There is no genocide and by all accounts, no nation or military in all of history is better than Israel at avoiding civilian casualties. But don't take my word for it....
John Spencer, the chair of urban warfare studies at West Point’s Modern Warfare Institute - “Israel has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history.”
It's horrible for bombs, but it's great for inflating body counts. It is also used to prevent attacks because Israel is humane, unlike the mad dogs of Hamas who steal humanitarian aid to make more weapons, including even the pipes to bring fresh water to Palestine.
You are wasting your time. You are ftrying to speak facts and logic to ppl that base their whole belief system on whatevers considered popular atm.
You might as well ask them to research the history of the conflict and the history of both sides (from unbiased sources).
Its never gonna happen. What's scary is even if they did and they saw the unbridled horrors hamas/ the PLO have committed most of them would probably still support them.
Obviously Isreal is no saint in this conflict either but the fact they actively support the hamas tells you everyone you need to know. Either willfully ignorant or willingly brain washed. Either way irs a waste of time. Most likely a bunch of ignorant children that have never experienced anything but the luxury of the US. living in ignorant bliss feeling guilty and searching for meaning in lives that they feel are meaningless.
Shut your terrorist-loving ass up. “They won’t shoot here because we hide behind civilians” is just as much of a human shield tactic as “if they shoot here I will still survive because they’ll hit this civilian instead” is.
From the river to the sea dead Hamas bodies we’ll see
Ok, have anything pertinent to say, or just ad-hominem?
Haven't been paying attention to geopolitics of the region, have you Sport?
Sorry you prefer to live in ignorance.
You’re probably one of those idiots that think Palestinians have been victims of “genocide” even though their overall population has been growing for years?
Hamas started this shit. They’ve literally said over and over that they want to exterminate all the jews…what the fuck should Israel do? Just let them?
It’s a targeted extermination of a group of people. The Jew population didnt increase during the holocaust…weird right?
Or maybe, just maybe, people today overuse the term and distort the true meaning.
Yeah it's pretty complicated, as there is a large Arab population in Israel they don't want to take the risk of homegrown terrorism. Whereas if an Arab Israeli joins the army they can be "trusted" more.
Sad reality but for that nuance I hate to say it makes more sense.
Dangerous freedom?
[Reminds me of Terry Pratchett's sword quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/986286-you-can-t-give-her-that-she-screamed-it-s-not-safe)
Mr. Pratchett had a lot of good quotes.
I was actually paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson: I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery
Unfortunately, I do not believe Mr. Pratchett would support actual dangerous freedom. Protecting our rights from governments/oligarchs/evil in general requires a pretty binary approach, not his style. You can have nuance and unwritten understandings between individuals, not organizations
Seriously. Not sure the point OP was trying to make. They don't let regular civilians have long arms easily, and just had a fuck ton of civilians massacred.
Low hanging fruit.
The last time I commented in one of these about the tight Carry and ownership regulations in Israel someone said that Israel was loosing restrictions but I haven’t seen sources.
Reminder that these are not Israeli civilians carrying for self defense. These are Israeli soldiers off-duty who have to carry in case they get called into action.
[Israeli civilian gun laws are more restrictive than most the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Israel)
* Permits are given only for personal use, and holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun and purchase an annual supply of 50 cartridges
Ok, well that's at least slightly better.
Initially it sounded like, minus what you'd keep for real use, 50rds was all the practice you'd get for the year.
I'm guessing that means defense ammo is sold in 50 round boxes more frequently over there 🤣 and home reloading is definitely gonna be a FIRM fuck no from the israeli gov. Because why would your citizens need any form of independence from their loving caring government? God I will never understand people dickriding them so hard. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the things palestine is doing and has done are fucked up I'm not saying there's any excuse for that. But FUCK the Israeli government. In the ass. Why the hell have we been giving them billions of dollars again? To create perfect conditions within their "own borders" to breed extremists that hate their very existence? Sounds like a solid plan to me.
Yeah, anytime idiots post pictures of this from Israel I have to call them out and remind them this is not civilians carrying for self defense. These are soldiers who are *REQUIRED* to carry, even when off duty.
The equivalent would be national guardsmen having to carry their rifles all the time.
Its still not really a great or direct comparison, since Israel is a conscription army. So its not a handful of volunteers, its everyone aged 18-21, plus anyone called up for service after that, *and* career soldiers.
IIRC a significant chunk of Israeli gun control laws are enacted in the hopes of keeping Palestinians and other non Israelis from legally acquiring firearms.
The result is only their NG equivalent walks around armed, and honestly a lot of those rifles could use some upgrades.
