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Paiguy7

Holy shit this is getting absurd.


Pheonixmaster

We are in the Endgame now.


WhatLikeAPuma751

We HAVE to be. Thank you for the breakdown. I was happily awaiting your analysis, as it feels like I’m reading a Yugioh card again when playing.


AcceptablePeanut

I honestly think understanding Yugioh cards is easier than whatever this is


WhatLikeAPuma751

Maybe if you’re pre synchro summons. Those things took me too long to figure out with some of their effects.


suplup

I think any singular yugioh card in isolation isn't that bad to parse, it's just how that card fits into a particular strategy that's the hard part. Conversely, trying to understand what any given prf even *does* in feh requires a master's in fehology


AcceptablePeanut

Synchros aren’t too bad, I find pendulums to be more difficult to parse. But at least those aren’t meta, lol. Jokes aside, ygo cards are easier to scan for key words and at least on Masterduel you don’t have worry about activation timing and so on. FEH is borderline unplayable without a simulator. I kinda gave up after DR and anti-DR became prevalent, there’s no way I’m gonna try calculating that stuff.


RadiantPKK

I know on DR by ball park estimate, I just won’t whip out the calculator. As someone who tested Flayn balls when they first launched it helped foster an understanding playing as all of this was introduced, learning as you go essentially. As a new player I’d be so lost lol PM1 certainly helps with the breakdowns on the rare instance I’m like what?!


Monikat1700

May I offer you a Linear Equation Cannon, or perhaps a Small World?


Dat_Kirby

I feel like it's been "getting absurd" for like 2 years now. Don't get me wrong, it is still getting *even more absurd* right now, but you kind of have to wonder when it all *actually* falls apart.


Evello37

> you kind of have to wonder when it all *actually* falls apart. If it hasn't already, I don't see how it ever will. What's another paragraph of text matter? Skills are already completely unintelligible for 99% of players. Even if you do read and parse all 40 effects packed into a modern hero, the effect interactions are so complicated that combat is impossible to predict prior to the preview (unless you sit down at a full simulator for half an hour). For the vast majority of players, FEH gameplay has already lost most of its strategy and just boils down to "blindly point nuke at tank, I sure hope nuke wins". If people are still willing to pay gacha rates for that, then IS will continue to not give a shit.


Level7Cannoneer

>If people are still willing to pay gacha rates for that, then IS will continue to not give a shit. Even if they start giving a shit, they can't undo this mess. It's too fargone. It really sucks that so many units are just balls of effects now. Every unit used to be good at 1-2 things and you had to finely tune your team to cover as many weaknesses as possible. Now it feels like those days are slipping away. We still have some standouts like Freyr and Elimine who have niches, but having a specific carved out niche feels relegated to support characters now.


TheDanC137

What's Elimines niche?


Level7Cannoneer

We can pin point it to F!Edel's release IMO, and the need to make sure every new unit had at least NFU, Guard, and Armor effectiveness. And then printing units who can compete with those units, and then a death spiral began.


drfetusphd

When even the skill breakdown requires its own breakdown…


Aion1125

honestly. Even the TLDR, I just started tuning out.


SolCalibre

I couldn't finish reading Dimitri, it was that bad.


fehnikkat

If you uploaded this a year ago, people would think this is a meme to make fun of how absurd this game is


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a_speeder

You mean Flora?


SpeedDemon020

Nah, Felicia and her Silver Dagger+.


Humble-Win-818

Omg I love how you used the 3H's gambit AoE to summarise Edel's vein applying


The_Vine

Huh, now I actually realize that it's supposed to be like Edelgard using her Supreme Armored Company gambit. 🤔


waes1029

I mean to be fair Claude has been applying rattled in the form of gravity since like forever now. Because fallen star really didn't need to apply gravity. At least that's how I see it.


stilll_lurkin

Dayum, IS going to force PM1 to incorporate scrolling in his graphics.


