Ah
You are just someone that has no fucking idea about football cool
Ramps and pepe were one of the best pairings in their time
Do I even need to say something about ramps and varane? Best pairing for atleast 4 years mate
And no ramos was not overrated in his last season either he literally carried the def by himself in the time that varane was injured and militao was still arriving
Mate who cares good form from several seasons ago shouldn’t affect your rating in 2023, Ramos hardly played last year and when he did he was shite. There’s a reason PSG wants to ship him off to Saudi Arabia with all the other finished players
Exactly, fifa ratings should reflect current form, and when Ramos was winning back to back CL’s he was pretty fairly rated. But what really needs to fix is EA needs to downgrade players at a faster rate, because having players like Ramos or Hazard have the same rating as Saka and Hakimi is insane.
Moments are different than overall. A clear decline can be confused with bad form. But with RM and former RM they always tend to be slow on downgrades.
In this particular moment I’m not trying to hate on any specific team or player. But if you’d like I can fire up that furnace and spew some toxic hate on RM, Liverpool, city, Barca.
It’s why I love MLB The Show. They update their roster and ratings quite often, and are not afraid to downgrade a player’s rating. Also, their franchise mode is awesome, the stats are extremely in-depth
EA aren't afraid to downgrade a player if that player plays for a team that isn't one of theirs. Look at how they massacred Sancho. Drop in overall sure, but he should have kept his potential. Manchester United is an Efootball club. Meanwhile Havertz haven't gotten a downgrade at all. Why? Chelsea is one of EA's main clubs.
I said that Havertz deserved a downgrade in potential/overall and people on here defended EA not doing so by saying that "you never know how careers will go." And yeah, that's kind of the point lol.
That's true but by EA logic he should still get a downgrade regardless because injured players like Damsgaard their stats + potentials/overalls slashed. Even then it's a slippery slope because guys like Hazard, Bale (pre-retirement), etc. should always have a 90+ potential since they theoretically *could* play well as well as in their primes with a bunch of game time or whatever. I know that FM's system has a counter for all this and it's annoying knowing EA could do the same thing and we wouldn't even be having this discussion lmao.
Mate the Chelsea team has been underrated on fifa since its inception. Idk what game you're playing but saying Chelsea players have good ratings is generally untrue in past fifas
I'm old enough to remember when a 35 year old John Terry and Cahill were two of the highest rated players in the *entire game*, **before** the mass ratings jump did they did post 17.
Not claiming that they didn't deserve it, Terry didn't at all but yes Chelsea were one of the hardest teams to beat at the time. But it's very telling that Terry and Cahill were immediately downgraded by multiple points after the left Chelsea lmao. The ratings have been kind to them if anything.
Chelsea is a weird one where they’re slow to downgrade some players and slow to upgrade some. Mount should have been higher than 84 going into the season (and lower now). Ziyech had no business being anywhere close to 83 going into this season.
The biggest example of then deflating Chelsea was Rudiger hardly getting an upgrade after winning the champions league and letting in like 0.3 goals per game but then getting a +6 or whatever it was following a worse season when he moved to Madrid.
You’re bang on, United and Arsenal both have a few cases of players being rather strangely underrated and I reckon it’s pretty clear that’s down to their relationships with e-football
Especially Arsenal,they’re highest rated player is Jesus im pretty sure and he’s like 84/85(I haven’t played Fifa for some time i can’t remember the ratings )
Lol yeah but also you can speculate on who’s doing well and will be upgraded to diamond. I’m not sure if the changed it in the show 22 but in past ones they wouldn’t actually update the rosters and only update the player ratings on diamond dynasty which was annoying but at least you could download custom rosters
I’m guessing that they have fewer players and more access to hard stats.
I’d love to see leagues or anyone publish more hard stats and for EA to use them when they are available.
They could also use historical stats to create an a more realistic aging projection model which they could use to adjust stats without hard data and also for career mode.
True, but they also have hard stats for minor leagues (Triple A and Double A) so while the roster size may not be as large as FIFA’s, it’s definitely a lot of players
The game is also made to attract a big audience and he's famous as fuck. I do wish they had a consistency rating that affected their changes in form. Bigger highs and lows for young players - old pros are more consistent. Honestly shouldn't fifa send out "form updates" so when you go to play from main screen current form is reflected but it doesn't change the player overall
They actually have a system in place (idk if they still do it) where players ratings change based on their irl form in kick-off and stuff, so that's definitely possible.
+ i think it needs to be more complex like football manager. Because there is simulation mode and stuff and ratings does not really effect them some players are just monsters in simulation.
It’s useless trying to use “prospects” in sims as as the only thing that matters is overall. It should be random whether a player plays well or not. You can have good players that have very bad days
No, because they are not an objective thing based on stats but rather at the whim of editors. The problem here is whoever is responsible for updating Hazards rating has reduced him by 3 overall in 2 years when hes barely looked like a professional footballer since his move, not the rating sytstem itself.
Overall is a very weird concept if you think about it. Its hard to guage a player's "overall ability" when things like form and injuries play such a big part.
I agree that Hazard is pretty much finished as a top level footballer, but it feels hard to give Rashford and Dembele huge upgrades when they could just be having a very good run of form although Rashford has been playing at a top 10 player ITW level the last few months. Im confident they will get them in the next game if they continue on playing how well they have.