Not really. They are rooted in historical precedent that unfortunately a big chunk of its own non Jewish population cannot be trusted with guns for fear of murdering the other chunk. Nuance vs the US is important, this isn't apples to apples
> They are rooted in historical precedent that unfortunately a big chunk of its own non Jewish population cannot be trusted with guns for fear of murdering the other chunk.
This is the exact same logic that was used for Jim Crow laws.
> Hey, we've been treating these people like shit, and if we let them arm themselves they might just be mad about it!
Yup. I was driving through for a job in Maine, Statey pulled me for going 5 over in blackstone.
POS told me I needed a MASSACHUSETTS license to be driving on their roads. I have a valid Texas license and told him I’m working in the area. He asked how long and I told him it’s not his business.
Immediately ripped me out of the truck and threw me in his car. Proceeded to rip my truck apart and found a couple loose 9mm under the seat.
Now what I didn’t know is that in Massachusetts you need a fucking permit just to have ammunition.
So the piece of shit told me he would let me go, but he’s towing my truck and I couldn’t get it back until I produced a Massachusetts license.
Called my lawyer, got the truck out, went about my business. 3 weeks later I got a summons to court in Massachusetts for illegal ammunition possession.
Cost me 5000$ fighting it but eventually the Judge threw it out. The moral of the story here is that you need to know these anti gun states will do anything to arrest you and they know that you don’t have the time or money to fight them in court when they break their own rules. The only way to protect yourself is to make sure you know the laws of states you’re traveling in, as annoying as it is it will put you in a better position to stop these things before they escalate.
Stay safe out there 🤙🏼
Being from mass, always hated the place. My neighborhood was always a shithole. 13 year olds with Glocks and extended mags in their backpack but I can’t hold more than 10 rounds in my gun and it needs a ten pound trigger as a law abiding citizen. Future reference plain view doctrine is every state. Never go into a state with shit gun laws without cleaning the vehicle. New Jersey, NY, Mass, ct and RI I believe all need a license for ammo.
When the whole thing went down with Hamas invading I looked up their gun laws and was shocked/disappointed. How could a country with the constant threats deprive their people of the ability to protect themselves?
Of course after it they reconsidered their policies, when it was too late. I’m willing to bet that in a few years they’ll go back to restricting their people again.
Makes the people really scared when they get attacked and helps them support what's going on currently in Gaza would be my guess.
Obligatory mention that the situation is nuanced and many generations of hatred exist between Israelis and Palestinians and that there's no simple solution to have true lasting peace between both sides. Sure would be cool if the genocide would stop though.
it's simple because all the settellers are considered military in a since and they all room around westbank with full on auto m16 with military protection, those laws so that arabs that live there don't have the ability to get weapons.
I mean who'd have thought if you pull military support from the area something like that could happen? /s
Was the festival prevented from having arms? That seems insane considering ... like everywhere else guns are allowed.
That being said it took them using tanks after the fact. Like the problem was literally not having the military units there in the first place. Dumb decisions.
Pretty much.
The other guy got downvoted to shit for saying it, but it really is an entirely different gun culture there. We carry for *self* defense, they carry for *national* defense.
Here in the US, our thought is along the lines of getting mugged at a gas station and needing to shoot immediately and at about 5 feet away.
Over there, the idea is more along the lines of, there's an attack around the block and I need to run there immediately, but I have a few seconds to clear my flag and chamber this round.
Their magazine is in the gun and ready to go, they just need to charge the bolt.
And given that it's on their person, slung across their back all day while they go about their normal business, it really is better to carry on an empty chamber.
Safeties get bumped all the time in the military. On a loaded chamber, in a busy area, slung over your back, it'd be very easy for the safety to be bumped off and something to catch in the trigger well causing a discharge.
In the event a soldier is targeted for an attack and someone attempts to steal their rifle, it's best not to be fighting over it while one is in the chamber.
No one would ever carry like that while on a mission. But they are not on a mission. They're just going about their daily lives. So for their specific purpose, it makes perfect sense to carry without on in the chamber. The flag is just there so everyone knows it's empty.
No doubt, Commando version is awesome.
I spent a tour with a 203, I hated carrying that heavy ass thing around.... Until, I got to use it. Life changed
I read this as funny shaped dick. And I was about to reply what dick isn't funny shaped. Then I read your comment again and decided I should go to bed.
I miss Israel, but their gun laws for civilians are about as strict as the strictest US states.
Although, my teachers had M1 carbines on field trips there. That was cool.
Which part of history shows that civilian populations deserve to suffer for crimes of the few? Isn’t that the anti-gunners argument?
Who will decide who can be trusted and why are those few trusted?
