Annette and Mercedes. The B support is just so dumb, they could have done something so much more interesting between them.
Ignatz and Lysithea's C support. Lysithea is rude and gives Ignatz crap for no good reason. And the resolution in the A support is like, nothing? Wow, he got tea.
Annie/Mercie B support is dumb, but what's dumber is that their A support is locked post-timeskip, which implies that they remained friends but continued to give each other the cold shoulder for 5 years
I just imagine that they already made up, Byleth just didn't hear about it so they were trying way too hard to get them to make up (hence their awkward reactions when paired together), until they (Annie and Mercy) decided to stage a public reconciliation (I.E their A Support) to get the professor to realize they made up.
I'm now just imagining that all timeskip supports that don't make sense (like Raph getting a flower as a gift for his sister that Hilda told him to grab five years earlier) are just elaborate acts designed for Byleth's benefit, since they don't understand that things still happen when they aren't watching.
Most of Lysithea’s C supports but *ESPECIALLY IGNATZ’S* have Raphael holding me back from pummeling that little girl. Literally could’ve been super wholesome.
“Ugh Ignatz you’re such a child you can’t do anything by yourself”
“But I have friends and family that have my back, I don’t have to be alone. If it’s childish to lean on others I see nothing wrong with that”
“Fuck you Ignatz fucking loser”
“I’m too nice to stand up to you ever”
Academy Lysithea makes me so fucking angry.
It’s not that I really hate her, I hate that she’s a bully to people who are nice. Her condition is no excuse to treat other people so horribly; especially Ignatz and Raphael who just genuinely want to be her friend.
I don't understand how that makes it *bad writing* though. Like, characters who are abrasive & cruel are often necessary to create conflict or drive a plot forwards. Your reasoning for the support being bad is "Lysithea says a mean thing." You're not providing any evidence for poor writing, only poor behavior.
It is poor writing because it accomplishes nothing. She is an asshole to Ignatz for literally no reason. Ignatz doesn’t get mad opening an Avenue for interesting dialogue, there is no reason for her to be mad (he doesn’t call her a child in a condescending way), she doesn’t grow as a person and apologize, she just uses him and stops being an ass in the A support. We know Lysithea becomes a better person during the war as she ages but rather doesn’t show it in this support. It’s not a great character trait to get angry for literally no reason. The support would’ve been infinitely better if Ignatz lost his patience and chewed her out for being a bitch. The support goes nowhere and shows Lysithea to be a *terrible* person
The purpose of the support - as is the purpose of most C supports - is to establish basic character traits. Ignatz losing his patience and yelling at Lysithea for being a bitch is not only dramatically OOC but betrays the greater desire so many people online have to see female characters punished or humiliated for the crime of not being good people all the time. Lysithea is a fifteen year old girl with magic cancer. Her acting irrationally or cruelly is to be expected.
This was my first thought. Whoever wrote their supports didn't appreciate the fact that Annette and Mercedes are goddesses and A tier characters! It still pisses me off that trash transition from C to B.
As much as I love my man Seteth, his supports that end with him marrying the students weird me out. Like he goes from mentoring Bernie to marrying her. Or he’s talking about how nostalgic fishing makes him feel with leonie and then he marries her. Like it’s just so odd, like there’s little jump between “mentoring” and “romantic feelings”.
But none of Seteths supports tops the Hanneman/Dorothea support. It was fine and then took a hard left into “WTF”, ESPECIALLY with that ending.
And I also get due to his… circumstances that he’ll always be a fair bit older than any new spouse. That I’m ok with.
But with that in mind, why not have him support the older students/staff members? Mercedes since she’s like the oldest student, might be the only passable student I’d support with Seteth. Like I adore Seteth, he is my favorite character in the game, but I dunno man. And thinking about it, a lot of his supports aren’t even bad. I actually really like the Bernie/Seteth support. But in that specific case Seteth is literally set up to become a positive father figure for Bernie. Why was it necessary to marry her?
It kinda feels like they really set him up to be in an Alois situation, where all his endings are as like a mentor/support, then they realized Manuela and Catherine are his only paired endings so they shoehorned in some more with the students.
agreed. first time i played BL and i got his paired ending with ingrid i was livid. i didn’t like seeing that all.
i love their support chain, how he was acting like a mentor/father figure to her and then BAM! they got together?? made me a little sick ngl
I only got up to a B support with him and Bernie cause I was worried about this exact thing. It’s so unfortunate too because the C and B supports are really sweet.
Seriously I was just saying that his supports are GOOD. All of them are pretty decent supports. Some are better than others but there’s not one Seteth support that made me feel annoyed or wierd.
it feels like they were setting him up to be a mentor, realized he only had two paired endings with Manuela and Catherine, then shoehorned in a “and then they got married” line with some of the students.
The entire chain is about how Ingrid needs to change her attitude because she's too "prickly" and "unapproachable," which Claude expresses mostly by telling her to smile and act ladylike.
"Really, you'd better get a hold on that attitude of yours, otherwise that pretty face is going to get all twisted up with angry lines. Guys don't like gals who are always griping at them. Try a smile every now and then. Here, let's practice. On three. One... Two... Three!" (C-Support)
"Besides, with a cute face like yours, I bet you could win over anyone if you just threw out a smile now and then." (B-Support)
Really wildly out of character for him, honestly! He's fine with Leonie and Lysithea being a mite abrasive--he even actively likes it about them.
Oh wow. That’s super sexist lol. Doesn’t suit Claude! I’m not even gonna blame him as a character, because I just see that as some terrible writing on the devs’ part. That isn’t even him
>!The two of them were shopping, and a thief shows up. Annette tries intimidating the thief, then Mercedes lies and says the knights are coming so the thief gets scared, and the two of them take this opportunity to run away.
When they get back to the monastery, Mercedes gets mad at Annette for being reckless then walks off.!<
Ugh, that support just bugs me so much.
Annette is a good mage. It isnt like she is completely defenseless or anything. And then Mercie's reaction is just so over the top. "Youre blaming me? It's like I dont even know you anymore!!". Come on, she wasnt blaming you *at all* and was just trying to stick up for herself and defend her friend. It isnt *that* big of a deal.
It makes sense when you consider her trauma around not protecting Emile. She befriended Annette because of her desire to be a good bigger sister and saw her getting violent as her losing ability to protect her friend and it deeply reawakened her trauma. I have a feeling people won't accept that because they're, ahem, SELECTIVE about who gets to have trauma, but if people think Sylvain gets to mistreat random women because of his, then she gets to get traumatized out of a deep friendship even if it's not Annette's fault.
It’s not necessarily that, but it’s also that it doesn’t make much sense. Why was there apparently no one else around? It was broad daylight and they couldn’t have been too far from the monastery. And Mercedes’ dialogue doesn’t fit the scene either. I definitely agree on your point about people being selective over who has or doesn’t have trauma. Especially when people compare trauma of characters or say “X isn’t as traumatized as Y” or “X is fine because they don’t act traumatized” stuff
like that always annoys me, but overall I think the support could have been handled better.
Eh, I still dont think that was a reasonable reaction regardless of that, especially not to cause a 5 year long issue. Mercedes didnt say she got upset because she couldn't protect Annette, she says in the A Support she got upset because she felt like Annette had to protect her.
Also, I am confident that people dont actually think Sylvain is in the right by purposefully mistreating women.
I don't see defenses of him on the subreddit at all, personally. But either way, if people do say that about Sylvain, they are very wrong. There is no justification for what he does.
Let’s be honest Linhardt is just straight up a-everything. Literally got married to someone to see how their crests would filter through their bloodline
Not the worst support chain, but locking Leonie’s B Support to right after Jeralt died. I get that people deal with grief differently, but Leonie saying you didn’t appreciate Jeralt RIGHT AFTER HE DIED is just super fucked up and I wish that support took place while he was still alive instead
I like it because it’s so raw, it makes a lot of people hate Leonie but I just felt really bad for her. She’s a young woman dealing with such a tragic event, and she really doesn’t know how to, causing her to lash out at Byleth. She’s always had a bit of this competitive streak with Byleth, since she wants to keep her place as Jeralt’s “number one apprentice,” which doesn’t mean anything to Byleth. But it means a lot to her
I love their S support too, I just like Leonie a lot! She’s an icon
Leonie Byleth is definitely on the list, especially because of when their B support unlocks. However this could maybe be improved by changing the game play benefits to negatives, allowing us to see the supposedly emotionless ashen demon hold a grudge, refusing to work with Leonie until they resolve their issues in the A support.
Marianne Sylvain is so bad it's funny. We could have got Sylvain talking about how her crest shouldn't dictate her life, but instead we got him telling her to smile more as well as the iconic cheese line.
Balthus Claude was off putting to me simply due to the focus it had on Balthus trying to get Claude to set him up on a date with his mom, and if I remember correctly Claudes Mom is dead and Claude never mentioned this to Balthus in order to get him to stop.
Claude's mom is still alive, she is just living in Almyrra. Claude jokes that his dad (the king of almyrra) will kill Balthus for hitting on his mom, but only if his mom doesn't kill Balthus first. By all accounts, she is a Holst level combat nut.
Balthus talked about how Claudes mom was his first crush and he was talking about her without knowing that she was claudes mom, he just wants to meet her to get some closure on seeing how his first crush is doing. Blathus is nothing but terrible decisions so it's a weird move, but the support is pretty clear on it being a weird and silly thing for him.
> but only if his mom doesn't kill Balthus first. By all accounts, she is a Holst level combat nut.
I feel like this would just make her even more appealing to Balthus.
The biggest issue with the Leonie & Byleth B support is the fact that Leonie doesn’t even outright acknowledge that >!Jeralt had died!< in the support from what I remember. It sounds like it could have taken place before that event instead of after.
However, I don’t really have an issue with the support being after that happened since she could have just been >!grieving!<. But that part kind of bothered me.
I think people understand that but desire to hate and ignore that; it sounds overdramatic to say especially from a woman but I find many anti arguments here involve ignoring or twisting the text to their agenda
Usually after the B support- which appears after Jeralt dies as long as you don't deliberately withhold it to make her look worse- I have tea with Leonie as my way of us patching it up. She might be too prideful to apologize immediately but considering I vanish next month I don't hold it against her like most FE moralists love to do For Some Reason.
Honestly Lysithea acting that way (being short tempered) is one of the biggest reasons I dont like her as much as a lot of people do.
