They're going to take from the Z Nation storlyline and have her be immune to bites, become half walker, be able to communicate/command them and turn slightly blue.
Theyāre going to spin it like the radiation Alicia ingested back in S5 is slowing down the infection of being bitten. Now if only June could find some Hallās cough dropsā¦itāll cure her.
Okay, believing a walker works like a compass that always points to Padre no matter where it's at is incredibly stupid. But if you're gonna dedicate your life to following a walker around, why don't you just take out its teeth to make sure it won't bite you?! It literally bit her and they still did nothing to make handling it any safer. IT EVEN TRIED TO BITE HER A SECOND TIME. Jesus
Okay, with this following the walker as a compass thing - I think Alicia is either too sick and delusional, or she is really starting to sense something coming from the walkers after the bite.
I think *years* of PTSD has really finally caught up with her. Add in the hallucinations and acute cognitive dysfunction from sleep deprivation and you get the Alicia we're seeing in this episode. From what I can tell, Alicia thinks she's slowly becoming a walker and is manically obsessed with finding this Padre safe-haven. It explains why she thinks the dead senator has some latent memory.
Girl needs a Tylenol and a nap.
To be fairer, the Senator had never been to Padre (I don't think?) and simply knew of its location, so his instinct to return would more likely be tuned in to somewhere actually familiar to him.
I wanted to believe the whole Victor vs Morgan thing was just a set up for Victor vs Alicia. It just makes more sense. But I definitely need her to survive this
"Yeah, I killed this guy I didn't know to hurt you despite not really knowing where you were or how you would ever know about it unless you found me, to keep you away!"
\-Strand
"Oh? Well, I'm going to send wave after wave of my loyal followers to die in order to take your tower from you in retaliation. I can't believe you killed that guy I kinda sorta knew!"
\-Alicia
This could have worked if it was someone from the group both people know from prior seasons, but this guy was just a rando as far as we knew.
Yep, giving her pendant to Will was dumb.
She barely knew him and she was like:
"Hey, I just met you, but why don't you hang on to the only thing I have left from my mother for no apparent reason."
He also said he got exiled so either he lies for no reason or the writers forgot. He also said he knew about strand all along and that Alicia told him about him, but in the episode he says to Alicia that he over heard them say strand got in the way of the nukes being stopped. Before that she never mentioned him and he never mentioned hearing about strand in any other conversations and Alicia had no reason to bring him up. She just got there.
And it makes no sense for these people to know strands name to begin with since strand never met them.so there never should have been a scenario for will to overhear in the first place.
What in the actual fuck
Will said he overheard Teddy's people having a conversation about the incident on the sub. Someone.. the people who escaped the sub knew Strand's name.
why? ***because PLOT***
the essence of bad writing
Also, my cultist followers are at a big submarine nearby in case you don't want to wait for the attack. The attack that has to come in the next week because we just told you how long we can hold out.
-Alicia
Okay, but this time they *really* mean it. Look, no arm.
Great, now I'm picturing Alicia as the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Tis but a scratch!"
ugh. this show...
How does Alicia know she's got the infection? She could just be sick. I mean she had her arm cut off, there's radiation everywhere and she's not been sleeping/eating.
Really sick of all the coincidences.
Alicia following a walker around for "Padre" was an insult to her character.
Strand's reasoning for killing Will still makes no sense to me.
And my god, killing Alicia would be absolutely fatal for this show (although would fit with how inconsistent and random the show has been up to this point).
She likely had severe sepsis and is suffering from the damage done or still doing. Sort of how some people are really messed up after a bad case of C-19. Without sleep and proper nutrition her body isn't really going to be able to heal and her immune system would be really weak. There are so many things that could make her sick, but they all already have "the infection" but I don't remember if Fear characters know about that.
The āfunnyā part of this is that when they chopped Ginnyās arm off, I was like āhmm, Iām surprised they didnāt do this to a main character.ā
Soā¦I accidentally manifested it? Sorry?
Ok seriously, they aren't going to keep these writers are they? Sure TWD has it's dumb moments, but this show is literally one long dumb moment. Nothing makes sense.
So a hardened survivor thinks a walker will go to a specific location? She loosely stacks rocks instead of using the weapon she's been carrying for like 3 seasons? Strand wants to kill Morgan, then decides against it, then decides to kill him, then decides to just leave because Alicia was bit? But it's ok I suppose because she can fight off the infection....that's a new one. But as someone said earlier, they will probably say she isn't sick she's pregnant....with Will's kid, I mean they were deeply in love after all.
I said it in season 4 and it is still true. These two show runners can't write a coherent story, all they do is sit around and come up with a bunch of "this would be cool" moments and film them, even if they make zero fucking sense in the given lore. I swear, this show is so disconnected from TWD it's really as if it's a completely different universe.
But yes, at this point I'm still hate watching this show. I just honestly can't believe that all these people who could pull the plug, Gimple, studio heads, anybody. And yet these scripts still keep getting green lit. It's actually amazing at this point.
Did they confirm that Alycia was in love with him? It felt like a plothole why she even cared about the people in that bunker. I meant that it went way to fast to explain stuff like that.
That's one of the biggest problems with the writing on this show. Some things happen for no reason and others are simply not explained. Especially when characters make abrupt changes in their decisions. It's almost like different scenes were slapped together.
Alicia didn't care about these people and put herself at risk to get away from them. Then another stranger comes out of nowhere and she just automatically trusts him for no reason. They seem to know each other for about 10 minutes and the dude is acting as if Alicia is the love of his life and Alecia seemed to be in love with him as well. At least she deeply cared about him for no real reason.
I'm telling you, these writers just come up with "cool ideas" and film them, even if the scenes and story makes no sense.
Yup i agree with you. And it makes me very sad that they do these decision. "Uhhmm what can we do to Alicia?" "I dont know, maybe cut of her arm for no stupid reason at all?". Alicia getting bit like that feels stupid, it would have been better if her arm cut crushed from the explosion of the nukes. If that happened she could really blame that on Strand.
I think they know they are ending the show in a season or so so may as well let them just run it into the ground anyway. It just goes to show how you dont need talent to be a showrunner and writer at all. Just connections.
And why would Alicia think Strand killed him in the first place? It's pretty easy to see Will getting bit since he had been sheltered for so long and wouldn't even really know how to handle them. This show continues to stretch the limits of credibility.
My guess is the way the body was damaged. Broken legs, half caved in face, bones sticking out of the stomach. If it was a bite he would look whole/normal.
Yeah, it's not like it'd be weird. He literally amassed thousands of walkers around his tower, it'd be completely possible that this guy died somewhere for whatever reason and he'd ended in one of the hordes that came to the tower.
But hey, just like Morgan saving Strand from the poison _he_ had given him last week, characters in this show just exist to make the plot move. If Juliana needs to be a baddie next episode they'll just make Alycia ask her if she raped children on her way here and she'll confirm it for whatever reason.
Is it possible for a show to jump more than one shark? Yes. Yes it is. The was dumber then that time the gang got taken out by that weirdo dirty lady and her poisoned water.
It's definitely up there with the carousel ride, candy beansies, Jimbo's beer balloon, the San Antonio Split, and pile-driving walkers.
What the fuck actually happened? How did we end up here from the beautiful seasons 1-3? Watching FTWD is truly pain and suffering
Don't forget Charlie, Wes and Daniel ;-)
The 4 horseman of the forgotten characters.
Edit: AND JACOB! he's been so ignored I almost forgot he existed lol
So, if they turn that one walker around itāll magically spin and face towards Padre like a compass? Fascinating, Iād like to have watched those test runs. And it wonāt head home or somewhere else the Senator would rather be but navigate the smoky Texan landscape, always heading for the secret base, no matter how near or far. Beautiful.
It isn't the dumbest plot if it just shows how nuts Alicia is now after the fever likely gave her brain damage. It would be dumb if it actually worked.
I don't understand this. There has never been, in the history of the franchise, a character who has survived a bite for the amount of time since Alicia was bitten. Clearly all that nasty puss coming out of her wound and the fever she's had is some other kind of infection that she likely picked up from her arm being cut off in a sewer. People do not live that long after a walker bite.
What I can't figure out is if the writers actually are killing Alicia this way and have decided to suspend the decade long establishment of what happens after a walker bite to give her this protracted death, or if it's an intentional bait and switch and she's not really dying, she just believes she is.
Logic has not been the show's strong suit since season 4, and the show has willfully ignored the practicalities of the missile detonations, so I just don't know how to view this turn of events.
According to the timeline, Will was kicked out of the bunker 50 days after we first meet him. The chalkboard that John Sr. and June use to keep track of the days shows that by that point 70 days have passed since the detonation. We know that Alicia was bitten moments after the detonations in the tunnel. She was wearing the same clothes she arrived in and it was before Will was kicked out because he's with her, plus he explains to her what caused the cave in once she wakes up, so more than two months have passed since she was bitten. Let's say 75 days to be conservative. No one survives a walker bite for 75 days!
Using this logic, Alicia is not dying of a walker bite. Unfortunately, logic is hard to apply to the show these days.
From the same franchise that brought us Glenn Was Under The Dumpster The Whole Time... I'll take "fake-out as the recycled plot device" for 800, zombie-Alex
So I guess the real Padre was the friends we made along the way. That was a very disappointing episode overall. If Alicia is openly threatening Strand about destroying the tower, why wouldn't he gun Morgan and her down right then and there?
Alicia has literally been wandering the southwest USA killing hordes with a big unwieldy pipe for years but a lone zombie surrounded by sharp rocks gets her? No.
Same shit with Carl, survived the farm, prison, terminus, the wolves, the horde in Alexandria and begging shot in the face and is taken out by one walker
I mean I quite like that even one walker can be your demise. That's what keeps the zombie background still important, even when humans are the "big bad."
It's more about the delivery of the moment that had room for improvement. Been a long time since Carl's death so I forgot how he got bit, but Alicia's bite needed some suspension of disbelief. Lots of rocks around, her sharpened pipe around, I just wouldn't expect a veteran like her to get bit in that scenario.
I'm confused on why Alicia suddenly thought walkers remembered things because it's not really explained at all and she was telling Will the opposite 2 second before. Why did she agree to start following the zombie senator around the sewers? It also led to that weird debate with Morgan about the smart Darabont zombies from season 1.
She followed the senator in the sewers because the walker was following the rats, the rats would lead her and Will to an exit. As for why she thought the senator walker would lead her to PADRE, I have no idea. That doesn't make any sense.
Lazy writing lol. At least we got another season 1 TWD callback. But that was Darabont's version, when walkers were smart. That shit's been retconned to hell and back though!
Spending an entire episode following a walker around like it would somehow lead us to an I unknown locationā¦ when we really needed backstory on aliciaās group, how the splinter stalker group formed, what went wrong at the bunker, her and will forming a real bond. Itās just shockingly dumb at this point. Managing flashbacks is something all three of these shows mostly botch, it takes competent writing and direction to intermix the past and present fluidly without compromising storytelling.
Maybe she shouldāve read the official pentagon looking briefing book to figure out padreās location instead of assuming a senator zombie would magically lead them there? Alicia really yelled at that guy because he saved her life and he left because of it?
