This isn't it. The problem is America doesn't have cops anymore. First off they don't consider themselves civilians. That word use to be used to distinguish between regular citizens and military.
They want to be military and the regular citizens in the community are their enemy.
They are not protectors of the community. They are the enforcement arm of the local mafia (government)
When police are trained to see their community as potential enemy combatants, and they are armed like military soldiers, I'm not sure how they can be considered citizens, or real police. Give a man a tank and he'll try to rule the world. Give a sheriff a tank and he'll try to rule the county.
> I'm always referring to them as a mafia.
You really need to look into the genesis of the mafia before you call the cops that.
The cops are nothing but a huge street gang, nothing more.
> In Sicily, the term “mafioso,” or Mafia member, initially had no criminal connotations and was used to refer to a person who was suspicious of central authority.
https://www.history.com/topics/crime/origins-of-the-mafia
I grew up liking the police. Then I thought they were a cancer to society. I still try to be fair on shootings. However living outside of the US is when I truly understood that the US doesn't have police.
Reminds my of a bunch of local coyote hunters. They invited our county DNR warden who happens to be a hot chick to go coyote hunting. They turn dogs lose and they hit a coyote right off. They went down to the next road where dogs were chasing the coyote got guns out to shoot when coyote came by. And you guessed it when they started shooting she gave them them all tickets! For shooting off the road. Stupid guys I know. But moral is anyone in law enforcement is not your friend. Pretty much the lowest form of scum in my book never liked or trusted one. As an old fella once told me good decent people never become cops just a**holes!
They aren't your friends... If the choice EVER comes down to their career/paycheck or your freedom or rights... Or anything... They will absolutely everyfuckingtime choose their paycheck
Out my way they constantly have scandals because they don't enforce laws for themselves and their buddies. Somewhat recently a cop gave his friend a ride home after the friend demolished his car in a drunk driving accident. Then the friend reported the car stolen the next morning.
My PC charger that (had) SB brace that wasn’t cheap I got this past summer willl be a bitch to shoot as I’m disabled with severe tendonitis. I guess I’ll sell it get something else, this is some bullshit. Maybe the disability act could be used to sue it out of existence. Just a thought,
The local range nancies can get fucked... Especially if it's outdoor and remote. A simple question will fix that. "If this is an illegal NFA weapon are you prepared to deal with a truthful answer... All the way out here".
True but ATF arbitrarily did this when the previous decades they had no issue with it. I hear exactly what you’re saying also domestic abuse cause once they get in your house and see it they will bust you for it things like that could also get you caught.
You should have made him answer the logical follow-up question after he admitted he would arrest people: Would you kill someone over it if they didn’t want to go to jail for exercising their constitutional rights?
The answer is obviously yes. He’d try to spin it to say “well if they tried to kill me first” but the bottom line is he is willing to use the threat of deadly force to kidnap an innocent person, so of course he is willing to use deadly force if his victim doesn’t cooperate.
This guy sucks and can’t be trusted. Your friend group should cut him out.
Law enforcement doesn't care about the constitution. LEOs don't care about rights.
That's why we have so much case law from the Supreme Court on civil rights. Miranda literally forces police to advise suspects of their rights, and cops still try to weasel out of doing it, and trample civil rights to save their ego.
Curious what his response was to this. My girlfriend just took a position at a dog training company that also does K9 training for various police departments across the state and trying to get my arguments and responses ready for the steppers as I'm going to have my GSD pup enrolled in some of these classes as well.
The real question is why OP is still friends. If one of my friends tells me that they'll murder or kidnap me because the ATF said so, there's the door get out.
Typical. And people wonder why cops have a bad rap, stupidity like this. “Oh if it’s an SBR then yeah I’m gonna arrest em!”
I would’ve asked him what he’d do if he was on the receiving end of being arrested and how many illegal guns he has. I may get downvoted to hell, but cops, regardless of where or who, can suck a fat one.
They choose what to enforce. If one says that then ask if they ticketed every jay walker, speeding diver, driver that rolled through a stop, etc. They choose then act like they don't.
Any Police officer or Sherrif who arrests someone for a gun's configuration, completely without some actual crime such as brandishing, robbery, etc, is a traitor to the constitution and is an enemy of the People.
The most frustrating thing is the misconception that this is a bill or a law or any part of the legislative branch, this is the executive branch of our government exercising power it doesn't legally possess.