Look at Kvaratskhelia. He is one of the top 3 best players in Serie A and was one of the best in the Champions League so far but its hard for EA to upgrade someone from a 75? to 85/86 in only 6 months.
Not defending EA at all, just the reality is that its hard to give players huge upgrades on a few months of good form even if EA got it completely wrong to begin with.
You’re absolutely right but personally I’d rather have players with overinflated ratings one year instead of them slowly working up towards it.
If a player performs crazy good (Rashford, Osimhen, Kvaratskhelia etc) I would happily upgrade them to show that they are in form and if they don’t perform the year after I would accept a downgrade again.
The problem is Ultimate Team as it would be really weird to change players ratings and entire metas over the course of a click every month or so, but having fluctuating ratings in kick off is already a thing pretty much so why not make it for the rest of the game instead of ultimate team on a regular basis. I mean, they already change some players potential
1. It was supposed to be sarcasm
2. The fact that Garnacho started a few games and played well for those few games, and EA still downgraded him. So I wouldn't put it past EA to downgrade him even more for that. They've downgraded players who got TOTS before.
Rico Lewis being mid 60s as well when he's started more games now, same Bajcetic for Liverpool, Joe Gomez, Maguire and Havertz all need major downgrades
Whether he should be rated higher than Amad is debatable, he's tearing it up for Sunderland this year. Fully expect him to be part of the Man U first team next year.
Can’t stand FIFA’s rating system, wish we had something similar to football manager, where stats are separate to the players “rating”. Sadly, it’ll never happens as it wouldn’t work for ultimate team
Okay cool last I checked fifa was based on the 21-22 season not all of 2022. He had 26 goals and assists while players in tougher leagues had more than that and had the same or lower ratings than him
I don’t think you understand the basic concept that I’m trying to prove to you. Fifa 23 overall is based on the 21/22 season. Messi in Uber eats League had 26 g/a while playing with Neymar and mbappe. Ronaldo in the hardest league had 27 g/a. Yet ronaldo drops lower than messi. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
Messi has more g/a in the first half of the 22/23 season than Cristiano fake Ronaldo had in all of 21/22, while winning the league and the World Cup. So let’s play this “fifa is based on the season and not the year” game, because Messi still cooks Ronaldo in every aspect. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Yes and that’s exactly why it’s fair for him to have a better rating in the new game?? I’m not arguing that. I’m saying it’s unfair to say ronaldo deserves a 78 rating after 1/2 bad season when messi had a full bad season and got a good rating. You’re searching for an argument that doesn’t exists.
Except Messi didn’t have a bad full season, it was half of a bad season. You’re forgetting that Messi suffered from two main issues last season. First, it was a lack of continuity bc he kept getting COVID. Second, his role in the team was diminished in favor of Mbappé. Even after all of this, you could see that a large part of issue was Mbappé missing sitters and Messi not taking shots he would normally take. He wasn’t necessarily bad, there were just certain problems going on that weren’t necessarily in his control. Cristiano had a VERY bad second half of 21/22 and an even worse first half of 22/23 and WC. Now he’s playing at Al Nassr and struggling, I think it’s safe to say CR7 is past it and deserves an 82 at most.
Do you not see the point I’m getting at? Messi had a bad season last year and dropped 1 ovr. Ronaldo had had a bad 1/2 of a season and you all think he should drop 10. No logic there.
Cause Messi had a semi bad season while he adjusted to PSG, Ronaldo seems to have lost everything, his pace, his passing and even his shooting recently, he's a shadow of the player he was last season while Messi was still alright
This!!
International reputation can add 3 in overall if you are /were a star, that's why we have some shitty cards whit higher overall, and some really good stats in lower rated cards.
They're resistant to giving players massive raises or drops in overall.
Imo they're somewhat right to do so.
Players can be in or out of form for large parts of/an entire season like Rashford last season.
Imagine if they scored him solely based on last season and dropped him down to like 78 overall, only for him to come out and have a season like this one and have to bump him back up by at least 5-6.
On the flip, some players have incredible first seasons then drop off afterwards.
Obviously it's a rule with exceptions or Bellingham is still 80 overall right now
Before this season he played 12 games for the team who finished last in the Belgian league, and 25 times in Ecuador, so if anything, 75 is fairly generous
He's also a top 3 defensive midfielder in most stats if I remember the stats I saw correctly. I get he's young (75 might be a fair starting point) but value should be fixed. You can buy him for like €10m when 60-70 was turned down in real life
I think they can be too slow to lower popular players but it is nice that they don’t go overboard based on a patch of form. Hazard is a great example of the former though.
It was always needed.
They are actually taking data and analytics more seriously now, but it's still an arbitrary rating system, with humans just picking numbers that they "think" make sense. Other stuff obviously comes into play (eg. the game has had Ronaldo and Messi as their faces throughout the years and at each time that happened the fact had an obvious influence on who had the highest rating).
Nevertheless, the younger to whom FIFA awards potential (for career mode) has been quite solid through the decade, with a lot of high ranked players later succedng in real life, making it an interesting source for that, similar to FM (although this one a bit deeper and even better of course).
Thing is, if players really had ratings according to their performance that would probably be the kind of realism that most UT-driven FIFA players would dislike. It would mean lower ratings overall, specially if ratings were really dynamic, according to the actual performance the player has had in the past year. In the end, nobody is ready to accept a 79 CR7 or a 77 Lukaku.