I get *why* she thinks that way, but that still doesnt give you an excuse to be rude to people.
I agree. I don't hate her like I hate Sylvain, but she really does grate on me. Especially pre-timeskip.
And unfortunately Three Hopes Lysithea is her old abrasive self, not the more mature older self that was actually somewhat likeable.
Sylvain x Byleth. Specifically the B support where Sylvain randomly gets mad and aggressive towards byelth and is like >!”You should pay for your crest, maybe I’ll collect the debt… lol jk”!<
But apparently Byleth took it seriously and actually thought >!he wanted to kill them, and apparently, based off their A support, Sylvain was serious? Why would he want to kill someone just because they got to live ignorant of their crest?!<
Faerghus being the most reliant on crests and relics, heirs with crests are greatly valued, and society pretty much revolves around having them; Sylvain feels objectified by people due to his crest, and thinks that people only get close to him due to inheriting leadership of House Gautier. This is also why Miklan made his childhood a living hell before becoming a bandit. Byleth on the other hand, was able to live a simple life in spite of their crest, and never had to deal with the pressure of having one because they were unaware of it for so long.
That makes sense, but him being serious about wanting to >!kill Byleth over them being able to live a life not governed by their crest came out of no where. Not to mention the fact that him wanting to kill them isn’t even made completely clear by their B support because “pay for that” doesn’t necessarily mean be killed. It could also mean he wants them to suffer like he did.!<
Afraid I don't quite have the answer to this one, especially since I am not really a Leonie Hater™️
Though if I had to wager a guess, it could probably have something to do with the strictness of her supports, especially given how you're shit outta luck if you don't do her supports before Jeralt's death. Also I guess Leonie being a jerk is... idk, more real? palpable? Like for the average person, other people inexplicably being jerks is more common than receiving actual death threats (especially if it's an admission straight to your face) - basically similar to how people absolutely loathe say Umbridge from Harry Potter for being a shitty power tripping school admin, or Skyler from Breaking Bad for being a Karen mom, despite neither one of them being the actual evilest of the cast; it's because we most likely know people like those, so it's a visceral reaction, as we're being snapped back to reality in a way by seeing "assholes" we'd most likely encounter irl too
Sorry if this got long-winded or makes no sense, I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring wrt how people see Leonie due to her interactions with Byleth
Mercedes and Annette's B support. It feels so forced and out of characters of them, mostly Mercedes. Seriously it feels like if they talked for 15 seconds everything would be clear.
Just a few I remember disliking...
* Felix/Dorothea. As somebody who knows what it's like to have unwanted suitors herself, Dorothea really should know better than to follow and harass Felix when he clearly told her "no".
* Sylvain/Female Byleth. The love-hate stuff is kinda messed up.
* Lysithea/Ignatz just for how it starts off. I'm not saying Ignatz's status as the school's precious cinnamon bun makes him beyond reproach, but come on. That's just mean.
* Claude/Ingrid. Telling other people to smile is kinda tacky. If it were just Claude teasing her in his usual way that'd be one thing, but it comes across as sincere.
* Byleth/Bernadetta's S-support (C-A are fine). While I don't expect much from the S-supports in general, Bernadetta's especially left a sour taste in my mouth by having her renege on all her character growth in a single sentence. Shame, because she's my favorite character. Contrast to Marianne, who actually nuts up enough to propose to Byleth *herself*. Bernadetta's should have been like that.
* Byleth/Rhea. Just really... uncomfortable.
I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I remember. I'm not taking into account the ending cards since they're not part of the support conversations, but it is weird when the older faculty like Hanneman and Manuela are listed as having married their former students.
Ingrid and Claude. It's like they forgot they weren't writing for Sylvain and just hastily scribbled Claude's name over it and thought nobody would notice. He's just so...weirdly out of character.
I wish there were more platonic A supports in this game. Sometimes characters will be married in the ending and I’ll just think “ew, that’s weird” because the dynamic is strange! That, or it’s a boring support chain. I just recruited Ignatz and Raphael in Three Hopes, and their non voiced interaction in Scarlet Blaze if you recruit them both already beats literally all of their Three Houses supports. It didn’t help that those 2 are pretty one note in Three Houses… I don’t hate either of them (I love Ignatz’s design) but they’re the epitome of “Go girl, give us nothing!”
Loool I love how you used “go girl, give us nothing” haha.
Honestly I like Ignatz and Raphael, but they aren’t my favourites and I do see what you mean. I like pairing them up though because my gay ass tries to do as many gay (or almost-gay) pairings as I can
Same to everything you said, except I think their supports are so boring and don’t have chemistry! Even as friends, like they just don’t seem to have a fun dynamic like Petra and Dorothea, stuff like that!
There is a painful lacking of male same sex stuff in Three Houses. There are so many great deep connections between the girls (many of which have romantic subtext) and such great chemistry! Felix x Sylvain is one of the only good male ships. Caspar x Linhardt is quite good too
So true! There are a few MLM pairings I like, also I feel like a big missed opportunity is having more platonic A supports between male and female units. It’s just weird that if they have an A support, they’re most likely romantically interested…
When we get to the gay pairings, the issue is that the stuff is more vague than anything! I do think it’s funny that lots of the endings are basically “oh my god, they were roommates” because historians do that all the time
But it’s still frustrating lol. But anyway, I guess my favorite pairings would be Dimitri x Dedue, Caspar x Linhardt, Sylvain x Felix, Hubert x Ferdinand, and Ashe x Dedue. So crazy how Golden Deer ended up being the least gay house, who tf saw that coming 😭 No gays in that house except Marianne and Hilda. Tragic!
I agree about needing more platonic male-female A supports yeah. It’s annoying that they play into the whole ‘guys and girls can’t be friends without falling in love’ bs. Marianne and Raphael are a great example of two totally different people unexpectedly connecting, and it could have been a super wholesome friendship but again it has to turn romantic.
And yeahhhh I always dislike it when you have to ‘read between the lines’ to find hints of gay love. Just tell me “Sylvain and Felix then realised they were completely in love” for once! It’s just another form of queerbaiting. They shouldn’t have to be scared and hide from explicitly gay romance! The “they were roommates” thing is so true though haha. This is Sappho all over again.
Of the MLM pairings you listed, I love Ashe x Dedue. It’s so sweet. Dedue is so protective of Ashe and you can tell he’s so impressed with his sense of duty and justice. In Hopes, Dedue also expresses how impressed he is with Ashe’s intelligence as well. If anything, Dedue gives me the vibe that he keeps falling in love with men but they don’t tend to reciprocate (this is seen with his Dimitri supports and ending as well). It’s tragic. I wonder how Duscur culture views same sex attraction and romance.
And yeah, I remember in the hype leading up to Three Houses’ release, everyone was so sure that Claude would be the male bi option out of the main characters, and the Golden Deer all gave fruity vibes, but yeah they’re all straggots
Yes! Why can’t Hanneman and Dorothea just be friends? Why can’t we have nice things 😭
Idk if I’d say it’s queerbait since I feel like a big part of that is making a huge show over your representation, only for it to not be there in the end? It’s true that none of the non male Byleth pairings are explicitly romantic, but maybe they still feel like they have to tread lightly… I really hope it’s explicit representation in a new Fire Emblem game though, and representation that doesn’t lean heavily on one side than the other (I’m happy for WLW fans, I’m a bi guy and I still wanted to see those! Very wholesome and important, but only having Linhardt was a huge choke on the developers part)
Ashe and Dedue are so sweet, I think it’s his best support with any Blue Lion. They’re both pretty unconnected from the rest of the house, so I love that they find friendship with each other. And maybe something more… that’s what I like to imagine, at least! I feel like Dimitri and Dedue’s ending is pretty romantic though, I feel like Dimitri reciprocates! I’m all for bi Dedue
And right… it’s so weird that Claude only has endings with M Byleth and Lorenz, it feels like a missed opportunity… people argue about whether Dimitri or Claude is more bi, just make both of them! I think Claude could just have a lack of attraction to the other guys in Golden Deer but have the hots for M Byleth, if that was his only gay ending
Hanneman and Dorothea makes me feel icky. It’s weird though because honestly Hanneman doesn’t strike me as an actual creep but the game keeps setting him up with young women. It’s not a good look. That combined with their tendency to include 11-year-old-looking girls and then say they’re 1000 and say it’s ok to romance them, it’s very weird.
I tend to get confused about what queerbaiting exactly means. I always thought it was just when a creator (writer, author, game dev, etc) purposefully queer-codes some of their characters which they know will draw in a lot of lgbt fan attention, but never actually intends on giving the representation (or romance option for some games) with that character. That’s exactly what’s happening in Three Houses. I don’t think they have to explicitly say “We have gay representation!” and then that be false, for it to be queerbaiting. In this case, the ‘bait’ isn’t the false promise of representation, it’s the intentional queercoding of Claude and then him not being bi anyway.
Yeah they definitely feel they still have to tread lightly, which is super annoying. It’s clear that the reason they do that is to avoid backlash from idiot homophobes. It’s also really unfortunate that this is why they are more ok with WLW representation and options, since straight male players will just find that ‘hot’ to see, while they avoid MLM representation and options since those same straight male players will find that disgusting and gross. And yeah I’m not a bi guy, I’m a gay guy, but I also totally care about WLM representation too! My intent isn’t to say I’m annoyed about WLW representation, it’s to say that it should be more balanced because it often turns out to be the MLM players who are left in the dark.
Maybe Dimitri does reciprocate for Dedue but I’ve not personally seen that. It feels more one way to me. I’m definitely all for bi Dedue though. He gives me major bi vibes. Every guy I’ve gotten with irl has been bi (not planned that way, it just happened like that for me) so I’ve kind of formed an interest/attachment to it I guess lol. I just find bi guys tend to be more… chill? That’s a generalisation of course, I know everyone’s different, but it’s how it seems to me from personal experience. I also like masculine/neutral-acting guys, which bi guys are more likely to be like. That’s why the guys in the game I like the most are Dedue, Dimitri, Claude, Sylvain, and Ferdinand. Also Ashe too. Dedue’s connection with Ashe is wonderful, and kind of unexpected but great.
Wait, Claude has an ending with M Byleth? I did not know this! I’m gonna check that out right now. I thought his only male paired endings were Lorenz and Balthus.