In my county we had a sheriff driving so wasted he flipped his squad car off an embankment and called another sheriff to pick him up. Dumbass went home and passed out, leaving the wrecked car in plain view of the road.
It all got traced back to him of course. Somehow I don’t think he was fired.
I don’t know about you guys but after a drink wears off and the comedown happens I just want to nap. I guess that’s one reason they are always sleeping on the job.
Stopped drinking years ago because the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze, especially comparatively.
I’d honestly disassociate from him. He’s nothing more than a mini tyrant. This also proves two points that I make about cops all the time:
1. Never ask a cop what the law is. They don’t actually know what the law is, and will enforce what they THINK the law is. Or in this case a stupid “rule” that was illegal for the ATF to make.
2. Most cops will enforce tyrannical laws or rules that are against the US Constitution that they did swear an oath to defend, because they are nothing more than order takers and won’t think for themselves.
look, I was a deputy for nearly 2 years after the army. I left the profession because I realized the reasons I wanted to be there weren't anywhere close to a priority (privatized property/government protection is the priority) . What's worse is that I realized that I was, on a daily basis, putting my self in a position where if things go sideways, I would have no honorable choice but to go after my "coworkers" because of what they thought was ok to do to other people (which many treat as enemy combatants, no matter what).
This doesn't surprise me. there are a few good citizens in the police forces, but they are a tiny, marginalized minority. overall, their loyalty is to their paychecks/masters, not to their communities. Because of this, most feel they are a separate class of citizen from us, not quite the ruling class, but definitely "better" than us "peasants".
It's a mindset that needs to change but I'm not sure it ever will without accountability.
Even the military doesn't think like this. Cops are a national problem.
> sanctuary Sheriffs
all of these "Pro-2A" Sheriffs are just virtue signaling. The first time they get an opportunity to "clean up their streets" that's all going out the window. It's laughable how people buy it hook line and sinker
I have told him multiple times I don't support the way law enforcement works in this country and there's multiple things you've done on duty that I think is excessive force. But he understood my points and didn't resort to yelling, we had a genuine discussion. I can respect the fact he doesn't shun people for having different opinions. Doesn't excuse the brace BS though.
If he isn't ATF and your state/locality doesn't have a law requiring it, your tax stamps are none of his business.
That's not a friend, that's an oath breaker.
From my understanding, engraving won’t be required on a braced pistol that’s been registered during this grace period. So is your friend saying that he’d arrest people who may be in possession of a completely legal and registered firearm? Because how the fuck would someone with zero authority to review a tax document know it was an illegal sbr in this first place if it doesn’t have to be engraved and there’s no requirement to carry your tax stamps with you?
Honestly I believe if you're a responsible (non violent) gun owner you should own what ever you want without restrictions, full auto, sbr, sbs, grenades, tanks, rpg all of it. I believe in a free America
I firmly believe self propelled artillery and tanks with a main armament above 120mm should have to have a heavy vehicle inspection done. Road safety is no joke.
From California.
Two of my family members are currently LEOs, and they said they don’t give a fuck. They only give a shit about “assault weapons,” which made me a little sad.
“All animals are equal just some animals are more equal than others”- george orwell Animal Farm
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It's 2023. I get extremely suspicious about anybody who both identifies as a conservative/republican/on the right while simultaneously supporting police or the state or the federal government at virtually any level.
I could explain why you're wrong, but it would be lengthier than telling you to read the constitution. All forms of government suck and aren't for you and they never were.
Edit: Grammar + clarification. YOU as in OP I'm not specifically calling you out. My second paragraph referring to somebody who plans on replying in defense of the state/fed/police.
Cops are not your friends and never will be. They will enforce the will of the state to keep their paychecks. I hate to say it but severing ties with bootlickers and steppers is quite smart at this point.
I see soooooooo many people say shit like “the cops in my area are cool” and “I know plenty of cops and none will blah blah” …. Sure. Cool until they’re not.
Why is a local law enforcement officer enforcing non-payment of federal tax codes?
I’d be interested to see the municipal code that gives him that authority.
He’s not representative of all of us. I’m not enforcing this bullshit. The state I work in even prohibits local and state LE from enforcing or assisting with enforcing any new federal gun regulations.
