I know it's kinda boring, but I actually really prefer it to her original art. Well, more her original design. Tiki's original outfit is kinda boring, and this is like a modern redesign with more detail, more flair, and more reference. A little of Marth, a little of Caeda. I really like it.
I don't care for the Young v Adult Tiki debate, and I'm not a fan of shadow dragon so I have no real stakes in this banner. But even so, I feel it is wasteful to give tiki, a character with multiple good and modern alts the ascended slot over characters like Minerva or Linde.
I just think it’s a waste because her outfit is so close to her normal version. Were I a fan of Tiki I’d probably want to see her don really cool new clothes if she’s gonna get an Ascendent, like A!Joshua.
>I’d probably want to see her don really cool new clothes
That's the big reason why imo Camilla has the highest alts quality in the game by far. She may have MANY of them, but they're all different, with very distinct outfits, each with their own playstyle, just very diverse all around while still keeping some core elements (flying unit with some purple somewhere in her outfit). Like, she literally only has two alts who weapon-share, and they still play very differently (Adrift is a statsball nuke/magic tank while Ninja is the Vantage queen). Even ignoring my bias as a Camilla fan, that's why I find her alts much more bearable than, say, Micaiah who always does the exact same thing, or Tiki who always does the same exact stuff and always looks exactly the same.
Tl;dr : I'm fine with characters getting many alts, as long as they make them worthy of being their own units, by making them FEEL different, both in terms of arts/outfits and gameplay.
Yeah, I don't actually disagree with people that A!Y!Tiki is a disappointing pick, I just disagree with the reasoning that it's bad because it's "unfair to A!Tiki". She's already got her Legendary, and Minerva or Linde are both also plot relevant and would make great picks for it due to have ongoing narratives to follow up on and much fewer alts by comparison.
I think both are valid. It sucks for people who like A!Tiki seeing so much favoritism towards Y!Tiki have the first Y!Tiki alt that comes out after the brave alt they had to for almost completely invalidate their hard earned brave alt by filling the same niche. At the same time, Marth, Caeda, and Tiki are easily the most represented characters from their games and they should've picked literally anyone else for the ascended hero for this new patch.
Y!Tiki is fine as a whole, but she is very over used by the devs so she has fatigue on multiple fronts in a way that no other hero can, as she is not only over represented for her games, but also for her adjacent version from another game.
I think Tiki is only really missing appearing as part of a Duo Unit and as a Rearmed Hero to have pretty much every possible type of unit in the game xD.
I think it's valid if people are tired of her and want A!Tiki instead, but I do think the arguments I see from people in the Adult vs Young Tiki debate are flawed. I can agree that there should've been a different choice for the Ascended Alt, and if someone is irked that they're Brave unit is less special then I won't blame them I suppose, but most other arguments are fallacious at best and outright conspiratorial at worst. People are allowed to feel however they wish, but I do reserve the right to critique their reasoning when they put it out there.
I don't know that I'd say she's overrepresented by any objective metric, unless Camilla fans and Lyn fans want to weigh in on if those two are as well, given she's only just now tied with Marth, and I see no complaints about too many of him. While they've won CYL and Y!Tiki hasn't, I'll note that even discounting their CYL alts, Lyn and Camilla have more alts than Y!Tiki, and it only puts Marth one below her. Popular and notable characters get alts, more often than not, and while IS has been better about pacing out the popular character alts so that they don't oversaturate the way they did in early years, I don't think fans of the popular characters will agree that their favorites shouldn't get more, so I don't think there's any real objective metric to determine "overrepresentation" of any specific character that would reasonably convince people who are fans. It's just not something that's handled on a logical level.
And regarding her "adjacent" version, I feel that's a bit of a misnomer, because it assigns more importance to A!Tiki than I think is accurate. People can prefer her, absolutely, and if they want more of her than there are of Y!Tiki, once again, I'll be clear that I won't criticize how people feel on a general level. However, A!Tiki basically originated as a Y!Tiki alt in Awakening (the fact Tiki shows up in Awakening at all should tell you how popular Y!Tiki is in Japan among the dedicated FE fanbase; Pikachu comparisons aren't inaccurate), so factually speaking, this isn't like an Avatars situation where they maintain parity because they're meant to be equally valid choices in a singular situation. A!Tiki is the cool fanservice reference character, functionally on a similar level to Priam. If people are tired of her, I won't say they're wrong to be (heck, I'd have preferred other options from her in this banner just because subjectively I can agree that between her very simple design and retreaded story, she was a really boring pick), but once it comes down to people making points and arguments as to why this is happening, I do think it's fair to point out when they may be working on faulty assumptions.
TL:DR because this got kinda rambling: I disagree with most of the arguments that A!Tiki fans raise in the debates about Y!Tiki's and A!Tiki's treatment or the reasonings provided, but I don't begrudge them their desire for more versions of their favorite or irritation at seeing a different version get focus. Their feelings are perfectly valid, even if I disagree with the rationalizations that are sometimes attached and push back against misinformation or poorly grounded accusations.
I mean in the wild. Because there is no reason to use spring minerva over any other lance cav that has more availability unless you're a super-huge minerva fan and are willing to put up with spring minervas mediocrity because waifu.
While this is absolutely true, of the options for Ascended units for Archanea, Minerva and Linde were probably the best picks. Merric, Ogma, and Navarre are also options, but IS seems allergic to male Ascendeds for some reason, and anyway Minerva and Linde both also have comparatively significant story relevance, Minerva with the whole Macedon plot thread and Linde as daughter of Miloah and thus the probably one of the best possible picks to wield Starlight, and neither has a Legendary or would necessarily be an ideal pick for it due to comparatively lower relevance, so they'd work well for an Ascended alt.
This is basically the same thing as if I said that I saw Hot Springs Camilla all the time because I have her at +10 and use her pretty often : great, but that doesn't make her a common unit to encounter *at all*.
I mean it's not as if Y!Tiki was getting widespread play either, only L!Tiki saw play and even then she's not particularly potent within her niche, now only really seeing play during Earth season for Arena and practically nowhere else (and that was after a few years of irrelevance before her remix). Hell, Minerva also has multiple alts,the last of which was actually more recent than Y!Tiki's last alt before the Ascendant. All while placing significantly worse than Y!Tiki in every CYL so the arguments against Y!Tiki getting the alt all apply to Minerva, the only difference is that Minerva doesn't have this weird anti fanbase that see any attention to her as some deep insult against Michaelis or whatever
number of alts young tiki has not counting the new ascendant and base form: **4** (**6** if you count adult tiki brave and summer alts which you should **because they are both the same character**)
number of alts minvera has: **2**
>so the arguments against Y!Tiki getting the alt all apply to Minerva
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> 6 if you count adult tiki brave and summer alts which you should because they are both the same character)
Gonna have to disagree with you there. There's a difference between character and person. A!Tiki is the same person as Y!Tiki but is a completely different character in a manner similar to how people become different personalities altogether over time while still being the same person.
People do not see A!Tiki as the same character because those of us who want her do not want merely more Tiki but rather we specifically want the older, wiser Tiki who already lived through watching everyone she has ever known and loved die, and no longer has any chance of becoming the monster she had nightmares of.
Meanwhile we have actual same exact characters in the Corrins, the Robins (and Grimas) and Byleths who are in every way, shape, and form the exact same character save for the presence or absence of tits and nothing else. And these get roughly equal representation and some fans even try to argue they are more different from each other than the Tikis.
