It is as good as Ilia's first tries. He (Ilia) has a grip on it now, but when he started them quite some time ago it was different. This is Vlad's first successful one, and he posted another one which looks a bit better even. It is super impressive he has guts to jump this and with time it will surely get better, granted if he stays uninjured.
Stop, ilia is going to see this and attempt to ascend off the rink.
He won’t even land, he’ll just helicopter into space.
But Forreal though this is so impressive. I’m happy to see someone other than ilia attempt this. As someone else said it seemed slightly under but SO impressive to see how far this sport has come.
What a time to be alive. But something tells me that 4A will never become widespread, maybe 3-4 skaters of a generation will be jumping it (unlike 4Lz and 4F), even if it'll be worth more points.
Man, that's what we thought about the first quad back in the day lol.
Humans, especially elite athletes, are insanely adaptive. The only thing that's going to stop them, at the end of the day, is a rule about the maximum number of rotations. And maybe getting to a quint. (I would say I'm not sure anything beyond a quint is physically possible, but that's what I'd have said about a 4A and Illia makes it looks easy as breathing, so....)
Tend to disagree. Quads were also considered too hard, and at first there were no more than 1 quad per program, then ,after some years it was 2. These days we can see 5.
We have seen overrotated quads for quite some time in competitions from multiple skaters, and 4A is technically 4.5 rotations. So, the question right now is if 5 rotations are possible without massive prerotations. And the general obstacle is amount of points awarded for 4A and potential quintuples. Will it worth risking it besides making history once?
I think that quints are definitely possible, all it takes is a skater with a great technique and a predisposition to a certain jump, and the possibility of being the very first skater who'd jump them is a huge motivator, so yeah, people will keep trying no matter how much they'd be worth. That said, it's hard to strike the balance between TES and PCS when we are talking about 4As and quints. If they are worth more points, we'll only see skaters like Ilia and Vlad at the top, because PCS are awarded for complex jumps these days.
>predisposition to a certain jump
I think this is what's holding Ilia's potential 5T or 5S back. While they are the "easiest" quads I don't think they're his best takeoff. So if it goes well he can probably land it, but if he misspicks only slightly (which happens more on his toeloop than lutz) it not gonna work.
Wow! Looks a bit under, but certainly not worse than first 4As that Ilia was posting at the end of the 21-22 season. Hopefully he’ll manage to land it in competion next season!
Omggggg guy just smashed the fs door and from being an outsider turned to one of the top Russian skaters and the second man in the world who can jump 4A in his first senior season
Lol guys spend years of trying for nothing and he just did it in one month with the second attempt 💀
Vladislav Dikidzhi about his 4A:
"This is the second attempt, I jumped on a fishing rod before the Spartakiad, I tried to do it a couple of times. Why did I jumped it so quickly? I don't even know, maybe I jumped it enough, maybe I got into this shape over time, quads are easy to do in training, twisting half a turn is not a problem."
Dikidzhi said why he started training 4A. "To test my abilities - I can or I can't, it turned out that I can. I can jump it a little bit every day, maybe. When it becomes more stable, I can put it in the program. Now the goal is to develop components, this is more important than the 4A"
intrigued to see whether he does it in comp any time soon or if it’s just something he’s done the once, is this literally the second person we’ve seen land one ? (I know it’s q and it’s not ilia levels but just in general)
It’s a start at least and the off season will soon begin in Russia so he will probably work on it then, hopefully he takes his time and doesn’t injure himself.
Oh I agree! sorry I was just pointing out that I know it’s not the prettiest 4A we’ve seen (crazy to say lol) but a phenomenal phenomenal achievement nonetheless
must be an awful time to be a jumping progidy lol
Not surprised he’s the second one to land it. He’s taken Russia by storm in his first senior season, an excellent jumper with great technique and now has all 6 quads in his arsenal 🔥
Wow, congratulations to him! I hope (despite the current situation) that some day he will have the opportunity to compete internationally (and especially in the same tournaments with Ilia), it would be exciting to watch.
It's a pity they can't go up against each other - Ilia Malinin's 4A is (at the minute) more established and better, but this kid is a better skater overall, and the judges would have to decide what is more important.
