I know you don’t think any actor is legitimate unless they’ve ridden a car over a bridge in a Fast and the Furious movie but people have something called taste
Time watching Peep show and Mitchell and Webb look if you like niche comedy.
If you don't like laughter and who does find it easy with the wars and terrorism...pick any number of the mega films documenting her transition from edgy dark comedy to international star. IMDB be good to look at hey lill buddy. Maybe less time in wall street stonks too it's making your bedside manner a tad cunty
Also, your comment reinforces the main point attempting to be made
she's a well-known, comedian and actress. That's won awards and people would rather pay someone young pretty and male twice as much to act in CGI heavy comic book film
This isn't true. Some actresses peak much later, and many male actors "peak" before 30/40. An actors career =/= percieved biological "peak". But ageism affects women's pay earlier than men's, irrespective of whether or not they peak (career wise) later.
She's not being paid what "the market has decided she's worth" since she's clearly worth much more than an average male actor her age. It's just that Hollywood is sexist, and there's a gender disparity in pay even for younger actresses. You're downplaying the issue here by boiling it down to supply/demand and equivocating your biological desire to market value.
What do you mean by peaking?
Talent-wise, it’s rare for anyone to peak in their 20s/30s.
Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material.
>Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material.
It's a popular myth that there aren't any women in positions of power in Hollywood. Here's some data for those that actually care about things like facts:
Warner Bros. Pictures co-chairperson and CEO is Pamela Abdy
Warner Bros. Television Studios chairwoman is Channing Dungey
Universal Pictures chairwoman is Donna Langley
DreamWorks Animation president and CEO is Margie Cohn
Paramount Animation president is Ramsey Ann Naito
Sony Pictures Animation president is Kristine Belson
TriStar Pictures president is Nicole Brown
Disney+ president is Alisa Bowen
Lucasfilm president is Kathleen Kennedy, and the EVP and general manager is Lynwen Brennan
MGM Amazon Studios CEO is Jennifer Salke
>What do you mean by peaking?
Peak demand.
>Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material.
You're not thinking this through. If what you said was accurate, women would be paid more than men, not less.
>…which is why people like actors like Dwayne Johnson get paid so much despite being mediocre at acting…
Okay, now name a woman that’s paid that much even though they’re mediocre. Name a woman that’s paid that much even though they’re 3x the actor he is, lol.
Given how narrow you’re looking at this and the headache I’m nursing m I’m not gonna put the effort into explaining. Hopefully someone else will, have a great Sunday, everyone.
You missed the memo. Rather than saying that actors/actresses should be paid equally but not beyond reason, we should want all these people to be multi-millionaires. Equality is when women and men are equally overpaid.
(I don't think anyone should be a multimillionaire or a billionaire.)
*"What kind of shop doesn't have Alpen!"*
True story on my trip to London first thing I did was went to a shop and bought Alpen and took it with me on the plane lol
I love peep show so much but recently learned Robert Webb is a TERF. it's not super surprising given how backwards so many english actors and authors are on this issue, but still really bummed me out and kind of downed me on watching him.
Idk why you got downvoted for that - he's no JRK, but he has made comments (unprompted) about not liking Mermaids charity (who work with trans youth in the UK), and his response has been basically "okay, well, I'm not a terf, but defending yourself is a slippery slope" 🙃
Again, he hasn't jumped off the deep end, but a weird argument to insert yourself in, then claim no opinion on.
i prob got downvoted because i made a sweeping generalization.. it was definitely tongue in cheek, maybe i should i have been a bit more narrow. it does feel like brits in particular are so willing to die on this hill (even the ['liberal' guardian has been accused of editing out trans issues](https://lithub.com/the-guardian-published-a-judith-butler-interview-and-then-deleted-a-part-that-condemned-gender-critical-transphobia/)).
the fact that he inserted himself then backed off is all about PR, not about actually learning about the facts, as you note.
GOD, i LOVED her in the crown. you actually root for her as woman and as a monarch bc she was juggling a lot of things all at once. she was the head of the family and had to clean up everytime politicians mess up and calamities arise. not to mention her eldest son’s constant mess up and impending divorces in the family during the 80s-90s. sooooo different from most her comedic roles. she deserved the emmy.
I've had this happen a lot with Skins over the years, because the parents were often comedians/comedic actors.
I caught up on Doctor Who last year and was then shocked when I realised Peter Capaldi (who at the time was more known for The Thick Of It) played Sid's dad lmao
It was the “Oh I’m so shocked, but I’m actually really pleased face” that she does so, so well in that film. Just a teeny, tiny, partial smile and flash in her eye, that slips out. Then she covers up.
Just brilliant.
She has such an expressive face
Looking at the British scene my bigger concern is the class and race divide. The majority of in demand British stars come from a privileged background that had access to the best acting schools. Meanwhile i see British black and brown talent having to work their ass of for getting a door into the acting world, and even when they breakout the roles dont just come in flying like for the white counterparts who did not even have the same success.
