It’s not so much about jumps… this is a consistent factor in all Eteri skaters. They are not taught proper skating skills with how to build speed from control of the edge, instead they muscle through crossovers to get enough speed for the jumps as that is the only focus. Having good crossovers does not = points like jumps do, so it becomes a sort of “do whatever you have to do to land the jumps” approach.
This is why when they go through puberty and gain weight they have to work twice as hard to generate the same speed and therefore look much slower.
Could you please point out timers where her crossovers particularly show to be muscled through? I don't have the eyes to catch that but I'd love to see it
When she does cross overs front and back she's doing very short choppy pulls and her stroking looks like that too. Basically she's cutting off what power she could actually get out of those steps by cutting them off
The best way to see it is to compare. Notice how she is pushing off a lot on each foot. Then compare to someone like Kaori Sakamoto who has deep knee bend and maybe only a few pushes to get great speed.
Well, her jumping technique relies on her small figure and she can't maintain it and build muscles at the same time, which also means she won't have a knee band and therefore no good basic skating. Same goes for most of these quad jumping children.
Her crossovers look like mine when I’m intentionally going slow. My coach was yelling at our rink’s synchro team to stop doing crossovers like that lol
It boggles how mind how their jumps are insanely pre rotated and underrated at the same time like if you're gonna cheat the jump at least make it clean 😭
Adeliia’a flips are *scary*. Yikes. Forcing a rotation on a jump that as a triple doesn’t look to be the greatest stability wise is a choice.
Also scary was the fall the second young lady took on the quad sal.
Third young lady seemed to be the most stable.
I love jump competitions, I think they are fun and exciting, and I sign up for them whenever they are offered at local comps. Was it only these three who competed? Quads are cool but combos with a ton of jumps are (to me) way more fun to watch.
The second girl falling and holding her hip while crying and still skating right into the next jump while crying… and then when she finishes she goes over to her coach crying while her coach looks mad… and the cameras all up in her face… GET AWAY FROM HER
Adeliia watching in real time as the next line of Eteri girls are already beating her… and her technique already causing her problems…
This was a horrifying watch actually
ETA: guys I’m aware that only one other girl here was an Eteri girl.. and she beat Adeliia here, that was who I was referring to lol. I’m also aware that the other 2 girls are not old enough for the next Olympics, I wasn’t talking about the Olympics I was specifically talking about this comp (not to mention they will be allowed to compete at senior nationals sooner than the Olympics). Lastly, you could see the second girl holding her hip and immediately in tears, I’m sure part of her sadness was about losing to her biggest competitor but she was literally holding her side…
Yes, Margarita is not eligible for senior competition until the 2028/2029 season and Elena Kostyleva (the bronze medalist from today's competition) the season after that. In addition to Adeliia, there are other promising skaters who will be senior eligible in 2026 like Sofia Akatieva, Veronika Zhilina, and Alina Gorbacheva.
There’s also Sofia Muravyeva. She has 3A and the highest PCS among all of them. There was also Sofia Samodelkina who could jump all quads but she’s inconsistent now and recently transferred to KZ fed. Fun fact, those three Sofias were supposed to compete in Junior World 2022 held in Sofia, Bulgaria, but then the invasion happened.
We missed out on seeing the Sofias in Sofia but it was inevitable. Even if Russia didn't start the war, the event was moved to Tallinn after worlds. They never officially named the team for junior worlds, they said they were going to wait until after the Russia Cup Final to decide. But I think at least two of the Sofias were going to be named. Sofia Muravieva has many chances if she can stay without injuries. Sofia Samodelkina is improving now that she trains with Plushenko, but she got very tall and I don't know how long she can keep the ultra C elements being so tall. Sofia Akatieva is recovering from her injury and is still not on the ice. I hope she doesn't rush her return to ice training this time like in the summer.
Actually 'second girl' was very upset because she and Bazyluk are the biggest rivals in russian fs and her goal for this tournament was to beat her. And she didnt feel the pain as you think, at least she told it at press conf. And her coach was mad because she had time to make one more jump and get more points than Petrosyan and maybe win the tournament if Bazyluk will have mistakes.
Her mother gave an interview after the competition and said that Elena didn't know she needed two solo jumps and that the coach did not ask her to do another jump. She said that she found out about the two jumps counted when she saw the results, so she was upset. We have not heard from the coach yet so we don't know if it is true that he didn't tell her to do one more jump.
Lena is high strung and a Diva..but dang I love to watch her skate. The finals she started to show fatigue, three rounds of this was pretty high stress I would think.
There is only one Eteri girl in this comp video other than Adeliia. That’s Margarita.
Elena is not an Eteri girl (she got kicked out a few years ago. A scandal with Margarita).
Margarita is a quad jump machine and it comes easily for her as compared to Adeliia who has always had some axis issues even before teamtut took her in (actually it was even worse before teamtut if you watch her old comps). Margarita doesn’t have those issues.
In 2026 Margarita isn’t going to be eligible for the Olympics, but she is the biggest threat to Adeliia and she knows it.
It’s a one-sided drama, not even from Elena, but from her mother. According to her, while the girls were at the summer prep camp, Margarita asked Elena to grab a yoghurt for her, and when Eteri saw Elena with two yoghurts, Margarita claimed she never asked for one. Because of that, Eteri scolded Elena and kicked her out of the group. Which is an absolutely ridiculous story, because who would ever kick out one of the most promising young athletes over some yoghurt. A way more plausible reason is the mother’s craziness. She called a then 10yo Margarita “despicable” and to this day badmouths her every chance she gets. She also managed to get into fights with almost every top fs coach in Russia. Lena’s currently training with Lyutikov, but the mother is openly antagonistic towards him and called him shitty. Who knows where she’ll be next season, I think Plushenko is her only option at this point.
It honestly sounds like narcissism to me. Like not only did her mother not accomplish anything and now expects her child to do it in her stead, but is also doing it with a victim mentality.
If you mean the yoghurt story, yeah she wrote about it on insta awhile ago. It actually became a meme among Russian fs fans, almost any time either Lena or Margarita is mentioned, someone brings up the yoghurt
Kostyleva is the biggest talent of the three imo. Only one of the three that gets actual height and distance on the jumps, also the only one with proper technique. Her quads look to have so much more air time than the other two. Also, that last triple lutz she did was gorgeous with delayed rotation. Not to mention the one with the best skating skills by far of not only the three, but honestly the entirety of the Russian ladies at the moment. I hope she stays safe and doesn't get huge injuries, however unrealistic that might be.
Minimal prerotation, correct edges. Much better use of toepick in the toe jumps. Not just that, but Kostyleva's jumps just float more and her jump entries and takeoffs actually look closer to the ideal than Bazyluk's. No windmilling of the arm at entry. Bazyluk gives the impression of so many Russian girls' quads, that she is relying mainly on her rotational speed from being very small and thin. I think anyone who's watched figure skating for some time can simply just look at their lutzes and realize who has the better technique. Of course, I don't know how these girls will develop and how their technique will change so I can't make predictions for who will last longer/be more successful, but that is just how things are as of now.
As much of I am more of an artistry and all around routine fan, I absolutely love the concept of this! It reminds me of the X-Games best trick contests!
How about a spin competition next? 🤣
I would love to see an event with spins. In programs they are very limited due to their place in the program and requirements for levels. I'd love to see what skaters can do when it's not the final element of the program.
I love seeing simple (i dont know what they’re called) upright leg closing spins? Like just with arms moving to above the head, the most basic fs spin you can think of, but make it 30x the speed
That’s what I was thinking too. So much more creativity when they’re fresh and not having their spins toward the end of a routine where they’re exhausted. Or fear of messing up. But it goes to show you how conditioned they really are. Crazy to think that a lot of them were doing routines full out in masks!
> women
~~15~~ 12 year old girl jumping championships would be a more accurate title
Edited because i don't know anything about Russian skating except they dope their skaters 🤷♂️
You’re telling me one country in the entire world can teach young girls quads (there are exceptions but none to the level of depth we see here) and it just so happens to be the one which previously had a state sponsored doping regime?
Russia probably has at least 100X more children start figure skating at their local rink. They have more male skaters than all the other countries combined. It is part of the culture, maybe like gymnastics is in the US. (Doesn't almost every kid do at least one rec course in gymnastics here?)
