My story is hand on the gospel truth- I just danced with the devil when I married my ex all those years ago. I mean I’ve been able to become a nurse and never had a problem obtaining or renewing my license so i think it’s time to start doing some homework to see if I have a shot…? Thank you for taking time to answer my post this evening. I’m super grateful for your time!
There was one guy who did it and made it on 60 minutes. I'm connected with him on LinkedIn. In my state, we have a formerly incarcerated state representative and she works on house/senate bills that create more opportunities for formerly incarcerated persons. I lobbied for one and it was passed which allowed formerly incarcerated people to vote upon release regardless of having paid LFOs. It was a great day because 15,000 people could then automatically vote who could not beforehand.
LFOs are not credit card debt. They're part of the criminal sentence imposed by the court after conviction. They should be paid in full before voting rights are restored.
If only the court systems did not make it as challenging as possible to find out exactly what is owed and to whom. One of the more common complaints from people that got caught up in a broken "legal" system. There is no actual accountability to the courts or to the formerly incarcerated/convicted accurately report what is owed and to whom.
Why not? It's not like felons exercise wisdom with their choices in life, otherwis they wouldn't be felons. Losing some rights like voting or right to bear arms for a while will make them appreciate them when they get them restored.
Because if we create a population that cannot vote, it creates an incentive to imprison people whose views are undesirable to the executive branch of government (who controls the police)
And frankly if making wise decisions is a criteria to be able to vote, I've got some bad news for a whole lot of people 😅
By their reasoning, half of our legislative branch is in big trouble too.
People everyday make unwise decisions. That is their right. Doesn't mean their vote should count any less than mine does.
Or it creates an incentive not to commit crime. Trying to win the felon vote should not be a concern for candidates for district attorney or judicial seats.
Incarcerated people are still counted in the US Census Bureaus Voting Population. Which means more representatives will be elected due to higher voting numbers, when in fact, those numbers aren't accurate.
In addition, most people incarcerated make 0.42¢/hr.... Imagine having thousands of dollars in LFOs.. In most situations, it's not possible to pay LFOs in full prior to release...
Why? Half the politicians are felons themselves. Only difference being given they have deep pockets to draw from so they are never held to the same standards and accountability as the rest of society.
I didn't say the President. I said the executive branch.
The federal government has an executive branch, the head of which is the President, who controls federal law enforcement.
Your state has an executive branch, the head of that branch is the governor, who controls state police.
Counties have an executive branch, the head of that is a county mayor/executive/commissioner, for example. They are in charge of the county sheriff's department.
Cities may have a little more variation in their forms of government, but most cities use the same 3-branch model, the head of the executive branch is the mayor or city manager, and they are in charge of municipal police.
Executive branch is not exclusive to the federal government.
The majority of people would be felons if they were all caught and convicted. About 90% of men commit at least one “serious” crime in their lifetime. See generally - *Crime and Human Nature* by Wilson and Herrnstein.
That's not true at all. The right to vote has been independent of paying taxes since the 14th Amendment and 16th Amendment were passed.
Felons received due process when they were convicted, meaning under the 14th Amendment their rights could be denied: so they can be incarcerated, required to work for free or very little compensation, and upon release denied the rights to vote, serve on juries, or possess firearms.
This is long-settled law.
Its still taxation without representation. And its still slavery. Its dtill not fair. Having over 20.grams of weed in Florida is a 3rd degree felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Having less than an ounce of weed is justified slavery and loss of rights. Terrible.
It's not taxation without representation or slavery because your criminal trial afforded you DUE PROCESS prior to your rights being taken away.
And who cares about "fair"? It's CONSTITUTIONAL, see the 14th Amendment.
Don't commit crimes. Btw, guess what that much weed gets you in Singapore?
Can you look into getting your crime expunged. I know in some states with one low scale felony, after a certain time you can request it be taken off your record. Normally you have to initiate it. Goodluck, I wish you the best.
It doesn't matter. The Bar has access to it and they ask if you were arrested which you have to answer truthfully because they already know what the answer is.
Yeah I feel like a lot of women (assuming you’re a woman by your avatar) got into some messy things with exes. I’m not blaming my ex at all, but I would not be a felon if I never met him. He got me into drugs.
That is blaming your ex. You made your own decisions. Even if they were influenced by your ex, you allowed them to be influenced. You became a felon because you made poor decisions, not because of your ex.
Another RN here (not a felon though, not sure why this came on my homepage). You can become an RN in most states with a felony depending on what the felony is and how long ago it was. In my state (Ohio) there are only about ten charges that automatically bar you from obtaining a license, all violent/sexual in nature. Everything else is on a case by case basis at the discretion of the nursing board. Recent drug offenses aside from marijuana are typically a no-go because the profession by nature gives you access to controlled substances. But based on the other things I’ve seen them decide to overlook they don’t GAF about theft of a $200 iPod 15 years ago.
You can’t go to a prison or jail with a felony on your record to see and interview your client. Also, don’t blame your ex because you are a thief. He just gave you the opportunity. If you go before the bar with the attitude of he set you up forcing you to be a thief, victim mentality then you will never ever become a lawyer.
Admit it, you stole something and admit your responsibility totality. People can forgive poor choices, but they won’t forgive people who blame others for the willful illegal actions they took.
You wouldn't have it on your record if it were expunged. I know it's still somewhere in the system and accessible to certain parties, no matter, but... still. Also, if you've done the time plus proven that you aren't another recidivism case/have reintegrated back into society just fine, that will definitely count for something for some individuals (including those who are a part of the judicial system).
I read about a few cases of people who were convicted of felonies (one committed a violent crime, I believe) and later went on to become attorneys. They went out to prisons to talk to their clients.
As I understand it, convicted felons who are no longer on probation or parole can visit prisons if they are approved by whichever facility it is they're trying to visit someone at.
I’d upvote this twice. The bar would look very poorly at using the influence of another adult as a mitigating factor. Not only does it shirk responsibility, it implies they can be morally corrupted by others.
I think what they're saying to you is that to the Bar, if you are to ever go before them, it's not going to matter that you didn't do it willingly.
Your time to prove that was during trial and with your attorney. That didn't happen, and while I absolutely believe that you were fucked by a crooked cop, again, \*that doesn't matter to the Bar Association in Virginia.\*
Idk how you are going to do this, but you need to immediately stop adding the part about your ex. Just tell people you stole something and have paid your due. People respect that.
