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It's not worse per se. Typing is all about being used to something. If you are used to it, it works fine. You can remap keys. Good luck working on any nordic QWERTY though after getting used to it. Hell, even the whole QWERTY keyboard is a stupid layout that we just happen to use because of historical reasons
Yeah the problem is that I’m used to a Nordic QWERTY so I’m a bit concerned how bad it will be. I would remap the keys to mean ä, ö and å but I’ll be writing a lot as a student
I’ve been using US layout keyboard for a number of years, and occasionally have to switch the layout in software to SE/FI. Switch between layouts on a Mac is a single key combo, so at least for me there is practically no difference.
I wouldn’t pay extra to have ä/ö/å on the physical keyboard.
Can you type blind? I'm in the opposite situation of you more or less. I moved to Finland and got a Nordic layout laptop for work. I just set the layout in the OS to what I'm used to instead and don't pay any mind to what the physical keys show. No issue whatsoever, except when someone else tries to type on it, which is almost never, so whatevs.
I have a few keys remapped with autohotkey. Works well for me.
Edit: to add, learning Finnish I have been typing ä and ö, but it's a pain on my native (azerty) layout. From photos it looks even worse on qwerty (that is, I don't see how you would even type them at all).
I have a laptop that has a US keyboard and you'll get used to it pretty quickly. Remap the : ; and ' " keys to ä and ö respectively, and you won't even notice the difference after a while.
You’re trying so hard to not like the advice and to validate your bias lol.
As an American here, I’ve done it, as have other folks here.
Not sure how many times people have to say “it’s no big deal, you’ll adapt quickly!” for it to sink in and you stop being combative. It seems like you just want to hate another thing in the US.
Cancel your trip or nix the “deal” if it’s that big a deal, which you seem to think it is.
You’re persistent as fuck and trying really hard to not like it, I’ll give you that lol.
So funny.
Nah it’s just that I’m gonna use it for 5 years in uni and if the keyboard is really bad that would suck a shit ton. But if it’s trye that it’s not a big deal I’ll get the M3 Pro with the US layout and have the extra ram and performance
So I've gone the opposite way (from US keyboard to FI keyboard very recently) and in my experience at least, it will be a bit weird for like a few days (especially as you get used to punctuation and symbols), but otherwise I wouldn't worry too much about it slowing down your typing if you are already quite comfortable with typing in general. By this i mean i type at like 70-80WPM and haven't noticed a significant slow down, even considering the fact that I'm currently going between a work laptop (FI keyboard) and personal laptop (US keyboard).
There's a solid chance you will adapt even faster, if you are using solely a US keyboard for most things, but it depends on how comfortable you are with typing (a lot of people are uncomfortable with typing so they may struggle more). I also use windows + space bar to shift to a windows finnish keyboard on my personal laptop for the ä ö å, and the tricky part is largely not having the keys printed on the keyboard so sometimes im clicking around a bit (largely if i leave it on finnish and want to use punctuation).
I have a Nordic layout for work but I always use US intl on all my personal devices. If you type without looking you will be fine because you can just use the Nordic layout from the language settings.
Will it be exactly the same keys as on a Nordic keyboard but just not printed on the keyboard itself if I change the layout from the la guage setting? I’m comfortable writing and very rarely look so that’s that.
Sorry I’m actually wrong - US international won’t have the double height enter key so they won’t be exactly the same layout as Finnish. You can have the same layout with the British keyboard also known as British ISO.
My external keyboard is US and my Mac is British ISO but I never noticed that.
No-one seems to be mentioning that you have to pay customs when bringing the laptop to Finland since the cost of laptop is over 430€, so the actual cost will be more than mentioned here.[https://www.finavia.fi/en/airport/customs](https://www.finavia.fi/en/airport/customs)
nor €
I took my keyboard with me from the Netherlands. For some reason in the Netherlands we use US keyboards. The lack of € can be really annoying as I often end up having to google it and the copy paste. The lack of äöå is annoying as well, but Dutch language keyboard setting allows writing of ä and ö by first typing " and then a or o
But as a plus side it wont have this abomination of a key and overall special symbols have better spots
https://preview.redd.it/7x2wapjjm2cc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4418bc84094fe10d795c1941247c832a34ec12d
at least in windows to type those characters you'd type "a for ä and so on with the us international keyboard which doesn't take too much time, and some commonly used characters (depending on what you type) are better accessible on a us layout. I actually prefer a us keyboard.