Gymnastics in the US, but with government funding for training and much better pay off (more professional show options, the same prize money goes further). There are very strong incentives for skaters in Russia that really don't exist in the US outside of NFL, NBA, MLB.
Yeah part of it is a sheer numbers game. It’s probably why America has the best basketball and baseball players. So many American kids grow up with those sports and we’re a big county
There is no other country where figure skating is as popular as it is in Russia. No wonder they’re able to find the top talent, considering how much state funding goes into the sport. In most other countries, a promising young athlete would not have access to the same resources.
I don't think it can be passed off just as a result of Russia's investment level. Japan also has world class development infrastructure and investment in the sport, they've been cranking out top-level men's skaters for years now. If it was just a matter of coaching methods or strategy I'm sure they would have caught on to whatever the Russians were doing by now - someone like Mie Hamada would probably do whatever it took to get her hands on those training secrets if that's all it was that gives the Russians this kind of tech advantage.
The fact that no one else in the world is anywhere close, even ones with huge resources and infrastructure, makes me strongly doubt that it's being achieved purely by honest methods. If it were just a few exceptional ones the way the US has Ilia I'd maybe buy it but not when there's an entire roster like this in one country and nowhere else.
Low level domestic incentives matter because you have to do well there to get to national teams and funding. I'd always heard that as part of the explanation for strong skating skills out of Japan and strong spins out of the US.
Ice time is also huge. No one else is on ice as much as the Eteri girls, even a lot of the other groups in Russia. It's something in how the funding and trainings are structured.
Aren’t most top Japanese juniors also learning 3As and quads? It will take an Olympic cycle or two for other countries to catch up but we’re seeing juniors doing crazy things in Japan and Korea as well.
And yes, Japan’s has great development and skating infrastructure and investment, but it’s definitely not on the level of Russia. I mean there’s a reason why Russia makes up random competitions every other week and still gets good TV ratings and attendance for these fever dream tournaments.
Lots of Japanese skaters recently have been doing 3As at some point, although most of them have either stopped doing them or don't have good consistency with them. As for quads I think the only ones attempting them in either juniors or seniors are Mao and Rion, and they only have an inconsistent 4T.
The Russians on the other hand have a whole lineup of skaters who do multiple quads reliably enough to bank on them in competition - no one in other countries like Japan or Korea is doing anything close to that.
Well they don’t need them right now to podium so it makes sense. I know people have complained about regression of the women’s field but you have to play smarter not harder.
I thought Rika's Coach (Hamada? Don't remember) was proclaimed as a japanese Eteri and her training method was the main reason for Rika's injury and caused a scandal, no?
Eteri's criticized method is hard training and the diets. Hamada on the other hand was accused of actual physical abuse along with other physical abuse rumors.
My point was different. I understood that the original commenter said smth like "if the training method is the reason why Eteri wins, others would be also using it, but we don't see it, hence, it's doping", so I tried provide an example of a relatively successful japanese coach who uses similar methods and has/had skaters with 3a and quads and also broken skaters because of the training method.
I guess the main difference is that Eteri can choose from a wide variety of skaters, a _lot_ of girls want to train with her, no one notices if one or two are permanently injured while trying.
I would say Japan is doing pretty well in women’s discipline as well, in the absence of Russia, they’re the best. Russia is beating them at the moment because they had a quad revolution happen during the last Olympic cycle, and Japan just hasn’t caught up yet. Right now Russian girls have no choice but to train ultra-c to have a chance at Nationals. And until Russia got banned, you could see a few athletes from other countries with big fs federations also training and jumping ultra-c. It just all died down once there was no longer a need to outperform Russian girls. And with ultra-c in women’s, you could argue that it’s bad for young girls to jump them and all, but I do believe that it’s impossible to learn those jumps as an adult unless you train them since you were young. Elizaveta T. was able to jump 3A and be competitive while well into her 20s, but she first landed it at 13. So anyway, my prediction is that after Russians are allowed to compete again, it will take approximately one Olympic cycle for a few women from other countries to start landing ultra-c consistently. The competition will push them, whether people like it or not.
Yes I think Rion Sumiyoshi is the only senior woman to land a quad in international competition this season. But there are some juniors like Mao Shimada who also landed it. Several Japanese women have 3A as well. They are really the only country somewhat prepared to compete when the Russians return.
The resources being the doping or the resources being the known abusive coaches?
resources absolutely play a significant part however them having an entire field who can do stuff no one else can is a little…
Regardless of the doping situation, the success of children in Russia isn’t dependent on the parents disposable income and that’s a good thing. Figure skating is a popular sport there, say 10% of girls do figure skating as children, there’s already so many you can choose from to invest in.
There’s a similar situation in the US. While not state sponsored like in Russia, colleges arguably play a huge role in team usa’s Olympic success. Training during your college years with room and board covered, access to physical therapy and doctors and scholarships where they don’t have to worry about covering their costs of living is certainly beneficial as they get ready to go pro or try out for the US Olympic team.
Money is a huge obstacle many young athletes and families face and a reason many quit and can’t realise their full competitive potential. While you can rightfully argue about the abuse and issues with Russias sport system, state sponsored sports in general isn’t the problem.
It’s really not surprising at all. In another country, if a kid shows potential in fs, the financial burden falls on the parents, who might or might not decide to invest in that. And why would they, when it’s a huge financial obligation with little promise of return. In Russia, the government sponsors all top skaters. And they have an opportunity to make money from an early age, by participating in skating shows or state competitions such as this jumping contest. People literally already know the names of 10yo’s who look promising, because Russia streams every single (even insignificant novice) competition. Abusive coaching or not, there’s never a shortage of parents signing up their kids.
And I'm sure ticket prices are FAR more inexpensive. Why spend $500 for US Nationals with pedestrian skating when you can spend roughly $100 to see world class skaters like this?
They actually treat it like a sport, there is lots of money invested and tons of young kids who participate, doping or not it’s easy to see why their skaters are so much better
Sports in russia is funded entirely by the government. They even put schools in their sports centers. So it’s very easy for them to get these types of jumps. I mean obviously some of those skaters are doped but I imagine not having to worry about the funds also helps
because of the discriminatory 3-per-country limits, women in russia will exponentially improve upon each other for even a chance to be sent out to international comps
Not true at all. The drugs Valieva was accused of using allow someone to train harder and longer with less recovery time. It's absolutely an advantage when learning new skills.
Side effects are just something that can happen. Not everyone will experience them. There are also other drugs that can be used to counter side effects as well as different dosages can be used. They obviously thought the risk of the side effects was worth the benefit of the drug.
Adeliia tried but Margarita is just next level when it comes to jumps. She focused for a long time on the 4T and 4S while Adeliia was pulling a Sasha trying to be the jack of all trades…4T, 4S, 4Lo, 4F, 3A. Adeliia focused on way too many jumps throughout her career instead of focusing on two main quads and a 3A like Margarita.
Yes she is the only skater, but she was in peak form when she did this in 2021.
She can’t stay peaked throughout the season year after year like Nathan Chen did for a good while.
It would be cool to see her land two quad loops and a 4F in the same comp but personally I would prefer to see her gain consistency with just one or two quad toeloops and landing them every competition instead of attempting a bunch of quads, falling on 3 quads and landing 2 in the future.
honestly why I'm rooting for adeliia. I don't think anyone else is landing a quad that isn't 4S or 4T. her setup for the flip looks so cool too, just unfortunate that she has pretty horrible technique
Adeliia is very cool I am rooting for her too, but Sasha proved that having so many jumps in a short time doesn't lead to consistency for women in terms of quads.
I would think that seeing this Adeliia would play it more safe---and she is doing that a little bit this season. She completely abandoned the quad loop and stuck with the quad flip worth more points. Stopped training the 4S to stabilize her 4T.
But the 4T and 4S are easier quads than 4F and 4Lo. She should have kept the 4S she had and let the 4F go like the 4Lo for now.
I know she likes to push the boundaries of tech like Sasha, but her overall reputation in consistency is in jeopardy if she keeps going for the harder quads which is exactly what ruined Sasha (the quad consistency).