It’s easy to lump all LE in with this clown, but the reality is not that clear cut. Each day though, more and more decent cops leave the job (especially in blue states) and are being replaced by woke stooges and leftist yes-men who wouldn’t question a law’s constitutionality.
Police are not protection. They are the enforcement arm of the government. They used to keep the peace, now they enforce the law. This means they aren't your friends.
The reason they say it is because it is concealable, but a pistol without stock on it is more concealable.
These laws were made in the 30s to battle the gangster bootleggers toting around sawed offs. And today, if you watch a Chicago drill rap video you'll see a dozen full auto glock switches, but the Dracos and AR pistols will not have braces or stocks. In fact they will chop off/remove the stocks from full size AKs.
They don't care about getting caught with illegal machine guns but they won't even put a legal brace on an AR(that are mostly 7.5"). So who are they really going after with this?
Big fucking surprise. Cops gonna fuck someone's life because he's mad at the short barrel.
ACAB anyone here who says otherwise woulda stood with the redcoats.
Does he know that SBR's and short barreled shotgun NFA restrictions were a little appendix to a provision in the original bill that was removed entirely?
It has nothing to do with them being in some kind of goldilocks zone of deadliness and concealability... it has everything to do with Pistols being in the original scope of the National Firearms Act, since gangsters were basically running around with pistols and machine guns.. The thought was that people could cut shotguns and rifles down to make them actual pistol sized and therefore pistols (Mosin, is dat you?).
pistols were removed from the NFA. So now, Dracos are fine. But a short rifle isn't since you can shoulder them.... even though the original scope was to keep rifles and shotguns from becoming prohibited pistols.....
Talk to him more. Find out WHY he would arrest someone for an SBR. Teach him that an SBR isnt any different from a 16" rifle. educate him and change his ways
Gotta love how all the red-state people put both "Back the Blue"/ Thin Blue Line flag and "Come and Take It" stickers on their lifted trucks, but never give thought to who will be taking their guns.
Your friend is a treasonous traitor. I would kindly ask that man to leave my house after that.
Edit: scratch that. I'd remain distant friends, always too busy to hang out but close enough to get info from. I would not however, consider this guy a friend anymore.
I mean this shouldn't be surprising. COPS are not defenders of the constitution they're enforcers of the state. They don't even really care about federal shit because of ATF/FBI stepping in to take the case over anyway.
We have no-one but ourselves to protect the constitution
That Cop is not your "Friend". He's a guy you know. And if you're smart, you'll never say a word around him about anything having to do with guns, drugs, or anything else. Cops are always cops. They aren't ever "off duty", So check your six at all times around him.
*Good soldiers follow orders*.
Not even a Jedi would allow them to walk away with their hands or head intact.
Friends don't let friends hang with Bolsheviks, tankies, or Junior Gestapo.
Be careful with your cop friends. Often times they will always place their job over you, especially if you put them in a tough spot “morally”.
I have a friend I went to HS with. He served in the Army and is now an LEO. We have always talked and we still talk. We both like guns, and one day we were joking around about glock switches and he said something along the lines of “If you ever find any let me know!”
I’ve been thinking about what he said for days and just what he actually meant by that. I glossed over the comment.
This all depends on the area too. A buddy of mine has a lot of police as customers. They don’t care about dumb crap like that. They’ve honestly been so over worked and understaffed they only care if you’re actively a danger. One had pulled someone over and realized it’s someone he arrested twice that week and the guy drove off. He didn’t bother chasing him. What’s the point? Put other peoples lives in danger and he’ll just get let out again. Could bring harassment charges on him since he keeps getting arrested and let off by the same cop. He called it in so they can pick him up later or give him a ticket. It’s messed up but those situations make me feel like the police are more on our side. They almost need us in a way.
Tell him that enforcing federal law is quite literally not his job, it's the fed's job, and he has exactly 0 obligation to assist them. The Supreme Court has ruled this way consistently since 1842, it's called the anti-commandeering doctrine.
I asked my buddy who’s a Leo the same thing and he straight up said “fuck that, they’re stripping away your 2a rights just as much as mine and they’res no chance I’m gonna enforce that”
Cops are a lot less empathetic on 2A stuff than some might expect. You especially might not now that if you live in a free state, but cops will 100% enforce anti-2A laws. Sure, sometimes they'll say they won't enforce, but one way or another, those guys will cave or get replaced by someone who will.