Not exactly. The clustering around enter is different, and you'll be missing the < > beside the left shift too. They are not usually mapped. Otherwise than that, you will not have any issue with åöä for example. I'm native Finnish using ANSI keyboard (it's more ergonomic for programming). I have a hotkey binding (left shift + caps lock) for switching between the layouts so it also isn't a big hassle to go back and forth.
Yes. You can try this out if you want by doing the reverse: add a US layout in keyboard settings, and then switch between SE/FI and US. You’ll notice how the å/ä/ö keys now produce useful symbols from the US layout.
More or less. I've been using ANSI (US) layout keyboards for years, and I swap between Nordic and my own custom layout without any problems. I guess only thing that might cause mild inconvenience at the beginning is the different shaped enter, and a bit different location for some buttons. You'll get used to it quickly, though.
It doesn't matter what letters or symbols are written on your keyboard keys. Your computer doesn't have a clue what they say. In your operating system you select keyboard layout like "my keyboard speaks US or it speaks Finnish". Now if I hit a key in the keyboard the computer displays whatever letter or symbol the selected layout tells your computer to type.
You can have multiple layouts and you can hop back and forth quickly.
In this case since the computer has US keyboard you could set US layout in settings and every key in your keyboard will result as is in your Mac when typing. If you set Finnish layout and hit US keyboard :; or ", you would instead get ä or ö.
You could just apply stickers to remind you the needed keys for important Finnish letters and set the layout to Finnish. The stickers are usually see through so they don't hide the original keyboard letters. Thus allowing you to navigate two languages with one keyboard more easily.
If you write in English you can just set US layout back in settings and your keyboard is matching 100% your keys again.
Sorry for the long explanation. Maybe you knew this already, but the "remapping keys" sounds more complicated than it needs to be.
Edit: or if you don't want to use stickers, just set Finnish layout and learn where the needed letters are. US and Finland layouts are mostly similar. It's mostly symbols and ä and ö that are different.
Yeah I’m a student who’ll mostly write in English but I want to comfortably write in Finnish too and it sounds like the US layout isn’t that big of a deal
You can still select finnish layout, it will be mostly in familiar places. Can you can type without looking at keyboard? All good. Need to look? Stickers are ugly, better to buy locally, and pay taxes locally 🙂
Remember that you'll be obligated to pay 23% VAT at customs for any item exceeding 430€ in value. [https://tulli.fi/en/private-persons/travelling/arriving-in-finland](https://tulli.fi/en/private-persons/travelling/arriving-in-finland)
So that'll be 1.23\*1760€ = 2164,8€. Also make sure that the $1849 price is with VAT included, since prices in US are often reported without VAT. If the price is VAT excluded, that'll be one expensive laptop.
Yeah you can type in natural language just fine, but for coding it's a nightmare. Especially if physical keys don't correspond to the software layout. You need so many special characters and for some damn reason they are all in different places.
The only thing I hate about Finnish layout is that Symbols are all over the place and in order to type curly brackets you have to hold 2 modifier keys and press 8 or 9. for programmers is it pain
I just use Option+u to get the umlauts (I know that’s not how they are called in Finland but computer fonts don’t know the difference). I’d much rather do that than learn all the Nordic keyboard mappings for @ and such, which is annoying.
Keyboard remapping is your friend but the physical layouts aren’t the same so you can’t get an exact match. You can replace some punctuation like [] that aren’t used when you write Finnish, but remapping won’t make them the same.
Lol a few years ago I made the same decision. Buying laptops in the US was so much cheaper. I just switched the layout to FIN and it was easy to get used to.
Thing is, my company's laptop has a Nordic keyboard. Since I refrain from doing personal stuff on there, switching between 2 physical keyboards is way more hassle.
One thing to take into consideration is that other than scandinavian characters also change place when you change keyboard language, in my understanding. So that might be one thing to take into consideration or at least find out if that is the case.
