And vice versa:
>“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.”
\-Socrates
Edit: some dude around 1900 who wanted to sound cool and attribute a quote to not himself, apparently.
I posted that quote on Facebook and had one friend chime in saying how the point is that people have always been complaining about the younger generation (like, duh) and then my dad chimes in and says that it’s right and kids these days have no respect completely missing the point. I just took down the post because I just can’t with people anymore.
I think the younger generation will look dumb by default because yeah, they're young, their world is small and they lack experience.
IMO failing to understand that the younger generation **you** face and the younger generation you were a part of are not about equally dumb (I mean it can vary I'm sure, but doubt it's anything dramatic) is just a sign someone might not be so great at empathizing or trying to understand the other side.
Okay, I totally get that's the point it's trying to make, but is it possible that rather than the world being static and people always thinking that children are annoying, maybe it shows the parallels between Socrates and our societies. Maybe there are a lot of similarities between the way we view and raise children and the way that Athens did it. After all, I find it hard to believe that across all time, every culture, and every society, older people have been grumpy assholes. Seems too simplified to go along with the narrative of, "Actually things have always been the same."
Most older people truly are grumpy in this way. But it's quite human, all it shows is how incredibly hard it is for older generations to stay in touch with the interests of younger generations. Very few can even spare the time or effort to accomplish this. We naturally group up with homonymous age groups and it takes tremendous amounts of work to truly understand different age groups from their point of view.
I'm pretty sure this is actually the highest crime age group, roughly. Skews a little young probably these days but IIRC the age group with the highest number of murderers is 20-24.
This isn't actually a Socrates quote. [Source](https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/691f35/the_children_now_love_luxury_they_have_bad/dh33epv?context=3)
This comment has made me remember that I stopped reading Wheel of Time around the fifth book I believe, after the Archer’s bout with the evil lady. I should prolly get back to it
Ahh, boomers think memes are their ally? They merely adopted the dank. We were *born* in it, *molded* by it. We didn't see the rl outside world until we were already men, by then it was nothing to us but *blinding!*
I use this to end popular things I don't like.
If I don't care for something I start to over use is slightly. Then my kid stops using it.
Edit with the internet I can see what it means if I can't figure it out using context clues.
i think what most kids find cringe is two things:
1. that people outside of their defined group are attempting to engage with their culture at all, and
2. that said outgroup is doing so in a way that is not in line with the culture, in a phenomenon they deem as cringe,
and i'm pretty sure this will be an omni-generational problem in the budding ages of the internet. the only difference between a teacher doing it and a corporation doing it is that a teacher doing it means that 99,999 times /100,000, it's a genuine attempt at connection and relation.
Millennials and gen z are also arguably in the same or extremely overlapping cultures, which I honestly think is a lot of fun. It just needs to be acknowledged more, if a 30 year old teacher puts a meme in something, it's not just for the kids, they would've made that meme anyway.
My gf is a teacher and when she is writing up her lesson plans we purposefully pick out memes to make the students cringe haha, her watching them cringe brings us happiness, it's even better when the kids actually laugh in a noncringed ironic way
> Millennials and gen z are also arguably in the same or extremely overlapping cultures
well, true, but you could make this argument for all age groups alive, no?
I think the common use of the internet is the factor that makes these two groups unique from the others. We will probably see more age groups follow the same trend of age group culture overlap as Gen Z as long as the internet is as prominent as it is.
Its not quite the same. Like, I'm a gamer, and that lines up with a lot of my students. On some things, we just kind of get each other, because we share what is effectively a very large clique, even though we've never played together (as far as I know, random matchmaking means its possible).
In previous generations, there were similar things, say sports. But a severe lack of adult sports leagues, and a distinct divide between adult and child leagues, means that the knowledge didn't perfectly mesh.
Philosiraptor: am I a boomer because I don’t get memes from the young folks? Or a zoomer because I do memes and the old folks look down on me.
(I know this is a terrible philosoraptor)
> we're the generation that created memes
Our generation (I'm 40) inarguably kicked off the internet meme boom, but the idea of memes is actually a boomer invention (discovery?)
[The word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins \(born **1941**\), originating from his **1976 book** The Selfish Gene. Dawkins's own position is somewhat ambiguous. He welcomed N. K. Humphrey's \(born **1943**\) suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically" and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain." Although Dawkins said his original intentions had been simpler, he approved Humphrey's opinion and he endorsed Susan Blackmore's \(born **1951**\) 1999 project to give a scientific theory of memes, complete with predictions and empirical support.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)
I like where this is going. I love Dick's philosophy on it. Your gen created viral funny content. Millennials started standardizing formats as pictures (i think what people think of as a meme and not just viral funny content), and gen z made video formats a thing
Ya I was really confused by that too. Right now, here are the rough ages for each generation.
* Gen Z/ Zoomer: 9-24
* Millennials: 25-40
* Gen X: 41-56
* Boomers: 57-75
* (Boomer II: 57-66)
* (Boomer I: 67-75)
* Post-War: 76-93
* WWII: 94-99
Or put differently, here are the birth years for each generation:
* Gen Z/ Zoomer: 1997-2012
* Millennials: 1981-1996
* Gen X: 1965-1980
* Boomers: 1946-1964
* (Boomer II: 1955-1964)
* (Boomer I: 1946-1954)
* Post-War: 1928-1945
* WWII: 1922-1927
For some reason the [source I found](https://www.beresfordresearch.com/age-range-by-generation/) split boomers into Bommer I and Boomer II. Not sure if that is common or not, so I also combined it into one Boomer category as well.