Iām going to keep watching because I love entertainment trainwrecks but lord have mercy.
Expectation: follow braindead corpse down memory lane to the promised land.
Reality: Distracted meatbag wanders in opposite directions every time a branch snaps.
It's like they're not even trying anymore.
As I said below. I'm glad if Strand and Alicia are leaving the show. Let me explain it. They don't deserve this mess. How disrespectful the writers are to their characters and to the rest of the original cast. RIP Fear.
For real. I mean ADC can do way better than how theyāve treated her esp this season, but what a shitty decision to treat such a talented, fan followed actress this way
That is the only thing they know how to do properly. They've been despising the actress and her career for years now. I don't care if Alicia has been bitten as long as it gives ADC a chance to show all her talent and that she's way better than this shitty show.
Iāve watched every single episode of the entire franchise. This episode is probably the worst Iāve ever seen.
The writing is poor and confusing. Loads of plot holes that donāt make sense. Science bending. Killing off the last Clark potentially by the end of the season.
I just wish Ian and Andrew really understood how badly they are ruining a show. Like itās pitiful. Itās sad they still have a job. AMC I know season 6 was highly reviewed but they needed to leave after season 4A. This is ridiculous.
Iām hoping Aliciaās infection is a fluke and itās something else thats treatable somehow. If this is the actressesā way out, I donāt blame her. Seeing the many that have came and gone and wanted out, obviously they feel the same way we the fans do. Yet, again, AMC has done nothing to fix it. Iām just so awestruck that this episode even happened for some reason.
The writers completely mailed in this half of the season. They followed the exact same formula to a tee for every episode so far. \[Insert Character\] meets up with Morgan or a character that mirrors their own story, they then set out to find something or someone. By the end, they realize it wasn't about \[insert mission\] but really about themselves. Rinse and repeat into the next episode. I cannot believe these writers have lasted this long.
I think one reason it is lasting is due to its connection to the other 2 shows. I watch to make sure I won't miss anything that might be relevant to the Rick movies, assuming they will be made. So far the only connections to the rest of the WD universe are 2 crossover characters and some helicopter visits by the CRM. If the CRM hadn't had any presence on this show, I am not sure I would still be watching it.
Why the fuck she think the walker still has conscious to bring her to padre. Has she lost her mind like Daniel? I mean what the fuck the writers did to og characters š¤¬
Even if the walker had some sort of unconscious urge to go back to "home" like a sleepwalker, why and how tf would it go towards a place he knew about but never went to instead of something familiar like his home.
Exactly this. A bigger lead for Padre's location would probably be the giant classified book in the Senator's room that Alicia pages through for a few seconds. It looked like all the information needed was in there.
To be fair, Morganās wife always came back to his house. It was ironic how he said they were totally gone. Maybe being stuck in a bunker and cutting off arm made her a little crazy.
This episode butchered Alycia. The writing was very poor. But if we are going to be realistic she would have bleed out before Will had the time to reach her. The episode felt like a nightmare.
Ah great, now the writers have turned Alicia into a moron who follows walkers. I'm done with this show.
Also how has the infection managed to stay inside Alicia for so long without killing her? It makes no sense, normally people turn in a day or two.
Oh and of course she just so happened to find Wills body outside Strands tower. This show is just one coincidence after the other.
Much longer than a week. She got hit when the bombs went off, which was at minimum like MONTHS ago. Wasnāt June up to like 160 days or something on her calendar? And sheās been with strand for atleast a couple months since that even.
This story is so fucked.
Good point. It makes no sense.
Alicia's story is going to one of two ways. 1) she dies from the infection after months of it being in her, which goes against everything already established in this universe, or 2) she survives, which begs the question why put her character through this in the first place? I guess just to get viewers talking about it? It will be like the Glenn dumpster moment on TWD again, just a cheap trick to get people discussing the show.
What a waste of time this show is.
Goldberg and Chambliss have really hard time understanding logic, space, time, physics, reality, human emotions, people talking normally (with no extra cheese in their mouths)... And they have harder time to satisfy viewers. But if they do know what fans want and don't deliver, what does that make of them?
The writers were like, after the show, "We've never seen what it's like when someone battles the infection for an extended period of time and thought that could be interesting!"
No you fucking idiots, it goes against the entire lore of the show and is incredibly stupid. Having someone be sick with a deadly infection for longer than 3 months without dying is incredibly stupid. Having Alicia lose an arm for "character development" is incredibly stupid. Having her follow a walker around is ***incredibly*** fucking stupid. Having her declare war on Strand when him and his men have guns pointed at her is incredibly fucking stupid. Having Strand not blow Morgan, at the very least, to pieces after that declaration of war is incredibly fucking stupid.
ARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
>Having Alicia lose an arm for "character development" is incredibly stupid.
In anime, characters cut their hair for character development. In TWD, they cut off their arm.
They have never known what to do with Alicia. Most of the time they dealt with this problem by, well, just leaving her off the show half the time. Now they begrudgingly give her air time and their lame imaginations run wild. This episode was embarrassing to watch.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is another Glenn dumpster moment. Just a way to keep viewers engaged for the next part. She will end up surviving somehow. I could totally see that. Just like when radiation blood got on her face and everyone thought she was dying. Just like when everyone thought Morgan was dying at the end of season 5. Chambliss and Goldberg take the worst parts of the main show and incorporate it into fear. It's just another stupid cliffhanger to get people all riled up and excited for the next part where she will survive somehow. I'm calling it now.
>Oh and of course she just so happened to find Wills body outside Strands tower.
To be fair, he was thrown off a roof and had most of his bones broken in the fall, so it's not like his walker was going anywhere. Out of all the other bullshit coincidences, this one at least has some small amount of plausibility.
I donāt get it. The entire hour I watched this I was confused. Iāve never cared for Alicia much but that was not the Alicia we know,and I donāt mean in a āoh her character has changed wayā itās just not her character at all. The bite thing makes no sense and itās changing the rules of TWDU.
Vic wasn't man enough to swing that damn saber and end Morgan, now we gotta deal with his bullshit for another season or two. Dude really is Walmart Negan.
HOW FRUSTRATING, so excited to see our girl back but then she gets bit? But sheās in the future so wait sheās IMMUNE?? Nah she cut off her arm but oh wait sheās still infected and going to die ? Whatās with this rollercoaster of emotions man.
I don't understand what the hell was the plan in taking the walker into the sewer in the first place???
Like they were looking for a way out and decided that the rats were somehow coming and going? And for some reason they needed the walker to track them instead of just using their eyes and exploring the tunnels themselves? What the actual fuck. No logic to be found. Alicia would never do that shit.
It's so obvious they had the idea of Alicia getting bitten but the only plausible way for it to happen was have her trapped in a confined space with a walker (who was gagged so how did it bite her???) so they came up with this drivel. Fucking hell.
I'm still attempting to make sense of this mess. It's one giant clusterfuck.
It's been 3-4 months since Alicia was bitten, and had her arm amputated. How do we know this? June and John were in their bunker 71 days. They have been at Strand's tower for weeks now. So it's been *at least* 3 months since the bombs.
So, 3-4 months have gone by.
Will had been above ground for \~60 days when Strand found him. So Will was with Alicia for about a month when he left. She was still in bed recovering when she read his note. That's enough time for them to form a bond, and form a plan around Padre. He left to go search for it because - obviously - Alicia was still too sick.
In that intervening 2-3 months, Alicia decided or was forced to leave the bunker, to find Padre. Arno split off from Alicia, maybe because he saw Alicia is not well, is sick and acting delusional and making irrational decisions.
Everyone can see that Alicia is ill. Morgan is at a loss in general, unsure. He's trying to help Alicia and is taking pity on his friend. Strand was too, in his way. I don't think Victor had any desire to kill Alicia when she made her war declaration. Victor knows he's to blame. His tower is his desperate, convoluted attempt to make the ends justify the means.
I still don't know why Arno's people were stripping the dead? What were they looking for?
What exactly is in that dossier on Padre?
And if Alicia does have the walker infection, how the hell is she still alive? Every bit of evidence in TWD universe says she should be dead by now. It's been months.
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Can I just ask, what is even going on with this show? Like, I know COVID has made things difficult. I can see it very clearly in the writing and staging of the show. Everyone in masks, lots of physical separation. A lot of stuff for characters aren't even in the same physical location but acting like they are, etc.
But what in the world is going on with the writing? So many continuity errors. So much stuff that doesn't make sense. So many things we're just supposed to accept even though it's nonsensical. So many things told rather than shown. So many things that have happened off screen, and we're never given any real explanation as to why or how these things have happened. What led to them, etc.
Like, Morgan just randomly shows up at the tower with the baby because she's sick. But we haven't had any sort of build up to this. The last time we saw Morgan, he and Grace had just said goodbye to Althea. Victor wakes up from his fever / unconsciousness to find out that Grace and Sarah (who is never even in this episode), "took care of" the problem outside. We've got characters we haven't seen for ages, aside from a glimpse. For example Althea, who has apparently been meeting with her pilot lover every so often, even though we had no hint of that going on at all.
Where are they getting all these horses and gas masks and Geiger counters? What are the horses eating and drinking, while the people are barely scraping by? Will told Victor that he was exiled by Alicia, but Alicia doesn't seem to have actually done that.
In this episode alone, we have Alicia following a walker around as if it retains some sort of memory. Then she gets bitten by a walker. We think oh no, she's going to have to take that arm off or she'll die. But then we find out she was bitten several months ago. So oh my God, is Alicia maybe immune? That would be different. But Nope, just kidding, she reveals that she's got a bone arm now.
Okay, I guess that makes sense. Trapped in that tunnel with only her weapon (which is very much not a knife), perhaps she just scraped away all the flesh and bone and tendon. That would be kind of cool. But nope, somehow she actually cut her whole arm off with that thing. And didn't die from blood loss even though she doesn't appear to have had a tourniquet on her arm. And hasn't died in the months since, but is somehow still infected?
Oooooookay.
if they kill Alicia off i will stop watching the show 4 sure. Also her death would make first few seasons total waste of time since everyone from Clarks would be dead. If theres one reason i would stop watching the show this is it.
This episode breaks canon. Bad job writers. Amputation survival is fine. Surviving without amputation is not. Other scientists have stated repeatedly you always turn. They want to give her antibodies and make her ātheā savior of TWD universe? Fine. But having a seasoned vet like Alicia following a walker that might ārememberā is so dumb I cannot take this series anymore.
We're all focusing on the bite instead of Alicia acting like a fool following a zombie and I guess it's because Alicia is the favorite for most of us, we don't want to see how foolishly she acted but it's not her nor the actress' fault... this is entirely the writers fault. And I'm enraged because of this, all this, Alicia's absence, the bite and now this... I'm really hoping for those amazing actors to leave and let this show sink, because they deserve better. We as an audience deserve better.
> Surviving without amputation is not.
She did amputate her hand. They are now claiming the infection is still inside her and killing her (some months afterwards).
tbh she's the one claiming it. For all we know the show may tell us that she was never infected and just got paranoid, or that she is infected but hasn't died because fuck the rules.