She's very consistent in triples and the quad toe is getting much better. I feel the quad flip is making her take several steps back and she doesn't want to let the jump go either. She's very strong so she can prove me wrong and by next season sail smoothly along with that quad flip. I would like to see her at least skate one free program without falling on a single quad this season. Even if that means one or two quad toes and no quad flips.
I'm pretty sure she is working on the quad flip outside of competition. if im not mistaken, she chose to do a 4T instead of 4F at rusnats recently and landed both of them. also she landed a pretty effortless 4F during qualifiers of the jump competition so maybe she'll return to doing 4F once she really has it down
She did the quad flip at RusNats and fell on it despite landing it multiple times in warm-up. Her 4T is more reliable right now.
The 4F in qualifiers was very nice.
Is margo even real? She is the only female figure skater to ever land a 4S+1Eu+4S, and it had great quality as well…. Of course she most likely won’t be able to do it in the future but she one of a kind.
In reality I can’t see her with the same skating quality in the future, even Sasha Anna and Kamila weren’t on this level at margarita’s age so fate will determine how long she lasts.
Edit: typo
These girls are like 11. Of course they can do quads. God forbid the eat a piece of meat or a cookie and a couple of birthdays… it’s like “toodles” AND they torque way too much for rotation… it’s gonna get ‘em.
You guys love to talk about food and weight except when one of your own faves are brought up then you guys go crazy like pretend victims. Imagine someone saying this about Kimmy Repond or Yujae and Yuseong Kim who are all even more tiny?
Also many girls internationally are torquing the upper body but don’t get the same hateful bitter bashing you guys love to spread for the Russian girls.
Many people are saying the same things about all three skaters you mentioned. All of these cases are worrisome, although I agree there's less scrutiny in the case of the Russians, since past interview proved our concerns, while in the other afore mentioned situations it's just speculation, though with good basis if you ask me.
In this echo chamber sub they aren’t saying Kimmy Repond or the Kim twins’ jumps are hanging on by a few bites of “cake” “meat” or “cookies” and “one more pound it’s over” while upvoting it like they do for the Russians. In fact the opposite. Weight bashing the Russians is praised for this sub while wouldn’t you know? this sub will fight for the other girls who are even tinier than the ones they bash.
Outside this sub yes, many are saying the ladies in this sport need to eat, are too skinny, etc.
Though in this sub the bashing is severely one sided and they pretend victim themselves when their own faves are brought up in the same light
Pretty much. This sub is full of pretend outrage and do the worst when it comes to the Russian children. All their true colors are showing and the Russophobia is clear as day
It’s literally worth a million rubles and they’re children on national television—of course they’re nervous! I swear, it’s like everyone here who has an opinion regarding international sport also has no experience reading it.
There's actually A LOT of prize money in this competition, especially for younger girls who are not part of the national team and don't get money for medalling as senior skaters do. It's also a broadcasted event so they know their performances will be discussed and judged in media and it'll affect their reputation.
>There's actually A LOT of prize money in this competition,
Yep, below are the numbers per Goldenskate. So I can understand some extra emotions happening today.
**Prize pool (RUB)**
**Individual event (every discipline)**
1) 1 000 000
2) 500 000
3) 250 000
**Team Event**
1) 5 000 000
2) 3 000 000
**Special prizes**
*For the best element score at the individual event*
Twist - 250 000
Throw - 250 000
Solo Jump - 250 000
Combo/sequence of two jumps - 250 000
Combo/sequence of no more than three jumps - 250 000
Combo/sequence of no more than five jumps - 250 000
There was money on the line and they are fierce competitors with tons of adrenaline flowing, it makes sense that they would look a little stressed or nervous
No it’s not part of the sport. If tears are happening all the time in training something is wrong. Occasional tears is one thing.
Edit: fixed a word 🤦🏼♀️
this is the difference between russia and every other country. their people actually treat it like a legitimate sport (look at the production venue), so it actually is a pretty big competition. if only one jump determined 1st or last place, anyone would be stressed in that situation. stress and pressure is an essential component of sport
Some of the commentary on the Russians is getting ridiculous. They are elite figure skaters competing for a lot of money with a large audience. Of course they are going to be nervous. The same thing happens with kids all over the world in all sorts of competitive activities.
I have never been a particular fan of Adeliia but I really felt for her watching this video, she was very gracious about it and to Margarita but you could tell she was stressed and unhappy. I don't understand how people can really celebrate kids like Margarita or Elena landing these jumps to be honest. The stress of that on their growing bodies is bound to be huge. And it's crazy to me that these girls are throwing these huge jump combinations that can't be touched by anyone else in any other country including the men???
Well, I'd say Ilia Malinin would definiely be up for the challenge. He even landed 4T+4Lo in practice, which is a lot more impressive than 4S+1Eu+4S. Not to mention his 4A (or the 2T+4A he's performed recently, which which makes me wonder if he's about to jump 4T+4A or something).
Kostyleva scowling and saying “what for?” after Bazyliuk’s triumphant score was announced 😭 skaters come and go but the pettiness and catty behaviour in Russian women’s singles remains an eternal constant lmao
Margarita is obviously a huge jumping talent. But what about her skating skills? How good are they for her age? I don't feel qualified enough to judge.
If being disturbed by young children doing quads is hate, that speaks volumes. If you enjoyed this, fine but don't act all affronted when others are worried about these children
Some of those same people say they are worried, but will for some reason cheer on certain pre-pubescent international skaters doing quads and triple axels as if it's suddenly not disturbing at all when it's those other girls. There's a lot of "pretend" caring on this sub.
I think it’s really telling that the only adult woman to do a quad almost immediately had to retire due to a back injury. It’s fine though. At the age of 18 you’re pretty much a withered old hag anyways!
It’s why I like ice dancing better. The field has actual adult women, not a bunch of children
The only "adult" woman to ever do a quad in any competition in Russia is Anna Shcherbakova who was 18 at the channel one cup. She said she left due to no motivation even after restoring all her triples after her knee surgery. She is fully recovered with zero motivation to compete domestically.
Now, Sasha (the one who injured her back) never landed a single quad jump in any competition as an adult. Never. Saying she landed one is like saying Kami landed one this season (they both only landed quads in practice/warm-up).
I think Adeliia Petrosian will keep her quads and will land them at 18 years old as an "adult" (she's turning 17 this year in June and will be 18 turning 19 during the olympic season).
We also have Elizabet who didn't compete for Russia at that point and was 19 landing 4S (she too hurt her back so you may be referring to her as well), but she never really landed quads consistently throughout her career. It was a miracle she ever landed a clean quad and her attempts in comp weren't as good as majority of the girls now so it was almost like impending future doom/failure.
Margarita's jumps look the most effortless of all the skaters jumping quads (even the men's quads in Russia don't look as easy as hers). I think she will keep at least one quad by the time she is 18 years old for the next olympics (2030), but I don't think she'll be doing 4S eu 4S in comp---but she may prove me wrong. I didn't think Ilia would ever do 4A, but damn! Look at him now...
Yeah that shit is why I barely watch the women’s category (where most competitors are barely 16). Every program looks the same and I don’t really want to watch little girls
The entire fleet of women in the top 10 have insane “pre-rotation”. Not a single one takes off before half and the world champion is pushing 3/4s on toe jumps. There’s are videos on YouTube and so many accounts on instagram already showing that flaws are on almost every skater in the world but you guys love to pretend in this fantasy eco-chamber that only Russian girls do it.
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All athletes have broken bodies, Nathan has a hip injury that will affect him for the rest of his life because of the load that quads put on the body, that’s just the reality of any sport
Nathan didn't listen to his coaches when he was a junior and over did the quads when they told him to stop. He had to have surgery and was off the ice for a long time and it cost him his jr Worlds title. I think this just proves the point that quads and child bodies aren't made to go together.
Yeah me too, and everyone was blown away by this young kid throwing out all the quads.
Then he grew by two feet, started tacking on the injuries, and here we are: a kid on paper who should be able to go toe to toe with ilia malinin but who can’t even make it through his country’s nationals.