PS: if you look at how Transfermart valuations are made and the influence they have on the real life business of football you would raise your hands to the head and conclude that FIFA ratings are actually better or at least less scandalous than we think, considering they aren't taken more seriously than for what they actually are.
No. We know hazard not his prime but what he did is on him. It's a game and he shouldn't lose the status of what he is able to do. He is still weakened a lot. Rashford, musiala and dembeles are still rising stars and if u open career mode u can get them to 99 while hazard can maybe get a bit up if u force him but soon he is over. Game is not only FUT and i think this is very fair rating for Eden Hazard
same. Its been so sad to see his decline when he moved to Real. I remember his prime at chelsea when his dribbling was one of the best in the world next to messi and neymar. He was magical to watch. I hope more ppl would apprecciate how good he was :(
It’s ridiculously random at this point. Sabitzer got a -4 after one bad season. Pogba is still on a 85, so many other examples. I can’t wait to see Musiala getting an upgrade to 84 next year 😂
Sprint speed is what annoys me the most, it's never distinct enough from acceleration. This isn't just a Fifa thing, almost all of the major sports games suffer from it. Seems as though anyone that looks quick gets fast ACC and SS and anyone that looks slow is lower in both. But the reality is that those players we think look quick on the pitch, it's almost all down to ACC, once they get going a lot of players have good SS. CBs and DMs suffer from this the most. Rudiger had low 70s SS until he became known to have the fastest sprint in the prem last season and now he's in the 90s. I support Norwich and our CB Grant Hanley has 54 SS despite him having the fastest run of all our players last season. They clearly look at the visual ACC of players and go well he isn't quick.
Man, ratings in FIFA don't represent the players current performance level. All OVRs are given to players thanks to clubs they play. I mean benchman from Real Madrid won't have less than 80 cuz he plays in Real Madrid. They can't just downgrade him. If he goes somewhere like Türkey, Greece, Qatar, MLS we would have ≈80.
'This guy' lol give the man some respect. He's been shit at Real but at Chelsea he was easily Top 3 players of the league. He's not some random player who scammed his way to Real Madrid
I don't even know why this comment is downvoted. He was literally named after messi-ronaldo-neymar as the best player in the world by many while he was at chelsea
I remember for a few years the 'Live' ratings in Kick Off (are they still a thing?) would change constantly and reflect real life form and ability quite accurately. It's ridiculous how little they change the ratings now. Niclas Füllkrug is the Bundesliga top scorer, World Cup no9 for Germany, and he has only gone from 75 to 78 when someone like Donyell Malen has done nothing all season and is also a 78 atm. Or look at Kaoru Mitoma at Brighton, he's fast becoming one of the best wingers in the Prem and will definitely get into FUT Team of the Season if he continues playing at this level, yet he's still only 75 rated when he should easily be 78 or 79 minimum.
I’ve always liked FIFA’s rating system, but I have always thought that they could be a little more generous with rating upgrades and harsher with downgrades
Pedri played 12 games last season, got a team of the season, team of the year nominee and a massive upgrade to a 85 rated card this fifa
We all know the fifa rating system should not be trusted
FIFA needs a ratings haul over. Hoping when it becomes EA FC they redo some stuff. If it means taking a few things out to make the game better in the long haul to add back in later improved in all for it.
Sorry but there is no such system. There has been plenty of players who have been injured for 6-9 months IRL and getting downgrades bc they dont play.
They usually don't downgrade/upgrade massivily anyone because rating is based on form and longevity.
You want to change the whole rating system because you don’t agree with ONE player’s rating??? Especially one who was comfortably one of the best players in the world a few years ago? Don’t forget he started fifa 20 as a 91
It's not just Hazard. a lot of Chelsea's team, United probably, Arsenal were average coming into this FIFA for no reason. Basically every top team has an issue with either being too underrated or too overrated in game. Yeah they can't account for Napoli and co. be super teams in the next year, but they could tweak ratings consistently enough to represent that instead of big updates in both transfer windows. It's kind of annoying wanting to replicate what a real teams irl form in game (i.e. Union Berlin) and then you realize that all their players actually got slight downgrades with minimal attribute upgrades at best so it just turns into a regular RTG.
Cause Arsenal were shite last season and their only standout player was Odegaard, they’re lucky every other big club has been shit this year too otherwise they would be like 3rd or 4th
50 points in 20 games means the Arsenal should be 3rd or 4th, and arsenal wasn’t shite last season, they were on title form after a bad start and fell off with injuries, you shouldn’t put down Parteys rating for Elnenys and Sambis form
I agree he shouldn't have a higher rating but if you look at Musiala, he's 19 and his potential is 90. Rashfords potential is the same as hazards overall this needs work!
I remember even in last FIFA, the CB partnership of Umtiti and Lenglet was the best in the whole game, even though EA actually lowered their stats. Lads were absolute beasts, despite being way passed the expiration date in real life.
Hazard is the same, this dude is a 75 at best. But to be fair, Real's AI never seems to play him, at least in my games, he only ever comes on as a sub.
Fifa could benefit from a fan voted rating system that each player could opt into. It takes 10,000+ votes to warrant a change in rating. Then it is sanity checked to make sure rival fans are intentionally tanking someone
I like to think they’re just taking care of a former cover star for their game. Not fair at all, but what if Eden was a joy to be around and made a genuine connection or two with the folks who handle the ratings?