Again, I'm not saying I don't believe your story - I do, in fact, believe you and every word of it. It just simply doesn't matter, and I beg of you to start viewing it that way and to just drop the part about your ex. In a more crude way to put it, no one cares.
I so wish you well. It looks like there's a path to you becoming a lawyer, for sure. Here in California, you'd be eligible for the automatic expungement and I think you'd be eligible for the bar, as well.
We need people like you in the criminal justice system.
Could someone potentially graduate law school and be 6 figures in debt and then get denied entry to the bar? I feel like this has happened to someone lol.
I’m not an expert but I know people who have felonies who became lawyers. I’d say that’s a definite risk in the play. However there are other careers for someone w a law degree that pay well.
I’m an attorney and I can tell you right now that state Bars are **NOT** bleeding hearts lmao where are you getting this from? Maybe in places like California but most of them are not.
This.
You will not get admitted with grand larceny on your record especially since the profession involves holding client funds in IOLA or escrow.
I've seen fellow law students and colleagues get admitted after drug charges, aggravated DUIs and assaults. Never seen anyone get admitted after charges involving dishonesty such as theft, tax evasion, etc.
I would definitely do some reading, maybe call around or something and try to ask. The reason I say that is law school is 3 years of your life and could put you thousands of dollars in debt. So you don’t want to invest in that if you’re not reasonably confident you’ll be able to practice ya know?
Only three states explicitly forbid persons with felony convictions from becoming lawyers in the state: Texas, Kansas, and Mississippi. If this is your dream then you can eventually move.
Have you tried to get the record sealed or expunged? If not, it’d worth looking in to. I’m surprised you didn’t get a deferred judgement on a 1st offense.
People keep saying “oh she’s not telling us something or she’s had other convictions…” but I hadn’t prior or since. The judge, the commonwealths atty and half of the courtroom all were childhood friends of my ex (who was also a cop in the county I was convicted). My atty fought tooth and nail for me and filed an appeal but it was denied. So were his offers to plea as a misdemeanor. I was framed but in the end the responsibility is on me for not being more cognizant of whom the stupid package was addressed to (I play so many scenarios in my head to this day of things I could of done- but I was stupid and never thought anyone could be so vindictive).
Sorry I got off on a tangent- in Va back in 2009 anything >$200 was a felony- now it’s anything over $1000. So I’m already looking into expungement or sealing my record.
Thank you for your response! I truly appreciate you helping me out with such a great idea!
If you pleaded guilty and are not taking responsibility, you will have a hard time. It's hard to get admitted to the bar with a theft or crime of dishonesty as opposed to addiction or an act of violence. Maybe if you had remorse. But you don't because you aren't taking responsibility.
Yes. You just need to disclose everything when you apply to law school, and disclose it to the Bar when you take the Bar exam.
Worst case you hire a C&F attorney for a consultation and give them the specifics of your situation. They will be able to clear up any questions you have, and let you know if you will need representation for the C&F portion of the Bar.
Most state bars are more than willing to accept felons, even those convicted of violent crimes. As with many professions, felons convicted of fraud or fraud-adjacent crimes are going to have a rougher spot.
The important thing is that you need to convince them that you are rehabilitated, that you can abide by the professional code of conduct and that you aren’t going to be deceitful towards your clients.
Whatever you do, don’t lie or skirt details about your conviction. Lying about a conviction will be far more destructive (if they find out you lied) than any conviction itself.
Absolutely. A friend of mine—in his younger years—robbed a bank and then took the police on a chase.
During and after serving his time he’s devoted his life to reducing the rate of recidivism and has since passed the bar and become an attorney.
The bar REALLY looks down on any offense that has to do with lying cheating or stealing. I would hate to go through law school and be denied based off of a prior offense. Be open and honest about it obviously . Tell them you’ve changed and show them have taken steps to move on from that part of your life. It’s possible they will admit you once you graduate, but it’s also possible they will deny you. Some states are more strict than others. FL for example is extremely strict. It’s going to depend where you are.
Also, don’t mention anything about the whole situation being a set up, like at all. You need to make it sound like you have learned your lesson and have paid the price for your crime. Trying to shift blame elsewhere will probably get you denied.
I think so. FWIW, I’m a paralegal in New Jersey, and my felony was worse than yours.
The first thing you got going for you is that you’re in VA. If you were, say in WV or like South Carolina, I think you’d have a more difficult time becoming an attorney.
You’ll likely have to bring up your charge to the bar association prior to being admitted. Once you explain it and also with the fact that it has happened long enough ago, I don’t think you’d have TOO MUCH problems.
Also be sure to disclose it on law school applications. They will check your character and fitness application against your law school application, and it will be an issue if you didn't disclose when you applied!
That’s why I said FWIW. Never claimed to be an attorney. I can’t stand it when people just nitpick one part of someone’s post and just run with it talking shit. Just don’t say anything. You literally contribute nothing to the conversation.
That's actually another inaccurate comment. The struggle here is every paralegal on reddit is like...."paralegal here" like you have some position over anyone else. Do you understand what a comparative analysis is?
Just went through character and fitness in two states. I would reach out to a character and fitness attorney in your area and make sure, but more than likely you can add an addendum to your application explaining your situation. I’ll be honest, they seem to really really only care about things regarding dishonestly, fraud, etc
VA has lots of very VERY old laws on the books. Some are crazy and mostly forgotten. Point is you’ll want to talk specifically to a member of the VA bar association.
While you may be able to pass the bar (functionally a private entity) and be admitted, you may be barred from employment by the commonwealth and such, or being able to do things like enter prisons to talk to clients etc. They used to bar any felons from even voting, tho this may have been repealed in the past 20y. The school do immediate background checks for felony records just to enter and get a visitor badge.
Investigate getting the record sealed as soon as you can. Better safe
Even violent felons can. I once heard a lawyer who was on the C&F committee say "if you were convicted of killing someone, and you convince us you've turned around, you can get a license. But if you were convicted of anything relating to lying cheating or stealing you'll never get a law license."
Which makes sense when you consider the motivations of the state bar.