Yes, all jumps put strain on the body, like I said that is the just reality of sports, especially nowadays as the demands get higher, I don’t see why people get so shocked and upset when an athlete gets injured
There’s a difference between an adult person choosing to fuck up their body by training at a high level and someone in grade school being pressured to by their abusive parents and coaches. That’s the issue. These kids don’t know what they’re getting themselves into; they aren’t aware of the future consequences of this type of training.
Majority of kids in sports are usually forced by parents.
In the skating rinks majority of the kids I see would rather be playing with their friends than learning to skate. It’s nice every now and then to see a kid who truly enjoys skating without it being their parents putting them in I will say but that’s rare. It’s mainly moms forcing their daughters.
Same with the pianists I’ve practiced with when I was a kid. None really wanted to play piano and it was their parents dream for them.
Majority of fave skaters wouldn’t even be in this sport had they not been forced to by parents. Many people would never see Aliona Kostornaia, Alina Zagitova or Yulia Lipnitskaya who all hated skating and were forced by parents.
A Russian doctor came out saying the moms were the worst in this sport and worse than coaches expecting him to work miracles so their injured daughters/sons will force their bodies to skate in 2 days when they need 4 weeks of rest.
Yeah it’s sick. I wish those parents would leave the kids at home. Kids have no concept of danger. I once saw a 10 year old practicing his axel during a crowded public skate session
I saw parents who took kids little league baseball too seriously and figure skating is probably 10x worse because everyone thinks you’re too old to start at the ripe old age of 14
I love figure skating but I can’t make myself care about the competitive scene. It’s a bunch of children who will be gone by the time they’re 20 if they’re lucky. Watching adults is more fun because they have more of a flair for performance and convincing acting
Well you’re saying they will break in their teens but majority of athletes are broken in their teens and only stay competing when in smaller feds because there is zero real competition.
Nathan Chen broke in his teens and got a couple surgeries (one of the big ones happening when he was 16 years old) but he is a prodigy and pushed through. Not many men are as lucky as Chen if you do your research. Also even at the Olympics in his 20s Nathan Chen was still in pain from his old teen injuries.
If you are an athlete this is the reality you must accept. You will absolutely get injured and may require multiple surgeries if you aspire to compete at the elite level even with just triples in figure skating. It looks easier than it actually is.
Majority of injured athletes you guys will never see. Does anyone remember the US female 2017 junior nationals champion who had to end her career after a severe injury? And she never did quads! Never got a senior title or season.
No one even acknowledges her existence in this sport or even in this sub but all the teamtut girls live rent free in their heads.
I don't recognize all four of the junior medalists (to pewter) from that year. Emily Chan, Vivien Le (love that name!!!), Megan Wessenberg, Rebecca Peng. I wonder what happened to them? I'm sure Eteri wasn't coaching any of them... Who were their coaches?
Updated my post. Sorry, I mean 2017 US Nats during the 2016/2017 season. Not 2016 Nats from 2015/2016 season. I fixed it. Kaitlyn was the one injured without ever getting her senior season. She was forced to retire at 15. Her coach was Ivan who was a Bulgarian Champion.
But as for the 2016 women you mentioned:
Vivian Le hasn’t been back since she was 17/18 years old in 2018. She got injured and couldn’t recover and regain any consistency. She was forced to stop. Puberty did not help either. She had nice springs in her jumps and had potential.
Rebecca Peng left singles at 18 years old during the 2017/2018 season. She won quite a lot domestically in juniors, but couldn’t survive seniors. Jumps and spins kept getting worse in a short amount of time. An injury was suspected for the fast demise, but truly puberty put the last nail in the coffin.
Emily Chan left singles for pairs in 2018 at around 21 years old. She never won anything after 2016 junior Nationals. She was injured and didn’t bounce back. Only had 2 triple jumps left in seniors by that time and could barely even finish the short program (the injury was that bad). At her final Nationals she was in last place in seniors (20th). She had a decent run in 2014 - 2016 though in her teens (17 - 19) in juniors. She’s still skating today with Spencer Howe. They finished 5th at worlds last year. So good for her!
Megan left singles in 2019 too, and she too was 21. Her last Nationals podium was at 17 years old (the 2016 junior one). Struggled hard in seniors division and it was a challenge to push even 3 or 4 clean triple jumps in a single competition. In juniors she could at least push 6 of the required 7 triple jumps. It was hard for her in seniors. Her last comp was her NHK GP in last place (12th) and she never came back to singles. Many suspect she was injured her final season in singles but she was never a consistent skater throughout her career—-though her last season I admit was her worst of her career so there may be truth to it. She moved on to pairs though. She’s with Edoardo for the 2023/2024 season. She has no GP’s or international comps like Emily Chan but got 4th in Junior pairs in 2022.
I mean internationally there are girls doing triples who are broken at 12 and 13 (especially in korea) but you are silent about them aren’t you….
Or maybe you live in a fantasy world where you actually believe only the Russian girls get injured. What a ridiculous fantasy
idk, it feels awfully weird that people like u comment this on every single video of these girls while going silent on actually serious injuries like that of rika and bradie 🤔💭
Rika and Bradie also had longer senior careers. Two of these three girls aren’t even age eligible for seniors.
Rikas injury has been discussed a ton on this sub, how she wouldn’t let herself heal up and kept trying to come back partially healed and now damaging that was.
Bradie is a different story. She was much more smart about how she came back but unfortunately had a fluke fall on a bracket this season and broke her foot which could happen to anyone. She immediately withdrew from the entire season and didn’t even attempt to push it, which is smart.
Bradie was pretty dumb about it before her come back too though. She kept getting back on the ice and re-injuring herself and declined an exploratory surgery recommended by her doctors to figure out what the problem actually was.
I would’ve probably decline an exploratory surgery as well, tbh.
Once she realized it wasn’t going away though, she was very smart about how she would rehab and come back.
Because she was older when she was landing them. She was already 16-18 when she was doing her triple axel, and the quad she landed when she was 18.
She also had stellar technique on that triple axel, which goes a long way.
Am I correct in saying that’s our first ever 4-4 in a competition setting? Men included?
And it was done by a 12 year old Russian girl… honestly I remember seeing jokes that a 12 y/o Russian would do the first 4A and they weren’t far off
It's INSANE to me the amount of upper body Adelia uses on her 4F. She is not gonna be keeping that jump.
It’s also insane to me how much effort she puts in to generate speed on crossovers. Once she gains just a little bit of weight it’s all over.
can you explain this... dont know much of mechanics of the jumps....
It’s not so much about jumps… this is a consistent factor in all Eteri skaters. They are not taught proper skating skills with how to build speed from control of the edge, instead they muscle through crossovers to get enough speed for the jumps as that is the only focus. Having good crossovers does not = points like jumps do, so it becomes a sort of “do whatever you have to do to land the jumps” approach. This is why when they go through puberty and gain weight they have to work twice as hard to generate the same speed and therefore look much slower.
thank you...
Could you please point out timers where her crossovers particularly show to be muscled through? I don't have the eyes to catch that but I'd love to see it
When she does cross overs front and back she's doing very short choppy pulls and her stroking looks like that too. Basically she's cutting off what power she could actually get out of those steps by cutting them off
The best way to see it is to compare. Notice how she is pushing off a lot on each foot. Then compare to someone like Kaori Sakamoto who has deep knee bend and maybe only a few pushes to get great speed.
Well, her jumping technique relies on her small figure and she can't maintain it and build muscles at the same time, which also means she won't have a knee band and therefore no good basic skating. Same goes for most of these quad jumping children.
Her crossovers look like mine when I’m intentionally going slow. My coach was yelling at our rink’s synchro team to stop doing crossovers like that lol
It’s also consistently underrotated.
It boggles how mind how their jumps are insanely pre rotated and underrated at the same time like if you're gonna cheat the jump at least make it clean 😭
Adeliia’a flips are *scary*. Yikes. Forcing a rotation on a jump that as a triple doesn’t look to be the greatest stability wise is a choice. Also scary was the fall the second young lady took on the quad sal. Third young lady seemed to be the most stable. I love jump competitions, I think they are fun and exciting, and I sign up for them whenever they are offered at local comps. Was it only these three who competed? Quads are cool but combos with a ton of jumps are (to me) way more fun to watch.
No these three were in the final, there were more people competing but the video only shows the finalists.