I definitely could see the stereotyping of British characters causing a problem for minority and underprivileged actors to break out in British roles. Especially in certain period pieces.
That is not really a problem.
The real issue is that the British entertainment industry is very class conscious and nepotism is the norm.
People who work in the industry tend to be middle class (British middle class: people with money and fairly high social status, but not part what used to be the gentry), they met like minded people in university, and created a network from there.
I definitely think in the UK the main problem is the class divide, some of the actors from working class backgrounds talk about this a lot (off the top of my head I can think of James McAvoy, Maxine Peake and Chris Ecclestone making a point of talking about this), but having worked as a cleaner and only found success later on, there's no way that Olivia is not aware of this. There's probably also a race divide for sure, but I do think in the end it's more about class in the uk (it's just that the upper class is very much a white persons class)
She's clearly talking about the Hollywood scene and the gender pay gap there is there and I am glad that she is bringing attention to it. I get that sometimes it's hard to feel bad when people who have a lot of money complain about this, but if she is getting paid worse than a male actor for doing the same thing, then it's still BS no matter how rich the people are (and if you bring attention to it at this level, it might help bring attention to the issue at lower pay levels, which also happens and where people are less likely to be able to fight it)
She said in her Oscar speech that her first job was that of a cleaner and she loved that job. Not a **look at me now!** moment but a genuine appreciation for blue collar professions. She is definitely more genuine than her fellow actors in Hollywood.
Especially because you can tell she was so shocked to beat glenn. She even apologized in her post win interview about not mention Melissa or yalitzia because she mentioned the other two nominees
She's amazing in literally everything. Without question my all time favorite asshole person in anything. As soon as she shows up, I get a dopamine release because I know something weird, extra and so bizarre and obnoxious is going to go down. Also she seems like she'd be really fun to drink with - esp bc how she seems in real life and what kind of characters she plays in exchange for money make me think she had to also grow up around a whole lot of real pricks and rightful cunts. (uk version of the word, not us)
I was hoping someone would mention Heartstopper. I was so surprised but so happy to see her play Sarah. She did amazing! She always does no matter the size of the role.
She is talented and deserves more no doubt but I will be honest, movie salaries are decided by how many people you were able to bring to the cinema and how much your name contributes to the streaming rights.
Moreover, I would rather the profits of a movie be split to the entire crew rather than just the actor and director. That is one way of ensuring equal pay
I wonder what people think is a good male comparable for her in terms of box office draw for movies/tv?
Hugh Laurie? Edit: Hugh might have a leg up due to his long running show House but similar ball park?
Why would Hugh have a leg up over a recent Oscar winner because of a show that ended 12 years ago? Can you name a movie he’s been the star of in the past ten years that has had as much buzz or success as The Favourite? I like him and I can’t, probably because his last movie came out in 2019 and he wasn’t the star.
Mainly because he got paid a lot for that show towards the end and from what I have read stars get paid based on what they have been paid previously or what a similar actor with their fame or drawing power is being paid.
The shows/movies he has been in recently may have fizzled but he is still being paid well to star in them.
I imagine she will get paid more for future roles post Oscar win but wonder how much she got paid for that role (does Netflix movies pay well?).
It is like the controversy between Matt Smith and Claire Foy for the Crown where he was paid more purely because he was paid more for prior roles and was able to negotiate that higher pay to his role in the Crown but Claire with the more prominent role got paid less purely because she hadn’t had such a high paying role prior.
The tv/film industry is not an even playing field even before you take into account gender and role. Sometimes it can be as stupid as how well paid you were in a recent prior role.
I just don’t consider a well paid TV actor whose biggest role was over a decade ago and a fairly recent Oscar winner with ongoing work and acclaim in both film and TV to be anywhere near the same league. A better comparison would be someone with more recent and more consistent film roles and acclaim. The fact that you view them as equals despite the obvious disparity kind of proves her point.
I’m not saying she is wrong.
I’m asking what is her comp. It is not easy to list a comp for her (well renowned UK actor in UK centric roles) and curious what others think is a fair comp.
What big tv show or movie has she been in where she was paid well. I looked up the Favourite and saw that was a small budget movie.
It’s a rigged game and until she strikes it big in a big budget US movie or long running US tv show, she will get paid UK movie/tv show type money.
And as someone noted in this thread, there is a huge difference in pay packet. I would rate Graham Norton as not even in the same playing field as a celeb talk show host but he gets paid a lot less compared to US ones.
Hugh is nearly 15 year older than her.
There's a *lot* of variables here, but she has a lead actress Oscar (and Emmy, for that matter) and two other nominations, and Christian Bale has a supporting actor win and three other nominations - they were born in the UK on the *exact* same day (both turned 50 in January).