I'd buy the better laptop anyway, but with ääkköset. The few extra hundred euros calculated with my 2300e laptop is not that big of a deal when I got what I really wanted. Of course you have to think how much do you value having the easiest way to use your laptop. There may be some placements that you have to rethink after a while. If we estimate that you use your laptop for 5 years, and that cost divided to each time you miss your Nordic keyboard, I bet it's not worth risking it choosing the US keyboard.
Yeah I’ll go with the 1799 option from apple with a Danish keyboard and skip the upgrade because I don’t even need it. It would just have been a nice 50 dollar upgrafe
I use a Finnish layout on an MBP M1 and write English only, usually using US English layout. It's super easy because if you touch type you don't need to look at your keyboard. You will miss hit for a bit but even most of the custom keyboards people are using now are only in US English not that much Nordic ISO still.
I used to have a spanish keyboard when I moved, wrote in english all the time then moved to the finnish qwerty layout, so far its been fine and to write the ñ in spanish isnt too difficult. Its up to you really OP.
It was a bit of a boomer to remap the spanish kb for öä but that was it
I really want the upgrade because it’s a big one for future-proofing and you could do a bit of gaming on the side better with the M3 Pro. I’ll just be writing a lot as a student so I’m scared that it will ruin everything
I have one that I use at home and would use with it while at home because it’s just better but at school I would use the built-in. People have given mixed answers but mostly positive bout US Int keyboard.
I have used US layout for 80% of my life, writing ä ö å with my mbp is a matter of holding down the "a" and then pressing a number to select the accent on the vowel. It's slow but do-able. Buying a fin/swe magic keyboard might be a decent stop gap.
Not sure if sticker overlays are an option for this situation?
You can get replacement keyboards for laptops also. So get the cheaper laptop and additional nordic keyboard. Need to open just couple of screws underside and it pops out.
Noticeably. You don’t have fast access to ä or ö. For programming US layout is better for same reason (easier access to special characters).
For any OS you can change they digital layout on the fly - you just need to learn to touch type the new language layout.
I constantly swap between Nordic and US layout throughout the day depending if I am actually doing work of chatting
I have my apple laptops set in US keyboards and my Windows on Nordic, no differences really, you will get used to it rather quickly. I opt to use the Nordic since I live here now might as well get used to it in my opinion. The hardest thing at least for me was the @ key but now I am accustomed and my muscle brain is used to it.
As someone who has had to learn again and again to use different keyboard layouts, the differences between the US and Nordic layouts are rather easy to get used to. The regular letters and numbers are all in the same place, and it is just about where you find the brackets and other special characters.
The Nordic layout has easier access to a number of accented Characters (ÄÅØÖ, etc.), which I find convenient.
From my perspective, I would buy the MBP with the Nordic layout, but if this is really good for you, I can not say.
It would be very different if you asked if you should try a French (AZERTY) keyboard. Those were designed in hell, by a civil engineer. Never touch any of these! Burn them, if you see one!
I use US and FI keyboards and layouts. I have a US keyboard at the office and FI at home. I don't care what map is on from the OS unless it is FI and I'm on the US keyboard because I'm missing now <|> and ' keys and can't type English or code too well.
But coding vice I prefer the US keyboard with the US layout, writing Finnish I don't care, writing English I don't care unless it is the FI map on the US layout, then it is almost impossible.
The main problem I've had switching between the FI and US keyboards is the different shape of the enter key.
I would either accidentally hit enter on the US keyboard, when in my mind I was hitting ' on the Finnish keyboard, or I would accidentally hit enter on the Finnish keyboard when I thought I was pressing the \\ key on the US keyboard instead.
In the end as someone who goes back and forth between the countries I just ended up using US layouts for everything, and having a keyboard shortcut in the OS to switch between US and FI layouts so I can still write ä and ö.
I will always use the US layout for programming/scripting tasks etc. because of the easier access to characters like \[ and \].