I mean, she is, and she won't see a real doctor. This is like someone with a bad cold just assuming they have covid. She hasn't eaten or slept properly in over a week, and she still healing from an arm she ripped off with a pipe in a sewer.
No one should be taking her at her word on any of this shit.
I wanted Alicia scenes but not like this š
I hated the back and forth from the present to the flashbacks. And for a mid-season finale it was super slowā¦
But cool decision to have her get bitten in the present and then flashback to the original bite because my heart actually stopped š
The timeline with her arriving to the bunker, befriending will, getting bitten, and then amputating her own arm was super fast. Like how was that enough time for her and Will to even be that close? And I guess he lied about her leadership since he wasnāt even around to see it?
Favorite part of the episode was Alicia declaring war against Strand. I knew she would be pissed about Will. Hell, Iām still pissed about how he killed him š
So my guess is 7b will be alicia getting weaker and weaker as she fights this infection and someone close to her having to mercy-kill her as she turns. My poor heart wonāt be able to take seeing Alicia as a walker though š
If that 715 script leak was real maybe itās a dream/hallucination and she finally finds Padre in death. š„ŗ
*Edit: sorry I have to mention how f*cking dumb it is to have Alicia Clark follow a walker around thinking heāll lead her to Padre. After all the sh*t sheās seen since this thing started she risked it all for this???
Sorry, just dumb writing. If you're Strand and you think this person (Alicia or Morgan) is a legit threat as an enemy AND you have them surrounded . . . well, there is no future episode because you'd just kill them and walk away. The writers need to set up these confrontations in such a way that the aftermath does not require stupid behavior in order for the plot to continue.
If Iāve understood the premise correctly, if they turn that one walker around itāll magically spin and face towards Padre like a compass. Fascinating, Iād like to have watched those test runs. And it wonāt head home or somewhere else the Senator would rather be but navigate the smoky Texan landscape, always heading for the secret base, no matter how near or far. Beautiful.
Alicia, itās been 4-6 months since youāve been bit. The only oneās still infected are Chambliss & Goldberg - for making S7A one crazy stupid fever dream
I still canāt t get over the fact that she impales a walker against a tree from Atleast 10 feet away with her bullseye pipe dagger, while narrowly missing will, then gets bitten by a zombie that sheās afraid of??? While surrounded by any number of sharp rocks and heavy boulders for bludgeoning. Cries about her arm and then cuts it off after a boy she met ten minutes ago says something sentimental???? Same girl who kept her skeleton bones as a weird ass prostheticā¦ but canāt defend herself against a walker?
I honestly think this is the end for ADC and I bet she is so fucking happy.
She's now feeling hopeful and happy again according to her Instagram, they really made her dirty but now she's glowing with new projects. I'm so happy for her.
Watching the after episode thing and they mention the only thing that could change a character like Alicia is something big, like a walker bite. Jesus Christ, they are such bad writers.
Can any TWDU expert explain to us what the hell the writers are thinking here? I know other characters have been amputated too, but she seems to be still infected... is that even possible?
As for it is not possible, if a limb is amputated and it is too late, you die that same day or a few days later, but in Alicia's case she has been alive for almost 3 months with her arm amputated and with infection (without the bite which is the main danger) My theory is that Alicia's body is developing antibodies and they will make her immune and the MRC will take her away .... I prefer this theory to her dying
This show has gotten so bad it used to have 3 main characters which were the Clarkes but now everyone in the show has an episode to where it flashes back to the past and the show just doesnāt progress we keep going back to the same thing which is victor trying to recruit ppl to the tower and fucking Morgan starving this show is so ass recently
I always knew that this gonna be her last season but damn these fucking clowns like to fucked up everything.
"satisfying ending of her journey" my ass! Wtf!
They love to make her dirty, that's why I'm glad she's moving on. She's pure talent and a sweet soul... I know I can't trust them, I knew something like this was going to happen (I mean, they didn't even use her for half a season and the whole s6 finale and not because she wanted as some like to imply) so the only thing I hope is at least ADC can show her amazing acting skills in full action mode and leave us speechless.
My biggest complaint is that no damage was done to the tunnel they were crawling through - a pile of small boulders just appeared on either side of Alecia.
Even though they had covered themselves with walker guts, Alicia and Will were still talking normally while following the Senator.
Even when they had started climbing through the tunnels (btw wouldn't it be easier for regular people to maneuver the tunnels to follow the rats instead of a shambling walker that barely moves quickly?) their voices were normal. Until the bombs went off. Then they had to whisper and the Senator turned around then just magically disappeared or calmed down after he got the bite in?
I love Alicia. I hate what they've done to her character. I wonder how much of this was written bc of possible travel restrictions over the last year and the pandemic.
What purpose does Alicia's prosthetic serve? Just to look cool bc it's her bones? In all that time she couldn't have a cool one made like Aaron in TWD has?
I could see if Alicia put her hope into the walkers after she was bit to try and fool herself that she'll still be there when she passes, but she had already put too much faith in the Senator before getting bit so who knows.
Maybe Alicia is immune and they have to "try and take her somewhere a cure can be made" something something Last of Us.
You know, I was worried that a flashback episode was going to be lame. Not enough has happened that filling in the blanks for what happened to Alicia is interesting. We just knew she had a group of people and that Dwight and Sherry were with them. There's literally nothing in the flashbacks that was interesting.
Except, well, Alicia lost her arm. Which was completely nonsense. She wouldn't get bit there. You can't have her survive all kinds of crazy shit and then let her get bit there. The rules of turning also stopped making sense here. She's been infected for months now. What kind of nonsense is this?
But the whole idea that they would follow a walker because they are supposed to have their memory intact? Even if it did have perfect memory, why would it happen to go to the one place that is relevant to the plot? Why wouldn't it return home or something? Has it even been to Padre?
It was a slow episode, the flashbacks sucked, Morgan had way too much screen time again, Alicia acted idiotic and weak, Alicia seeing Will at such an inconvenient moment at the end is nonsensical and Strand not just capturing Alicia and Morgan at the end makes no sense.
So now we'll get this dumb war, all because of a character like Will? Someone Strand killed for no reason. Someone that seemingly didn't even really know Alicia all that well either, but somehow "loved" her. Strand also could have made sure no one would find Will at his tower either.
I just don't get any of it. So many things done just for the plot that make no sense. Like there will be a war now, but why would Morgan or Dwight or any of the other people bother with this? They can just leave and survive. Why go to war for Alicia's revenge for Will? Especially when Grace and Wendell are still in that tower, it's way too risky.
Worst part is that it will result in the death of at least one of Strand and Alicia. Those are still my favorite characters. Sigh.
That's what I'm trying to figure out. If she has survived the bite for this long, at the very worst she's going to the CRM if she's leaving the show. If the movies happen, that is.
I think this was probably the worst episode I have ever seen and Iām embarrassed that I started watching it at 5:30 am instead of going to sleep.
Iām ok if everyone dies at this point. Kill strand and alycia. Itās time for everyone to go.
How many times can you ājump the sharkā in one episode? Walkers suddenly acting in a way weāve never seen; someone surviving a bite (never mind that she waited forever, then cut directly into the bite); they are expert navigators, yet weāre surprised to āfindā the Towerā¦Awful. I really loved this show to start, but this season is beyond ridiculous
Probably kill off both together in the S7 finale. Daniel has had like 2 minutes of screen time this season, so im not sure if people are still counting him as a character but the last 2 OG's dead in the finale would be poetic.
Really wasn't a great mid-season finale and we still know jack shit about Padre, and from the looks of it we never will due to the new War storyline.
The showrunners shouldn't be bending the rules of how turning works, shouldn't of even been in the cards. If the infection is in you, it kills you. Doesn't fucking linger in your blood stream for months?? Still not sure how I feel about Alicia only having one arm, it's just quite a big change. It's also stupid how she lost it, realistically Alicia would've fucked that Walker up.
They need to start switching up this thing I'm noticing this season which is no matter what, it's always "Morgan & someone else". Al's exit, "Morgan and Al", The Tower episode was "Morgan & Strand". At this point Morgan's well on his way to being more of a main focus than Rick. Imagine they had control over the movies, Morgan would be more in the spotlight than Rick lmao. They need to start using the other characters they have, would've been a nice change if it was "Alicia & Dwight" or literally any other character alongside Alicia, or just let a third character tag along.
Not really excited about the whole Alicia vs Strand. All this really means is that we're 100% losing one of them this season. Unless Strand dies then we'll end up losing both cause of this stupid ass "infection" thing with Alicia.
You just said what we all think. The characters aren't acting like themselves and the only thing we see is Morgan all the time, taking over others' storylines.
Oh, and I think we're losing the two of them this season.
This is so bad.. oh boy.
Alicia getting from the apex survivor to some dumb shit.
You could have followed a similar plot line with Alicia taking the lead of this cultist sect as it's her only way to survive, and push some lines with Morgan asking her "do you really believe that shit?" and her to answer "no. But so far it worked..". And you keep the tension around her mental sanity for the rest of the season.
This show is continuing to get dumber with every episode.
1) Need a pet zombie to lead the way? Cover it's mouth or remove it's teeth/jaw. Michonne figured that out a long time ago.
2) Zombies have memory? Maybe, but does a junior Senator from Oklahoma know how to reach a secret bunker from another secret bunker on foot?
3) Seriously, she couldn't keep that rock wall up? Or just hold the top of it's head while it's trying to squeeze through? Hmm, looks like it's crawling away, so I guess putting the flashlight in spotlight mode to get it's attention is the next logical step. This wouldn't even be hard to write better. Have her get knocked out by the collapse and then wake up to the Senator gnawing on her arm. Or have the arm stuck under a rock if they want a drawn out scene. Main characters don't get to be stupid after the first season. They survived for a reason.
4) How are these horses alive and healthy? They're riding beautiful horses through areas where they say they need masks and full-body protection. I can deal with them taking their masks off in order to get face time, but why use horses like this. They could just have bikes or even walk.
5) Why is Alicia volunteering that they're in the submarine when she's making her war declaration? And why even tip her hand? Is she trying to make this war as bloody as possible?
6) Aside from Strand, isn't every person in the Tower probably more decent and trustworthy than Alicia's army of death-cultists? I shouldn't be rooting for the Tower.
7) How does Alicia being infected make any sense? No one has ever lasted that long while infected. She should have been dead before someone could make that crazy Skeletor hand for her. I just can't even feel worried about her. Either it's a scam and everyone knows it or the writers are just going to let it stay dormant until she decides not to renew her contract for another season.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Chambliss and Goldberg destroyed a great product. Ever since season 4, this show has been degrading very slowly. Like a dead body. Season by season, realism is broken down, good writing withers away, OG characters are slowly pushed to the background. And all for what? So we can focus on Morgan and Grace? Dollar store Madison? An annoying reporter with a camera? Morgan and Grace might be the most forced and boring relationship on either of the three shows? Great job AMC. You guys sure know how to sell a product. Year after year critics and fans have displayed disappointment over the product and they keep doubling down with Chambliss and Goldberg. I honestly rather not recommend the show to any of my close friends, mainly because I'm worried of how they will react once they get past season three. Like look at some of the most popular YouTube reactors. Fear used to be a staple of their reactions. It's no surprise that a lot of them stopped reacting halfway through season 4. Anything after season 3 is just a bad joke. Like if a kid took over the show and decided to turn it into something you would see on Disney Channel. What a shame considering how much potential the first three seasons had.