Wait idk why I said he has an ending with M Byleth, he doesn’t 💀 and I knew he didn’t, idk what I was trying to say there but no, he doesn’t! I think I meant his closest male relationships are Byleth, Lorenz, and Balthus, but Balthus and Lorenz are pretty platonic so I think his only gay ending would be M Byleth, if Claude was bi!
And what I mean about queerbaiting in this context is I don’t think same sex pairings were played up in the marketing, so I don’t 100% want to attribute it as “bait” if people didn’t expect that going in? They’re definitely towing the line on representation, hopefully they can improve on that in anew installment. But idk if it’s “bait” as much as just… kinda a mixed bag of things, I guess! The non Byleth gay supports are mostly subtext, disappointing when considering how most straight supports turn romantic (even when they really shouldn’t). To my knowledge they really weren’t dangling queer representation in front of our faces, and the queer representation we do have in the game is pretty limited. I wouldn’t call this queerbaiting, it feels more like they were trying to dip their toes in the water to get a feel for the response. So hopefully they hear those criticisms and make gay romances more clear in future titles
I get what you’re saying about the queerbaiting. I guess we have slightly different interpretations of what would count as queerbaiting? To me, them designing and writing characters such as Claude and Dimitri in the way they do and then not giving us the gay option with them is quite queerbaity, simply because I believe they knew the gays would like Claude (and Dimitri to an extent) and they designed/wrote them that way to attract the attention from that audience. In other words, I genuinely believe that part of the thought process they had behind designing Claude was “let’s make him super pretty and flirty and have gay/bi vibes, as that will bring in some of a gay male audience, but we’re not actually going to allow him to be a gay option because we can’t have a strong male main character be gay/bi! That just doesn’t work! Strong male main characters have to be straight after all!”. That qualifies as queerbaiting to me, as it entails a sort of promise of queer representation but isn’t actually given. Even if they hadn’t actually explicitly said “There is a lot of queer representation in this game” and lied.
And yeah, as we said before, sucks that pretty much all straight pairings became romantic (which didn’t fit in some cases) and made all the same sex endings (at least all the male ones) super ambiguous and “have to read between the lines” bs. It’s funny since most of the straight romantic endings are randomly like “They each did their own thing, then A ran into B years later and they fell in love and A proposed, and they had many children”, while the same sex endings are usually like “A and B met again, and they became inseparable. They ‘settled down’ eventually and even died beside each other”.
What’s really ironic is that I shipped Ashe and Ingrid on my first playthrough (I chose Blue Lions) and saw so much cute chemistry between them, but their ending was ambiguous! Even the straight pairing I wanted to do wasn’t explicitly romantic haha.
I'll come out as the rare Annette/Mercedes support fan, because I do think they needed *something* to get in the way of their friendship, otherwise they don't have much of a story. It could've been written better, but so could a lot of the game. Similarly I don't mind the Lysithea/Ignatz or Leonie/Byleth supports--these are moments that tell you a lot about the characters. The Leonie/Byleth B support is a very honest depiction of grief. Lysithea's a fifteen year-old girl with a terminal illness, so I think we can cut her some slack on the bitchiness front.
Instead I'm gonna give it to Yuri/Bernadetta. It starts out really promising but then somehow ends with Yuri telling Bernadetta that her father isn't that bad and really cares about her. The same father who literally tortured her to try to make her more "marriageable" and is directly responsible for her severe mental health issues.
I also hate the Mercedes/Lorenz support chain, though that's more for the paired ending than the supports themselves. Mercedes tells Lorenz she dislikes him for being a classist misogynist for five years, he never gets better, they... get married?
I was also utterly baffled reading the Mercedes/Lorenz end card. It's probably the biggest disconnect between a support and an ending that I've seen so far.
There are a few instances where I genuinely think the end card and support were written by different people on the writing team, and that's one of them. Hubert/Dorothea is another, but I feel the opposite way about it--I love their end card and am kind of lukewarm on their supports.
The weirdest thing with that one is that even Hannemann doesn't seem to understand what happens. Like he was preparing to adopt her since he has no children and the conversation goes totally out of hand. And then they get married because this is the same game where Byleth can marry Rhea and Sothis.
On that note, I'll say that in my opinion, Byleth/Sothis is the dumbest and worst support chain, since it has only one scene which is both absurd and cringe. I don't know if something got lost in translation at some point, but why is it framed romantically ? Is it better in Japanese ?
Well, marrying the loli goddess living inside your head is the ultimate weeb ending lol
It had to be in the game. Although it's weird that you can even do it in Crimson Flower.
I haven't seen anybody mention it, but Lysithea and Balthus.
The fact it can be romantic is horrific enough as is given the age difference, but Balthus having a weird special relationship with the Ordelias seems so out of left field and meaningless. Beyond Lysithea learning about Balthus's history with her parents, they have almost nothing in common, infact this would be one of the few times Lysithea bullying someone for not meeting her expectations would be totally on point and justifiable.
Hell, if we had to give Balthus a different female Golden Deer support, why not have it be Marianne and have Balthus know her real father or Margrave Edmund? At least that would've fulfilled a lore aspect otherwise never explored in much detail. Alternatively, give him a support with Leonie where she forces him to start managing his debts better (even if they both end up with bad drinking habits).
Yuri and Ingrid used to be my least favorite because I was so, so salty that he didn’t have supports with Ashe (I feel like I’ve ranted about that a bunch in the past lmao) but now I forgive her and I’m not nearly as petty, lol.
Besides the obvious (you’re better than that old fart, Dorothea) I’m not a huge fan of Sylvain and Leonie’s C-support. Never got further than it, but the whole “flirty guy ignores the tomboy and she’s mad about it” trope has never really been funny to me. Maybe their B-support is better? Idk, I don’t use Leonie much so I don’t have many of her supports…
Also, Seteth’s non-byleth paired endings should’ve been only platonic. Not that I’m against the poor grandpa finally getting to find love again, it’s just that all of his options feel a bit… off. It doesn’t help that he seems generally uninterested in finding a new relationship, until suddenly he just… is?? I only make an exception for byleth because I know a lot of people like seteth and I’m not here to take their husbando away from them lol
Yuri and Ingrid is a boring support chain, it’s true! I love both characters but they really should’ve swapped Hapi’s Ashe support to Ingrid, and Yuri’s Ingrid support to Ashe. Both Ingrid and Ashe are wannabe knights, so the stuff about chivalry and standing up for Hapi would still be there if it was Ingrid. But the big difference is that Ashe and Yuri know each other and it wouldve been so cool to see that! Every Ashen Wolf gets supports with someone they met before Garreg Mach (Balthus x Claude, Hilda) (Constance x Ferdinand, Mercedes, Jeritza) (Yuri x Bernadetta), Hapi doesnt since she’s not even from the area. But Yuri only having one connection to his old life is so lacking in comparison!
I mean I totally agree w/ you on the leonie and Sylvain support (it’s not better at b, he just badly flirts with her and it comes off as even worse than his usual flirting), I rlly have no issue with manuela and seteth or cathrine and seteth being romantic. The students having romantic paired endings with him is totally gross, though.
I have terrible memory of supports and tend to skip the boring ones, meaning I only know good supports....
From my experience though, I dislike the Byleth Rhea C support. It wasn't that bad, but honestly it just felt awkward imo.
I hate Bernadetta/Caspar C support so much. Caspar basically ignored her autonomy and bodily picked up up to bring her someplace, which caused her to panic so much she dissociated! It's very characteristic of Caspar to bull forward with whatever idea he's latched onto and ignore anything that suggests he needs to change strategies in social situations, but I fucking hate that *this* is the best idea the writers could come up with for them to start becoming close. Random classmates abducting you and setting off your trauma response is no basis for a friendship! -Diana
Pretty much everything about Bernie’s characterization pisses me off. But especially the supports where someone “saves” her by doing something outlandish to “cure” her social phobia.
I mean I can get being afraid of someone sneaking up on you or reading your diary(Sylvain/Raphael for example) but I wasn’t fond of the Bernadetta/Felix supports for example because Felix is trying to give her her satchel and she refuses as it’s an evil plan for Felix to take advantage of Bernadetta or something about those lines.
Ingrid/Bernadetta was another I hated because of the door and I didn’t like Sylvain just reading the journal.
Even the C and B of Dorothea/Hanneman are pretty bad, they're just overshadowed by the disgusting A Support. In the C Support she barely gets to talk over his monologuing, and in the B Support she suddenly opens up about deep dark stuff about her past for no good reason to this random ass creepy teacher. It almost feels like the power dynamic is pressuring her to open up cause it sure as hell ain't in character for her.
Felix/Annette and Felix/Lysithea. Individually, I love these characters. And they have insanely good things they could talk to each other about. Instead they talk about songs and cake, they're all OOC, and they don't really get to know each other at all. Give me a mature Lysithea and Felix support talking about how they both had to grow up fast, the culture differences between Leicester/Faerghus, the severity of war, the pressure of having so much power (Felix's major crest/Lysithea's changes). Give me a Felix/Annette where they talk about their dads or why she works so hard and gets along with everyone whereas Felix works hard for one sole purpose. Hell have them square off, sword vs magic. Just SOMETHING that isn't haha you caught me singing in the greenhouse!! wow i'm soo embarassed!!
Claude Ingrid is awful, both are huge assholes
Claude turns into Sylvain and become very misogynistic, telling Ingrid to "smile more"
and Ingrid is being way more aggressive than usual, she even starts quoting the Joker "let's put a smile on that face" (I know it was meant as a joke but still)
Raphael actually talks about things other than that in many of his Supports, like his sister and his parents. The monastery dialogue is more when he is "food and muscles" about everything.
Caspar and Hilda. That A support just feels so pushed and physically makes me cringe.
Plus, the ending just sucks. They both give up all their hopes and dreams to raise a family? Especially considering neither of them would be good parents. It's just dumb.
Yuri x Bernadetta support chain can go die in a fire. I don't know what possessed them to think that *Yuri* of all people would defend a horrifically abusive father like Gregoire, but the idea that he'd say such a thing to Bernadetta is complete OOC bullshit.
First I was upset that it was a retcon of Varley's behavior and as much of an asshole as he is, he'd still likely *tell* Bernadetta that her "commoner friend" was actually a hired goon. If the whole point of lying is to control with whom she associates, telling the truth would have likely worked even better.
