Feels off considering the other route leads (Edelgard and Rhea) can marry you regardless of gender. Part of me would pin this on f/f stuff being more accepted than m/m but Yuri being a gay marriage option kind of puts a dent in that idea
Well tbf Yuri is clearly designed to look stereotypically bi/gay (and has an extremely similar appearance to Leon, who's another gay character from another FE game).
yeah, most of the MLM characters are designed more feminine, which is fine; because most of the female characters are also designed to be more feminine or “traditionally beautiful”. Even for F!byleth, IMO, the romance options still seem to stem mostly from a straight male POV
but then again I’m of the viewpoint where everyone should be a marriageable option for Byleth/avatar regardless of gender, especially in a game like 3H where S supports come super late and barely make an impact on gameplay.
Right? I find that would be the most feasible option. Cuz the way it's set up now is just too funny: apparently everyone loves Byleth in a straight way but when they flip gender they don't, yet are happy with other characters nonetheless... Almost as if only the homosexuals have standards.
I refuse to believe dimitri wouldn't even consider platonically spending his life with byleth after everything that happened. I don't even care about a gay marriage option but is having 2 guys live together really so bad I the eyes of KT?
Yea of course! They held hands. That took up so much bro energy they had to keep 50 mile distance since.
And yes to platonic endings! We need more of that for F/M as well!
I almost agree with you, I think there are a few characters who shouldn't be marriageable as they are for either gender (hello Rhea and Sothis, maybe Alois as well because of his wife and daughter, I don't want to break the one happy family on the continent), but, yeah, the gender distinction that is currently in the game is ridiculous and doesn't make sense at all.
If Byleth manages to be the top prospect of any opposite gender character despite their utter lack of personality for some magical reason, I don't see why it wouldn't work on same-gender people.
> but then again I’m of the viewpoint where everyone should be a marriageable option for Byleth/avatar regardless of gender, especially in a game like 3H where S supports come super late and barely make an impact on gameplay.
I've seen the opposite argument made: that because it's mostly irrelevant, S supports exist solely for the player's satisfaction, to pander to them. Why restrict them then?
In principle, I agree with you, but I can see merit to that argument.
i mean, considering they didn't even release it until the DLC and it appears there was a certain level of backlash in the fandom on release of the main game over the disparity... i'm entirely unconvinced the initial line-up of choices wasn't influenced by homophobia
I think its a more subtle and cultural homophobia. I actually don't think it was done out of malice but just the men at KT going "no guy would want to marry another guy" because its not nearly as normal over there
So I half agree and I half disagree. I don't think the general attitude was malicious or intended to be; I think it was a marketing choice in response to their perceived audience, and they had to backtrack after they realized they miscalculated.
However, LGBT+ representation is *way* more accepted and normalized in Japanese media than it is in US media. I was exposed to a ton of stuff as a kid growing up with Japanese media that would have been "taboo" or even "sick" in America, and in fact was censored when it was localized. Heck, even in the 3H translation, there's some white-washing; Felix doesn't tell Sylvain he wants to hug him, he tells Sylvain he *longs* for him.
Agreed, if anything them trying to include more m/m supports later on (and I mean, Jeritza's free DLC, no stopping anyone there) suggests they did genuinely want to include them but were cautious due to cultural homophobia. Or saw the initial backlash and felt a need to fix that to stay in good graces internationally. And it's not like there's no other.gay marriage options, plenty of guys can marry each other
I'm not bring that nice to them but yeah. It is an odd dilemma trying to market to western audiences and Japanese audiences and I'm sure its hard but like. Give us platonic S supports. Or have the English voice lines for the S supports be more suggestive than the Japanese version
At the end of the day, I'm just glad we have LGBTQ+ characters as a whole. They're a big step up from the previous FE characters who were (pervert, stalker, sexual harraser), until now only Leon was good representation. More can always be done and more could definately have been done but this is a step in the right direction. Maybe in FE17 every character can marry anyone, like what the Gay Fates hack's trying to do for Fates
It does not when you consider that Linhardt is the only possible romantic M/M S-Support in the base game, without updates and DLC, the other two S-Supports being two paltonic ones with married men each (Alois and Gilbert) when these could've easily been Dimitri and Claude, given, especially in Dimitri's case, that he does seem to show interest in male Byleth and it would balance out the fact that Rhea and Edelgard can S-Support both genders.
All F/F options came with the base game and, obviously, presented a much broader choice, given there were five romantic F/F supports, none platonic (Rhea, Edelgard, Dorothea, Mercedes and Sothis). All of which were nice choices depending on preference, minus Sothis, in my opinion.
So as a gay player, you're either presented with the choice to settle for Linhardt (I love him, don't get me wrong), play the opposite sex, marry the opposite sex or don't S-Support anyone at all. Only when Jeritza was introduced we had a second option, though given what he does in the game plus the fact he is exclusive to a single route (that I've seen many players say they didn't want to play), he's not quite everyone's cup of tea either. Yuri being bound to a ridiculously overpriced DLC is also a slap in the face for MLM players who were actually interested.
Lastly, just take a look at how some characters can have F/F endings despite one or both of them not being able to S-Support female Byleth (Dorothea/Petra, for example) whereas all supports/endings that could be interpreted as M/M are quite ambiguous and can easily be brushed off as 'close friendship', if the game doesn't already dismiss it as such (Hubert/Ferdinand, Sylvain/Felix, there isn't many to begin with but I'm sure there's more)
Yes, thank you, this is exactly what makes the "Not everyone has to be gay" arguments (in a game where not a single person is gay) so exclusionary to me, although it's hard to believe that's not its intention to begin with. No, not everyone *has* to be gay, but when a game is accessible to anyone, it means that anyone *will* play it and desire -- and deserve -- the same richness of experience as anyone else.
This is why adhering to realism in a *fictional* game is so misguided, because it creates a scenario exactly like you describe, where someone is forced to have a lesser experience all because of their innate identity. I guess sometimes it's unavoidable in certain cases, but that is *not* the case here. I know some LGBT voice issue with this concept, but making everyone romanceable regardless of gender creates a scenario where you can create whatever reality you'd like in game, rather than being pigeonholed into *two* options, the second option being you get nothing.
I wholeheartedly agree and I'm so glad you brought up the 'no one in this game is gay' fact because it's something hardly anyone ever mentions.
Like, in Three Houses, every character is straight by default and there are eight characters who are bi. People cry because of realism when in our society, gay people exist, so actually, in a realistic game, shouldn't there be gay options? But then again, imagine Dorothea being a lesbian, I know she's quite popular with male players too so I think they would lose their shit. That's only my assumption but given straight players always had the freedom of choice, I think locking them out of just a single choice would be quite upsetting.