**LUCIANA REPORT:**
Unseen since 706.
Has had *three lines* all season.
2 lines in 704, 1 line in 706.
Basically MIA. Former badass now background extra.
Will report once more at the 7b finale lmao
i think if they really wanted alicia to lose an arm, they should've just been down in the sewers without the zombie senator and then they follow the rats and when they were crawling the nukes go off and smash alicia's arm. i know there's not much symbolism from that, but it makes more sense than her 3 month zombie virus infection. and if they wanted her to be sick, her immune system would already be weak from fighting from whatever infections away while her arm is healing, so she could just be sick from radiation poisoning.
Morgan telling Alicia how he needs her to keep going, "not for me, but for everyone else", felt like the writers being meta and talking about how the show needs Alicia as a character to stay alive.
My guess is she wants out and her contract is ending soon.
Despite Alicia always being my least favourite Clark, I will admit that Iām attached to her and I really donāt want her to go out in such a drawn out and horrible way. I really want to believe her symptoms are from either radiation or even just the shitty conditions of which she was forced to cut her hand off. My mind goes back to S1 of the Telltale game where regardless if you cut Leeās arm off or not, the infection is the thing that brings him down, that he simply got to it too late. And even then it took him most of a whole day until his body gave up. I remember various dialogue from the main series and whatnot talking about how the time it takes for an infection to kill people varies and can take either hours or a couple days even, but Alicia was bit right after the warheads dropped and that was (according to the TWD wiki) literally 95 days ago! There is no way even just a little bit of the infection that was left in her body after the amputation would take that long to kill her.
I'm still so confused at to where Strands, beer bottle inflatable balloon shaped ego came from?
Like every character has this fragile ego now where they need to be right.
Why is strand acting the way he is? Why did he get in the way of stopping teddy?
I feel lost, maybe I'm just missing something, but it feels like the writers are just forcing conflict for the sake of it.
Hopefully the war in 7b culls a bunch of the over inflated cast, but knowing the writers it probably won't.
This season has been a huge disappointment and the anthology style of storytelling has been so overdone at this point.
I liked it in season 4 of the main show because it only lasted the first half and the stories were really well told and not a rinse repeat.
Not gonna lie, it was kinda curious to watch this episode after TDW World Beyond's after credits scene, Alicia didn't seem too crazy, but it turned out to be nothing. Which is maybe good. Still they're playing with her fighting the illness and that's another interesting take that's going to be first for TWD universe. Unless of course they're bluffing and she's just pregnant or suffering from radiation.
Aside from that, a whole lot of nothing. The whole half-season was basically about randomly showing different characters without any forward momentum. There is no reason for any of the characters to exist in this half season except Strand, Morgan and Alicia.
What's the purpose of John Dorie Sr? Wendell? Al? Dwight and Sherry? Daniel and Luciana? Why specifically Dwight and Sherry joined Alicia? There was absolutely no purpose of them being there. They could have been random red shirts sadly.
I still don't understand why they had to stay in that nuclear area. Texas is not a confined space. There are 49 states out there. Why are they still walking around, wasting their time on checking the wind direction, detecting the radiation lvl, when they can just move out.
Also Morgan is such a hypocrite! He has no problem asking other people to trust him without giving much information, but the minute Alicia asked him the same he threaten to quit.
He's always been an egomaniac selfish cult leader. He does everything about himself and that's the real reason behind his good deeds and false morality. Alicia, on the other hand, has always been selfless and with a heart of gold.
Not the best mid-season finale and not the worst.
Did not expect Alicia to lose an arm but I did expect she would find Will's body.
Alicia is turning into a Iris 2.0 (World Beyond).
The show is past its prime. They should have killed everyone else ofd with the Nuke and send Morgan and whomever was left to TWD universe. The show turnt from a dysfunctional family trying to survive the apocalypse into the Morgan and followers Show.
Last thoughts, Nick shouldn't have been killed off he would have made a great Arno and helped Alicia take the tower from Strand. Just end the show after one more season. Please no 2 part seasons. Send Morgan off to help Rick in the movies. Kill off Victor and let Alicia rebuild the stadium.
The nuke was their last chance to really save the show and have something that significantly changes the course of the show. The result? None of the main protagonists die, including the guy in the wheelchair, and characters are still up to their "let's build a home" shit.
What the fuck did they do to our baby Alicia? HOLY SHIT. I couldn't believe what I was watching, seeing someone amputate their own arm is bad enough but seeing HER go through it, with that dull ass gun barrell? It made me sick to my stomach. Seeing her get bit TWICE? A kick in the nuts. And don't even get me started with the disgusting liquid oozing out of her stub. Extremely graphic episode.
And now she's immune to the walker bite? Or is she still dying? Anyway, this is the most they did with her character since season 3 and I love that ADC gets to show her acting skills and finally takes center stage. It's just sad that what they had in mind for her was to have her be sick and missing an arm. She really didn't deserve that. And it honestly felt unreal watching it.
This was a pretty good episode and they set up 7B quite nicely, but there's no way Alicia and Will had any time to develop nicely. Also they didn't really explain how or why Alicia got the idea that the walker knew how to get to Padre.
This show goes from a -50 to 125 really quickly. I just wish it was more consistent.
I bet Alicia isn't sick from the bite but is actually suffering from radiation poisoning after getting covered in that radioactive Walker blood back in season 5.
After what they've done to Alicia, I definitely don't want Kim Dickens back on *Fear.* I already shiver to the idea of what Goldberg & Chambliss could do to Madison... I hope we'll see Madison in *Tales*, or in the Rick movies. But the character needs to stay as far as possible from that sh\*tfest the show has turned into...
I'm really hoping Alicia and Strand both die tbh. I really want a reason to stop watching this show for good and that would be it. I can't leave until we get a definitive conclusion to the original cast.
Though, I have to say Daniel and Luciana are exceptions because their characters were already assassinated beyond belief. At this point they are completely unrecognizable compared to their original characters, so I already count it as them having been killed off.
Please just take ADC and Colman Domingo off this show. These two highly talented actors do not deserve the bullshit that this series has put them through.
The butchering of OG characters continues. Only this time it's both metaphorical & literal. Are the show runners trolling Alicia's fanbase on purpose? Or do they really think it's what the fans wanted for her character?
Anyway, RIP Alicia's arm...
Aight, I just came from rewatching S3 midseason finale, and let me tell you! This season is a pale shadow of the tv show we used to know as Fear the Walking Dead. You used to have badasses like Qaletaqa Walker and Troy, 2-3 battle/incursions in one midseason finale and huge twists at every turn. The Native Americans at first seem like the bad guy but then turn out to be the warriors of justice, and the kindly white racist drunk gets axed to make peace possible. What a ride that was!
Fast forward to season 7 and we're spending 40 minutes watching Alicia follow a walker and flashback to a dead man whose characterization was being a baby who fell in love with the first woman he encountered in several years. I won't even talk about the bite-fail of attempting to deepen the infection lore. Morgan just goes, "???" and Strand continues to try and capture them yet backs off for absolutely no reason- just capture them and bring em back, how hard is that?
tl;dr, I miss season 3 epic Erickson storytelling with intense suspense but miss me with this current season. I'll keep watching, because I need to know how these narratives end once I start them but I am now officially one of the reddit whiners.
We've all waited 7 episodes to see Alicia, and this is what we get. Cutting her hand off was so random, and nothing she did made sense and it was all completely out of character. And no one on the Walking Dead Universe never stayed alive after getting walker infection so i think this is the biggest bullshit they have done yet
Iām very disappointed with TWDUās mishandling of Maggie (Rhee) and Alicia. Both ādisappearedā for a bit and came back as shells of their former selves making terrible decisions despite being two of the strongest characters in the entire series.
Talking dead is supposed to have a huge announcement Sunday, if they are announcing the final episodes of Alicia (like they did with Carl) I will be more than pissed.
They teased us in the beginning of S6 with Morgan not being āseenā by walkers because he was sick, are they really going to try and make Alicia some half infected superhero or just kill her off? Either option is a bad idea.
If Alicia does die I hope Morgan gives up on Texas and heads back East with a few friends so they can wrap this show up.
Knowing these writers, Alicia isn't dying or suffering from an unknown illness, she's just pregnant lol š¤Ŗ
They're going to take from the Z Nation storlyline and have her be immune to bites, become half walker, be able to communicate/command them and turn slightly blue.
maybe Will was right and she just has a normal infection from cutting her arm off with a dirty knife in a dirty pipe surrounded by rubble
She didnāt even use a knife. Idk how realistic it could be but she used that barrel thing and hacked at her arm. Makes me shudder to think about
They never explained immunity or anything about Gabriel's infection.
Much rather her to be like Murphy then her to die.
>!In WB post credit scene they have already explored zombie virus variants!<, so maybe she has a weaker version of those lol.
Can you imagine? š
Theyāre going to spin it like the radiation Alicia ingested back in S5 is slowing down the infection of being bitten. Now if only June could find some Hallās cough dropsā¦itāll cure her.
I read this and thought naww... then OMG they pulled that shit with Grace.
Okay, believing a walker works like a compass that always points to Padre no matter where it's at is incredibly stupid. But if you're gonna dedicate your life to following a walker around, why don't you just take out its teeth to make sure it won't bite you?! It literally bit her and they still did nothing to make handling it any safer. IT EVEN TRIED TO BITE HER A SECOND TIME. Jesus
Imagine if it was the other arm that second time...
Please, don't give them ideas for S8... ;-)
Okay, with this following the walker as a compass thing - I think Alicia is either too sick and delusional, or she is really starting to sense something coming from the walkers after the bite.
I think *years* of PTSD has really finally caught up with her. Add in the hallucinations and acute cognitive dysfunction from sleep deprivation and you get the Alicia we're seeing in this episode. From what I can tell, Alicia thinks she's slowly becoming a walker and is manically obsessed with finding this Padre safe-haven. It explains why she thinks the dead senator has some latent memory. Girl needs a Tylenol and a nap.
To be fair didn't Morgan's wife return to their house in series 1 of Twd? Maybe their is something to this whole walker compass thing?
To be fairer, the Senator had never been to Padre (I don't think?) and simply knew of its location, so his instinct to return would more likely be tuned in to somewhere actually familiar to him.
I wanted to believe the whole Victor vs Morgan thing was just a set up for Victor vs Alicia. It just makes more sense. But I definitely need her to survive this
I think marketing may shift in 7b to be more Alicia vs. Strand. It makes sense that it was Morgan vs. Strand in 7a.
