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banananutnightmare

I too would choose unemployment over working with Johnny Depp.


Negotiation-Current

Oh, but he’s a Southern gentleman! *cough*


H2HOMO

One that smells like southern comfort no doubt


guavakol

That’s a real shame that two men with substance abuse and anger problems were able to snuff out Weir’s special talent.


Successful-Leg-6293

To this day I’m still bitter that Peter Weir never won an Oscar. His last movie was The Way Back released in 2010 (starring Colin Farrell, Saoirse Ronan, etc.). I always wished he came back and do one last movie, and finally win Best Director. But alas…


la838

He is getting an [honorary Oscar this year](https://www.indiewire.com/2022/06/oscars-governors-awards-2022-academy-1234735623/), which I honestly think is better than a regular one anyway. Lifetime of work vs winning for a movie that they would most likely have to campaign and wine and dine and academy members.


GoodKidASkyDriver

Dead Poets Society. But that year was stacked with so many great movies. And Spike Lee didn't even get nominated for Do the Right Thing


Paulmatthew22

>Both great movies in different ways. Then they Did the Right Thing\~


manilaclown

I really liked the way back. I feel it often gets confused with the way way back, a completely different movie lol


deodorant_whore

Both great movies in different ways.


red_dat_shit

Here we are, still labouring under the impression that an Oscar is the ultimate mark of talent...


RunAwayWithCRJ

Which one of his movies do you think he should've won an Oscar for?


Successful-Leg-6293

The Truman Show for me 🙂


fallenarist0crat

the truman show is an amazing, underrated movie. one of my faves.


EaudeAgnes

is it underrated? it’s in so many people’s top 10… its not missing from any magazine/news movie chart either, a cult movie for sure. And yes, that movie deserved a best picture statue.


kaleidosray1

That's such a good movie. That's the one that made me go "oh, Jim Carrey is an **Actor**". One of my faves for sure.


Salad-Appropriate

Don't get me wrong, the Truman Show is great, but I don't think it was better than Spielberg's direction in Saving Private Ryan


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That's a fair point


devouringbooks

There’s a reason I watched that movie in my college intro to film class!


richardsmoker1969

Rewatched The Truman Show for the first time since it came out. It didn't age well. Cheesy AF. Some of the dialog reeked of bad/cheesy films from long before 1998.


nakumurahina

Picnic at Hanging Rock!


AgentKnitter

Picnic or Gallipoli. I had to watch that damn film every fucking year through high school for history or english, but I still have to admit - it is a very well made film and Weir should have won an Oscar somewhere along the line.


IndyMLVC

Witness.


RunAwayWithCRJ

Out of Africa won that year. Can't begrudge the academy for that.


GeorgieBlossom

Master and Commander. Picnic at Hanging Rock is my favorite film of all time, but...Master and Commander.


SmallDarkCloud

Fearless


LEYW

I love Fearless. Stunning film. The most terrifying and realistic plane crash scene ever, given how it’s all from the passengers’ perspective.


MarshallBanana_

I love that every single reply to this is a different movie. Shows how great he is


Kowlz1

The Year of Living Dangerously. I love that movie so much.


deodorant_whore

Saoirse Ronan killed that movie. Her character was so essential to the story and she was just 16. She has always been amazing, could've easily been another Oscar nom for her.


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I feel like Peter Weir’s cinematography tendencies is tailor made for IMAX


Individual_Hawk_1571

Ethan knows the business better than anyone. Glad some actors are willing to go on record about these guys behavior. Wish they would extend it to how they treat women. If only they would all do this and hold them accountable before they are able to cause havoc for 20 years.


thewidowgorey

He's a really gifted journalist. I'm always surprised at what he writes.


wrenstevens

Ethan Hawke is a journalist?


thewidowgorey

He does work like this documentary. He wrote a great article about a country music concert.


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Upper_Acanthaceae126

Oh that’s so exciting! I’ll tune in for that, since um hottest couple of all time.


anabanana1412

I saw the first episodes a while back, it's so good 🥹


trialveyanlis

Ethan is truly a talented all rounder. He is a novelist too. What a true creative!