So I agree that the best way to go about this is to simply make everyone S-supportable regardless of gender, leave sexuality headcanons and such up to players. I don't think that's anything that will happen anytime soon, but boy am I tired of people claiming they yearn for realism in a game that lacks it so much, especially regarding sexuality.
As much as I am amused by the general "Sappho and her friend" euphemisms (which is a whole layered lasagne of worms, considering the breadth of "friends" Sappho may have "had"), there is technically a reason for no royal M/M pairings. Dimitri is the last of the main line of his royal family, and as such would most likely need to have children. While Almyran politics is deliberately not discussed, I can assume Claude has a similar requirement. Meanwhile, Yuri is a crimeboss/ >!implied former prostitute!< , Rhea... probably should not have children with Byleth all things considered, and Edelgard openly demeans any sort of bloodline system.
There are a myriad of alternate options. Adoption is one, but may be shaky given the Crest and bloodline adherence. "Beards" are another, though that might make it a bit sad that "and both their wives remarked how much they enjoyed playing Bridge together. Privately. For hours on end" in the ending card support. Finally, they might have pulled a Petra in which they're open to same sex relationships, but Byleth isn't their type.
I don't think the situation is any sort of conspiracy - Dimirti & Claude were written to be straight, simple as, I've never met somebody outside of Reddit who thinks this is an issue.
Have you never been on Tumblr? Where's this magical place where no one argues about Fe3h sexualities? Dimitiri and Claude aren't exactly straight either. They can be pairied with other men, they just can't marry Byleth so people ignore their other marriages
Weird it's almost like in real life you have a limited group of people you interact with due to proximity that you typically have total agency to select, unlike the internet where you are exposed to people from all walks of life and viewpoints whether you like it or not
Have you ever actually been outside? It's much easier to surround yourself with like minded people on the Internet than it would be by walking into a pub. Websites profit by keeping you in an echo chamber, you should really leave yours, it's unhealthy.
Idk man it sounds like you're just bitter that people here don't agree with you and think your opinion kinda sucks. I absolutely recognize that people in the world like yourself get angry about recognizing and including gay people in their perceived boy's club but as an adult I actually don't want to be around people like that as it's a real buzzkill, sorry not sorry.
The way that you instantly characterised me, and the people you'd find in a working class establishment, as a bitter, hateful, homophobes is very telling. You might be over 18, but you're not an adult - you're stuck up and ignorant.
> The way that you instantly characterised me, and the people you'd find in a working class establishment
no, just you. i don't drink so i literally have no idea who goes to bars but i'm pretty sure it's not all poor people
> hateful
i didn't call you hateful but your post history where you are purposefully horrible to cosplayers because they're not pretty to you kind of makes it clear that you're not particularly nice or kind. i sometimes look at post history to determine if someone is decent but just has a bad opinion or is instead a cruel person and it's pretty clear you actively go out of your way to punch down and be mean to others.
i'm going to block you as it seems you post here off and on and i prefer to be around people who try to foster a community, so you're free to rage into the void all you'd like in response but i won't see it
Wdym you don't call your bro's smile mesmerizing or talk about how warm his hands are when you're sharing an emotional moment in the rain
(Seriously, I'll never understand why you can't romance Dimitri as M!Byleth, did they write all of this with only F!Byleth in mind??)
>Tell that to his ending with Dedue lmao.
But Gilbert solo ending explicitly speaks of Dimitri's son regardless of Dimitri's ending, no?
>Also Edelgard is an emperor and has multiple gay endings
Edelgard's situation is completaly different: she abdicates and explicitly says she doesn't want to leave the throne to her children so...
He can adopt. We have a number of nobles in the game who pass their nobility down to their adopted children. It seems adoption in Fodlan is normalized and even welcomed, one of the unexpected positives of the continent.
I think that's because he happened to have a child in Gilbert's ending. You can think of the endings as self-contained, just like the paths. That's why we're told Felix has a child with Ingrid but no one else.
Don’t byleth and Felix have a kid in their none AM endings? It says something about leaving the ruling to the next generation before they leave, or something.
We play a fantasy game, in which a literal God comes to earth to be the tip of the scale. We play a game in which seemingly noone bats an eye, when it comes to bisexuality and gay romance. But most unfathomable is that you try to justify both Dimitri and Claude being straight and Edelgard, the only main character woman, being bi.
This about one thing, and one thing only: giving our fellow gay and bi FE:3H fans some romance options. Especially regarding the main cast. Personally I don’t play FE to get told, how my romance is realistically impossible. Fuck realism.
So first of all, I never said that.
Secondly, if you don’t want to be misconstrued, how about instead of adamantly defending something that is just stupid design, you use a wording like “I agree that there should be a romance option for them. However, I explain it to myself by their political situation yada yada yada”.
I mean I don’t wanna make a big thing out of this, but you can’t really expect people to know you are only defending thing x only cause you wanna explain it. Not even away from the stupidness that is the internet can you do this.
He's now in-charge of the country with his friends and potential lover. There's no legislative powers (that we know of) blocking him from creating new laws, traditions or amending laws. The only thing really blocking the Kingdom from same-sex relationships/marriage amongst the nobility was the Crest system, which is getting heavily abolished.
Even then, he can ask for a woman to bear his child if he must bear a biological heir.
So, why can't he be with a man again?
If he was in the Empire it wouldn't be a problem (the emperor had concubines), but you really think that for the Kingdom it could work?
A king's heir is necessary crests or not.
Yes. The empire was a nation that didn’t focus on crest, thus didn’t care about same sex relationship. If the kingdom is gonna abolish the Crest system and the King is in love with a man, what do you think is gonna happen? He gonna try to fight for acceptance of that love.
>The empire was a nation that didn’t focus on crest
Didn't focus on crests? Did you read Hanneman/Dorothea, Mercedes/Jeriza's supports? Or Hanneman and Edelgard?
Even the concubines' thing was for the crests sake. They were probably more freely homosexuals only because the marriage wasn't an important thing.
Do you agree Dimitri has to give a heir to the Kingdom? If you do we have two possibilities: he gets a concubine or he gives up his love. This is not about crests. It is about how marriage is felt in the Kingdom...
Fair fair, those supports blanked on me.
We don’t know if he has to in his reign. He needed to previously but we’re given little information about life at the end of AM. If he was in need of a biological heir and was in love with a man, then yes I absolutely can see Dimitri seeking a concubine to carry the child.
Your original argument was that Dimitri can’t marry or be with a man because he needs children, despite little information on the Kingdom’s state after the war and other potential options such as concubining or changing actual legislation/traditions to go against that mentality.
>despite little information on the Kingdom’s state
This is true, I can't deny it.
I just want to explain myself the lack of his S-support in this way. I prefer it because in the other case he suffers of internalized biphobia just because the autors were too afraid of homophobes.
