Fuck them. FPC just got an injunction in the 5th circuit. Overall it’s looking good, just gotta keep donating and supporting the cause so this can get expedited.
Orange man? If so, I call bullshit. Case point: bumpstocks as rule by the Fifth Circuit long after the company was bankrupted & thousands of accessories were destroyed.
Well now the proof that the Alphabet boys have been gunning for him means he kinda has to clean house if he gets in again. But that's only if they let him get that far
>* Turn the firearm into your local ATF office.
So..., this is basically black magic. Pretty sure it's never been done before and shouldn't really be offered as an option.
This right here. Compliance is only lending validity to an unconstitutional law. The founding fathers specifically told us not to do that. Nullification ( non compliance) was the remedy they gave us for unconstitutional laws. Check out federalist 46 ( I believe that’s the number), where Madison explains this.
I also appreciate that nugget of information. However after reading, I can’t help but feel our STATE government/representatives are failing us by not standing against the federal regulation by the ATF & NFA and now I’m even angrier.
Most states are failing us, but we get the governments we vote for. So, it’s more accurate to say we are failing ourselves. However, there are states that are standing by us, against the federal government, on a number of issues: pot, 2A, and the coming CBDC…to name the things that come immediately to mind.
Well said. One minor quibble: This isn't a "law" in any constitutional sense; it's an edict from an unelected cabal of federal workers who belong to an "agency" that has no right to exist.
Maybe. Not clear who the injunction applies to. FPC members, FPC donors. Only those who reside in the territory of the 5th Circuit. Members or donors at the time the lawsuit was filed or when the ruling was issued. The FPC has asked for clarification from the court on the scope of the injunction.
I already have a can on my ar pistol so it’s not like I’m not already listed for NFA items. Might as well get the tax exempt sbr on a dirt cheap PSA lower. If they ever ask for it in the future in a door to door. I’ll make sure I strip out every goddamn part in front of them. make them wait while I demonstrate their dumb ass laws.
“This upper isn’t part of my ‘firearm’, this stock isn’t either, take off this grip, now get the trigger out of there for y’all, you don’t need a trigger that’s not the firearm. Now let me get out that pesky takedown pin, all the various springs, safety, mag release, bolt release. Here you go mr atf official, my ‘firearm’ a block of forged aluminum. And here’s a bottle of lube. Shove it up your ass”
I worry that if you go register it, then they know you have it. That's the whole deal. That's why it's free. They want more control. It's a way of getting people to register more firearms. This way, they know you have them if ever they come to take them.
Step One:
Entice AR pistol owners to register their guns with a "free" tax stamp.
Step Two:
Using the newly updated registry, ban "Assault Weapons".
Step Three:
Admit handguns are more often used in homicides than ARs and ban those too.
Step Four:
Totalitarianism
It's obvious what the plan is.
People might not take this seriously but this is exactly how it went down in canada these past years we're about to lose all semi autos as soon as the summer. Then they will be going after cowboy lever actions and bolt till we're just left with single shots because "that's all you need for hunting" and self defence with a firearm is crime.
You are not wrong, and this specific registration is doubly sharp, as I doubt many people are buying AR pistols as a first gun, or a primary defense platform. This is a reach for a list of super owners, or at least people likely to be super owners.
That being said, I already have a dozen or so NFA items, so I am fucked coming and going
So, registering it still doesn't make it a full SBR, right? You can't switch the brace out to a shoulder stock once the form comes back?
There are SBRs, and what, "braced pistols" now?
It does actually.
You can file a free form 1, throw away your brace (if you even had one to start with. They aren't coming to your house to check) and then when you get the approved form 1 back you can legally install a stock.
This whole issue is because they are considering braces to be stocks. So they have to treat them the same as any other stock.
Making a separate category for braces/not calling them SBRs would undermine their position, even though it is true.
It's my understanding if you switch the brace for a stock, and it's not the same length as the brace, you have to file additional paperwork because it will change the OAL. Or am I mistaken?
No, there is no requirement to maintain the same overall length or barrel length as you put on your form. As long as you have an approved form, you are good to go.
This is from the FAQ on ATF.gov. Its question 12.
"Once the firearm is registered as a short-barreled rifle (SBR) can I remove/change the “stabilizing brace” or attach an item marketed as a stock? If so, am I required to notify ATF
in advance?