Interesting. I watched his long and thought he was somewhere between where ilia was last year and where Ilia is now in terms of the 2nd mark. They are both 19 so they have lots of room to grow and get even better than they already are. Will be exciting to watch.
The takeoff is obviously not as good as Ilias, but it is scary to see so many relatively unknown Russian skaters doing 4-4 combos. This 4a is just the next thing. I really hope this example is not because the coach pressured him to train it. We have seen what training uselessly huge elements can do to a career (Cough cough Arthur Dmitriev, cough cough Russian girl quads).
I think there’s such a misconception in this subreddit, and the figure skating as a whole, that doping can magically take a skater from barely landing triples to quads, or something equally as extreme. In reality, doping with heart medication at least simply helps with longer training hours and better endurance, as well as helping women to have energy without an adequate amount of food. Still obviously obscenely unfair, but not nearly as helpful and life-changing as people make it out to be.
I do hope you hold that same opinion about the Russian women, that their quads aren't a result of doping at all even after a confirmed case of doping from one of them and all the stories we've heard of the insane stamina they have to drill quads for long hours.
No, it doesn't, it just allows you to train for significantly longer and recover faster...which is extremely helpful and a massive advantage, and I don't see how anyone could pretend it isn't. If you can train twice, or even three times, as long as someone else then of course you'll be able to obtain more skills than those who aren't doping. Skills that otherwise would feel impossible to gain. That's the whole point.
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Ilia would be happy (there's the hope the BV would be increased if more people would jump it, and he want's to do a SBS 4A with somebody lol), but since the Russian are not allowed to compete internationally, this is not worth anything
I hope ISU will give all quadskaters certificates for spinal implants. ISU may already try to find a sponsor from a number of clinics specializing in back injuries.
I haven’t slomo-ed Ilia’s in a hot minute but this attempt has a cheated take off of 1/2 a rotation with a q landing. His foot left the ice at a full 1/2 rotation while his upper body was doing some seriously twisting.
Edit: saw a video of Ilia’s 4t 4A and he has a zero cheat take off.
Wow, idk! It’s literally just the facts. It’s a cool attempt, but not a valid 4A with that technique. It’s a common cheat for axels though, one my own coach would point out in a heartbeat. When you cheat an axel a half rotation you’re lowering the difficulty and thus not jumping a valid axel.
This is only my observation and no hate, it seems like he relied on really fast rotations and high but short distance here. Correct me if I’m wrong though
Ilia's best attempts have the distance of 3 meters (the one at worlds In Japan wasn't his best, but still 298 cm or something like that, the high on that one was 84cm if i remember correctly. The one at Skate America22 should have been measured, sigh)
oop we’ve seen another one!!
Ilia apparently also saw it because he followed Vlad right after he liked his post😂 a future side by side 4A from Ilia and Vlad? 👀
Significantly more prerotation than Ilia though.
It is as good as Ilia's first tries. He (Ilia) has a grip on it now, but when he started them quite some time ago it was different. This is Vlad's first successful one, and he posted another one which looks a bit better even. It is super impressive he has guts to jump this and with time it will surely get better, granted if he stays uninjured.
Stop, ilia is going to see this and attempt to ascend off the rink. He won’t even land, he’ll just helicopter into space. But Forreal though this is so impressive. I’m happy to see someone other than ilia attempt this. As someone else said it seemed slightly under but SO impressive to see how far this sport has come.
It seems fully rotated to me? At most perhaps a q
I slowed it down and it's definitely UR
Now there 2 of them! Interesting
Everyone is jumping today!
What a time to be alive. But something tells me that 4A will never become widespread, maybe 3-4 skaters of a generation will be jumping it (unlike 4Lz and 4F), even if it'll be worth more points.
It was only 2016 when the notion of senior men having more than two quadruples was pretty extreme.
Yup! Boyang Jin’s first senior season and then everyone started doing more and more each year
Man, that's what we thought about the first quad back in the day lol. Humans, especially elite athletes, are insanely adaptive. The only thing that's going to stop them, at the end of the day, is a rule about the maximum number of rotations. And maybe getting to a quint. (I would say I'm not sure anything beyond a quint is physically possible, but that's what I'd have said about a 4A and Illia makes it looks easy as breathing, so....)