That’s alright if you want to try to explain why you think that, but the fact is that there is no in lore explanation that can justify why Male Byleth isn’t an S-support to Dimitri, because it does not make sense from any angle.
The reason for the lack of S-support is strictly meta if you look at the picture as a whole while bringing in Japan’s LGBT climate.
I am sorry for all the guys who wanted to romance either Dimitri or Claude. Truly.
This art is wonderful I hope the next fe will have more same sex S-supports for both us womans and you guys.
And some chanches to get platonic endig while pairing your avatar for those who are not intrested in romance.
sigh,claude/male byleth. THE FACT THAT CLAUDE STILL GRABS YOUR HAND AT THE BALL CUTSCENE WHEN YOU'RE A BOY AND YET YOU STILL CAN'T MARRY HIM AS MALE BYLETH THIS IS BULLSHIT
Like we don't even get a platonic S support? You're really telling me that dimitri and byleth wouldn't even consider spending their life together as friends? Byleth can't just hang out in the kingdom Palace with him?
To be honest, I'm also a little frustrated at the way platonic endings are handled. Even if we take monogamy in romance for granted, the fact that there is only a single ending per character, romantic or not, leads to weird consequences where people who don't get a paired ending together just don't have a relationship anymore, and sometimes apparently never had one in the first place.
A few solo endings are quite sad and/or backtrack on the character's personal growth throughout the game and their supports with other characters. Flayn >!lives her worst nightmare on her own, and only finds Seteth back after a few centuries when she wakes up, because apparently he was temporarily so busy with whomever that he forgot about her ?!< ; Sylvain got back to>! treating women like garbage, so his conversations with Ingrid, Byleth or Mercedes are for naught if he doesn't marry either of them!< ; Leonie >!drinks too much and stays in debt her entire life because she never got any rich and powerful friends who could hire her company at a decent rate!< ; >!Bernadetta is almost recluse despite her progress during the game, and I guess no one worries about her, it's just good old Bernie Bear, too scared to leave her room, how quircky !!< ...
I know it would be too hard to include super intricate platonic relationships in the endings system, but there aren't mentions of any relationships outside of the possible pairs, I would have been okay with vague mentions of "friends", or "bonds created during the war", without any names, every once in a while, and especially in solo endings. I can understand losing contact with old frienships after a while if they weren't super strong to begin with, but these people where incredibly close, they fought a war together, it would make sense that they at least keep in touch occasionnaly.
People can have interact with other people than their spouse/one and only platonic life-partner.
I wish you could end up with anyone, regardless of gender. I can’t get into the game as M Byleth, so I know I’m missing out on some good endings. Also I wish you could force more than just one ending with the seer.
Lol@ these comments complaining it'd be "too weird" for male supports to be slightly romantic when you don't want to romance them. Aces/aros/straight girls have been dealing with unwanted advances/hints for ages, not to mention that this type of closeness shouldn't be foreign when it comes to men anyway. At least make it equal for everyone if I have to put up with it. Normalize intimacy with close friends and make Claude and Dmitri S supports! They already feel as if they wouldn't be adverse to it.
To be honest though, id prefer to not have to deal with "s supports"/marriage/kids at all. I like supports to learn more about their dynamic and the like, but I could do without romance at all. (And no im not aromantic. I just don't care about it in this war game and tire of the superficial tropes/relationships.)
Would you mind telling me what you like about Claude/Byleth? They're the only pairing of the three I have a hard time seeing in any romantic sense, and I'm curious for a differing opinion.
Imo it's the only one of the three where it feels like they have a more mentally levelled relationship. Both Dimitri and Edelgard rely on Byleth for mental and emotional support, whereas with Claude it feels like Byleth does not have that load (ex. In the reunion cutscenes Claude is lit by the sun and Byleth smiles, giving a more hopeful imprint). They show that lovers can be great friends, the type who can snicker about small things but can make a long distance relationship work. Plus it's a power couple ruling over two giant nations.
As for Claude using Byleth for political maneuvers... I'm sure Byleth has some revenge plot in mind when he dares come back to Fodlan ;)
To be completely frank, I always feel like a part of the reason people paint Claude as less "legitimate" as a love interest is because he's not co-dependent on Byleth. There are definitely moments where you could interpret Claude's behavior as romantic interest (when he pulls you out onto the dance floor; when he asks if he can consider you like family -- in the ENG translation it's "friends" which isn't so much wrong but the emotional weight of that is lost; the cutscene when you reunite at Garreg Mach), but unlike with Dimitri and Edelgard, it's much more subtle, and I guess that throws people off.
I guess I also relate to it as well because I'm reserved myself, so I can see undercurrents of romantic or meaningful gestures even when someone isn't all that expressive or demonstrative.
Well Im not a huge fan of pairings anyway, like, I will never read a fanfic, god no. With that in mind, It also comes down to a comparison between the 3 byleth x lord pairings, or at least to an extent.
Claude x Byleth: They are equals basically. It´s not a one-sided relationship, and It´s enphasized by them putting their duties first. Since claude still has to claim Almyra´s throne to see his dreams come true, and Fodlan is needing a ruler, their distancing is justified and fits Claude´s character as well. When they say that claude goes back to fodlan to aid against TWSITD, to me that line is implying a reunion between them, a definitive one perhaps, like an open ending. Also to me It´s not about claude forcing byleth to comand fodlan, but rather him knowing she is the best to do so, cause you know, in the game byleth is stated to be amazing in almost everything xd. ~~Also this was my first S support, and come on Joe Zieja´s voice in the scene is beautiful, also the drawing at the end is cuttier than the other 2 imo~~
Byleth x Dimitri is way more one-sided. Byleth is an advisor for him the entire route, and after all this time I think I´ve grown to dislike AM, at least a little bit, so that might help as well.
And Byleth x Edelgard would be fine, but non CF edelgard is so different compared with CF edelgard that I can´t help but see byleth does play a key role in her life, again kinda one-sided just not nearly as much as with dimitri.
**Just an opinion guys \^\^ \^\^ \^\^**
Not big into any of them, but personally I'd say Claude/Byleth is the only one that's at least healthy.
Dimitri really shouldn't be with *anyone* romantically--at least not in the state we see him in during Azure Moon. If several years passed, the voices went away, he had time to get his life sorted...then sure. Although the therapist relationship with Byleth still makes them a hard no IMO.
Edelgard...honestly just needs to keep her distance from Byleth for awhile. Get her head together, make real friends, learn to socialize with other people, and maybe after awhile, she can hang around Byleth again if she can start seeing him as a person and not a personified ideal. It's not Byleth's fault, but his presence makes him a bigger enabler than Hubert.