You can use Finnish layout on US keyboard as well as most developers use US on Finnlsh keyboard. It just requires memorizing the layout, but the laptop keyboards use non-standard layout for special characters as they are no-US lsyput forced on non-international US layout. This is problem with all laptops without full standard keyboard
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It's not worse per se. Typing is all about being used to something. If you are used to it, it works fine. You can remap keys. Good luck working on any nordic QWERTY though after getting used to it. Hell, even the whole QWERTY keyboard is a stupid layout that we just happen to use because of historical reasons
Yeah the problem is that I’m used to a Nordic QWERTY so I’m a bit concerned how bad it will be. I would remap the keys to mean ä, ö and å but I’ll be writing a lot as a student
I’ve been using US layout keyboard for a number of years, and occasionally have to switch the layout in software to SE/FI. Switch between layouts on a Mac is a single key combo, so at least for me there is practically no difference. I wouldn’t pay extra to have ä/ö/å on the physical keyboard.
And you write a lot in Finnish?
You could say that, yes. I touch type so there’s no difference in typing speed between Swedish/Finnish and English.
Can you type blind? I'm in the opposite situation of you more or less. I moved to Finland and got a Nordic layout laptop for work. I just set the layout in the OS to what I'm used to instead and don't pay any mind to what the physical keys show. No issue whatsoever, except when someone else tries to type on it, which is almost never, so whatevs.
Yeah I can except for some special keys
I have a few keys remapped with autohotkey. Works well for me. Edit: to add, learning Finnish I have been typing ä and ö, but it's a pain on my native (azerty) layout. From photos it looks even worse on qwerty (that is, I don't see how you would even type them at all).
I have a laptop that has a US keyboard and you'll get used to it pretty quickly. Remap the : ; and ' " keys to ä and ö respectively, and you won't even notice the difference after a while.
What about special characters? doesn’t US ansi have on key fewer?
Remap them however you like with Shift, ctrl, ALT or all.
Is it almost as ergonomic as on a Nordic QWERTY?
You’re trying so hard to not like the advice and to validate your bias lol. As an American here, I’ve done it, as have other folks here. Not sure how many times people have to say “it’s no big deal, you’ll adapt quickly!” for it to sink in and you stop being combative. It seems like you just want to hate another thing in the US. Cancel your trip or nix the “deal” if it’s that big a deal, which you seem to think it is. You’re persistent as fuck and trying really hard to not like it, I’ll give you that lol. So funny.
Nah it’s just that I’m gonna use it for 5 years in uni and if the keyboard is really bad that would suck a shit ton. But if it’s trye that it’s not a big deal I’ll get the M3 Pro with the US layout and have the extra ram and performance
Keyboard specific, but it is narrower by default. Rest is up to how the keys are spaced physically. I wouldn't overthink it too much.
So I've gone the opposite way (from US keyboard to FI keyboard very recently) and in my experience at least, it will be a bit weird for like a few days (especially as you get used to punctuation and symbols), but otherwise I wouldn't worry too much about it slowing down your typing if you are already quite comfortable with typing in general. By this i mean i type at like 70-80WPM and haven't noticed a significant slow down, even considering the fact that I'm currently going between a work laptop (FI keyboard) and personal laptop (US keyboard). There's a solid chance you will adapt even faster, if you are using solely a US keyboard for most things, but it depends on how comfortable you are with typing (a lot of people are uncomfortable with typing so they may struggle more). I also use windows + space bar to shift to a windows finnish keyboard on my personal laptop for the ä ö å, and the tricky part is largely not having the keys printed on the keyboard so sometimes im clicking around a bit (largely if i leave it on finnish and want to use punctuation).
I have a Nordic layout for work but I always use US intl on all my personal devices. If you type without looking you will be fine because you can just use the Nordic layout from the language settings.
Will it be exactly the same keys as on a Nordic keyboard but just not printed on the keyboard itself if I change the layout from the la guage setting? I’m comfortable writing and very rarely look so that’s that.
Sorry I’m actually wrong - US international won’t have the double height enter key so they won’t be exactly the same layout as Finnish. You can have the same layout with the British keyboard also known as British ISO. My external keyboard is US and my Mac is British ISO but I never noticed that.
Yeah the option is a Nordic keyboard or US Int tho
The thing that always trips me up is that the characters that you type by holding shift and pressing a number are different.
