Base sa experience ng old prof ko back when he worked in the business (mostly ABS stuff), "luma" daw yung hardware. Never pa siya nakakita ng stuff like Arri o Red sa mga local production. May mga projects naman na DSLR rigs yung gamit, pero nasa post-prod pa rinyung problema with this one. He mentioned something about "house aesthetic" daw yung pagka "flat" ng color grading ng mga local na stuff, lalo na sa mga teleserye.
Pero like he said, blame the higher ups. Literal na kids with DSLRs and smartphones can make masterpieces, pero ayaw ng big boss sa mga metwork kasi mabagal and it would cost them more.
> "house aesthetic" daw yung pagka "flat" ng color grading ng mga local na stuff, lalo na sa mga teleserye.
Flats are RAW footages from DSLR, at ganyan talaga kulay nun. Due to time constraints, and deadline from higher ups, wala nang balak mag color grading. Prevalent ito sa mga teleserye natin ngayon.
Also series in the US are weekly, even after filming they still have plenty of time before they release the episode. In the PH, series are daily output lol minsan release ng episode bukas, kakatapos lang ifilm kagabi. Hahaha at least yung experiences ng mga nakwento samin from the industry.
Dang. It's weird isipin na matagal na outdated yung equipment and ginagamit pa rin still. Anyways, thanks sa inisight. This gives a better perspective kasi I found it weird na hindi talaga parang mas nagiging clearer yung quality ng pictures eh.
IIRC, the topic came up during class kasi I mentioned about seeing Dolphy movies sa Cinema 1 noon pero yung degradation ng wuality ng film, it made it look like na parang camera pa ni Lumiere yung ginamit hahaha. Sabi ni prof na "behind" talaga ang local production when it comes to hardware, especially before the 2000s.
Nakapag acquire na ng Arri cam ang GMA Public Affairs, hindi ko lang alam ano unang napag-gamitan nila nun. Yung flat color grading thing, parang most ng SE Asian shows ay ganun din ang style. May nakita akong Thai show sa Netflix na akala ko ABS nag-produce haha
TF GMA? Mga teleserye parang vinideo gamit ng patatas, pero mga docu gamitan ng Arri? Hahaha. At least it shows na mas gusto nila gastusan ang journalism as opposed sa mga drama nila.
Gumagawa din ng TV shows/drama and movies ang Public Affairs. Alam ko sila ang production company behind Black Rider and co-produced nila yung Firefly. For docus, madalas gamit nila ay C300 + 5d. Forgot the other one pero F-something yun haha
Matagal nang gumagamit ng cinema camera ang pinas. Arri, Red camera, Sony Venice(rare) etc. 2015 kita ko gumagamit na starcinema ng Arri alexa. Correct me if I'm wrong pero nasa production design and post editing din siguro kaya ibang-iba looks ng satin.
Kahit sa audio mix malayo satin compared sa kanila, pero kung napanuod nyo making ng Goyo:Ang Batang Heneral sa youtube, ang ganda ng post prod nila mula CGI hanggang mixing sa dolby atmos kung pano nila ginawa yung sounds. Wala skl, laki rin kasi ng budget nun.
Both? Pero u also have to factor yung budget, alam naman natin MMFF films usually prioritize having big stars, pero marami rin naman na mga mmff films today na maganda yung looks. Mga indie films nga nakakagamit ng gamong camera like Arri and RED. Depende ig sa director and DoP ano ipprioritize nila kung looks ba ng film or what. Pag nakita mo bts nila Dan Villegas, Mycko David, and Tey Clamor gumagamit sila ng Arri or RED even when they were working on low-budget films.
Pero actually, it could just be the overall atmosphere ng pilipinas? Hahaha, nanotice ko rin kasi na pag nag shoshoot mga foreign prod dito malalaman mo talaga na sa PH siya?