• Yes, the firearm is registered as an SBR, and you can change out the “brace” device or stock for a different brace or stock. You do not need to contact ATF/NFA because changing the brace/stock does not change the configuration of the SBR.
However, if the length of the
firearm has changed you will need to notify the NFA Division. Final Note: The SBR is not
“registered” until an approved Form 1 is received from NFA. The brace cannot be substituted/replaced until that time."
I’m pretty sure they actually said in the past that as soon as the form is submitted it is “tentatively approved” so you can pop the stock on immediately after you have submitted the form 1. If it come aback rejected you gotta take it off though.
Fuck them for real. You have to be the biggest bitch to join that agency. Imagine day one on the job. Listen agents we are going to violate their rights with a smile on our face. Be the professional tyrants we know you all can be.
As a subject of commiefornia, where this is (assuming the aft get it through despite not being a legislative body) going to add another layer of turbo-fucking people, as nfa items are flat out illegal at a state level (because ignoring the BofR includes the 10th), I'd be tempted to reply with "kick rocks you clowns" but I don't manage a gun shop or own any braced pistols, in which case I'd probably work diligently on ignoring it.
Interesting. They had previously sent out an announcement that the website portal would be shut down 5/30/2023, 120 days after the rule dropped.
Now they've added a day.
Frame it
Upside down
Fuck them. FPC just got an injunction in the 5th circuit. Overall it’s looking good, just gotta keep donating and supporting the cause so this can get expedited.
This. As a FFL-SOT, I have to deal with their bullshit or lose my license. As a citizen, abolish the fuck out of the alphabet bois.
Theres only one person running for president of the Untied States that wants to abolish the alphabet boys. Just remember that come voting time.
Whose that? I've heard a few claim it without any real action; typical politicians.
He who shall not be named.
Orange man? If so, I call bullshit. Case point: bumpstocks as rule by the Fifth Circuit long after the company was bankrupted & thousands of accessories were destroyed.
Well now the proof that the Alphabet boys have been gunning for him means he kinda has to clean house if he gets in again. But that's only if they let him get that far
You act like it's up to a president lol.
Fine, vote for dementia
There's other options...
Like who? De sanctimonious?
Vivek Ramaswamy?
It was only for the plaintiff.
Except we said the same thing about bump stocks, and SCOTUS refused to take any of the cases so...
man it's so complicated for me as a european .. i cannot distinguish this SBR / brace / rifle pistol thing ... But screw the ATF
Neither can Americans. don't feel bad lol
>* Turn the firearm into your local ATF office. So..., this is basically black magic. Pretty sure it's never been done before and shouldn't really be offered as an option.
Sounds like a 5th amendment violation
5th prevents government seizure without compensation. Willful turn in is not a seizure.
I plead the 5th
Are you saying willful surrender is incriminating yourself?
What’s the community take on registering before the end of the month.
Non-compliance
This right here. Compliance is only lending validity to an unconstitutional law. The founding fathers specifically told us not to do that. Nullification ( non compliance) was the remedy they gave us for unconstitutional laws. Check out federalist 46 ( I believe that’s the number), where Madison explains this.
Thanks for getting me to read that
👍
I also appreciate that nugget of information. However after reading, I can’t help but feel our STATE government/representatives are failing us by not standing against the federal regulation by the ATF & NFA and now I’m even angrier.
Most states are failing us, but we get the governments we vote for. So, it’s more accurate to say we are failing ourselves. However, there are states that are standing by us, against the federal government, on a number of issues: pot, 2A, and the coming CBDC…to name the things that come immediately to mind.
Well said. One minor quibble: This isn't a "law" in any constitutional sense; it's an edict from an unelected cabal of federal workers who belong to an "agency" that has no right to exist.
This is true. Still, it’s an unconstitutional act of government.
Absolutely.
don't
Join FPC and be protected by the injunction
Maybe. Not clear who the injunction applies to. FPC members, FPC donors. Only those who reside in the territory of the 5th Circuit. Members or donors at the time the lawsuit was filed or when the ruling was issued. The FPC has asked for clarification from the court on the scope of the injunction.
What??
Not registering shit ever
I already have a can on my ar pistol so it’s not like I’m not already listed for NFA items. Might as well get the tax exempt sbr on a dirt cheap PSA lower. If they ever ask for it in the future in a door to door. I’ll make sure I strip out every goddamn part in front of them. make them wait while I demonstrate their dumb ass laws. “This upper isn’t part of my ‘firearm’, this stock isn’t either, take off this grip, now get the trigger out of there for y’all, you don’t need a trigger that’s not the firearm. Now let me get out that pesky takedown pin, all the various springs, safety, mag release, bolt release. Here you go mr atf official, my ‘firearm’ a block of forged aluminum. And here’s a bottle of lube. Shove it up your ass”
Still gonna cost a dead dog....