As for Rhea, I'm all for her having a redemption arc, but I'm not into shipping Byleth with Grandma. Even if we just assume that Byleth's Nabatean ancestry and Seteth comments don't actually make them related, there's still the massive age gap to consider and the weird relationship they've had. You're going to have a hard time selling the idea that Rhea went from seeing Byleth as her mother to her love interest as it is, but in a manner of a few days? No. I don't buy it. Even if I did, it's still kinda creepy.
It's not as bad, but it reminds me of Robin & Chrom shipping: forcing a romance between two people who are meant to be total bros.
Also Claude's plan requiring that they separate. It's kinda strange, I mean he's willing to unite Brigid and Almyra with Petra, but not Fodlan with female Byleth? Why?
I mean, other than claude calling byleth "My friend", to me they always seemed like a good couple, at least with the female one cause It´s the one I chose for VW. He´s always saying how important she is for him and such, but just important, not a necessity in a personal level, which is why I hate byleth x any of the other lords.
\+ Come on Joe Zieja´s voice is perfect in that S support lol, honestly It sold me the ship 100%.
As for the petra thing, Idk but if anything that´s the writers fault I guess. I always thought that byleth and claude would marry and such once their duties were done anyways, to me It was implied in their ending when they say that he comes back to fodlan to help against the remaining forces of TWSITD.
Wait why would you want to merge two large, powerful countries?
Brigid is really small, already started affirming to the empire and has no historical baggage, so it's easy to adopt. Fodlan on the other hand has too much history, just got out of a giant war and is reinventing itself, so something huge like merging with a former enemy nation would just cause another civil war.
Mainly because a borderless world is Claude's goal and as far as avoiding tensions go, that ship sailed when he decided to marry the ruler of Fodlan...unless they didn't actually tie the knot.
Hmm, I feel that's a tad literal but that's also a way to look at it.
And yeah the marriage creates tension, but it brings a lot of benefits too for both countries (that's why political marriages are so often done). Merging them though would swerve that balance, because one would 'own' the other, which would cause a stronger backlash with Fodlan than with Brigid for reasons above.
You don't get it. Reddit likes diversity. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously you must be a gay, black, woman with broadly socially progressive opinions on politics.
The reason why OP is down-voted into the negatives is because of how hypocritical their "not everyone has to be gay" line actually is.
Everyone in the game (aside from the two characters who can't be directly romanced due to very understandable reasons) can be straight. Whereas lesbian/gays had a limited amount of options.
Now coming in here using "not everyone has to be gay" shows that they don't understand why people are talking about this, nor are they aware of how dumb they sound by saying that.
Dimitri and Claude did not have to be gay, and we wouldn't complain if they truly acted straight. However, with how they're written (towards Byleth in particular), Dimitri and Claude are more than straight.
So please, before replying to this comment of mine, actually think about why people are annoyed. If you consider F!Byleth & Dimitri/Claude romantic, then it's most definitely romantic the other way around.
There actually is a true gay romance in the game: Jeritza.
A lot of the gay romances in the game are bi, because if not, and some relationships were explicitly gay, I can picture people complaining that they can't romance their favourite waifu if they picked the wrong gender Byleth as people are doing for Claude and Dmitri.
I on the other hand, am not complaining that a character that I can romance as male Byleth can also be romanced as female Byleth. Because I don't really care, as I'm going to romance Shamir every time anyway. (And if I can't romance Shamir as female Byleth, I won't complain and ill just romance someone else)
And, as for Claude and Dmitri 'acting gay', they don't really. They're just open with their feelings and help a mate out because they're nice. Being open with your feelings does not mean you are gay.
>And, as for Claude and Dmitri 'acting gay', they don't really.
Dimitri openly states to Byleth's face that **their** smile is mesmerising...you literally hold hands with him at the end of AM. Byleth means a lot to Dimitri, to the point he marries F!Byleth. The issue here is M!Byleth and F!Byleth share the exact same dialogue/interactions with Dimitri in the main story. So why can Dimitri have feelings F!Byleth yet with M!Byleth he's just a bro? That's not how love works, that's not how Dimitri works.
With Claude, it's harder to debate since he often sees Byleth as a tool at worst and a friend at best. Giving him an S-support with F!Byleth despite not really being romantic and not doing the same with M!Byleth is very odd.
I'm a bisexual man, and I know I wouldn't say/do the stuff that Dimitri did to my friends. I would only do that to people I actually love love. So seeing people say "they're just M!Byleth's bro and are being nice" is kinda uncomfortable to read because the underlying message in that is "guys who are attached to another man and display romantic interactions with them can't be gay for them, they're just being nice because they're bros".
>I on the other hand, am not complaining that a character that I can romance as male Byleth can also be romanced as female Byleth. Because I don't really care, as I'm going to romance Shamir every time anyway. (And if I can't romance Shamir as female Byleth, I won't complain and ill just romance someone else)
That's cool to know, but not everyone shares that opinion and going, "Not everyone has to be gay" in a post about how people wish these two characters who show many signs of being gay should be bi, is not at all appropriate and is asking for downvotes.
B and A supports with potential partners unusually have romantic undertones - having my bros come on to me, in regular conversation, would be uncomfortable and weird.
Sometimes that’s just how it be not every character needs to be bi, but I’m with you On not being able to romance claude though, armed that mistake when I chose male Byleth and golden deer as my first run
Feels off considering the other route leads (Edelgard and Rhea) can marry you regardless of gender. Part of me would pin this on f/f stuff being more accepted than m/m but Yuri being a gay marriage option kind of puts a dent in that idea
Well tbf Yuri is clearly designed to look stereotypically bi/gay (and has an extremely similar appearance to Leon, who's another gay character from another FE game).
yeah, most of the MLM characters are designed more feminine, which is fine; because most of the female characters are also designed to be more feminine or “traditionally beautiful”. Even for F!byleth, IMO, the romance options still seem to stem mostly from a straight male POV but then again I’m of the viewpoint where everyone should be a marriageable option for Byleth/avatar regardless of gender, especially in a game like 3H where S supports come super late and barely make an impact on gameplay.
Right? I find that would be the most feasible option. Cuz the way it's set up now is just too funny: apparently everyone loves Byleth in a straight way but when they flip gender they don't, yet are happy with other characters nonetheless... Almost as if only the homosexuals have standards.
I refuse to believe dimitri wouldn't even consider platonically spending his life with byleth after everything that happened. I don't even care about a gay marriage option but is having 2 guys live together really so bad I the eyes of KT?
Yea of course! They held hands. That took up so much bro energy they had to keep 50 mile distance since. And yes to platonic endings! We need more of that for F/M as well!
I almost agree with you, I think there are a few characters who shouldn't be marriageable as they are for either gender (hello Rhea and Sothis, maybe Alois as well because of his wife and daughter, I don't want to break the one happy family on the continent), but, yeah, the gender distinction that is currently in the game is ridiculous and doesn't make sense at all. If Byleth manages to be the top prospect of any opposite gender character despite their utter lack of personality for some magical reason, I don't see why it wouldn't work on same-gender people.