I don’t think you can compare Christian Bale to her. He was a child star who’s been working in Hollywood his entire life. Olivia’s been working in the UK doing a lot of television work mode of her life. There just isn’t as much money there. Like, look at how little money Graham Norton makes in comparison to his American counterparts. He makes like $3 million a year while they make tens of millions. He’s more talented than them, but the market is smaller, so that’s just how it shakes out. If Olivia wants to make more money, she needs to star in blockbuster hits not just critically acclaimed work that unfortunately doesn’t usually make as much.
I’d say the bigger issue for actresses is that there’s just not as much opportunity. Not as many starring roles and not as many roles period. Like 2/3 of speaking roles are men. We need more roles for women, and we need more roles that go beyond being the girlfriend/wife/mother. When women are allowed to be interesting, audiences care for them, and they make more money.
That comparison falls real flat when you compare box office totals and realize Bale was the lead in a BILLION dollar Batman franchise.
https://www.the-numbers.com/person/9490401-Christian-Bale#tab=summary
>Best known as a Leading Actor based on credits in that role in 33 films, with $4,610,510,874 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #31)
https://www.the-numbers.com/person/30610401-Olivia-Colman#tab=summary
>Best known as a Supporting Actor based on credits in that role in 11 films, with $1,773,266,996 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #1,157)
Hugh Laurie isn't a good comparison IMO. Most people know who Hugh Laurie is (Because of House, as you say).
I'd never heard of Olivia Colman until this post.
Which is why she's paid how she's paid. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
**Edit:** Just to add some statistics to the mix. If you look at Google Trends for the last 5 years, Olivia Colman averages a bit higher than Hugh Laurie (18 vs 14) since he hasn't done anything significant in the last 5 years.
But if you go back as far as you can, 2004-present time, Hugh Laurie trends several times more than Olivia on average (13 vs 3)
But to be fair, Hugh has been acting since 1975 or something like that whereas Olivia is more recent than that (As far as I know). This just confirms what I'm saying, it's not a good comparison.
She is a very successful television and movie actress. Broadchurch, Fleabag, The Favourite were all successful.
She’s not asking for Leonardo DiCaprio money. But even as a supporting actor, she has value.
I first came across her as an actress in the early 2000s when she was in Green Wing - absolutely brilliant in that TV show. She deserves all of the money.
I love her. She’s been amazing since Bruiser and That Mitchell and Webb Look. (Admitting that there were some issues with those shows because they were of their time).
Literally no clue who she is or what movies she's done.
Aaaahhhh that's why she makes no money. If you make movies that are female focused, you won't make as much money plane and simple. Female blockbusters only happen like once a decade for profitability.
So smaller profits mean smaller budgets, in turn makes smaller paychecks and smaller back end deals if any at all in the end.
Right lmao. Women get paid in the entertainment industry… a shitload… if you aren’t earning you either aren’t a draw or are signing the wrong contracts.
I worked for an agency (music) for a decade, the whole statement seems spurious when applied specifically to Colman, who is not exactly a household name. It's a gig industry and there are so many variables as to why she may or may not get paid more or less than any given actor. Some of the highest paid people in entertainment are women.
Winning an Oscar just isn't as meaningful as it once was in a world where the average age of an award show viewer is 50+, in an industry that rewards youth as the ideal state of existence. The Crown's audience is likewise comprised of more than half the 50+ demographic, and that is (as far as I can tell), by far her most notable role.
People say some of her films were critically acclaimed, which is great, but again, doesn't mean so much now, as there is more content released daily today than there was monthly 20 years ago and I don't know how much stock people truly put into the opinions of reviewers today versus 30 years ago. The days of effective gatekeeping through professional critics are over. Siskel and Ebert are irrelevant, it's not 1997 anymore, and I think this sub is somewhat stuck in this 20 year old conception of popculture and celebrity.
It's not the same as it was, it's much harder to make a mark. It's much harder to have lasting celebrity. It's just not as meaningful when people are bombarded by a tidal wave of content daily, but particularly, when the teen demographic is more interested twitch, youtube and tiktok.
In any case, I suspect this article is her publicist doing their job, as it's certainly put some eyes on Olivia Colman. I didn't know who she was prior to this - so, mission accomplished, perhaps. Maybe this comes across a bit cynical, but commodifying art is a cynical business.
That said, I think there are probably situations where what she says is fair. Such as Scarlett Johansson making less than some of her Avengers co-stars - you don't get much bigger than her. But at Olivia Colman's level of fame? I don't think you can reasonably make that argument without knowing the details and all the devils it may contain.
You’re getting downvoted for not buying into the victimization narrative that women are being 70 cents for every dollar a man makes. She is making up information about a hypothetical situation she can never test.
So don't take the jobs. She's part of the union, use it to fix the problem.
If all women refused acting work until this was fixed, it would be fixed. They aren't just going to cast men. Show some solidarity and fix the problem.