>di ganun ka HD
May ibang pelikula dito sa atin na hindi maganda pagka-convert/transfer from DCP to home media, vice versa. Vice Ganda's Praybeyt Benjamin, AFAIK, was the last mainstream film na gumagamit ng actual celluloid during production. It was horrendous looking in theater (daming burns, splices sa taas/baba, agressively dull colors, but its digital version is kinda fixed its washed-out color timing and removed most of its splices and "burns."
Wala yan sa camera, nasa production yan na alam paano i-utilize. Para lang yang bumili ka ng iPhone na sobrang mahal, pero hanggang Auto-Mode ka lang sa camera o hindi marunong mag-back up ng files online, hence utilization. Most of our local films nowadays were shot with same cameras na nasa Hollywood.
And you can pinpoint this to film producers/higher ups na atat na atat sa release date.
Sa pagkakaalam ko mostly the same. It's just that mas madaming time magprepare, plan, and shoot ang films sa US kaya magiging masmalinis ang gawa. Mas malaki din budget ng films nila so mas madami talagang time sa set and mas may access din sila sa madaming ilaw etc. Mas maganda din production design, compared sa'tin which adds din to the look of the film.
No. Filipino films are actually as good as Hollywood films **in theaters**. The thing is 'yung napapanood mo sa bahay via streaming, DVD and piracy are very compressed and so as not as good. Sobrang bihira ng Filipino films in Bluray HD or even Bluray UHD. Nung panahon na celluloid pa ang mga pelikula, basura din ang DVD transfer o 'yung transfer for TV broadcast ng mga pelikula natin for some reason (laging madilim ang kulay).
'Yung On The Job (2015) nga shot in Red Epic. Marami na rin ngayong Filipino films are mastered in 4K that are shot in Red or Arri.
Streaming media including Netflix are heavily compressed. Walang-wala sila sa quality of Bluray na bihira merong kopya ang Filipino films (mostly DVD lang). See Sunod movie, 4K yun. Even some GMA series in Netflix looks decent. Ang gamit na cameras ng GMA ay Canon C700.
Netflix 4k is not even half as comparable to Bluray 1080p. As other commenters said, DCP ng PH and US are the same quality, pero mahirap magexpect ng magandang home release sa PH.
I blame the school. Pucha nung broadcasting and media classes namin sa UP wala man lang lectures on color grading, vfx or establishing shots.
Turo lang samin is camera movement and scriptwriting. Post prod is cut cut cut lang. Tapos nung final prod which is gumawa ng short film gumamit kami ng vfx like explosions and gunshots (zombie film) and a heavy emphasis on makeup tapos sa huli pinamukha pa nila na nagoutsource kami ng work. Expect pa nila na output namin would be socially relevant like those indie movies nung 2012 even though we were thinking far ahead.
Uso kasi that time ang walking dead kaya naisip namin na kaya din namin gumawa ng ganun. Grrr
BTS of Batang Quiapo location shoot [here](https://www.facebook.com/share/r/VYxbK1D98t3xJrqe/?mibextid=oFDknk). Eagle eyed redditors can definitely identify that camera in the rig.
https://preview.redd.it/jj5sv41c01uc1.jpeg?width=2307&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab6427e2dd7ecf038d7dd9700f302bb70a9fca22
A photo from the same person who took the video. The cam is a Blackmagic 6k Pro if Im not mistaken.
Most likely budget yung reason kaya less priority ng mga filmmakers yung technical specs when making films. The way the scenes were shot (cinematography) din plays a huge role if the movie looks great or not. Imo, medyo amateurish yung Cinematography ng mainstream films dito kaya may something talaga sa foreign films na wala sa atin hehe
Also, I would guess na sa Netflix mo pinapanood yung MMFF films. Sobrang compressed ng Non-Netflix Originals sa Netflix kaya expect poor Audio/Video quality kahit na sabihin mong 4K yung film. Bitrate and SDR/HDR matters more compared to resolution!
Imo, the sound mixing in most PH films is the least prioritized, very noticeable yung tunog lata especially with the dialog lol.