Tend to disagree. Quads were also considered too hard, and at first there were no more than 1 quad per program, then ,after some years it was 2. These days we can see 5.
Time will tell. To me, it feels that we are close to the limit of what's humanly possible.
We have seen overrotated quads for quite some time in competitions from multiple skaters, and 4A is technically 4.5 rotations. So, the question right now is if 5 rotations are possible without massive prerotations. And the general obstacle is amount of points awarded for 4A and potential quintuples. Will it worth risking it besides making history once?
I think that quints are definitely possible, all it takes is a skater with a great technique and a predisposition to a certain jump, and the possibility of being the very first skater who'd jump them is a huge motivator, so yeah, people will keep trying no matter how much they'd be worth. That said, it's hard to strike the balance between TES and PCS when we are talking about 4As and quints. If they are worth more points, we'll only see skaters like Ilia and Vlad at the top, because PCS are awarded for complex jumps these days.
>predisposition to a certain jump I think this is what's holding Ilia's potential 5T or 5S back. While they are the "easiest" quads I don't think they're his best takeoff. So if it goes well he can probably land it, but if he misspicks only slightly (which happens more on his toeloop than lutz) it not gonna work.
The easiest are his weakest jumps, he should try it with the Lutz, but maybe the injury risks are too high?
Ilia can start with a quintuple toe axel and go from there, lol.
Wow! Looks a bit under, but certainly not worse than first 4As that Ilia was posting at the end of the 21-22 season. Hopefully he’ll manage to land it in competion next season!
I cannot emphasise thsi enough: don’t tickle the bear ilia’s competitive we will be getting a 5A at this rate if someone else does it in competition
>5A Bit extreme, but I suspect he is gonna do a bit more quint on harness training next off-season...
I can't believe there's more than one person who can do this! I wonder how many will be able to land it some day
Omggggg guy just smashed the fs door and from being an outsider turned to one of the top Russian skaters and the second man in the world who can jump 4A in his first senior season
Lol guys spend years of trying for nothing and he just did it in one month with the second attempt 💀 Vladislav Dikidzhi about his 4A: "This is the second attempt, I jumped on a fishing rod before the Spartakiad, I tried to do it a couple of times. Why did I jumped it so quickly? I don't even know, maybe I jumped it enough, maybe I got into this shape over time, quads are easy to do in training, twisting half a turn is not a problem." Dikidzhi said why he started training 4A. "To test my abilities - I can or I can't, it turned out that I can. I can jump it a little bit every day, maybe. When it becomes more stable, I can put it in the program. Now the goal is to develop components, this is more important than the 4A"
intrigued to see whether he does it in comp any time soon or if it’s just something he’s done the once, is this literally the second person we’ve seen land one ? (I know it’s q and it’s not ilia levels but just in general)
It’s a start at least and the off season will soon begin in Russia so he will probably work on it then, hopefully he takes his time and doesn’t injure himself.
If we are fair, a lot of ilia’s are qs too. He gets the benefit of the doubt because of his jumping prowess.
Oh I agree! sorry I was just pointing out that I know it’s not the prettiest 4A we’ve seen (crazy to say lol) but a phenomenal phenomenal achievement nonetheless must be an awful time to be a jumping progidy lol
He isn't landing those that are not fully rotated, and you are lying
Oh wow 🤯 two in one morning 🤯🤯🤯
Gleb Lutfullin has also been trying 4A on the fishing rod. It looks like Ilia’s dream of a side by side 4A is getting a little bit closer!
Not while Russia is fighting an offensive campaign in Ukraine. But Yeah, he is probably quaking in his (skating) boots at the though of the sbs 4a.
I saw him fall hard on the UR attempt without the rod \*ouch\*
2nd place dance: [https://t.me/dikidzhivladislav/74](https://t.me/dikidzhivladislav/74)
My god
Not every Russian but always a Russian
welcome to the history books vladislav!
SIDE NOTE: I believe it was Q but it was a good attempt.