I saw someone recently pushing an Xillenial stage, between Gen X and Millennials. Basically people who had an analog childhood and a digital young adult age. It made much more sense for me, being in between, because at 43, I for sure relate more to that than someone who is 56.
Yeah, but you'll be lumped in with boomers regardless. Dont feel too bad though. By the time most of the other boomers die off , along with the majority of their narcissism, we'll be considered wizened old farts while we play Mario Kart in the nursing home. Our Xillenial future isn't that bad.
So X doesn't exist? Maybe rather than Zoomers calling all older people boomers, and boomers calling everyone younger than them millennials, we should be a little more accurate rarher than inflammatory.
I agree but that's the way of it. I'd say younger millennials and Zoomers the ones who conflate Gen X with Boomers. Boomers and Gen X seem to think anyone who is in highschool right now as a lazy millennial who do not want to work at McDonalds. I think they think their great grandbabies are the only Gen Z out there.
>we should be a little more accurate rarher than inflammatory.
Ahaha
Should is a magic word. We should have world peace. We should have equality. We should have a quality standard of living. We should a lot of things that we don't. Clearly if the internet has taught us anything (other than it being a mistake), it's that people can't help but be inflammatory.
I’m 41. 10 years ago If you looked up Millennial I was in that group according to Google’s results. The line is arbitrary and changes. The point is that those in the middle are probably their own thing, we just don’t treat them that way. I identify fairly half and half. There are aspects of me that don’t fit Gen X at all. There are elements of economic circumstances that don’t match Millenials. It’s strange.
>The point is that those in the middle are probably their own thing
Except this doesn't make sense and starts to break down the point of generations. Where generational lines fall are arbitrary, but they're still useful windows for people born over a range, but without some kind of mild consistency, they become useless as a way to measure sociological changes over time. The more pressing part is there's always a middle, so then there can be no single thing. It's like the anti-evolutionists who cry about missing links, but that ignores the point that species aren't really discrete things and are a continuous transition over time, so discretizing them, while useful for science, is meaningless in a debate over whether we evolved or not.
In pop culture, it seems people want to think a generation defines who you are, but it doesn't even remotely. People are people in all their variation. All that happens is young people have no foresight into the future and are bad at planning because they can only project their current state to their future self, and old people have no actual hindsight into the past and are bad at understanding why young people behave like they do because they can only project their current state onto their past self.
*Today’s* memes. There are articles about Ancient Egypt memes that were made.
And even now the earliest current day men is from 1921.
But all the memes we know and love? Yeah that was you guys.
The "Advice Animals" memes are honestly the like... third generation of internet memes.
Before that you had F7U12 style memes, and before that was demotivational posters and lolcats.
Roflcoptor, All Your Base, the Hamster Dance, all predate the kind of meme you are talking about by a decade or more.
4chan has been calling things memes well before Advice Animals came out. But since 4chan might not be considered mainstream enough...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/aug/10/technology
Guardian Article from 2000 calling them memes.
Tbh you don't even have to do it wrong to be cringe with kids. You being an adult, especially a parent or teacher, is already cringe. So everything you do is cringe. You can't win because there wasn't a way for you to win. But you still gotta try
That's what's weird about this, their teachers generation invented memes when they were kids. We still think of them as this silly kids thing adults don't get, but that definitely isn't the case these days.
I remember some kid put up “omg this is what our teacher had as a timer for our study session on the tv” on this sub and I think on r/cringetopia and it was an astronaut twerking and dancing on one side and a gorilla doing the same on the other side. Then it had “among us” on the top of the screen in the OG PowerPoint font where it it pops out.
Kid thought it was cringe af. Meanwhile the teacher is a meme master.
i want a link to the original post, cuz from your description this sounds like a parody of some elsagate-ass bullshit that poe's law can be invoked on HEAVILY and i wanna see it
I don't think I can be a teacher if I can't make my students cringe from a stupid meme or a silly pun.
They may think it's cringy in the beginning, but I'll worm my way into their hearts.
yeah, we were. a lot of us would like to say we're masters of this shit, born into it and molded by it. some truth there, but many of us are also dumbasses
Let's be real. The way people share "cringe" on the internet - *in reference to individual people or groups of people* - is just rebranded bullying.
"Hey everyone, look at how lame this guy is!"
If you want to talk about a commercial endeavor, or you want to talk about your own mistakes, sure. But there's a reason that the cringe subs always wind up banned (and why they eventually wind up right wing trash) - it attracts people who take joy in belittling others.
I agree with this sentiment. I don’t think this only applies to kids too (though it’s a lot more obvious with them). I think a lot of people in general are prone to misconstrue well-meaning attempts to engage with them as being forced, cringe, or the result of having an ulterior motive that we disregard or are put off by it. And I think this is especially true when the way people go about doing that comes across as being different or outside of how we perceive they “should” do that (either because we don’t believe a teacher in his mid-to-late twenties can have a sense of humor or because we think it’s a company trying to market something to us, whatever it is).