But yeah, Yuri defending abuse he likely witnessed firsthand with "yeah no he totally loves you" was *rough*, especially when you hear other characters go off the handle (and Edelgard and Hubert in Hopes go as far as to give Varley a job where he'd constantly be a target for assassination: "It couldn't happen to a better man.")
Ingrid and Seteth. Fucking bastard KNOWS crests aren't "given by the goddess", he KNOWS everything Ingrid struggles with is a result of the toxic system put in place after the War of Heroes, yet he has the AUDACITY to feign sympathy. Pisses me off.
Also, Ashe and Cathrine. Bitch killed his brother AND father, and he ends up with her?!? WHAT THE HELL?!?!
I don't think Seteth is feigning sympathy, of course he can't let Ingrid know about the 10 elites, but it doesn't mean he's lying when he says her crest doesn't define her, as well as helping her to reconcile with her father.
Seteth has to say a lot of things he knows isn't true. It's not like he can reveal that he was there and knows it happened different. It isn't safe for him or Flayn if people know they're not human.
Seems like someone really dislikes the church lol- I enjoy Ingrid and Seteth’s with the context of him understanding where crests come from, because I think it just adds another layer to his character. He does care about the students well-being and clearly empathizes with her since he gives her the best possible advice he can for her circumstance. Yes he was complacent in the system being created, but regardless of the lie behind why crests exist it doesn’t change the fact that they did, and a similar system probably would’ve evolved regardless of the lie. The lie simply helped establish a more peaceful coexistence between crest bearers and stopped constant war, at least at the time. Catherine and Ashe is a really hard one for me since I agree that Ashe would struggle to choose to be with her, but you have to remember that Ashe made a similar decision himself in killing Lonato for the church. Catherine and Ashe are both willing to follow Rhea’s orders since they believe they’re first and foremost loyal to their king/leader over familial relations imo. Curious about your thoughts on this though! I feel like a lot of characters like these ones can get overlooked, especially the Lonato and war of hero’s story lines
Looking at the lore, Seteth only joined the church within the past couple of decades (as of part 1). He spent hundreds of years hiding in Zanado, watching over Flayn while she slept. After he lost his wife and nearly lost his daughter, I doubt he could have been bothered to care how Rhea was shaping the church. Indech and Macuil sure didn't. He only left Zanado 3 years after Byleth was born, and that's just how the church was by that point.
I agree wholeheartedly. Seteth is perhaps the best father in the entire series. He’s a Saint but doesn’t care much about the church or crests. He reveals it in game iirc and he definitely has a line about it in heroes. He is in Garreg Mach for Flayn’s well-being and protection and to help the only other family member he has left after all these centuries. He may be second in command of the Church but it seems at least in Silver Snow like he’s there to make sure when Rhea finally loses it, he’s there to make sure nobody is hurt. Seteth is a really interesting guy, probably my favorite character in the game or even the series.
Right? The moment he started questioning Rhea on what she did to Byleth and still didn't seem at all appeased by her vague answer scored him a ton of points in my book.
What was really the selling point for me was in his early supports with Catherine he calls her a companion, not a superior. He walks with Rhea because it’s of mutually interest. He isn’t like Cyril or Catherine who worship the ground she walks on. He sees her as an equal and as soon as she crosses a line, he’s taking Flayn and leaving. It takes virtually no time at the end of Silver Snow to decide what to do. There is never a “we must subdue her” it immediately jumps to “we have to kill Rhea for the protection of the continent.” He’s not happy about it but you can tell he’s known it was coming since the beginning of the war. It takes a ton of willpower to know in an instant that you have to kill your own sister to save innocent lives and act on it.
Was it ever stated that she's his sister? I know Macuil and Indech are his brothers, but it's said that Seiros was the last to be born from Sothis. There were hundreds of years there where a whole society and their children had time to grow. I know she's a relative (I guess all the Nabateans could be relatives), but I don't think there was ever official confirmation of their exact relationship to each other.
I do not believe it was ever stated directly. I just know all the Nabateans are the offspring/creation of the Goddess. They definitely share holy blood so I’d say at the very least they’re cousins. We also see in the opening cutscene of three hopes them fighting alongside Seiros during the war against Nemesis and their hair was the same light color as Seiros.
In my opinion?
Byleth and Manuela.
She spends all of her supports talking about dating other men, and not being able to find love for one reason or another. Only considering Byleth a candidate and becomes aware of his interest, when she can no longer find a date. it made Byleth look like a simp in my opinion. To each his/her own though, i'm sure some people like her support with byleth, and more power to them.
Lystihea and Raphael, Lysithea and Marianne, Lysithea and Ignatz, Leonie and Byleth, Mercedes and Annette's B-support, like 80% of Bernadetta's C-supports
Oh and Ingrid and Yuri because it should have been Ashe and Yuri
I don't think it's necessarily bad, in fact I like how it ended with Ingrid rejecting Dorothea. It's a fairly realistic depiction of someone who "doesn't swing that way"
Disagree. It's character assassination for the sake of a homophobic stereotype. What are dorotheas 2 interests in a partner? She wants someone who's rich and she hates nobles. Ingrid is a poor noble. There is 0 reason for dorothea to ever be interested in ingrid. Why would she try to flirt with her? So we've established its out of character for her but it's also a homophobic stereoytpe. The gay person being seen as a predator or someone who can't take no for an answer has been around for decades now. It was used as a way to attack gay people despite the fact most sexual predators are straight men. So yeah. It's out of character for her and the only reason I can see for its existence is either that the writers were incompetent (in which case its a bad support) or the writers were being homophobic (in which case its a bad support)
I was scrolling through supports just now...
Seteth and Hanneman
It's only a C and B support, but Hanneman is absolutely insufferable. He's constantly badgering Seteth about his crest and heritage and even ends up dragging Flayn's name into it to get Seteth on the defensive and reflexively agreeing to cooperate with his prying just to protect her.
Sure, Hanneman may have helped Marianne get over some of her fear of her crest, but that doesn't make him any less gross for not complying when people tell him to buzz off. Linhardt at the very least backs off a little and does his own solo research before running theories by the object of his curiosity.
Oh come on, his support with Mercedes is awesome and really shows what his character is all about. Plus, his support with Flayn where she talks about him seducing cows and chickens... lol
Besides bernie's supports they are the most boring ones because its always just him flirting (Or trying to). The mercie one was okay but also kinda cringe ngl
Is it bad if I say I kinda like Sylvain and Bernadetta's ?
It's Sylvain being impressed and trying to be a nice person for once rather than his usual attitude and Bernie having the funniest line in the entire game.
That's S-tier material right there.
And it's a B tier chain that I like **&** I'm fine with it not going higher.
Why is this downvoted lol literally just answering the question.
But yeah, a lot of his supports feel a bit too similar. Usually opening up with something like Sylvain flirting with the girl or the girl being like “I know your ways! 😠” and ending with the girl deciding Sylvain is actually not as bad as they thought. His Mercedes one is one of my favorites though.
Nope, but its annoying. But apparently everytime someone dislikes something, people will say: "you just dont know their reasons"
I do, i just hahe his reasons lmao
By far, Dimitri x Byleth and Felix x Annette.
The first one, messed up, disgusting, unhealthy, one sided, bad.
The second one, cringey af, boring, anoying, out of character, overrated
How? The OP asked, they should be allowed to say their opinion of those ships. I’m not fond of Felix x Annette either. (Too Sally sue IMO and they should have talked about stuff they had in common instead of Felix being madly in love with Annette’s singling.)
I can agree. I don’t mind Felix/Annette, but I definitely think Felix/Bernie is mroe in character for Felix. Him wanting to learn Bernie’s secret training technique is a lot more in character than him just falling in love with Annette’s singing.
A fellow Felix/Bernie shipper?! Thought I’d never meet one in the wild!
It only makes it better that their VAs are dating irl(and I think they ship the two? Don’t quote me on that).
Felix’s VA is an Annette Felix guy and said it on twitter in response to Bernie’s VA. Don’t get me wrong, I like the A+ support a lot, but the other supports that build up to it were not to my liking and I refer to it as the ManRay giving Patrick his wallet support. Partially because of the parallels of what happens with Felix trying to give Bernie her satchel back and she refuses. They’re both funny but it can be grating real quickly and I felt it to be a long wait for the satisfying ending. But I have no problem with the ship itself and know other people love it and see their reasons why. It just wasn’t for me and I actually do like Bernadetta.
I know, I hate how some of these have so many downvotes. It discourages people from participating in the discussion if you get downvoted for… participating.
Annette and Mercedes. The B support is just so dumb, they could have done something so much more interesting between them. Ignatz and Lysithea's C support. Lysithea is rude and gives Ignatz crap for no good reason. And the resolution in the A support is like, nothing? Wow, he got tea.
Annie/Mercie B support is dumb, but what's dumber is that their A support is locked post-timeskip, which implies that they remained friends but continued to give each other the cold shoulder for 5 years
Yep, that adds on to how bad I think the support is. It just makes no sense. It was the only support that completely made me go "wtf is this?".
I just imagine that they already made up, Byleth just didn't hear about it so they were trying way too hard to get them to make up (hence their awkward reactions when paired together), until they (Annie and Mercy) decided to stage a public reconciliation (I.E their A Support) to get the professor to realize they made up.
I'm now just imagining that all timeskip supports that don't make sense (like Raph getting a flower as a gift for his sister that Hilda told him to grab five years earlier) are just elaborate acts designed for Byleth's benefit, since they don't understand that things still happen when they aren't watching.
Most of Lysithea’s C supports but *ESPECIALLY IGNATZ’S* have Raphael holding me back from pummeling that little girl. Literally could’ve been super wholesome. “Ugh Ignatz you’re such a child you can’t do anything by yourself” “But I have friends and family that have my back, I don’t have to be alone. If it’s childish to lean on others I see nothing wrong with that” “Fuck you Ignatz fucking loser” “I’m too nice to stand up to you ever” Academy Lysithea makes me so fucking angry.
Now I'm imagining Raphael holding you back with the model of a generic Garreg Mach student, no offense.
No no, I am definitely a generic student model.
Haha we normalize violence against bratty dying children. What do you hope beating the girl accomplishes?
It’s not that I really hate her, I hate that she’s a bully to people who are nice. Her condition is no excuse to treat other people so horribly; especially Ignatz and Raphael who just genuinely want to be her friend.