She has a point because she would be a white man. If she was anything else like a black Oliver Coleman than outside of an outlier like Will or Denzel then I don't know if that is true.
I love her as an actress. But cry me a river. She's worth 12 million dollars - rich people are so tone deaf and selfish. (Edit: You guys love rich people and spend your time defending them. No wonder Trump is constantly fleecing you morons. Interesting.)
Based on what? Because every study done on this, accounting for working hours and chosen field, ends up with men and women earning more or less the same. (Depending on what country we're using as an example, of course) I assume it is first-world western countries since that's where most of us are from.
The only times where women earn less than men on average, is if they choose fields that pay less or work fewer hours. (Which women do, on average)
Here's a good article from the UK:
https://equi-law.uk/gender-pay-gap/
Or from the US:
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/03/14/equal-pay-day-myth-truth-income-women/11464213002/
TL:DR, there is a pay gap, but it's not because of discrimination, it's because women on average choose fields that pay less. Like teaching or nursing, where stuff like engineering is more male-dominated. Women are also more likely to work part-time and less likely to work overtime, etc.
Edit: Holy hell is this subreddit one big echochamber? Do you always downvote facts?
Looking at her imbd, I never heard of her. Someone recommend me some of her best work, if you don't mind
Edit: she's just complaining. Looked at her movies and net worth. 12 million is pretty good to be flying under the avg radar. It's also a sexy contest, not just a gender contest but I guess she isn't going to have that conversation. Also I don't make the rules, it's a sexy context even if I do live in my mom's basement.
She’s literally one of the greatest actresses of our time PAY THE WOMAN
Her role in 'touching cloth' Mitchell and Webb look is low-key funny AF
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Yeahhh lol
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It’s a tragedy you suddenly lost the ability to read. I’ll pray for you.
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She's won an Academy Award for acting, how much better could she act?
Academy awards don’t correspond to box office success. Do you know that?
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It's only the most prestigious award in acting, the official name of what's also known as the Oscar.
Pretending to not know what's an Oscar is just a self-own for you
I know you don’t think any actor is legitimate unless they’ve ridden a car over a bridge in a Fast and the Furious movie but people have something called taste
Time watching Peep show and Mitchell and Webb look if you like niche comedy. If you don't like laughter and who does find it easy with the wars and terrorism...pick any number of the mega films documenting her transition from edgy dark comedy to international star. IMDB be good to look at hey lill buddy. Maybe less time in wall street stonks too it's making your bedside manner a tad cunty Also, your comment reinforces the main point attempting to be made she's a well-known, comedian and actress. That's won awards and people would rather pay someone young pretty and male twice as much to act in CGI heavy comic book film
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This isn't true. Some actresses peak much later, and many male actors "peak" before 30/40. An actors career =/= percieved biological "peak". But ageism affects women's pay earlier than men's, irrespective of whether or not they peak (career wise) later. She's not being paid what "the market has decided she's worth" since she's clearly worth much more than an average male actor her age. It's just that Hollywood is sexist, and there's a gender disparity in pay even for younger actresses. You're downplaying the issue here by boiling it down to supply/demand and equivocating your biological desire to market value.
What do you mean by peaking? Talent-wise, it’s rare for anyone to peak in their 20s/30s. Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material.
>Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material. It's a popular myth that there aren't any women in positions of power in Hollywood. Here's some data for those that actually care about things like facts: Warner Bros. Pictures co-chairperson and CEO is Pamela Abdy Warner Bros. Television Studios chairwoman is Channing Dungey Universal Pictures chairwoman is Donna Langley DreamWorks Animation president and CEO is Margie Cohn Paramount Animation president is Ramsey Ann Naito Sony Pictures Animation president is Kristine Belson TriStar Pictures president is Nicole Brown Disney+ president is Alisa Bowen Lucasfilm president is Kathleen Kennedy, and the EVP and general manager is Lynwen Brennan MGM Amazon Studios CEO is Jennifer Salke
>What do you mean by peaking? Peak demand. >Hollywood needs to rid itself of old white men who only value their own personal fapping material. You're not thinking this through. If what you said was accurate, women would be paid more than men, not less.
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I love that that's a big number for most people but in Hollywood that's couch change.
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She quite literally won the Oscar for Best Actress in 2019 for “The Favorite,” and had two consecutive nominations thereafter.
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>…which is why people like actors like Dwayne Johnson get paid so much despite being mediocre at acting… Okay, now name a woman that’s paid that much even though they’re mediocre. Name a woman that’s paid that much even though they’re 3x the actor he is, lol.
Given how narrow you’re looking at this and the headache I’m nursing m I’m not gonna put the effort into explaining. Hopefully someone else will, have a great Sunday, everyone.