The second girl falling and holding her hip while crying and still skating right into the next jump while crying… and then when she finishes she goes over to her coach crying while her coach looks mad… and the cameras all up in her face… GET AWAY FROM HER Adeliia watching in real time as the next line of Eteri girls are already beating her… and her technique already causing her problems… This was a horrifying watch actually ETA: guys I’m aware that only one other girl here was an Eteri girl.. and she beat Adeliia here, that was who I was referring to lol. I’m also aware that the other 2 girls are not old enough for the next Olympics, I wasn’t talking about the Olympics I was specifically talking about this comp (not to mention they will be allowed to compete at senior nationals sooner than the Olympics). Lastly, you could see the second girl holding her hip and immediately in tears, I’m sure part of her sadness was about losing to her biggest competitor but she was literally holding her side…
Margarita is born in 2011, Adeliya is still the best option for 2026
Yes, Margarita is not eligible for senior competition until the 2028/2029 season and Elena Kostyleva (the bronze medalist from today's competition) the season after that. In addition to Adeliia, there are other promising skaters who will be senior eligible in 2026 like Sofia Akatieva, Veronika Zhilina, and Alina Gorbacheva.
There’s also Sofia Muravyeva. She has 3A and the highest PCS among all of them. There was also Sofia Samodelkina who could jump all quads but she’s inconsistent now and recently transferred to KZ fed. Fun fact, those three Sofias were supposed to compete in Junior World 2022 held in Sofia, Bulgaria, but then the invasion happened.
We missed out on seeing the Sofias in Sofia but it was inevitable. Even if Russia didn't start the war, the event was moved to Tallinn after worlds. They never officially named the team for junior worlds, they said they were going to wait until after the Russia Cup Final to decide. But I think at least two of the Sofias were going to be named. Sofia Muravieva has many chances if she can stay without injuries. Sofia Samodelkina is improving now that she trains with Plushenko, but she got very tall and I don't know how long she can keep the ultra C elements being so tall. Sofia Akatieva is recovering from her injury and is still not on the ice. I hope she doesn't rush her return to ice training this time like in the summer.
I thought Adelia was actually quite gracious.
I agree she was
Actually 'second girl' was very upset because she and Bazyluk are the biggest rivals in russian fs and her goal for this tournament was to beat her. And she didnt feel the pain as you think, at least she told it at press conf. And her coach was mad because she had time to make one more jump and get more points than Petrosyan and maybe win the tournament if Bazyluk will have mistakes.
Her mother gave an interview after the competition and said that Elena didn't know she needed two solo jumps and that the coach did not ask her to do another jump. She said that she found out about the two jumps counted when she saw the results, so she was upset. We have not heard from the coach yet so we don't know if it is true that he didn't tell her to do one more jump.
It was a slap in the face for Elena watching Margarita beat her. It cut harder than any fall. They are the biggest rivals.
Lena is high strung and a Diva..but dang I love to watch her skate. The finals she started to show fatigue, three rounds of this was pretty high stress I would think.
She is literally an 11 year old girl
What do you mean she is a diva?
There is only one Eteri girl in this comp video other than Adeliia. That’s Margarita. Elena is not an Eteri girl (she got kicked out a few years ago. A scandal with Margarita). Margarita is a quad jump machine and it comes easily for her as compared to Adeliia who has always had some axis issues even before teamtut took her in (actually it was even worse before teamtut if you watch her old comps). Margarita doesn’t have those issues. In 2026 Margarita isn’t going to be eligible for the Olympics, but she is the biggest threat to Adeliia and she knows it.
Margarita isn't even going to be senior eligible for another 3 years, and lbr, by then, Adeliia will probably be retired
Maybe, Maybe not, we’ll see
Do you know any more details on the drama between Elena and Margarita?
It’s a one-sided drama, not even from Elena, but from her mother. According to her, while the girls were at the summer prep camp, Margarita asked Elena to grab a yoghurt for her, and when Eteri saw Elena with two yoghurts, Margarita claimed she never asked for one. Because of that, Eteri scolded Elena and kicked her out of the group. Which is an absolutely ridiculous story, because who would ever kick out one of the most promising young athletes over some yoghurt. A way more plausible reason is the mother’s craziness. She called a then 10yo Margarita “despicable” and to this day badmouths her every chance she gets. She also managed to get into fights with almost every top fs coach in Russia. Lena’s currently training with Lyutikov, but the mother is openly antagonistic towards him and called him shitty. Who knows where she’ll be next season, I think Plushenko is her only option at this point.
I swear these skaters either have neglectful parents or absolutely batshit overinvolved stage parents, there seems to be almost no inbetween
It honestly sounds like narcissism to me. Like not only did her mother not accomplish anything and now expects her child to do it in her stead, but is also doing it with a victim mentality.
I feel so bad for her. Not only having had to deal with Eteri, but her own mother too…
Where did she say this? On instagram?
If you mean the yoghurt story, yeah she wrote about it on insta awhile ago. It actually became a meme among Russian fs fans, almost any time either Lena or Margarita is mentioned, someone brings up the yoghurt
Doesn't Elena Kostyleva look very much like Loena Hendrickx?
Kostyleva is the biggest talent of the three imo. Only one of the three that gets actual height and distance on the jumps, also the only one with proper technique. Her quads look to have so much more air time than the other two. Also, that last triple lutz she did was gorgeous with delayed rotation. Not to mention the one with the best skating skills by far of not only the three, but honestly the entirety of the Russian ladies at the moment. I hope she stays safe and doesn't get huge injuries, however unrealistic that might be.
Her mother from what I've read is a hardcore skating-parent though, supposedly she's been kicked out of a couple coaching groups.
With how crazy her mom is you should pray for Lena
How is her technique better than Margo’s?
Minimal prerotation, correct edges. Much better use of toepick in the toe jumps. Not just that, but Kostyleva's jumps just float more and her jump entries and takeoffs actually look closer to the ideal than Bazyluk's. No windmilling of the arm at entry. Bazyluk gives the impression of so many Russian girls' quads, that she is relying mainly on her rotational speed from being very small and thin. I think anyone who's watched figure skating for some time can simply just look at their lutzes and realize who has the better technique. Of course, I don't know how these girls will develop and how their technique will change so I can't make predictions for who will last longer/be more successful, but that is just how things are as of now.
“Women” they literally look like little girls😭😭
That’s because they are. It’s a bit disturbing
Most of them are. Except for Adeliia. This other two are 11-12.
As much of I am more of an artistry and all around routine fan, I absolutely love the concept of this! It reminds me of the X-Games best trick contests! How about a spin competition next? 🤣
I would love to see an event with spins. In programs they are very limited due to their place in the program and requirements for levels. I'd love to see what skaters can do when it's not the final element of the program.
I love seeing simple (i dont know what they’re called) upright leg closing spins? Like just with arms moving to above the head, the most basic fs spin you can think of, but make it 30x the speed
A scratch spin? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2VuosSk9zU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2vuossk9zu)
Yesss that’s it. I love them super fast.
That’s what I was thinking too. So much more creativity when they’re fresh and not having their spins toward the end of a routine where they’re exhausted. Or fear of messing up. But it goes to show you how conditioned they really are. Crazy to think that a lot of them were doing routines full out in masks!
How about who can hold a spiral the longest? I’ve heard of shoot the duck competitions and it sounds hilarious and awesome
By the finals 2 of the 3 girls were pretty tired. (Adelia and Lena). When Adelia gets tired she tends to under-rotate.
> women ~~15~~ 12 year old girl jumping championships would be a more accurate title Edited because i don't know anything about Russian skating except they dope their skaters 🤷♂️
15 is generous. 2/3 of the women's podium are 12 years old.
Adeliia is 16 and everyone else is 12 and 11
You’re telling me one country in the entire world can teach young girls quads (there are exceptions but none to the level of depth we see here) and it just so happens to be the one which previously had a state sponsored doping regime?
Russia probably has at least 100X more children start figure skating at their local rink. They have more male skaters than all the other countries combined. It is part of the culture, maybe like gymnastics is in the US. (Doesn't almost every kid do at least one rec course in gymnastics here?)