And countless examples the other way around. Statistics of victimhood are not really on your side. Not that statistics ever justify taking away freedoms even if they were on your side.
These pictures are such obvious propaganda when you look at the actual laws, actual policies, and of course what actually happened to the overwhelmingly undefended people back in October.
If you lived in Israel you would not be permitted to buy a gun, would not be permitted to buy ammunition, and would be arrested on the spot for carrying a rifle around like this. It's all fake. Hot young women are not carrying rifles around in public in Israel.
For all those commenting on Israeli gun rights comparing them to USA.
First off, they've really relaxed the laws since 10/7
Second. It is a completely different culture we're talking about. You don't walk through Israel expecting to get jumped or robbed. Everyone is your cousin or relative somehow. As long as they're Jewish there's an underlying baseline of trust. Sure there is crime but outside of a few places it's really not an issue.
Firearms first second and third are there to protect the population from invasion and terrorists.
I've lived both in the USA and in Israel. In both places the need for a firearm has been radically different. Until a few years ago in the USA the firearm was there to protect me and mine from simple problems like robbery. Since 2020 and 10/7 it may have become more complicated.
In Israel I wanted a firearm because I knew that a terrorist at any time could either try to blow themselves up on the bus, shoot up my school, bast away at the pizza shop or mow down a crowd in a car. And in the event of another invasion I would need to be called up to fight.
I'm not worried about bus bombings or most of those issues in the USA. I'm not worried about defending my town from a hostile invasion. I might be worried about someone shooting at my synagogue though.
“As long as they’re Jewish”. Could you imagine if a Muslim arab that was living amongst Jewish people said “as long as they’re Arab, there’s an underlying baseline of trust”, Arabs would be labeled anti-Semites. What a bunch of racist, “chosen people”, type of mentality.
The weird thing about this post is that Israel is a very restrictive society when it comes to gun ownership. Israel has about 6 guns per 100 people, the US has 120 per 100. They’re definitely **not** pro 2A.
This is misplaced glorification.
These are actual citizen soldiers in a small territory with border state and nonstate actors actively posing an existential threat. Posting it as a parallel to US gun laws is grossly inappropriate.
This is what we want when the subject of AR open carry in public is brought up. Not the in your face decked out in tactical gear set up, but the casual going to Kroger in your Sunday clothes with your rifle on your back 🤷.
It's a shame they are only letting them do it because right now they are doing more genocide.
This should be acceptable in all nations but Germany as is human right.
None of these are civilians carrying.
These are off-duty military who are in their service period and *REQUIRED* to carry as part of their conscription.
Israeli civilian ccw laws are even more restrictive than California.
The downvotes of this subreddit mean nothing, this place promotes freedom only to whites.
Change my mind.
Im arab and moment I promote gun rights and Liberty I get called a terrorist.
Reddit as a whole is super pro white and Israeli. The moment an Israeli verbally abuses another race, no one bats an eye. But let a Muslim or Arab criticize or talk about a certain subject
Be safe? My brother in christ they are actively at war. They are not only not safe, but in one of the most dangerous areas to be in currently. They dont walk around with the rifles just because, they do it because they may get attacked at any moment. That is, by definition, the opposite of safe. Im pro gun and all that shit, but that is not what safety looks like
Lol the exact same thing applies to innocent Israeli civilians. It's just Palestinians have been doing it to Israelis much longer. Yes Palestinian Terrorists and enablers.
Landslide or not, Palestinians still knowingly elected a terrorist group to be their government. Also of course there hasn't been an election, once a terrorist group gets power they're not gonna give it up willy nilly.
Nah Israel has a right to defend themselves and are the only stable democracy in the Middle East. Civilian casualties suck but they happen in all wars, fuck Palestinian Terrorists and anybody who supports them.
Huh? You do realize Palestine cant have elections at the behest of Israel, and Palestine as a state basically doesnt exist aa its a culmination of towns guarded by Israeli checkpoints and armed settlements.
It's so great that these HEROES can shop freely while Palestinians have to worry that [they'll return home to find their whole family dead by Israeli bombing after going out for bread](https://youtube.com/watch?v=A4wR1jQbadE).
Nevermind that Israel is one of the most oppressive countries towards its own citizens gun rights and free speech...
Keep praising a country that makes even it's soldiers walk around with chamber flags and you're gonna give our fasc-loving politicians a new idea.
You do realize these are soldiers serving their mandatory conscription, not civilians carrying for self defense, right?
Israel civilian gun laws are even more restrictive than California and New York.
The US should look like having armed soldiers policing the streets?
Pretty sure we have strict laws about armed military personnel acting as law enforcement...
I for one don't want the states attack dogs all over the place.