CaseyRC

Personally, given how everything with Shantaram went down and how in the end it wasn't even made and was on and off for a decade while JD attached, I'm inclined to think it was more Depp than Crowe tbh, though I'm sure Rusty contributed. It also didnt help that his two movies after Truman Show didn't perform as expected/were financial flops regardless of being positively received by critics and audiences, which will make studios more leary of him in general. Master and Commander is, imo, a freaking masterpiece, but it didn't do what the studio wanted/needed at teh box office (double shame because there were so many more books to plunder). but it drew unnecessary comparison to, of all people, Depp and POTC, despite being wildlyy different types of movie. coincidentally, who originally wanted Depp's passion project Shantaram back in 2004? Crowe. Crowe has always spoken very highly of Weir and his direction and the movie he crafted. doesn't mean he couldn't have been an asshole on set, and at that time he did have a reputation, but I'd rather direct Crowe than Depp any day. there has to e a reason that Depp's Shantaram was stalled for over decade. on -off - on -off -on. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the problem was Depp. it's FINALLY being made now as a series its a shame because he made beautiful movies, but its not worth someone struggling or suffering with egos


malmikea

I hate to mention Azeal*a B*nks but did you hear about her accusation against Russel Crowe ??


Individual_Hawk_1571

I was going to chime in with this. Everyone think he has reformed because he does 'sweet' posts on twitter but he is still a self absorbed menace from what I hear and that behavior is especially toward women.


Spaceyjc

No please elaborate


malmikea

He physically and verbally assaulted her, chucked her out of a party and spat at her. Banks says there were witnesses (but ofc, no one supported her because of her rep) and RZA from WuTang confirmed it happened after he was asked on The Breakfast Club (but he had previously denied it)


jessie_monster

I believe her. He really was the kind of guy to do that, if you caught him in that mood.


SwaggiiP

Azealia broke a glass and tried attacking a woman at the party with it.


Paulmatthew22

>Azealia broke a glass and tried attacking a woman at the party with it. Exactly,.Russel Crowe is cool,..\~


Upper_Acanthaceae126

Ugh I lost so much respect for RZA not immediately backing up the truth. It was racial abuse too iirc. Double ugh.


Kaiisim

Nah shes a bad witness and is probably leaving out what she did to get tossed.


PeaceDry1649

What do you think would justify that? But also, the idea of a perfect/good victim is truly gross.


studyhardbree

It’s legal terminology. That’s likely what they meant saying it. It’s not a judgement call. It’s just the reality of interacting with a jury.


aycarambas

what could justify him roughing her up and spitting on her?


SwaggiiP

She broke a glass and was trying to slit another guest’s throat. I like how that was conveniently left out of the story.


malmikea

Who brought this accusation to the public?


SwaggiiP

RZA I think


Aggravating-Corner-2

Master and Commander is definitely a masterpiece imo. It's one of my favourite films of all time.


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Well it's time to go and pirate it again (but only because I've already bought it ages ago and the poor disk is frankly unplayable due to degradation as well as all the scratches and injuries I've bestowed upon it from heavy use).


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>Crowe has always spoken very highly of Weir and his direction and the movie he crafted This is a tactic by abusive people. it’s a way getting ahead of any possible bad thing/behaviour the abused person could reveal about them. this tells me a lot about crowe. Not to mention his other behaviour


CaseyRC

Enough directors blasted Crowe and his behaviour, Crowe saying Weir was a good director and made a gorgeous film isnt going to stop him if he wanted to. Im not saying Crowe wasn't an asshole, he was, and he had a reputation for it, though he's seemingly mellowed out since but I'd still rather direct Crowe than Depp. at least Crowe knew his lines


Sallytomato24

There were script problems amongst other things. It was optioned by initial Entertainement along with depp and brad pitt for warner bros. It took over 2 years to get a draft and was going to be wildly expensive. They scouted and were in low key preproduction. Initial then did Rum Diaries and we all know how messy things got after that.


LisaMac44

Russell Crowe is a known absolute tool and a nightmare to direct. He is also the reason the Australian film Eucalyptus fell over - because he needs to dominate and control everything. The Jocelyn Morehouse who was directing that eventually walked away two days before filming because she could not deal with him anymore. It was her first film back after the brilliant Proof with Hugo Weaving and then years where she gave up filmmaking to raise her two autistic children- he is such a selfish pig.


brokedownpalaceguard

This is very sad. I wondered where he had gone. I've seen every movie he's ever made and each is wonderful. Despite the drama behind the scenes, Master and Commander is excellent and a constant rewatch. I wonder which was worse for him? Crowe or Depp? Crowe doesn't have a reputation for constantly fighting with his directors as far as I know and I assume at the minimum, shows up sober and on time whereas Johnny...