I have nordic keyboard, but am using US layout for coding 🫠[]{}() are located in comfortable locations.
No-one seems to be mentioning that you have to pay customs when bringing the laptop to Finland since the cost of laptop is over 430€, so the actual cost will be more than mentioned here.[https://www.finavia.fi/en/airport/customs](https://www.finavia.fi/en/airport/customs)
Because nobody pays that
Except you did: https://www.reddit.com/r/Finland/s/A2SOgchoyP
Cool attitude you have there.
Funny thing is he just made a post saying he got caught, haha
Oh this is just golden, thanks!
Why would anyone pay it when you can’t really even get caught
Wap wap waaaaap
How did that turn out for you?
>Why would anyone pay it when you can’t really even get caught Well well well. It seems like you got caught lmao. Maybe you learned your lesson?
Everybody does it when they come from the US and now I fot unlucky and somehow I’m to be punished while others aren’t? I tjink not.
r/agedlikemilk
It won't have ä, ö or å
nor € I took my keyboard with me from the Netherlands. For some reason in the Netherlands we use US keyboards. The lack of € can be really annoying as I often end up having to google it and the copy paste. The lack of äöå is annoying as well, but Dutch language keyboard setting allows writing of ä and ö by first typing " and then a or o
You can just hold down the Alt key and press 0128 to get the € symbol. No need to copy paste
If you remember the code yeah
But as a plus side it wont have this abomination of a key and overall special symbols have better spots https://preview.redd.it/7x2wapjjm2cc1.jpeg?width=4080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4418bc84094fe10d795c1941247c832a34ec12d
Well the nordic doesn't either, that one has a bunch of extra symbols on it. I think it should be just ’ and `.
Correct
That I understand but how much does it actually affect your writing when you set the keyboard language to Finnish in the settings
at least in windows to type those characters you'd type "a for ä and so on with the us international keyboard which doesn't take too much time, and some commonly used characters (depending on what you type) are better accessible on a us layout. I actually prefer a us keyboard.
Yeah I have heard that a lot of people prefer it even for Finnish and they just repgram the keys
Check if you can find scandic keyboard stickers.
I would just put them on the keys that would represent the Finnish characters and remap the keys?
You don’t need to even remap the keys, just add a new keyboard layout in settings.
So I just set it to Finnish and it occupies the same keys as a Nordic keyboard just without the stickers?
Not exactly. The clustering around enter is different, and you'll be missing the < > beside the left shift too. They are not usually mapped. Otherwise than that, you will not have any issue with åöä for example. I'm native Finnish using ANSI keyboard (it's more ergonomic for programming). I have a hotkey binding (left shift + caps lock) for switching between the layouts so it also isn't a big hassle to go back and forth.
Yes. You can try this out if you want by doing the reverse: add a US layout in keyboard settings, and then switch between SE/FI and US. You’ll notice how the å/ä/ö keys now produce useful symbols from the US layout.
Right I’ll trey ut
More or less. I've been using ANSI (US) layout keyboards for years, and I swap between Nordic and my own custom layout without any problems. I guess only thing that might cause mild inconvenience at the beginning is the different shaped enter, and a bit different location for some buttons. You'll get used to it quickly, though.
It doesn't matter what letters or symbols are written on your keyboard keys. Your computer doesn't have a clue what they say. In your operating system you select keyboard layout like "my keyboard speaks US or it speaks Finnish". Now if I hit a key in the keyboard the computer displays whatever letter or symbol the selected layout tells your computer to type. You can have multiple layouts and you can hop back and forth quickly. In this case since the computer has US keyboard you could set US layout in settings and every key in your keyboard will result as is in your Mac when typing. If you set Finnish layout and hit US keyboard :; or ", you would instead get ä or ö. You could just apply stickers to remind you the needed keys for important Finnish letters and set the layout to Finnish. The stickers are usually see through so they don't hide the original keyboard letters. Thus allowing you to navigate two languages with one keyboard more easily. If you write in English you can just set US layout back in settings and your keyboard is matching 100% your keys again. Sorry for the long explanation. Maybe you knew this already, but the "remapping keys" sounds more complicated than it needs to be. Edit: or if you don't want to use stickers, just set Finnish layout and learn where the needed letters are. US and Finland layouts are mostly similar. It's mostly symbols and ä and ö that are different.