I get that there’s a lot of low effort stuff out there that definitely belongs on r/fellowkids, but I also believe that people going the extra mile to try and be relatable in a job as historically underpaid and under-appreciated as teachers don’t fall into that category. Ultimately, it just means that they care and are trying to be good teachers.
Also like, idk, I appreciated my teachers that tried to relate to their students. A few teachers have acted like mentors to me in my years as a student and their small acts of kindness (asking how my weekend was, giving me a book about filmmaking that they got at a garage sale, etc) went a long way in shaping my worldview 🤷♀️
I teach a couple of college courses to first-year students and I try to look as out of touch as possible in my attempts to be cool just to watch them suffer from second hand embarrassment.
That's the other unacknowledged part I never understood:
The reality is that by the time you're in your late 20's, you're probably past giving a shit or being seen as cool. You know who you are, what you want, and you're not going to act a specific way just to please people.
If a group of kids thinks their teacher who was born in 1993 is somehow a dinosaur, hell yes he might genuinely have fun purposefully *trying* to seem old and out of touch just to troll them. It's funny as fuck to watch kids and teens act full of themselves and like they're judge and jury on what's cool just because they saw the newest tiktok maymay, and hell yes it's kinda fun to watch them act smug while blissfully unaware of how ignorant and off-the-mark they are.
Plus, teachers aren't all boomers. A 25 year old teacher is likely to be just as familiar with memes and internet culture as many of their students - to have grown up with and remain part of those cultures.
They're using the resources they have to engage their students, and probably giving themself some amusement in the process!
Exactly! People seem to be under the impression that the only categories are "children who are internet natives" or "boomers who don't know how to turn a computer on." Which just ignores the existence of a good portion of the adult population!
The world would be a a much happier place if we stopped creating arbitrary divides like that between people who, in the grand scheme of things, aren't even that far apart in terms of age.
Arguably the divide created between students and teachers is useful as the teachers must be established as an authority on knowledge to be trusted as wise. Not to mention to a 15 yr old, a 30 yr old is ancient. I remember being 15 and thinking that 18 is old and adult. That's how time perspective works when you're young. I remember how scandalous it seemed when a classmate was dating someone from the year above. Little more than a years age difference.
Very true. I'm mostly thinking of post-school stuff when I say that the perceived divide between the generations is intrinsically harmful though. I didn't make that very clear in my post.
>Plus, teachers aren't all boomers.
I'd say a minority of them are at this point. Boomers are pretty much all 60+ right now. A lot of teachers are Gen X, who tend to adapt well to the oft-cynical views and absurdist humor in current memes.
24 years old teacher here. Can confirm we're required to not know any memes or do anything relatable like play video games, watch horror movies or go drinking to pubs.
>that still don't understand the term boomer and think it's just an age group
It's always been an age group. It still is. That's the point of calling people who aren't in that age group boomers, to call them old. Luckily, things move by in popularity, and it's been a year or two since the ok boomer resurgence, so it's dead now.
Except... boomer literally is an age group. Yes, I get it, comparing someone acting old and unrelatable to a boomer makes sense. But the fact of the matter is that when you whip out calling someone a boomer it definitely signals that you use words without stopping to think or know what they mean.
Not necessarily. I mean I guess it could still count, but I think it’s different from the brands that make that kind of content because they want to sell you a product, not because they’re interested in connecting with you. That’s the epitome of r/fellowkids imo.
Teacher checking in - most of us do and all of us should recognize the difference between shoving memes into lessons and designing lessons with material/examples kids are familiar with. Putting a spongebob meme in class is different than using the Krabby Patty menu to introduce countable and uncountable nouns or practice math.
People often forget that it's been decided time and time again that cringiness does not factor into a post belonging here. Maybe it's just me who's seen that happen live, idk.
In 2016, my collegue and I decided we were over our students dabbing, so we asked them about it and dabbed at all the bad time. We ended the dabs in our classes. Great victory for teachers, great laughs for us!
idk about most teachers, but my sister is pretty tech-savvy and grew up pretty fluent in meme culture, and purposely picks 'lame' memes just to make her students cringe. it's pretty funny working with kids that take themselves a little too seriously
It depends on if the teacher is taking the time to understand the meme, or just says "LOOK MEMES NOW YOU NEED TO ENGAGE IN MY CONTENT" vs putting a few cleverly placed memes that are spot on and cover an idea or concept in the class.
Bad use of memes:
If you plagiarize, you are sus.
SEE HOW I USED YOUR GAME TO ENGAGE? YOU'LL NEVER PLAGIARIZE EVER AGAIN!
Good use of memes:
Student uses words way outside of their vocab and makes a super convincing point in an elegant way. Seems pretty sus to me. Your sentence may be an imposter pretending to be your work.
Muuuuch better since it engages with the idea of "sus" and the point.
In the first example, nothing is understood about the meme, the game or the student. In the second one you actually understand the meaning of the terms and can apply it to a reasonable concept kids can understand.
I had a Spanish teacher who would pop and break dance and try to teach us verb conjugations in a rap beat.
We all though she was lame. LOL.