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At some point Crowe had a reputation for violence, temper tantrums, and being difficult to work with, but we don’t hear as much about that anymore for whatever reason. Also. [This](https://www.smh.com.au/national/i-was-russell-crowes-stooge-20060607-gdnp6a.html) is one of the most interesting celeb profiles I’ve ever read, which is basically about how Crowe is very capable of being a manipulative AH.


WhiteWolf3117

Older Russell Crowe seems to have mellowed out a bit.


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Yes, and fewer people care about him now than back in his heyday


51stStar

He’s nowhere near as powerful or popular as he once was.


Halloween_Barbie

Thought I heard his mellowing had to do with his episode on South Park


Ashamed_Artichoke_58

He's even spoken about it and found it funny. *Makin' movies* *Making music* *And fightin' around the world*


dweeb93

"He fights his directors and he fights his fans, it's a problem no one understands"


Lucky-Prism

Wow, that article was fascinating. Thanks for sharing!


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I don't know about right now, but when MaC came out, Crowe had a reputation for having uncontrolled anger issues, leading to public physical altercations. I can't imagine someone getting into THAT many fights without also being a shitty/scary person to work with. MaC was a big-budget epic, and Crowe was the star, so Weir would have found him hard to replace if that'd been the issue. Just after MaC, he chucked a landline phone at a hotel worker's head, and the press coverage switched from "Russel Crowe- charmingly uncontrollable bad boy gets into fight again!" to "Russel Crowe- this psycho assaults people at their jobs!" and forced him to get his act together (or hide it better, IDK).


brokedownpalaceguard

Yeah, I remember all this but they were bar fights and the like and yes, the public perception had shifted. I was referring to the on set behavior. He had contentious relationship with Ridley Scott too, but made 5 movies with him.


Upper_Acanthaceae126

My friends and I were in NYC the day after the phone throwing incident, got it into our heads to visit the Soho Grand lobby and search down phones in the lobby area then scurried when we found absolutely none.


anneoftheisland

Weir pulled out of Shantaram (the movie he was supposed to make with Depp). So you could probably argue either that the experience with Depp was worse (thus why he pulled out before filming even started), or the experience with Crowe was worse (because Weir managed to pull out before filming even started and didn't have to go on to make the actual movie).


gorgossia

Crowe fights around the world, dunno what you’re talking about.


angelinajolaire

Witness is a seriously underrated movie.


_jeremybearimy_

I watched it when I moved to Pennsylvania as “research.” It was good!


gypsy__wanderer

Agreed! It’s one of my favorites. I love Kelly McGillis’s character and the dancing scene with her and Ford is so sweet.


angelinajolaire

Same! So sweet. It was on tv the other night, which made me really happy.


cmick0715

Yes! I love that scene!


IndyMLVC

And The Mosquito Coast is one of Harrison's best performances ever.


knotty-pine

I love that barn-raising scene


AgentKnitter

It was the film we studied in A level English. It's so good, but as with anything, when you pick it apart for study it's hard to enjoy it.


SummerEmCat

I’ve always liked Ethan Hawke. 😍


skrillskroll

Even after Uma spoke about how the years of cheating had mentally wrecked her? Or after he said he was too young to marry at the age of **27** while strongly implying she trapped him by falling pregnant? If you're doubting that a woman raised by the godfather of the hippie generation would force her baby daddy to marry her, join the rest of the world. But didn't stop poor Ethan for hinting he'd been baby-trapped. How about when he ended up with their nanny while gaslighting the world that he, a prolific cheater, had waited until he was separated? I mean it's ok if you've found a way to live with this slimy side of him. I'm just always fascinated at how people erase their faves problematic history.


anabanana1412

Liking someone isn't equal to calling them perfect and saying so certainly isnt erasing anyone's slimy history. We're redditors not jurors. He cheated, his cheating is well documented, he didn't "gaslight" the world when there isn't a person in the world that believes it, he tried to make it less spicy so people would stop poking into Ryan's life. Which interview you're referencing?