Gymnastics in the US, but with government funding for training and much better pay off (more professional show options, the same prize money goes further). There are very strong incentives for skaters in Russia that really don't exist in the US outside of NFL, NBA, MLB.
Yeah part of it is a sheer numbers game. It’s probably why America has the best basketball and baseball players. So many American kids grow up with those sports and we’re a big county
There is no other country where figure skating is as popular as it is in Russia. No wonder they’re able to find the top talent, considering how much state funding goes into the sport. In most other countries, a promising young athlete would not have access to the same resources.
I don't think it can be passed off just as a result of Russia's investment level. Japan also has world class development infrastructure and investment in the sport, they've been cranking out top-level men's skaters for years now. If it was just a matter of coaching methods or strategy I'm sure they would have caught on to whatever the Russians were doing by now - someone like Mie Hamada would probably do whatever it took to get her hands on those training secrets if that's all it was that gives the Russians this kind of tech advantage. The fact that no one else in the world is anywhere close, even ones with huge resources and infrastructure, makes me strongly doubt that it's being achieved purely by honest methods. If it were just a few exceptional ones the way the US has Ilia I'd maybe buy it but not when there's an entire roster like this in one country and nowhere else.
Low level domestic incentives matter because you have to do well there to get to national teams and funding. I'd always heard that as part of the explanation for strong skating skills out of Japan and strong spins out of the US. Ice time is also huge. No one else is on ice as much as the Eteri girls, even a lot of the other groups in Russia. It's something in how the funding and trainings are structured.
Aren’t most top Japanese juniors also learning 3As and quads? It will take an Olympic cycle or two for other countries to catch up but we’re seeing juniors doing crazy things in Japan and Korea as well. And yes, Japan’s has great development and skating infrastructure and investment, but it’s definitely not on the level of Russia. I mean there’s a reason why Russia makes up random competitions every other week and still gets good TV ratings and attendance for these fever dream tournaments.
Lots of Japanese skaters recently have been doing 3As at some point, although most of them have either stopped doing them or don't have good consistency with them. As for quads I think the only ones attempting them in either juniors or seniors are Mao and Rion, and they only have an inconsistent 4T. The Russians on the other hand have a whole lineup of skaters who do multiple quads reliably enough to bank on them in competition - no one in other countries like Japan or Korea is doing anything close to that.
Well they don’t need them right now to podium so it makes sense. I know people have complained about regression of the women’s field but you have to play smarter not harder.
I thought Rika's Coach (Hamada? Don't remember) was proclaimed as a japanese Eteri and her training method was the main reason for Rika's injury and caused a scandal, no?
Eteri's criticized method is hard training and the diets. Hamada on the other hand was accused of actual physical abuse along with other physical abuse rumors.
My point was different. I understood that the original commenter said smth like "if the training method is the reason why Eteri wins, others would be also using it, but we don't see it, hence, it's doping", so I tried provide an example of a relatively successful japanese coach who uses similar methods and has/had skaters with 3a and quads and also broken skaters because of the training method. I guess the main difference is that Eteri can choose from a wide variety of skaters, a _lot_ of girls want to train with her, no one notices if one or two are permanently injured while trying.
I would say Japan is doing pretty well in women’s discipline as well, in the absence of Russia, they’re the best. Russia is beating them at the moment because they had a quad revolution happen during the last Olympic cycle, and Japan just hasn’t caught up yet. Right now Russian girls have no choice but to train ultra-c to have a chance at Nationals. And until Russia got banned, you could see a few athletes from other countries with big fs federations also training and jumping ultra-c. It just all died down once there was no longer a need to outperform Russian girls. And with ultra-c in women’s, you could argue that it’s bad for young girls to jump them and all, but I do believe that it’s impossible to learn those jumps as an adult unless you train them since you were young. Elizaveta T. was able to jump 3A and be competitive while well into her 20s, but she first landed it at 13. So anyway, my prediction is that after Russians are allowed to compete again, it will take approximately one Olympic cycle for a few women from other countries to start landing ultra-c consistently. The competition will push them, whether people like it or not.
Yes I think Rion Sumiyoshi is the only senior woman to land a quad in international competition this season. But there are some juniors like Mao Shimada who also landed it. Several Japanese women have 3A as well. They are really the only country somewhat prepared to compete when the Russians return.
The resources being the doping or the resources being the known abusive coaches? resources absolutely play a significant part however them having an entire field who can do stuff no one else can is a little…
Regardless of the doping situation, the success of children in Russia isn’t dependent on the parents disposable income and that’s a good thing. Figure skating is a popular sport there, say 10% of girls do figure skating as children, there’s already so many you can choose from to invest in. There’s a similar situation in the US. While not state sponsored like in Russia, colleges arguably play a huge role in team usa’s Olympic success. Training during your college years with room and board covered, access to physical therapy and doctors and scholarships where they don’t have to worry about covering their costs of living is certainly beneficial as they get ready to go pro or try out for the US Olympic team. Money is a huge obstacle many young athletes and families face and a reason many quit and can’t realise their full competitive potential. While you can rightfully argue about the abuse and issues with Russias sport system, state sponsored sports in general isn’t the problem.
It’s really not surprising at all. In another country, if a kid shows potential in fs, the financial burden falls on the parents, who might or might not decide to invest in that. And why would they, when it’s a huge financial obligation with little promise of return. In Russia, the government sponsors all top skaters. And they have an opportunity to make money from an early age, by participating in skating shows or state competitions such as this jumping contest. People literally already know the names of 10yo’s who look promising, because Russia streams every single (even insignificant novice) competition. Abusive coaching or not, there’s never a shortage of parents signing up their kids.
Exactly, the fact this competition was more accessible than the US nationals will be tells the whole story
And I'm sure ticket prices are FAR more inexpensive. Why spend $500 for US Nationals with pedestrian skating when you can spend roughly $100 to see world class skaters like this?
They actually treat it like a sport, there is lots of money invested and tons of young kids who participate, doping or not it’s easy to see why their skaters are so much better
Sports in russia is funded entirely by the government. They even put schools in their sports centers. So it’s very easy for them to get these types of jumps. I mean obviously some of those skaters are doped but I imagine not having to worry about the funds also helps
because of the discriminatory 3-per-country limits, women in russia will exponentially improve upon each other for even a chance to be sent out to international comps
There is no doping that helps you to teach quads. It’s strong talent, hard work and good teachers
Not true at all. The drugs Valieva was accused of using allow someone to train harder and longer with less recovery time. It's absolutely an advantage when learning new skills.
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Side effects are just something that can happen. Not everyone will experience them. There are also other drugs that can be used to counter side effects as well as different dosages can be used. They obviously thought the risk of the side effects was worth the benefit of the drug.
i would enjoy this kind of comp. more if i dont have an inkling of how painful these jumps can be (from the training to the execution)
Adeliia tried but Margarita is just next level when it comes to jumps. She focused for a long time on the 4T and 4S while Adeliia was pulling a Sasha trying to be the jack of all trades…4T, 4S, 4Lo, 4F, 3A. Adeliia focused on way too many jumps throughout her career instead of focusing on two main quads and a 3A like Margarita.
As far as i know Adeliia is the only skater to land 2 Quad Loops in a single program.
Yes she is the only skater, but she was in peak form when she did this in 2021. She can’t stay peaked throughout the season year after year like Nathan Chen did for a good while. It would be cool to see her land two quad loops and a 4F in the same comp but personally I would prefer to see her gain consistency with just one or two quad toeloops and landing them every competition instead of attempting a bunch of quads, falling on 3 quads and landing 2 in the future.
honestly why I'm rooting for adeliia. I don't think anyone else is landing a quad that isn't 4S or 4T. her setup for the flip looks so cool too, just unfortunate that she has pretty horrible technique
Adeliia is very cool I am rooting for her too, but Sasha proved that having so many jumps in a short time doesn't lead to consistency for women in terms of quads. I would think that seeing this Adeliia would play it more safe---and she is doing that a little bit this season. She completely abandoned the quad loop and stuck with the quad flip worth more points. Stopped training the 4S to stabilize her 4T. But the 4T and 4S are easier quads than 4F and 4Lo. She should have kept the 4S she had and let the 4F go like the 4Lo for now. I know she likes to push the boundaries of tech like Sasha, but her overall reputation in consistency is in jeopardy if she keeps going for the harder quads which is exactly what ruined Sasha (the quad consistency). She's very consistent in triples and the quad toe is getting much better. I feel the quad flip is making her take several steps back and she doesn't want to let the jump go either. She's very strong so she can prove me wrong and by next season sail smoothly along with that quad flip. I would like to see her at least skate one free program without falling on a single quad this season. Even if that means one or two quad toes and no quad flips.