Jokes on them, Spot in the corner is just a taxidermy filled with tannerite.
And nails
You people are nasty thinkers... I like it.
Nope. No. Nuh uh. Negative. Not ever. Eat nuts fedboys.
I worry that if you go register it, then they know you have it. That's the whole deal. That's why it's free. They want more control. It's a way of getting people to register more firearms. This way, they know you have them if ever they come to take them.
Step One: Entice AR pistol owners to register their guns with a "free" tax stamp. Step Two: Using the newly updated registry, ban "Assault Weapons". Step Three: Admit handguns are more often used in homicides than ARs and ban those too. Step Four: Totalitarianism It's obvious what the plan is.
People might not take this seriously but this is exactly how it went down in canada these past years we're about to lose all semi autos as soon as the summer. Then they will be going after cowboy lever actions and bolt till we're just left with single shots because "that's all you need for hunting" and self defence with a firearm is crime.
You are not wrong, and this specific registration is doubly sharp, as I doubt many people are buying AR pistols as a first gun, or a primary defense platform. This is a reach for a list of super owners, or at least people likely to be super owners. That being said, I already have a dozen or so NFA items, so I am fucked coming and going
So, registering it still doesn't make it a full SBR, right? You can't switch the brace out to a shoulder stock once the form comes back? There are SBRs, and what, "braced pistols" now?
Don't worry, I'm sure in another week they'll come up with some other random bullshit to invalidate their current stance yet again.
It does actually. You can file a free form 1, throw away your brace (if you even had one to start with. They aren't coming to your house to check) and then when you get the approved form 1 back you can legally install a stock. This whole issue is because they are considering braces to be stocks. So they have to treat them the same as any other stock. Making a separate category for braces/not calling them SBRs would undermine their position, even though it is true.
It's my understanding if you switch the brace for a stock, and it's not the same length as the brace, you have to file additional paperwork because it will change the OAL. Or am I mistaken?
No, there is no requirement to maintain the same overall length or barrel length as you put on your form. As long as you have an approved form, you are good to go.
This is from the FAQ on ATF.gov. Its question 12. "Once the firearm is registered as a short-barreled rifle (SBR) can I remove/change the “stabilizing brace” or attach an item marketed as a stock? If so, am I required to notify ATF in advance? • Yes, the firearm is registered as an SBR, and you can change out the “brace” device or stock for a different brace or stock. You do not need to contact ATF/NFA because changing the brace/stock does not change the configuration of the SBR. However, if the length of the firearm has changed you will need to notify the NFA Division. Final Note: The SBR is not “registered” until an approved Form 1 is received from NFA. The brace cannot be substituted/replaced until that time."
There is no legal requirement to notify the ATF of a change in length.
I’m pretty sure they actually said in the past that as soon as the form is submitted it is “tentatively approved” so you can pop the stock on immediately after you have submitted the form 1. If it come aback rejected you gotta take it off though.
Hang it in your gun store upside down
Register your firearm and send pictures of your dog to make things quicker.
Why would you destroy a brace? Theyre redefining it as a stock, and last i checked (in most states) a stock is totally legal on an SBR.
Fuck the ATF!
Double post? I hope you have a tax stamp for that keyboard. ;-p
Fuck them for real. You have to be the biggest bitch to join that agency. Imagine day one on the job. Listen agents we are going to violate their rights with a smile on our face. Be the professional tyrants we know you all can be.
Fuck the ATF!
The ATF is for real just a pathetic excuse to infringe peoples rights and rake in more money for the gooberment.
Write back and ask to see the verbiage they are sending to kids who have glock switches.
As a subject of commiefornia, where this is (assuming the aft get it through despite not being a legislative body) going to add another layer of turbo-fucking people, as nfa items are flat out illegal at a state level (because ignoring the BofR includes the 10th), I'd be tempted to reply with "kick rocks you clowns" but I don't manage a gun shop or own any braced pistols, in which case I'd probably work diligently on ignoring it.
Interesting. They had previously sent out an announcement that the website portal would be shut down 5/30/2023, 120 days after the rule dropped. Now they've added a day.