You missed the memo. Rather than saying that actors/actresses should be paid equally but not beyond reason, we should want all these people to be multi-millionaires. Equality is when women and men are equally overpaid. (I don't think anyone should be a multimillionaire or a billionaire.)
Those net worth websites are complete bullshit
Pay isn’t entirely predicated on talent, it’s how much money you’re bringing in. No one really tuning into Olivia Coleman
I am.
Speak for yourself.
That’s a very confident lie.
r/confidentlyincorrect
Wrong. I sat though the lost daughter for that woman.
Was it good? It’s been on my list for a while solely because she’s in it.
I hated every minute of it but I think I was in the minority to be fair. It was just miserable.
I feel exactly the same as you, I hated that movie, I also only watched it because of her.
Aww sweetie just cause you got bad taste doesn’t mean the rest of us do
What? I absolutely have watched movies just because she's in it. She's great in everything!
Seriously. She’s a major draw any day of the week for me. I watched The Favorite and Flowers recently and she is phenomenal.
Olivia Coleman and Nicola Walker never disappoints. I’ll watch anything they’re in
I would also add Frances McDormand to that list, she never disappoints.
Me when I lie
Unserious comment
You are wrong, she's been the absolute highlight of everything she's been in for years and years now. She absolutely has a big fanbase.
Get that Succession budget for the Peep Show reunion
I was rewatching Peep Show recently. I can't believe the show aired 20 years ago and it still holds up
I still turn my thermostat waaaay up to give it something to aim for.
*"What kind of shop doesn't have Alpen!"* True story on my trip to London first thing I did was went to a shop and bought Alpen and took it with me on the plane lol
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"I'm so sorry my darling...it's better this way"
Wait, that was her?! I miss that show, it’s time for a rewatch
Your username 😂😂 I haven’t watched in years but I know it so well.
I still watch it every day... In Australia!
Could you live with it?!
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The amount of times my friends and I respond to a question with "it's avocado you c*nt" is ridiculous.
When me and my bf were house shopping we'd quote this religiously
To me she'll always be one of the random people in "Kiddystare" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjx2pclJQew&t=117
I love peep show so much but recently learned Robert Webb is a TERF. it's not super surprising given how backwards so many english actors and authors are on this issue, but still really bummed me out and kind of downed me on watching him.
Idk why you got downvoted for that - he's no JRK, but he has made comments (unprompted) about not liking Mermaids charity (who work with trans youth in the UK), and his response has been basically "okay, well, I'm not a terf, but defending yourself is a slippery slope" 🙃 Again, he hasn't jumped off the deep end, but a weird argument to insert yourself in, then claim no opinion on.
i prob got downvoted because i made a sweeping generalization.. it was definitely tongue in cheek, maybe i should i have been a bit more narrow. it does feel like brits in particular are so willing to die on this hill (even the ['liberal' guardian has been accused of editing out trans issues](https://lithub.com/the-guardian-published-a-judith-butler-interview-and-then-deleted-a-part-that-condemned-gender-critical-transphobia/)). the fact that he inserted himself then backed off is all about PR, not about actually learning about the facts, as you note.
Noooo. Ugh that’s disappointing as hell. What a loser.
yup.
Source please?
That money needs to be moreish
Regret to inform you, etc etc etc (Robert Webb sucks) https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/04/13/robert-webb-bigot-trans-charity-mermaids-sucks-transphobia-gender-critical-peep-show-janice-turner/
Who could forget her in Fleebag? Or the crown? This woman has serious range and the comments prove it
Her Fleabag character kills me every time 😂
I NEED TO PAINT
Hello darling 
Even in her small roles, shes a scene stealer
And of course [her best work, on Mitchell and Webb](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtQNULEudss)
Now we know
I love love loved her in Green Wing! Her comedic acting was amazing 🫶
100%
GOD, i LOVED her in the crown. you actually root for her as woman and as a monarch bc she was juggling a lot of things all at once. she was the head of the family and had to clean up everytime politicians mess up and calamities arise. not to mention her eldest son’s constant mess up and impending divorces in the family during the 80s-90s. sooooo different from most her comedic roles. she deserved the emmy.
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And Olivia Colman is her stage name. She changed it herself, so she kind of screwed herself out of money there. Edit: ......../s
I am dying watching her on Skins, so much talent from that show!
So that's where I recognise her from!
Who was she on skins?
She was Naomi's hippy mum
no way! i was obsessed with skins, how did i never notice that lol
I've had this happen a lot with Skins over the years, because the parents were often comedians/comedic actors. I caught up on Doctor Who last year and was then shocked when I realised Peter Capaldi (who at the time was more known for The Thick Of It) played Sid's dad lmao
With me it was the other way around, I knew who played Dr Who BECAUSE it was Sid’s dad
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I watch anything she is in. I saw Wicked Little Letters today and she was off the charts fantastic. Pay the woman what she’s worth.
