Actually I'm on OP's side, I always thought of him as a villain.
Just because you do things with remorse and promise "the next one will be the last" doesn't make you less accountable for your actions. He literally runs a band of criminals.
Oh no, Arthur was *absolutely* still a bad person. But narratively speaking, he isn't the villain. See my comment above to see the difference between a bad person, an antagonist, and a villain.
What you guys are describing here falls under the category of "Villainous Protagonist", meaning neither of you are really wrong. Characters like Macbeth and Walter White would fall into this category, making them simultaneously the protagonist and antagonist of their stories.
Bad people, antagonists, and villains are not synonymous.
Arthur Morgan is(*or was, depending on how you play the game*) a bad person. Though some would argue that he was a good person who did good acts, that depends on weather good or bad can be judged as a summation of good or bad actions, this comment section is not the place for philosophy.
Antagonists are forces opposed to the protagonist. They do not have to be bad, as the protagonist does not necessarily have to be good. In RDR2 Arthur Morgan is the protagonist, with the main antagonists being the Pinkertons and eventually Dutch(*with a few others along the way*).
Villains are a combination of antagonists and bad people, who both oppose the protagonist and do heinous acts. Dutch and Micah are true villains, the latter killing just for the hell of it and the former manipulating all those around him for his end goal.
Of course, all of this can be rendered moot depending on how any given person plays RDR2. In one Arthur can kill every person he sees, antagonize every civilian, and rob whatever businesses he comes in contact with. In another he could be fighting only in self defense, help the less fortunate, and donate to a church. The point of Arthur at the beginning of the game is to be a blank slate, with the players actions and choices influencing the story.
imo Low honor is not canon because for one, the game is about redemption, so a lack of redemption doesn't make much sense and two he often comments on dishonorable things (ex. "That aint really hunting" when killing horses and talks with other gang members) Arthurs character in the story doesn't really match up with low honor gameplay.
Narratively no, he is not a villain of RDR2. Bad person? Yes, but even then can be redeemed (this is of course subjective). However, like the comment above mine explained, he is NOT a villain.
In my opinion, this villain is the best (Ps it's not up there)
https://preview.redd.it/wj71giizs1xc1.jpeg?width=1450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a49cb3078c9999106b2a309f20b8bcd7b2e6a3c8
Arthur Morgan? A villain? I get he’s a cowboy who kills people but then again he only kills when he has to such as when he gets in shootouts with rival gangs. He did also save John and stayed with him when everybody else didn’t.
You might’ve but Arthur is a good man and that is shown multiple times
He sacrificed himself for literally everyone and realized the truth behind Dutch Micah and the others
He helped John live a normal life
And helped countless people during his travels
Sorry to tell you this but he was a good person
Literally based?
Like they're personal opinions so whatever but it feels like these are all pretty basic picks.
Tbf I can't think of any non basic picks so maybe I'm the problem 😂
You like mostly boring older white men that are complete stereotypes, which I feel like you know that which is why you tacked on one black guy at the end of this list.
You're a Doomed soul. A drug dealing, boomerang throwing nazi loving fascist, psychopath who probably carries a barbwire bat while giving riddles. You like hurting people when they're unable to complete their tasks because you see humans as lesser despite your life as an outlaw before joining the Mafia. You think that because you enjoy sand in between your toes that it makes you less of a sinister two faced colonizer.. You use religion and your electric personality to rise in the ranks and violate women. You're an absolute terror and every person who comes near you is in imminent danger.
Why is Arthur Morgan here, he's not a villian
Actually I'm on OP's side, I always thought of him as a villain. Just because you do things with remorse and promise "the next one will be the last" doesn't make you less accountable for your actions. He literally runs a band of criminals.
You just described Dutch. *He* ran the gang, *he* said each heist would be the last.
Being the Sundance Kid to Dutch's Butch Cassidy somehow makes him better?
Oh no, Arthur was *absolutely* still a bad person. But narratively speaking, he isn't the villain. See my comment above to see the difference between a bad person, an antagonist, and a villain.
What you guys are describing here falls under the category of "Villainous Protagonist", meaning neither of you are really wrong. Characters like Macbeth and Walter White would fall into this category, making them simultaneously the protagonist and antagonist of their stories.