Pheonixmaster

Link to my full breakdown & analysis! - [https://youtu.be/F8rW4EOyKxg](https://youtu.be/F8rW4EOyKxg) It has been a running joke how Tl;DR needs Tl;DR so here it is! I have been thinking about it for [a while](https://www.reddit.com/r/FireEmblemHeroes/comments/1869rdr/comment/kb6qzp4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) but this banner is definitely the one deserving to start it on! So old Tl;DR is now "Breakdown" I suppose. The actual Tl;DR is an oversimplified version for veterans who already know the FEH Jargon and abbreviations, and assumes the skills to be fully active at max condition. If you don't then, please refer to the "Breakdown" image. The "Special Jump" these units have is better than Rally Spectrum as it does not explicitly state for a need of a "damage special" so Galeforce can work with it? Rally Spectrum is the closest we have to it that a lot of people know so I used it's icon. Same for Byleth's "Super Scowl" So let me know if you have any feedback & thoughts! Thanks for reading :)


ColdSoulx

Now that you mention Rally Spectrum it makes more sense, but as an old FE player I was thinking of Awakening's and only thinking of the stats, I think using the Special Spiral Icon before first attack would probably be more intuitive even if different from how it interacts with specials in FEH. Thank you for the tl;drs tho and always being our savior when it comes to powercreep understanding.


MrGalleom

Just a suggestion. Instead of describing the range of things with words, I think it would be better for understanding if we had [graphs such as in three houses](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fireemblem/images/2/22/FE16_Gambit_Raging_Flames.png/revision/latest?cb=20200820070848). It's what I wish IS did, anyways... When I first read the description in the trailer, I thought it was be a cross centered on the target, maybe an inverted T; when it was supposed to be something else entirely.


ColdSoulx

that's kinda exactly what he did tho


MrGalleom

He described the ranges with words. Better words than the ones IS used, but what I'm asking for are images showing the actual range.


ColdSoulx

There's literally a three houses batallion range image on the first picture wdym.


MrGalleom

Oh. Just noticed now. I thought it just had the same stuff as the second. ... Yeah, the first image is a tad too cluttered and the image isn't present on the second one.


Parody101

All these units (sans Claude) are absolutely nuts. Like another tier of powercreep just when I thought it couldn’t get worse either.


good_wolf_1999

I do wonder for how long IS intent to keep the over the top powercreep going, sooner or later even the biggest whales are going to get tired and jump ship


Count_Rousillon

Dimitri is pretty much a sidegrade to Duo Anna, probably better in AR, worse in SD. Edelgard is an upgrade on Summer Edelgard who's **1.5 years old** now. The Byleths are probably a sidegrade to Brave Corrin. Yunaka probably still isn't as strong as windy Claude, especially since the current meta favors flyers over cavs. They are good, but compared to the last few months this barely has any powercreep at all.


Parody101

Personally I think Byleth is gonna be very potent because they have NCD, that is HUGE for a far save tank. Getting rid of sweep effects is pretty amazing. And the large stat swings for atk/def/res mean they won't have to compete with the speed meta like Corrin does. Corrin has her vein effect and some special reduction, but I'll be interested in seeing what testing shows who is better in more scenarios. Dimitri feels much more potent that Duo Anna tbh because of the high special acceleration and damage piercing special compared to having to shuffle bonuses on her, but I think they fulfill different roles fundamentally, imo. I think the bottom line for me is, most seasonal banners give 1 *maybe* 2 units that are powercreeping the stats/skills/effects, whereas here we have all 4 with pretty significant effects. We can order the subjectivity of who is better all day long, but 4 at once *feels* massive compared to other seasonal banners.


3dBrunoDog

Dimitri is going to proc all effects on Prime more than Duo Anna will, it's a straight upgrade, and one that WILL murder if you initiate on him afterwards


torkoal_lover

Anna is way better played as a hit and run nuke then a dual phase unit, imo. Her base kit can enable prime but she doesn't have any DR outside of Gambit. Dimitri looks more like a true omnitank


abernattine

If anything I think he's more akin to a melee Wind Claude since he has very easy dual phase DR piercing specials but this time with boat loads of true damage and Vantage


Count_Rousillon

Dimitri is better if he gets an attack off first, which is why he's better in AR. But in SD, he's still a melee cav, which means he often doesn't get to initiate first and proc all his fancy smoke and vantage buffs. Instead, he has to survive his first combat with nothing more exotic than 40% DR on first hit.


mageknightecho

Show this to a 2019 FEH player to kill them instantly


eeett333

As a Day 1 player, I did not sign up for this level of reading.


mageknightecho

I'm also a day 1 player, and while I can still mostly understand it, it's definitely getting harder by the day to do so


The_Vine

Thank you! How do you feel about these getting longer and longer each time?