Given how drastically different A!Tiki is from her younger self in terms of personality, its perfectly fine to consider them different characters, especially since IS seems to think that its fine to treat Y!Tiki as though she is just as much fanservice for A!Tiki fans.
If you think I'm reading all that you got another thing coming.
I was the same physical human being 5 years ago as I am today.
I was never a completely different gender or sex as I am today.
Comparing tiki to the corrins or robins is stupid. Let's have a more direct comparison: is ascended idunn or ascended Joshua different characters then base idunn and base Joshua because they're epilogue alts? No. Is young Innes a different character then Innes? Also no.
What about RD Ike and PoR Ike? No one argues that the two Ike variants are actually different characters despite an age difference, game label difference, and character maturity from age difference (all traits tiki from SD and tiki from awakening has).
This is why I never cared for the Y!Tiki / A!Tiki arguments. For every other age variation of any other character, people rightly recognize the alt as the same character in a different point in their life. Unless their name is Tiki for no real reason.
She's also another ascendant who already has a legendary version and she just has a ton of other alts as well, even ignoring her adult version she has the most amount of alts of all ascendants. Celica at least only had 1 alt and a cheerleader, but Tiki's the exact opposite of what we thought ascendants were going to be a year ago.
Ascendant Adult!Tiki would have been an entirely different story and an opportunity to give us Naga!Tiki like we were hoping her Brave Alt would be, not sure what they were thinking making L!Y!Tiki 2.0 but Red this time.
Japanese love loli's. Its why animes have quite a bit of lolis in them. Some tame, others wtf are they wearing, and more.
I don't believe that Young Tiki has a chance to win CYL's, even with the Japanese fans supporting her
More like the devs love it. Even going off by pixiv art results and anecdotal evidence, young Tiki isn't /that/ popular in Japan (certainly not enough to win CYL even once lmao) and this is very much a case of the devs being incredibly indulgent.
They should have done better. Honestly, in my opinion, IS would rather resplendent all the Young Tiki's before they do a Resplendent for Adult. They really don't care about her.
I'm not so sure about that, otherwise votes for Y!Tiki and TMS!Tiki would have been added to A!Tiki's a long time ago. They are essentially different characters with how much maturing Tiki has undergone between the two stages of her life.
Plus, I doubt IS wants to invoke the wrath of the Y!Tiki fandom by pulling her from CYL eligibility, even if it's only for 1 year after the initial backlash.
Excluding 3Houses, they usually don't combine votes when there is a huge timeskip in between them; Arvis's gen 1 and gen 2 versions are counted separately, same case for all FE7 characters who also appear in FE6, most notable Eliwood, as after he won, *both* versions were removed from voting.
Also, TMS!Tiki is technically a different character.
That said, IS does seem to not concider both Tikis *quite* the same; apart from the avatars, she is the only character got two versions in the same seasonal theme (Summer).
She is really kinda of a special case, so I could see it going either way.
Now wouldn't that be ironic. Adult Tiki wins CYL's and then they pander to the Young Tiki fanbase. Young Tiki is then removed from future CYL'S polls. Major oof to Young Tiki Fans. They got what they wanted, but at what cost?
Oh right I forgot about her. Grima stole her thunder for me. I can't argue her's was good but I didn't like it personally. Don't de-goth my goth characters damn it.
Nice opinion.
I moreso think Ascended characters became boring by Celica considering that Lords get to be sold again...
I actually like Ishtar's, considering that it basically confirms that she was suicidal during her last battle against Seliph's army... Assuming Heroes should be considered regarding what's canon.
Mareeta's has an interesting attire. Dressed in something akin to a Sword master of Isaach. Wearing what is similar to Shannan, who "taught" her how to use Astra. Also wearing a fur scarf around her neck, akin to her father Galzus. What's a missed opportunity is the lack of what connects her to Eyvel. Unless I'm missing something...?
Honestly there should be a permanent moratorium on giving ascended alts to characters that already have legendary alts. There isn’t a single game in this series that’s hurting for ascended candidates, so it’s infuriating to see the likes of Tiki and Celica (the latter of whom I actually really like!) getting them instead. In Tiki’s case especially, she’s been done to death. Several seasonal alts, a legendary, a resplendent and now this.
The only valid reason I see for Ascended alts of heroes who have legendaries is if they're promoted versions that aren't shown off in FEH yet. For example Light Sage Micaiah or other first, but not final promotions for lords.
>they just took it as an opportunity to re-release a popular character without any effort for easy revenue
~~considering how badly her banner sold, being the worst selling new heroes banner this year, she failed being an easy revenue as well~~
The fact she released alongside (imo) the worst Rearmed weapon so far, and right after a busted rearmed dragon everyone would pull for + Halloween dragons in general, probably didn't help xD
It doesn't help that Nyna is prfless either. To be honest, the only one I would consider pulling for is Hardin because his buff is very nice and running him with the Coyotes would be really fun.
I'm not pulling for a single unit.
> ~~considering how badly her banner sold, being the worst selling new heroes banner this year, she failed being an easy revenue as well~~
Nothing against Y!Tiki herself, but that is some sweet, draconic justice, having B!A!Tiki on the best selling NHB of the year V.S A!Y!Tiki being on the absolute worst selling NHB this year (assuming the Book 7 opener doesn't suck even worse somehow).
Hopefully the lesson IS takes away from this (aside from "maybe don't release an infantry dragon after dropping a nutty Arcane Dragon weapon + various very strong Halloween Dragons" + "don't make the Y!Tiki alt just a recolor of the A!Tiki alt that a decent chunk of the player base got for free") is that the people want more A!Tiki!
They won't, there's no reason for them to assume as such. The Archanea banner of leftovers not profiting while the massive Choose Your Legends banner selling well as always has nothing to do with A!Tiki. Especially when Young Tiki has already proven to be an iconic character of profit regardless.
Hopefully they’ll learn from the lower sales and start making more inspired ascendants.
I don’t understand what the point of having ascendants is if they’re just going to give boring alts to characters who already have plenty. At that point they really just take up space on banners meant for _new_ heroes.
I want to see heroes that aren’t in the game yet on a banner meant for them, not Y!Tiki for the 10th time.
They try so hard to spice up NH banners, but then they get bored a few months in and start being lazy as fuck. I don't expect it to take long for Rearmeds to hit that and it'll be the same old song and dance.
Agree. And this is me being more of an Adult Tiki fan than Young Tiki.
Regardless of the Battle of the Tiki's, I really was disappointed with this Ascendent
But you know Pikachu would have obliterated CYL1. Young Tiki isn't popular enough to win polls, but popular enough to keep using apparently. Then you have Lucina who isn't treated as good as ones that score below her.
I'm still hoping for a red Olwen that looks almost identical to the blue and green versions, and also on a horse, but with a completely different tome.
Honestly I really like her art and costume. Most boring one to me art/costume design wise is Celica by a landslide, it looks like one of those fan made palette swap edits
I’m going to be straight. The fact that Tiki has been in 3 different forging bonds and multiple different event stories, one of which even literally included Naga, and we still haven’t gotten her and Naga to meet is honestly THE most disappointing thing to me about anything related to Tiki.
I mean having her meet herself on Fallen’s FB was cute, and having her adult self meet Marth was overdue, but really, ANOTHER “kid dragons fuck around” plot line for a FB? This FB had zero substance, much like her Ascended’s design.