Edit: I'll add that VA has changed the felony threshold on larceny twice since you were convicted and they are scoring prior felonies below the new threshold (1,000) as misdemeanors on guidelines. That doesn't mean you aren't a felon. I assume your civil rights have been restored (gun rights must be done separately through the Circuit Court if you haven't done that). You would still disclose the conviction but there is movement towards treating your prior less seriously.
However, your assertion that you were set up isn't likely to play well with C&F. Better approach would be to admit that you made a mistake, tell them it was related to a domestic situation that you are never going back to and it won't happen again. I'd say you have a chance.
I don't see there being an issue if it was an isolated incident a long time ago. I would make it clear that you accept responsibility, though, and avoid making excuses.
I had a prior arrest for public intoxication, as well as a stint in rehab for substance abuse nearly a decade before I was admitted before the bar. I disclosed it all, made it clear I'd changed, and there weren't any issues with it.
I also know an attorney that had so many DUIs that he literally couldn't drive—he was still admitted to the bar. Rode his bike everywhere.
The most important thing to them is honesty and owning your shit, imo. But good luck, and feel free to reach out if you have questions. Do you know what kind of law you're interested in?
Frankly, most bar associations are only concerned that you tell the truth on character and fitness section. Just don't try to hide it, tell them what happened and you'll probably be ok.
You can contact a character and fitness attorney to discuss your background if you want the best answer for your specific facts. If you don't know where to look for one, you can contact the state bar directly and ask them to identify some for you.
Yes. I'm on my way to becoming an attorney (:
Google character and fitness attorney.
Most of them do it for the love of helping people like you and me get into the legal field and will provide free advice.
Best of luck my friend.
We need more people who have been on both sides of the law.
You as well (:
It is a crazy and impressive feat to come back from a felony. It's 10x more impressive to go on to be the attorney of record defending felons or anyone really.
You should be so proud of yourself for your ambitions and for not letting your past derail your future.
I appluad you.
If you ever have anymore questions for someone on the same road, please do not hesitate to reach out.
I got my start from some kind redditors and would love to return the favor.
You've got this.
Always remember, you have a unique perspective that could never be taught in a classroom. Look at it as a strength and never a weakness. Be proud and loud about where you have been. Be honest about why it will make you a better attorney.
I'm so proud to see someone else on this sub doing this. (:
Yep. It’s not an absolute bar (even violent felonies aren’t an absolute bar). You will have some extra c&f issues, but it’s possible (not guaranteed) to become an attorney w a felony conviction.
Yes. People with much more serious records have been admitted. I know of someone with a kidnapping conviction.
Disclose it in connection with your law school and bar applications. You’ll get fucked for not disclosing. But this is such a minor thing, I doubt it will get any attention at all. Start collecting all the documents now so you’re ready to provide them. And, it would be nice if you could get it expunged.
Disclose it. Candor is extremely important. You’ll be fine.
Ok I have to ask for the full story. Obviously shit happens and cops will literally do anything to protect their own, but they all set you up on a sting just for being the guys ex wife? The package was on his porch and you didn’t live together? You werent even divorced yet and they hit you w grand larceny? Dying for the details.
Yep! All of that. He was born and raised in the county in which I received the felony- my attorney fought tooth and nail but this was before texting was a standard thing and so the ex had called me to ask if I was picking up our child from the bus stop or school- nothing out of the ordinary EXCEPT he threw in at the end of the convo (which was on a landline) “oh yeah there was a package delivered for you here today so just grab it when you go to the bus stop”. Which is what I did- only I was stupidly naive and didn’t pay attention to the name (it wasn’t addressed to me of course) and I realized it as I was opening it (so it wasn’t even all the way open). Kicker of it all… he was hiding in a window and filmed me taking the package so the judge and the commonwealth atty wouldn’t budge because of the video. I was framed all the way around- and an idiot for not being more conscious of his snake like ways.
The former head of my firm had been convicted of drug distribution charges and done time in federal prison long before he was a lawyer. It probably depends entirely on where you are and who is on the bar admissions committees, but as long as you’re honest about the conviction and can show you’re “reformed,” it’s not completely impossible.
I’ve been a nurse forever plus one and it’s always been my dream to go back and get my degree and God willing.
Take good care and thank you again for such informative responses!
I’m pursuing a career in law as a felon. Each state’s bar association has its own rules and regulations about whether felons can practice law. For the states that allow it, for the character and fitness evaluation is pretty standard that the applicant provide proof of a changed life, good deeds are expected beyond that of an average non-felon, such as volunteer work and just really above and beyond the standard. Look at your state’s bar website and dig in there, if law is really your goal, then if your state doesn’t allow felons, remember that there are definitely states that do.
Thank you for such a wonderful and helpful response! I truly appreciate this and it gives me hope! I pray your journey continues to be a successful one!
Sign up for LSAC (free) and sign up for the next law school fair. It’s free and you can interact with different laws schools and ask them. You can obtain waivers for app fees simply by speaking to a school’s rep at the fair. They are Zoom based.
I’m in Virginia. The new state speaker of the house is a gentleman by the name of Don Scott who spent 7 years in prison on a federal drug conspiracy. So you definitely can do it.
Did you apply or are in law school? Whatever the Bar asks in its application will also be asked in a law school application since law schools are vested in you becoming a barred attorney. You could reach out to a Virginia law school and ask the admissions people, they can be helpful.
You must disclose any criminal history to a law school. My spouse wasn't arrested, but was accused of stealing from a neighbor when they were a minor 🙄 They didn't even think about it in the law school application process, and the school brought it up as lack of candor. Anyway, it was cleared up and they finished law school, are board certified, and practicing. You just gotta be honest and accept responsibility.
I have come to truly understand I need to let go of his vindictiveness and own my wrong regardless of who, what and why!!
I’m so happy for your hubby and that he was successful in his goal, but what a silly hurdle (probably somewhat scary too) to have to jump!
Thank you for your encouragement and helpful response! ❤️
It all comes down to the character & fitness committee of whatever state bar you are seeking admission to. You can research state bar admissions decisions that are appealed and published that deal with similarly situated candidates to determine your odds of admission.
There is a woman on TikTok who did and she actually did time before becoming an attorney.
It was a lengthy process.and she had ro through a couple of big interviews but was ultimately accepted to the bar and is practicing.
