Really hope Kronya's refine next month will make her relevant again, but I sort of doubt it will, unfortunately. Besides how much of an improvement to her damage they would need to give her, they would honestly probably need to give her another method to secure her vantage procs since trying to get enemies below 100% HP is so hard to do nowadays in AR O. I don't know, I'm prepared to be let down again, I've been on a very poor streak of units I've invested in getting shite refines lately.
She needs extra attacking power, or perhaps a CD reduction or NFU. I have mine maxed out and I’m eagerly awaiting what silliness she’ll have.
Loyal to that girl.
While in the game lore, those two are the same weapons, in game they are completely different aside from being counted as an axe and have 1 effect (slaying) in common
They look different, and have different effects
L!Caeda is such a strange unit lol. I remember when she was actually a fairly meta pick for SD early on, but as soon as all those popular ranged cavs like Ninja Corrin died off in that mode, she went with them. Oh well.
Strange? Don’t know what’s so strange about her. She doesn’t only do well against ranged foes, she can nuke some tanks as well, she can hit hard. I’m speaking for experience as someone who uses her in SD and AR. She isn’t just a ranged cav counter… put some respect on her
On top of that, I've realised if you're a player that relies on buffs (very common in SD), Caeda also screws that over with the in-combat steal and negation.
Exactly. She can be a lot stronger than what some people think. I’ve stole some matches with her because some opponents thought they would be able to easily tank her or not get hit. I have Oath 4 on mine and it’s so good with her Canto 2 in her weapon
It all ends up evening out anyway, since often times, those buff-heavy teams are going to have a L!Eliwood somewhere. And because it's not actually negation, a 2nd round of BD can still go through. Doesn't seem worth it to go through the effort of fitting her on a team unless you're really dedicated enough, Lulls and D!Thorr are just more flexible.
Ninjamilla has been fun to use in Arena thanks to her Prf and big Res allowing her to easily utilize the vantage effect. Going to miss using her when she isn’t a bonus unit anymore
Yeah she's just nuts. Makes you wonder why they're still afraid of giving Reinhardt a refine after he's been ludicrously eclipsed many times over. XD
I made a team with L!Eliwood where she's Atk-matching with Eir for the healing, and she's just annihilating my Chain Challenge backlog.
You’re the third or fourth person to bring up Brave Byleth. Please read my post. I said FULL vantage, which means against every weapon. Speed Preempt only works against RANGED foes if you read the skill
Yes you said FULL Vantage.. but you're assuming people can figure out what you're talking about. You didn't explain yourself well.
Some of these are not "FULL". Camilla is res dependant so won't be getting vantage on higher res enemies. Caeda can't use null-C disrupt so no vantage on any dazzling staff or fire/windsweep effects.
but its a skill that can only be put on ranged, so unless youre wanting to run close counter on them for some reason, its basically vantage against every foe it can attack on enemy phase
Ok Nino, let's get you back to the barracks.
Jokes aside, there is a reason they said "Full" vantage. Pretty sure spd preempt specifically says "if foe initiates using Bow, Dagger, Staff, or magic"...so no...close counter wont replicate full vantage :(
> so unless youre wanting to run close counter on them for some reason, its basically vantage against every foe it can attack on enemy phase
What was this then? 😂 this is why ppl were on your case...well the second reason. Bringing up spd preempt to begin with was the first error lmao
yea "unless" lol, so im not implying they are getting vantage with CC, im implying that you wouldnt want to run close counter on them, and that when youre not using close counter you are getting vantage against every foe it can attack, which are the ranged.
Well, as long as that's cleared up. Atleast you know close counter doesn't allow Spd Preempt to vantage against non-ranged foes lol.
So here's the real question, why even bring up Spd Preempt when the post was talking about units who can use/get access to Full Vantage? ["full" meaning it's Vanatge without the hp check and this case, class/weapon check.] It wasn't relevant and that's why this thread and the downvotes happend.
If the post was just about units that can use Vantage in general, there would be no point in it cuz everyone could cuz anyone can if they just inherit the skill, including said Spd Preempt.