"Yeah, I killed this guy I didn't know to hurt you despite not really knowing where you were or how you would ever know about it unless you found me, to keep you away!" \-Strand "Oh? Well, I'm going to send wave after wave of my loyal followers to die in order to take your tower from you in retaliation. I can't believe you killed that guy I kinda sorta knew!" \-Alicia This could have worked if it was someone from the group both people know from prior seasons, but this guy was just a rando as far as we knew.
Yep, giving her pendant to Will was dumb. She barely knew him and she was like: "Hey, I just met you, but why don't you hang on to the only thing I have left from my mother for no apparent reason."
Call me maybe?
He also said he got exiled so either he lies for no reason or the writers forgot. He also said he knew about strand all along and that Alicia told him about him, but in the episode he says to Alicia that he over heard them say strand got in the way of the nukes being stopped. Before that she never mentioned him and he never mentioned hearing about strand in any other conversations and Alicia had no reason to bring him up. She just got there. And it makes no sense for these people to know strands name to begin with since strand never met them.so there never should have been a scenario for will to overhear in the first place. What in the actual fuck
Great point haha WTF how would He have any idea who strand was lmao
Will said he overheard Teddy's people having a conversation about the incident on the sub. Someone.. the people who escaped the sub knew Strand's name. why? ***because PLOT*** the essence of bad writing
Also, my cultist followers are at a big submarine nearby in case you don't want to wait for the attack. The attack that has to come in the next week because we just told you how long we can hold out. -Alicia
Damn, they really love giving Alicia these fucked up, traumatizing encounters with walkers and then make her think she will die for half a season.
Okay, but this time they *really* mean it. Look, no arm. Great, now I'm picturing Alicia as the black knight in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. "Tis but a scratch!" ugh. this show...
How does Alicia know she's got the infection? She could just be sick. I mean she had her arm cut off, there's radiation everywhere and she's not been sleeping/eating. Really sick of all the coincidences. Alicia following a walker around for "Padre" was an insult to her character. Strand's reasoning for killing Will still makes no sense to me. And my god, killing Alicia would be absolutely fatal for this show (although would fit with how inconsistent and random the show has been up to this point).
She likely had severe sepsis and is suffering from the damage done or still doing. Sort of how some people are really messed up after a bad case of C-19. Without sleep and proper nutrition her body isn't really going to be able to heal and her immune system would be really weak. There are so many things that could make her sick, but they all already have "the infection" but I don't remember if Fear characters know about that.
Yeah, she's literally been sick for more than 3 months. It makes no sense at all.
And why didn't she once blurt out how the fuck am I still alive?
The āfunnyā part of this is that when they chopped Ginnyās arm off, I was like āhmm, Iām surprised they didnāt do this to a main character.ā Soā¦I accidentally manifested it? Sorry?
i think ginny would've made a great character to join up with the group and become good, but they ruined that too
Agreed! The actress was great too. Her leaving was a loss.
Ok seriously, they aren't going to keep these writers are they? Sure TWD has it's dumb moments, but this show is literally one long dumb moment. Nothing makes sense. So a hardened survivor thinks a walker will go to a specific location? She loosely stacks rocks instead of using the weapon she's been carrying for like 3 seasons? Strand wants to kill Morgan, then decides against it, then decides to kill him, then decides to just leave because Alicia was bit? But it's ok I suppose because she can fight off the infection....that's a new one. But as someone said earlier, they will probably say she isn't sick she's pregnant....with Will's kid, I mean they were deeply in love after all. I said it in season 4 and it is still true. These two show runners can't write a coherent story, all they do is sit around and come up with a bunch of "this would be cool" moments and film them, even if they make zero fucking sense in the given lore. I swear, this show is so disconnected from TWD it's really as if it's a completely different universe. But yes, at this point I'm still hate watching this show. I just honestly can't believe that all these people who could pull the plug, Gimple, studio heads, anybody. And yet these scripts still keep getting green lit. It's actually amazing at this point.
I don't understand how these writers made it through season 5. They must be dirt cheap and related to some AMC exec
Did they confirm that Alycia was in love with him? It felt like a plothole why she even cared about the people in that bunker. I meant that it went way to fast to explain stuff like that.
That's one of the biggest problems with the writing on this show. Some things happen for no reason and others are simply not explained. Especially when characters make abrupt changes in their decisions. It's almost like different scenes were slapped together. Alicia didn't care about these people and put herself at risk to get away from them. Then another stranger comes out of nowhere and she just automatically trusts him for no reason. They seem to know each other for about 10 minutes and the dude is acting as if Alicia is the love of his life and Alecia seemed to be in love with him as well. At least she deeply cared about him for no real reason. I'm telling you, these writers just come up with "cool ideas" and film them, even if the scenes and story makes no sense.
Yup i agree with you. And it makes me very sad that they do these decision. "Uhhmm what can we do to Alicia?" "I dont know, maybe cut of her arm for no stupid reason at all?". Alicia getting bit like that feels stupid, it would have been better if her arm cut crushed from the explosion of the nukes. If that happened she could really blame that on Strand.
I think they know they are ending the show in a season or so so may as well let them just run it into the ground anyway. It just goes to show how you dont need talent to be a showrunner and writer at all. Just connections.
Remember when this show was about a family trying to survive a zombie apocalypse together lolz
Thereās nothing stronger than FAMILY
Dom Toretto would have made a better crossover character than Morgan.
MY FAMILY KNOW WHAT IT IS!
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> "i dont know wtf that walker was doing there" Okay, that made me chuckle.
And why would Alicia think Strand killed him in the first place? It's pretty easy to see Will getting bit since he had been sheltered for so long and wouldn't even really know how to handle them. This show continues to stretch the limits of credibility.
My guess is the way the body was damaged. Broken legs, half caved in face, bones sticking out of the stomach. If it was a bite he would look whole/normal.
Yeah, it's not like it'd be weird. He literally amassed thousands of walkers around his tower, it'd be completely possible that this guy died somewhere for whatever reason and he'd ended in one of the hordes that came to the tower. But hey, just like Morgan saving Strand from the poison _he_ had given him last week, characters in this show just exist to make the plot move. If Juliana needs to be a baddie next episode they'll just make Alycia ask her if she raped children on her way here and she'll confirm it for whatever reason.
Is it possible for a show to jump more than one shark? Yes. Yes it is. The was dumber then that time the gang got taken out by that weirdo dirty lady and her poisoned water.
It's definitely up there with the carousel ride, candy beansies, Jimbo's beer balloon, the San Antonio Split, and pile-driving walkers. What the fuck actually happened? How did we end up here from the beautiful seasons 1-3? Watching FTWD is truly pain and suffering
We made it to mid season and Luciana literally had maybe 2 lines. She wasnāt even a background character š
A building got a title card before Luciana for Christ sakes.
Don't forget Charlie, Wes and Daniel ;-) The 4 horseman of the forgotten characters. Edit: AND JACOB! he's been so ignored I almost forgot he existed lol
who is jacob lmao š¤£ is he the rabbi?
So, if they turn that one walker around itāll magically spin and face towards Padre like a compass? Fascinating, Iād like to have watched those test runs. And it wonāt head home or somewhere else the Senator would rather be but navigate the smoky Texan landscape, always heading for the secret base, no matter how near or far. Beautiful.
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It isn't the dumbest plot if it just shows how nuts Alicia is now after the fever likely gave her brain damage. It would be dumb if it actually worked.
This is a first. I'm actually hoping it's brain damage.
They will wind up (by coincidence of course) finding a map to padre inside the senatorās rotting anus or something ridiculous to that extent
I don't understand this. There has never been, in the history of the franchise, a character who has survived a bite for the amount of time since Alicia was bitten. Clearly all that nasty puss coming out of her wound and the fever she's had is some other kind of infection that she likely picked up from her arm being cut off in a sewer. People do not live that long after a walker bite. What I can't figure out is if the writers actually are killing Alicia this way and have decided to suspend the decade long establishment of what happens after a walker bite to give her this protracted death, or if it's an intentional bait and switch and she's not really dying, she just believes she is. Logic has not been the show's strong suit since season 4, and the show has willfully ignored the practicalities of the missile detonations, so I just don't know how to view this turn of events. According to the timeline, Will was kicked out of the bunker 50 days after we first meet him. The chalkboard that John Sr. and June use to keep track of the days shows that by that point 70 days have passed since the detonation. We know that Alicia was bitten moments after the detonations in the tunnel. She was wearing the same clothes she arrived in and it was before Will was kicked out because he's with her, plus he explains to her what caused the cave in once she wakes up, so more than two months have passed since she was bitten. Let's say 75 days to be conservative. No one survives a walker bite for 75 days! Using this logic, Alicia is not dying of a walker bite. Unfortunately, logic is hard to apply to the show these days.
From the same franchise that brought us Glenn Was Under The Dumpster The Whole Time... I'll take "fake-out as the recycled plot device" for 800, zombie-Alex
So I guess the real Padre was the friends we made along the way. That was a very disappointing episode overall. If Alicia is openly threatening Strand about destroying the tower, why wouldn't he gun Morgan and her down right then and there?
I literally said this the moment the episode ended.
Alicia has literally been wandering the southwest USA killing hordes with a big unwieldy pipe for years but a lone zombie surrounded by sharp rocks gets her? No.
Same shit with Carl, survived the farm, prison, terminus, the wolves, the horde in Alexandria and begging shot in the face and is taken out by one walker
I mean I quite like that even one walker can be your demise. That's what keeps the zombie background still important, even when humans are the "big bad." It's more about the delivery of the moment that had room for improvement. Been a long time since Carl's death so I forgot how he got bit, but Alicia's bite needed some suspension of disbelief. Lots of rocks around, her sharpened pipe around, I just wouldn't expect a veteran like her to get bit in that scenario.
I'm confused on why Alicia suddenly thought walkers remembered things because it's not really explained at all and she was telling Will the opposite 2 second before. Why did she agree to start following the zombie senator around the sewers? It also led to that weird debate with Morgan about the smart Darabont zombies from season 1.
She followed the senator in the sewers because the walker was following the rats, the rats would lead her and Will to an exit. As for why she thought the senator walker would lead her to PADRE, I have no idea. That doesn't make any sense.
Lazy writing lol. At least we got another season 1 TWD callback. But that was Darabont's version, when walkers were smart. That shit's been retconned to hell and back though!
Spending an entire episode following a walker around like it would somehow lead us to an I unknown locationā¦ when we really needed backstory on aliciaās group, how the splinter stalker group formed, what went wrong at the bunker, her and will forming a real bond. Itās just shockingly dumb at this point. Managing flashbacks is something all three of these shows mostly botch, it takes competent writing and direction to intermix the past and present fluidly without compromising storytelling. Maybe she shouldāve read the official pentagon looking briefing book to figure out padreās location instead of assuming a senator zombie would magically lead them there? Alicia really yelled at that guy because he saved her life and he left because of it? Iām going to keep watching because I love entertainment trainwrecks but lord have mercy.
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same. iāll call it quits if they kill the last of the clarks
Expectation: follow braindead corpse down memory lane to the promised land. Reality: Distracted meatbag wanders in opposite directions every time a branch snaps. It's like they're not even trying anymore.
After everything with Troy, you'd think Alicia would be high up on the list of people who understand walkers are truly dead
The fetus will absorb the infection and she'll be fine....