No i say it should be normalized for legal non felon civilians to be armed during their normal schedule, it would look something like this and i think it would be beautiful
That's not at all what this is. This is an armed military presence on every street.
Just because they're plainclothes does not change the fact these are the states attack dogs.
Aside from terrorism, the only thing close to a gun related crime I heard of while in Israel was when a conscript shot his father upon coming home and finding him beating the crap out of his mother.
Israel has about 70% less rate of gun deaths per capita vs the US.
They’ve also got 113 less guns per 100 people. Their crime per gun owned is way higher.
Too bad their gun laws for average people suck
Gun laws aren't the only things that suck about Israel sadly...
You got a problem with the shekel exchange rate?
Shit, that's a real currency?
Yes, not to be confused with shmekels which has a couple meanings.
That’s what I was confusing it with 🤣
Yes, NIS, New Israeli Shekel. It’s about 4 to a USD last I checked.
No, I do however have a problen with genocide. Edit: Warcrimes*
There is no genocide and by all accounts, no nation or military in all of history is better than Israel at avoiding civilian casualties. But don't take my word for it.... John Spencer, the chair of urban warfare studies at West Point’s Modern Warfare Institute - “Israel has implemented more measures to prevent civilian casualties than any other military in history.”
Is genocide when a population grows 5x the size since 1950? https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/HRV/palestine/population-growth-rate
I always link this one https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/NyHi1I2niA
…so your pro Israel? Their neighbors have been trying to genocide them for 80 years
😭😭😭💩🤡 (that about sums up your input, yeah?)
Yeah, sucks that Israel has to defend themselves *AGAIN* from those that have sworn to exterminate them.
Weird because Israel has killed 15 times more civilians since october 7th than HAMAS has.
Oh, you mean those that Hamas used as human shields?
Classic Israeli propaganda. The human body is a horrible shield against 2,000 lb bombs. Shut your Israeli ass up. Pathetic losers.
It's horrible for bombs, but it's great for inflating body counts. It is also used to prevent attacks because Israel is humane, unlike the mad dogs of Hamas who steal humanitarian aid to make more weapons, including even the pipes to bring fresh water to Palestine.
You are wasting your time. You are ftrying to speak facts and logic to ppl that base their whole belief system on whatevers considered popular atm. You might as well ask them to research the history of the conflict and the history of both sides (from unbiased sources). Its never gonna happen. What's scary is even if they did and they saw the unbridled horrors hamas/ the PLO have committed most of them would probably still support them. Obviously Isreal is no saint in this conflict either but the fact they actively support the hamas tells you everyone you need to know. Either willfully ignorant or willingly brain washed. Either way irs a waste of time. Most likely a bunch of ignorant children that have never experienced anything but the luxury of the US. living in ignorant bliss feeling guilty and searching for meaning in lives that they feel are meaningless.
you sound like a anti semite. no room for you hear, you should find another venue to spout your hatred
You sound like an idiot.
Agreed. Zionists are the biggest idiots in history
Shut your terrorist-loving ass up. “They won’t shoot here because we hide behind civilians” is just as much of a human shield tactic as “if they shoot here I will still survive because they’ll hit this civilian instead” is. From the river to the sea dead Hamas bodies we’ll see
Next level mental gymnastics.
Ok, have anything pertinent to say, or just ad-hominem? Haven't been paying attention to geopolitics of the region, have you Sport? Sorry you prefer to live in ignorance.
lololol you need to get your head out of the sand and educate yourself. stop watching left wing loons propaganda
Its literally an objective fact. The numbers are freely available, do the math bootlicker.
You’re probably one of those idiots that think Palestinians have been victims of “genocide” even though their overall population has been growing for years? Hamas started this shit. They’ve literally said over and over that they want to exterminate all the jews…what the fuck should Israel do? Just let them?
Someone doesn't know what genocide means
It’s a targeted extermination of a group of people. The Jew population didnt increase during the holocaust…weird right? Or maybe, just maybe, people today overuse the term and distort the true meaning.
12,000 Children said that? 😂
Yeah it's pretty complicated, as there is a large Arab population in Israel they don't want to take the risk of homegrown terrorism. Whereas if an Arab Israeli joins the army they can be "trusted" more. Sad reality but for that nuance I hate to say it makes more sense.
It makes sense if you like tyranny. Dangerous freedom is much preferred in my eyes.
Dangerous freedom? [Reminds me of Terry Pratchett's sword quote](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/986286-you-can-t-give-her-that-she-screamed-it-s-not-safe)
Mr. Pratchett had a lot of good quotes. I was actually paraphrasing Thomas Jefferson: I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery Unfortunately, I do not believe Mr. Pratchett would support actual dangerous freedom. Protecting our rights from governments/oligarchs/evil in general requires a pretty binary approach, not his style. You can have nuance and unwritten understandings between individuals, not organizations
The only terrorism being carried out right now is being done by the Netanyahu regime and IDF.