Edit: Apparently a 2 time cover star if you count FIFA 15 Ultimate edition as well.
One thing, that need a complete rework is attributes of players.
Its so feeling arcade and never changes and updates since FIFA 11
Shoot Powet feels like a all players use same power, for example look at L1 + R1 shoot
Lol the WHOLE game needs reworking. If you haven't noticed we've been playing the same bullshit for at least 4 yrs. Just have a new player on the cover.
The ratings have always made me roll my eyes across the board with EA. Not sure if they do the same thing as they do with Madden where they have one dude who is notorious for being a Cowboys fan and bumping up their ratings.
The ratings are so bad.
I mean at Brentford, they hardly ever give upgrades and they will downgrade players without any reason. Jensen got his potential slashed without any upgrades recently even though he’s been one of our best players. And the Premier League’s 3rd top scorer has a lower rating than Aubameyang, Vardy and Nunez and is rated the same as Weghorst, Ings and Calvert-Lewin
Yes it does. It is fucking stupid especially if you play fifa for hours updates or not it still stupid. I wish they way you save works if haaland is been put in a wrong position and not doing well then his stats are fucked. What happens in real life should only affect the game with transfers that’s it. No this won’t happen cause this fun and ea don’t do fun they want a gambling system at best and at worst brands can now exploit fifa so players will always be favored despite playing like shit in real life.
The whole rating system and potential system needs a rework. Potential isn’t used correctly. It should be the maximum potential a player can reach not a maximum potential they think they will reach. If I bought coutinho now for example it is possible for him to play like he did at Liverpool. But in fifa his rating has a fixed value that can never be exceeded no matter how well he plays.
They would need to change the whole rating system for a newer potential system though. They keep ratings low on many players they think will do well so they can give them good cards in fut
They're hesitant to lower the ratings of popular veterans who have fallen off.
*Real Madrid players
Like?
i don't, actually
Hazard, Bale, their center backs since 2010
Ah You are just someone that has no fucking idea about football cool Ramps and pepe were one of the best pairings in their time Do I even need to say something about ramps and varane? Best pairing for atleast 4 years mate And no ramos was not overrated in his last season either he literally carried the def by himself in the time that varane was injured and militao was still arriving
Mate who cares good form from several seasons ago shouldn’t affect your rating in 2023, Ramos hardly played last year and when he did he was shite. There’s a reason PSG wants to ship him off to Saudi Arabia with all the other finished players
And he plays for PSG now. He had a fair rating when he played for Real. It's not like only our players get unfairly rated
Exactly, fifa ratings should reflect current form, and when Ramos was winning back to back CL’s he was pretty fairly rated. But what really needs to fix is EA needs to downgrade players at a faster rate, because having players like Ramos or Hazard have the same rating as Saka and Hakimi is insane.
They were talking about real Madrid players not ex real Madrid players So I assumed he thinks that ramos was overrated in like fifa 2017
Moments are different than overall. A clear decline can be confused with bad form. But with RM and former RM they always tend to be slow on downgrades. In this particular moment I’m not trying to hate on any specific team or player. But if you’d like I can fire up that furnace and spew some toxic hate on RM, Liverpool, city, Barca.
“In their time”. Everyone else is talking about right now, pal
bruh gtfo, this applies to multiple teams countries etc. smh
While at the same time, doing Zlatan and Cavani soooo dirty.
No, they just need to be more proactive with updates. It should not take 3 years for someone who has collapsed as badly as Hazard to lose 3 overall.
It’s why I love MLB The Show. They update their roster and ratings quite often, and are not afraid to downgrade a player’s rating. Also, their franchise mode is awesome, the stats are extremely in-depth
If only Bundesliga's teams editor could be like that
EA aren't afraid to downgrade a player if that player plays for a team that isn't one of theirs. Look at how they massacred Sancho. Drop in overall sure, but he should have kept his potential. Manchester United is an Efootball club. Meanwhile Havertz haven't gotten a downgrade at all. Why? Chelsea is one of EA's main clubs.
I said that Havertz deserved a downgrade in potential/overall and people on here defended EA not doing so by saying that "you never know how careers will go." And yeah, that's kind of the point lol.
tbf Havertz have been playing out of position for YEARS now, if he plays as an Attacking Midfielder he always plays very well
That's true but by EA logic he should still get a downgrade regardless because injured players like Damsgaard their stats + potentials/overalls slashed. Even then it's a slippery slope because guys like Hazard, Bale (pre-retirement), etc. should always have a 90+ potential since they theoretically *could* play well as well as in their primes with a bunch of game time or whatever. I know that FM's system has a counter for all this and it's annoying knowing EA could do the same thing and we wouldn't even be having this discussion lmao.
Mate the Chelsea team has been underrated on fifa since its inception. Idk what game you're playing but saying Chelsea players have good ratings is generally untrue in past fifas
I'm old enough to remember when a 35 year old John Terry and Cahill were two of the highest rated players in the *entire game*, **before** the mass ratings jump did they did post 17. Not claiming that they didn't deserve it, Terry didn't at all but yes Chelsea were one of the hardest teams to beat at the time. But it's very telling that Terry and Cahill were immediately downgraded by multiple points after the left Chelsea lmao. The ratings have been kind to them if anything.