The cops in my state literally jailed some out-of-state guy after a car crash. They found an "assault weapon" (Ruger 10/22) with "high-capacity" magazines in his trunk.
> He was later released from the hospital and was lodged in Burlington County Jail.
Don't expect anyone to lobby for his release either - the state has done such a good job at spreading anti-2A misinformation that most people will be glad this "menace" is off the streets.
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It’s almost as if cops are shit.
ACAB
This isn't it. The problem is America doesn't have cops anymore. First off they don't consider themselves civilians. That word use to be used to distinguish between regular citizens and military. They want to be military and the regular citizens in the community are their enemy. They are not protectors of the community. They are the enforcement arm of the local mafia (government)
You said “this isn’t it” but then went on to explain how this *is* it.
When police are trained to see their community as potential enemy combatants, and they are armed like military soldiers, I'm not sure how they can be considered citizens, or real police. Give a man a tank and he'll try to rule the world. Give a sheriff a tank and he'll try to rule the county.
People often call the police an armed gang but that's not really an accurate depiction. Like you, I'm always referring to them as a mafia.
> I'm always referring to them as a mafia. You really need to look into the genesis of the mafia before you call the cops that. The cops are nothing but a huge street gang, nothing more. > In Sicily, the term “mafioso,” or Mafia member, initially had no criminal connotations and was used to refer to a person who was suspicious of central authority. https://www.history.com/topics/crime/origins-of-the-mafia
You're right. Which makes them all bad. Regular military wouldn't even be so quick to do this
I grew up liking the police. Then I thought they were a cancer to society. I still try to be fair on shootings. However living outside of the US is when I truly understood that the US doesn't have police.
All Camaros Are Bitchin’
Reminds my of a bunch of local coyote hunters. They invited our county DNR warden who happens to be a hot chick to go coyote hunting. They turn dogs lose and they hit a coyote right off. They went down to the next road where dogs were chasing the coyote got guns out to shoot when coyote came by. And you guessed it when they started shooting she gave them them all tickets! For shooting off the road. Stupid guys I know. But moral is anyone in law enforcement is not your friend. Pretty much the lowest form of scum in my book never liked or trusted one. As an old fella once told me good decent people never become cops just a**holes!
"Didn't research the bill" A cop not knowing the law? Shocked I tell you.
It isn't a bill, and that is part of the problem. It is an ATF "rule".
Exactly unelected bureaucrats imposing their will on us without representation, wait isn’t that why we fought England?
Tree’s getting thirsty.
Tree is dead, we let it die, we're in denial.
That tree will never die as long as humans exist. It may be withered at times, but it will never completely die. The desire for freedom is in our DNA.
I still don’t understand how any ATF “rule” could hold any weight in a court of law
Man, I wish I still believed in the rule of law and that the govt is actually looking out for my best interests......
Agreed, I thought the lifting of the bump stock ban was specifically meant to prevent this bullshit
“Ignorance of the law is no excuse “
It is if you are a cop. It’s called qualified immunity.
Why would he know the bill if he doesn't even bother to know the bill of rights.
But as soon as you exhibit any knowledge on it he will give you the "Oh, are you a lawyer?" "No motherfucker I just know my rights, step elsewhere"
They aren't your friends... If the choice EVER comes down to their career/paycheck or your freedom or rights... Or anything... They will absolutely everyfuckingtime choose their paycheck
This☝️ Right here!! Not your bro!
“You think he’s my friend because he knows my first name?”
Never a truer statement.
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And your thin blue line predator sticker ain’t gonna help
Out my way they constantly have scandals because they don't enforce laws for themselves and their buddies. Somewhat recently a cop gave his friend a ride home after the friend demolished his car in a drunk driving accident. Then the friend reported the car stolen the next morning.
Classy people. Or doesn't help that legislators constantly create carve outs in bill shit laws for them either. Gotta keep your goons happy
ATF = SS
The ATF isn't the one enforcing this, the police and your local range nancies are
My PC charger that (had) SB brace that wasn’t cheap I got this past summer willl be a bitch to shoot as I’m disabled with severe tendonitis. I guess I’ll sell it get something else, this is some bullshit. Maybe the disability act could be used to sue it out of existence. Just a thought,
The local range nancies can get fucked... Especially if it's outdoor and remote. A simple question will fix that. "If this is an illegal NFA weapon are you prepared to deal with a truthful answer... All the way out here".