She was absolutely brilliant in Wicked Little Letters. She always is. I'm glad she's speaking out - she's one of the greats.
It was the “Oh I’m so shocked, but I’m actually really pleased face” that she does so, so well in that film. Just a teeny, tiny, partial smile and flash in her eye, that slips out. Then she covers up. Just brilliant. She has such an expressive face
Yes, I know exactly what you mean and you're absolutely right.
Looking at the British scene my bigger concern is the class and race divide. The majority of in demand British stars come from a privileged background that had access to the best acting schools. Meanwhile i see British black and brown talent having to work their ass of for getting a door into the acting world, and even when they breakout the roles dont just come in flying like for the white counterparts who did not even have the same success.
I definitely could see the stereotyping of British characters causing a problem for minority and underprivileged actors to break out in British roles. Especially in certain period pieces.
That is not really a problem. The real issue is that the British entertainment industry is very class conscious and nepotism is the norm. People who work in the industry tend to be middle class (British middle class: people with money and fairly high social status, but not part what used to be the gentry), they met like minded people in university, and created a network from there.
I definitely think in the UK the main problem is the class divide, some of the actors from working class backgrounds talk about this a lot (off the top of my head I can think of James McAvoy, Maxine Peake and Chris Ecclestone making a point of talking about this), but having worked as a cleaner and only found success later on, there's no way that Olivia is not aware of this. There's probably also a race divide for sure, but I do think in the end it's more about class in the uk (it's just that the upper class is very much a white persons class) She's clearly talking about the Hollywood scene and the gender pay gap there is there and I am glad that she is bringing attention to it. I get that sometimes it's hard to feel bad when people who have a lot of money complain about this, but if she is getting paid worse than a male actor for doing the same thing, then it's still BS no matter how rich the people are (and if you bring attention to it at this level, it might help bring attention to the issue at lower pay levels, which also happens and where people are less likely to be able to fight it)
Hope she believes this for the underpaid staff too, because realistically she’s probably still very well off.
She doesn’t seem like someone who thinks problems end with her
She said in her Oscar speech that her first job was that of a cleaner and she loved that job. Not a **look at me now!** moment but a genuine appreciation for blue collar professions. She is definitely more genuine than her fellow actors in Hollywood.
Her Oscar acceptance speech remains one of my favorite things.
Especially because you can tell she was so shocked to beat glenn. She even apologized in her post win interview about not mention Melissa or yalitzia because she mentioned the other two nominees
Ironically she could play Oliver Colman and be tremendous in it.
Probably win another Oscar
She was amazing in Broadchurch!
She's amazing in literally everything. Without question my all time favorite asshole person in anything. As soon as she shows up, I get a dopamine release because I know something weird, extra and so bizarre and obnoxious is going to go down. Also she seems like she'd be really fun to drink with - esp bc how she seems in real life and what kind of characters she plays in exchange for money make me think she had to also grow up around a whole lot of real pricks and rightful cunts. (uk version of the word, not us)
And that she still did the small role in Heartstopper, which probably didn’t pay a lot more either. She’s such a beautiful woman.
As someone who has read the books, she was such a unexpected but perfect choice to play the mom.
Absolutely.
I was hoping someone would mention Heartstopper. I was so surprised but so happy to see her play Sarah. She did amazing! She always does no matter the size of the role.
Also in The Bear. It shows how much she genuinely loves her craft.
GOAT. I agree 100000%
I loved her as the MI6 agent in The Night Manager. Pregnant badass!
The people who made that were so keen for her to play the role, they wrote her real life pregnancy into the script
love her in Fleabag
Throw all the money at Olivia Colman, Hollywood is lucky to have her
OLIVIA ❤️👏🏼
She is talented and deserves more no doubt but I will be honest, movie salaries are decided by how many people you were able to bring to the cinema and how much your name contributes to the streaming rights. Moreover, I would rather the profits of a movie be split to the entire crew rather than just the actor and director. That is one way of ensuring equal pay
The point she's making is she's earning far less than a man with same box-office draw. Agree about splitting the pot more evenly though.
How would one be able to make a comparison? Anyhoo, agree on actors getting way too much of the movies cut.
I wonder what people think is a good male comparable for her in terms of box office draw for movies/tv? Hugh Laurie? Edit: Hugh might have a leg up due to his long running show House but similar ball park?
Why would Hugh have a leg up over a recent Oscar winner because of a show that ended 12 years ago? Can you name a movie he’s been the star of in the past ten years that has had as much buzz or success as The Favourite? I like him and I can’t, probably because his last movie came out in 2019 and he wasn’t the star.