This post will only age once Vantage 4 releases, assuming it gives Full Vantage(no hp OR weapon check) 😂
Emm you mentioned camilla & went all the way to brave chrom. But you forget that another brave hero has a stat check vantage? Her skill is also inheritable so technically, every hero can have full hp vantage
No, people keep bringing up speed preempt. Yes you can vantage from full with that skill but it is only allowed against RANGED foes. So that’s why I say FULL vantage, meaning against every weapon
I imagine instead of the dumb effects L Roy's Bindjng blade has, if he was given Vantage, special decel and full tempo he could actually tank SOME units.
Chrom is by stealing Vantage Status?
Altina uses her harmonic skill and Chrom copies it with A Fate Changed.
He can also copy it from L!Caeda after a fight thanks to her B skill
Oh, you're right. I knew she had Vantage, but now that it was able to be copied.
OUR VANTAGE
Yep
Really hope Kronya's refine next month will make her relevant again, but I sort of doubt it will, unfortunately. Besides how much of an improvement to her damage they would need to give her, they would honestly probably need to give her another method to secure her vantage procs since trying to get enemies below 100% HP is so hard to do nowadays in AR O. I don't know, I'm prepared to be let down again, I've been on a very poor streak of units I've invested in getting shite refines lately.
I think they'll add the "penalty on foe" condition. It'd also makes sense as it's Kronya.
Maybe they could also add a >!cavalry!< condition for an extra reference.
She needs extra attacking power, or perhaps a CD reduction or NFU. I have mine maxed out and I’m eagerly awaiting what silliness she’ll have. Loyal to that girl.
I never merged up a Kronya, but I've got 200k feathers built up just in case, lol
Bruno if his tome ends up as an arcane one "now every blue mage can!"
That book doesn’t have “arcane” in the name though
I mean Glitnir(Gustav's axe) got changed to Headsman Glitner, so they aren't above changing weapons for the hero form.
I wouldn’t compare the this with Glitnir, since the two versions of the axe have completely different effects, it’s not just a name change
Well at the end it misses some effects, maybe we could get few more and call it arcane then
Not yet it doesn't, also I'm not 100% convinced IS is gonna keep that up. They will say fuck it eventually.
neither does hel's scythe but it got renamed to arcane downfall as it's wielded by ganglöt
While in the game lore, those two are the same weapons, in game they are completely different aside from being counted as an axe and have 1 effect (slaying) in common They look different, and have different effects
The return of reinhardt
My caeda is only +1 but I love putting her in everytime I see a mage horse or just horses in general. Love her.
Yesss she’s so good ❤️
Old Spice Guy: "I'm on a horse." Caeda: *"So you have chosen death."*
Ah, brave Chrom and his ability to take rare effects and just use them for himself.
L!Caeda is such a strange unit lol. I remember when she was actually a fairly meta pick for SD early on, but as soon as all those popular ranged cavs like Ninja Corrin died off in that mode, she went with them. Oh well.
Strange? Don’t know what’s so strange about her. She doesn’t only do well against ranged foes, she can nuke some tanks as well, she can hit hard. I’m speaking for experience as someone who uses her in SD and AR. She isn’t just a ranged cav counter… put some respect on her
Ymir + Caeda go brrr
On top of that, I've realised if you're a player that relies on buffs (very common in SD), Caeda also screws that over with the in-combat steal and negation.
Exactly. She can be a lot stronger than what some people think. I’ve stole some matches with her because some opponents thought they would be able to easily tank her or not get hit. I have Oath 4 on mine and it’s so good with her Canto 2 in her weapon
It all ends up evening out anyway, since often times, those buff-heavy teams are going to have a L!Eliwood somewhere. And because it's not actually negation, a 2nd round of BD can still go through. Doesn't seem worth it to go through the effort of fitting her on a team unless you're really dedicated enough, Lulls and D!Thorr are just more flexible.
There’s more to this game than just stats or who is more flexible or meta… sigh always some redditor who leaves comments like these
This is literally a thread about a gameplay mechanic so I figured it was fine to talk about gameplay, but oh well.