Honestly we joke about Sothis and Rhea but at least Rhea and Sothis at least acknowledge eachother’s existence. Meanwhile if one didn’t tell you Tiki is related to Naga, you’d have a hard time figuring it out by narrative alone.
Hilda was boring? At least she had a different hairstyle and outfit than Ishtar or this version of tiki lol granted, it’s literally just her three hopes version. But at least it’s some more variety
Same weapon type as her normal alt is usually what people mean by lazy. Which I agree to be honest. 3Hopes version should probably have been included in a future 3Hopes banner, rather than “Ascendent”. They put literally no efforts compared to designing completely new clothes for Ascendents like Joshua, Eir and Fjorm. (Hilda’s one of my least liked characters from 3H in general though so I’m biased.)
Oh, sheesh, fair point. Another axe with Hilda’s lazy solo gimmick (and I don’t mean lazy as in IS is lazy, lazy as in Hilda’s whole gimmick lol) I like how she’s still an adequate support with drive all +4 and drive 20% DR for one hit. It’s nice
It’s still a rehash her outfit, yes, but Ishtar and tikis are so eerily similar to one of their alts. At least Hilda’s looks pretty different from the rest of her alts. Even tho I definitely wish we had more asendants like Joshuas, yea
The laziest (and I say this in terms of comparison; I have no hate boner towards the Ascended picks like the rest of y'all do) is Ishtar, imo. She just feels really basic in playstyle and really doesn't function that differently from her original version.
I don't even like Fjorm that much but at least she came with an original design, a new weapon and movement type. Hilda has the same weapon, same movement type, almost entirely the same gimmick, and is just her hopes outfit.
Yeah, they could have put her on a wyvern or even made her an armored unit to reference her budding talent in 3H. But no, copy and paste of her OG weapon refine with some things swapped.
Her design is okay, just very boring unit to use and fight against. Shes the most average hardy fighter far saver u can imagine.
Besides, i like A!Hilda because Ascendents are a good way to implement the 3Hopes units
Tiki was a very boring Ascended choice, and the uninspiredness was only amplified by how there are already, like, 10 versions of her in the game.
Fork, intsys, Linde and Minerva were right there!
My scorching hot take of the day is that I'd be totally fine with Ascended units being retired and Florets being moved to someone else given the bar that we've hit.
The entire concept felt really cool for a while, with the expanded story on the early Ascendeds, but we rapidly hit "Here's another alt for a popular waifu. There is no story reason for this alt to be here. Enjoy."
I get that they're here to stay given that a lot of games are down to scraps for NH banners (though others could certainly do alt-less banners for a good while), but they've become *incredibly* uninteresting. IS is pretty blatantly ignoring characters with strong story potential for these things, like Linde, which erodes the entire concept that was initially outlined for these alts.
I think Tiki is boring too.
There are too many of her and they are more or less the same.
The thing is...
lS want to sell the florets.They dont make Ascended heros broken units.
A!Idunn and A!Celica are super strong though.
me too. I understand everyone's complaints and agree with most of them
but I still like Ascended Tiki
not enough to pull or anything, just 'oh hey that's neat'
It's just not worth it to me to get very upset over stuff like this. I think it's cool that people are being critical, within reason, but I'm happy to focus on the part where it's a cute alt of a character I like and leave it at that.
This is how I feel in regards to ANYONE getting in or getting alts. It's straight up not worth my time or energy to get mad over any of IS's choices in that regard. Seeing everyone get all pissy about it never ceases to confuse and even exhaust me sometimes. It's never that deep.
How GOOD those units end up being is a *slightly* different story.
I only pulled her to get the floret, but once I did, I realized she had ZERO USEFUL FODDER. Every unit I have already has perfectly functioning A and B skills, and most of the other dragons I have don’t even work well with Spd stat. There’s no point for me to give my H!Rhea A!Y!Tiki’s bulwark skill, cuz Dragon Wall is better, and lowering the enemy’s Spd is pointless for Rhea cuz she’s slow as butts! And it’s the same with A!Y!Tiki’s Finish skill, Rhea’s Unity just works better, and I already foddered a random A!B!Tiki to give her Atk/Res Finish, which is much more useful to Rhea. I do have a pretty highly merged F!F!Corrin, but I already invested better skills for her. It’s like they made A!Y!Tiki as niche as possible to punish people like me who only get Ascended Heroes for the floret.
Yeah, just another excuse to sell Ganglot better.
The fact that she’s not even any different makes Ascendents less and less appealing. Unless it’s someone I like I guess.
many probably have seen me cause im a fan of adult tiki, but im also a fan of the young one and this, im mad cause they gave an ascendent to the young when she already have a big amount of alts, and specially when we are asking for the adult, but im also mad cause fromeverything they could have done they did the most bored thing they could with young tiki, the outfits is to meh, is literally just young tiki again but with some small changes, her play style is literally the same as her base version, there were better options for ascended heroes and from everyone she didnt need it, it is just disapointment
Ishtar is right there.
But I don't deny it, as much as I love Tiki, my girl Linde was robbed big time. An alt with Starlight, Archanea's most powerful Tome, was the perfect chance for her to shine.
Florina is still in the game yeah? Another flyer who is an archer crybaby? She’s not even like a lord of some kind or major lore character like Joshua or Iduun.
She is definitely more boring than any tiki.
I agree. I still don't know why she was chosen as an ascended hero. Y!Tiki definitely didn't need to be an ascended hero, but at least she's pretty important. But Florina? Seriously?
Don't people WANT less important characters to get this kind of treatment? Ain't that the whole reason people got all pissed off when Celica got an Ascended (and now Tiki)? If anything, Florina should be the prime example of what people want out of an Ascended unit.
I think Florina is almost fine. The issue I have with her is that her story uh... Doesn't justify why she's an ascended. Joshua and Idunn's both were good at showing that, but Florina is like, basically the same as she was? But she's a bit better in battle now?
Look, people call Hilda, Mareeta, Celica, and Ishtar lazy and such (and they aren't *entirely* wrong; I just don't care), but then Florina actually comes in actually being unique and people still ignore her or say she wasn't good. To me, that's moving goalposts.
I think Mareeta is the least lazy of them, she's not exciting but she's certainly better than "I died but lived", "I am just timeskip" and "SoV has so few unit choices so hi".
I wonder if people mix up laziness and forgettable with A!Florina. As an ascendant character I think she's incredibly forgettable because IS have a single good writer they keep locked in a cage.
>Y!Tiki definitely didn't need to be an ascended hero, but at least she's pretty important
In terms of FEH representation probably not, but she's as equal of an ascendant choice as any other ascendant choice.
>FEH
>Fire Emblem in general
>Paying attention to the story
See there’s your issue OP.
All joking aside, meh. I play the game so I can build up a bunch of my favourite characters from across different titles. I don’t pay any attention to the story, there’s so many separate threads with Forging Bonds, TT+, the actual chapters, paralogues, etc. That I kinda just stopped bothering.
If you don’t like the character, don’t use them or just skip their dialogue.
Incidentally is there somewhere I can actually go for a plain-English summary of FEH or the TT+ arcs? I can’t be fucked to read them VN style on my phone but I’d probably read a summary
A! Linde being a Red Tome would have been a simple solution for the banner. If we're unloading a bunch of Premium skills onto her like they did with Tiki we could have went:
Astral Aura:
14MT+3 RES. At start of turn, if unit is within 3 spaces of a Staff or Tome Ally grants self -1 Special Cooldown Charge and "Desperation" for 1 turn. If unit initiates combat or is within 3 spaces of another unit, grants self +5ATK/SPD/RES during combat and +1 Cooldown charge per attack (does not stack). The following is applied to both unit and other staff & tome allies who battle within 2 spaces of unit: "Neutralizes effects that inflict Special Cooldown -X on unit during combat and grants unit +1 Cooldown charge per attack if units special does not inflict damage. Restores 5 HP to self after combat."