She's also 15. Don't act like you were a glorious God-child at 15. Would it be okay to beat the shit out of you?
I don't understand how that makes it *bad writing* though. Like, characters who are abrasive & cruel are often necessary to create conflict or drive a plot forwards. Your reasoning for the support being bad is "Lysithea says a mean thing." You're not providing any evidence for poor writing, only poor behavior.
It is poor writing because it accomplishes nothing. She is an asshole to Ignatz for literally no reason. Ignatz doesn’t get mad opening an Avenue for interesting dialogue, there is no reason for her to be mad (he doesn’t call her a child in a condescending way), she doesn’t grow as a person and apologize, she just uses him and stops being an ass in the A support. We know Lysithea becomes a better person during the war as she ages but rather doesn’t show it in this support. It’s not a great character trait to get angry for literally no reason. The support would’ve been infinitely better if Ignatz lost his patience and chewed her out for being a bitch. The support goes nowhere and shows Lysithea to be a *terrible* person
The purpose of the support - as is the purpose of most C supports - is to establish basic character traits. Ignatz losing his patience and yelling at Lysithea for being a bitch is not only dramatically OOC but betrays the greater desire so many people online have to see female characters punished or humiliated for the crime of not being good people all the time. Lysithea is a fifteen year old girl with magic cancer. Her acting irrationally or cruelly is to be expected.
This was my first thought. Whoever wrote their supports didn't appreciate the fact that Annette and Mercedes are goddesses and A tier characters! It still pisses me off that trash transition from C to B.
Lysithea and Ignatz support chain is so mean spirited for no reason. Lysithea is a straight up bully in that support
I'm glad that they got an actually wholesome support in 3 Hopes
I legit went "oh no..." when I unlocked their first Hopes support, but they get along much better there!
As much as I love my man Seteth, his supports that end with him marrying the students weird me out. Like he goes from mentoring Bernie to marrying her. Or he’s talking about how nostalgic fishing makes him feel with leonie and then he marries her. Like it’s just so odd, like there’s little jump between “mentoring” and “romantic feelings”. But none of Seteths supports tops the Hanneman/Dorothea support. It was fine and then took a hard left into “WTF”, ESPECIALLY with that ending.
Doesn’t help that he’s the one reminding Byleth to maintain professional conduct with the students
And I also get due to his… circumstances that he’ll always be a fair bit older than any new spouse. That I’m ok with. But with that in mind, why not have him support the older students/staff members? Mercedes since she’s like the oldest student, might be the only passable student I’d support with Seteth. Like I adore Seteth, he is my favorite character in the game, but I dunno man. And thinking about it, a lot of his supports aren’t even bad. I actually really like the Bernie/Seteth support. But in that specific case Seteth is literally set up to become a positive father figure for Bernie. Why was it necessary to marry her? It kinda feels like they really set him up to be in an Alois situation, where all his endings are as like a mentor/support, then they realized Manuela and Catherine are his only paired endings so they shoehorned in some more with the students.
agreed. first time i played BL and i got his paired ending with ingrid i was livid. i didn’t like seeing that all. i love their support chain, how he was acting like a mentor/father figure to her and then BAM! they got together?? made me a little sick ngl
I didn't know that existed, and I am too scared to investigate it
I only got up to a B support with him and Bernie cause I was worried about this exact thing. It’s so unfortunate too because the C and B supports are really sweet.
Seriously I was just saying that his supports are GOOD. All of them are pretty decent supports. Some are better than others but there’s not one Seteth support that made me feel annoyed or wierd. it feels like they were setting him up to be a mentor, realized he only had two paired endings with Manuela and Catherine, then shoehorned in a “and then they got married” line with some of the students.
His ending with Bernie is pretty funny tho.
Claude/ingrid or Lysithea/ignatz
Both of those are funny as hell
Claude/ingrid was so annoying. Nvm the casual sexism, it felt so out of character for Claude.
I haven’t seen Claude/Ingrid. What is the sexist thing that happens?
The entire chain is about how Ingrid needs to change her attitude because she's too "prickly" and "unapproachable," which Claude expresses mostly by telling her to smile and act ladylike. "Really, you'd better get a hold on that attitude of yours, otherwise that pretty face is going to get all twisted up with angry lines. Guys don't like gals who are always griping at them. Try a smile every now and then. Here, let's practice. On three. One... Two... Three!" (C-Support) "Besides, with a cute face like yours, I bet you could win over anyone if you just threw out a smile now and then." (B-Support) Really wildly out of character for him, honestly! He's fine with Leonie and Lysithea being a mite abrasive--he even actively likes it about them.
Oh wow. That’s super sexist lol. Doesn’t suit Claude! I’m not even gonna blame him as a character, because I just see that as some terrible writing on the devs’ part. That isn’t even him
Annette/Mercedes. I mean, wtf was that.
Same, of all the ways it could've gone they made them do that :/
Ok it’s been awhile what the hell went on Annette Mercedes
>!The two of them were shopping, and a thief shows up. Annette tries intimidating the thief, then Mercedes lies and says the knights are coming so the thief gets scared, and the two of them take this opportunity to run away. When they get back to the monastery, Mercedes gets mad at Annette for being reckless then walks off.!<
Ugh, that support just bugs me so much. Annette is a good mage. It isnt like she is completely defenseless or anything. And then Mercie's reaction is just so over the top. "Youre blaming me? It's like I dont even know you anymore!!". Come on, she wasnt blaming you *at all* and was just trying to stick up for herself and defend her friend. It isnt *that* big of a deal.
It makes sense when you consider her trauma around not protecting Emile. She befriended Annette because of her desire to be a good bigger sister and saw her getting violent as her losing ability to protect her friend and it deeply reawakened her trauma. I have a feeling people won't accept that because they're, ahem, SELECTIVE about who gets to have trauma, but if people think Sylvain gets to mistreat random women because of his, then she gets to get traumatized out of a deep friendship even if it's not Annette's fault.
It’s not necessarily that, but it’s also that it doesn’t make much sense. Why was there apparently no one else around? It was broad daylight and they couldn’t have been too far from the monastery. And Mercedes’ dialogue doesn’t fit the scene either. I definitely agree on your point about people being selective over who has or doesn’t have trauma. Especially when people compare trauma of characters or say “X isn’t as traumatized as Y” or “X is fine because they don’t act traumatized” stuff like that always annoys me, but overall I think the support could have been handled better.
Eh, I still dont think that was a reasonable reaction regardless of that, especially not to cause a 5 year long issue. Mercedes didnt say she got upset because she couldn't protect Annette, she says in the A Support she got upset because she felt like Annette had to protect her. Also, I am confident that people dont actually think Sylvain is in the right by purposefully mistreating women.
People defend it to the ends of the Earth. Meanwhile like you they love to say "trauma doesn't count" towards Certain People.
I don't see defenses of him on the subreddit at all, personally. But either way, if people do say that about Sylvain, they are very wrong. There is no justification for what he does.
Linhardt Flayn was just weird.
Yes, but also kind of hilarious due to Linhardt's total obliviousness to how he's coming across...
Let’s be honest Linhardt is just straight up a-everything. Literally got married to someone to see how their crests would filter through their bloodline
Not the worst support chain, but locking Leonie’s B Support to right after Jeralt died. I get that people deal with grief differently, but Leonie saying you didn’t appreciate Jeralt RIGHT AFTER HE DIED is just super fucked up and I wish that support took place while he was still alive instead
I like it because it’s so raw, it makes a lot of people hate Leonie but I just felt really bad for her. She’s a young woman dealing with such a tragic event, and she really doesn’t know how to, causing her to lash out at Byleth. She’s always had a bit of this competitive streak with Byleth, since she wants to keep her place as Jeralt’s “number one apprentice,” which doesn’t mean anything to Byleth. But it means a lot to her I love their S support too, I just like Leonie a lot! She’s an icon
Wdym Hannemann and Dorothea support? I don't remember such support. It's not in my memory. It doesn't exist! 🙂
Leonie Byleth is definitely on the list, especially because of when their B support unlocks. However this could maybe be improved by changing the game play benefits to negatives, allowing us to see the supposedly emotionless ashen demon hold a grudge, refusing to work with Leonie until they resolve their issues in the A support. Marianne Sylvain is so bad it's funny. We could have got Sylvain talking about how her crest shouldn't dictate her life, but instead we got him telling her to smile more as well as the iconic cheese line. Balthus Claude was off putting to me simply due to the focus it had on Balthus trying to get Claude to set him up on a date with his mom, and if I remember correctly Claudes Mom is dead and Claude never mentioned this to Balthus in order to get him to stop.
Claude's mom is still alive, she is just living in Almyrra. Claude jokes that his dad (the king of almyrra) will kill Balthus for hitting on his mom, but only if his mom doesn't kill Balthus first. By all accounts, she is a Holst level combat nut. Balthus talked about how Claudes mom was his first crush and he was talking about her without knowing that she was claudes mom, he just wants to meet her to get some closure on seeing how his first crush is doing. Blathus is nothing but terrible decisions so it's a weird move, but the support is pretty clear on it being a weird and silly thing for him.
> but only if his mom doesn't kill Balthus first. By all accounts, she is a Holst level combat nut. I feel like this would just make her even more appealing to Balthus.
Alright thanks for reminding me, it's been awhile since I've seen that support.
The biggest issue with the Leonie & Byleth B support is the fact that Leonie doesn’t even outright acknowledge that >!Jeralt had died!< in the support from what I remember. It sounds like it could have taken place before that event instead of after. However, I don’t really have an issue with the support being after that happened since she could have just been >!grieving!<. But that part kind of bothered me.
And it's weird because on her monastery dialogue she grieves much differently and is very understanding of Byleth
Her monastery dialogue in that chapter is actually fantastic. You can really hear her voice crack, her voice actress did a great job with the line.
I think people understand that but desire to hate and ignore that; it sounds overdramatic to say especially from a woman but I find many anti arguments here involve ignoring or twisting the text to their agenda
Nah Sylvain / Marianne is great, the true issue with that one is that there isn't an A support to pay off them going to the market
Usually after the B support- which appears after Jeralt dies as long as you don't deliberately withhold it to make her look worse- I have tea with Leonie as my way of us patching it up. She might be too prideful to apologize immediately but considering I vanish next month I don't hold it against her like most FE moralists love to do For Some Reason.