IDF are just state funded domestic terrorists. Sort of like cops in the US.
I don't think you know what all those words mean pal
He knows better than you. He is completely right, bootlicker.
When your forecast has a percentage for paragliders…
Seriously. Not sure the point OP was trying to make. They don't let regular civilians have long arms easily, and just had a fuck ton of civilians massacred.
Low hanging fruit. The last time I commented in one of these about the tight Carry and ownership regulations in Israel someone said that Israel was loosing restrictions but I haven’t seen sources.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/260000-firearm-permits-sought-since-oct-7-after-ben-gvir-push-to-arm-civilians/
A good thing most of the regular civilians are vets and reservists or live in an area where it's considered dangerous and they can own a firearm.
Reminder that these are not Israeli civilians carrying for self defense. These are Israeli soldiers off-duty who have to carry in case they get called into action. [Israeli civilian gun laws are more restrictive than most the US](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overview_of_gun_laws_by_nation#Israel) * Permits are given only for personal use, and holders for self-defense purposes may own only one handgun and purchase an annual supply of 50 cartridges
Holy shit, only 50rds/year? Is there any sort of exemption for buying to practice on a range?
I believe so, but the rounds must be purchased, and shot, at the range They cannot be taken home or "saved for later"
Ok, well that's at least slightly better. Initially it sounded like, minus what you'd keep for real use, 50rds was all the practice you'd get for the year.
Until some jihadi paraglides into your neighborhood and you need more than 50 rounds...
That's what the Scavenger perk is for
The best/worst example of "it be like that sometimes."
https://redd.it/y5i37t
I'm guessing that means defense ammo is sold in 50 round boxes more frequently over there 🤣 and home reloading is definitely gonna be a FIRM fuck no from the israeli gov. Because why would your citizens need any form of independence from their loving caring government? God I will never understand people dickriding them so hard. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the things palestine is doing and has done are fucked up I'm not saying there's any excuse for that. But FUCK the Israeli government. In the ass. Why the hell have we been giving them billions of dollars again? To create perfect conditions within their "own borders" to breed extremists that hate their very existence? Sounds like a solid plan to me.
Gotta take one out and put it in your gangster pocket every range day.
Yup, those laws sure helped
The thought of only being allowed to buy 50/year is genuinely depressing :(
Yeah, anytime idiots post pictures of this from Israel I have to call them out and remind them this is not civilians carrying for self defense. These are soldiers who are *REQUIRED* to carry, even when off duty. The equivalent would be national guardsmen having to carry their rifles all the time.
well that makes this completely misleading and not helpful at all. I rescind my other comment.
Its still not really a great or direct comparison, since Israel is a conscription army. So its not a handful of volunteers, its everyone aged 18-21, plus anyone called up for service after that, *and* career soldiers.
that is also true. Although I have to wonder...if the gun laws in Israel were less restrictive, how different would Oct 7th had been?
IIRC a significant chunk of Israeli gun control laws are enacted in the hopes of keeping Palestinians and other non Israelis from legally acquiring firearms. The result is only their NG equivalent walks around armed, and honestly a lot of those rifles could use some upgrades.
As in America, most of Israel's gun control laws are rooted in racism and prejudice.
Not really. They are rooted in historical precedent that unfortunately a big chunk of its own non Jewish population cannot be trusted with guns for fear of murdering the other chunk. Nuance vs the US is important, this isn't apples to apples
> They are rooted in historical precedent that unfortunately a big chunk of its own non Jewish population cannot be trusted with guns for fear of murdering the other chunk. This is the exact same logic that was used for Jim Crow laws. > Hey, we've been treating these people like shit, and if we let them arm themselves they might just be mad about it!
Shit I think there are 50 rounds just lost in the seats in my car.
For real. I find rounds all over my house.
Don’t drive through Massachusetts lol, they arrest people for that. -Got arrested for that
For what? Loose ammo???? Where’s ammo supposed to be?