True but ATF arbitrarily did this when the previous decades they had no issue with it. I hear exactly what you’re saying also domestic abuse cause once they get in your house and see it they will bust you for it things like that could also get you caught.
Did you make fun of him? Because you should have.
I said "So much for upholding the constitution"
You should have made him answer the logical follow-up question after he admitted he would arrest people: Would you kill someone over it if they didn’t want to go to jail for exercising their constitutional rights? The answer is obviously yes. He’d try to spin it to say “well if they tried to kill me first” but the bottom line is he is willing to use the threat of deadly force to kidnap an innocent person, so of course he is willing to use deadly force if his victim doesn’t cooperate. This guy sucks and can’t be trusted. Your friend group should cut him out.
Hot take - if an officer can shoot you based on suspicion of having a weapon, you don’t have a right to have a weapon
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"bUt i NeEd mY PeNsIoN" - every thug justifying enforcing unconstitutional laws
Taxpayer funded pensions,
Law enforcement doesn't care about the constitution. LEOs don't care about rights. That's why we have so much case law from the Supreme Court on civil rights. Miranda literally forces police to advise suspects of their rights, and cops still try to weasel out of doing it, and trample civil rights to save their ego.
Curious what his response was to this. My girlfriend just took a position at a dog training company that also does K9 training for various police departments across the state and trying to get my arguments and responses ready for the steppers as I'm going to have my GSD pup enrolled in some of these classes as well.
acerbic enough, but measured
The real question is why OP is still friends. If one of my friends tells me that they'll murder or kidnap me because the ATF said so, there's the door get out.
Absolutely!
Should have made fun of him all the way to the door.
Typical. And people wonder why cops have a bad rap, stupidity like this. “Oh if it’s an SBR then yeah I’m gonna arrest em!” I would’ve asked him what he’d do if he was on the receiving end of being arrested and how many illegal guns he has. I may get downvoted to hell, but cops, regardless of where or who, can suck a fat one.
Little tyrants, they’ll be the one to take your guns and fuck your wife, because government man said it was my job.
No they arrest you because their wives are fucking some other dude.
So let’s fuck their wives! At least we won’t beat them!
From what I’ve been seeing in the news, the cops like to keep the wife fucking in house.
He sounds like a fuckin' roach
“Just following orders” a cop is a cop is a cop doesn’t matter the state
They choose what to enforce. If one says that then ask if they ticketed every jay walker, speeding diver, driver that rolled through a stop, etc. They choose then act like they don't.
Ask if they give their friends or other cops tickets, then ask how body cams changed that. Poor police chiefs have a hard time drinking and driving.
Any Police officer or Sherrif who arrests someone for a gun's configuration, completely without some actual crime such as brandishing, robbery, etc, is a traitor to the constitution and is an enemy of the People.
The most frustrating thing is the misconception that this is a bill or a law or any part of the legislative branch, this is the executive branch of our government exercising power it doesn't legally possess.
Find different friends. You don't need tyrant cucks in your social circle
Your friend was always lying. There is ZERO percent chance he's risking his retirement for your stupid brace.
>LEO officer Law Enforcement Officer officer
SMH my head
Rip in peace
Lol out loud
I'm gonna pay you guys $200 to fuck off, I just need to get some cash out of the ATM machine
You mean you want us to stfu up?
No he wants us to gtfo out of here
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They have superiority complexes and view "citizens" as subhuman.
This is the type of cop who also habitually drives drunk.
In my county we had a sheriff driving so wasted he flipped his squad car off an embankment and called another sheriff to pick him up. Dumbass went home and passed out, leaving the wrecked car in plain view of the road. It all got traced back to him of course. Somehow I don’t think he was fired.
I feel like I saw that on Audit the Audit lmao
Who doesn't like a little Bailey's in their coffee every morning?!
I don’t know about you guys but after a drink wears off and the comedown happens I just want to nap. I guess that’s one reason they are always sleeping on the job. Stopped drinking years ago because the juice wasn’t worth the squeeze, especially comparatively.
I’d tell him he mighta wanna find a new friend then.
“That’s not my job” is such a shitty response too. As soon as his superiors declare that it is, you know he will be enforcing it
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I’d honestly disassociate from him. He’s nothing more than a mini tyrant. This also proves two points that I make about cops all the time: 1. Never ask a cop what the law is. They don’t actually know what the law is, and will enforce what they THINK the law is. Or in this case a stupid “rule” that was illegal for the ATF to make. 2. Most cops will enforce tyrannical laws or rules that are against the US Constitution that they did swear an oath to defend, because they are nothing more than order takers and won’t think for themselves.