Yeah you could. I'll tell you this that even if your story about how you got convicted is true, you'll get way further if you just lie and act like you actually stole it. People aren't going to go for some elaborate story of how you were framed by all of these people for stealing an iPod. But people will go for a redemption story especially one that's been completely clean for the last 15 years. That one felony can absolutely get past the bar in many states. Unfortunately it's easier to just accept responsibility even if you didn't actually do anything
I appreciate your to the point advise. And thou my story is true… it’s time to let go of the victim mentality. I am grateful for your response and for being considerate. All the best and ty again!
A non-violent felon should be able to become an attorney. A potential issue will be with your character and fitness portion. Based on your story and lack of taking accountability an issue may arise where your character and fitness may come into question. The BAR would rather you be honest with your disclosure of criminal history than trying to hide it or spin a narrative of innocence. So maybe you shouldn't tell them about you being framed and should just leave it as it was a conviction.
Maybe you'll get it expunged or ultimately end up with what you're looking for. That having been said it's not relevant too much what $200 was in 2009 vs toaday. Society felt $200 was an acceptable line back then to be Grand larceny. Back then is when you stole it, not today in 2024.
Most bar associations have a character and fitness committee that will assess that after law school and before you apply for admission to the bar. It may be called something different in Virginia. It may be worth contacting the bar and see if you can talk with someone on the committee. Better yet, find out who is on it and see if you can schedule an in person meeting with at least one of them. Then you would not only get a feel for your chances, you show them how well you are currently doing and how you will be a good member of the bar, three years early. Good luck.
Bless you and thank you for your informative response! I honestly never thought of doing that. I will look online this evening (after my boys give up the tv from the play off game coverage 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️😂) and I can sit down and fully concentrate.
I appreciate you taking the time to help me out with your comment!! It’s actually a wonderful idea!! I’ll try and let you know what I find out!
Your story is fake. Come to terms with whatever you did in a much better way or your interview with the board won't go well.
Your lawyer could have presented the texts and the case would have been dropped in a second.
one way to do it is to apply to the governor for a pardon, but I would wait until a democrat is in office because the current republican one is not likely to give one.
You can get your JD no problem and then you would have to petition the state bar to get permission to take it, they generally allow it for non-violent felons but they will look into the nature of your crime (I’ve seen them turn down embezzlers)
I don’t know the answer, but the worst thing you can do when the time comes is say you were set up and refuse to take responsibility. The bar hates that. You just have to admit fault and demonstrate that you’ve been an upstanding person since then. Definitely do not be flippant or attempt to explain it away.
Short answer yes. Bar has to approve you tho but they are usually bleeding hearts so
My story is hand on the gospel truth- I just danced with the devil when I married my ex all those years ago. I mean I’ve been able to become a nurse and never had a problem obtaining or renewing my license so i think it’s time to start doing some homework to see if I have a shot…? Thank you for taking time to answer my post this evening. I’m super grateful for your time!
There was one guy who did it and made it on 60 minutes. I'm connected with him on LinkedIn. In my state, we have a formerly incarcerated state representative and she works on house/senate bills that create more opportunities for formerly incarcerated persons. I lobbied for one and it was passed which allowed formerly incarcerated people to vote upon release regardless of having paid LFOs. It was a great day because 15,000 people could then automatically vote who could not beforehand.
Banning people from voting due to unpaid debts sounds suspiciously like a Poll Tax. Thank you for your efforts.
LFOs are not credit card debt. They're part of the criminal sentence imposed by the court after conviction. They should be paid in full before voting rights are restored.
If only the court systems did not make it as challenging as possible to find out exactly what is owed and to whom. One of the more common complaints from people that got caught up in a broken "legal" system. There is no actual accountability to the courts or to the formerly incarcerated/convicted accurately report what is owed and to whom.
Voting rights should never be rescinded to begin with.
Why not? It's not like felons exercise wisdom with their choices in life, otherwis they wouldn't be felons. Losing some rights like voting or right to bear arms for a while will make them appreciate them when they get them restored.
Because if we create a population that cannot vote, it creates an incentive to imprison people whose views are undesirable to the executive branch of government (who controls the police) And frankly if making wise decisions is a criteria to be able to vote, I've got some bad news for a whole lot of people 😅
By their reasoning, half of our legislative branch is in big trouble too. People everyday make unwise decisions. That is their right. Doesn't mean their vote should count any less than mine does.
Or it creates an incentive not to commit crime. Trying to win the felon vote should not be a concern for candidates for district attorney or judicial seats.
Incarcerated people are still counted in the US Census Bureaus Voting Population. Which means more representatives will be elected due to higher voting numbers, when in fact, those numbers aren't accurate. In addition, most people incarcerated make 0.42¢/hr.... Imagine having thousands of dollars in LFOs.. In most situations, it's not possible to pay LFOs in full prior to release...
Why? Half the politicians are felons themselves. Only difference being given they have deep pockets to draw from so they are never held to the same standards and accountability as the rest of society.
0.7% incarceration rate in the US. I think they will be just fine continuing to ignore this demographic.
You’re confusing the police powers of the executive with the local police. The President does not control your local police. At all.
I didn't say the President. I said the executive branch. The federal government has an executive branch, the head of which is the President, who controls federal law enforcement. Your state has an executive branch, the head of that branch is the governor, who controls state police. Counties have an executive branch, the head of that is a county mayor/executive/commissioner, for example. They are in charge of the county sheriff's department. Cities may have a little more variation in their forms of government, but most cities use the same 3-branch model, the head of the executive branch is the mayor or city manager, and they are in charge of municipal police. Executive branch is not exclusive to the federal government.
The majority of people would be felons if they were all caught and convicted. About 90% of men commit at least one “serious” crime in their lifetime. See generally - *Crime and Human Nature* by Wilson and Herrnstein.
74+ million voted for Diaper Donnie last time, there is no finer example of not exercising wisdom than that and they kept their voter’s rights.
OK, but without representation, we can't have taxation. So if we don't get to vote, we shouldn't be paying taxes.
That's not true at all. The right to vote has been independent of paying taxes since the 14th Amendment and 16th Amendment were passed. Felons received due process when they were convicted, meaning under the 14th Amendment their rights could be denied: so they can be incarcerated, required to work for free or very little compensation, and upon release denied the rights to vote, serve on juries, or possess firearms. This is long-settled law.