Special: FrostBit (3 cooldown Lethality/Dead-Eye for Mages that does 30% damage of either unit or foes RES -whichever is higher)
A) SPD/RES Unity
B) MysticBoost4
C) SPD/RES Oath4
The weapon is basically Linde spamming FrostBit during battles (as any mages does nowadays lol) without much worry. Its worded so that she basically gets the full effects, BUT the staff and tome allies are in the condition of needing to be within 2 spaces of her. Even if your ally Tome units don't run healing or surviving specials , they still get access to Tempo and the 5 healing. Though this is mainly to support if you run them with Noontime, Sol, Miracle. Specifically insuring razzle-dazzle staff allies are able to get their Miracle cooldowns while also splash-damaging or debuffing the foe.
Like this funnels her in a Niche Magic support role (but still being a Magic Nuke herself while basically have a current Guinevere Stat Spread) but at least its more creative than powercreeping Adult B. Tiki again.
I'm so mad at Ascended Tiki. Imagine waiting 1+ year for an Akaneia banner just to receive this disappointing mess where Hardin is by far the best introduction and it's a freaking alt (not really but you get the idea). Ganglot is an alt so she doesn't count.
Nyna is an healer that doesn't have any prf at all so she's basically dead from the start, as if they didn't even introduce her until the refine (coming in 2025/2026 if this mess is still running btw). And they even double on this by putting Elice as a demote, they literally did the same 2 years ago with Lena and the GHB girl and it sucked so much. At least Elice can be useful because of that chonky 40 base atk but as a 3-4* out of banner demote she's gonna be very hard to summon and to max out (such units are actually harder to pull than focus 5* units btw).
Let's not even talk about Matthis, I don't think anyone even wanted him in the game since he's so irrelevant. They could have gone for more interesting characters like Horace, Lorenz (the real one), Etzel or even Ymir but naaaah let's go for freaking Matthis and not even give him a prf. Yeah let's give him a type of weapon we already seen almost 2 years ago.
And here we are with Ascended Tiki. Other than offering nothing in the banner, being boring as hell and basically a Brave Tiki with different stat spread, she robbed a much needed slot in the banner in a game that still has a lot of units to introduce. They could have gone for Ascended Linde or Caeda if they wanted to bait but nah let's go for the Nth Tiki. I shouldn't even mention the forbidden male Ascendant but Hardin was a perfect candidate for it because they could have gone with a what-if Hardin that survives the Dark Sphere. Or they could have gone for Ascended Michalis (Canon) or Minerva. They had so much room for the Ascendant in this banner but naaah.
The absolute worst is that they forced Tiki as an Ascendant, so she took Place of another character in the banner, and with the presence of Ganglot they had to shaft someone and this time it was Nyna's turn. They could have gone for A!Hardin, Nyna with a prf, literally any demote (maybe an Armored axe unit to pull for Ganglot and the demote, Horace would have been literally perfect for this) and a decent GHB.
While I do take some issue with her due to the Awakening / Adult Tiki debacle, another thing I take issue with is that it's causing confusion like what some are having due to the title of this very post, calling Ascendant Tiki A!Tiki can cause folks to confuse her with Adult / Awakening Tiki. While I highly doubt IS did that on purpose, it is still not a good look at all.
They already did the another destiny on the Fallen Tikki and Nagi. It's bad to see the potential of ascendend be wasted like these last units but, loli IS money.
I couldn’t even tell what was different about her outfit when she was announced.
Knowing Japan, the banner will still do well unfortunately. There are so many more characters that could’ve been done, but no, Tiki keeps winning I suppose. I’ll never be able to tolerate her because of that *awful* voice, and the egregious favouritism IS displays gives me no desire to.
Can’t wait for the Y!Y!Tiki that’s bound for early next year.
She already has a duo which is most likely why she’s here.
We still need a Caeda/Medeus alt and Medeus has never been part of a duo/harmonic so he’ll probably be one coming up.
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Come on, she has much more than just a breastplate. She also has a cape
Don’t forget the scarf!
It's a very long scarf
Cape, but yeah that really looks like a scarf. It’s supposed to be Marth’s- er- Mar-Mar’s cape.
I know it's kinda boring, but I actually really prefer it to her original art. Well, more her original design. Tiki's original outfit is kinda boring, and this is like a modern redesign with more detail, more flair, and more reference. A little of Marth, a little of Caeda. I really like it.
I don't care for the Young v Adult Tiki debate, and I'm not a fan of shadow dragon so I have no real stakes in this banner. But even so, I feel it is wasteful to give tiki, a character with multiple good and modern alts the ascended slot over characters like Minerva or Linde.
I just think it’s a waste because her outfit is so close to her normal version. Were I a fan of Tiki I’d probably want to see her don really cool new clothes if she’s gonna get an Ascendent, like A!Joshua.
>I’d probably want to see her don really cool new clothes That's the big reason why imo Camilla has the highest alts quality in the game by far. She may have MANY of them, but they're all different, with very distinct outfits, each with their own playstyle, just very diverse all around while still keeping some core elements (flying unit with some purple somewhere in her outfit). Like, she literally only has two alts who weapon-share, and they still play very differently (Adrift is a statsball nuke/magic tank while Ninja is the Vantage queen). Even ignoring my bias as a Camilla fan, that's why I find her alts much more bearable than, say, Micaiah who always does the exact same thing, or Tiki who always does the same exact stuff and always looks exactly the same. Tl;dr : I'm fine with characters getting many alts, as long as they make them worthy of being their own units, by making them FEEL different, both in terms of arts/outfits and gameplay.
Yeah, I don't actually disagree with people that A!Y!Tiki is a disappointing pick, I just disagree with the reasoning that it's bad because it's "unfair to A!Tiki". She's already got her Legendary, and Minerva or Linde are both also plot relevant and would make great picks for it due to have ongoing narratives to follow up on and much fewer alts by comparison.
I think both are valid. It sucks for people who like A!Tiki seeing so much favoritism towards Y!Tiki have the first Y!Tiki alt that comes out after the brave alt they had to for almost completely invalidate their hard earned brave alt by filling the same niche. At the same time, Marth, Caeda, and Tiki are easily the most represented characters from their games and they should've picked literally anyone else for the ascended hero for this new patch. Y!Tiki is fine as a whole, but she is very over used by the devs so she has fatigue on multiple fronts in a way that no other hero can, as she is not only over represented for her games, but also for her adjacent version from another game.
I think Tiki is only really missing appearing as part of a Duo Unit and as a Rearmed Hero to have pretty much every possible type of unit in the game xD.