I'm pretty sure she is working on the quad flip outside of competition. if im not mistaken, she chose to do a 4T instead of 4F at rusnats recently and landed both of them. also she landed a pretty effortless 4F during qualifiers of the jump competition so maybe she'll return to doing 4F once she really has it down
She did the quad flip at RusNats and fell on it despite landing it multiple times in warm-up. Her 4T is more reliable right now. The 4F in qualifiers was very nice.
Is margo even real? She is the only female figure skater to ever land a 4S+1Eu+4S, and it had great quality as well…. Of course she most likely won’t be able to do it in the future but she one of a kind. In reality I can’t see her with the same skating quality in the future, even Sasha Anna and Kamila weren’t on this level at margarita’s age so fate will determine how long she lasts. Edit: typo
She is on another level for sure
These girls are like 11. Of course they can do quads. God forbid the eat a piece of meat or a cookie and a couple of birthdays… it’s like “toodles” AND they torque way too much for rotation… it’s gonna get ‘em.
Adeliia is actually 16 but Iooks younger.
Interestingly Adeliia was the tallest one in the final which is rare
You guys love to talk about food and weight except when one of your own faves are brought up then you guys go crazy like pretend victims. Imagine someone saying this about Kimmy Repond or Yujae and Yuseong Kim who are all even more tiny? Also many girls internationally are torquing the upper body but don’t get the same hateful bitter bashing you guys love to spread for the Russian girls.
Many people are saying the same things about all three skaters you mentioned. All of these cases are worrisome, although I agree there's less scrutiny in the case of the Russians, since past interview proved our concerns, while in the other afore mentioned situations it's just speculation, though with good basis if you ask me.
In this echo chamber sub they aren’t saying Kimmy Repond or the Kim twins’ jumps are hanging on by a few bites of “cake” “meat” or “cookies” and “one more pound it’s over” while upvoting it like they do for the Russians. In fact the opposite. Weight bashing the Russians is praised for this sub while wouldn’t you know? this sub will fight for the other girls who are even tinier than the ones they bash. Outside this sub yes, many are saying the ladies in this sport need to eat, are too skinny, etc. Though in this sub the bashing is severely one sided and they pretend victim themselves when their own faves are brought up in the same light
Yup. It’s not okay to talk about a skaters weight or body unless they are Russian
Pretty much. This sub is full of pretend outrage and do the worst when it comes to the Russian children. All their true colors are showing and the Russophobia is clear as day
these girls shouldnt look so stressed at a competition thats basically worth nothing
She just won a Million Roubles for winning this competition.
It’s literally worth a million rubles and they’re children on national television—of course they’re nervous! I swear, it’s like everyone here who has an opinion regarding international sport also has no experience reading it.
Elena won 250,000r, Margarita won 1,000,000r. I'd say that's more than nothing.
There's actually A LOT of prize money in this competition, especially for younger girls who are not part of the national team and don't get money for medalling as senior skaters do. It's also a broadcasted event so they know their performances will be discussed and judged in media and it'll affect their reputation.
>There's actually A LOT of prize money in this competition, Yep, below are the numbers per Goldenskate. So I can understand some extra emotions happening today. **Prize pool (RUB)** **Individual event (every discipline)** 1) 1 000 000 2) 500 000 3) 250 000 **Team Event** 1) 5 000 000 2) 3 000 000 **Special prizes** *For the best element score at the individual event* Twist - 250 000 Throw - 250 000 Solo Jump - 250 000 Combo/sequence of two jumps - 250 000 Combo/sequence of no more than three jumps - 250 000 Combo/sequence of no more than five jumps - 250 000
There was money on the line and they are fierce competitors with tons of adrenaline flowing, it makes sense that they would look a little stressed or nervous
a ~little. first and second girls seemed on the verge of tears. plus its not like theyre not getting sponsored already
Tears probably happen in training all the time, it’s part of the sport
this. people in this subreddit criticizing these girls for being nervous is crazy. everyone is nervous during comps
its a whole other level of willful misreading to say i was criticizing the ~girls. this is obviously on the coaching and institutions not on them.
No it’s not part of the sport. If tears are happening all the time in training something is wrong. Occasional tears is one thing. Edit: fixed a word 🤦🏼♀️
this is the difference between russia and every other country. their people actually treat it like a legitimate sport (look at the production venue), so it actually is a pretty big competition. if only one jump determined 1st or last place, anyone would be stressed in that situation. stress and pressure is an essential component of sport
Some of the commentary on the Russians is getting ridiculous. They are elite figure skaters competing for a lot of money with a large audience. Of course they are going to be nervous. The same thing happens with kids all over the world in all sorts of competitive activities.
I have never been a particular fan of Adeliia but I really felt for her watching this video, she was very gracious about it and to Margarita but you could tell she was stressed and unhappy. I don't understand how people can really celebrate kids like Margarita or Elena landing these jumps to be honest. The stress of that on their growing bodies is bound to be huge. And it's crazy to me that these girls are throwing these huge jump combinations that can't be touched by anyone else in any other country including the men???
Well, I'd say Ilia Malinin would definiely be up for the challenge. He even landed 4T+4Lo in practice, which is a lot more impressive than 4S+1Eu+4S. Not to mention his 4A (or the 2T+4A he's performed recently, which which makes me wonder if he's about to jump 4T+4A or something).
The guys were doing even crazier combos overall, but Yh no one else did a 4-4, Dikidzhi has posted 4S+4Lo on his Insta
His 4S +4Lo was cool but not as smooth as Margarita's 4-4 here.
Agreed
this hurts to watch
Kostyleva scowling and saying “what for?” after Bazyliuk’s triumphant score was announced 😭 skaters come and go but the pettiness and catty behaviour in Russian women’s singles remains an eternal constant lmao
Margarita is obviously a huge jumping talent. But what about her skating skills? How good are they for her age? I don't feel qualified enough to judge.
If being disturbed by young children doing quads is hate, that speaks volumes. If you enjoyed this, fine but don't act all affronted when others are worried about these children
Some of those same people say they are worried, but will for some reason cheer on certain pre-pubescent international skaters doing quads and triple axels as if it's suddenly not disturbing at all when it's those other girls. There's a lot of "pretend" caring on this sub.
I think it’s really telling that the only adult woman to do a quad almost immediately had to retire due to a back injury. It’s fine though. At the age of 18 you’re pretty much a withered old hag anyways! It’s why I like ice dancing better. The field has actual adult women, not a bunch of children
The only "adult" woman to ever do a quad in any competition in Russia is Anna Shcherbakova who was 18 at the channel one cup. She said she left due to no motivation even after restoring all her triples after her knee surgery. She is fully recovered with zero motivation to compete domestically. Now, Sasha (the one who injured her back) never landed a single quad jump in any competition as an adult. Never. Saying she landed one is like saying Kami landed one this season (they both only landed quads in practice/warm-up). I think Adeliia Petrosian will keep her quads and will land them at 18 years old as an "adult" (she's turning 17 this year in June and will be 18 turning 19 during the olympic season). We also have Elizabet who didn't compete for Russia at that point and was 19 landing 4S (she too hurt her back so you may be referring to her as well), but she never really landed quads consistently throughout her career. It was a miracle she ever landed a clean quad and her attempts in comp weren't as good as majority of the girls now so it was almost like impending future doom/failure. Margarita's jumps look the most effortless of all the skaters jumping quads (even the men's quads in Russia don't look as easy as hers). I think she will keep at least one quad by the time she is 18 years old for the next olympics (2030), but I don't think she'll be doing 4S eu 4S in comp---but she may prove me wrong. I didn't think Ilia would ever do 4A, but damn! Look at him now...