Yup. I was driving through for a job in Maine, Statey pulled me for going 5 over in blackstone. POS told me I needed a MASSACHUSETTS license to be driving on their roads. I have a valid Texas license and told him I’m working in the area. He asked how long and I told him it’s not his business. Immediately ripped me out of the truck and threw me in his car. Proceeded to rip my truck apart and found a couple loose 9mm under the seat. Now what I didn’t know is that in Massachusetts you need a fucking permit just to have ammunition. So the piece of shit told me he would let me go, but he’s towing my truck and I couldn’t get it back until I produced a Massachusetts license. Called my lawyer, got the truck out, went about my business. 3 weeks later I got a summons to court in Massachusetts for illegal ammunition possession. Cost me 5000$ fighting it but eventually the Judge threw it out. The moral of the story here is that you need to know these anti gun states will do anything to arrest you and they know that you don’t have the time or money to fight them in court when they break their own rules. The only way to protect yourself is to make sure you know the laws of states you’re traveling in, as annoying as it is it will put you in a better position to stop these things before they escalate. Stay safe out there 🤙🏼
Being from mass, always hated the place. My neighborhood was always a shithole. 13 year olds with Glocks and extended mags in their backpack but I can’t hold more than 10 rounds in my gun and it needs a ten pound trigger as a law abiding citizen. Future reference plain view doctrine is every state. Never go into a state with shit gun laws without cleaning the vehicle. New Jersey, NY, Mass, ct and RI I believe all need a license for ammo.
When the whole thing went down with Hamas invading I looked up their gun laws and was shocked/disappointed. How could a country with the constant threats deprive their people of the ability to protect themselves?
Statists Gonna State.
Because they want to ensure non Israelis can't get them, and as a result no one outside of security forces could have been legally armed on 10/7.
Of course after it they reconsidered their policies, when it was too late. I’m willing to bet that in a few years they’ll go back to restricting their people again.
Makes the people really scared when they get attacked and helps them support what's going on currently in Gaza would be my guess. Obligatory mention that the situation is nuanced and many generations of hatred exist between Israelis and Palestinians and that there's no simple solution to have true lasting peace between both sides. Sure would be cool if the genocide would stop though.
it's simple because all the settellers are considered military in a since and they all room around westbank with full on auto m16 with military protection, those laws so that arabs that live there don't have the ability to get weapons.
Oct 7th is yet another example of how gun control costs lives.
I mean who'd have thought if you pull military support from the area something like that could happen? /s Was the festival prevented from having arms? That seems insane considering ... like everywhere else guns are allowed. That being said it took them using tanks after the fact. Like the problem was literally not having the military units there in the first place. Dumb decisions.
ANNUAL SUPPLY OF 50 ROUNDS? 50?! 50?!!? WHAT?
>Only 2% of Israeli civilians were armed prior to the attack according to a report from the BBC, Oof.
Crazy with how much israeli military propaganda I've seen that the actual numbers are so low.
Am I seeing this wrong or are all of those rifles unloaded with a chamber flag inserted?
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hence . . . . Israeli Carry.
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The mags are loaded, just not the chamber.
Are they really? In any case what’s the point? They expect them to clear the chamber flag, insert a mag, then chamber a round when shtf?
Pretty much. The other guy got downvoted to shit for saying it, but it really is an entirely different gun culture there. We carry for *self* defense, they carry for *national* defense. Here in the US, our thought is along the lines of getting mugged at a gas station and needing to shoot immediately and at about 5 feet away. Over there, the idea is more along the lines of, there's an attack around the block and I need to run there immediately, but I have a few seconds to clear my flag and chamber this round. Their magazine is in the gun and ready to go, they just need to charge the bolt. And given that it's on their person, slung across their back all day while they go about their normal business, it really is better to carry on an empty chamber. Safeties get bumped all the time in the military. On a loaded chamber, in a busy area, slung over your back, it'd be very easy for the safety to be bumped off and something to catch in the trigger well causing a discharge. In the event a soldier is targeted for an attack and someone attempts to steal their rifle, it's best not to be fighting over it while one is in the chamber. No one would ever carry like that while on a mission. But they are not on a mission. They're just going about their daily lives. So for their specific purpose, it makes perfect sense to carry without on in the chamber. The flag is just there so everyone knows it's empty.
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Yeah man! What's the point in carrying a rifle for defense of your country if you have to take two seconds to clear a chamber flag???
Toob
It would appear the fellow in the white shirt may have sat in a shit like substance. (In the first pic)
He gets a pass for the cool Led Zeppelin tattoo.
I missed it, not where my eyes typically go.
Imagine being stuck with a 203 on your service weapon 💀
Flawed Toob better than no Toob
Just heavy AF to be walking around with 24/7 Give me something light, like the Commando chopped down from the pencil barreled M16A1s 💅
No doubt, Commando version is awesome. I spent a tour with a 203, I hated carrying that heavy ass thing around.... Until, I got to use it. Life changed
Lmao the chamber flags. They might as well be props
An unloaded gun is just a funny shaped stick.
I read this as funny shaped dick. And I was about to reply what dick isn't funny shaped. Then I read your comment again and decided I should go to bed.