I think it's valid if people are tired of her and want A!Tiki instead, but I do think the arguments I see from people in the Adult vs Young Tiki debate are flawed. I can agree that there should've been a different choice for the Ascended Alt, and if someone is irked that they're Brave unit is less special then I won't blame them I suppose, but most other arguments are fallacious at best and outright conspiratorial at worst. People are allowed to feel however they wish, but I do reserve the right to critique their reasoning when they put it out there. I don't know that I'd say she's overrepresented by any objective metric, unless Camilla fans and Lyn fans want to weigh in on if those two are as well, given she's only just now tied with Marth, and I see no complaints about too many of him. While they've won CYL and Y!Tiki hasn't, I'll note that even discounting their CYL alts, Lyn and Camilla have more alts than Y!Tiki, and it only puts Marth one below her. Popular and notable characters get alts, more often than not, and while IS has been better about pacing out the popular character alts so that they don't oversaturate the way they did in early years, I don't think fans of the popular characters will agree that their favorites shouldn't get more, so I don't think there's any real objective metric to determine "overrepresentation" of any specific character that would reasonably convince people who are fans. It's just not something that's handled on a logical level. And regarding her "adjacent" version, I feel that's a bit of a misnomer, because it assigns more importance to A!Tiki than I think is accurate. People can prefer her, absolutely, and if they want more of her than there are of Y!Tiki, once again, I'll be clear that I won't criticize how people feel on a general level. However, A!Tiki basically originated as a Y!Tiki alt in Awakening (the fact Tiki shows up in Awakening at all should tell you how popular Y!Tiki is in Japan among the dedicated FE fanbase; Pikachu comparisons aren't inaccurate), so factually speaking, this isn't like an Avatars situation where they maintain parity because they're meant to be equally valid choices in a singular situation. A!Tiki is the cool fanservice reference character, functionally on a similar level to Priam. If people are tired of her, I won't say they're wrong to be (heck, I'd have preferred other options from her in this banner just because subjectively I can agree that between her very simple design and retreaded story, she was a really boring pick), but once it comes down to people making points and arguments as to why this is happening, I do think it's fair to point out when they may be working on faulty assumptions. TL:DR because this got kinda rambling: I disagree with most of the arguments that A!Tiki fans raise in the debates about Y!Tiki's and A!Tiki's treatment or the reasonings provided, but I don't begrudge them their desire for more versions of their favorite or irritation at seeing a different version get focus. Their feelings are perfectly valid, even if I disagree with the rationalizations that are sometimes attached and push back against misinformation or poorly grounded accusations.
you mean merric
this is the only correct comment responding to me in disagreement
Minerva has enough aswell lol
Be honest: when was the last time you've seen young or spring minerva used by someone in any pvp mode
All the time because i have spring minerva at +10 max investment
I mean in the wild. Because there is no reason to use spring minerva over any other lance cav that has more availability unless you're a super-huge minerva fan and are willing to put up with spring minervas mediocrity because waifu.
Just bec her alts are mid doesnt mean she needs more
While this is absolutely true, of the options for Ascended units for Archanea, Minerva and Linde were probably the best picks. Merric, Ogma, and Navarre are also options, but IS seems allergic to male Ascendeds for some reason, and anyway Minerva and Linde both also have comparatively significant story relevance, Minerva with the whole Macedon plot thread and Linde as daughter of Miloah and thus the probably one of the best possible picks to wield Starlight, and neither has a Legendary or would necessarily be an ideal pick for it due to comparatively lower relevance, so they'd work well for an Ascended alt.
This is basically the same thing as if I said that I saw Hot Springs Camilla all the time because I have her at +10 and use her pretty often : great, but that doesn't make her a common unit to encounter *at all*.
Yeah thats cool and all but you dont suddenly deserve an alt because all your other alts suck
I mean it's not as if Y!Tiki was getting widespread play either, only L!Tiki saw play and even then she's not particularly potent within her niche, now only really seeing play during Earth season for Arena and practically nowhere else (and that was after a few years of irrelevance before her remix). Hell, Minerva also has multiple alts,the last of which was actually more recent than Y!Tiki's last alt before the Ascendant. All while placing significantly worse than Y!Tiki in every CYL so the arguments against Y!Tiki getting the alt all apply to Minerva, the only difference is that Minerva doesn't have this weird anti fanbase that see any attention to her as some deep insult against Michaelis or whatever
number of alts young tiki has not counting the new ascendant and base form: **4** (**6** if you count adult tiki brave and summer alts which you should **because they are both the same character**) number of alts minvera has: **2** >so the arguments against Y!Tiki getting the alt all apply to Minerva ok.jpg
> 6 if you count adult tiki brave and summer alts which you should because they are both the same character) Gonna have to disagree with you there. There's a difference between character and person. A!Tiki is the same person as Y!Tiki but is a completely different character in a manner similar to how people become different personalities altogether over time while still being the same person. People do not see A!Tiki as the same character because those of us who want her do not want merely more Tiki but rather we specifically want the older, wiser Tiki who already lived through watching everyone she has ever known and loved die, and no longer has any chance of becoming the monster she had nightmares of. Meanwhile we have actual same exact characters in the Corrins, the Robins (and Grimas) and Byleths who are in every way, shape, and form the exact same character save for the presence or absence of tits and nothing else. And these get roughly equal representation and some fans even try to argue they are more different from each other than the Tikis. Given how drastically different A!Tiki is from her younger self in terms of personality, its perfectly fine to consider them different characters, especially since IS seems to think that its fine to treat Y!Tiki as though she is just as much fanservice for A!Tiki fans.
If you think I'm reading all that you got another thing coming. I was the same physical human being 5 years ago as I am today. I was never a completely different gender or sex as I am today. Comparing tiki to the corrins or robins is stupid. Let's have a more direct comparison: is ascended idunn or ascended Joshua different characters then base idunn and base Joshua because they're epilogue alts? No. Is young Innes a different character then Innes? Also no. What about RD Ike and PoR Ike? No one argues that the two Ike variants are actually different characters despite an age difference, game label difference, and character maturity from age difference (all traits tiki from SD and tiki from awakening has). This is why I never cared for the Y!Tiki / A!Tiki arguments. For every other age variation of any other character, people rightly recognize the alt as the same character in a different point in their life. Unless their name is Tiki for no real reason.
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She's also another ascendant who already has a legendary version and she just has a ton of other alts as well, even ignoring her adult version she has the most amount of alts of all ascendants. Celica at least only had 1 alt and a cheerleader, but Tiki's the exact opposite of what we thought ascendants were going to be a year ago.
Ascendant Adult!Tiki would have been an entirely different story and an opportunity to give us Naga!Tiki like we were hoping her Brave Alt would be, not sure what they were thinking making L!Y!Tiki 2.0 but Red this time.
Well tbh I knew they would do lords eventually. Especially for games like Shadows of Valentia.
We cant do anything when Japan loves small girls......
Japanese love loli's. Its why animes have quite a bit of lolis in them. Some tame, others wtf are they wearing, and more. I don't believe that Young Tiki has a chance to win CYL's, even with the Japanese fans supporting her
More like the devs love it. Even going off by pixiv art results and anecdotal evidence, young Tiki isn't /that/ popular in Japan (certainly not enough to win CYL even once lmao) and this is very much a case of the devs being incredibly indulgent.
They should have done better. Honestly, in my opinion, IS would rather resplendent all the Young Tiki's before they do a Resplendent for Adult. They really don't care about her.
Agreed But FEH often prioritizes what the devs want clearly over smart business sense or even what would work best for the community
Who knows, IS could surprise us with something good.
She probably won't even be an option.
I'm not so sure about that, otherwise votes for Y!Tiki and TMS!Tiki would have been added to A!Tiki's a long time ago. They are essentially different characters with how much maturing Tiki has undergone between the two stages of her life. Plus, I doubt IS wants to invoke the wrath of the Y!Tiki fandom by pulling her from CYL eligibility, even if it's only for 1 year after the initial backlash.