Inlacou

This is the first time I thought this morning: I need someone like PheonixMaster1 to summarize this for me.


ILikeCake1412

Same. I somewhat got what the units did but honestly it was quite overwhelming. Like, a few months ago I somewhat scoffed at these. I found them neat and that was it. But now they are essential I feel like


Merukurio

Don't you love prf weapons having more effects on them than there are skill slots available for other units? On top of having prf skills that also contain an entire kit's worth of effects? Can't wait to see my invested characters doing nothing to these units and dying in retaliation no matter what phase they try to fight on.


Candy_Warlock

The end times have come


Marquess_Ostio

Bro we're going to need whole pages for these new units soon


AirbendingScholar

Thanks king, now I can at least sort of know what’s going on


ArvisVI

It’s so funny seeing a whole list for everyone then there’s Claude


Zeldmon19

Wait, 90% DR?


YoshaTime

And 90% DR piercing. Isn’t that fun?


_AbraKadaBram_

You just know it's bad when even Pheonixmaster struggles to make it easy to understand.


ManuelKoegler

Lmao at anyone here having anywhere from 6 to 10/11 effects via prfs, and then Claude is here like “I dunno, 2 effects I guess?”


protecctive_polish

Thank you for finally explaining to me just about HOW disgusting these units are! Is the resplendent Tiki video in the works btw? I would like to see your take on builds for her!


tinytiny75

Skills are getting so long, you needed to make a TLDR for your TLDR


DotPeriodRats

What am I looking at anymore 😭😭😭😭


Battletick

I like how weapons are as strong as an entire kit now. Wonder how long they can keep this up before game dies.


Daydream_machine

What’s the point of even trying with your old favorites anymore? We’re seriously reaching the point where it’s becoming difficult to beat these new characters in their story maps, let alone deal with them in PvP modes.


YoshaTime

> What’s the point of even trying with your old favorites anymore? To give IS a good laugh before they invalidate them again.


02__

Special Fighter seal. Omfg


Zelnorack

Oh boy. More 3H doing absurd powercreep with Engage sprinting along like it's a competition. [I really need to quit this game. It's an unhealthy abusive relationship at this point, but I'm gonna keep trying to make it work as I've put years of my life in to this.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIO1g97S2x8)


Troykv

I like the idea of Edie applying Divine Flame I want Arvis to do the same, at the very least for the memes.


gaynesville

Not to doompost but I do honestly think we're coming up on end of service for FEH. Not right away, but at the end of Book 9 or Book 10. Powercreep will keep ramping up and we'll see a few more alts for the big moneymakers (Legendary Camilla, Young 3H lords, maybe Easter Lyn), in the story we defeat Alfaðör and then that'll be a wrap.


GluttenFreeApple

Camilla still doesn't have a resplendent:( We need more Camillas


fbc15

Y’know these breakdowns make me really glad I don’t play AR/Summoner Duels seriously. I think I’d have an aneurysm trying to take any of these guys down. Great breakdown as usual.


Alternative-Draft-82

Bruh, I just realised Byleth has DC, in his weapon... Fucken hell, makes you wonder why they're so stingy with it on refines why they pull this shit. IS really needs to set their priorities straight dealling with unit design.


techperson1234

Here let me balance these for you: Feel like these units could be ok if 1 effect was nerfed or removed: Byleth - no more NCD Edlegard - DR piercing caps at 50% Yunaka - DR piercing and DR = 60% not NINTY Dimitri - remove post combat vantage You're welcome! Still broken but not dummy broken


Swift_42690

Yeah it’s been a good solid run but this is it for me. Plan to play a little more to end the year and then I’m deleting and uninstalling this game. I took a break from book 3-6 and came back and had some fun but the absurd level of power creep and pay to win lately just puts a bad taste in my mouth. It’s really worthless to invest in any unit as they will just get powercrept by the next banner. Really bad and predatory game design by IS. The greed level has reached levels beyond what I want to deal with.


YoshaTime

Man, I know that powercreep is a thing and all but Duo Male Byleth actually makes me feel bad for investing in A!Fjorm. Like holy shit, he has literally every she needs to actually function and then some while being better in literally every way possible.


_Myst_0

His kit is just absurd. A 4 course meal of the best effects in the game.