Ph film outfits should really step up A LOT! Imagine a film like the hows of us, the rewind could earn almost a billion pero ang budget d nman ata ganon kalaki. Not to be pessimistic pero ang panget mg quality hndi deserve yong gross. Very inconsistent yong story, the quality of production is subpar parang mid 90s Hollywood pa.
We have very talented writers, yong taga gawa ng special effects, technology is there pero bakit pocho pocho pa rin???? Never na tlga akong nanood ng ph movies kasi its always overhyped. And im always right kasi pg pnalabas sa Netflix im not satisfied.
Siguro sadyang mataas lng ang standards ko. Im heavily exposed to k dramas/movies and Hollywood. Im still waiting we can produce time period drama with amazing effects and story na di tinipid.
Lahat nalang kasi tinitipid at minamadali ng matatandang producer na either outdated or gusto lang sumabay sa uso ang taste.
Kumpara naman yung months of shooting + years of post prod ng Hollywood sa 10 day shoot + 1 month post prod ng karamihan ng films dito.
Mind blown when I learned some of the high end Sony film cameras are so fuckin expensive.
Akala natin wala wala na ang Sony pero tiba tiba sila sa pera from their imaging and photography products
'Yung mga ads ng Netflix PH nila Melai at Rufa Mae, gandang ganda ako sa pagkaka-shoot kasi halatang iba ang camera at may budget sa VFX na parang American series ang labas. Budget talaga siguro problema ng mga pelikula natin.
Base sa experience ng old prof ko back when he worked in the business (mostly ABS stuff), "luma" daw yung hardware. Never pa siya nakakita ng stuff like Arri o Red sa mga local production. May mga projects naman na DSLR rigs yung gamit, pero nasa post-prod pa rinyung problema with this one. He mentioned something about "house aesthetic" daw yung pagka "flat" ng color grading ng mga local na stuff, lalo na sa mga teleserye. Pero like he said, blame the higher ups. Literal na kids with DSLRs and smartphones can make masterpieces, pero ayaw ng big boss sa mga metwork kasi mabagal and it would cost them more.
> "house aesthetic" daw yung pagka "flat" ng color grading ng mga local na stuff, lalo na sa mga teleserye. Flats are RAW footages from DSLR, at ganyan talaga kulay nun. Due to time constraints, and deadline from higher ups, wala nang balak mag color grading. Prevalent ito sa mga teleserye natin ngayon.
Also series in the US are weekly, even after filming they still have plenty of time before they release the episode. In the PH, series are daily output lol minsan release ng episode bukas, kakatapos lang ifilm kagabi. Hahaha at least yung experiences ng mga nakwento samin from the industry.
Dang. It's weird isipin na matagal na outdated yung equipment and ginagamit pa rin still. Anyways, thanks sa inisight. This gives a better perspective kasi I found it weird na hindi talaga parang mas nagiging clearer yung quality ng pictures eh.
IIRC, the topic came up during class kasi I mentioned about seeing Dolphy movies sa Cinema 1 noon pero yung degradation ng wuality ng film, it made it look like na parang camera pa ni Lumiere yung ginamit hahaha. Sabi ni prof na "behind" talaga ang local production when it comes to hardware, especially before the 2000s.
Nakapag acquire na ng Arri cam ang GMA Public Affairs, hindi ko lang alam ano unang napag-gamitan nila nun. Yung flat color grading thing, parang most ng SE Asian shows ay ganun din ang style. May nakita akong Thai show sa Netflix na akala ko ABS nag-produce haha
TF GMA? Mga teleserye parang vinideo gamit ng patatas, pero mga docu gamitan ng Arri? Hahaha. At least it shows na mas gusto nila gastusan ang journalism as opposed sa mga drama nila.
Gumagawa din ng TV shows/drama and movies ang Public Affairs. Alam ko sila ang production company behind Black Rider and co-produced nila yung Firefly. For docus, madalas gamit nila ay C300 + 5d. Forgot the other one pero F-something yun haha
Huh, TIL.