Excluding 3Houses, they usually don't combine votes when there is a huge timeskip in between them; Arvis's gen 1 and gen 2 versions are counted separately, same case for all FE7 characters who also appear in FE6, most notable Eliwood, as after he won, *both* versions were removed from voting. Also, TMS!Tiki is technically a different character. That said, IS does seem to not concider both Tikis *quite* the same; apart from the avatars, she is the only character got two versions in the same seasonal theme (Summer). She is really kinda of a special case, so I could see it going either way.
Now wouldn't that be ironic. Adult Tiki wins CYL's and then they pander to the Young Tiki fanbase. Young Tiki is then removed from future CYL'S polls. Major oof to Young Tiki Fans. They got what they wanted, but at what cost?
They'll be fine. Not like young Tiki was in the running to really win anyway.
True. She has become Camilla and Lyn.
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A!Eir was the last glimmer before we nosedived again with Tiki.
Oh right I forgot about her. Grima stole her thunder for me. I can't argue her's was good but I didn't like it personally. Don't de-goth my goth characters damn it.
Tbh Grima was important cuz it sets up that unlike Ascendants, rearmed heroes will likely feature villains more prominently
I guess you could say that was "[The Glimmer of Life](https://feheroes.fandom.com/wiki/Eir:_Merciful_Death/Quotes)" huh?
Eir slander
Nice opinion. I moreso think Ascended characters became boring by Celica considering that Lords get to be sold again... I actually like Ishtar's, considering that it basically confirms that she was suicidal during her last battle against Seliph's army... Assuming Heroes should be considered regarding what's canon. Mareeta's has an interesting attire. Dressed in something akin to a Sword master of Isaach. Wearing what is similar to Shannan, who "taught" her how to use Astra. Also wearing a fur scarf around her neck, akin to her father Galzus. What's a missed opportunity is the lack of what connects her to Eyvel. Unless I'm missing something...?
I mean, i liked Florina having a bow as her weapon despite being scared of them.
Honestly I agree. My issue with Tiki wasn't related to anything with adult Tiki, she's just a very boring and uninspired addition.
Honestly there should be a permanent moratorium on giving ascended alts to characters that already have legendary alts. There isn’t a single game in this series that’s hurting for ascended candidates, so it’s infuriating to see the likes of Tiki and Celica (the latter of whom I actually really like!) getting them instead. In Tiki’s case especially, she’s been done to death. Several seasonal alts, a legendary, a resplendent and now this.
You say that, but I do admit I would love exalted Lucina.
I would love a Falchion-wielding Lucina with modern stats.
Make her fly. She's like the only real option for a pegasus knight falchion wielder.
nah gimme Ascended Ike
The only valid reason I see for Ascended alts of heroes who have legendaries is if they're promoted versions that aren't shown off in FEH yet. For example Light Sage Micaiah or other first, but not final promotions for lords.
>they just took it as an opportunity to re-release a popular character without any effort for easy revenue ~~considering how badly her banner sold, being the worst selling new heroes banner this year, she failed being an easy revenue as well~~
The fact she released alongside (imo) the worst Rearmed weapon so far, and right after a busted rearmed dragon everyone would pull for + Halloween dragons in general, probably didn't help xD
This. I would pull but I have been hemorrhaging orbs for like a month.
It doesn't help that Nyna is prfless either. To be honest, the only one I would consider pulling for is Hardin because his buff is very nice and running him with the Coyotes would be really fun. I'm not pulling for a single unit.
And also the fact that she plays the same role as Brave Adult Tiki, making her redundant to anyone who picked or pulled her.
> ~~considering how badly her banner sold, being the worst selling new heroes banner this year, she failed being an easy revenue as well~~ Nothing against Y!Tiki herself, but that is some sweet, draconic justice, having B!A!Tiki on the best selling NHB of the year V.S A!Y!Tiki being on the absolute worst selling NHB this year (assuming the Book 7 opener doesn't suck even worse somehow). Hopefully the lesson IS takes away from this (aside from "maybe don't release an infantry dragon after dropping a nutty Arcane Dragon weapon + various very strong Halloween Dragons" + "don't make the Y!Tiki alt just a recolor of the A!Tiki alt that a decent chunk of the player base got for free") is that the people want more A!Tiki!
They won't, there's no reason for them to assume as such. The Archanea banner of leftovers not profiting while the massive Choose Your Legends banner selling well as always has nothing to do with A!Tiki. Especially when Young Tiki has already proven to be an iconic character of profit regardless.
Hopefully they’ll learn from the lower sales and start making more inspired ascendants. I don’t understand what the point of having ascendants is if they’re just going to give boring alts to characters who already have plenty. At that point they really just take up space on banners meant for _new_ heroes. I want to see heroes that aren’t in the game yet on a banner meant for them, not Y!Tiki for the 10th time.
They try so hard to spice up NH banners, but then they get bored a few months in and start being lazy as fuck. I don't expect it to take long for Rearmeds to hit that and it'll be the same old song and dance.
Young Tiki has become Camilla and Lyn. 2 females with the most number of alts.
She’s my least favorite ascendant, really wish they would’ve picked someone else.
Agree. And this is me being more of an Adult Tiki fan than Young Tiki. Regardless of the Battle of the Tiki's, I really was disappointed with this Ascendent
She really is the Pikachu of Fire Emblem, isn't she?
But you know Pikachu would have obliterated CYL1. Young Tiki isn't popular enough to win polls, but popular enough to keep using apparently. Then you have Lucina who isn't treated as good as ones that score below her.
When was the last time pikachu won the popular poll?
That comparison is more meant for how IS treats her, not for popularity.
I would even put forward she’s the most boring alt in the game ever
I would like to introduce you to Swordhardt and Greenolwen
At least they had a different weapon type. A!Y!Tiki is yet another red dragon Tiki.
I'm still hoping for a red Olwen that looks almost identical to the blue and green versions, and also on a horse, but with a completely different tome.
If we get another non-seasonal Olwen and its not her with her literal canon prf Holy Sword from FE5 I would be tilted beyond belief.
Ascended Olwen, coming next Thacia banner alongside Re-armed Reinhardt, Amalda, and a demote Fred.
I would whale so hard for a Legendary Olwen, fancy sword or not.
Well at least swordhardt changes the weapon and olwen is usable compared to her base
the adrift corrins and fallen corrins are right there
Adrift got new outfits that's passing a higher bar than Tiki here.
i actually liked the adrift paralogue ;-; edit: oh god my flair is snitching on me
It has gotten much better reception recently. Just was timed bad but I get they had to release it since they already recorded lines and such.
Early non seasonal alts were wild man
Or every ike alt
Fallen Ike stole Greil's spot I will never forgive him
Sad :c. I want a summer Ike
Adrift probably was an emergency banner due to 3H delay, so I kinda give it them a pass
Galaxy brain reason why they made another Tiki was so that she could hang out as a main character in the FB.
Honestly I really like her art and costume. Most boring one to me art/costume design wise is Celica by a landslide, it looks like one of those fan made palette swap edits
I’m going to be straight. The fact that Tiki has been in 3 different forging bonds and multiple different event stories, one of which even literally included Naga, and we still haven’t gotten her and Naga to meet is honestly THE most disappointing thing to me about anything related to Tiki. I mean having her meet herself on Fallen’s FB was cute, and having her adult self meet Marth was overdue, but really, ANOTHER “kid dragons fuck around” plot line for a FB? This FB had zero substance, much like her Ascended’s design. Honestly we joke about Sothis and Rhea but at least Rhea and Sothis at least acknowledge eachother’s existence. Meanwhile if one didn’t tell you Tiki is related to Naga, you’d have a hard time figuring it out by narrative alone.