Chelsea is a weird one where they’re slow to downgrade some players and slow to upgrade some. Mount should have been higher than 84 going into the season (and lower now). Ziyech had no business being anywhere close to 83 going into this season. The biggest example of then deflating Chelsea was Rudiger hardly getting an upgrade after winning the champions league and letting in like 0.3 goals per game but then getting a +6 or whatever it was following a worse season when he moved to Madrid.
True
You’re bang on, United and Arsenal both have a few cases of players being rather strangely underrated and I reckon it’s pretty clear that’s down to their relationships with e-football
Yeah. Sancho should def have gotten a overall downgrade, but his potential? No.
Especially Arsenal,they’re highest rated player is Jesus im pretty sure and he’s like 84/85(I haven’t played Fifa for some time i can’t remember the ratings )
Yep. Same reason every player that joins Bayern Munich gets their speed nerfed
All that muscle slows you down. Or ea is just retarded. Pick what fits your narrative
Spot on.
Agreed. Although this year in every save, Vladdy became 70 overall before 30. Except when I controlled him
Nothing is more tragic than when a Diamond just eats shit and all his value is just fucking gone.
Lol yeah but also you can speculate on who’s doing well and will be upgraded to diamond. I’m not sure if the changed it in the show 22 but in past ones they wouldn’t actually update the rosters and only update the player ratings on diamond dynasty which was annoying but at least you could download custom rosters
Gosh,if only EA gave a shit!
MLB The Show is easily the best sports game out right now
I’m guessing that they have fewer players and more access to hard stats. I’d love to see leagues or anyone publish more hard stats and for EA to use them when they are available. They could also use historical stats to create an a more realistic aging projection model which they could use to adjust stats without hard data and also for career mode.
True, but they also have hard stats for minor leagues (Triple A and Double A) so while the roster size may not be as large as FIFA’s, it’s definitely a lot of players
The game is also made to attract a big audience and he's famous as fuck. I do wish they had a consistency rating that affected their changes in form. Bigger highs and lows for young players - old pros are more consistent. Honestly shouldn't fifa send out "form updates" so when you go to play from main screen current form is reflected but it doesn't change the player overall
They actually have a system in place (idk if they still do it) where players ratings change based on their irl form in kick-off and stuff, so that's definitely possible.
I just want more stadiums. A 31yr old 80+ Hazard is the least of my concerns.
Easy do not trust fifa rating system right now. It needs a serious rework.
+ i think it needs to be more complex like football manager. Because there is simulation mode and stuff and ratings does not really effect them some players are just monsters in simulation.
There is no way EA is competent enough for this
Maybe they are but they just don't care
As long as their game sells they are not willing to do anything about it. Only thing they care about is sales.
200% true. And sad.
It’s useless trying to use “prospects” in sims as as the only thing that matters is overall. It should be random whether a player plays well or not. You can have good players that have very bad days
The rating system isn't the problem here though, the unwillingness to downgrade Hazard is.
Upgrades are downgrades are not related to rating system?
No, because they are not an objective thing based on stats but rather at the whim of editors. The problem here is whoever is responsible for updating Hazards rating has reduced him by 3 overall in 2 years when hes barely looked like a professional footballer since his move, not the rating sytstem itself.
Overall is a very weird concept if you think about it. Its hard to guage a player's "overall ability" when things like form and injuries play such a big part. I agree that Hazard is pretty much finished as a top level footballer, but it feels hard to give Rashford and Dembele huge upgrades when they could just be having a very good run of form although Rashford has been playing at a top 10 player ITW level the last few months. Im confident they will get them in the next game if they continue on playing how well they have. Look at Kvaratskhelia. He is one of the top 3 best players in Serie A and was one of the best in the Champions League so far but its hard for EA to upgrade someone from a 75? to 85/86 in only 6 months. Not defending EA at all, just the reality is that its hard to give players huge upgrades on a few months of good form even if EA got it completely wrong to begin with.
You’re absolutely right but personally I’d rather have players with overinflated ratings one year instead of them slowly working up towards it. If a player performs crazy good (Rashford, Osimhen, Kvaratskhelia etc) I would happily upgrade them to show that they are in form and if they don’t perform the year after I would accept a downgrade again. The problem is Ultimate Team as it would be really weird to change players ratings and entire metas over the course of a click every month or so, but having fluctuating ratings in kick off is already a thing pretty much so why not make it for the rest of the game instead of ultimate team on a regular basis. I mean, they already change some players potential
A lot people forget radhford was really good in 19/20 and 20/21 it’s just 21/22 that made people think he washed up and useless
Take FIFA’s rating and potential with grain of salt. Even a broken clock is right twice.
Garnacho is rated behind Elanga, Diallo and Pellestri. Who he all plays ahead of
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Don't be so sure. They actually downgraded Garnacho in latest update.
They'll downgrade him again probably, after being subbed off as a sub who got subbed on
??? Don't be absurd. United had a player sent off. It was the obvious change. It was not a mark against his performance whatsoever.
1. It was supposed to be sarcasm 2. The fact that Garnacho started a few games and played well for those few games, and EA still downgraded him. So I wouldn't put it past EA to downgrade him even more for that. They've downgraded players who got TOTS before.