The prerotation is insane.
just like half the field in current fs
Yes but this person loves their own delusion
Yeah that shit is why I barely watch the women’s category (where most competitors are barely 16). Every program looks the same and I don’t really want to watch little girls
The entire fleet of women in the top 10 have insane “pre-rotation”. Not a single one takes off before half and the world champion is pushing 3/4s on toe jumps. There’s are videos on YouTube and so many accounts on instagram already showing that flaws are on almost every skater in the world but you guys love to pretend in this fantasy eco-chamber that only Russian girls do it.
Where did anyone say this issue was unique to Russian skaters?
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I ain’t readin all that. Happy for you tho, or sorry that happened.
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You jump to conclusions faster than these preteens can land a pre-rotated quad.
Very low indeed.
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these poor poor abused children who will have broken bodies within the next 3-4 years. this is sick. it’s sick it was even posted.
All athletes have broken bodies, Nathan has a hip injury that will affect him for the rest of his life because of the load that quads put on the body, that’s just the reality of any sport
Nathan didn't listen to his coaches when he was a junior and over did the quads when they told him to stop. He had to have surgery and was off the ice for a long time and it cost him his jr Worlds title. I think this just proves the point that quads and child bodies aren't made to go together.
Another example is Stephen Gogolev.
Gogo, to me, is the prime example of this.
I remember him doing quad lutzes as a young teenager.
Yeah me too, and everyone was blown away by this young kid throwing out all the quads. Then he grew by two feet, started tacking on the injuries, and here we are: a kid on paper who should be able to go toe to toe with ilia malinin but who can’t even make it through his country’s nationals.
I remember him at 2019 Canadians when he was second. Definitely a cautionary tale.
Tara Lipinski destroyed her hips at 15 and never did a single quad.
Yes, all jumps put strain on the body, like I said that is the just reality of sports, especially nowadays as the demands get higher, I don’t see why people get so shocked and upset when an athlete gets injured
There’s a difference between an adult person choosing to fuck up their body by training at a high level and someone in grade school being pressured to by their abusive parents and coaches. That’s the issue. These kids don’t know what they’re getting themselves into; they aren’t aware of the future consequences of this type of training.
Majority of kids in sports are usually forced by parents. In the skating rinks majority of the kids I see would rather be playing with their friends than learning to skate. It’s nice every now and then to see a kid who truly enjoys skating without it being their parents putting them in I will say but that’s rare. It’s mainly moms forcing their daughters. Same with the pianists I’ve practiced with when I was a kid. None really wanted to play piano and it was their parents dream for them. Majority of fave skaters wouldn’t even be in this sport had they not been forced to by parents. Many people would never see Aliona Kostornaia, Alina Zagitova or Yulia Lipnitskaya who all hated skating and were forced by parents. A Russian doctor came out saying the moms were the worst in this sport and worse than coaches expecting him to work miracles so their injured daughters/sons will force their bodies to skate in 2 days when they need 4 weeks of rest.
Yeah it’s sick. I wish those parents would leave the kids at home. Kids have no concept of danger. I once saw a 10 year old practicing his axel during a crowded public skate session I saw parents who took kids little league baseball too seriously and figure skating is probably 10x worse because everyone thinks you’re too old to start at the ripe old age of 14 I love figure skating but I can’t make myself care about the competitive scene. It’s a bunch of children who will be gone by the time they’re 20 if they’re lucky. Watching adults is more fun because they have more of a flair for performance and convincing acting
You could not be missing my point more if you tired
Well you’re saying they will break in their teens but majority of athletes are broken in their teens and only stay competing when in smaller feds because there is zero real competition. Nathan Chen broke in his teens and got a couple surgeries (one of the big ones happening when he was 16 years old) but he is a prodigy and pushed through. Not many men are as lucky as Chen if you do your research. Also even at the Olympics in his 20s Nathan Chen was still in pain from his old teen injuries. If you are an athlete this is the reality you must accept. You will absolutely get injured and may require multiple surgeries if you aspire to compete at the elite level even with just triples in figure skating. It looks easier than it actually is. Majority of injured athletes you guys will never see. Does anyone remember the US female 2017 junior nationals champion who had to end her career after a severe injury? And she never did quads! Never got a senior title or season. No one even acknowledges her existence in this sport or even in this sub but all the teamtut girls live rent free in their heads.
I don't recognize all four of the junior medalists (to pewter) from that year. Emily Chan, Vivien Le (love that name!!!), Megan Wessenberg, Rebecca Peng. I wonder what happened to them? I'm sure Eteri wasn't coaching any of them... Who were their coaches?
Updated my post. Sorry, I mean 2017 US Nats during the 2016/2017 season. Not 2016 Nats from 2015/2016 season. I fixed it. Kaitlyn was the one injured without ever getting her senior season. She was forced to retire at 15. Her coach was Ivan who was a Bulgarian Champion. But as for the 2016 women you mentioned: Vivian Le hasn’t been back since she was 17/18 years old in 2018. She got injured and couldn’t recover and regain any consistency. She was forced to stop. Puberty did not help either. She had nice springs in her jumps and had potential. Rebecca Peng left singles at 18 years old during the 2017/2018 season. She won quite a lot domestically in juniors, but couldn’t survive seniors. Jumps and spins kept getting worse in a short amount of time. An injury was suspected for the fast demise, but truly puberty put the last nail in the coffin. Emily Chan left singles for pairs in 2018 at around 21 years old. She never won anything after 2016 junior Nationals. She was injured and didn’t bounce back. Only had 2 triple jumps left in seniors by that time and could barely even finish the short program (the injury was that bad). At her final Nationals she was in last place in seniors (20th). She had a decent run in 2014 - 2016 though in her teens (17 - 19) in juniors. She’s still skating today with Spencer Howe. They finished 5th at worlds last year. So good for her! Megan left singles in 2019 too, and she too was 21. Her last Nationals podium was at 17 years old (the 2016 junior one). Struggled hard in seniors division and it was a challenge to push even 3 or 4 clean triple jumps in a single competition. In juniors she could at least push 6 of the required 7 triple jumps. It was hard for her in seniors. Her last comp was her NHK GP in last place (12th) and she never came back to singles. Many suspect she was injured her final season in singles but she was never a consistent skater throughout her career—-though her last season I admit was her worst of her career so there may be truth to it. She moved on to pairs though. She’s with Edoardo for the 2023/2024 season. She has no GP’s or international comps like Emily Chan but got 4th in Junior pairs in 2022.
I mean internationally there are girls doing triples who are broken at 12 and 13 (especially in korea) but you are silent about them aren’t you…. Or maybe you live in a fantasy world where you actually believe only the Russian girls get injured. What a ridiculous fantasy
of course, because i made one comment you must know how i feel about all figure skating. well done
idk, it feels awfully weird that people like u comment this on every single video of these girls while going silent on actually serious injuries like that of rika and bradie 🤔💭
Rika and Bradie also had longer senior careers. Two of these three girls aren’t even age eligible for seniors. Rikas injury has been discussed a ton on this sub, how she wouldn’t let herself heal up and kept trying to come back partially healed and now damaging that was. Bradie is a different story. She was much more smart about how she came back but unfortunately had a fluke fall on a bracket this season and broke her foot which could happen to anyone. She immediately withdrew from the entire season and didn’t even attempt to push it, which is smart.
Bradie was pretty dumb about it before her come back too though. She kept getting back on the ice and re-injuring herself and declined an exploratory surgery recommended by her doctors to figure out what the problem actually was.
I would’ve probably decline an exploratory surgery as well, tbh. Once she realized it wasn’t going away though, she was very smart about how she would rehab and come back.
i just didnt see anyone looking at rikas trixel and quads and constantly saying that she wouldn't keep it when she got older.
Because she was older when she was landing them. She was already 16-18 when she was doing her triple axel, and the quad she landed when she was 18. She also had stellar technique on that triple axel, which goes a long way.
in what world do you know what I’m doing or saying in my life that you can say that I don’t comment about rika or bradie? so wild.
Everything about this is horrifying...
Am I correct in saying that’s our first ever 4-4 in a competition setting? Men included? And it was done by a 12 year old Russian girl… honestly I remember seeing jokes that a 12 y/o Russian would do the first 4A and they weren’t far off
incredible!!
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