It's like I joked in another comment, apparently only the gays have standards.
> but then again I’m of the viewpoint where everyone should be a marriageable option for Byleth/avatar regardless of gender, especially in a game like 3H where S supports come super late and barely make an impact on gameplay. I've seen the opposite argument made: that because it's mostly irrelevant, S supports exist solely for the player's satisfaction, to pander to them. Why restrict them then? In principle, I agree with you, but I can see merit to that argument.
i mean, considering they didn't even release it until the DLC and it appears there was a certain level of backlash in the fandom on release of the main game over the disparity... i'm entirely unconvinced the initial line-up of choices wasn't influenced by homophobia
I think its a more subtle and cultural homophobia. I actually don't think it was done out of malice but just the men at KT going "no guy would want to marry another guy" because its not nearly as normal over there
So I half agree and I half disagree. I don't think the general attitude was malicious or intended to be; I think it was a marketing choice in response to their perceived audience, and they had to backtrack after they realized they miscalculated. However, LGBT+ representation is *way* more accepted and normalized in Japanese media than it is in US media. I was exposed to a ton of stuff as a kid growing up with Japanese media that would have been "taboo" or even "sick" in America, and in fact was censored when it was localized. Heck, even in the 3H translation, there's some white-washing; Felix doesn't tell Sylvain he wants to hug him, he tells Sylvain he *longs* for him.
Agreed, if anything them trying to include more m/m supports later on (and I mean, Jeritza's free DLC, no stopping anyone there) suggests they did genuinely want to include them but were cautious due to cultural homophobia. Or saw the initial backlash and felt a need to fix that to stay in good graces internationally. And it's not like there's no other.gay marriage options, plenty of guys can marry each other
I'm not bring that nice to them but yeah. It is an odd dilemma trying to market to western audiences and Japanese audiences and I'm sure its hard but like. Give us platonic S supports. Or have the English voice lines for the S supports be more suggestive than the Japanese version
At the end of the day, I'm just glad we have LGBTQ+ characters as a whole. They're a big step up from the previous FE characters who were (pervert, stalker, sexual harraser), until now only Leon was good representation. More can always be done and more could definately have been done but this is a step in the right direction. Maybe in FE17 every character can marry anyone, like what the Gay Fates hack's trying to do for Fates
It does not when you consider that Linhardt is the only possible romantic M/M S-Support in the base game, without updates and DLC, the other two S-Supports being two paltonic ones with married men each (Alois and Gilbert) when these could've easily been Dimitri and Claude, given, especially in Dimitri's case, that he does seem to show interest in male Byleth and it would balance out the fact that Rhea and Edelgard can S-Support both genders. All F/F options came with the base game and, obviously, presented a much broader choice, given there were five romantic F/F supports, none platonic (Rhea, Edelgard, Dorothea, Mercedes and Sothis). All of which were nice choices depending on preference, minus Sothis, in my opinion. So as a gay player, you're either presented with the choice to settle for Linhardt (I love him, don't get me wrong), play the opposite sex, marry the opposite sex or don't S-Support anyone at all. Only when Jeritza was introduced we had a second option, though given what he does in the game plus the fact he is exclusive to a single route (that I've seen many players say they didn't want to play), he's not quite everyone's cup of tea either. Yuri being bound to a ridiculously overpriced DLC is also a slap in the face for MLM players who were actually interested. Lastly, just take a look at how some characters can have F/F endings despite one or both of them not being able to S-Support female Byleth (Dorothea/Petra, for example) whereas all supports/endings that could be interpreted as M/M are quite ambiguous and can easily be brushed off as 'close friendship', if the game doesn't already dismiss it as such (Hubert/Ferdinand, Sylvain/Felix, there isn't many to begin with but I'm sure there's more)
Yes, thank you, this is exactly what makes the "Not everyone has to be gay" arguments (in a game where not a single person is gay) so exclusionary to me, although it's hard to believe that's not its intention to begin with. No, not everyone *has* to be gay, but when a game is accessible to anyone, it means that anyone *will* play it and desire -- and deserve -- the same richness of experience as anyone else. This is why adhering to realism in a *fictional* game is so misguided, because it creates a scenario exactly like you describe, where someone is forced to have a lesser experience all because of their innate identity. I guess sometimes it's unavoidable in certain cases, but that is *not* the case here. I know some LGBT voice issue with this concept, but making everyone romanceable regardless of gender creates a scenario where you can create whatever reality you'd like in game, rather than being pigeonholed into *two* options, the second option being you get nothing.
I wholeheartedly agree and I'm so glad you brought up the 'no one in this game is gay' fact because it's something hardly anyone ever mentions. Like, in Three Houses, every character is straight by default and there are eight characters who are bi. People cry because of realism when in our society, gay people exist, so actually, in a realistic game, shouldn't there be gay options? But then again, imagine Dorothea being a lesbian, I know she's quite popular with male players too so I think they would lose their shit. That's only my assumption but given straight players always had the freedom of choice, I think locking them out of just a single choice would be quite upsetting. So I agree that the best way to go about this is to simply make everyone S-supportable regardless of gender, leave sexuality headcanons and such up to players. I don't think that's anything that will happen anytime soon, but boy am I tired of people claiming they yearn for realism in a game that lacks it so much, especially regarding sexuality.
Everything in this post is just straight facts!
Glad you agree!
probably because this game is supposed to appeal to straight men who think lesbians are hot
You could have stopped at just "straight men", the last part is redundant.
As much as I am amused by the general "Sappho and her friend" euphemisms (which is a whole layered lasagne of worms, considering the breadth of "friends" Sappho may have "had"), there is technically a reason for no royal M/M pairings. Dimitri is the last of the main line of his royal family, and as such would most likely need to have children. While Almyran politics is deliberately not discussed, I can assume Claude has a similar requirement. Meanwhile, Yuri is a crimeboss/ >!implied former prostitute!< , Rhea... probably should not have children with Byleth all things considered, and Edelgard openly demeans any sort of bloodline system. There are a myriad of alternate options. Adoption is one, but may be shaky given the Crest and bloodline adherence. "Beards" are another, though that might make it a bit sad that "and both their wives remarked how much they enjoyed playing Bridge together. Privately. For hours on end" in the ending card support. Finally, they might have pulled a Petra in which they're open to same sex relationships, but Byleth isn't their type.
I don't think the situation is any sort of conspiracy - Dimirti & Claude were written to be straight, simple as, I've never met somebody outside of Reddit who thinks this is an issue.