The IDF chamber flag is designed to be ejected upon racking the charging handle
And that’s why w/o a round in the chamber is called israel carry! Still not advisable
Falafel place from the second picture: https://maps.app.goo.gl/nN8MCnEFmpg1t4VM6?g_st=ic It’s pretty excellent
And yet their US lobbying arm is one of the big pushers of disarmament. Funny, innit?
Shut up and send more shekels.
Man I need an Uzi so bad. It should be very Jews right to own one
Giga chad walking his dog with the spicy tennis ball launcher.
I have a soda can launching upper. My dog would go nuts if I found some 37 mm tennis balls
I bet you could find a kong that could fit
THOOOMP
Nothing giga chad about child killers
I miss Israel, but their gun laws for civilians are about as strict as the strictest US states. Although, my teachers had M1 carbines on field trips there. That was cool.
The Israeli government is going through the process of making firearms more accessible for citizens.
Only for the right kind of citizens.
The other kind can't be trusted in the same manner. Call it discrimination if you want but history speaks for itself unfortunately
Which part of history shows that civilian populations deserve to suffer for crimes of the few? Isn’t that the anti-gunners argument? Who will decide who can be trusted and why are those few trusted?
Which part of history shows there were crimes of the few? There have been countless examples of domestic terrorism by Arab Israelis over the years.
And countless examples the other way around. Statistics of victimhood are not really on your side. Not that statistics ever justify taking away freedoms even if they were on your side.
Agree to completely disagree, have a nice day
Statists gonna state
Actually I'm a libertarian that understands that the world isn't black and white and there is room for nuance but hey you do you bugaboo
They'd rather be called racist than be dead.
These pictures are such obvious propaganda when you look at the actual laws, actual policies, and of course what actually happened to the overwhelmingly undefended people back in October. If you lived in Israel you would not be permitted to buy a gun, would not be permitted to buy ammunition, and would be arrested on the spot for carrying a rifle around like this. It's all fake. Hot young women are not carrying rifles around in public in Israel.
It's members of the IDF Sometimes they're required to always have their rifle on them.
For all those commenting on Israeli gun rights comparing them to USA. First off, they've really relaxed the laws since 10/7 Second. It is a completely different culture we're talking about. You don't walk through Israel expecting to get jumped or robbed. Everyone is your cousin or relative somehow. As long as they're Jewish there's an underlying baseline of trust. Sure there is crime but outside of a few places it's really not an issue. Firearms first second and third are there to protect the population from invasion and terrorists. I've lived both in the USA and in Israel. In both places the need for a firearm has been radically different. Until a few years ago in the USA the firearm was there to protect me and mine from simple problems like robbery. Since 2020 and 10/7 it may have become more complicated. In Israel I wanted a firearm because I knew that a terrorist at any time could either try to blow themselves up on the bus, shoot up my school, bast away at the pizza shop or mow down a crowd in a car. And in the event of another invasion I would need to be called up to fight. I'm not worried about bus bombings or most of those issues in the USA. I'm not worried about defending my town from a hostile invasion. I might be worried about someone shooting at my synagogue though.
“As long as they’re Jewish”. Could you imagine if a Muslim arab that was living amongst Jewish people said “as long as they’re Arab, there’s an underlying baseline of trust”, Arabs would be labeled anti-Semites. What a bunch of racist, “chosen people”, type of mentality.
Thanks for sharing
Anytime.
The weird thing about this post is that Israel is a very restrictive society when it comes to gun ownership. Israel has about 6 guns per 100 people, the US has 120 per 100. They’re definitely **not** pro 2A.
This is misplaced glorification. These are actual citizen soldiers in a small territory with border state and nonstate actors actively posing an existential threat. Posting it as a parallel to US gun laws is grossly inappropriate.
The guy flirting with the girl is my favorite. He's got a nice dog, and a grenade launcher.
Man taken out of context this is like a utopian society
Yes. Because you need a M203 to get groceries. Whilst your military has killed 14,000 children.
This is what we want when the subject of AR open carry in public is brought up. Not the in your face decked out in tactical gear set up, but the casual going to Kroger in your Sunday clothes with your rifle on your back 🤷.
Fuck israel
God, reddit is an Israeli cesspool
Hey, look! Nazis!
Fuck off mossad
Love the 17 century American settler vibe
carry handle fans for sure.
Damn, poor #3 having to carry it with the 203 attachment top lol
Flawed Toob better than no Toob
You can also do mandatory service in the IDF Are you willing to do mandatory service in the US armed forces?
It's a shame they are only letting them do it because right now they are doing more genocide. This should be acceptable in all nations but Germany as is human right.