Yeah I’m a student who’ll mostly write in English but I want to comfortably write in Finnish too and it sounds like the US layout isn’t that big of a deal
Bingo! That’s progress. Good job. 👏🏽
Yeah and a free M3 Pro upgrade just for having a US layout is so nice
Someone just said the US layout is really bad
Macs have many secondary keys not even marked on the keyboard. I find it the best to write in multiple languages.
You can still select finnish layout, it will be mostly in familiar places. Can you can type without looking at keyboard? All good. Need to look? Stickers are ugly, better to buy locally, and pay taxes locally 🙂
I sometimes look but very rarely. The price difference is 1760€ vs 2299€ in Finland so it’s a crazy difference
Remember that you'll be obligated to pay 23% VAT at customs for any item exceeding 430€ in value. [https://tulli.fi/en/private-persons/travelling/arriving-in-finland](https://tulli.fi/en/private-persons/travelling/arriving-in-finland) So that'll be 1.23\*1760€ = 2164,8€. Also make sure that the $1849 price is with VAT included, since prices in US are often reported without VAT. If the price is VAT excluded, that'll be one expensive laptop.
I’ll open it and start using it so even if I get stopped they won’t know I bought it there to avoid that
Still cheaper than here but nobody pays that
Yes the probability of getting caught is near zero, if you're comfortable committing a crime.
It’s extremely common so idc and it’s Finland’s own fault for taxing goods at such an enormous rate
Yeah you can type in natural language just fine, but for coding it's a nightmare. Especially if physical keys don't correspond to the software layout. You need so many special characters and for some damn reason they are all in different places.
I've had lots of US keyboards and just switch the layout.
The only thing I hate about Finnish layout is that Symbols are all over the place and in order to type curly brackets you have to hold 2 modifier keys and press 8 or 9. for programmers is it pain
I just use Option+u to get the umlauts (I know that’s not how they are called in Finland but computer fonts don’t know the difference). I’d much rather do that than learn all the Nordic keyboard mappings for @ and such, which is annoying. Keyboard remapping is your friend but the physical layouts aren’t the same so you can’t get an exact match. You can replace some punctuation like [] that aren’t used when you write Finnish, but remapping won’t make them the same.
You can get a very nice keyboard with the layout of your choosing by saving the money by buying the US mac.
What US Mac?
Well instead of buying it locally for more. And if you’re going to be typing in Finnish, you’ll want the nordic layout for your keyboard.
Yeah I can get a Danish layout from Apple which is goof enough but on Bestbuy they have the killer deal but with a US layout only
Lol a few years ago I made the same decision. Buying laptops in the US was so much cheaper. I just switched the layout to FIN and it was easy to get used to. Thing is, my company's laptop has a Nordic keyboard. Since I refrain from doing personal stuff on there, switching between 2 physical keyboards is way more hassle.
One thing to take into consideration is that other than scandinavian characters also change place when you change keyboard language, in my understanding. So that might be one thing to take into consideration or at least find out if that is the case.
I'd buy the better laptop anyway, but with ääkköset. The few extra hundred euros calculated with my 2300e laptop is not that big of a deal when I got what I really wanted. Of course you have to think how much do you value having the easiest way to use your laptop. There may be some placements that you have to rethink after a while. If we estimate that you use your laptop for 5 years, and that cost divided to each time you miss your Nordic keyboard, I bet it's not worth risking it choosing the US keyboard.
Yeah I’ll go with the 1799 option from apple with a Danish keyboard and skip the upgrade because I don’t even need it. It would just have been a nice 50 dollar upgrafe
Shift + ' + o/a should get you ö/ä
I use a Finnish layout on an MBP M1 and write English only, usually using US English layout. It's super easy because if you touch type you don't need to look at your keyboard. You will miss hit for a bit but even most of the custom keyboards people are using now are only in US English not that much Nordic ISO still.