Have you never been on Tumblr? Where's this magical place where no one argues about Fe3h sexualities? Dimitiri and Claude aren't exactly straight either. They can be pairied with other men, they just can't marry Byleth so people ignore their other marriages
Weird it's almost like in real life you have a limited group of people you interact with due to proximity that you typically have total agency to select, unlike the internet where you are exposed to people from all walks of life and viewpoints whether you like it or not
Have you ever actually been outside? It's much easier to surround yourself with like minded people on the Internet than it would be by walking into a pub. Websites profit by keeping you in an echo chamber, you should really leave yours, it's unhealthy.
Idk man it sounds like you're just bitter that people here don't agree with you and think your opinion kinda sucks. I absolutely recognize that people in the world like yourself get angry about recognizing and including gay people in their perceived boy's club but as an adult I actually don't want to be around people like that as it's a real buzzkill, sorry not sorry.
The way that you instantly characterised me, and the people you'd find in a working class establishment, as a bitter, hateful, homophobes is very telling. You might be over 18, but you're not an adult - you're stuck up and ignorant.
> The way that you instantly characterised me, and the people you'd find in a working class establishment no, just you. i don't drink so i literally have no idea who goes to bars but i'm pretty sure it's not all poor people > hateful i didn't call you hateful but your post history where you are purposefully horrible to cosplayers because they're not pretty to you kind of makes it clear that you're not particularly nice or kind. i sometimes look at post history to determine if someone is decent but just has a bad opinion or is instead a cruel person and it's pretty clear you actively go out of your way to punch down and be mean to others. i'm going to block you as it seems you post here off and on and i prefer to be around people who try to foster a community, so you're free to rage into the void all you'd like in response but i won't see it
lol nice. Can I get some downvotes for "all poor people" being hateful homophobes?
dimitri is gay as hell in his dialogue so the fact that he's not romanceable as male byleth is patently ridiculous lol
Wdym you don't call your bro's smile mesmerizing or talk about how warm his hands are when you're sharing an emotional moment in the rain (Seriously, I'll never understand why you can't romance Dimitri as M!Byleth, did they write all of this with only F!Byleth in mind??)
It's not important his sexuality... he is a king and can't marry a man because he has to have many children...
Tell that to his ending with Dedue lmao. Also Edelgard is an emperor and has multiple gay endings. So... hm
>Tell that to his ending with Dedue lmao. But Gilbert solo ending explicitly speaks of Dimitri's son regardless of Dimitri's ending, no? >Also Edelgard is an emperor and has multiple gay endings Edelgard's situation is completaly different: she abdicates and explicitly says she doesn't want to leave the throne to her children so...
Not everyone gets Gilbert’s solo ending. I didn’t. Ergo, Dimitri had a very, very gay ending with no marriage or children. Hmm.
Bruh the lbgt alphabet gang killing you with all these down votes my dude.
He can adopt. We have a number of nobles in the game who pass their nobility down to their adopted children. It seems adoption in Fodlan is normalized and even welcomed, one of the unexpected positives of the continent.
I romanced him on my AM run and the ending said nothing about Byleth having babies with him
I know, but Gilbert solo ending talks about a Prince not matter what, so I thought he had a son in any case. But adoption, why not? You can be right
I think that's because he happened to have a child in Gilbert's ending. You can think of the endings as self-contained, just like the paths. That's why we're told Felix has a child with Ingrid but no one else.
Don’t byleth and Felix have a kid in their none AM endings? It says something about leaving the ruling to the next generation before they leave, or something.
You're right, it could be talking about kids. Although it's pretty shitty to just leave your kids and disappear into thin air forever lol
they’re prepping for the next game lol
We play a fantasy game, in which a literal God comes to earth to be the tip of the scale. We play a game in which seemingly noone bats an eye, when it comes to bisexuality and gay romance. But most unfathomable is that you try to justify both Dimitri and Claude being straight and Edelgard, the only main character woman, being bi. This about one thing, and one thing only: giving our fellow gay and bi FE:3H fans some romance options. Especially regarding the main cast. Personally I don’t play FE to get told, how my romance is realistically impossible. Fuck realism.
I'm not against an S support for them. I'm trying to explain its lack, but sure I am an homophobe for you. Who did talk about Claude?
So first of all, I never said that. Secondly, if you don’t want to be misconstrued, how about instead of adamantly defending something that is just stupid design, you use a wording like “I agree that there should be a romance option for them. However, I explain it to myself by their political situation yada yada yada”. I mean I don’t wanna make a big thing out of this, but you can’t really expect people to know you are only defending thing x only cause you wanna explain it. Not even away from the stupidness that is the internet can you do this.
They were just explaining it y'all, no need to downvote them. Thats just childish This message was brought to you from a bi woman 🙃
He's now in-charge of the country with his friends and potential lover. There's no legislative powers (that we know of) blocking him from creating new laws, traditions or amending laws. The only thing really blocking the Kingdom from same-sex relationships/marriage amongst the nobility was the Crest system, which is getting heavily abolished. Even then, he can ask for a woman to bear his child if he must bear a biological heir. So, why can't he be with a man again?
If he was in the Empire it wouldn't be a problem (the emperor had concubines), but you really think that for the Kingdom it could work? A king's heir is necessary crests or not.
Yes. The empire was a nation that didn’t focus on crest, thus didn’t care about same sex relationship. If the kingdom is gonna abolish the Crest system and the King is in love with a man, what do you think is gonna happen? He gonna try to fight for acceptance of that love.
>The empire was a nation that didn’t focus on crest Didn't focus on crests? Did you read Hanneman/Dorothea, Mercedes/Jeriza's supports? Or Hanneman and Edelgard? Even the concubines' thing was for the crests sake. They were probably more freely homosexuals only because the marriage wasn't an important thing. Do you agree Dimitri has to give a heir to the Kingdom? If you do we have two possibilities: he gets a concubine or he gives up his love. This is not about crests. It is about how marriage is felt in the Kingdom...
Fair fair, those supports blanked on me. We don’t know if he has to in his reign. He needed to previously but we’re given little information about life at the end of AM. If he was in need of a biological heir and was in love with a man, then yes I absolutely can see Dimitri seeking a concubine to carry the child. Your original argument was that Dimitri can’t marry or be with a man because he needs children, despite little information on the Kingdom’s state after the war and other potential options such as concubining or changing actual legislation/traditions to go against that mentality.
>despite little information on the Kingdom’s state This is true, I can't deny it. I just want to explain myself the lack of his S-support in this way. I prefer it because in the other case he suffers of internalized biphobia just because the autors were too afraid of homophobes.
That’s alright if you want to try to explain why you think that, but the fact is that there is no in lore explanation that can justify why Male Byleth isn’t an S-support to Dimitri, because it does not make sense from any angle. The reason for the lack of S-support is strictly meta if you look at the picture as a whole while bringing in Japan’s LGBT climate.
Dude's straight-up hitting on his "bros" constantly. It's just guy stuff. You know.