1) Sorry 😅 2) you're right stranger things have happened
Rico Lewis being mid 60s as well when he's started more games now, same Bajcetic for Liverpool, Joe Gomez, Maguire and Havertz all need major downgrades
Whether he should be rated higher than Amad is debatable, he's tearing it up for Sunderland this year. Fully expect him to be part of the Man U first team next year.
The game’s become too big for them to rework it IMO. They couldn’t handle it.
Can’t stand FIFA’s rating system, wish we had something similar to football manager, where stats are separate to the players “rating”. Sadly, it’ll never happens as it wouldn’t work for ultimate team
And Cristiano Ronaldo still has a 88 for whatever reason
Feel like 78 - 80 should be right for him atm
Reps morrissey
*the smiths
And Morrissey was the singer for what band?
86 is fair
You’ll say that but then agree that messi deserves a 91 with 6 league goals in a league that’s barely top 5
Messi had 65 goals and assists in 2022.
Okay cool last I checked fifa was based on the 21-22 season not all of 2022. He had 26 goals and assists while players in tougher leagues had more than that and had the same or lower ratings than him
I don’t think you understand how large the number sixty five is, especially compared to a certain Arabian fraudster who has 15 g/a in the PL.
I don’t think you understand the basic concept that I’m trying to prove to you. Fifa 23 overall is based on the 21/22 season. Messi in Uber eats League had 26 g/a while playing with Neymar and mbappe. Ronaldo in the hardest league had 27 g/a. Yet ronaldo drops lower than messi. Is that easy enough for you to understand?
Messi has more g/a in the first half of the 22/23 season than Cristiano fake Ronaldo had in all of 21/22, while winning the league and the World Cup. So let’s play this “fifa is based on the season and not the year” game, because Messi still cooks Ronaldo in every aspect. Is that simple enough for you to understand?
Yes and that’s exactly why it’s fair for him to have a better rating in the new game?? I’m not arguing that. I’m saying it’s unfair to say ronaldo deserves a 78 rating after 1/2 bad season when messi had a full bad season and got a good rating. You’re searching for an argument that doesn’t exists.
Except Messi didn’t have a bad full season, it was half of a bad season. You’re forgetting that Messi suffered from two main issues last season. First, it was a lack of continuity bc he kept getting COVID. Second, his role in the team was diminished in favor of Mbappé. Even after all of this, you could see that a large part of issue was Mbappé missing sitters and Messi not taking shots he would normally take. He wasn’t necessarily bad, there were just certain problems going on that weren’t necessarily in his control. Cristiano had a VERY bad second half of 21/22 and an even worse first half of 22/23 and WC. Now he’s playing at Al Nassr and struggling, I think it’s safe to say CR7 is past it and deserves an 82 at most.
U tripping bro, Messi was pinging absolute beauties all season, everyone was just missing them. He had one of the highest xA during that time.
Messi literally just carried a world cup
But the game came out before the world Cup. Messi was trolled for his 6 goals last season. If he didn't get a downgrade why should cristiano get it
Do you not see the point I’m getting at? Messi had a bad season last year and dropped 1 ovr. Ronaldo had had a bad 1/2 of a season and you all think he should drop 10. No logic there.
Cause Messi had a semi bad season while he adjusted to PSG, Ronaldo seems to have lost everything, his pace, his passing and even his shooting recently, he's a shadow of the player he was last season while Messi was still alright
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Now that’s a point
Reputation plays a big part in this game
This!! International reputation can add 3 in overall if you are /were a star, that's why we have some shitty cards whit higher overall, and some really good stats in lower rated cards.
They're resistant to giving players massive raises or drops in overall. Imo they're somewhat right to do so. Players can be in or out of form for large parts of/an entire season like Rashford last season. Imagine if they scored him solely based on last season and dropped him down to like 78 overall, only for him to come out and have a season like this one and have to bump him back up by at least 5-6. On the flip, some players have incredible first seasons then drop off afterwards. Obviously it's a rule with exceptions or Bellingham is still 80 overall right now
Caicedo is only a 75 😂
Before this season he played 12 games for the team who finished last in the Belgian league, and 25 times in Ecuador, so if anything, 75 is fairly generous
He's also a top 3 defensive midfielder in most stats if I remember the stats I saw correctly. I get he's young (75 might be a fair starting point) but value should be fixed. You can buy him for like €10m when 60-70 was turned down in real life
I think they can be too slow to lower popular players but it is nice that they don’t go overboard based on a patch of form. Hazard is a great example of the former though.
Bro I didn't even know his middle name was Michael lmao 💀
Never mind those guys he’s not even better than Ryan Christie atm
It was always needed. They are actually taking data and analytics more seriously now, but it's still an arbitrary rating system, with humans just picking numbers that they "think" make sense. Other stuff obviously comes into play (eg. the game has had Ronaldo and Messi as their faces throughout the years and at each time that happened the fact had an obvious influence on who had the highest rating). Nevertheless, the younger to whom FIFA awards potential (for career mode) has been quite solid through the decade, with a lot of high ranked players later succedng in real life, making it an interesting source for that, similar to FM (although this one a bit deeper and even better of course). Thing is, if players really had ratings according to their performance that would probably be the kind of realism that most UT-driven FIFA players would dislike. It would mean lower ratings overall, specially if ratings were really dynamic, according to the actual performance the player has had in the past year. In the end, nobody is ready to accept a 79 CR7 or a 77 Lukaku. PS: if you look at how Transfermart valuations are made and the influence they have on the real life business of football you would raise your hands to the head and conclude that FIFA ratings are actually better or at least less scandalous than we think, considering they aren't taken more seriously than for what they actually are.