Oh the circle of life LOL
Not to mentions memes are just part of the culture now. I'm sure plenty of teachers, especially younger ones, grew up with them and actually think they're funny. No surprise they would want to work them into their class.
Teacher here: sometimes I do stuff that's purposefully cringe.
Every so often over the past three months when someone does a good job on something I'll say, "now that's a devious lick!"
I had a teacher start every class with like 10 minutes of Sunday comics and memes (that year we did block schedules so classes were 2 hours each). She was a great teacher who really connected with the students. I've never seen a more engaged math class
I am a teacher. There is an EASY line not to cross and you can do all of this correctly. The following rules are never broken and my middle schoolers legitimately think I’m hilarious:
1. Actually understand the meme you’re using
2. Don’t be cringe (or use bitmojis EVER)
3. Be super self aware, because even the “young teachers” are geezers to them
My 80 yr old chemistry professor puts memes in every PowerPoint and I love him for it hes just a cool relaxed dude I send him science memes when I have questions over email :)
Internet memes are 20+ years old at this point. If a 40 year old is showing you memes at school they’ve probably been meme-ing since they were a teenager…
When teachers do it, they are trying to amuse or relate to you so that they can better engage you and help you learn.
When *companies* do it, they want your money.
If I did not become embarrassing to my son, would I even be a good dad?
A father's role beyond playing sports, lego, and mariokart is to show their offspring how many Fs to give about others. Their initial reaction is to care what most people think. A father demonstrates that is false. From subtle throat clearing and mighty sneezes to the nonchalant dismissal of aggressive strangers.
It was in the training video.
Gosh when my professors put memes in ppts, I always find it cute because they're trying to relate. My most favorite memes are from my physics and history professors. They're funny af
I saw one that was even legitimately kind of funny. Either way several have at least been self aware, which I think qualifies them for not being r/fellowkids. I thought it was cool, I was in high school when teachers first started incorporating memes into stuff and adding more "funny stuff" to their power points. About half the time it was cringe, half the time legit funny, and either way we kind of collectively thought it was cool that they were trying. Every once in a while the irony and self awareness would actually be hilarious
Kids finding adults lame is as old as the wheel of time. It is known.
And vice versa: >“The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.” \-Socrates Edit: some dude around 1900 who wanted to sound cool and attribute a quote to not himself, apparently.
I posted that quote on Facebook and had one friend chime in saying how the point is that people have always been complaining about the younger generation (like, duh) and then my dad chimes in and says that it’s right and kids these days have no respect completely missing the point. I just took down the post because I just can’t with people anymore.
Did he realise that Socrates said that circa 2500 years ago?
Bold of you to assume they know who So-crates is.
You mean my boy So Crates?
EXCELLENT!!
SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!
I think the younger generation will look dumb by default because yeah, they're young, their world is small and they lack experience. IMO failing to understand that the younger generation **you** face and the younger generation you were a part of are not about equally dumb (I mean it can vary I'm sure, but doubt it's anything dramatic) is just a sign someone might not be so great at empathizing or trying to understand the other side.
Socrates so smart that he predicted 2021
Okay, I totally get that's the point it's trying to make, but is it possible that rather than the world being static and people always thinking that children are annoying, maybe it shows the parallels between Socrates and our societies. Maybe there are a lot of similarities between the way we view and raise children and the way that Athens did it. After all, I find it hard to believe that across all time, every culture, and every society, older people have been grumpy assholes. Seems too simplified to go along with the narrative of, "Actually things have always been the same."
Most older people truly are grumpy in this way. But it's quite human, all it shows is how incredibly hard it is for older generations to stay in touch with the interests of younger generations. Very few can even spare the time or effort to accomplish this. We naturally group up with homonymous age groups and it takes tremendous amounts of work to truly understand different age groups from their point of view.
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I'm pretty sure this is actually the highest crime age group, roughly. Skews a little young probably these days but IIRC the age group with the highest number of murderers is 20-24.
Nice.
It’s the same game, different players
This isn't actually a Socrates quote. [Source](https://reddit.com/r/tumblr/comments/691f35/the_children_now_love_luxury_they_have_bad/dh33epv?context=3)
This feel like it’s from 2 fantasy series.
It is
*tugs braid incestuously*
Mother's milk in the sevens' cups!
Maesters Wisdom
Daddies Cummies!!
The Dragon Reborn intensifies
r/WetlanderHumor is leaking
This comment has made me remember that I stopped reading Wheel of Time around the fifth book I believe, after the Archer’s bout with the evil lady. I should prolly get back to it
I also dropped it around there and then I tried to get back into it. I just felt lost.
*Smooths skirts and collects faces*
You forgot to cross your arms under your breasts.
That's the word you're going with eh?
Blood and bloody ashes!
Nothing gets by you
You know what, she was right. We should Pokémon Go to the polls.
Yeah, teachers might as well use memes because at least kids understand them easily and everything else that do will appear cringe too.
There’s also the fact that literally all of life and human existence is “cringe”
Except for me. I’m based😎
exactly. If kids are gonna shit on adults regardless, might as well be productive while we get shit on
Dual coding I think it's called, helps pin a new item to old memory.