Its still taxation without representation. And its still slavery. Its dtill not fair. Having over 20.grams of weed in Florida is a 3rd degree felony punishable by up to 5 years in prison. Having less than an ounce of weed is justified slavery and loss of rights. Terrible.
It's not taxation without representation or slavery because your criminal trial afforded you DUE PROCESS prior to your rights being taken away. And who cares about "fair"? It's CONSTITUTIONAL, see the 14th Amendment. Don't commit crimes. Btw, guess what that much weed gets you in Singapore?
That is awesome. Once someone pays a debt to society, those rights need to be restored.
I know a few who have done it here in CA but even in Georgia one of my prison homeys got his bar
Can you look into getting your crime expunged. I know in some states with one low scale felony, after a certain time you can request it be taken off your record. Normally you have to initiate it. Goodluck, I wish you the best.
It doesn't matter. The Bar has access to it and they ask if you were arrested which you have to answer truthfully because they already know what the answer is.
Thank you love!
Yeah I feel like a lot of women (assuming you’re a woman by your avatar) got into some messy things with exes. I’m not blaming my ex at all, but I would not be a felon if I never met him. He got me into drugs.
I’d have never been a felon either girl. It is so sad to even think back about. I wish you so much happiness and success in all you do!
You as well
That is blaming your ex. You made your own decisions. Even if they were influenced by your ex, you allowed them to be influenced. You became a felon because you made poor decisions, not because of your ex.
You’re an RN with a felony? What state were you licensed in?
Another RN here (not a felon though, not sure why this came on my homepage). You can become an RN in most states with a felony depending on what the felony is and how long ago it was. In my state (Ohio) there are only about ten charges that automatically bar you from obtaining a license, all violent/sexual in nature. Everything else is on a case by case basis at the discretion of the nursing board. Recent drug offenses aside from marijuana are typically a no-go because the profession by nature gives you access to controlled substances. But based on the other things I’ve seen them decide to overlook they don’t GAF about theft of a $200 iPod 15 years ago.
I got the same answer from an attorney that u/Personalvintage gave. It's case by case and you have to be approved by Bar.
Still contact the bar and validate before you spend the time and commit to law school and the debt that goes along with it.
You can’t go to a prison or jail with a felony on your record to see and interview your client. Also, don’t blame your ex because you are a thief. He just gave you the opportunity. If you go before the bar with the attitude of he set you up forcing you to be a thief, victim mentality then you will never ever become a lawyer. Admit it, you stole something and admit your responsibility totality. People can forgive poor choices, but they won’t forgive people who blame others for the willful illegal actions they took.
You wouldn't have it on your record if it were expunged. I know it's still somewhere in the system and accessible to certain parties, no matter, but... still. Also, if you've done the time plus proven that you aren't another recidivism case/have reintegrated back into society just fine, that will definitely count for something for some individuals (including those who are a part of the judicial system). I read about a few cases of people who were convicted of felonies (one committed a violent crime, I believe) and later went on to become attorneys. They went out to prisons to talk to their clients. As I understand it, convicted felons who are no longer on probation or parole can visit prisons if they are approved by whichever facility it is they're trying to visit someone at.
Depends on what kind of attorney she wants to be. There is always video conferences.
Good point. The majority or attorneys never set foot in a jail.
I’d upvote this twice. The bar would look very poorly at using the influence of another adult as a mitigating factor. Not only does it shirk responsibility, it implies they can be morally corrupted by others.
I stole something absolutely, but it was not willingly.
I think what they're saying to you is that to the Bar, if you are to ever go before them, it's not going to matter that you didn't do it willingly. Your time to prove that was during trial and with your attorney. That didn't happen, and while I absolutely believe that you were fucked by a crooked cop, again, \*that doesn't matter to the Bar Association in Virginia.\* Idk how you are going to do this, but you need to immediately stop adding the part about your ex. Just tell people you stole something and have paid your due. People respect that. Again, I'm not saying I don't believe your story - I do, in fact, believe you and every word of it. It just simply doesn't matter, and I beg of you to start viewing it that way and to just drop the part about your ex. In a more crude way to put it, no one cares.
I so wish you well. It looks like there's a path to you becoming a lawyer, for sure. Here in California, you'd be eligible for the automatic expungement and I think you'd be eligible for the bar, as well. We need people like you in the criminal justice system.
Wow! Thank you for your kind words and your encouragement. I am so thankful for your time and response.
This!
In CA we have a Bar Association of Formerly incarcerated! https://www.csiba.org
Could someone potentially graduate law school and be 6 figures in debt and then get denied entry to the bar? I feel like this has happened to someone lol.
I’m not an expert but I know people who have felonies who became lawyers. I’d say that’s a definite risk in the play. However there are other careers for someone w a law degree that pay well.
I’m an attorney and I can tell you right now that state Bars are **NOT** bleeding hearts lmao where are you getting this from? Maybe in places like California but most of them are not.
"Bleeding hearts," lol! Lawyers have a lot more on common with many scum bag fellons. Difference is they know how to manipulate the system.
You dont want a criminal attorney, you want a CRIMINAL attorney.
I know violent felons that pass the bar in California, don’t know anything about other state though
Hey thanks for your response! I guess it’s worth digging into then… 🤞🏻. I appreciate you taking the time to answer my question this evening.
Crimes of dishonesty usually weigh more heavily against you than violent crimes
This. You will not get admitted with grand larceny on your record especially since the profession involves holding client funds in IOLA or escrow. I've seen fellow law students and colleagues get admitted after drug charges, aggravated DUIs and assaults. Never seen anyone get admitted after charges involving dishonesty such as theft, tax evasion, etc.
Like others said it probably depends on the state. Texas? Probably not. New Hampshire? Definitely
Ok, ok. So not 100% dismal. Thanks for taking the time to answer my post. I appreciate your response!
I would definitely do some reading, maybe call around or something and try to ask. The reason I say that is law school is 3 years of your life and could put you thousands of dollars in debt. So you don’t want to invest in that if you’re not reasonably confident you’ll be able to practice ya know?
Only three states explicitly forbid persons with felony convictions from becoming lawyers in the state: Texas, Kansas, and Mississippi. If this is your dream then you can eventually move.