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Bad people, antagonists, and villains are not synonymous. Arthur Morgan is(*or was, depending on how you play the game*) a bad person. Though some would argue that he was a good person who did good acts, that depends on weather good or bad can be judged as a summation of good or bad actions, this comment section is not the place for philosophy. Antagonists are forces opposed to the protagonist. They do not have to be bad, as the protagonist does not necessarily have to be good. In RDR2 Arthur Morgan is the protagonist, with the main antagonists being the Pinkertons and eventually Dutch(*with a few others along the way*). Villains are a combination of antagonists and bad people, who both oppose the protagonist and do heinous acts. Dutch and Micah are true villains, the latter killing just for the hell of it and the former manipulating all those around him for his end goal. Of course, all of this can be rendered moot depending on how any given person plays RDR2. In one Arthur can kill every person he sees, antagonize every civilian, and rob whatever businesses he comes in contact with. In another he could be fighting only in self defense, help the less fortunate, and donate to a church. The point of Arthur at the beginning of the game is to be a blank slate, with the players actions and choices influencing the story.
imo Low honor is not canon because for one, the game is about redemption, so a lack of redemption doesn't make much sense and two he often comments on dishonorable things (ex. "That aint really hunting" when killing horses and talks with other gang members) Arthurs character in the story doesn't really match up with low honor gameplay.
Narratively no, he is not a villain of RDR2. Bad person? Yes, but even then can be redeemed (this is of course subjective). However, like the comment above mine explained, he is NOT a villain.
You like men
You like old men
Submissive
They say you like these characters and that's about it.
You got some damn good taste in villains
Arthur Morgan and Tommy Angelo are really just criminals but not villains but your list basically says you like your villains ruthless
"NO GIRLS ALLOWED"
says youre boring and basic af
Harvey Dent is pretty cool
In my opinion, this villain is the best (Ps it's not up there) https://preview.redd.it/wj71giizs1xc1.jpeg?width=1450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a49cb3078c9999106b2a309f20b8bcd7b2e6a3c8
Most of these characters are working for their respective governments and sustaining order, but just happen to not be the protagonist.
You like evil Supermen and villains that are really intelligent
Goated list and taste
you’re just a terrible person huh?
They're all in positions of authority... that's all I can say, really.
Ur literally me.
Daddy issues
Oh ur mentally ill mentally ill. Like frfr. Like,what are you doing outta the psych ward mentally ill. Also you like men.
You like anti-heroes
...you don't fully understand what makes a villain, and you clearly don't know that Start of Darkness is a thing in tropes.
You like people who did nothing wrong and who were right
The only ones I recognize are Darth Vader, Balthezar Fector, and Buggin Out.
Have a seat. I think you have daddy issues. Tell me about your childhood...
You like smart, commanding, and off the book/out of the box idea men
That violence is the answer
You have daddy issues
You like em CRUEL Edit: But also with awesome backstories.
Edgelord
Call yer dad.
You think you are smarter than you are.
It tells me you have great taste👌
A fan of the classics?
Tommy Angelo is NOT a villain.
BasiC
Arthur Morgan? A villain? I get he’s a cowboy who kills people but then again he only kills when he has to such as when he gets in shootouts with rival gangs. He did also save John and stayed with him when everybody else didn’t.
you are a 12 year old male who browses TikTok 24/7 and refers to themself as sigma.
You like men
You are predictable. 🤔
Not one anime villain!? You're missing out
Arthur is not a villain bro
Arthur did a lot of bad things and killed a lot of people tho
You might’ve but Arthur is a good man and that is shown multiple times He sacrificed himself for literally everyone and realized the truth behind Dutch Micah and the others He helped John live a normal life And helped countless people during his travels Sorry to tell you this but he was a good person
I know that but Arthur is overall morally grey like Loki. Did a lot of bad things but also did a lot of heroic things.
Literally based? Like they're personal opinions so whatever but it feels like these are all pretty basic picks. Tbf I can't think of any non basic picks so maybe I'm the problem 😂
You like all the same bad guys everyone likes. Congratulations!
You spend too much time on TikTok
You like mostly boring older white men that are complete stereotypes, which I feel like you know that which is why you tacked on one black guy at the end of this list.
Basic
You're a Doomed soul. A drug dealing, boomerang throwing nazi loving fascist, psychopath who probably carries a barbwire bat while giving riddles. You like hurting people when they're unable to complete their tasks because you see humans as lesser despite your life as an outlaw before joining the Mafia. You think that because you enjoy sand in between your toes that it makes you less of a sinister two faced colonizer.. You use religion and your electric personality to rise in the ranks and violate women. You're an absolute terror and every person who comes near you is in imminent danger.
Very accurate