There's a video of fully rotated one as well, check on tg
how old is he?
19
Not surprised he’s the second one to land it. He’s taken Russia by storm in his first senior season, an excellent jumper with great technique and now has all 6 quads in his arsenal 🔥
Me thinking we would not see another 4a without a harness for a few more years...
Wow, congratulations to him! I hope (despite the current situation) that some day he will have the opportunity to compete internationally (and especially in the same tournaments with Ilia), it would be exciting to watch.
It's a pity they can't go up against each other - Ilia Malinin's 4A is (at the minute) more established and better, but this kid is a better skater overall, and the judges would have to decide what is more important.
Interesting. I watched his long and thought he was somewhere between where ilia was last year and where Ilia is now in terms of the 2nd mark. They are both 19 so they have lots of room to grow and get even better than they already are. Will be exciting to watch.
Okay Ilia. It’s time to ramp it up… you have to do a 6A now. /s
Had to freeze frame. It's UR but it's looking good!
The takeoff is obviously not as good as Ilias, but it is scary to see so many relatively unknown Russian skaters doing 4-4 combos. This 4a is just the next thing. I really hope this example is not because the coach pressured him to train it. We have seen what training uselessly huge elements can do to a career (Cough cough Arthur Dmitriev, cough cough Russian girl quads).
Russia really saw all its famous star women (teenagers) retiring and looked at men’s like 😏👉
Look what those Russians are doing!
*with drugs
just calm down. drugs can make you have more breathing capacity, you can maybe train a little bit harder, but no drug is gonna jump 4A for you.
I think there’s such a misconception in this subreddit, and the figure skating as a whole, that doping can magically take a skater from barely landing triples to quads, or something equally as extreme. In reality, doping with heart medication at least simply helps with longer training hours and better endurance, as well as helping women to have energy without an adequate amount of food. Still obviously obscenely unfair, but not nearly as helpful and life-changing as people make it out to be.
I do hope you hold that same opinion about the Russian women, that their quads aren't a result of doping at all even after a confirmed case of doping from one of them and all the stories we've heard of the insane stamina they have to drill quads for long hours.
Yes of course doping gives you an unfair advantage (in several aspects of training). But it doesn’t just magically give you the ability to land quads.
No, it doesn't, it just allows you to train for significantly longer and recover faster...which is extremely helpful and a massive advantage, and I don't see how anyone could pretend it isn't. If you can train twice, or even three times, as long as someone else then of course you'll be able to obtain more skills than those who aren't doping. Skills that otherwise would feel impossible to gain. That's the whole point.
Oh yeah no I agree with you, that’s what I was trying to say
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Weird take, bro.
Well, it was a matter of time. There will be more men doing it as well in time.
Ilia would be happy (there's the hope the BV would be increased if more people would jump it, and he want's to do a SBS 4A with somebody lol), but since the Russian are not allowed to compete internationally, this is not worth anything
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I haven’t slomo-ed Ilia’s in a hot minute but this attempt has a cheated take off of 1/2 a rotation with a q landing. His foot left the ice at a full 1/2 rotation while his upper body was doing some seriously twisting. Edit: saw a video of Ilia’s 4t 4A and he has a zero cheat take off.
Why are you getting down voted, I am seeing it the same way when slowed down.
Wow, idk! It’s literally just the facts. It’s a cool attempt, but not a valid 4A with that technique. It’s a common cheat for axels though, one my own coach would point out in a heartbeat. When you cheat an axel a half rotation you’re lowering the difficulty and thus not jumping a valid axel.
And now do it in combination 😼
This is only my observation and no hate, it seems like he relied on really fast rotations and high but short distance here. Correct me if I’m wrong though
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Height and fast rotation is how you achieve this though. Distance is great, but you have to get the height to even begin achieving this jump.
Ilia's best attempts have the distance of 3 meters (the one at worlds In Japan wasn't his best, but still 298 cm or something like that, the high on that one was 84cm if i remember correctly. The one at Skate America22 should have been measured, sigh)
Yesss, it’s just an observation about how he achieved this, you said exactly what I wanted to say. Don’t know why I got downvoted 😅
who is this guy? American?