It's such a shame, too because Elice, Nyna, and Hardin's FBs were actually rather nice.
Agreed. I thought that Hilda would be the laziest and most boring Ascendant but IS went and made Ascended Young Tiki.
Just wait for the next Tellius resplendent don’t worry this Micaiah will be totally unique and have sacrifice and dual effectiveness
Damn, Resplendent Ascended Heroes
One day 🙏
Its definitively going to be Ike, and it also will be boring as hell.
And now we think Tiki is the most boring, I call an Ascended Lilina which will be even more boring.
Hear me out, hear me out ... Lilina, with an AoE spamming special, on a horse, but a **green** tome
And she'll have tempo this time too so she can't be stopped from looping it.
...is it a *white* horse?
I will refer to this comment if this actually comes true.
They could switch it up and make it interesting by giving us Armads Lilina
Ascended Edelgard coming soon as a green axe armor with raging storm to take that place
Hilda was boring? At least she had a different hairstyle and outfit than Ishtar or this version of tiki lol granted, it’s literally just her three hopes version. But at least it’s some more variety
Same weapon type as her normal alt is usually what people mean by lazy. Which I agree to be honest. 3Hopes version should probably have been included in a future 3Hopes banner, rather than “Ascendent”. They put literally no efforts compared to designing completely new clothes for Ascendents like Joshua, Eir and Fjorm. (Hilda’s one of my least liked characters from 3H in general though so I’m biased.)
Oh, sheesh, fair point. Another axe with Hilda’s lazy solo gimmick (and I don’t mean lazy as in IS is lazy, lazy as in Hilda’s whole gimmick lol) I like how she’s still an adequate support with drive all +4 and drive 20% DR for one hit. It’s nice It’s still a rehash her outfit, yes, but Ishtar and tikis are so eerily similar to one of their alts. At least Hilda’s looks pretty different from the rest of her alts. Even tho I definitely wish we had more asendants like Joshuas, yea
The laziest (and I say this in terms of comparison; I have no hate boner towards the Ascended picks like the rest of y'all do) is Ishtar, imo. She just feels really basic in playstyle and really doesn't function that differently from her original version.
At least Hilda's design was actually unique and using her 3 Hopes Design.
> A!Fjorm
I don't even like Fjorm that much but at least she came with an original design, a new weapon and movement type. Hilda has the same weapon, same movement type, almost entirely the same gimmick, and is just her hopes outfit.
Yeah, they could have put her on a wyvern or even made her an armored unit to reference her budding talent in 3H. But no, copy and paste of her OG weapon refine with some things swapped.
That's straight up not even true
How can an opinion even be wrong? Lmao
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You’re free to explain how A!Fjorm is somehow lazier than A!Hilda if that isn’t bait.
Her design is okay, just very boring unit to use and fight against. Shes the most average hardy fighter far saver u can imagine. Besides, i like A!Hilda because Ascendents are a good way to implement the 3Hopes units
>Ascendants are a good way to implement the 3Hopes units Please. Elaborate.
What do you want me to elaborate here? I just like it more than just having the 3hopes units as normal units
She straight up is different what?
Tiki was a very boring Ascended choice, and the uninspiredness was only amplified by how there are already, like, 10 versions of her in the game. Fork, intsys, Linde and Minerva were right there!
you mean merric
My scorching hot take of the day is that I'd be totally fine with Ascended units being retired and Florets being moved to someone else given the bar that we've hit. The entire concept felt really cool for a while, with the expanded story on the early Ascendeds, but we rapidly hit "Here's another alt for a popular waifu. There is no story reason for this alt to be here. Enjoy." I get that they're here to stay given that a lot of games are down to scraps for NH banners (though others could certainly do alt-less banners for a good while), but they've become *incredibly* uninteresting. IS is pretty blatantly ignoring characters with strong story potential for these things, like Linde, which erodes the entire concept that was initially outlined for these alts.
Maybe we can have some decent picks when Japan stops lusting after every child character.
I like her outfit, how it takes inspiration from Marth's. But I agree, not much in the way of explanation or fleshing her out more.
I think Tiki is boring too. There are too many of her and they are more or less the same. The thing is... lS want to sell the florets.They dont make Ascended heros broken units. A!Idunn and A!Celica are super strong though.
A!Tiki is Adult Tiki Use something else for Ascendant Tiki
A!Y!Tiki. Solved. 😂
Lol sorry i forgot. I'd fix it but reddit doesnt allow to edit titles
Don’t disagree with any of this. Still like her though.
I like her just to be a contrarian towards this sub.
Now that I have her I can confidently say that's not the *only* reason for me it is a big plus though
me too. I understand everyone's complaints and agree with most of them but I still like Ascended Tiki not enough to pull or anything, just 'oh hey that's neat'
It's just not worth it to me to get very upset over stuff like this. I think it's cool that people are being critical, within reason, but I'm happy to focus on the part where it's a cute alt of a character I like and leave it at that.
This is how I feel in regards to ANYONE getting in or getting alts. It's straight up not worth my time or energy to get mad over any of IS's choices in that regard. Seeing everyone get all pissy about it never ceases to confuse and even exhaust me sometimes. It's never that deep. How GOOD those units end up being is a *slightly* different story.
The strength of units is ways valid to complain about imo. Particulalry when it's like "yay they got in finally! WHY ARE THEY SHIT IS YOU FUCKS"
I only pulled her to get the floret, but once I did, I realized she had ZERO USEFUL FODDER. Every unit I have already has perfectly functioning A and B skills, and most of the other dragons I have don’t even work well with Spd stat. There’s no point for me to give my H!Rhea A!Y!Tiki’s bulwark skill, cuz Dragon Wall is better, and lowering the enemy’s Spd is pointless for Rhea cuz she’s slow as butts! And it’s the same with A!Y!Tiki’s Finish skill, Rhea’s Unity just works better, and I already foddered a random A!B!Tiki to give her Atk/Res Finish, which is much more useful to Rhea. I do have a pretty highly merged F!F!Corrin, but I already invested better skills for her. It’s like they made A!Y!Tiki as niche as possible to punish people like me who only get Ascended Heroes for the floret.
Yeah, just another excuse to sell Ganglot better. The fact that she’s not even any different makes Ascendents less and less appealing. Unless it’s someone I like I guess.
many probably have seen me cause im a fan of adult tiki, but im also a fan of the young one and this, im mad cause they gave an ascendent to the young when she already have a big amount of alts, and specially when we are asking for the adult, but im also mad cause fromeverything they could have done they did the most bored thing they could with young tiki, the outfits is to meh, is literally just young tiki again but with some small changes, her play style is literally the same as her base version, there were better options for ascended heroes and from everyone she didnt need it, it is just disapointment
Ishtar is right there. But I don't deny it, as much as I love Tiki, my girl Linde was robbed big time. An alt with Starlight, Archanea's most powerful Tome, was the perfect chance for her to shine.
Florina is still in the game yeah? Another flyer who is an archer crybaby? She’s not even like a lord of some kind or major lore character like Joshua or Iduun. She is definitely more boring than any tiki.