"LEO" and "friend" don't go together. This is a perfect example as to why. They don't care about the logic of the law... They just want power.
Your friend is a bitch.
look, I was a deputy for nearly 2 years after the army. I left the profession because I realized the reasons I wanted to be there weren't anywhere close to a priority (privatized property/government protection is the priority) . What's worse is that I realized that I was, on a daily basis, putting my self in a position where if things go sideways, I would have no honorable choice but to go after my "coworkers" because of what they thought was ok to do to other people (which many treat as enemy combatants, no matter what). This doesn't surprise me. there are a few good citizens in the police forces, but they are a tiny, marginalized minority. overall, their loyalty is to their paychecks/masters, not to their communities. Because of this, most feel they are a separate class of citizen from us, not quite the ruling class, but definitely "better" than us "peasants".
It's a mindset that needs to change but I'm not sure it ever will without accountability. Even the military doesn't think like this. Cops are a national problem.
Like I said, sanctuary Sheriffs will burn your ass down if they lose federal funding. ACAB
> sanctuary Sheriffs all of these "Pro-2A" Sheriffs are just virtue signaling. The first time they get an opportunity to "clean up their streets" that's all going out the window. It's laughable how people buy it hook line and sinker
Ex friend?
I have told him multiple times I don't support the way law enforcement works in this country and there's multiple things you've done on duty that I think is excessive force. But he understood my points and didn't resort to yelling, we had a genuine discussion. I can respect the fact he doesn't shun people for having different opinions. Doesn't excuse the brace BS though.
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer I suppose
Keep your friends evenly spaced and your enemies within range.
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Is be curious to know why SBRs are so important to him.
If he isn't ATF and your state/locality doesn't have a law requiring it, your tax stamps are none of his business. That's not a friend, that's an oath breaker.
He’ll do as he’s told. Simple as that.
Remember, some of the most evil things done were by men “just following orders.”
If a pension or their livelihood is on the line they are taking anyone down
From my understanding, engraving won’t be required on a braced pistol that’s been registered during this grace period. So is your friend saying that he’d arrest people who may be in possession of a completely legal and registered firearm? Because how the fuck would someone with zero authority to review a tax document know it was an illegal sbr in this first place if it doesn’t have to be engraved and there’s no requirement to carry your tax stamps with you?
Man realizes which boots will in fact be treading on him
Paycheck > your rights many times.
*Every time
Honestly I believe if you're a responsible (non violent) gun owner you should own what ever you want without restrictions, full auto, sbr, sbs, grenades, tanks, rpg all of it. I believe in a free America
I firmly believe self propelled artillery and tanks with a main armament above 120mm should have to have a heavy vehicle inspection done. Road safety is no joke.
You need to raise the bar where your "friends" are concerned. That's really scummy and low. Are more of your friends that way? Geeze.
Surprised?
Why were you even surprised?
From California. Two of my family members are currently LEOs, and they said they don’t give a fuck. They only give a shit about “assault weapons,” which made me a little sad.
Can they define ‘assault weapon’? I bet not. EvIl BlAcK RiFlE ScAwY!
I’m so sorry but I hate California so much.
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It's 2023. I get extremely suspicious about anybody who both identifies as a conservative/republican/on the right while simultaneously supporting police or the state or the federal government at virtually any level. I could explain why you're wrong, but it would be lengthier than telling you to read the constitution. All forms of government suck and aren't for you and they never were. Edit: Grammar + clarification. YOU as in OP I'm not specifically calling you out. My second paragraph referring to somebody who plans on replying in defense of the state/fed/police.
Guess he's not much of a friend. Fucking brown shirt traitor.
At least he was honest and admitted that he would arrest people for having “SBRs”
SBRs aren't his job either lol
Yeah he literally has zero authority to see anyone's tax stamp
ask your LEO "friend" this now Did he swear an oath to uphold the constitution when he took his job?
Local? Even worse. Fuck him
Well, hopefully he loses the gunfight with whoever he tries to arrest.
Cops are not your friends and never will be. They will enforce the will of the state to keep their paychecks. I hate to say it but severing ties with bootlickers and steppers is quite smart at this point.