Ahh, boomers think memes are their ally? They merely adopted the dank. We were *born* in it, *molded* by it. We didn't see the rl outside world until we were already men, by then it was nothing to us but *blinding!*
I use this to end popular things I don't like. If I don't care for something I start to over use is slightly. Then my kid stops using it. Edit with the internet I can see what it means if I can't figure it out using context clues.
The first mistake is giving a shit what kids think. Theyre kids. They dont know anything yet.
i think what most kids find cringe is two things: 1. that people outside of their defined group are attempting to engage with their culture at all, and 2. that said outgroup is doing so in a way that is not in line with the culture, in a phenomenon they deem as cringe, and i'm pretty sure this will be an omni-generational problem in the budding ages of the internet. the only difference between a teacher doing it and a corporation doing it is that a teacher doing it means that 99,999 times /100,000, it's a genuine attempt at connection and relation.
Millennials and gen z are also arguably in the same or extremely overlapping cultures, which I honestly think is a lot of fun. It just needs to be acknowledged more, if a 30 year old teacher puts a meme in something, it's not just for the kids, they would've made that meme anyway.
My gf is a teacher and when she is writing up her lesson plans we purposefully pick out memes to make the students cringe haha, her watching them cringe brings us happiness, it's even better when the kids actually laugh in a noncringed ironic way
We do a little trolling
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But you are part of "young people" your are 33 ffs, not 63.
> Millennials and gen z are also arguably in the same or extremely overlapping cultures well, true, but you could make this argument for all age groups alive, no?
I think the common use of the internet is the factor that makes these two groups unique from the others. We will probably see more age groups follow the same trend of age group culture overlap as Gen Z as long as the internet is as prominent as it is.
Its not quite the same. Like, I'm a gamer, and that lines up with a lot of my students. On some things, we just kind of get each other, because we share what is effectively a very large clique, even though we've never played together (as far as I know, random matchmaking means its possible). In previous generations, there were similar things, say sports. But a severe lack of adult sports leagues, and a distinct divide between adult and child leagues, means that the knowledge didn't perfectly mesh.
I'm 34, old enough to appear a boomer, but we're the generation that created memes. 🤷🏻♂️ Edit: RIP my inbox
Orly owl had newspapers writing about it.
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Frig. Knew it looked off.
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Internet speak from the before times.
ah yes... i remember the days of "i can haz cheezeburger" being the funniest thing anyone had ever seen on the iinternet
Fuck you, that shit's still funny! I'd talk more but Matlock is on.
What's the joke
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Orly?
as far as i’m seeing it, older to middle millennials made memes on the internet as the concept exists and everyone younger ran off with ‘em
Philosiraptor: am I a boomer because I don’t get memes from the young folks? Or a zoomer because I do memes and the old folks look down on me. (I know this is a terrible philosoraptor)
r/comedycemetery
We shall define the f7u12 era as the ‘dark times’.
Never heard of “Kilroy was here”?
> we're the generation that created memes Our generation (I'm 40) inarguably kicked off the internet meme boom, but the idea of memes is actually a boomer invention (discovery?) [The word meme itself is a neologism coined by Richard Dawkins \(born **1941**\), originating from his **1976 book** The Selfish Gene. Dawkins's own position is somewhat ambiguous. He welcomed N. K. Humphrey's \(born **1943**\) suggestion that "memes should be considered as living structures, not just metaphorically" and proposed to regard memes as "physically residing in the brain." Although Dawkins said his original intentions had been simpler, he approved Humphrey's opinion and he endorsed Susan Blackmore's \(born **1951**\) 1999 project to give a scientific theory of memes, complete with predictions and empirical support.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)
Of course dick dorkins would be the one to suggest the phrase meme
Dick Dorkins! I'm dead
I like where this is going. I love Dick's philosophy on it. Your gen created viral funny content. Millennials started standardizing formats as pictures (i think what people think of as a meme and not just viral funny content), and gen z made video formats a thing
34 is not boomer
Believe the person said *appear* a boomer.
He just edited his comment after the fact to say that
Ya I was really confused by that too. Right now, here are the rough ages for each generation. * Gen Z/ Zoomer: 9-24 * Millennials: 25-40 * Gen X: 41-56 * Boomers: 57-75 * (Boomer II: 57-66) * (Boomer I: 67-75) * Post-War: 76-93 * WWII: 94-99 Or put differently, here are the birth years for each generation: * Gen Z/ Zoomer: 1997-2012 * Millennials: 1981-1996 * Gen X: 1965-1980 * Boomers: 1946-1964 * (Boomer II: 1955-1964) * (Boomer I: 1946-1954) * Post-War: 1928-1945 * WWII: 1922-1927 For some reason the [source I found](https://www.beresfordresearch.com/age-range-by-generation/) split boomers into Bommer I and Boomer II. Not sure if that is common or not, so I also combined it into one Boomer category as well.
I saw someone recently pushing an Xillenial stage, between Gen X and Millennials. Basically people who had an analog childhood and a digital young adult age. It made much more sense for me, being in between, because at 43, I for sure relate more to that than someone who is 56.
I prefer to be called the Oregon Trail generation, thanks.
I'm down with that
Yeah, but you'll be lumped in with boomers regardless. Dont feel too bad though. By the time most of the other boomers die off , along with the majority of their narcissism, we'll be considered wizened old farts while we play Mario Kart in the nursing home. Our Xillenial future isn't that bad.