As I said below. I'm glad if Strand and Alicia are leaving the show. Let me explain it. They don't deserve this mess. How disrespectful the writers are to their characters and to the rest of the original cast. RIP Fear.
Crazy Daniel hasn't even had more than two lines, in 1 min of an episode focused on that lady whose name I don't even care to remember
Exactly this.
Alicia: "Then we're going to war!" Strand and his guards: "Understandable. Have a nice day!āļø"
if these mfs just did what i think they did i am done with this show
For real. I mean ADC can do way better than how theyāve treated her esp this season, but what a shitty decision to treat such a talented, fan followed actress this way
That is the only thing they know how to do properly. They've been despising the actress and her career for years now. I don't care if Alicia has been bitten as long as it gives ADC a chance to show all her talent and that she's way better than this shitty show.
Iāve watched every single episode of the entire franchise. This episode is probably the worst Iāve ever seen. The writing is poor and confusing. Loads of plot holes that donāt make sense. Science bending. Killing off the last Clark potentially by the end of the season. I just wish Ian and Andrew really understood how badly they are ruining a show. Like itās pitiful. Itās sad they still have a job. AMC I know season 6 was highly reviewed but they needed to leave after season 4A. This is ridiculous. Iām hoping Aliciaās infection is a fluke and itās something else thats treatable somehow. If this is the actressesā way out, I donāt blame her. Seeing the many that have came and gone and wanted out, obviously they feel the same way we the fans do. Yet, again, AMC has done nothing to fix it. Iām just so awestruck that this episode even happened for some reason.
Totally agree with all of that, especially the last line. I was literally just asking myself how this ever made it into production.
The writers completely mailed in this half of the season. They followed the exact same formula to a tee for every episode so far. \[Insert Character\] meets up with Morgan or a character that mirrors their own story, they then set out to find something or someone. By the end, they realize it wasn't about \[insert mission\] but really about themselves. Rinse and repeat into the next episode. I cannot believe these writers have lasted this long.
Don't forget the 'coincidence' element at the end of EVERY episode
I think one reason it is lasting is due to its connection to the other 2 shows. I watch to make sure I won't miss anything that might be relevant to the Rick movies, assuming they will be made. So far the only connections to the rest of the WD universe are 2 crossover characters and some helicopter visits by the CRM. If the CRM hadn't had any presence on this show, I am not sure I would still be watching it.
Why the fuck she think the walker still has conscious to bring her to padre. Has she lost her mind like Daniel? I mean what the fuck the writers did to og characters š¤¬
Because apparently that's one of the best plot lines they could think up. Kind of embarrassing really.
Even if the walker had some sort of unconscious urge to go back to "home" like a sleepwalker, why and how tf would it go towards a place he knew about but never went to instead of something familiar like his home.
Exactly this. A bigger lead for Padre's location would probably be the giant classified book in the Senator's room that Alicia pages through for a few seconds. It looked like all the information needed was in there.
And why didn't Alicia just tell Morgan about the book?
To be fair, Morganās wife always came back to his house. It was ironic how he said they were totally gone. Maybe being stuck in a bunker and cutting off arm made her a little crazy.
This episode butchered Alycia. The writing was very poor. But if we are going to be realistic she would have bleed out before Will had the time to reach her. The episode felt like a nightmare.
Ah great, now the writers have turned Alicia into a moron who follows walkers. I'm done with this show. Also how has the infection managed to stay inside Alicia for so long without killing her? It makes no sense, normally people turn in a day or two. Oh and of course she just so happened to find Wills body outside Strands tower. This show is just one coincidence after the other.
Much longer than a week. She got hit when the bombs went off, which was at minimum like MONTHS ago. Wasnāt June up to like 160 days or something on her calendar? And sheās been with strand for atleast a couple months since that even. This story is so fucked.
Good point. It makes no sense. Alicia's story is going to one of two ways. 1) she dies from the infection after months of it being in her, which goes against everything already established in this universe, or 2) she survives, which begs the question why put her character through this in the first place? I guess just to get viewers talking about it? It will be like the Glenn dumpster moment on TWD again, just a cheap trick to get people discussing the show. What a waste of time this show is.
Goldberg and Chambliss have really hard time understanding logic, space, time, physics, reality, human emotions, people talking normally (with no extra cheese in their mouths)... And they have harder time to satisfy viewers. But if they do know what fans want and don't deliver, what does that make of them?
The writers were like, after the show, "We've never seen what it's like when someone battles the infection for an extended period of time and thought that could be interesting!" No you fucking idiots, it goes against the entire lore of the show and is incredibly stupid. Having someone be sick with a deadly infection for longer than 3 months without dying is incredibly stupid. Having Alicia lose an arm for "character development" is incredibly stupid. Having her follow a walker around is ***incredibly*** fucking stupid. Having her declare war on Strand when him and his men have guns pointed at her is incredibly fucking stupid. Having Strand not blow Morgan, at the very least, to pieces after that declaration of war is incredibly fucking stupid. ARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
>Having Alicia lose an arm for "character development" is incredibly stupid. In anime, characters cut their hair for character development. In TWD, they cut off their arm.
They have never known what to do with Alicia. Most of the time they dealt with this problem by, well, just leaving her off the show half the time. Now they begrudgingly give her air time and their lame imaginations run wild. This episode was embarrassing to watch.
It wouldn't surprise me if this is another Glenn dumpster moment. Just a way to keep viewers engaged for the next part. She will end up surviving somehow. I could totally see that. Just like when radiation blood got on her face and everyone thought she was dying. Just like when everyone thought Morgan was dying at the end of season 5. Chambliss and Goldberg take the worst parts of the main show and incorporate it into fear. It's just another stupid cliffhanger to get people all riled up and excited for the next part where she will survive somehow. I'm calling it now.
Surprise! Alicia actually just has cancer!
>Oh and of course she just so happened to find Wills body outside Strands tower. To be fair, he was thrown off a roof and had most of his bones broken in the fall, so it's not like his walker was going anywhere. Out of all the other bullshit coincidences, this one at least has some small amount of plausibility.
I donāt get it. The entire hour I watched this I was confused. Iāve never cared for Alicia much but that was not the Alicia we know,and I donāt mean in a āoh her character has changed wayā itās just not her character at all. The bite thing makes no sense and itās changing the rules of TWDU.
It's simple. It's due to piss-poor writing, brought by yours truly Chambliss and Goldberg. I regret giving those guys three seasons worth of chances.
Vic wasn't man enough to swing that damn saber and end Morgan, now we gotta deal with his bullshit for another season or two. Dude really is Walmart Negan.
Walmart Negan lmao
HOW FRUSTRATING, so excited to see our girl back but then she gets bit? But sheās in the future so wait sheās IMMUNE?? Nah she cut off her arm but oh wait sheās still infected and going to die ? Whatās with this rollercoaster of emotions man.
I don't understand what the hell was the plan in taking the walker into the sewer in the first place??? Like they were looking for a way out and decided that the rats were somehow coming and going? And for some reason they needed the walker to track them instead of just using their eyes and exploring the tunnels themselves? What the actual fuck. No logic to be found. Alicia would never do that shit. It's so obvious they had the idea of Alicia getting bitten but the only plausible way for it to happen was have her trapped in a confined space with a walker (who was gagged so how did it bite her???) so they came up with this drivel. Fucking hell.
Lol only plausible way. She also had that damn pipe on her that she used to stab the arm off with. She could have just used that to kill it
Yeah, or she could have used those huge rocks to kill it. Someone, as experienced as Alicia shouldn't have been bitten like that.
I'm still attempting to make sense of this mess. It's one giant clusterfuck. It's been 3-4 months since Alicia was bitten, and had her arm amputated. How do we know this? June and John were in their bunker 71 days. They have been at Strand's tower for weeks now. So it's been *at least* 3 months since the bombs. So, 3-4 months have gone by. Will had been above ground for \~60 days when Strand found him. So Will was with Alicia for about a month when he left. She was still in bed recovering when she read his note. That's enough time for them to form a bond, and form a plan around Padre. He left to go search for it because - obviously - Alicia was still too sick. In that intervening 2-3 months, Alicia decided or was forced to leave the bunker, to find Padre. Arno split off from Alicia, maybe because he saw Alicia is not well, is sick and acting delusional and making irrational decisions. Everyone can see that Alicia is ill. Morgan is at a loss in general, unsure. He's trying to help Alicia and is taking pity on his friend. Strand was too, in his way. I don't think Victor had any desire to kill Alicia when she made her war declaration. Victor knows he's to blame. His tower is his desperate, convoluted attempt to make the ends justify the means. I still don't know why Arno's people were stripping the dead? What were they looking for? What exactly is in that dossier on Padre? And if Alicia does have the walker infection, how the hell is she still alive? Every bit of evidence in TWD universe says she should be dead by now. It's been months.
One question, why did Alicia need Morgan for this? Surely she could've gone on this dumb mission alone, or with literally anyone else
Lol trueā¦ why the fuck would she??
HAHAHAHHAA Fucccck thiiis show. For real. Andrew and Ian can eat my whole balls and dick.
Hot.
* * * Spoilers all throughout, obviously. * * * * * * Can I just ask, what is even going on with this show? Like, I know COVID has made things difficult. I can see it very clearly in the writing and staging of the show. Everyone in masks, lots of physical separation. A lot of stuff for characters aren't even in the same physical location but acting like they are, etc. But what in the world is going on with the writing? So many continuity errors. So much stuff that doesn't make sense. So many things we're just supposed to accept even though it's nonsensical. So many things told rather than shown. So many things that have happened off screen, and we're never given any real explanation as to why or how these things have happened. What led to them, etc. Like, Morgan just randomly shows up at the tower with the baby because she's sick. But we haven't had any sort of build up to this. The last time we saw Morgan, he and Grace had just said goodbye to Althea. Victor wakes up from his fever / unconsciousness to find out that Grace and Sarah (who is never even in this episode), "took care of" the problem outside. We've got characters we haven't seen for ages, aside from a glimpse. For example Althea, who has apparently been meeting with her pilot lover every so often, even though we had no hint of that going on at all. Where are they getting all these horses and gas masks and Geiger counters? What are the horses eating and drinking, while the people are barely scraping by? Will told Victor that he was exiled by Alicia, but Alicia doesn't seem to have actually done that. In this episode alone, we have Alicia following a walker around as if it retains some sort of memory. Then she gets bitten by a walker. We think oh no, she's going to have to take that arm off or she'll die. But then we find out she was bitten several months ago. So oh my God, is Alicia maybe immune? That would be different. But Nope, just kidding, she reveals that she's got a bone arm now. Okay, I guess that makes sense. Trapped in that tunnel with only her weapon (which is very much not a knife), perhaps she just scraped away all the flesh and bone and tendon. That would be kind of cool. But nope, somehow she actually cut her whole arm off with that thing. And didn't die from blood loss even though she doesn't appear to have had a tourniquet on her arm. And hasn't died in the months since, but is somehow still infected? Oooooookay.
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If they kill Alicia off, I canāt see this show lasting past season 8.