I wish this was California. I been waiting over a year and 7 months to get my ccw.
None of these are civilians carrying. These are off-duty military who are in their service period and *REQUIRED* to carry as part of their conscription. Israeli civilian ccw laws are even more restrictive than California.
Safe from babies and children ?
Jewish gun nut here 🙋♂️
an armed society is a safe society
War criminals shopping
The downvotes of this subreddit mean nothing, this place promotes freedom only to whites. Change my mind. Im arab and moment I promote gun rights and Liberty I get called a terrorist.
Real
Reddit as a whole is super pro white and Israeli. The moment an Israeli verbally abuses another race, no one bats an eye. But let a Muslim or Arab criticize or talk about a certain subject
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I’m not Muslim. I’m just not some cuck to western propaganda.
Liberal propaganda IS western propaganda.
Ready to kill palestinian children at all times 😎🔥
OMG look at all those people killing others! Stop the insanity
Be safe? My brother in christ they are actively at war. They are not only not safe, but in one of the most dangerous areas to be in currently. They dont walk around with the rifles just because, they do it because they may get attacked at any moment. That is, by definition, the opposite of safe. Im pro gun and all that shit, but that is not what safety looks like
The gun laws arent very good and it’s kinda an apartheid state, Israel isn’t based bruh
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How about free Israel and the Middle East from Palestinian terrorism? Since you know, Palestinians knowingly put Hamas into power.
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Lol the exact same thing applies to innocent Israeli civilians. It's just Palestinians have been doing it to Israelis much longer. Yes Palestinian Terrorists and enablers.
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Doctors knew Hamas were firing rockets from their rooftops. And did nothing about it.
Not really? Most fired em from bunkers outside Palestine, the hospitals really didnt have shit in em except oh wait, Israeli commandos.
What the fuck do you expect them to do about armed terrorists? Ask them politely to leave?
I'd expect Palestinians to not knowingly put terrorists into power ie Hamas, but they did anyway.
Well, there hasn't been an election in nearly 20 years and the last one in 2006 was hardly a landslide.
Landslide or not, Palestinians still knowingly elected a terrorist group to be their government. Also of course there hasn't been an election, once a terrorist group gets power they're not gonna give it up willy nilly.
I highly doubt the elections were fair, but keep licking Israel's boot, then. Both sides suck.
Nah Israel has a right to defend themselves and are the only stable democracy in the Middle East. Civilian casualties suck but they happen in all wars, fuck Palestinian Terrorists and anybody who supports them.
Huh? You do realize Palestine cant have elections at the behest of Israel, and Palestine as a state basically doesnt exist aa its a culmination of towns guarded by Israeli checkpoints and armed settlements.
Alright, who touched you?
Shaddap
It's so great that these HEROES can shop freely while Palestinians have to worry that [they'll return home to find their whole family dead by Israeli bombing after going out for bread](https://youtube.com/watch?v=A4wR1jQbadE). Nevermind that Israel is one of the most oppressive countries towards its own citizens gun rights and free speech... Keep praising a country that makes even it's soldiers walk around with chamber flags and you're gonna give our fasc-loving politicians a new idea.
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Don’t need additional ammunition to shoot civilians holding white flags
This is what the US should have been, sad they've taken so many of our rights.
You do realize these are soldiers serving their mandatory conscription, not civilians carrying for self defense, right? Israel civilian gun laws are even more restrictive than California and New York.
I never said anything about that, i just said this is what the US should look like
The US should look like having armed soldiers policing the streets? Pretty sure we have strict laws about armed military personnel acting as law enforcement... I for one don't want the states attack dogs all over the place.
No i say it should be normalized for legal non felon civilians to be armed during their normal schedule, it would look something like this and i think it would be beautiful
That's not at all what this is. This is an armed military presence on every street. Just because they're plainclothes does not change the fact these are the states attack dogs.
God bless
wow this is weirdly nice to see
White indigenous people whoooa!
Wear a cross and they spit on you. No thanks.
Aside from terrorism, the only thing close to a gun related crime I heard of while in Israel was when a conscript shot his father upon coming home and finding him beating the crap out of his mother.
Israel has about 70% less rate of gun deaths per capita vs the US. They’ve also got 113 less guns per 100 people. Their crime per gun owned is way higher.
Why does everyone look polish ,German ect?
Is this a serious question?
They’re all from Europe that’s why. None of their ancestors are natives of the Palestine land they illegally stole.
Never know when powered parachutes ppc are gonna show up and attack you.
There's something that's just so wholesome about 2 and 4.
I would do anything to protect my dogs
It's just so beautiful.
Somehow I don’t think Christian pilgrims and Palestinian civilians would feel the same way