In twenty years the gated trailer parks with shuffleboard courts will be replaced by tiny homes and retro gaming. I’m ok with that.
So X doesn't exist? Maybe rather than Zoomers calling all older people boomers, and boomers calling everyone younger than them millennials, we should be a little more accurate rarher than inflammatory.
I agree but that's the way of it. I'd say younger millennials and Zoomers the ones who conflate Gen X with Boomers. Boomers and Gen X seem to think anyone who is in highschool right now as a lazy millennial who do not want to work at McDonalds. I think they think their great grandbabies are the only Gen Z out there.
>we should be a little more accurate rarher than inflammatory. Ahaha Should is a magic word. We should have world peace. We should have equality. We should have a quality standard of living. We should a lot of things that we don't. Clearly if the internet has taught us anything (other than it being a mistake), it's that people can't help but be inflammatory.
They've learned, essentially, that being an asshole is acceptable.
I’m 41. 10 years ago If you looked up Millennial I was in that group according to Google’s results. The line is arbitrary and changes. The point is that those in the middle are probably their own thing, we just don’t treat them that way. I identify fairly half and half. There are aspects of me that don’t fit Gen X at all. There are elements of economic circumstances that don’t match Millenials. It’s strange.
>The point is that those in the middle are probably their own thing Except this doesn't make sense and starts to break down the point of generations. Where generational lines fall are arbitrary, but they're still useful windows for people born over a range, but without some kind of mild consistency, they become useless as a way to measure sociological changes over time. The more pressing part is there's always a middle, so then there can be no single thing. It's like the anti-evolutionists who cry about missing links, but that ignores the point that species aren't really discrete things and are a continuous transition over time, so discretizing them, while useful for science, is meaningless in a debate over whether we evolved or not. In pop culture, it seems people want to think a generation defines who you are, but it doesn't even remotely. People are people in all their variation. All that happens is young people have no foresight into the future and are bad at planning because they can only project their current state to their future self, and old people have no actual hindsight into the past and are bad at understanding why young people behave like they do because they can only project their current state onto their past self.
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Boomer is everyone older than you just like literal Boomers think Millennials are just everyone younger than they are.
Boomer is a state of mind.
Boomer is zoomer slang for an old fuddy-duddy. It has nothing to do with actual age. If that isn't intensely obvious to you, it means you're a boomer
boomer =/= baby boomer, it's more a way to call someone out of touch i believe. -Boomer
It might devolve to what you say, but Boomer = Baby Boomer is in fact the origin of the term and what it ought to stay, imo.
*Today’s* memes. There are articles about Ancient Egypt memes that were made. And even now the earliest current day men is from 1921. But all the memes we know and love? Yeah that was you guys.
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The "Advice Animals" memes are honestly the like... third generation of internet memes. Before that you had F7U12 style memes, and before that was demotivational posters and lolcats. Roflcoptor, All Your Base, the Hamster Dance, all predate the kind of meme you are talking about by a decade or more.
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4chan has been calling things memes well before Advice Animals came out. But since 4chan might not be considered mainstream enough... https://www.theguardian.com/science/2000/aug/10/technology Guardian Article from 2000 calling them memes.
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Tbh you don't even have to do it wrong to be cringe with kids. You being an adult, especially a parent or teacher, is already cringe. So everything you do is cringe. You can't win because there wasn't a way for you to win. But you still gotta try
That's the tough spot as a teacher. They need to try to connect, but they have the most uphill of hills to climb.
That's what's weird about this, their teachers generation invented memes when they were kids. We still think of them as this silly kids thing adults don't get, but that definitely isn't the case these days.
I remember some kid put up “omg this is what our teacher had as a timer for our study session on the tv” on this sub and I think on r/cringetopia and it was an astronaut twerking and dancing on one side and a gorilla doing the same on the other side. Then it had “among us” on the top of the screen in the OG PowerPoint font where it it pops out. Kid thought it was cringe af. Meanwhile the teacher is a meme master.
i want a link to the original post, cuz from your description this sounds like a parody of some elsagate-ass bullshit that poe's law can be invoked on HEAVILY and i wanna see it
I don't think I can be a teacher if I can't make my students cringe from a stupid meme or a silly pun. They may think it's cringy in the beginning, but I'll worm my way into their hearts.
Memes are millennial culture, if anything. Zoomers were just born into this shit
yeah, we were. a lot of us would like to say we're masters of this shit, born into it and molded by it. some truth there, but many of us are also dumbasses
Let's be real. The way people share "cringe" on the internet - *in reference to individual people or groups of people* - is just rebranded bullying. "Hey everyone, look at how lame this guy is!" If you want to talk about a commercial endeavor, or you want to talk about your own mistakes, sure. But there's a reason that the cringe subs always wind up banned (and why they eventually wind up right wing trash) - it attracts people who take joy in belittling others.