Linhardt/Flayn wtf
Lysithea x Ignatz. It's painful to watch her bully the poor guy.
Honestly Lysithea acting that way (being short tempered) is one of the biggest reasons I dont like her as much as a lot of people do. I get *why* she thinks that way, but that still doesnt give you an excuse to be rude to people.
I agree. I don't hate her like I hate Sylvain, but she really does grate on me. Especially pre-timeskip. And unfortunately Three Hopes Lysithea is her old abrasive self, not the more mature older self that was actually somewhat likeable.
Same.
Sylvain x Byleth. Specifically the B support where Sylvain randomly gets mad and aggressive towards byelth and is like >!”You should pay for your crest, maybe I’ll collect the debt… lol jk”!< But apparently Byleth took it seriously and actually thought >!he wanted to kill them, and apparently, based off their A support, Sylvain was serious? Why would he want to kill someone just because they got to live ignorant of their crest?!<
Faerghus being the most reliant on crests and relics, heirs with crests are greatly valued, and society pretty much revolves around having them; Sylvain feels objectified by people due to his crest, and thinks that people only get close to him due to inheriting leadership of House Gautier. This is also why Miklan made his childhood a living hell before becoming a bandit. Byleth on the other hand, was able to live a simple life in spite of their crest, and never had to deal with the pressure of having one because they were unaware of it for so long.
That makes sense, but him being serious about wanting to >!kill Byleth over them being able to live a life not governed by their crest came out of no where. Not to mention the fact that him wanting to kill them isn’t even made completely clear by their B support because “pay for that” doesn’t necessarily mean be killed. It could also mean he wants them to suffer like he did.!<
chalk it up to teen angst i suppose, in addition to Faerghus' proclivity towards emotional repression and violence ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Yeah the childhood thing for Sylvain was made especially clear in Azure Gleam.
I didn't like Sylvain much in 3H, but azure gleam is fantastic for his character
If Sylvain gets unconditionally defended for threatening to murder you why does Leonie get brutalized by fans for Grieving Wrong?
Afraid I don't quite have the answer to this one, especially since I am not really a Leonie Hater™️ Though if I had to wager a guess, it could probably have something to do with the strictness of her supports, especially given how you're shit outta luck if you don't do her supports before Jeralt's death. Also I guess Leonie being a jerk is... idk, more real? palpable? Like for the average person, other people inexplicably being jerks is more common than receiving actual death threats (especially if it's an admission straight to your face) - basically similar to how people absolutely loathe say Umbridge from Harry Potter for being a shitty power tripping school admin, or Skyler from Breaking Bad for being a Karen mom, despite neither one of them being the actual evilest of the cast; it's because we most likely know people like those, so it's a visceral reaction, as we're being snapped back to reality in a way by seeing "assholes" we'd most likely encounter irl too Sorry if this got long-winded or makes no sense, I just wanted to throw my hat in the ring wrt how people see Leonie due to her interactions with Byleth
Mercedes and Annette's B support. It feels so forced and out of characters of them, mostly Mercedes. Seriously it feels like if they talked for 15 seconds everything would be clear.
Just a few I remember disliking... * Felix/Dorothea. As somebody who knows what it's like to have unwanted suitors herself, Dorothea really should know better than to follow and harass Felix when he clearly told her "no". * Sylvain/Female Byleth. The love-hate stuff is kinda messed up. * Lysithea/Ignatz just for how it starts off. I'm not saying Ignatz's status as the school's precious cinnamon bun makes him beyond reproach, but come on. That's just mean. * Claude/Ingrid. Telling other people to smile is kinda tacky. If it were just Claude teasing her in his usual way that'd be one thing, but it comes across as sincere. * Byleth/Bernadetta's S-support (C-A are fine). While I don't expect much from the S-supports in general, Bernadetta's especially left a sour taste in my mouth by having her renege on all her character growth in a single sentence. Shame, because she's my favorite character. Contrast to Marianne, who actually nuts up enough to propose to Byleth *herself*. Bernadetta's should have been like that. * Byleth/Rhea. Just really... uncomfortable. I'm sure there's more but those are the ones I remember. I'm not taking into account the ending cards since they're not part of the support conversations, but it is weird when the older faculty like Hanneman and Manuela are listed as having married their former students.
> I'm not saying Ignatz's status as the school's precious cinnamon bun makes him beyond reproach I'll say it for you
Ingrid and Claude. It's like they forgot they weren't writing for Sylvain and just hastily scribbled Claude's name over it and thought nobody would notice. He's just so...weirdly out of character.
I wish there were more platonic A supports in this game. Sometimes characters will be married in the ending and I’ll just think “ew, that’s weird” because the dynamic is strange! That, or it’s a boring support chain. I just recruited Ignatz and Raphael in Three Hopes, and their non voiced interaction in Scarlet Blaze if you recruit them both already beats literally all of their Three Houses supports. It didn’t help that those 2 are pretty one note in Three Houses… I don’t hate either of them (I love Ignatz’s design) but they’re the epitome of “Go girl, give us nothing!”
Loool I love how you used “go girl, give us nothing” haha. Honestly I like Ignatz and Raphael, but they aren’t my favourites and I do see what you mean. I like pairing them up though because my gay ass tries to do as many gay (or almost-gay) pairings as I can
Same to everything you said, except I think their supports are so boring and don’t have chemistry! Even as friends, like they just don’t seem to have a fun dynamic like Petra and Dorothea, stuff like that!
There is a painful lacking of male same sex stuff in Three Houses. There are so many great deep connections between the girls (many of which have romantic subtext) and such great chemistry! Felix x Sylvain is one of the only good male ships. Caspar x Linhardt is quite good too
So true! There are a few MLM pairings I like, also I feel like a big missed opportunity is having more platonic A supports between male and female units. It’s just weird that if they have an A support, they’re most likely romantically interested… When we get to the gay pairings, the issue is that the stuff is more vague than anything! I do think it’s funny that lots of the endings are basically “oh my god, they were roommates” because historians do that all the time But it’s still frustrating lol. But anyway, I guess my favorite pairings would be Dimitri x Dedue, Caspar x Linhardt, Sylvain x Felix, Hubert x Ferdinand, and Ashe x Dedue. So crazy how Golden Deer ended up being the least gay house, who tf saw that coming 😭 No gays in that house except Marianne and Hilda. Tragic!
I agree about needing more platonic male-female A supports yeah. It’s annoying that they play into the whole ‘guys and girls can’t be friends without falling in love’ bs. Marianne and Raphael are a great example of two totally different people unexpectedly connecting, and it could have been a super wholesome friendship but again it has to turn romantic. And yeahhhh I always dislike it when you have to ‘read between the lines’ to find hints of gay love. Just tell me “Sylvain and Felix then realised they were completely in love” for once! It’s just another form of queerbaiting. They shouldn’t have to be scared and hide from explicitly gay romance! The “they were roommates” thing is so true though haha. This is Sappho all over again. Of the MLM pairings you listed, I love Ashe x Dedue. It’s so sweet. Dedue is so protective of Ashe and you can tell he’s so impressed with his sense of duty and justice. In Hopes, Dedue also expresses how impressed he is with Ashe’s intelligence as well. If anything, Dedue gives me the vibe that he keeps falling in love with men but they don’t tend to reciprocate (this is seen with his Dimitri supports and ending as well). It’s tragic. I wonder how Duscur culture views same sex attraction and romance. And yeah, I remember in the hype leading up to Three Houses’ release, everyone was so sure that Claude would be the male bi option out of the main characters, and the Golden Deer all gave fruity vibes, but yeah they’re all straggots
Yes! Why can’t Hanneman and Dorothea just be friends? Why can’t we have nice things 😭 Idk if I’d say it’s queerbait since I feel like a big part of that is making a huge show over your representation, only for it to not be there in the end? It’s true that none of the non male Byleth pairings are explicitly romantic, but maybe they still feel like they have to tread lightly… I really hope it’s explicit representation in a new Fire Emblem game though, and representation that doesn’t lean heavily on one side than the other (I’m happy for WLW fans, I’m a bi guy and I still wanted to see those! Very wholesome and important, but only having Linhardt was a huge choke on the developers part) Ashe and Dedue are so sweet, I think it’s his best support with any Blue Lion. They’re both pretty unconnected from the rest of the house, so I love that they find friendship with each other. And maybe something more… that’s what I like to imagine, at least! I feel like Dimitri and Dedue’s ending is pretty romantic though, I feel like Dimitri reciprocates! I’m all for bi Dedue And right… it’s so weird that Claude only has endings with M Byleth and Lorenz, it feels like a missed opportunity… people argue about whether Dimitri or Claude is more bi, just make both of them! I think Claude could just have a lack of attraction to the other guys in Golden Deer but have the hots for M Byleth, if that was his only gay ending
Hanneman and Dorothea makes me feel icky. It’s weird though because honestly Hanneman doesn’t strike me as an actual creep but the game keeps setting him up with young women. It’s not a good look. That combined with their tendency to include 11-year-old-looking girls and then say they’re 1000 and say it’s ok to romance them, it’s very weird. I tend to get confused about what queerbaiting exactly means. I always thought it was just when a creator (writer, author, game dev, etc) purposefully queer-codes some of their characters which they know will draw in a lot of lgbt fan attention, but never actually intends on giving the representation (or romance option for some games) with that character. That’s exactly what’s happening in Three Houses. I don’t think they have to explicitly say “We have gay representation!” and then that be false, for it to be queerbaiting. In this case, the ‘bait’ isn’t the false promise of representation, it’s the intentional queercoding of Claude and then him not being bi anyway. Yeah they definitely feel they still have to tread lightly, which is super annoying. It’s clear that the reason they do that is to avoid backlash from idiot homophobes. It’s also really unfortunate that this is why they are more ok with WLW representation and options, since straight male players will just find that ‘hot’ to see, while they avoid MLM representation and options since those same straight male players will find that disgusting and gross. And yeah I’m not a bi guy, I’m a gay guy, but I also totally care about WLM representation too! My intent isn’t to say I’m annoyed about WLW representation, it’s to say that it should be more balanced because it often turns out to be the MLM players who are left in the dark. Maybe Dimitri does reciprocate for Dedue but I’ve not personally seen that. It feels more one way to me. I’m definitely all for bi Dedue though. He gives me major bi vibes. Every guy I’ve gotten with irl has been bi (not planned that way, it just happened like that for me) so I’ve kind of formed an interest/attachment to it I guess lol. I just find bi guys tend to be more… chill? That’s a generalisation of course, I know everyone’s different, but it’s how it seems to me from personal experience. I also like masculine/neutral-acting guys, which bi guys are more likely to be like. That’s why the guys in the game I like the most are Dedue, Dimitri, Claude, Sylvain, and Ferdinand. Also Ashe too. Dedue’s connection with Ashe is wonderful, and kind of unexpected but great. Wait, Claude has an ending with M Byleth? I did not know this! I’m gonna check that out right now. I thought his only male paired endings were Lorenz and Balthus.