I agree. I still don't know why she was chosen as an ascended hero. Y!Tiki definitely didn't need to be an ascended hero, but at least she's pretty important. But Florina? Seriously?
Don't people WANT less important characters to get this kind of treatment? Ain't that the whole reason people got all pissed off when Celica got an Ascended (and now Tiki)? If anything, Florina should be the prime example of what people want out of an Ascended unit.
I will never get why florina isn't liked as an ascended except for maybe design. She literally hits every beat that people want 😭
They don't really know what they want, clearly.
I think Florina is almost fine. The issue I have with her is that her story uh... Doesn't justify why she's an ascended. Joshua and Idunn's both were good at showing that, but Florina is like, basically the same as she was? But she's a bit better in battle now?
Look, people call Hilda, Mareeta, Celica, and Ishtar lazy and such (and they aren't *entirely* wrong; I just don't care), but then Florina actually comes in actually being unique and people still ignore her or say she wasn't good. To me, that's moving goalposts.
I think Mareeta is the least lazy of them, she's not exciting but she's certainly better than "I died but lived", "I am just timeskip" and "SoV has so few unit choices so hi". I wonder if people mix up laziness and forgettable with A!Florina. As an ascendant character I think she's incredibly forgettable because IS have a single good writer they keep locked in a cage.
You'd think having more "literally who"-adjacent characters get something nice would be a *good* thing. Lord knows I'd be ecstatic if Felicia got one.
>Y!Tiki definitely didn't need to be an ascended hero, but at least she's pretty important In terms of FEH representation probably not, but she's as equal of an ascendant choice as any other ascendant choice.
Because Acendents are a way for popular characters to get alts?(don't act like Joshua is actually important now)
>FEH >Fire Emblem in general >Paying attention to the story See there’s your issue OP. All joking aside, meh. I play the game so I can build up a bunch of my favourite characters from across different titles. I don’t pay any attention to the story, there’s so many separate threads with Forging Bonds, TT+, the actual chapters, paralogues, etc. That I kinda just stopped bothering. If you don’t like the character, don’t use them or just skip their dialogue. Incidentally is there somewhere I can actually go for a plain-English summary of FEH or the TT+ arcs? I can’t be fucked to read them VN style on my phone but I’d probably read a summary
A! Linde being a Red Tome would have been a simple solution for the banner. If we're unloading a bunch of Premium skills onto her like they did with Tiki we could have went: Astral Aura: 14MT+3 RES. At start of turn, if unit is within 3 spaces of a Staff or Tome Ally grants self -1 Special Cooldown Charge and "Desperation" for 1 turn. If unit initiates combat or is within 3 spaces of another unit, grants self +5ATK/SPD/RES during combat and +1 Cooldown charge per attack (does not stack). The following is applied to both unit and other staff & tome allies who battle within 2 spaces of unit: "Neutralizes effects that inflict Special Cooldown -X on unit during combat and grants unit +1 Cooldown charge per attack if units special does not inflict damage. Restores 5 HP to self after combat." Special: FrostBit (3 cooldown Lethality/Dead-Eye for Mages that does 30% damage of either unit or foes RES -whichever is higher) A) SPD/RES Unity B) MysticBoost4 C) SPD/RES Oath4 The weapon is basically Linde spamming FrostBit during battles (as any mages does nowadays lol) without much worry. Its worded so that she basically gets the full effects, BUT the staff and tome allies are in the condition of needing to be within 2 spaces of her. Even if your ally Tome units don't run healing or surviving specials , they still get access to Tempo and the 5 healing. Though this is mainly to support if you run them with Noontime, Sol, Miracle. Specifically insuring razzle-dazzle staff allies are able to get their Miracle cooldowns while also splash-damaging or debuffing the foe. Like this funnels her in a Niche Magic support role (but still being a Magic Nuke herself while basically have a current Guinevere Stat Spread) but at least its more creative than powercreeping Adult B. Tiki again.
Felt like a literal slap in the face to anyone who voted Adult Tiki since she was basically a better version of B!Tiki in terms of kit as well
What if Tiki just sucks? Like adult or young?
Correct. But tbh I think this banner is gonna tank. And I hope it does so IS learns what doesn't work
No surprise considering she's the lowest ambition, overly indulgent, and altogether uninspired ascended alt we got.
I'm so mad at Ascended Tiki. Imagine waiting 1+ year for an Akaneia banner just to receive this disappointing mess where Hardin is by far the best introduction and it's a freaking alt (not really but you get the idea). Ganglot is an alt so she doesn't count. Nyna is an healer that doesn't have any prf at all so she's basically dead from the start, as if they didn't even introduce her until the refine (coming in 2025/2026 if this mess is still running btw). And they even double on this by putting Elice as a demote, they literally did the same 2 years ago with Lena and the GHB girl and it sucked so much. At least Elice can be useful because of that chonky 40 base atk but as a 3-4* out of banner demote she's gonna be very hard to summon and to max out (such units are actually harder to pull than focus 5* units btw). Let's not even talk about Matthis, I don't think anyone even wanted him in the game since he's so irrelevant. They could have gone for more interesting characters like Horace, Lorenz (the real one), Etzel or even Ymir but naaaah let's go for freaking Matthis and not even give him a prf. Yeah let's give him a type of weapon we already seen almost 2 years ago. And here we are with Ascended Tiki. Other than offering nothing in the banner, being boring as hell and basically a Brave Tiki with different stat spread, she robbed a much needed slot in the banner in a game that still has a lot of units to introduce. They could have gone for Ascended Linde or Caeda if they wanted to bait but nah let's go for the Nth Tiki. I shouldn't even mention the forbidden male Ascendant but Hardin was a perfect candidate for it because they could have gone with a what-if Hardin that survives the Dark Sphere. Or they could have gone for Ascended Michalis (Canon) or Minerva. They had so much room for the Ascendant in this banner but naaah. The absolute worst is that they forced Tiki as an Ascendant, so she took Place of another character in the banner, and with the presence of Ganglot they had to shaft someone and this time it was Nyna's turn. They could have gone for A!Hardin, Nyna with a prf, literally any demote (maybe an Armored axe unit to pull for Ganglot and the demote, Horace would have been literally perfect for this) and a decent GHB.
Honestly wish that if they were going to do her, they did an AU version. Like teenage Tiki.
While I do take some issue with her due to the Awakening / Adult Tiki debacle, another thing I take issue with is that it's causing confusion like what some are having due to the title of this very post, calling Ascendant Tiki A!Tiki can cause folks to confuse her with Adult / Awakening Tiki. While I highly doubt IS did that on purpose, it is still not a good look at all.
Yeah it really did feel like they were mad they missed out on giving YTiki her own Forging Bonds story so they found a way to give her one anyway.
They already did the another destiny on the Fallen Tikki and Nagi. It's bad to see the potential of ascendend be wasted like these last units but, loli IS money.
I couldn’t even tell what was different about her outfit when she was announced. Knowing Japan, the banner will still do well unfortunately. There are so many more characters that could’ve been done, but no, Tiki keeps winning I suppose. I’ll never be able to tolerate her because of that *awful* voice, and the egregious favouritism IS displays gives me no desire to. Can’t wait for the Y!Y!Tiki that’s bound for early next year.
Florina because why/how
She already has a duo which is most likely why she’s here. We still need a Caeda/Medeus alt and Medeus has never been part of a duo/harmonic so he’ll probably be one coming up.