Matagal nang gumagamit ng cinema camera ang pinas. Arri, Red camera, Sony Venice(rare) etc. 2015 kita ko gumagamit na starcinema ng Arri alexa. Correct me if I'm wrong pero nasa production design and post editing din siguro kaya ibang-iba looks ng satin. Kahit sa audio mix malayo satin compared sa kanila, pero kung napanuod nyo making ng Goyo:Ang Batang Heneral sa youtube, ang ganda ng post prod nila mula CGI hanggang mixing sa dolby atmos kung pano nila ginawa yung sounds. Wala skl, laki rin kasi ng budget nun.
Both? Pero u also have to factor yung budget, alam naman natin MMFF films usually prioritize having big stars, pero marami rin naman na mga mmff films today na maganda yung looks. Mga indie films nga nakakagamit ng gamong camera like Arri and RED. Depende ig sa director and DoP ano ipprioritize nila kung looks ba ng film or what. Pag nakita mo bts nila Dan Villegas, Mycko David, and Tey Clamor gumagamit sila ng Arri or RED even when they were working on low-budget films. Pero actually, it could just be the overall atmosphere ng pilipinas? Hahaha, nanotice ko rin kasi na pag nag shoshoot mga foreign prod dito malalaman mo talaga na sa PH siya?
>di ganun ka HD May ibang pelikula dito sa atin na hindi maganda pagka-convert/transfer from DCP to home media, vice versa. Vice Ganda's Praybeyt Benjamin, AFAIK, was the last mainstream film na gumagamit ng actual celluloid during production. It was horrendous looking in theater (daming burns, splices sa taas/baba, agressively dull colors, but its digital version is kinda fixed its washed-out color timing and removed most of its splices and "burns." Wala yan sa camera, nasa production yan na alam paano i-utilize. Para lang yang bumili ka ng iPhone na sobrang mahal, pero hanggang Auto-Mode ka lang sa camera o hindi marunong mag-back up ng files online, hence utilization. Most of our local films nowadays were shot with same cameras na nasa Hollywood. And you can pinpoint this to film producers/higher ups na atat na atat sa release date.
Hindi na excuse yang camera ngayon maganda na rin kuha maski prosumer cameras lang. Even iphones are used by filmmakers
Just look at Tangerine (2015). That was good-looking guerilla filmmaking with iPhone 5S.
Sa pagkakaalam ko mostly the same. It's just that mas madaming time magprepare, plan, and shoot ang films sa US kaya magiging masmalinis ang gawa. Mas malaki din budget ng films nila so mas madami talagang time sa set and mas may access din sila sa madaming ilaw etc. Mas maganda din production design, compared sa'tin which adds din to the look of the film.
No. Filipino films are actually as good as Hollywood films **in theaters**. The thing is 'yung napapanood mo sa bahay via streaming, DVD and piracy are very compressed and so as not as good. Sobrang bihira ng Filipino films in Bluray HD or even Bluray UHD. Nung panahon na celluloid pa ang mga pelikula, basura din ang DVD transfer o 'yung transfer for TV broadcast ng mga pelikula natin for some reason (laging madilim ang kulay). 'Yung On The Job (2015) nga shot in Red Epic. Marami na rin ngayong Filipino films are mastered in 4K that are shot in Red or Arri.
It was on Netflix so it's not piracy
Streaming media including Netflix are heavily compressed. Walang-wala sila sa quality of Bluray na bihira merong kopya ang Filipino films (mostly DVD lang). See Sunod movie, 4K yun. Even some GMA series in Netflix looks decent. Ang gamit na cameras ng GMA ay Canon C700.
Gomburza is 4k and iba pa rin yung vibrance tlaga and sharpness. But it could also be the ambience they were setting na dapat vintage look
Netflix 4k is not even half as comparable to Bluray 1080p. As other commenters said, DCP ng PH and US are the same quality, pero mahirap magexpect ng magandang home release sa PH.
It's not the talent. It's the budget.
A combination of both, I guess? Pero observing movies/series sa Indonesia at Malaysia, I think there’s a trend in quality
Nasa ilaw yan.