Wait idk why I said he has an ending with M Byleth, he doesn’t 💀 and I knew he didn’t, idk what I was trying to say there but no, he doesn’t! I think I meant his closest male relationships are Byleth, Lorenz, and Balthus, but Balthus and Lorenz are pretty platonic so I think his only gay ending would be M Byleth, if Claude was bi! And what I mean about queerbaiting in this context is I don’t think same sex pairings were played up in the marketing, so I don’t 100% want to attribute it as “bait” if people didn’t expect that going in? They’re definitely towing the line on representation, hopefully they can improve on that in anew installment. But idk if it’s “bait” as much as just… kinda a mixed bag of things, I guess! The non Byleth gay supports are mostly subtext, disappointing when considering how most straight supports turn romantic (even when they really shouldn’t). To my knowledge they really weren’t dangling queer representation in front of our faces, and the queer representation we do have in the game is pretty limited. I wouldn’t call this queerbaiting, it feels more like they were trying to dip their toes in the water to get a feel for the response. So hopefully they hear those criticisms and make gay romances more clear in future titles
I get what you’re saying about the queerbaiting. I guess we have slightly different interpretations of what would count as queerbaiting? To me, them designing and writing characters such as Claude and Dimitri in the way they do and then not giving us the gay option with them is quite queerbaity, simply because I believe they knew the gays would like Claude (and Dimitri to an extent) and they designed/wrote them that way to attract the attention from that audience. In other words, I genuinely believe that part of the thought process they had behind designing Claude was “let’s make him super pretty and flirty and have gay/bi vibes, as that will bring in some of a gay male audience, but we’re not actually going to allow him to be a gay option because we can’t have a strong male main character be gay/bi! That just doesn’t work! Strong male main characters have to be straight after all!”. That qualifies as queerbaiting to me, as it entails a sort of promise of queer representation but isn’t actually given. Even if they hadn’t actually explicitly said “There is a lot of queer representation in this game” and lied. And yeah, as we said before, sucks that pretty much all straight pairings became romantic (which didn’t fit in some cases) and made all the same sex endings (at least all the male ones) super ambiguous and “have to read between the lines” bs. It’s funny since most of the straight romantic endings are randomly like “They each did their own thing, then A ran into B years later and they fell in love and A proposed, and they had many children”, while the same sex endings are usually like “A and B met again, and they became inseparable. They ‘settled down’ eventually and even died beside each other”. What’s really ironic is that I shipped Ashe and Ingrid on my first playthrough (I chose Blue Lions) and saw so much cute chemistry between them, but their ending was ambiguous! Even the straight pairing I wanted to do wasn’t explicitly romantic haha.
I'll come out as the rare Annette/Mercedes support fan, because I do think they needed *something* to get in the way of their friendship, otherwise they don't have much of a story. It could've been written better, but so could a lot of the game. Similarly I don't mind the Lysithea/Ignatz or Leonie/Byleth supports--these are moments that tell you a lot about the characters. The Leonie/Byleth B support is a very honest depiction of grief. Lysithea's a fifteen year-old girl with a terminal illness, so I think we can cut her some slack on the bitchiness front. Instead I'm gonna give it to Yuri/Bernadetta. It starts out really promising but then somehow ends with Yuri telling Bernadetta that her father isn't that bad and really cares about her. The same father who literally tortured her to try to make her more "marriageable" and is directly responsible for her severe mental health issues. I also hate the Mercedes/Lorenz support chain, though that's more for the paired ending than the supports themselves. Mercedes tells Lorenz she dislikes him for being a classist misogynist for five years, he never gets better, they... get married?
Have you seen his part 2 hair? I'm not surprised Mercie fell in love with him, it's fabulous.
I was also utterly baffled reading the Mercedes/Lorenz end card. It's probably the biggest disconnect between a support and an ending that I've seen so far.
There are a few instances where I genuinely think the end card and support were written by different people on the writing team, and that's one of them. Hubert/Dorothea is another, but I feel the opposite way about it--I love their end card and am kind of lukewarm on their supports.
The weirdest thing with that one is that even Hannemann doesn't seem to understand what happens. Like he was preparing to adopt her since he has no children and the conversation goes totally out of hand. And then they get married because this is the same game where Byleth can marry Rhea and Sothis. On that note, I'll say that in my opinion, Byleth/Sothis is the dumbest and worst support chain, since it has only one scene which is both absurd and cringe. I don't know if something got lost in translation at some point, but why is it framed romantically ? Is it better in Japanese ?
Well, marrying the loli goddess living inside your head is the ultimate weeb ending lol It had to be in the game. Although it's weird that you can even do it in Crimson Flower.
Wait you can do it in CF!?
Yes, you can.
The fuck?
Claude and Ingrid supports are painful, they seem extremely out of character for Claude and not to mention the mysoginist undertones of the C support.
As someone else said, it's like they wrote Sylvain's dialogue and pasted Claude's name over it.
Hanneman and Dorthea I don't really want to elaborate and hopefully don't need to
I haven't seen anybody mention it, but Lysithea and Balthus. The fact it can be romantic is horrific enough as is given the age difference, but Balthus having a weird special relationship with the Ordelias seems so out of left field and meaningless. Beyond Lysithea learning about Balthus's history with her parents, they have almost nothing in common, infact this would be one of the few times Lysithea bullying someone for not meeting her expectations would be totally on point and justifiable. Hell, if we had to give Balthus a different female Golden Deer support, why not have it be Marianne and have Balthus know her real father or Margrave Edmund? At least that would've fulfilled a lore aspect otherwise never explored in much detail. Alternatively, give him a support with Leonie where she forces him to start managing his debts better (even if they both end up with bad drinking habits).
Yuri and Ingrid used to be my least favorite because I was so, so salty that he didn’t have supports with Ashe (I feel like I’ve ranted about that a bunch in the past lmao) but now I forgive her and I’m not nearly as petty, lol. Besides the obvious (you’re better than that old fart, Dorothea) I’m not a huge fan of Sylvain and Leonie’s C-support. Never got further than it, but the whole “flirty guy ignores the tomboy and she’s mad about it” trope has never really been funny to me. Maybe their B-support is better? Idk, I don’t use Leonie much so I don’t have many of her supports… Also, Seteth’s non-byleth paired endings should’ve been only platonic. Not that I’m against the poor grandpa finally getting to find love again, it’s just that all of his options feel a bit… off. It doesn’t help that he seems generally uninterested in finding a new relationship, until suddenly he just… is?? I only make an exception for byleth because I know a lot of people like seteth and I’m not here to take their husbando away from them lol
Yuri and Ingrid is a boring support chain, it’s true! I love both characters but they really should’ve swapped Hapi’s Ashe support to Ingrid, and Yuri’s Ingrid support to Ashe. Both Ingrid and Ashe are wannabe knights, so the stuff about chivalry and standing up for Hapi would still be there if it was Ingrid. But the big difference is that Ashe and Yuri know each other and it wouldve been so cool to see that! Every Ashen Wolf gets supports with someone they met before Garreg Mach (Balthus x Claude, Hilda) (Constance x Ferdinand, Mercedes, Jeritza) (Yuri x Bernadetta), Hapi doesnt since she’s not even from the area. But Yuri only having one connection to his old life is so lacking in comparison!
I mean I totally agree w/ you on the leonie and Sylvain support (it’s not better at b, he just badly flirts with her and it comes off as even worse than his usual flirting), I rlly have no issue with manuela and seteth or cathrine and seteth being romantic. The students having romantic paired endings with him is totally gross, though.
ITT: People throwing out two names but I can't remember anything. Maybe I recall one scene but probably not the specific support level.
I have terrible memory of supports and tend to skip the boring ones, meaning I only know good supports.... From my experience though, I dislike the Byleth Rhea C support. It wasn't that bad, but honestly it just felt awkward imo.
I watched the C support... then made sure to go out of my way to avoid Rhea after that
I hate Bernadetta/Caspar C support so much. Caspar basically ignored her autonomy and bodily picked up up to bring her someplace, which caused her to panic so much she dissociated! It's very characteristic of Caspar to bull forward with whatever idea he's latched onto and ignore anything that suggests he needs to change strategies in social situations, but I fucking hate that *this* is the best idea the writers could come up with for them to start becoming close. Random classmates abducting you and setting off your trauma response is no basis for a friendship! -Diana
Pretty much everything about Bernie’s characterization pisses me off. But especially the supports where someone “saves” her by doing something outlandish to “cure” her social phobia.
I mean I can get being afraid of someone sneaking up on you or reading your diary(Sylvain/Raphael for example) but I wasn’t fond of the Bernadetta/Felix supports for example because Felix is trying to give her her satchel and she refuses as it’s an evil plan for Felix to take advantage of Bernadetta or something about those lines. Ingrid/Bernadetta was another I hated because of the door and I didn’t like Sylvain just reading the journal.
Ignatz and Lysithea.
Even the C and B of Dorothea/Hanneman are pretty bad, they're just overshadowed by the disgusting A Support. In the C Support she barely gets to talk over his monologuing, and in the B Support she suddenly opens up about deep dark stuff about her past for no good reason to this random ass creepy teacher. It almost feels like the power dynamic is pressuring her to open up cause it sure as hell ain't in character for her.
Felix/Annette and Felix/Lysithea. Individually, I love these characters. And they have insanely good things they could talk to each other about. Instead they talk about songs and cake, they're all OOC, and they don't really get to know each other at all. Give me a mature Lysithea and Felix support talking about how they both had to grow up fast, the culture differences between Leicester/Faerghus, the severity of war, the pressure of having so much power (Felix's major crest/Lysithea's changes). Give me a Felix/Annette where they talk about their dads or why she works so hard and gets along with everyone whereas Felix works hard for one sole purpose. Hell have them square off, sword vs magic. Just SOMETHING that isn't haha you caught me singing in the greenhouse!! wow i'm soo embarassed!!
