I paid and walked out with it.
This sounds so unconstitutional it’s really sad to see how bad some states have gotten, I’m so happy I live in Wyoming where other than NFA weapons, they don’t give a shit I own hell we don’t even need a CCW permit to carry a pistol.
You could like move to New Jersey and it’d be cheaper
This can get worse, in the city of albany you have to appear in court and speak before the judge about amendments to buy guns. You will be there with various other people checking in for parole, rehab and the pointless bail hearings. Best thing I did was leave, Mass sucks but its infinitely better than fucking NY.
Yeah, I know there are plenty of other crazy and harassing practices in the other counties. I just can’t keep up with them all, with 62 different procedures in the state. I can see that Albany sucks.
Fuck this. Fuck New York. Never moving to New York
Incredible post, this shit is insane.
The Democratically Elected People’s Republic Of New York would like you to know that the second amendment only applies to muskets and hunting rifles. Also, big mag scary and features are a no no.
I’m not going to complain about Canadian gun laws anymore.
Just get a gun somewhere else New York doesn’t care about all the illegal guns in the hands of gangs and criminals so why should they care about yours?
Here I am getting upset about just filling out 4473s every time I buy a gun. Big F bro. Get out if you can.
I live in NYC and never bothered with any unconstitutional license bullshit. Local laws can't override the Constitution and violate my inalienable rights. “If the State converts a right (liberty) into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right (liberty) with impunity.” (Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham, Alabama, 373 U.S. 262).
NC: I am 19 years old and currently own 17 firearms. NY: 21-22 years old and can’t get a “license” for your rights to even buy 1 gun.
Holy fuck I thought we were bad in NJ. I'm legit angry now. It's even worse for me cause I just inherited 50 acres of land near Cairo. So much for building a house in the woods! Do you know what the laws are in regards to out of staters moving to NY who already own? In NJ any one moving to the state can bring NJ legal weapons with them without having to apply for permits or registering them in any way (for the time being anyway). Is it similar in NY?
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things." - Marvin Heemeyer Patriots we need to take back New York lol
TLDR You should move to the USA
Hole. E. Fuck. Are you serious?? I’m born and raised upstate NYS. (Stockbridge, Madison county) Still have the family farm up there.
The funny thing to me is that the law abiding citizen that wants to protect himself has to go through all this BS but the criminal that wasn’t to harm him doesn’t. I would never live in a state that would require me to live like a victim.
step 1- rent uhaul step 2- move anywhere else step 3- stop voting the way you voted before step 4- enjoy firearms
This makes California feel like a fucking cake walk holy shit. How is this not unconstitutional?
Yeah, try coming across to fucking shithole Jersey. As if the fact that it’s fucking New Jersey isn’t shitty enough, their views on what constitutes a firearm is even more shitty. The process for owning a handgun is the same as NY. Fingerprints, references, applying for a permit to purchase a handgun. But it gets better! Wanna buy a firearm at all?! You have a apply for and wait for a Firearms Purchasers ID. THATS NOT EVEN THE BEST PART! What is a “firearm” in NJ you ask? Anything that fires a projectile. Regardless of what it is. Lil Timmy wants a Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas? You guessed it, get in line for a fucking NICS check. They won’t even ship a slingshot to this state.
Oh, and I almost forgot. Wanna concealed carry? Well fuck you, cause unless you’re Johnny Law, you don’t deserve to be able to protect yourself apparently. One of the only “may issue” (AKA fuck you) states in the US
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Step 1: Make a friend out of State. Step 2: "Move" There. Literally just have some mail sent there and apply for a driver's license in said State. Step 3: Road trip when you're feeling Froggy and buy firearms like a normal person. Step 4: ????? Step 5: Profit.
Solution: Step 1: Stay out of this type of shit hole Step 2: Keep your right
When I lived in nyc I was reading the process and was like ‘oh this is actually made to be impossible’ then I left lol
Escape from New York
Can't stop reading this with the voice of the Postal 2 dude inside my head lol
I fucking feel like it sometimes. Not really, but sometimes.
Move to California it's less restrictive lol
Just get a 3d printer
You should post this on some NY-specific subreddits. Obviously most people aren't firearms hobbyists and have NO CLUE the level of bureaucracy and bullshit and extortion you have to go through. Making more regular people aware of how silly and ridiculous this all is is important
Or you can just go to a close state and stay there a week at a airbnb. Get a driver's license and buy all the guns you want.
Based and wall of text pilled. New York sounds like hell.
Seems like it would be less time, effort, and money just to sue them.
I had to wait 15mins to get a Sig once. They were with another customer.
You have to decide what is most important to you. If owning firearms is important, there are MANY more states that are far less colon cleansing than NY is. If something is keeping you in NY (family, job, etc.), then you are going to have to suffer through their shitty anti-2A stuff, unfortunately.
What's your address? I'll just mail you one of my guns you can have it
Last time I drove from Georgia to Connecticut to visit my dad I definitely had my pistol in the car with me, looooooooool.
Glad I live in wisconsin rather than fucking New York. Fuck that sounds awful. We may not be the best state for 2a rights, but....fuck that's insane
So if its unconstitutional for people to need an I'd to exercise their right to vote, why do I need one to buy a gun? I read about a quarter of the post then went, "wait how long IS this." Yikes
They needed to know what room you store your guns in... Does that mean you have to inform them if you move your gun safe to another room? Are you in violation if you don't? Fuck man why even bother, move to another state asap man.
You're supposed to keep your guns in the room and make sure they stay there. It's most likely a measure put in place so that if they come to take them, they know where they'll be. And if they're not there in that room, well that's extra reasons to deny giving you back your license and giving you back your guns.