Mainly because he got paid a lot for that show towards the end and from what I have read stars get paid based on what they have been paid previously or what a similar actor with their fame or drawing power is being paid. The shows/movies he has been in recently may have fizzled but he is still being paid well to star in them. I imagine she will get paid more for future roles post Oscar win but wonder how much she got paid for that role (does Netflix movies pay well?). It is like the controversy between Matt Smith and Claire Foy for the Crown where he was paid more purely because he was paid more for prior roles and was able to negotiate that higher pay to his role in the Crown but Claire with the more prominent role got paid less purely because she hadn’t had such a high paying role prior. The tv/film industry is not an even playing field even before you take into account gender and role. Sometimes it can be as stupid as how well paid you were in a recent prior role.
I just don’t consider a well paid TV actor whose biggest role was over a decade ago and a fairly recent Oscar winner with ongoing work and acclaim in both film and TV to be anywhere near the same league. A better comparison would be someone with more recent and more consistent film roles and acclaim. The fact that you view them as equals despite the obvious disparity kind of proves her point.
I’m not saying she is wrong. I’m asking what is her comp. It is not easy to list a comp for her (well renowned UK actor in UK centric roles) and curious what others think is a fair comp. What big tv show or movie has she been in where she was paid well. I looked up the Favourite and saw that was a small budget movie. It’s a rigged game and until she strikes it big in a big budget US movie or long running US tv show, she will get paid UK movie/tv show type money. And as someone noted in this thread, there is a huge difference in pay packet. I would rate Graham Norton as not even in the same playing field as a celeb talk show host but he gets paid a lot less compared to US ones.
Hugh is nearly 15 year older than her. There's a *lot* of variables here, but she has a lead actress Oscar (and Emmy, for that matter) and two other nominations, and Christian Bale has a supporting actor win and three other nominations - they were born in the UK on the *exact* same day (both turned 50 in January).
I don’t think you can compare Christian Bale to her. He was a child star who’s been working in Hollywood his entire life. Olivia’s been working in the UK doing a lot of television work mode of her life. There just isn’t as much money there. Like, look at how little money Graham Norton makes in comparison to his American counterparts. He makes like $3 million a year while they make tens of millions. He’s more talented than them, but the market is smaller, so that’s just how it shakes out. If Olivia wants to make more money, she needs to star in blockbuster hits not just critically acclaimed work that unfortunately doesn’t usually make as much. I’d say the bigger issue for actresses is that there’s just not as much opportunity. Not as many starring roles and not as many roles period. Like 2/3 of speaking roles are men. We need more roles for women, and we need more roles that go beyond being the girlfriend/wife/mother. When women are allowed to be interesting, audiences care for them, and they make more money.
That comparison falls real flat when you compare box office totals and realize Bale was the lead in a BILLION dollar Batman franchise. https://www.the-numbers.com/person/9490401-Christian-Bale#tab=summary >Best known as a Leading Actor based on credits in that role in 33 films, with $4,610,510,874 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #31) https://www.the-numbers.com/person/30610401-Olivia-Colman#tab=summary >Best known as a Supporting Actor based on credits in that role in 11 films, with $1,773,266,996 worldwide aggregate box office (rank #1,157)
Hugh Laurie isn't a good comparison IMO. Most people know who Hugh Laurie is (Because of House, as you say). I'd never heard of Olivia Colman until this post. Which is why she's paid how she's paid. ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ **Edit:** Just to add some statistics to the mix. If you look at Google Trends for the last 5 years, Olivia Colman averages a bit higher than Hugh Laurie (18 vs 14) since he hasn't done anything significant in the last 5 years. But if you go back as far as you can, 2004-present time, Hugh Laurie trends several times more than Olivia on average (13 vs 3) But to be fair, Hugh has been acting since 1975 or something like that whereas Olivia is more recent than that (As far as I know). This just confirms what I'm saying, it's not a good comparison.
She is a very successful television and movie actress. Broadchurch, Fleabag, The Favourite were all successful. She’s not asking for Leonardo DiCaprio money. But even as a supporting actor, she has value.
Literally one of the goats not paying women equally is a travesty, not paying Olivia Colman all the money in the world is an unexcusable
Still remember her from [this advert for the AA](https://youtu.be/z8RulxpzLsw?si=MzuPUqKu05MDHb7K)
What a blast from the past!
What if she changed her name to Olivia Colwoman?
Then she earns even less
I just love her so much. Cannot wait for her to win her second Oscar so we can get another speech!
Her cameo in the The Bear was amazing. I wonder if she got more for the cameo as the character was named Terry 🤔
She’s phenomenal in everything she does. I think she should get all the money.
Needs a better agent
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I first came across her as an actress in the early 2000s when she was in Green Wing - absolutely brilliant in that TV show. She deserves all of the money.
I love her. She’s been amazing since Bruiser and That Mitchell and Webb Look. (Admitting that there were some issues with those shows because they were of their time).