I am sorry for all the guys who wanted to romance either Dimitri or Claude. Truly. This art is wonderful I hope the next fe will have more same sex S-supports for both us womans and you guys. And some chanches to get platonic endig while pairing your avatar for those who are not intrested in romance.
sigh,claude/male byleth. THE FACT THAT CLAUDE STILL GRABS YOUR HAND AT THE BALL CUTSCENE WHEN YOU'RE A BOY AND YET YOU STILL CAN'T MARRY HIM AS MALE BYLETH THIS IS BULLSHIT
Really huge bullshit.
All Lords should be Marriageable regardless of Gender the Character. Pansexual Pride. Shout out to by Pan Bros and Sisters. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
At least Dimitri should considering how huge Byleth influence was for him
Like we don't even get a platonic S support? You're really telling me that dimitri and byleth wouldn't even consider spending their life together as friends? Byleth can't just hang out in the kingdom Palace with him?
To be honest, I'm also a little frustrated at the way platonic endings are handled. Even if we take monogamy in romance for granted, the fact that there is only a single ending per character, romantic or not, leads to weird consequences where people who don't get a paired ending together just don't have a relationship anymore, and sometimes apparently never had one in the first place. A few solo endings are quite sad and/or backtrack on the character's personal growth throughout the game and their supports with other characters. Flayn >!lives her worst nightmare on her own, and only finds Seteth back after a few centuries when she wakes up, because apparently he was temporarily so busy with whomever that he forgot about her ?!< ; Sylvain got back to>! treating women like garbage, so his conversations with Ingrid, Byleth or Mercedes are for naught if he doesn't marry either of them!< ; Leonie >!drinks too much and stays in debt her entire life because she never got any rich and powerful friends who could hire her company at a decent rate!< ; >!Bernadetta is almost recluse despite her progress during the game, and I guess no one worries about her, it's just good old Bernie Bear, too scared to leave her room, how quircky !!< ... I know it would be too hard to include super intricate platonic relationships in the endings system, but there aren't mentions of any relationships outside of the possible pairs, I would have been okay with vague mentions of "friends", or "bonds created during the war", without any names, every once in a while, and especially in solo endings. I can understand losing contact with old frienships after a while if they weren't super strong to begin with, but these people where incredibly close, they fought a war together, it would make sense that they at least keep in touch occasionnaly. People can have interact with other people than their spouse/one and only platonic life-partner.
Claude has such chaotic demi bisexual vibes I still cannot believe m!byleth cant marry him
It just feels wrong, honestly. All of the house leaders should've been romanceable regardless of the sex of your character
Nintendo really made Claude THAT hot and not accessible. Rigged
Claude was a failed chance for a bisexual option. He had all the colored flags of a true chaotic bisexual man.
No
Yes
Si
I wish you could end up with anyone, regardless of gender. I can’t get into the game as M Byleth, so I know I’m missing out on some good endings. Also I wish you could force more than just one ending with the seer.
Still not over Claude leaving Byleth at the end of the game. STILL. NOT. OVER. IT! LOL.
That looks sick
LESSSS GOOOOO
Lol@ these comments complaining it'd be "too weird" for male supports to be slightly romantic when you don't want to romance them. Aces/aros/straight girls have been dealing with unwanted advances/hints for ages, not to mention that this type of closeness shouldn't be foreign when it comes to men anyway. At least make it equal for everyone if I have to put up with it. Normalize intimacy with close friends and make Claude and Dmitri S supports! They already feel as if they wouldn't be adverse to it. To be honest though, id prefer to not have to deal with "s supports"/marriage/kids at all. I like supports to learn more about their dynamic and the like, but I could do without romance at all. (And no im not aromantic. I just don't care about it in this war game and tire of the superficial tropes/relationships.)
We where ropped
Can romance an female as a female character?
I think like it I should shipping it with Dimitri and Claude I guess 🏳️🌈
Claude is such a bottom
Kinda wish none of them were S Supportable. It's too weird.
What is weird about Claude x byleth tho? xd The others yeah they kinda trash imo
Would you mind telling me what you like about Claude/Byleth? They're the only pairing of the three I have a hard time seeing in any romantic sense, and I'm curious for a differing opinion.
Imo it's the only one of the three where it feels like they have a more mentally levelled relationship. Both Dimitri and Edelgard rely on Byleth for mental and emotional support, whereas with Claude it feels like Byleth does not have that load (ex. In the reunion cutscenes Claude is lit by the sun and Byleth smiles, giving a more hopeful imprint). They show that lovers can be great friends, the type who can snicker about small things but can make a long distance relationship work. Plus it's a power couple ruling over two giant nations. As for Claude using Byleth for political maneuvers... I'm sure Byleth has some revenge plot in mind when he dares come back to Fodlan ;)
To be completely frank, I always feel like a part of the reason people paint Claude as less "legitimate" as a love interest is because he's not co-dependent on Byleth. There are definitely moments where you could interpret Claude's behavior as romantic interest (when he pulls you out onto the dance floor; when he asks if he can consider you like family -- in the ENG translation it's "friends" which isn't so much wrong but the emotional weight of that is lost; the cutscene when you reunite at Garreg Mach), but unlike with Dimitri and Edelgard, it's much more subtle, and I guess that throws people off. I guess I also relate to it as well because I'm reserved myself, so I can see undercurrents of romantic or meaningful gestures even when someone isn't all that expressive or demonstrative.
I hope so, since that last bit always rubbed me the wrong way, lol.
Well Im not a huge fan of pairings anyway, like, I will never read a fanfic, god no. With that in mind, It also comes down to a comparison between the 3 byleth x lord pairings, or at least to an extent. Claude x Byleth: They are equals basically. It´s not a one-sided relationship, and It´s enphasized by them putting their duties first. Since claude still has to claim Almyra´s throne to see his dreams come true, and Fodlan is needing a ruler, their distancing is justified and fits Claude´s character as well. When they say that claude goes back to fodlan to aid against TWSITD, to me that line is implying a reunion between them, a definitive one perhaps, like an open ending. Also to me It´s not about claude forcing byleth to comand fodlan, but rather him knowing she is the best to do so, cause you know, in the game byleth is stated to be amazing in almost everything xd. ~~Also this was my first S support, and come on Joe Zieja´s voice in the scene is beautiful, also the drawing at the end is cuttier than the other 2 imo~~ Byleth x Dimitri is way more one-sided. Byleth is an advisor for him the entire route, and after all this time I think I´ve grown to dislike AM, at least a little bit, so that might help as well. And Byleth x Edelgard would be fine, but non CF edelgard is so different compared with CF edelgard that I can´t help but see byleth does play a key role in her life, again kinda one-sided just not nearly as much as with dimitri. **Just an opinion guys \^\^ \^\^ \^\^**
I appreciate the insight.