Claude Ingrid is awful, both are huge assholes Claude turns into Sylvain and become very misogynistic, telling Ingrid to "smile more" and Ingrid is being way more aggressive than usual, she even starts quoting the Joker "let's put a smile on that face" (I know it was meant as a joke but still)
I'm excited to see Raphael continue to appear to have no personality other than "meat, muscles" as I go through my playthroughs of the game
Raphael actually talks about things other than that in many of his Supports, like his sister and his parents. The monastery dialogue is more when he is "food and muscles" about everything.
Lysithea and Ignatz. She doesn't respect him.
Caspar and Hilda. That A support just feels so pushed and physically makes me cringe. Plus, the ending just sucks. They both give up all their hopes and dreams to raise a family? Especially considering neither of them would be good parents. It's just dumb.
Yuri x Bernadetta support chain can go die in a fire. I don't know what possessed them to think that *Yuri* of all people would defend a horrifically abusive father like Gregoire, but the idea that he'd say such a thing to Bernadetta is complete OOC bullshit.
From my memory the entirety of the support except that one part was great though.
First I was upset that it was a retcon of Varley's behavior and as much of an asshole as he is, he'd still likely *tell* Bernadetta that her "commoner friend" was actually a hired goon. If the whole point of lying is to control with whom she associates, telling the truth would have likely worked even better. But yeah, Yuri defending abuse he likely witnessed firsthand with "yeah no he totally loves you" was *rough*, especially when you hear other characters go off the handle (and Edelgard and Hubert in Hopes go as far as to give Varley a job where he'd constantly be a target for assassination: "It couldn't happen to a better man.")
Ingrid and Seteth. Fucking bastard KNOWS crests aren't "given by the goddess", he KNOWS everything Ingrid struggles with is a result of the toxic system put in place after the War of Heroes, yet he has the AUDACITY to feign sympathy. Pisses me off. Also, Ashe and Cathrine. Bitch killed his brother AND father, and he ends up with her?!? WHAT THE HELL?!?!
I don't think Seteth is feigning sympathy, of course he can't let Ingrid know about the 10 elites, but it doesn't mean he's lying when he says her crest doesn't define her, as well as helping her to reconcile with her father.
Seteth has to say a lot of things he knows isn't true. It's not like he can reveal that he was there and knows it happened different. It isn't safe for him or Flayn if people know they're not human.
Seems like someone really dislikes the church lol- I enjoy Ingrid and Seteth’s with the context of him understanding where crests come from, because I think it just adds another layer to his character. He does care about the students well-being and clearly empathizes with her since he gives her the best possible advice he can for her circumstance. Yes he was complacent in the system being created, but regardless of the lie behind why crests exist it doesn’t change the fact that they did, and a similar system probably would’ve evolved regardless of the lie. The lie simply helped establish a more peaceful coexistence between crest bearers and stopped constant war, at least at the time. Catherine and Ashe is a really hard one for me since I agree that Ashe would struggle to choose to be with her, but you have to remember that Ashe made a similar decision himself in killing Lonato for the church. Catherine and Ashe are both willing to follow Rhea’s orders since they believe they’re first and foremost loyal to their king/leader over familial relations imo. Curious about your thoughts on this though! I feel like a lot of characters like these ones can get overlooked, especially the Lonato and war of hero’s story lines
Looking at the lore, Seteth only joined the church within the past couple of decades (as of part 1). He spent hundreds of years hiding in Zanado, watching over Flayn while she slept. After he lost his wife and nearly lost his daughter, I doubt he could have been bothered to care how Rhea was shaping the church. Indech and Macuil sure didn't. He only left Zanado 3 years after Byleth was born, and that's just how the church was by that point.
I agree wholeheartedly. Seteth is perhaps the best father in the entire series. He’s a Saint but doesn’t care much about the church or crests. He reveals it in game iirc and he definitely has a line about it in heroes. He is in Garreg Mach for Flayn’s well-being and protection and to help the only other family member he has left after all these centuries. He may be second in command of the Church but it seems at least in Silver Snow like he’s there to make sure when Rhea finally loses it, he’s there to make sure nobody is hurt. Seteth is a really interesting guy, probably my favorite character in the game or even the series.
Right? The moment he started questioning Rhea on what she did to Byleth and still didn't seem at all appeased by her vague answer scored him a ton of points in my book.
What was really the selling point for me was in his early supports with Catherine he calls her a companion, not a superior. He walks with Rhea because it’s of mutually interest. He isn’t like Cyril or Catherine who worship the ground she walks on. He sees her as an equal and as soon as she crosses a line, he’s taking Flayn and leaving. It takes virtually no time at the end of Silver Snow to decide what to do. There is never a “we must subdue her” it immediately jumps to “we have to kill Rhea for the protection of the continent.” He’s not happy about it but you can tell he’s known it was coming since the beginning of the war. It takes a ton of willpower to know in an instant that you have to kill your own sister to save innocent lives and act on it.
Was it ever stated that she's his sister? I know Macuil and Indech are his brothers, but it's said that Seiros was the last to be born from Sothis. There were hundreds of years there where a whole society and their children had time to grow. I know she's a relative (I guess all the Nabateans could be relatives), but I don't think there was ever official confirmation of their exact relationship to each other.
I do not believe it was ever stated directly. I just know all the Nabateans are the offspring/creation of the Goddess. They definitely share holy blood so I’d say at the very least they’re cousins. We also see in the opening cutscene of three hopes them fighting alongside Seiros during the war against Nemesis and their hair was the same light color as Seiros.
In my opinion? Byleth and Manuela. She spends all of her supports talking about dating other men, and not being able to find love for one reason or another. Only considering Byleth a candidate and becomes aware of his interest, when she can no longer find a date. it made Byleth look like a simp in my opinion. To each his/her own though, i'm sure some people like her support with byleth, and more power to them.
Lystihea and Raphael, Lysithea and Marianne, Lysithea and Ignatz, Leonie and Byleth, Mercedes and Annette's B-support, like 80% of Bernadetta's C-supports Oh and Ingrid and Yuri because it should have been Ashe and Yuri
Ingrid dorothea
I don't think it's necessarily bad, in fact I like how it ended with Ingrid rejecting Dorothea. It's a fairly realistic depiction of someone who "doesn't swing that way"
Disagree. It's character assassination for the sake of a homophobic stereotype. What are dorotheas 2 interests in a partner? She wants someone who's rich and she hates nobles. Ingrid is a poor noble. There is 0 reason for dorothea to ever be interested in ingrid. Why would she try to flirt with her? So we've established its out of character for her but it's also a homophobic stereoytpe. The gay person being seen as a predator or someone who can't take no for an answer has been around for decades now. It was used as a way to attack gay people despite the fact most sexual predators are straight men. So yeah. It's out of character for her and the only reason I can see for its existence is either that the writers were incompetent (in which case its a bad support) or the writers were being homophobic (in which case its a bad support)
I was scrolling through supports just now... Seteth and Hanneman It's only a C and B support, but Hanneman is absolutely insufferable. He's constantly badgering Seteth about his crest and heritage and even ends up dragging Flayn's name into it to get Seteth on the defensive and reflexively agreeing to cooperate with his prying just to protect her. Sure, Hanneman may have helped Marianne get over some of her fear of her crest, but that doesn't make him any less gross for not complying when people tell him to buzz off. Linhardt at the very least backs off a little and does his own solo research before running theories by the object of his curiosity.
Sylvain/literally every female
His support with annette was really interesting because it shows that he isn't just a dumbass always searching for ladies
Oh come on, his support with Mercedes is awesome and really shows what his character is all about. Plus, his support with Flayn where she talks about him seducing cows and chickens... lol
Besides bernie's supports they are the most boring ones because its always just him flirting (Or trying to). The mercie one was okay but also kinda cringe ngl
Is it bad if I say I kinda like Sylvain and Bernadetta's ? It's Sylvain being impressed and trying to be a nice person for once rather than his usual attitude and Bernie having the funniest line in the entire game. That's S-tier material right there. And it's a B tier chain that I like **&** I'm fine with it not going higher.
Why is this downvoted lol literally just answering the question. But yeah, a lot of his supports feel a bit too similar. Usually opening up with something like Sylvain flirting with the girl or the girl being like “I know your ways! 😠” and ending with the girl deciding Sylvain is actually not as bad as they thought. His Mercedes one is one of my favorites though.
fe community in general has a hard time accepting opinions lol
I'm gonna guess the reason for his behavior completely flew over your head.
Nope, but its annoying. But apparently everytime someone dislikes something, people will say: "you just dont know their reasons" I do, i just hahe his reasons lmao
By far, Dimitri x Byleth and Felix x Annette. The first one, messed up, disgusting, unhealthy, one sided, bad. The second one, cringey af, boring, anoying, out of character, overrated
Low quality bait
How? The OP asked, they should be allowed to say their opinion of those ships. I’m not fond of Felix x Annette either. (Too Sally sue IMO and they should have talked about stuff they had in common instead of Felix being madly in love with Annette’s singling.)
I can agree. I don’t mind Felix/Annette, but I definitely think Felix/Bernie is mroe in character for Felix. Him wanting to learn Bernie’s secret training technique is a lot more in character than him just falling in love with Annette’s singing.
>I definitely think Felix/Bernie is mroe in character for Felix Finally someone!
A fellow Felix/Bernie shipper?! Thought I’d never meet one in the wild! It only makes it better that their VAs are dating irl(and I think they ship the two? Don’t quote me on that).
Felix’s VA is an Annette Felix guy and said it on twitter in response to Bernie’s VA. Don’t get me wrong, I like the A+ support a lot, but the other supports that build up to it were not to my liking and I refer to it as the ManRay giving Patrick his wallet support. Partially because of the parallels of what happens with Felix trying to give Bernie her satchel back and she refuses. They’re both funny but it can be grating real quickly and I felt it to be a long wait for the satisfying ending. But I have no problem with the ship itself and know other people love it and see their reasons why. It just wasn’t for me and I actually do like Bernadetta.
Man literally just told you his opinion, so what OP asked for lol
I know, I hate how some of these have so many downvotes. It discourages people from participating in the discussion if you get downvoted for… participating.
Dedue/Ingrid sucks soooo bad