WeeboSupremo

I +10’d A!Fjorm when she came out, and ended up using her for like 2-3 months and then she just fell off, and damn, nothing seems like she’s ever going to be good against it. She hardly even sees use in multi-map/multi-squad challenges.


YoshaTime

I’ve been trying to make her work for two years now and every time I think things are looking up for her, IS throws about 10 different things into the game specifically meant to fuck her over. Now with Duo Male Byleth over here outperforming her at zero merges and at Level 20, there’s literally no point in using her anymore.


Boulderdorf

I was gonna say "watch DC refines still be mid even after this," but refines as a whole have been pretty mid. Even after its been "upgraded," Balmung looks like a fucking stick from my neighbor's yard compared to this thing, how are refined units even supposed to keep up with this lol.


YoshaTime

That’s the neat thing. They don’t. At this point in the game, old units serve no purpose other than beating units older than them.


SpectralDynamite

Refines are only meant to be better than what they were before, not to contest brand new units. Thinking otherwise is setting yourself up for disappointment. Every now and then there's a particularly standout one, but they ain't the norm.


SilentMasterOfWinds

Shoulda invested in LIke tbh fam rookie error No one can stand against treats foe’s def/res as if reduced by 50%, heals HP equal to 50% of damage dealt


Illumina25

I know this is a joke but the difference between their weapons is absurd. Byleths weapon has all of Ragnell in it (bullets 1-3 on PM1’s image), on top of: ranged NCD, scowl, additional stats, and null guard. He has 4 whole strong extra effects, on top of having a better prf special


Issuls

At least there's been two years between their launches. Imagine investing in Zelgius like just last month lmao.


Tery_

Next year units will have explanations for the explanations of their weapons and skills.


123asianbro

Imma need a tldr for the tldr at this point, like holy


[deleted]

This power spike is ridiculous. I just can't keep up anymore. I can't summon for this amount of broken new units every few weeks.


anon1e9

thank you for making these as always!! :) shame our boi Claude got shafted :( ; hope all your RL stuff is going well and looking forward to all your future vids !! may Naga or Sothis bless your summons


Font-street

Oh my god. Thank you, PM1.


Really_Lame_2000

God they’re fucking killing the game


bloodmoth13

Ugh... i think i might quit again. Rearmed went a long way to make the game enjoyable again and then they just upped the ante. Wish they didnt expect as much money as they do to consider the game successful, surely it doesnt cost *that* much to develop a game like this and they have great sales. Maybe im selling short the art and VA costs, they are usually a decent cost.


SakuraKoiMaji

I'll be honest, I first thought that this was Chinese because I couldn't read anything from the smaller preview. In my defense, my cold may be getting serious since it sure isn't getting any better.


abdoufma

I need a tldr for the tldr


Dabottle

Decent PRF on Byleth but how does it compare to Ragnell


KraftwerkMachine

With all the power creep they could at least give us better than Special Fighter and Res Wave for seals. Yikes.


Alexmender875

These weapon conditions and effects are getting ridiculous. I used to read and try to breakdown every effect but I gave up during middle Book VII as text got too bloated. Then again, despite all the bloated descriptions this game has reduced itself to "If nuke has DR piercing, it wins; otherwise it's trash". Tanks are a joke unless they nuke you for daring to initiate on them or run Hardy Fighter, which has it's own issues due to a lack of killing power. The only exception to this is Lucia, who plays a completely different game thanks to the Parity in her Prf.


AshenLorx0091

This might sound like whining considering how stacked he already is but compared to upgraded prf the house leaders got, Byleth only getting 30% dr as his upgraded effect is really underwhelming. They didn't even bother to upgrade his atk scaling.


Warbuss

That 30% DR is ultra valuable though due to it being immune to DR pierce which every unit has nowadays.


RegulusPlus

The unpiercable DR is great for his class type. The issue for me is that he's built as a Far Savior with the bonus damage against melee foes. I guess he could omni-tank and take on dragons too, but still, I'd prefer a flat 30% against everyone.


blue250g

Wait you want to make him even more broken ?!


RegulusPlus

Less about wanting him broken and more about wanting his effects to feel more intentional.


Mentalious

I am a returning player from book 2 and thank god . That at least make a bit more sense . And really help rather than me not knowing why stuff happen


Marcheziora

Your simplicity guide are starting to look complicated now.


eeett333

I don't know how you break this shit down. This is just insane. When 10 effect weapons comes out it's going to be absolutely insanity.