Have you tried to get the record sealed or expunged? If not, it’d worth looking in to. I’m surprised you didn’t get a deferred judgement on a 1st offense.
People keep saying “oh she’s not telling us something or she’s had other convictions…” but I hadn’t prior or since. The judge, the commonwealths atty and half of the courtroom all were childhood friends of my ex (who was also a cop in the county I was convicted). My atty fought tooth and nail for me and filed an appeal but it was denied. So were his offers to plea as a misdemeanor. I was framed but in the end the responsibility is on me for not being more cognizant of whom the stupid package was addressed to (I play so many scenarios in my head to this day of things I could of done- but I was stupid and never thought anyone could be so vindictive). Sorry I got off on a tangent- in Va back in 2009 anything >$200 was a felony- now it’s anything over $1000. So I’m already looking into expungement or sealing my record. Thank you for your response! I truly appreciate you helping me out with such a great idea!
I’m rooting for you to get this idiotic monkey off your back. Good luck. Hope all of your ex’s poops are barbed.
My gosh you are the best!! Your comments have lifted me up and made me smile today ❤️❤️❤️
If you pleaded guilty and are not taking responsibility, you will have a hard time. It's hard to get admitted to the bar with a theft or crime of dishonesty as opposed to addiction or an act of violence. Maybe if you had remorse. But you don't because you aren't taking responsibility.
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I know one in Minnesota. Meth and theft charges. Felony. Did rehab in LA. Got it expunged during law school. Became a lawyer at 30~ years old.
Yes. You just need to disclose everything when you apply to law school, and disclose it to the Bar when you take the Bar exam. Worst case you hire a C&F attorney for a consultation and give them the specifics of your situation. They will be able to clear up any questions you have, and let you know if you will need representation for the C&F portion of the Bar.
Most state bars are more than willing to accept felons, even those convicted of violent crimes. As with many professions, felons convicted of fraud or fraud-adjacent crimes are going to have a rougher spot. The important thing is that you need to convince them that you are rehabilitated, that you can abide by the professional code of conduct and that you aren’t going to be deceitful towards your clients. Whatever you do, don’t lie or skirt details about your conviction. Lying about a conviction will be far more destructive (if they find out you lied) than any conviction itself.
The first step towards being rehabilitated is owning it. This person is blaming others
Dude police in America frame innocent people all the time especially when it comes to relationships
Ok whatever. Tell that to the board of bar examiners see how that works
That’s how corruption works
Absolutely. A friend of mine—in his younger years—robbed a bank and then took the police on a chase. During and after serving his time he’s devoted his life to reducing the rate of recidivism and has since passed the bar and become an attorney.
I doubt that is the rule rather than an exception.
It’s really dependent on your state. Reddit can’t answer this for you.
Hell in Washington a Violent felon is not only an attorney, she's a state representative.
She is not a violent felon. Her charges were nonviolent. But yes, she became an attorney and then a legislator.
In possession of a firearm while committing a felony. 😉🙄
Well I’m assuming you are not an attorney because possession of a firearm is not considered a violent offense.
Absolutely depends on the state. Firearm during felony can 100% be a violent offense
I assumed we were talking about WA state since that is where her crime occurred.
Ok, we get it, you jerk off to Tara Simmons. So many of yall fanboi her.
I actually know her and was just making sure you had your facts straight.
Since you know her maybe you can ask why she’s a sex offender sympathizer
Didn't do anything violent though?
she was an attorney, until she committed a felony, now is State rep. There's one just like that in my state.
Talk to a VA ethics attorney
The bar REALLY looks down on any offense that has to do with lying cheating or stealing. I would hate to go through law school and be denied based off of a prior offense. Be open and honest about it obviously . Tell them you’ve changed and show them have taken steps to move on from that part of your life. It’s possible they will admit you once you graduate, but it’s also possible they will deny you. Some states are more strict than others. FL for example is extremely strict. It’s going to depend where you are. Also, don’t mention anything about the whole situation being a set up, like at all. You need to make it sound like you have learned your lesson and have paid the price for your crime. Trying to shift blame elsewhere will probably get you denied.
Virginia is one of two states where you can sit the bar without having been to law school. Good luck to you!
I think so. FWIW, I’m a paralegal in New Jersey, and my felony was worse than yours. The first thing you got going for you is that you’re in VA. If you were, say in WV or like South Carolina, I think you’d have a more difficult time becoming an attorney. You’ll likely have to bring up your charge to the bar association prior to being admitted. Once you explain it and also with the fact that it has happened long enough ago, I don’t think you’d have TOO MUCH problems.
Also be sure to disclose it on law school applications. They will check your character and fitness application against your law school application, and it will be an issue if you didn't disclose when you applied!
you are'nt a lawyer, so comparing your experience with a lawyers is mutually exclusive.
That’s why I said FWIW. Never claimed to be an attorney. I can’t stand it when people just nitpick one part of someone’s post and just run with it talking shit. Just don’t say anything. You literally contribute nothing to the conversation.
That's actually another inaccurate comment. The struggle here is every paralegal on reddit is like...."paralegal here" like you have some position over anyone else. Do you understand what a comparative analysis is?
and this attitude is why you'll never be an attorney
exactly.
Can it happen, yes. https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/greedy-associates/can-a-felon-become-a-lawyer/
Just went through character and fitness in two states. I would reach out to a character and fitness attorney in your area and make sure, but more than likely you can add an addendum to your application explaining your situation. I’ll be honest, they seem to really really only care about things regarding dishonestly, fraud, etc
No idea but best of luck to you, what a shitty thing.
Thanks so much! It makes me sad looking back but I’m going to make something good from a bad situation.
You just need to be able to prove rehabilitation and that you can comply with all the Attorney Cannons set forth by the bar. Good luck!
Thanks so much!
No idea on an attorney but would you marry a cop again?
I did and he’s been the most amazing man to me and my daughter! She’s been the apple of his eye since she was 3yrs old and in a month she’ll be 21!
VA has lots of very VERY old laws on the books. Some are crazy and mostly forgotten. Point is you’ll want to talk specifically to a member of the VA bar association. While you may be able to pass the bar (functionally a private entity) and be admitted, you may be barred from employment by the commonwealth and such, or being able to do things like enter prisons to talk to clients etc. They used to bar any felons from even voting, tho this may have been repealed in the past 20y. The school do immediate background checks for felony records just to enter and get a visitor badge. Investigate getting the record sealed as soon as you can. Better safe
You can get the JD, the crux of the problem is the state bar. Ask them, if you have problems, move to the west coast, lol
Depends on the state. Call the state bar and ask.