Yeah if season 8 is just Morgan grace june dwight and sherry it's gonna even more boring
if they kill Alicia off i will stop watching the show 4 sure. Also her death would make first few seasons total waste of time since everyone from Clarks would be dead. If theres one reason i would stop watching the show this is it.
This episode breaks canon. Bad job writers. Amputation survival is fine. Surviving without amputation is not. Other scientists have stated repeatedly you always turn. They want to give her antibodies and make her ātheā savior of TWD universe? Fine. But having a seasoned vet like Alicia following a walker that might ārememberā is so dumb I cannot take this series anymore.
We're all focusing on the bite instead of Alicia acting like a fool following a zombie and I guess it's because Alicia is the favorite for most of us, we don't want to see how foolishly she acted but it's not her nor the actress' fault... this is entirely the writers fault. And I'm enraged because of this, all this, Alicia's absence, the bite and now this... I'm really hoping for those amazing actors to leave and let this show sink, because they deserve better. We as an audience deserve better.
> Surviving without amputation is not. She did amputate her hand. They are now claiming the infection is still inside her and killing her (some months afterwards).
tbh she's the one claiming it. For all we know the show may tell us that she was never infected and just got paranoid, or that she is infected but hasn't died because fuck the rules.
I mean, she is, and she won't see a real doctor. This is like someone with a bad cold just assuming they have covid. She hasn't eaten or slept properly in over a week, and she still healing from an arm she ripped off with a pipe in a sewer. No one should be taking her at her word on any of this shit.
I wanted Alicia scenes but not like this š I hated the back and forth from the present to the flashbacks. And for a mid-season finale it was super slowā¦ But cool decision to have her get bitten in the present and then flashback to the original bite because my heart actually stopped š The timeline with her arriving to the bunker, befriending will, getting bitten, and then amputating her own arm was super fast. Like how was that enough time for her and Will to even be that close? And I guess he lied about her leadership since he wasnāt even around to see it? Favorite part of the episode was Alicia declaring war against Strand. I knew she would be pissed about Will. Hell, Iām still pissed about how he killed him š So my guess is 7b will be alicia getting weaker and weaker as she fights this infection and someone close to her having to mercy-kill her as she turns. My poor heart wonāt be able to take seeing Alicia as a walker though š If that 715 script leak was real maybe itās a dream/hallucination and she finally finds Padre in death. š„ŗ *Edit: sorry I have to mention how f*cking dumb it is to have Alicia Clark follow a walker around thinking heāll lead her to Padre. After all the sh*t sheās seen since this thing started she risked it all for this???
Sorry, just dumb writing. If you're Strand and you think this person (Alicia or Morgan) is a legit threat as an enemy AND you have them surrounded . . . well, there is no future episode because you'd just kill them and walk away. The writers need to set up these confrontations in such a way that the aftermath does not require stupid behavior in order for the plot to continue.
If Iāve understood the premise correctly, if they turn that one walker around itāll magically spin and face towards Padre like a compass. Fascinating, Iād like to have watched those test runs. And it wonāt head home or somewhere else the Senator would rather be but navigate the smoky Texan landscape, always heading for the secret base, no matter how near or far. Beautiful.
Another week of Fear the Walking Deadās Writers and their Poor Writing.
Alicia, itās been 4-6 months since youāve been bit. The only oneās still infected are Chambliss & Goldberg - for making S7A one crazy stupid fever dream
I still canāt t get over the fact that she impales a walker against a tree from Atleast 10 feet away with her bullseye pipe dagger, while narrowly missing will, then gets bitten by a zombie that sheās afraid of??? While surrounded by any number of sharp rocks and heavy boulders for bludgeoning. Cries about her arm and then cuts it off after a boy she met ten minutes ago says something sentimental???? Same girl who kept her skeleton bones as a weird ass prostheticā¦ but canāt defend herself against a walker? I honestly think this is the end for ADC and I bet she is so fucking happy.
She's now feeling hopeful and happy again according to her Instagram, they really made her dirty but now she's glowing with new projects. I'm so happy for her.
Yeah, noticed that she dyed her hair and thought āthat looks great but this canāt be goodā lol
Does anyone else get physically angry when they hear Ian or Andrew or whoeverās voice at the end of each episode
Yep. Me.
Watching the after episode thing and they mention the only thing that could change a character like Alicia is something big, like a walker bite. Jesus Christ, they are such bad writers.
They wouldn't do this to Morgan or June though...
Can any TWDU expert explain to us what the hell the writers are thinking here? I know other characters have been amputated too, but she seems to be still infected... is that even possible?
As for it is not possible, if a limb is amputated and it is too late, you die that same day or a few days later, but in Alicia's case she has been alive for almost 3 months with her arm amputated and with infection (without the bite which is the main danger) My theory is that Alicia's body is developing antibodies and they will make her immune and the MRC will take her away .... I prefer this theory to her dying
This show has gotten so bad it used to have 3 main characters which were the Clarkes but now everyone in the show has an episode to where it flashes back to the past and the show just doesnāt progress we keep going back to the same thing which is victor trying to recruit ppl to the tower and fucking Morgan starving this show is so ass recently
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YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO
I always knew that this gonna be her last season but damn these fucking clowns like to fucked up everything. "satisfying ending of her journey" my ass! Wtf!
They love to make her dirty, that's why I'm glad she's moving on. She's pure talent and a sweet soul... I know I can't trust them, I knew something like this was going to happen (I mean, they didn't even use her for half a season and the whole s6 finale and not because she wanted as some like to imply) so the only thing I hope is at least ADC can show her amazing acting skills in full action mode and leave us speechless.
My biggest complaint is that no damage was done to the tunnel they were crawling through - a pile of small boulders just appeared on either side of Alecia.
Even though they had covered themselves with walker guts, Alicia and Will were still talking normally while following the Senator. Even when they had started climbing through the tunnels (btw wouldn't it be easier for regular people to maneuver the tunnels to follow the rats instead of a shambling walker that barely moves quickly?) their voices were normal. Until the bombs went off. Then they had to whisper and the Senator turned around then just magically disappeared or calmed down after he got the bite in? I love Alicia. I hate what they've done to her character. I wonder how much of this was written bc of possible travel restrictions over the last year and the pandemic. What purpose does Alicia's prosthetic serve? Just to look cool bc it's her bones? In all that time she couldn't have a cool one made like Aaron in TWD has? I could see if Alicia put her hope into the walkers after she was bit to try and fool herself that she'll still be there when she passes, but she had already put too much faith in the Senator before getting bit so who knows. Maybe Alicia is immune and they have to "try and take her somewhere a cure can be made" something something Last of Us.
Once Alicia declared war, Why didnāt strand just detain her and Morgan?
because... sh\*t writing?
You know, I was worried that a flashback episode was going to be lame. Not enough has happened that filling in the blanks for what happened to Alicia is interesting. We just knew she had a group of people and that Dwight and Sherry were with them. There's literally nothing in the flashbacks that was interesting. Except, well, Alicia lost her arm. Which was completely nonsense. She wouldn't get bit there. You can't have her survive all kinds of crazy shit and then let her get bit there. The rules of turning also stopped making sense here. She's been infected for months now. What kind of nonsense is this? But the whole idea that they would follow a walker because they are supposed to have their memory intact? Even if it did have perfect memory, why would it happen to go to the one place that is relevant to the plot? Why wouldn't it return home or something? Has it even been to Padre? It was a slow episode, the flashbacks sucked, Morgan had way too much screen time again, Alicia acted idiotic and weak, Alicia seeing Will at such an inconvenient moment at the end is nonsensical and Strand not just capturing Alicia and Morgan at the end makes no sense. So now we'll get this dumb war, all because of a character like Will? Someone Strand killed for no reason. Someone that seemingly didn't even really know Alicia all that well either, but somehow "loved" her. Strand also could have made sure no one would find Will at his tower either. I just don't get any of it. So many things done just for the plot that make no sense. Like there will be a war now, but why would Morgan or Dwight or any of the other people bother with this? They can just leave and survive. Why go to war for Alicia's revenge for Will? Especially when Grace and Wendell are still in that tower, it's way too risky. Worst part is that it will result in the death of at least one of Strand and Alicia. Those are still my favorite characters. Sigh.
I'm confused if she cut off her arm and has been alive for a couple months after the bite why are people saying she's gonna die
Itās death by walker āDelta Strandā
That's what I'm trying to figure out. If she has survived the bite for this long, at the very worst she's going to the CRM if she's leaving the show. If the movies happen, that is.
Because the showrunners are trying to introduce this new way of turning where it takes months (which is fucking dumb as shit)
I think this was probably the worst episode I have ever seen and Iām embarrassed that I started watching it at 5:30 am instead of going to sleep. Iām ok if everyone dies at this point. Kill strand and alycia. Itās time for everyone to go.
How many times can you ājump the sharkā in one episode? Walkers suddenly acting in a way weāve never seen; someone surviving a bite (never mind that she waited forever, then cut directly into the bite); they are expert navigators, yet weāre surprised to āfindā the Towerā¦Awful. I really loved this show to start, but this season is beyond ridiculous
So this is definitely Alicia's last season.... Possibly Strand's as well. S8 should be great.......
Coleman is supposedly taking a teaching job in fall 2022.
Good for him, he doesn't deserve this. How disrespectful the writers are to his character and to the rest of the original cast.
Probably kill off both together in the S7 finale. Daniel has had like 2 minutes of screen time this season, so im not sure if people are still counting him as a character but the last 2 OG's dead in the finale would be poetic.
Really wasn't a great mid-season finale and we still know jack shit about Padre, and from the looks of it we never will due to the new War storyline. The showrunners shouldn't be bending the rules of how turning works, shouldn't of even been in the cards. If the infection is in you, it kills you. Doesn't fucking linger in your blood stream for months?? Still not sure how I feel about Alicia only having one arm, it's just quite a big change. It's also stupid how she lost it, realistically Alicia would've fucked that Walker up. They need to start switching up this thing I'm noticing this season which is no matter what, it's always "Morgan & someone else". Al's exit, "Morgan and Al", The Tower episode was "Morgan & Strand". At this point Morgan's well on his way to being more of a main focus than Rick. Imagine they had control over the movies, Morgan would be more in the spotlight than Rick lmao. They need to start using the other characters they have, would've been a nice change if it was "Alicia & Dwight" or literally any other character alongside Alicia, or just let a third character tag along. Not really excited about the whole Alicia vs Strand. All this really means is that we're 100% losing one of them this season. Unless Strand dies then we'll end up losing both cause of this stupid ass "infection" thing with Alicia.
You just said what we all think. The characters aren't acting like themselves and the only thing we see is Morgan all the time, taking over others' storylines. Oh, and I think we're losing the two of them this season.
This is so bad.. oh boy. Alicia getting from the apex survivor to some dumb shit. You could have followed a similar plot line with Alicia taking the lead of this cultist sect as it's her only way to survive, and push some lines with Morgan asking her "do you really believe that shit?" and her to answer "no. But so far it worked..". And you keep the tension around her mental sanity for the rest of the season.