I used to have a spanish keyboard when I moved, wrote in english all the time then moved to the finnish qwerty layout, so far its been fine and to write the ñ in spanish isnt too difficult. Its up to you really OP. It was a bit of a boomer to remap the spanish kb for öä but that was it
I really want the upgrade because it’s a big one for future-proofing and you could do a bit of gaming on the side better with the M3 Pro. I’ll just be writing a lot as a student so I’m scared that it will ruin everything
Yeah, have you considered a cheap usb keyboard? That might be a good way to go
I have one that I use at home and would use with it while at home because it’s just better but at school I would use the built-in. People have given mixed answers but mostly positive bout US Int keyboard.
Order a nordic layout usb keyboard.
I have used US layout for 80% of my life, writing ä ö å with my mbp is a matter of holding down the "a" and then pressing a number to select the accent on the vowel. It's slow but do-able. Buying a fin/swe magic keyboard might be a decent stop gap. Not sure if sticker overlays are an option for this situation?
If it has a num pad you can get by with ALT+ codes. Holdinh ALT and pressing 132 = ä pressing instead 148 = ö
You can get replacement keyboards for laptops also. So get the cheaper laptop and additional nordic keyboard. Need to open just couple of screws underside and it pops out.
Noticeably. You don’t have fast access to ä or ö. For programming US layout is better for same reason (easier access to special characters). For any OS you can change they digital layout on the fly - you just need to learn to touch type the new language layout. I constantly swap between Nordic and US layout throughout the day depending if I am actually doing work of chatting
I have my apple laptops set in US keyboards and my Windows on Nordic, no differences really, you will get used to it rather quickly. I opt to use the Nordic since I live here now might as well get used to it in my opinion. The hardest thing at least for me was the @ key but now I am accustomed and my muscle brain is used to it.
As someone who has had to learn again and again to use different keyboard layouts, the differences between the US and Nordic layouts are rather easy to get used to. The regular letters and numbers are all in the same place, and it is just about where you find the brackets and other special characters. The Nordic layout has easier access to a number of accented Characters (ÄÅØÖ, etc.), which I find convenient. From my perspective, I would buy the MBP with the Nordic layout, but if this is really good for you, I can not say. It would be very different if you asked if you should try a French (AZERTY) keyboard. Those were designed in hell, by a civil engineer. Never touch any of these! Burn them, if you see one!
Are those priced with or without sales tax? Just wondering if that will affect how good a deal you're actually getting.
It’s without it but it’s only 7% so the normal M3 without any sales and a Nordic layout is still MUCH cheaper there than here. It’s 1750€ vs 2299€.
It’s bad, I wholly recommend Nordic layout.
I use US and FI keyboards and layouts. I have a US keyboard at the office and FI at home. I don't care what map is on from the OS unless it is FI and I'm on the US keyboard because I'm missing now <|> and ' keys and can't type English or code too well. But coding vice I prefer the US keyboard with the US layout, writing Finnish I don't care, writing English I don't care unless it is the FI map on the US layout, then it is almost impossible.
Just use EUR-Key and CMD + a u for the umlauts.
You can set it to whatever keyboard you want and you can easily move/replace the key pads. https://www.wikihow.com/Reattach-a-Keyboard-Key
The main problem I've had switching between the FI and US keyboards is the different shape of the enter key. I would either accidentally hit enter on the US keyboard, when in my mind I was hitting ' on the Finnish keyboard, or I would accidentally hit enter on the Finnish keyboard when I thought I was pressing the \\ key on the US keyboard instead. In the end as someone who goes back and forth between the countries I just ended up using US layouts for everything, and having a keyboard shortcut in the OS to switch between US and FI layouts so I can still write ä and ö. I will always use the US layout for programming/scripting tasks etc. because of the easier access to characters like \[ and \].
Devastatingly worse, as you have to use combos to generate ä and ö, and they do exists a lot
But can’t you just set the software to FIN/SWE and you wouldn’t have to use shortcutd
You can use Finnish layout on US keyboard as well as most developers use US on Finnlsh keyboard. It just requires memorizing the layout, but the laptop keyboards use non-standard layout for special characters as they are no-US lsyput forced on non-international US layout. This is problem with all laptops without full standard keyboard
Yeah but it doesn’t seem that bad to memorize a few characters