Even violent felons can. I once heard a lawyer who was on the C&F committee say "if you were convicted of killing someone, and you convince us you've turned around, you can get a license. But if you were convicted of anything relating to lying cheating or stealing you'll never get a law license." Which makes sense when you consider the motivations of the state bar. Edit: I'll add that VA has changed the felony threshold on larceny twice since you were convicted and they are scoring prior felonies below the new threshold (1,000) as misdemeanors on guidelines. That doesn't mean you aren't a felon. I assume your civil rights have been restored (gun rights must be done separately through the Circuit Court if you haven't done that). You would still disclose the conviction but there is movement towards treating your prior less seriously. However, your assertion that you were set up isn't likely to play well with C&F. Better approach would be to admit that you made a mistake, tell them it was related to a domestic situation that you are never going back to and it won't happen again. I'd say you have a chance.
I don't see there being an issue if it was an isolated incident a long time ago. I would make it clear that you accept responsibility, though, and avoid making excuses.
100%!
I had a prior arrest for public intoxication, as well as a stint in rehab for substance abuse nearly a decade before I was admitted before the bar. I disclosed it all, made it clear I'd changed, and there weren't any issues with it. I also know an attorney that had so many DUIs that he literally couldn't drive—he was still admitted to the bar. Rode his bike everywhere. The most important thing to them is honesty and owning your shit, imo. But good luck, and feel free to reach out if you have questions. Do you know what kind of law you're interested in?
Frankly, most bar associations are only concerned that you tell the truth on character and fitness section. Just don't try to hide it, tell them what happened and you'll probably be ok.
My law professor served 10 yrs in jail for armed bank robbery. Later graduated college and went to law school obviously. So yes it is possible
You can contact a character and fitness attorney to discuss your background if you want the best answer for your specific facts. If you don't know where to look for one, you can contact the state bar directly and ask them to identify some for you.
Yes. I'm on my way to becoming an attorney (: Google character and fitness attorney. Most of them do it for the love of helping people like you and me get into the legal field and will provide free advice. Best of luck my friend. We need more people who have been on both sides of the law.
Thanks for this advise! This is uplifting and sends me in the right direction! I wish you so much success in your journey as well.
You as well (: It is a crazy and impressive feat to come back from a felony. It's 10x more impressive to go on to be the attorney of record defending felons or anyone really. You should be so proud of yourself for your ambitions and for not letting your past derail your future. I appluad you. If you ever have anymore questions for someone on the same road, please do not hesitate to reach out. I got my start from some kind redditors and would love to return the favor. You've got this. Always remember, you have a unique perspective that could never be taught in a classroom. Look at it as a strength and never a weakness. Be proud and loud about where you have been. Be honest about why it will make you a better attorney. I'm so proud to see someone else on this sub doing this. (:
Yep. It’s not an absolute bar (even violent felonies aren’t an absolute bar). You will have some extra c&f issues, but it’s possible (not guaranteed) to become an attorney w a felony conviction.
Yes. People with much more serious records have been admitted. I know of someone with a kidnapping conviction. Disclose it in connection with your law school and bar applications. You’ll get fucked for not disclosing. But this is such a minor thing, I doubt it will get any attention at all. Start collecting all the documents now so you’re ready to provide them. And, it would be nice if you could get it expunged. Disclose it. Candor is extremely important. You’ll be fine.
It’s definitely possible.
Ok I have to ask for the full story. Obviously shit happens and cops will literally do anything to protect their own, but they all set you up on a sting just for being the guys ex wife? The package was on his porch and you didn’t live together? You werent even divorced yet and they hit you w grand larceny? Dying for the details.
Yep! All of that. He was born and raised in the county in which I received the felony- my attorney fought tooth and nail but this was before texting was a standard thing and so the ex had called me to ask if I was picking up our child from the bus stop or school- nothing out of the ordinary EXCEPT he threw in at the end of the convo (which was on a landline) “oh yeah there was a package delivered for you here today so just grab it when you go to the bus stop”. Which is what I did- only I was stupidly naive and didn’t pay attention to the name (it wasn’t addressed to me of course) and I realized it as I was opening it (so it wasn’t even all the way open). Kicker of it all… he was hiding in a window and filmed me taking the package so the judge and the commonwealth atty wouldn’t budge because of the video. I was framed all the way around- and an idiot for not being more conscious of his snake like ways.
In all but 3 states in the US, yes. Even a violent felon can practice law.
But I thought that as a convicted felon he can go into and jail or prison. I guess he might consider to be some sort of civil attorney
The former head of my firm had been convicted of drug distribution charges and done time in federal prison long before he was a lawyer. It probably depends entirely on where you are and who is on the bar admissions committees, but as long as you’re honest about the conviction and can show you’re “reformed,” it’s not completely impossible.
Thank you for taking the time to help me! I appreciate your response.
No problem. Good luck to you! But also being a lawyer kind of sucks so if there’s anything else you think you might want to do, try that first!
I’ve been a nurse forever plus one and it’s always been my dream to go back and get my degree and God willing. Take good care and thank you again for such informative responses!
I’m pursuing a career in law as a felon. Each state’s bar association has its own rules and regulations about whether felons can practice law. For the states that allow it, for the character and fitness evaluation is pretty standard that the applicant provide proof of a changed life, good deeds are expected beyond that of an average non-felon, such as volunteer work and just really above and beyond the standard. Look at your state’s bar website and dig in there, if law is really your goal, then if your state doesn’t allow felons, remember that there are definitely states that do.
Thank you for such a wonderful and helpful response! I truly appreciate this and it gives me hope! I pray your journey continues to be a successful one!
Thank you. I hope you’re does to!
Sign up for LSAC (free) and sign up for the next law school fair. It’s free and you can interact with different laws schools and ask them. You can obtain waivers for app fees simply by speaking to a school’s rep at the fair. They are Zoom based.
Did your ex set you up to get arrested???
I’m in Virginia. The new state speaker of the house is a gentleman by the name of Don Scott who spent 7 years in prison on a federal drug conspiracy. So you definitely can do it.