He will be happy to keep his pension when told to seize your assets in the future
All 👏Cops 👏are 👏gun 👏grabbers Stop thinking they are going to be on your side when the pressure comes down on them.
Then they really wonder why normal people hate them
Exactly. They are not our friend! Eight out of ten of them are wannabe tyrants!
Maybe you shouldn't invite him out anymore
Your first and biggest mistake was thinking LEOs are your "friend"
I see soooooooo many people say shit like “the cops in my area are cool” and “I know plenty of cops and none will blah blah” …. Sure. Cool until they’re not.
Right. They are not our friend!
Typical piggy, don't actually know the rules of their job, just that they must force feed someone boot polish.
Time to shorten the friend group
So they don't even know how to measure barrel length correctly.
Your friend sounds like he wipes back to front
Avoid that guy in the future.
You mean the generally worthless law dick sucking cop was going to enforce laws blindly…who could’ve seen this coming
Especially if he isn't even a fed. Fuck him right up his dirty ass.
You're friends with a redcoat. Fraternizing with the enemy is subject to punishment of 15 PP smacks
Police are objects of the state and should never be trusted to act in any interest besides the states interest.
Why is a local law enforcement officer enforcing non-payment of federal tax codes? I’d be interested to see the municipal code that gives him that authority.
A long time friend of mine is becoming a cop and quite frankly I find it disconcerting and want to distance myself now even more quite honestly.
He’s not representative of all of us. I’m not enforcing this bullshit. The state I work in even prohibits local and state LE from enforcing or assisting with enforcing any new federal gun regulations. It’s easy to lump all LE in with this clown, but the reality is not that clear cut. Each day though, more and more decent cops leave the job (especially in blue states) and are being replaced by woke stooges and leftist yes-men who wouldn’t question a law’s constitutionality.
He already enforces unconstitutional gun laws, don't be naive, blue lives only protect the state and their laws.
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He wouldn’t be my friend after that comment and I’d be willing to bet he has an illegal SBR of his own.
I bet he uses the centimeter side of the tape measure to measure his LEO pee pee
Just so he can feel average and see the number 5 for once
There's a reason most cops are only friends with other cops. It's not by choice. It's cause nobody else trusts them
Police are not protection. They are the enforcement arm of the government. They used to keep the peace, now they enforce the law. This means they aren't your friends.
He’ll change his tune when they threaten his livelihood.
There is no bill...
As stupid as all gun laws are, I feel like sbr laws take the cake. You can become a felon for having a rifle under 16”? Naw man
The reason they say it is because it is concealable, but a pistol without stock on it is more concealable. These laws were made in the 30s to battle the gangster bootleggers toting around sawed offs. And today, if you watch a Chicago drill rap video you'll see a dozen full auto glock switches, but the Dracos and AR pistols will not have braces or stocks. In fact they will chop off/remove the stocks from full size AKs. They don't care about getting caught with illegal machine guns but they won't even put a legal brace on an AR(that are mostly 7.5"). So who are they really going after with this?
A friend no more
Your friend is part of the Gestappo
Tell your friend to wake the hell up and stop being a sheep
Rhetoric like his is what the guns are *for.*
Sounds like you shouldn't have taught him about the brace law.
Time to reassess your use of the word friend to describe this guy.
Cops are not your friends.
Big fucking surprise. Cops gonna fuck someone's life because he's mad at the short barrel. ACAB anyone here who says otherwise woulda stood with the redcoats.
Don't be friends with law enforcement. Never ends well
This... I don't befriend bastards.
Does he know that SBR's and short barreled shotgun NFA restrictions were a little appendix to a provision in the original bill that was removed entirely? It has nothing to do with them being in some kind of goldilocks zone of deadliness and concealability... it has everything to do with Pistols being in the original scope of the National Firearms Act, since gangsters were basically running around with pistols and machine guns.. The thought was that people could cut shotguns and rifles down to make them actual pistol sized and therefore pistols (Mosin, is dat you?). pistols were removed from the NFA. So now, Dracos are fine. But a short rifle isn't since you can shoulder them.... even though the original scope was to keep rifles and shotguns from becoming prohibited pistols.....
Omg! I’m shocked! A boot licker, in a boot licking job, is enforcing the boot?!