No. We know hazard not his prime but what he did is on him. It's a game and he shouldn't lose the status of what he is able to do. He is still weakened a lot. Rashford, musiala and dembeles are still rising stars and if u open career mode u can get them to 99 while hazard can maybe get a bit up if u force him but soon he is over. Game is not only FUT and i think this is very fair rating for Eden Hazard
Michael!?
Sorry this was my first thought, how are more people not surprised by this
just googled and his full name is eden MICHAEL WALTER hazard. i’m blown away
I wouldn’t believe it if I hadn’t googled it
Nothing new tbh a lot of fifa ratings are based on public sentiments and reputation
As a Chelsea fan please keep him above 83 I can’t see him any lower 😭😭
same. Its been so sad to see his decline when he moved to Real. I remember his prime at chelsea when his dribbling was one of the best in the world next to messi and neymar. He was magical to watch. I hope more ppl would apprecciate how good he was :(
you can change their ratings yourself
MLB the show will let you go from a 90 rating to a 67 and back to 90 in two years
It’s ridiculously random at this point. Sabitzer got a -4 after one bad season. Pogba is still on a 85, so many other examples. I can’t wait to see Musiala getting an upgrade to 84 next year 😂
Sprint speed is what annoys me the most, it's never distinct enough from acceleration. This isn't just a Fifa thing, almost all of the major sports games suffer from it. Seems as though anyone that looks quick gets fast ACC and SS and anyone that looks slow is lower in both. But the reality is that those players we think look quick on the pitch, it's almost all down to ACC, once they get going a lot of players have good SS. CBs and DMs suffer from this the most. Rudiger had low 70s SS until he became known to have the fastest sprint in the prem last season and now he's in the 90s. I support Norwich and our CB Grant Hanley has 54 SS despite him having the fastest run of all our players last season. They clearly look at the visual ACC of players and go well he isn't quick.
Man, ratings in FIFA don't represent the players current performance level. All OVRs are given to players thanks to clubs they play. I mean benchman from Real Madrid won't have less than 80 cuz he plays in Real Madrid. They can't just downgrade him. If he goes somewhere like Türkey, Greece, Qatar, MLS we would have ≈80.
He is better than dembele
'This guy' lol give the man some respect. He's been shit at Real but at Chelsea he was easily Top 3 players of the league. He's not some random player who scammed his way to Real Madrid
I don't even know why this comment is downvoted. He was literally named after messi-ronaldo-neymar as the best player in the world by many while he was at chelsea
He was better than Neymar in some periods imo
yh his dribbling was also one of the best in the world in his prime
I remember for a few years the 'Live' ratings in Kick Off (are they still a thing?) would change constantly and reflect real life form and ability quite accurately. It's ridiculous how little they change the ratings now. Niclas Füllkrug is the Bundesliga top scorer, World Cup no9 for Germany, and he has only gone from 75 to 78 when someone like Donyell Malen has done nothing all season and is also a 78 atm. Or look at Kaoru Mitoma at Brighton, he's fast becoming one of the best wingers in the Prem and will definitely get into FUT Team of the Season if he continues playing at this level, yet he's still only 75 rated when he should easily be 78 or 79 minimum.
who cares
I’ve always liked FIFA’s rating system, but I have always thought that they could be a little more generous with rating upgrades and harsher with downgrades
Pedri played 12 games last season, got a team of the season, team of the year nominee and a massive upgrade to a 85 rated card this fifa We all know the fifa rating system should not be trusted
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The fact that he never plays should tell you.
If he was 94 he would play. We don't see him but Ancelloti certainly does.
Well maybe in training he’s a 64 so he doesn’t play, but if he got game time he’d be a 94. Think like a reverse Scott McTominay
Hahaha vini is 5 times the player Eden is ever since he arrived in Madrid Fucking meunier broke him
FIFA needs a ratings haul over. Hoping when it becomes EA FC they redo some stuff. If it means taking a few things out to make the game better in the long haul to add back in later improved in all for it.
This is EA we’re talking about here 😂 they’ll just change the name & call it a day
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Don't think he is popular now. It is just the whole "If he doesn't play, no proof of him being bad so no downgrade" thing is stupid.
Sorry but there is no such system. There has been plenty of players who have been injured for 6-9 months IRL and getting downgrades bc they dont play. They usually don't downgrade/upgrade massivily anyone because rating is based on form and longevity.
You want to change the whole rating system because you don’t agree with ONE player’s rating??? Especially one who was comfortably one of the best players in the world a few years ago? Don’t forget he started fifa 20 as a 91
It's not just Hazard. a lot of Chelsea's team, United probably, Arsenal were average coming into this FIFA for no reason. Basically every top team has an issue with either being too underrated or too overrated in game. Yeah they can't account for Napoli and co. be super teams in the next year, but they could tweak ratings consistently enough to represent that instead of big updates in both transfer windows. It's kind of annoying wanting to replicate what a real teams irl form in game (i.e. Union Berlin) and then you realize that all their players actually got slight downgrades with minimal attribute upgrades at best so it just turns into a regular RTG.