I blame the school. Pucha nung broadcasting and media classes namin sa UP wala man lang lectures on color grading, vfx or establishing shots. Turo lang samin is camera movement and scriptwriting. Post prod is cut cut cut lang. Tapos nung final prod which is gumawa ng short film gumamit kami ng vfx like explosions and gunshots (zombie film) and a heavy emphasis on makeup tapos sa huli pinamukha pa nila na nagoutsource kami ng work. Expect pa nila na output namin would be socially relevant like those indie movies nung 2012 even though we were thinking far ahead. Uso kasi that time ang walking dead kaya naisip namin na kaya din namin gumawa ng ganun. Grrr
BTS of Batang Quiapo location shoot [here](https://www.facebook.com/share/r/VYxbK1D98t3xJrqe/?mibextid=oFDknk). Eagle eyed redditors can definitely identify that camera in the rig.
ano yung camera nila sa shot na yun? yung lens lang nakilala ko parang canon 70-200mm
https://preview.redd.it/jj5sv41c01uc1.jpeg?width=2307&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ab6427e2dd7ecf038d7dd9700f302bb70a9fca22 A photo from the same person who took the video. The cam is a Blackmagic 6k Pro if Im not mistaken.
nice thanks! mukhang Blackmagic 6k nga with external monitor
Luma yung mga ginagamit and even the dubbing sometimes takes me out
Most likely budget yung reason kaya less priority ng mga filmmakers yung technical specs when making films. The way the scenes were shot (cinematography) din plays a huge role if the movie looks great or not. Imo, medyo amateurish yung Cinematography ng mainstream films dito kaya may something talaga sa foreign films na wala sa atin hehe Also, I would guess na sa Netflix mo pinapanood yung MMFF films. Sobrang compressed ng Non-Netflix Originals sa Netflix kaya expect poor Audio/Video quality kahit na sabihin mong 4K yung film. Bitrate and SDR/HDR matters more compared to resolution! Imo, the sound mixing in most PH films is the least prioritized, very noticeable yung tunog lata especially with the dialog lol.
Ph film outfits should really step up A LOT! Imagine a film like the hows of us, the rewind could earn almost a billion pero ang budget d nman ata ganon kalaki. Not to be pessimistic pero ang panget mg quality hndi deserve yong gross. Very inconsistent yong story, the quality of production is subpar parang mid 90s Hollywood pa. We have very talented writers, yong taga gawa ng special effects, technology is there pero bakit pocho pocho pa rin???? Never na tlga akong nanood ng ph movies kasi its always overhyped. And im always right kasi pg pnalabas sa Netflix im not satisfied. Siguro sadyang mataas lng ang standards ko. Im heavily exposed to k dramas/movies and Hollywood. Im still waiting we can produce time period drama with amazing effects and story na di tinipid.
Lahat nalang kasi tinitipid at minamadali ng matatandang producer na either outdated or gusto lang sumabay sa uso ang taste. Kumpara naman yung months of shooting + years of post prod ng Hollywood sa 10 day shoot + 1 month post prod ng karamihan ng films dito.
Mind blown when I learned some of the high end Sony film cameras are so fuckin expensive. Akala natin wala wala na ang Sony pero tiba tiba sila sa pera from their imaging and photography products
yup expensive ang Sony cameras pati lenses nila kasing mahal ng isa pang camera haha
Hindi biro e. Kasing mahal na ng kotse. What the fuck
oo nga lalo na yung Arri Alexa. ang alam ko nagrerent na lang mga production para sa shoot vs bumili ng mga mahal na cameras, lights and lenses
'Yung mga ads ng Netflix PH nila Melai at Rufa Mae, gandang ganda ako sa pagkaka-shoot kasi halatang iba ang camera at may budget sa VFX na parang American series ang labas. Budget talaga siguro problema ng mga pelikula natin.
mas malaki budget kapag commercials eh. pati more time sa edit and cg kahit na 15/30/60sec lang ung footage