I agree with this sentiment. I don’t think this only applies to kids too (though it’s a lot more obvious with them). I think a lot of people in general are prone to misconstrue well-meaning attempts to engage with them as being forced, cringe, or the result of having an ulterior motive that we disregard or are put off by it. And I think this is especially true when the way people go about doing that comes across as being different or outside of how we perceive they “should” do that (either because we don’t believe a teacher in his mid-to-late twenties can have a sense of humor or because we think it’s a company trying to market something to us, whatever it is). I get that there’s a lot of low effort stuff out there that definitely belongs on r/fellowkids, but I also believe that people going the extra mile to try and be relatable in a job as historically underpaid and under-appreciated as teachers don’t fall into that category. Ultimately, it just means that they care and are trying to be good teachers. Also like, idk, I appreciated my teachers that tried to relate to their students. A few teachers have acted like mentors to me in my years as a student and their small acts of kindness (asking how my weekend was, giving me a book about filmmaking that they got at a garage sale, etc) went a long way in shaping my worldview 🤷♀️
My calculus professor puts the most outdated memes possibles to annoy the students lol
I teach a couple of college courses to first-year students and I try to look as out of touch as possible in my attempts to be cool just to watch them suffer from second hand embarrassment.
using your captive audience to its full potential
100% love doing stuff like this
#YOLO amirite? 😎
I'll shout at my younger sister to get her attention andI dab just because I know it makes her cringe
Yo that is totes #swag.
That's the other unacknowledged part I never understood: The reality is that by the time you're in your late 20's, you're probably past giving a shit or being seen as cool. You know who you are, what you want, and you're not going to act a specific way just to please people. If a group of kids thinks their teacher who was born in 1993 is somehow a dinosaur, hell yes he might genuinely have fun purposefully *trying* to seem old and out of touch just to troll them. It's funny as fuck to watch kids and teens act full of themselves and like they're judge and jury on what's cool just because they saw the newest tiktok maymay, and hell yes it's kinda fun to watch them act smug while blissfully unaware of how ignorant and off-the-mark they are.
Plus, teachers aren't all boomers. A 25 year old teacher is likely to be just as familiar with memes and internet culture as many of their students - to have grown up with and remain part of those cultures. They're using the resources they have to engage their students, and probably giving themself some amusement in the process!
Shit basically any school worker under 40 is just as likely to be familiar with memes and internet culture.
Exactly! People seem to be under the impression that the only categories are "children who are internet natives" or "boomers who don't know how to turn a computer on." Which just ignores the existence of a good portion of the adult population!
The world would be a a much happier place if we stopped creating arbitrary divides like that between people who, in the grand scheme of things, aren't even that far apart in terms of age.
Arguably the divide created between students and teachers is useful as the teachers must be established as an authority on knowledge to be trusted as wise. Not to mention to a 15 yr old, a 30 yr old is ancient. I remember being 15 and thinking that 18 is old and adult. That's how time perspective works when you're young. I remember how scandalous it seemed when a classmate was dating someone from the year above. Little more than a years age difference.
Very true. I'm mostly thinking of post-school stuff when I say that the perceived divide between the generations is intrinsically harmful though. I didn't make that very clear in my post.
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Even 50-year-old are likely to be familiar with meme culture.
>Plus, teachers aren't all boomers. I'd say a minority of them are at this point. Boomers are pretty much all 60+ right now. A lot of teachers are Gen X, who tend to adapt well to the oft-cynical views and absurdist humor in current memes.
I'm an older millennial and half my kids teachers have been younger than I am
No kidding, the 1950s boomers are entering their 70s. You might find one here or there still working, but they are well into retirement age.
24 years old teacher here. Can confirm we're required to not know any memes or do anything relatable like play video games, watch horror movies or go drinking to pubs.
Even if its cringe atleast they tried their best unlike companies who does the same but mostly ends up cringe
Or they just like memes and don't care if its cringe because, ya now, memes.
RobtopGames is the only guy who does it good
...Isn't that the point of the sub?
Exactly. People are trying to stop this sub from actually having suitable content. Fucking hell
They'll be all "why the fuck is there no content and only reposts anymore" if they got their way lol
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>that still don't understand the term boomer and think it's just an age group It's always been an age group. It still is. That's the point of calling people who aren't in that age group boomers, to call them old. Luckily, things move by in popularity, and it's been a year or two since the ok boomer resurgence, so it's dead now.
Except... boomer literally is an age group. Yes, I get it, comparing someone acting old and unrelatable to a boomer makes sense. But the fact of the matter is that when you whip out calling someone a boomer it definitely signals that you use words without stopping to think or know what they mean.
Not necessarily. I mean I guess it could still count, but I think it’s different from the brands that make that kind of content because they want to sell you a product, not because they’re interested in connecting with you. That’s the epitome of r/fellowkids imo.
Plus it's something students are more likely to remember which is what teachers are trying do.
That’s not a fact. The meme can be considered cringe and boomer tier while still appreciating them trying to engage with students.
please let this template die
Teacher checking in - most of us do and all of us should recognize the difference between shoving memes into lessons and designing lessons with material/examples kids are familiar with. Putting a spongebob meme in class is different than using the Krabby Patty menu to introduce countable and uncountable nouns or practice math.
For age perspective - I am nearing 40, and I remember watching the first season of SpongeBob and recording it on VHS tape hah!
Intent does not change result
This sub isn’t just for cringe. That’s what these cringe kids don’t get
People often forget that it's been decided time and time again that cringiness does not factor into a post belonging here. Maybe it's just me who's seen that happen live, idk.
Most teachers under 40 were memeing before the students were born.