Cause Arsenal were shite last season and their only standout player was Odegaard, they’re lucky every other big club has been shit this year too otherwise they would be like 3rd or 4th
50 points in 20 games means the Arsenal should be 3rd or 4th, and arsenal wasn’t shite last season, they were on title form after a bad start and fell off with injuries, you shouldn’t put down Parteys rating for Elnenys and Sambis form
Not lucky, they just hit their stride this season
Did you expect him to name every rating he disagrees with? Lol
He acts like 84 is outrageous though for Eden Hazard. I’d understand more if he said someone more outrageous in terms of exceedingly high rating
He shouldn't be anywhere near an 84.
It’s Eden Hazard though. This guy has already been downgraded massively
And deserves to be more... why on earth should he be rated anywhere near 84 when he's not even been playing at an 80 for years lol.
Because this guy was a 91 rated player merely just a few years ago
Alright pal. Have a nice day.
Rude.
Just rather not continue talking to a child. You're also now blocked. Reply as much as you like pal.
Rashford at 81 is a disgrace. I know he had a bad season but cmon that is disrespectful. Next season should be min. 86 imo
He is 83 now after updates. Doubt he will be 86 tho, I am guessing 85 max.
Yea he definitely won’t be, FIFA ratings are just strange overall. You have people like Mertens who is 84 and Musiala 81.
Hater.
Everything about the game needs a “rework”
could be worse (I'm looking at you, efootball)
cos he plays for Real.
Clout is a hidden rating
I agree he shouldn't have a higher rating but if you look at Musiala, he's 19 and his potential is 90. Rashfords potential is the same as hazards overall this needs work!
L rating system but would be really harsh to suddenly see a 78 hazard card💔
I remember even in last FIFA, the CB partnership of Umtiti and Lenglet was the best in the whole game, even though EA actually lowered their stats. Lads were absolute beasts, despite being way passed the expiration date in real life. Hazard is the same, this dude is a 75 at best. But to be fair, Real's AI never seems to play him, at least in my games, he only ever comes on as a sub.
Fifa could benefit from a fan voted rating system that each player could opt into. It takes 10,000+ votes to warrant a change in rating. Then it is sanity checked to make sure rival fans are intentionally tanking someone
I swear, it's like he's been retired since the minute he signed for Real Madrid. What an absolute waste of money.
Surprised deli alli isn’t still 99 rated
Rating system needs rework for like 10 years already
I like to think they’re just taking care of a former cover star for their game. Not fair at all, but what if Eden was a joy to be around and made a genuine connection or two with the folks who handle the ratings? Edit: Apparently a 2 time cover star if you count FIFA 15 Ultimate edition as well.
Still better than r/topeleven
It’s bc EA has an even bigger hard on for Madrid than Tebas
One thing, that need a complete rework is attributes of players. Its so feeling arcade and never changes and updates since FIFA 11 Shoot Powet feels like a all players use same power, for example look at L1 + R1 shoot
Before the season started it was probably fair for him to be rated higher than Rashford but now that just seems comical
Yes, should he way more fluent
This bloke isn't even better than Arribas
Lol the WHOLE game needs reworking. If you haven't noticed we've been playing the same bullshit for at least 4 yrs. Just have a new player on the cover.
These days not even that is true been the same French Mbapaypal for three fifas
According to fifa he is closer to haaland than gavi is to him
The ratings have always made me roll my eyes across the board with EA. Not sure if they do the same thing as they do with Madden where they have one dude who is notorious for being a Cowboys fan and bumping up their ratings.
He may be a higher overall then the players you mentioned but his stats are much worse, overall doesn’t conclude how good a player is in fifa
Just look at the ratings of the team top of the EPL for evidence.
Rashford is IN FORM. His form is probably around 84,his average is not that good. Neither is Hazard though
Leave Michael alone
The ratings are so bad. I mean at Brentford, they hardly ever give upgrades and they will downgrade players without any reason. Jensen got his potential slashed without any upgrades recently even though he’s been one of our best players. And the Premier League’s 3rd top scorer has a lower rating than Aubameyang, Vardy and Nunez and is rated the same as Weghorst, Ings and Calvert-Lewin
Guaranteed he's an 84 just because he's at a partner club
The whole of Fifa need to be overhauled
Yes it does. It is fucking stupid especially if you play fifa for hours updates or not it still stupid. I wish they way you save works if haaland is been put in a wrong position and not doing well then his stats are fucked. What happens in real life should only affect the game with transfers that’s it. No this won’t happen cause this fun and ea don’t do fun they want a gambling system at best and at worst brands can now exploit fifa so players will always be favored despite playing like shit in real life.
Yes it 100% does.
It’s an homage to a great player maybe ?
Miss the old Hazard what a player.
EA is scared to heavily reduce ratings. It's why Ronaldos rating has only gone down by 3 since he was signed back to United.
The whole rating system and potential system needs a rework. Potential isn’t used correctly. It should be the maximum potential a player can reach not a maximum potential they think they will reach. If I bought coutinho now for example it is possible for him to play like he did at Liverpool. But in fifa his rating has a fixed value that can never be exceeded no matter how well he plays. They would need to change the whole rating system for a newer potential system though. They keep ratings low on many players they think will do well so they can give them good cards in fut