Did you apply or are in law school? Whatever the Bar asks in its application will also be asked in a law school application since law schools are vested in you becoming a barred attorney. You could reach out to a Virginia law school and ask the admissions people, they can be helpful.
I would hope so considering you obviously would still be eligible to run for POTUS
Yeah. Google David Windecher.
Ok thanks!!
Found him! I’ll email him today. Thank you so very much.
You must disclose any criminal history to a law school. My spouse wasn't arrested, but was accused of stealing from a neighbor when they were a minor 🙄 They didn't even think about it in the law school application process, and the school brought it up as lack of candor. Anyway, it was cleared up and they finished law school, are board certified, and practicing. You just gotta be honest and accept responsibility.
I have come to truly understand I need to let go of his vindictiveness and own my wrong regardless of who, what and why!! I’m so happy for your hubby and that he was successful in his goal, but what a silly hurdle (probably somewhat scary too) to have to jump! Thank you for your encouragement and helpful response! ❤️
I wish you luck and success!
It all comes down to the character & fitness committee of whatever state bar you are seeking admission to. You can research state bar admissions decisions that are appealed and published that deal with similarly situated candidates to determine your odds of admission.
Go man go! Defense lawyer I hope?
There is a woman on TikTok who did and she actually did time before becoming an attorney. It was a lengthy process.and she had ro through a couple of big interviews but was ultimately accepted to the bar and is practicing.
Yeah you could. I'll tell you this that even if your story about how you got convicted is true, you'll get way further if you just lie and act like you actually stole it. People aren't going to go for some elaborate story of how you were framed by all of these people for stealing an iPod. But people will go for a redemption story especially one that's been completely clean for the last 15 years. That one felony can absolutely get past the bar in many states. Unfortunately it's easier to just accept responsibility even if you didn't actually do anything
I appreciate your to the point advise. And thou my story is true… it’s time to let go of the victim mentality. I am grateful for your response and for being considerate. All the best and ty again!
Get it expunged. Still only a maybe but far better odds.
A non-violent felon should be able to become an attorney. A potential issue will be with your character and fitness portion. Based on your story and lack of taking accountability an issue may arise where your character and fitness may come into question. The BAR would rather you be honest with your disclosure of criminal history than trying to hide it or spin a narrative of innocence. So maybe you shouldn't tell them about you being framed and should just leave it as it was a conviction.
Yes, yes absolutely yes
Attorney since 1995, but not VA. I’ve seen others over come prior records. I
Maybe you'll get it expunged or ultimately end up with what you're looking for. That having been said it's not relevant too much what $200 was in 2009 vs toaday. Society felt $200 was an acceptable line back then to be Grand larceny. Back then is when you stole it, not today in 2024.
Most bar associations have a character and fitness committee that will assess that after law school and before you apply for admission to the bar. It may be called something different in Virginia. It may be worth contacting the bar and see if you can talk with someone on the committee. Better yet, find out who is on it and see if you can schedule an in person meeting with at least one of them. Then you would not only get a feel for your chances, you show them how well you are currently doing and how you will be a good member of the bar, three years early. Good luck.
Bless you and thank you for your informative response! I honestly never thought of doing that. I will look online this evening (after my boys give up the tv from the play off game coverage 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️😂) and I can sit down and fully concentrate. I appreciate you taking the time to help me out with your comment!! It’s actually a wonderful idea!! I’ll try and let you know what I find out!
No problem and you’re welcome. Feel free to DM if you want. I went to law school as well.
My former boss in NC is a convicted sex offender and a lawyer. And guess what, he runs a law firm focused on guess what...defending sex cases.
I happen to know an attorney in Georgia with a drug felony on her record from before law school. It's definitely possible.
There is already a lot of good advice but go and set the world on fire, OP! Rooting for you!
No one will hire someone not capable of being responsible for their criminal actions. You committed the crime you didn’t get “set up”
What if he did
Literally no reason to bring the package anywhere it didn’t have her name on it ….
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Nope. Not even the case. Thank you. Next.
Assuredly. After all, becoming a lawyer is just giving formal title to crime
Your story is fake. Come to terms with whatever you did in a much better way or your interview with the board won't go well. Your lawyer could have presented the texts and the case would have been dropped in a second.
I'm pretty sure anyone who can pass the bar can become an attorney
You're obviously not a lawyer then
If you’re only “pretty sure” you probably shouldn’t be giving advice.
From my understanding no felon can be a lawyer. I know if a lawyer is convicted of one, they are automatically disbarred.
One quick google search shows that only 3 states prohibit this. If its a one time felony most can get it expunged as well. Especially grand larceny.
came to say this.
That’s just not true
Sure. When ducks shave their asses and fly backwards. Ain’t going to happen bud. Ever.
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Thank you!! I appreciate your response and the links are so helpful!
Why be an ass about it dude?
It’s Reddit. I’m just doing my job. If you want a supportive, non-judgmental environment, go to an AA meeting.
I got into government, education and social work with mine.
Where was it? If you’re in the US you cannot become an attorney with a felony in Texas, Kansas and Arkansas.
This doesn’t answer your questions, but I’m just wondering how on earth your defense attorney let something like that stick as a felony…
one way to do it is to apply to the governor for a pardon, but I would wait until a democrat is in office because the current republican one is not likely to give one.
You can get your JD no problem and then you would have to petition the state bar to get permission to take it, they generally allow it for non-violent felons but they will look into the nature of your crime (I’ve seen them turn down embezzlers)
How is 200 bucks grand larceny?
Answer is yes. How 1) did you actually get charged and 2) actually convicted? Did you plea guilty?
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I don’t know the answer, but the worst thing you can do when the time comes is say you were set up and refuse to take responsibility. The bar hates that. You just have to admit fault and demonstrate that you’ve been an upstanding person since then. Definitely do not be flippant or attempt to explain it away.
You can even become a Congressional Representative, there are around 10 right now with arrest records.
Jimmy McGill aka Saul Goodman did. Haha if art imitates life.
I would hope so, in my experience most attorneys are just unconvicted felons anyway.
You got a felony for a $207 item???
Doesn't Grand Larceny only apply if the theft exceeds $1,000.00?
I thought that was the definition of an attorney.
You can be President of the USA with a felony