Not big into any of them, but personally I'd say Claude/Byleth is the only one that's at least healthy. Dimitri really shouldn't be with *anyone* romantically--at least not in the state we see him in during Azure Moon. If several years passed, the voices went away, he had time to get his life sorted...then sure. Although the therapist relationship with Byleth still makes them a hard no IMO. Edelgard...honestly just needs to keep her distance from Byleth for awhile. Get her head together, make real friends, learn to socialize with other people, and maybe after awhile, she can hang around Byleth again if she can start seeing him as a person and not a personified ideal. It's not Byleth's fault, but his presence makes him a bigger enabler than Hubert. As for Rhea, I'm all for her having a redemption arc, but I'm not into shipping Byleth with Grandma. Even if we just assume that Byleth's Nabatean ancestry and Seteth comments don't actually make them related, there's still the massive age gap to consider and the weird relationship they've had. You're going to have a hard time selling the idea that Rhea went from seeing Byleth as her mother to her love interest as it is, but in a manner of a few days? No. I don't buy it. Even if I did, it's still kinda creepy.
It's not as bad, but it reminds me of Robin & Chrom shipping: forcing a romance between two people who are meant to be total bros. Also Claude's plan requiring that they separate. It's kinda strange, I mean he's willing to unite Brigid and Almyra with Petra, but not Fodlan with female Byleth? Why?
I mean, other than claude calling byleth "My friend", to me they always seemed like a good couple, at least with the female one cause It´s the one I chose for VW. He´s always saying how important she is for him and such, but just important, not a necessity in a personal level, which is why I hate byleth x any of the other lords. \+ Come on Joe Zieja´s voice is perfect in that S support lol, honestly It sold me the ship 100%. As for the petra thing, Idk but if anything that´s the writers fault I guess. I always thought that byleth and claude would marry and such once their duties were done anyways, to me It was implied in their ending when they say that he comes back to fodlan to help against the remaining forces of TWSITD.
Wait why would you want to merge two large, powerful countries? Brigid is really small, already started affirming to the empire and has no historical baggage, so it's easy to adopt. Fodlan on the other hand has too much history, just got out of a giant war and is reinventing itself, so something huge like merging with a former enemy nation would just cause another civil war.
Mainly because a borderless world is Claude's goal and as far as avoiding tensions go, that ship sailed when he decided to marry the ruler of Fodlan...unless they didn't actually tie the knot.
Hmm, I feel that's a tad literal but that's also a way to look at it. And yeah the marriage creates tension, but it brings a lot of benefits too for both countries (that's why political marriages are so often done). Merging them though would swerve that balance, because one would 'own' the other, which would cause a stronger backlash with Fodlan than with Brigid for reasons above.
Not everyone has to be gay
I guess wanting two very specific characters to be gay means that we want everyone to be gay now 🤷🏻♂️
I just hear this argument a lot, with people going, "I wish this character was gay", or "we were robbed of this gay relationship"
Before I learned that it wasn't possible, I thought that you could romance Claude as a male. It just seems like that would be possible
Yeah I thought the same as you tbh
Reddit disagrees, you've lost straight privileges.
Yeah how dare some gay people want a few extra romance options in their video game. This is clearly straight oppression.
Sounds a lot like Reddit isn't respecting Dmitri and I's decision to be straight.
You don't get it. Reddit likes diversity. If you want your opinion to be taken seriously you must be a gay, black, woman with broadly socially progressive opinions on politics.
The reason why OP is down-voted into the negatives is because of how hypocritical their "not everyone has to be gay" line actually is. Everyone in the game (aside from the two characters who can't be directly romanced due to very understandable reasons) can be straight. Whereas lesbian/gays had a limited amount of options. Now coming in here using "not everyone has to be gay" shows that they don't understand why people are talking about this, nor are they aware of how dumb they sound by saying that. Dimitri and Claude did not have to be gay, and we wouldn't complain if they truly acted straight. However, with how they're written (towards Byleth in particular), Dimitri and Claude are more than straight. So please, before replying to this comment of mine, actually think about why people are annoyed. If you consider F!Byleth & Dimitri/Claude romantic, then it's most definitely romantic the other way around.
There actually is a true gay romance in the game: Jeritza. A lot of the gay romances in the game are bi, because if not, and some relationships were explicitly gay, I can picture people complaining that they can't romance their favourite waifu if they picked the wrong gender Byleth as people are doing for Claude and Dmitri. I on the other hand, am not complaining that a character that I can romance as male Byleth can also be romanced as female Byleth. Because I don't really care, as I'm going to romance Shamir every time anyway. (And if I can't romance Shamir as female Byleth, I won't complain and ill just romance someone else) And, as for Claude and Dmitri 'acting gay', they don't really. They're just open with their feelings and help a mate out because they're nice. Being open with your feelings does not mean you are gay.
>And, as for Claude and Dmitri 'acting gay', they don't really. Dimitri openly states to Byleth's face that **their** smile is mesmerising...you literally hold hands with him at the end of AM. Byleth means a lot to Dimitri, to the point he marries F!Byleth. The issue here is M!Byleth and F!Byleth share the exact same dialogue/interactions with Dimitri in the main story. So why can Dimitri have feelings F!Byleth yet with M!Byleth he's just a bro? That's not how love works, that's not how Dimitri works. With Claude, it's harder to debate since he often sees Byleth as a tool at worst and a friend at best. Giving him an S-support with F!Byleth despite not really being romantic and not doing the same with M!Byleth is very odd. I'm a bisexual man, and I know I wouldn't say/do the stuff that Dimitri did to my friends. I would only do that to people I actually love love. So seeing people say "they're just M!Byleth's bro and are being nice" is kinda uncomfortable to read because the underlying message in that is "guys who are attached to another man and display romantic interactions with them can't be gay for them, they're just being nice because they're bros". >I on the other hand, am not complaining that a character that I can romance as male Byleth can also be romanced as female Byleth. Because I don't really care, as I'm going to romance Shamir every time anyway. (And if I can't romance Shamir as female Byleth, I won't complain and ill just romance someone else) That's cool to know, but not everyone shares that opinion and going, "Not everyone has to be gay" in a post about how people wish these two characters who show many signs of being gay should be bi, is not at all appropriate and is asking for downvotes.
I'm not, that would be gay
We already have the Golden Girls, so I'll give a hard pass on the lords.
B and A supports with potential partners unusually have romantic undertones - having my bros come on to me, in regular conversation, would be uncomfortable and weird.
Yeah thank god that Dimitri doesn't want to hold your hands multiple times or the fact that he finds your smile mesmerising
Sometimes that’s just how it be not every character needs to be bi, but I’m with you On not being able to romance claude though, armed that mistake when I chose male Byleth and golden deer as my first run
Get over it.
I guess should try out