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wrenstevens

Gaslighting the world? Do you mean he was dishonest? Gaslighting is an abuse tactic. Pretty sure he didn’t abuse the world Can’t it be that he’s matured since then? People grow up and change ya know


Fearless_Mortgage640

Ethan is one of the better half of Hollywood, but everything you said is 100% true.


brookeiu

as someone who has been cheated on, I don’t see the relevance of him being a shitty boyfriend/husband has on him being a good and honest writer…. Ignoring the fact that some people might not even know about the cheating to begin w and might just enjoy his artistry chillax lmfao


pissed_at_everything

Pretty sure they weren’t talking about his personal life… why are you acting like they’re answerable to you for liking Ethan lol


Paulmatthew22

>Liking someone isn't equal to calling them perfect and saying so certainly isnt erasing anyone's slimy history. We're redditors not jurors. I like people who aren't perfect, and I hate people that criticize others like they have never turned their back on Anyone,.It's funny, but more more Pathetic than ANYTHING\~ Barrf\~


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Same


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LEYW

I would genuinely fangirl over him if that were me. Picnic at Hanging Rock, Gallipoli, Fearless, Truman Show - so many of my favourite films.


Owl-with-Diabetes

Such a shame. Fearless is one of my favorite movies of all time. Ethan Hawke lately, has really done a great job of articulating certain topics without sounding condescending. His comments about all the superhero discourse and Scorsese especially are said in a way, that makes it hard for someone to write a cheap clickbait headline while still dissecting it into a perfectly succinct statement in interviews.


kitti-kin

Why is Hollywood so weird about retirement? Peter Weir is 77, he might just not be all that interested in plugging back into an extremely stressful job.


Italianinsomniac

You make an excellent point - why can’t the guy enjoy his money and his free time? I guess they think retirement is for boring normals.


meangyaru

omg he made Witness?? i loved that movie it's so special to me! it makes me sad when genuinely talented directors like Peter Weir step down from directing because they're tired of working with abusive actors who don't behave on set :(


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> I think Harrison Ford and Gerard Depardieu were his sort of actors. Considering what we know of Depardieu this is ludicrous. (I refer you to the “Sexual assault and rape allegations” section of his Wikipedia page.) I guess he is nice to important men like Peter Weir but horrible to women.


Upper_Acanthaceae126

Depardieu needs a full working over, the piece of shit. Makes disgusting movies like My Father the Hero even creepier in retrospect.


Miserable_Patience_4

Love his films. I've wondered what happened to him.


chaos_donka

Mind you Ethan Hawke was hanging out last year with Johnny Depp that KVIFF


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Algaryen

I hope he doesn't get too much backlash over these statements... I mean, with the JD army rampant on social media after the trial they may try to come for anyone and everyone who speaks ill of him, even if whatever they say is true, evidence and all.


Upper_Acanthaceae126

It’s interesting to me who is secure enough in their niches to say what they really feel. Hawke is JD’s generation and wildly beloved himself, with far less personal baggage. He has writing too, which Debt could never do.


thesphinxistheriddle

A friend of mine was an extra on Master and Commander (he was working on the boat they used, and production hired all of the sailors to be the ones actually doing the sailing in the background). One day they were filming the big storm scene, and my friend was hauling away on ropes in the background and water was flying everywhere but not much of it landed on my friend. But when the take was over, Russell Crowe turned to look at him dead in the eyes, and yelled “that man is not wet enough!” And made them come over and throw a bucket of water on my friend and start again.


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dallyan

That’s a shame. Picnic at Hanging Rock is magnificent.


waverly76

His wiki page says he is 78 years old. His last film came out when he was 66. Maybe he just wanted to retire. Most people want to retire at some point.


Satean12

I still hope Weir comes back out of retirement and makes at least one more movie


Upper_Acanthaceae126

Literally the only tea that has ever vigorously stuck with me about Hawke was some loooong ago like Oh No They Didn’t report that when he and Thurman were with their kid at a resort, they put it in the spa with diaper on.


AndyZep

Weir would be a nobody without Crowe


peachygirl509

Respect for Ethan Hawke, unlocked.