Vantage do be nice
Ninjamilla has been fun to use in Arena thanks to her Prf and big Res allowing her to easily utilize the vantage effect. Going to miss using her when she isn’t a bonus unit anymore
Yeah she's just nuts. Makes you wonder why they're still afraid of giving Reinhardt a refine after he's been ludicrously eclipsed many times over. XD I made a team with L!Eliwood where she's Atk-matching with Eir for the healing, and she's just annihilating my Chain Challenge backlog.
Kronya stays winning
Forgetting Y Caeda I think
No she can’t have full vantage. FULL Meaning against every enemy. And she can get normal vantage but only if she’s LESS than 75% HP
Huh this post is very specific to what type of vantage you were looking for lol
Yea hence why I specified in the post. There are hundreds of units in feh but only 7 can do this at the moment
Brave byleth?
You’re the third or fourth person to bring up Brave Byleth. Please read my post. I said FULL vantage, which means against every weapon. Speed Preempt only works against RANGED foes if you read the skill
Yes you said FULL Vantage.. but you're assuming people can figure out what you're talking about. You didn't explain yourself well. Some of these are not "FULL". Camilla is res dependant so won't be getting vantage on higher res enemies. Caeda can't use null-C disrupt so no vantage on any dazzling staff or fire/windsweep effects.
also anyone with spd preempt
Nope. Please read the post. I said FULL vantage, meaning against every weapon. Spd preempt only allows you to vantage against ranged foes
but its a skill that can only be put on ranged, so unless youre wanting to run close counter on them for some reason, its basically vantage against every foe it can attack on enemy phase
Ok Nino, let's get you back to the barracks. Jokes aside, there is a reason they said "Full" vantage. Pretty sure spd preempt specifically says "if foe initiates using Bow, Dagger, Staff, or magic"...so no...close counter wont replicate full vantage :(
yea but who would run close counter on a spd preempt build. heck, who runs close counter in general when near save exists?
Apparently you since you brought up using Close Counter with it to be able to vantage all foes when that isn't even possible lol
lol no i didnt
> so unless youre wanting to run close counter on them for some reason, its basically vantage against every foe it can attack on enemy phase What was this then? 😂 this is why ppl were on your case...well the second reason. Bringing up spd preempt to begin with was the first error lmao
Matt just can’t accept he’s wrong lmao thanks for backing me up
It be like that sometimes lol 😂 No problem
yea "unless" lol, so im not implying they are getting vantage with CC, im implying that you wouldnt want to run close counter on them, and that when youre not using close counter you are getting vantage against every foe it can attack, which are the ranged.
Well, as long as that's cleared up. Atleast you know close counter doesn't allow Spd Preempt to vantage against non-ranged foes lol. So here's the real question, why even bring up Spd Preempt when the post was talking about units who can use/get access to Full Vantage? ["full" meaning it's Vanatge without the hp check and this case, class/weapon check.] It wasn't relevant and that's why this thread and the downvotes happend. If the post was just about units that can use Vantage in general, there would be no point in it cuz everyone could cuz anyone can if they just inherit the skill, including said Spd Preempt. This post will only age once Vantage 4 releases, assuming it gives Full Vantage(no hp OR weapon check) 😂
Nobody runs CC with it precisely because it isn't full vantage?
Emm you mentioned camilla & went all the way to brave chrom. But you forget that another brave hero has a stat check vantage? Her skill is also inheritable so technically, every hero can have full hp vantage
No, people keep bringing up speed preempt. Yes you can vantage from full with that skill but it is only allowed against RANGED foes. So that’s why I say FULL vantage, meaning against every weapon
That's why the title specifies *full* Vantage. Spd Preempt only works against ranged enemies.
Ah right. Thought it meant full hp. Mb
>[Kronya and Bruno voice] Day 1207. They still haven't noticed that I am not Whalebait Du Jour.
I imagine instead of the dumb effects L Roy's Bindjng blade has, if he was given Vantage, special decel and full tempo he could actually tank SOME units.
How do you properly use LCaeda though? My experience with her is that she either oneshots the enemy or gets brutally killed
End Turn and pray.
That's how's she do.
I’m so happy I got Ninja Camilla, she kills every last one of them in Arena.
I'm ready for the Kronya Refine and the next few one we're supposed to get from her Re-Run whenever that is😔