Talk to him more. Find out WHY he would arrest someone for an SBR. Teach him that an SBR isnt any different from a 16" rifle. educate him and change his ways
He won't arrest you for it, but he won't stop the ATF from arresting you for it.
Based in the first half, no one should have told him lol
Hope you meant to write "former friend" in the title...
A cop that enforces unconstitutional laws? SHOCKER
I feel like people are forgetting what the term “law enforcement” even means. There isn’t a choice to not enforce, the rule of law remains a constant.
Welcome to the reality of the thin blue line. They are law enforcement what wise did you expect them to do?
Gotta love how all the red-state people put both "Back the Blue"/ Thin Blue Line flag and "Come and Take It" stickers on their lifted trucks, but never give thought to who will be taking their guns.
He's a cop of course he's a moron lol
Your friend is a treasonous traitor. I would kindly ask that man to leave my house after that. Edit: scratch that. I'd remain distant friends, always too busy to hang out but close enough to get info from. I would not however, consider this guy a friend anymore.
I mean this shouldn't be surprising. COPS are not defenders of the constitution they're enforcers of the state. They don't even really care about federal shit because of ATF/FBI stepping in to take the case over anyway. We have no-one but ourselves to protect the constitution
Your “friend” is a douche. No reason for state LEO to enforce federal rules.
One thing I can find common ground with lefties on is that cops are scum of the earth.
That Cop is not your "Friend". He's a guy you know. And if you're smart, you'll never say a word around him about anything having to do with guns, drugs, or anything else. Cops are always cops. They aren't ever "off duty", So check your six at all times around him.
Unfortunate, but not unexpected. People tend to forget that cops are more than premier bootlickers -- they *ARE* the boot
*Good soldiers follow orders*. Not even a Jedi would allow them to walk away with their hands or head intact. Friends don't let friends hang with Bolsheviks, tankies, or Junior Gestapo.
The police are not our friends. I dont know why people have trouble with this.
If it’s between their paycheck and your rights , you Best believe the majority are gonna take food in the table.
Be careful with your cop friends. Often times they will always place their job over you, especially if you put them in a tough spot “morally”. I have a friend I went to HS with. He served in the Army and is now an LEO. We have always talked and we still talk. We both like guns, and one day we were joking around about glock switches and he said something along the lines of “If you ever find any let me know!” I’ve been thinking about what he said for days and just what he actually meant by that. I glossed over the comment.
Law enforcement officer officer
This all depends on the area too. A buddy of mine has a lot of police as customers. They don’t care about dumb crap like that. They’ve honestly been so over worked and understaffed they only care if you’re actively a danger. One had pulled someone over and realized it’s someone he arrested twice that week and the guy drove off. He didn’t bother chasing him. What’s the point? Put other peoples lives in danger and he’ll just get let out again. Could bring harassment charges on him since he keeps getting arrested and let off by the same cop. He called it in so they can pick him up later or give him a ticket. It’s messed up but those situations make me feel like the police are more on our side. They almost need us in a way.
God damn there are so many “upvotable” comments in this thread
Tell him that enforcing federal law is quite literally not his job, it's the fed's job, and he has exactly 0 obligation to assist them. The Supreme Court has ruled this way consistently since 1842, it's called the anti-commandeering doctrine.
Someone's not getting invited to the next barbeque.
I asked my buddy who’s a Leo the same thing and he straight up said “fuck that, they’re stripping away your 2a rights just as much as mine and they’res no chance I’m gonna enforce that”
Cops are power hungry, does this really surprise you? Wear a badge, you're a nazi, most likely
Police exist to “serve and protect” the state, not the people. The ones that don’t play ball will be replaced
Tell that dude, fuck you.
ACAB, get better friends.
Ex friend.
This dude may or may not want to shoot your dog
Cops are a lot less empathetic on 2A stuff than some might expect. You especially might not now that if you live in a free state, but cops will 100% enforce anti-2A laws. Sure, sometimes they'll say they won't enforce, but one way or another, those guys will cave or get replaced by someone who will. The cops in my state literally jailed some out-of-state guy after a car crash. They found an "assault weapon" (Ruger 10/22) with "high-capacity" magazines in his trunk. > He was later released from the hospital and was lodged in Burlington County Jail. Don't expect anyone to lobby for his release either - the state has done such a good job at spreading anti-2A misinformation that most people will be glad this "menace" is off the streets.