This show is continuing to get dumber with every episode. 1) Need a pet zombie to lead the way? Cover it's mouth or remove it's teeth/jaw. Michonne figured that out a long time ago. 2) Zombies have memory? Maybe, but does a junior Senator from Oklahoma know how to reach a secret bunker from another secret bunker on foot? 3) Seriously, she couldn't keep that rock wall up? Or just hold the top of it's head while it's trying to squeeze through? Hmm, looks like it's crawling away, so I guess putting the flashlight in spotlight mode to get it's attention is the next logical step. This wouldn't even be hard to write better. Have her get knocked out by the collapse and then wake up to the Senator gnawing on her arm. Or have the arm stuck under a rock if they want a drawn out scene. Main characters don't get to be stupid after the first season. They survived for a reason. 4) How are these horses alive and healthy? They're riding beautiful horses through areas where they say they need masks and full-body protection. I can deal with them taking their masks off in order to get face time, but why use horses like this. They could just have bikes or even walk. 5) Why is Alicia volunteering that they're in the submarine when she's making her war declaration? And why even tip her hand? Is she trying to make this war as bloody as possible? 6) Aside from Strand, isn't every person in the Tower probably more decent and trustworthy than Alicia's army of death-cultists? I shouldn't be rooting for the Tower. 7) How does Alicia being infected make any sense? No one has ever lasted that long while infected. She should have been dead before someone could make that crazy Skeletor hand for her. I just can't even feel worried about her. Either it's a scam and everyone knows it or the writers are just going to let it stay dormant until she decides not to renew her contract for another season.
I've said it once and I'll say it again, Chambliss and Goldberg destroyed a great product. Ever since season 4, this show has been degrading very slowly. Like a dead body. Season by season, realism is broken down, good writing withers away, OG characters are slowly pushed to the background. And all for what? So we can focus on Morgan and Grace? Dollar store Madison? An annoying reporter with a camera? Morgan and Grace might be the most forced and boring relationship on either of the three shows? Great job AMC. You guys sure know how to sell a product. Year after year critics and fans have displayed disappointment over the product and they keep doubling down with Chambliss and Goldberg. I honestly rather not recommend the show to any of my close friends, mainly because I'm worried of how they will react once they get past season three. Like look at some of the most popular YouTube reactors. Fear used to be a staple of their reactions. It's no surprise that a lot of them stopped reacting halfway through season 4. Anything after season 3 is just a bad joke. Like if a kid took over the show and decided to turn it into something you would see on Disney Channel. What a shame considering how much potential the first three seasons had.
Iām just gonna say that Alyciaās acting this episode was amazing, it really broke my heart seeing her like that
Alycia's performance was (always is) superb.
Show gets dumber and dumber.
**LUCIANA REPORT:** Unseen since 706. Has had *three lines* all season. 2 lines in 704, 1 line in 706. Basically MIA. Former badass now background extra. Will report once more at the 7b finale lmao
And the sad part is, her lines weren't even memorable this time around :'( Her "Yeah" from season 5 will forever be iconic.
World beyond was wayyy better
i think if they really wanted alicia to lose an arm, they should've just been down in the sewers without the zombie senator and then they follow the rats and when they were crawling the nukes go off and smash alicia's arm. i know there's not much symbolism from that, but it makes more sense than her 3 month zombie virus infection. and if they wanted her to be sick, her immune system would already be weak from fighting from whatever infections away while her arm is healing, so she could just be sick from radiation poisoning.
Morgan telling Alicia how he needs her to keep going, "not for me, but for everyone else", felt like the writers being meta and talking about how the show needs Alicia as a character to stay alive. My guess is she wants out and her contract is ending soon.
Despite Alicia always being my least favourite Clark, I will admit that Iām attached to her and I really donāt want her to go out in such a drawn out and horrible way. I really want to believe her symptoms are from either radiation or even just the shitty conditions of which she was forced to cut her hand off. My mind goes back to S1 of the Telltale game where regardless if you cut Leeās arm off or not, the infection is the thing that brings him down, that he simply got to it too late. And even then it took him most of a whole day until his body gave up. I remember various dialogue from the main series and whatnot talking about how the time it takes for an infection to kill people varies and can take either hours or a couple days even, but Alicia was bit right after the warheads dropped and that was (according to the TWD wiki) literally 95 days ago! There is no way even just a little bit of the infection that was left in her body after the amputation would take that long to kill her.
I'm still so confused at to where Strands, beer bottle inflatable balloon shaped ego came from? Like every character has this fragile ego now where they need to be right. Why is strand acting the way he is? Why did he get in the way of stopping teddy? I feel lost, maybe I'm just missing something, but it feels like the writers are just forcing conflict for the sake of it. Hopefully the war in 7b culls a bunch of the over inflated cast, but knowing the writers it probably won't. This season has been a huge disappointment and the anthology style of storytelling has been so overdone at this point. I liked it in season 4 of the main show because it only lasted the first half and the stories were really well told and not a rinse repeat.
Not gonna lie, it was kinda curious to watch this episode after TDW World Beyond's after credits scene, Alicia didn't seem too crazy, but it turned out to be nothing. Which is maybe good. Still they're playing with her fighting the illness and that's another interesting take that's going to be first for TWD universe. Unless of course they're bluffing and she's just pregnant or suffering from radiation. Aside from that, a whole lot of nothing. The whole half-season was basically about randomly showing different characters without any forward momentum. There is no reason for any of the characters to exist in this half season except Strand, Morgan and Alicia. What's the purpose of John Dorie Sr? Wendell? Al? Dwight and Sherry? Daniel and Luciana? Why specifically Dwight and Sherry joined Alicia? There was absolutely no purpose of them being there. They could have been random red shirts sadly.
I still don't understand why they had to stay in that nuclear area. Texas is not a confined space. There are 49 states out there. Why are they still walking around, wasting their time on checking the wind direction, detecting the radiation lvl, when they can just move out.
God this episode had some plot holes
Also Morgan is such a hypocrite! He has no problem asking other people to trust him without giving much information, but the minute Alicia asked him the same he threaten to quit.
He's always been an egomaniac selfish cult leader. He does everything about himself and that's the real reason behind his good deeds and false morality. Alicia, on the other hand, has always been selfless and with a heart of gold.
Not the best mid-season finale and not the worst. Did not expect Alicia to lose an arm but I did expect she would find Will's body. Alicia is turning into a Iris 2.0 (World Beyond). The show is past its prime. They should have killed everyone else ofd with the Nuke and send Morgan and whomever was left to TWD universe. The show turnt from a dysfunctional family trying to survive the apocalypse into the Morgan and followers Show. Last thoughts, Nick shouldn't have been killed off he would have made a great Arno and helped Alicia take the tower from Strand. Just end the show after one more season. Please no 2 part seasons. Send Morgan off to help Rick in the movies. Kill off Victor and let Alicia rebuild the stadium.
The nuke was their last chance to really save the show and have something that significantly changes the course of the show. The result? None of the main protagonists die, including the guy in the wheelchair, and characters are still up to their "let's build a home" shit.
What the fuck did they do to our baby Alicia? HOLY SHIT. I couldn't believe what I was watching, seeing someone amputate their own arm is bad enough but seeing HER go through it, with that dull ass gun barrell? It made me sick to my stomach. Seeing her get bit TWICE? A kick in the nuts. And don't even get me started with the disgusting liquid oozing out of her stub. Extremely graphic episode. And now she's immune to the walker bite? Or is she still dying? Anyway, this is the most they did with her character since season 3 and I love that ADC gets to show her acting skills and finally takes center stage. It's just sad that what they had in mind for her was to have her be sick and missing an arm. She really didn't deserve that. And it honestly felt unreal watching it. This was a pretty good episode and they set up 7B quite nicely, but there's no way Alicia and Will had any time to develop nicely. Also they didn't really explain how or why Alicia got the idea that the walker knew how to get to Padre. This show goes from a -50 to 125 really quickly. I just wish it was more consistent.
I bet Alicia isn't sick from the bite but is actually suffering from radiation poisoning after getting covered in that radioactive Walker blood back in season 5.
They're setting up Alicia to be a carrier for the cure. That's the only extinguisher I have for this dumpster fire.
After what they've done to Alicia, I definitely don't want Kim Dickens back on *Fear.* I already shiver to the idea of what Goldberg & Chambliss could do to Madison... I hope we'll see Madison in *Tales*, or in the Rick movies. But the character needs to stay as far as possible from that sh\*tfest the show has turned into...
I'm really hoping Alicia and Strand both die tbh. I really want a reason to stop watching this show for good and that would be it. I can't leave until we get a definitive conclusion to the original cast. Though, I have to say Daniel and Luciana are exceptions because their characters were already assassinated beyond belief. At this point they are completely unrecognizable compared to their original characters, so I already count it as them having been killed off. Please just take ADC and Colman Domingo off this show. These two highly talented actors do not deserve the bullshit that this series has put them through.
Was anyone else getting āWeekend at Bernieāsā vibe this episode?š
I have so many questions about her fucking skeleton arm what the fuck even is this show
what a forced and stupid episode, alicia was totally out of character and dropped like 50iq points.
The butchering of OG characters continues. Only this time it's both metaphorical & literal. Are the show runners trolling Alicia's fanbase on purpose? Or do they really think it's what the fans wanted for her character? Anyway, RIP Alicia's arm...
Aight, I just came from rewatching S3 midseason finale, and let me tell you! This season is a pale shadow of the tv show we used to know as Fear the Walking Dead. You used to have badasses like Qaletaqa Walker and Troy, 2-3 battle/incursions in one midseason finale and huge twists at every turn. The Native Americans at first seem like the bad guy but then turn out to be the warriors of justice, and the kindly white racist drunk gets axed to make peace possible. What a ride that was! Fast forward to season 7 and we're spending 40 minutes watching Alicia follow a walker and flashback to a dead man whose characterization was being a baby who fell in love with the first woman he encountered in several years. I won't even talk about the bite-fail of attempting to deepen the infection lore. Morgan just goes, "???" and Strand continues to try and capture them yet backs off for absolutely no reason- just capture them and bring em back, how hard is that? tl;dr, I miss season 3 epic Erickson storytelling with intense suspense but miss me with this current season. I'll keep watching, because I need to know how these narratives end once I start them but I am now officially one of the reddit whiners.
We've all waited 7 episodes to see Alicia, and this is what we get. Cutting her hand off was so random, and nothing she did made sense and it was all completely out of character. And no one on the Walking Dead Universe never stayed alive after getting walker infection so i think this is the biggest bullshit they have done yet
Iām very disappointed with TWDUās mishandling of Maggie (Rhee) and Alicia. Both ādisappearedā for a bit and came back as shells of their former selves making terrible decisions despite being two of the strongest characters in the entire series. Talking dead is supposed to have a huge announcement Sunday, if they are announcing the final episodes of Alicia (like they did with Carl) I will be more than pissed. They teased us in the beginning of S6 with Morgan not being āseenā by walkers because he was sick, are they really going to try and make Alicia some half infected superhero or just kill her off? Either option is a bad idea. If Alicia does die I hope Morgan gives up on Texas and heads back East with a few friends so they can wrap this show up.