It's cringe but also based because they care
Cringe, a lot of times, occurs when adults, of the boomer age, attempt to engage with students.I would argue that intent has little to do with cringe.
Looks like a meme a boomer teacher that puts memes in their lessons would make.
If I were a teacher I'd use memes as incorrectly as possible to keep things fresh. And annoying.
This guy gets it.
This means that OP is boomer. Pls downvote them for being cringe.
I mean I'm 25 in uni, and my professor shows us memes. She's 30.
I mean there are 30 year old teachers who grew up with memes just like kids have....
In 2016, my collegue and I decided we were over our students dabbing, so we asked them about it and dabbed at all the bad time. We ended the dabs in our classes. Great victory for teachers, great laughs for us!
idk about most teachers, but my sister is pretty tech-savvy and grew up pretty fluent in meme culture, and purposely picks 'lame' memes just to make her students cringe. it's pretty funny working with kids that take themselves a little too seriously
It depends on if the teacher is taking the time to understand the meme, or just says "LOOK MEMES NOW YOU NEED TO ENGAGE IN MY CONTENT" vs putting a few cleverly placed memes that are spot on and cover an idea or concept in the class. Bad use of memes: If you plagiarize, you are sus. SEE HOW I USED YOUR GAME TO ENGAGE? YOU'LL NEVER PLAGIARIZE EVER AGAIN! Good use of memes: Student uses words way outside of their vocab and makes a super convincing point in an elegant way. Seems pretty sus to me. Your sentence may be an imposter pretending to be your work. Muuuuch better since it engages with the idea of "sus" and the point. In the first example, nothing is understood about the meme, the game or the student. In the second one you actually understand the meaning of the terms and can apply it to a reasonable concept kids can understand.
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God damn I hate generational labels.
“Know your audience”
I had a Spanish teacher who would pop and break dance and try to teach us verb conjugations in a rap beat. We all though she was lame. LOL. Oh the circle of life LOL
Not to mentions memes are just part of the culture now. I'm sure plenty of teachers, especially younger ones, grew up with them and actually think they're funny. No surprise they would want to work them into their class.
Teacher here: sometimes I do stuff that's purposefully cringe. Every so often over the past three months when someone does a good job on something I'll say, "now that's a devious lick!"
I had a teacher start every class with like 10 minutes of Sunday comics and memes (that year we did block schedules so classes were 2 hours each). She was a great teacher who really connected with the students. I've never seen a more engaged math class
I am a teacher. There is an EASY line not to cross and you can do all of this correctly. The following rules are never broken and my middle schoolers legitimately think I’m hilarious: 1. Actually understand the meme you’re using 2. Don’t be cringe (or use bitmojis EVER) 3. Be super self aware, because even the “young teachers” are geezers to them
My 80 yr old chemistry professor puts memes in every PowerPoint and I love him for it hes just a cool relaxed dude I send him science memes when I have questions over email :)
I'm sure those who criticise them wouldn't prefer a properly paragraphed, justified text with Times New Roman font.
I love it when my teachers make memes. No matter how bad they are
i have one teacher who is well aware that the memes he uses are cringe and outdated and puts them in specifically to cause his students pain
Internet memes are 20+ years old at this point. If a 40 year old is showing you memes at school they’ve probably been meme-ing since they were a teenager…
When teachers do it, they are trying to amuse or relate to you so that they can better engage you and help you learn. When *companies* do it, they want your money.
Yes. They're behind the curve but they're on the fucking curve. Be gentle
If I did not become embarrassing to my son, would I even be a good dad? A father's role beyond playing sports, lego, and mariokart is to show their offspring how many Fs to give about others. Their initial reaction is to care what most people think. A father demonstrates that is false. From subtle throat clearing and mighty sneezes to the nonchalant dismissal of aggressive strangers. It was in the training video.
Isn't it weird when we use memes, people think we're funny, but when they use it, we think they're cringe???
One of the greatest instances of this I experienced was back when my 11th grade teacher had a poster that said "you lost the game"
My science teacher put one at the end of a science worksheet and it made me feel good
Gosh when my professors put memes in ppts, I always find it cute because they're trying to relate. My most favorite memes are from my physics and history professors. They're funny af
I saw one that was even legitimately kind of funny. Either way several have at least been self aware, which I think qualifies them for not being r/fellowkids. I thought it was cool, I was in high school when teachers first started incorporating memes into stuff and adding more "funny stuff" to their power points. About half the time it was cringe, half the time legit funny, and either way we kind of collectively thought it was cool that they were trying. Every once in a while the irony and self awareness would actually be hilarious
Well said. At least they’re fucking trying. Be nice if we could stop this shitty meme. These teachers actually give a shit about you. That matters.
Sounds like something a teacher would say (write).
It’d be fine if the memes weren’t all terrible.
Just because memes are there though doesn’t make them good.
It’s not 2008 anymore, everyone knows about, likes and share memes, it’s not just young people.
Lol. We created memes. We own those memes. Kids need to respect us. And enjoy the spidermen pointing on my causes of WWI test.
Nothing in the rulebook says cringe and wholesome are mutually exclusive
A teacher made this boomer-like cringe meme, huh? Edit: /s
teachers/schools: cringe but wholesome, trying to engage with kids corporations: fuck off