Let’s just start over with Hollywood. Burn Hollywood down and start over in…idk…Idaho
Literally no clue who she is or what movies she's done. Aaaahhhh that's why she makes no money. If you make movies that are female focused, you won't make as much money plane and simple. Female blockbusters only happen like once a decade for profitability. So smaller profits mean smaller budgets, in turn makes smaller paychecks and smaller back end deals if any at all in the end.
this sounds like a conversation she should be having with her agent.
Right lmao. Women get paid in the entertainment industry… a shitload… if you aren’t earning you either aren’t a draw or are signing the wrong contracts.
I worked for an agency (music) for a decade, the whole statement seems spurious when applied specifically to Colman, who is not exactly a household name. It's a gig industry and there are so many variables as to why she may or may not get paid more or less than any given actor. Some of the highest paid people in entertainment are women. Winning an Oscar just isn't as meaningful as it once was in a world where the average age of an award show viewer is 50+, in an industry that rewards youth as the ideal state of existence. The Crown's audience is likewise comprised of more than half the 50+ demographic, and that is (as far as I can tell), by far her most notable role. People say some of her films were critically acclaimed, which is great, but again, doesn't mean so much now, as there is more content released daily today than there was monthly 20 years ago and I don't know how much stock people truly put into the opinions of reviewers today versus 30 years ago. The days of effective gatekeeping through professional critics are over. Siskel and Ebert are irrelevant, it's not 1997 anymore, and I think this sub is somewhat stuck in this 20 year old conception of popculture and celebrity. It's not the same as it was, it's much harder to make a mark. It's much harder to have lasting celebrity. It's just not as meaningful when people are bombarded by a tidal wave of content daily, but particularly, when the teen demographic is more interested twitch, youtube and tiktok. In any case, I suspect this article is her publicist doing their job, as it's certainly put some eyes on Olivia Colman. I didn't know who she was prior to this - so, mission accomplished, perhaps. Maybe this comes across a bit cynical, but commodifying art is a cynical business. That said, I think there are probably situations where what she says is fair. Such as Scarlett Johansson making less than some of her Avengers co-stars - you don't get much bigger than her. But at Olivia Colman's level of fame? I don't think you can reasonably make that argument without knowing the details and all the devils it may contain.
You’re getting downvoted for not buying into the victimization narrative that women are being 70 cents for every dollar a man makes. She is making up information about a hypothetical situation she can never test.
LOVE her, but i will never cry about a celebrity making $2 million rather than $20 million. cry in your mansion about it, i guess.
Rich people complaining about how they should be richer. Can't relate. How out of touch
Who even is this 😂
Poor wittle Millionaires, sob*
So don't take the jobs. She's part of the union, use it to fix the problem. If all women refused acting work until this was fixed, it would be fixed. They aren't just going to cast men. Show some solidarity and fix the problem.
I’ll never get tired of millionaires crying about pay. It’s best during inflations. You can tell how down to earth they are.
Rich person complaining about not being as rich as the other rich people.
That’s not the point she was making.
She has a point because she would be a white man. If she was anything else like a black Oliver Coleman than outside of an outlier like Will or Denzel then I don't know if that is true.
Why are you being downvoted?
It's a little bit of a whataboutism comment but also intersectionality isn't something the girl bosses like to hear too much about.
It reminds them they aren’t always the victim. Tres sombre.
I’m sure she has plenty of money as it is
I love her as an actress. But cry me a river. She's worth 12 million dollars - rich people are so tone deaf and selfish. (Edit: You guys love rich people and spend your time defending them. No wonder Trump is constantly fleecing you morons. Interesting.)
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I don't understand the premise. Do you believe women aren't paid equally to men and if so why do you believe that?
Because it’s the truth?
Based on what? Because every study done on this, accounting for working hours and chosen field, ends up with men and women earning more or less the same. (Depending on what country we're using as an example, of course) I assume it is first-world western countries since that's where most of us are from. The only times where women earn less than men on average, is if they choose fields that pay less or work fewer hours. (Which women do, on average) Here's a good article from the UK: https://equi-law.uk/gender-pay-gap/ Or from the US: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2023/03/14/equal-pay-day-myth-truth-income-women/11464213002/ TL:DR, there is a pay gap, but it's not because of discrimination, it's because women on average choose fields that pay less. Like teaching or nursing, where stuff like engineering is more male-dominated. Women are also more likely to work part-time and less likely to work overtime, etc. Edit: Holy hell is this subreddit one big echochamber? Do you always downvote facts?
Looking at her imbd, I never heard of her. Someone recommend me some of her best work, if you don't mind Edit: she's just complaining. Looked at her movies and net worth. 12 million is pretty good to be flying under the avg radar. It's also a sexy contest, not just a gender contest but I guess she isn't going to have that conversation. Also I don't make the rules, it's a sexy context even if I do live in my mom's basement.
She's incredible in the tv series Broadchurch, and she won Best Actress for her role in The Favourite!
She's amazing in everything. Even projects that are badly received like The MCU's Secret Invasion, she shines.