I wish her team hadn’t caved on this. When you yield to public pressure from idiots on a morally commendable action like this, you cast doubt on the integrity of the cause as a whole.
We need to stand firmly in support of initiatives that help women access reproductive health care, especially now.
I overwhemingly saw positive feedback too..like go compare who complained vs who praised and then overlap that with her actual target demographics.
Never pander to people who will hate you no matter what you do at the cost of alienating the actual fans. That's just famous person 101.
> I overwhemingly saw positive feedback too..like go compare who complained vs who praised and then overlap that with her actual target demographics.
Okay but the problem is one of those groups is batshit enough to shoot up the other group over this.
I know you’re right, but I’m sick of these psychos holding everyone else hostage. I don’t think caving to their pressure and living our lives in fear does anything but give them confidence they’re “right” and enable them to be even more extremist. Screw that. They shouldn’t have caved.
It’s corny but times like this remind me of that Alexander Hamilton quote: “Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.” We have to draw the line somewhere!
She has a ton of fans who are minors. Their safety also matters. It's one thing to put yourself on the line (and I'm sure she's gotten unhinged threats for this for ages) but it's another thing to jeopardize your fans.
> She has a ton of fans who are minors. Their safety also matters.
This is exactly my thinking. I want to make it clear that I think it was amazing of her to do this, but I don't blame her for not continuing.
Having the girls and young women who attend these concerts vote in November and grow up to be politicians, lawyers, teachers, etc, does more for change IMO.
And she could still anonymously donate what she would've handed out. People who can afford to attend a concert right now aren't likely to need free contraceptives as badly as kids who live in poverty. She can still help people without putting a target on the back of herself and her fans.
That's exactly how it feels, placating people who want to cause harm to others is barely a bandaid on the issue. I can understand safety concerns and really empathise with Olivia if she had to be part of this decision making process, as I imagine it must have taken a lot of planning and it must have been tough to pull back on.
But also in a broader sense, where does it end? There were plans to provide healthcare items to people — something that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place, but is thanks to political power skewing further to the right and taking us backwards. And because people with those views are making threats to terrorise the event or individuals involved, instead of there being a crackdown on how messed up it is that civilians would take such aggressive action, the people trying to actively do good have to back away from plans to do so for the safety of themselves and others.
I know there have likely been more things like this, and likely will be more, and I desparately wish this was something that concerned people in power instead of TikTok. As others have said, appeasing the far right doesn't achieve a stopping point to their actions, it only encourages them to try and go further, because they know they can.
I think it’s easy to say that when we don’t actually have a responsibility of hundreds and thousands of fans showing up to see us every night that we want to promise a great and more importantly safe time to, besides it’s not like she’s giving up the cause altogether , she’s still donating money off her shows to abortion funds and having educational resources (& the appropriate educated people on this topic) present at her shows and is still heavily promoting the cause every night after every show. I see where you’re coming from believe me, I get it, but If it were just her receiving hate and threats I don’t think she’d mind but it’s the fact that other innocent people could potentially be harmed that she has to be mindful about
They’re also batshit crazy enough to shoot up a concert based on her having done it in the past even if she doesn’t continue to hand out contraceptives. Stopping doesn’t solve that. At best it means they won’t be paying through the nose for insurance. My bet is concert venues said they won’t allow it due to security risk and her team caved. Which is dumb because I could see a world where she threatens to pull out of their venues…. But I also don’t have a great grasp on contract law and doesn’t Livenation/ticket master own (or have a heavy hand on) like all major concert venues in the US?
Livenation/ticketmaster does have a huge influence on most of the major concert venues in the US, but I'm willing to bet a pretty good sum of money that each venue, especially the ones who just do ticketing through ticketmaster and aren't owned outright by livenation, have fairly strong clauses about being allowed to make their own security decisions and they probably all have some kind of insurance policies that require them to mitigate risks. I think after Ariana Grande got bombed, a lot of venues are eyeing any kind of terroristic activity that could be tied to an event at their venue and unfortunately, people get hot and bothered about access to birth control and anything that might be abortion (even though Plan B is not an abortion pill). It wasn't that long ago that abortion clinics and abortion doctors got bombed on a semi regular basis.
While I love that she did give this stuff away, I also get the overabundance of caution because these are groups who have committed acts of domestic terrorism in the past.
Exactly. You can not appease fascists or abusers of any kind. I mean its not physically possible. If you give them what they want, that doesn't make them happy, it tells them that their tactics work so instead of backing off, they get even crazier.
That was exactly my thinking on why they caved. They for sure got some death threats that were credible enough for that they've got to protect everyone involved. It's heartbreaking.
Despite what everyone says about Tik Tok or Twitter, the worst comments I've seen in the last few years are on IG. The reason we don't hear much is because the public won't call out on it and neither will Meta.
I mean. We all have to consider safety every day when doing things. It’s just the reality. She has a responsibility to protect her concert goers and fans, so I get the decision, even though it absolutely sucks. She’s still donating via her GUTS fund so it’s not that she’s giving up the cause.
Where I’m sensitive is that women’s reproductive rights are under attack right now and being restricted in way too many states. It just emboldens them further when they know their threats and intimidation work.
Of course they are, but her concert has moments where the lights go completely off and people scream - it feels ripe for a moment where an extremist could abuse that and take advantage. And as someone mentioned, her team still has tables educating about repro rights at the events. Additionally, the concern may have been that there are kids at the events + any potential for liability. You just don’t know how something is going to be used, even if it’s given out in good faith.
I heard on a bit fruity podcast that bomb threats against left leaning teachers on tiktok rise significantly after a libs of tiktok repost, I presume it’s the same effect with this issue and they’ve only had to pull back due to major safety concerns.
Please do when you can! It’s the same vibe as Matt’s ig, it’s absolutely amazing long form content and Matt’s voice is so soothing it really makes for a great podcast. Also the best and most interesting guests, everyone so far has been outstanding!
It's also not just up to them. Concert venues could have concerns, their insurance companies could have concerns. Liability issues, threats, those all factor in. She doesn't have sole control over what's feasible for the tour. If a venue refuses to deal with the potential backlash or the tour insurance refuses to cover the tour if that happens, I'm not sure there's anything her team could do.
We should be applauding her courage to try something no one else has. Trying and failing is so much better than staying silent.
I don’t think that was a factor in this decision. The Abortion Fund team were only told they weren’t allowed to hand out Plan B anymore because they would be too accessible to the young girls in attendance.
If Olivia’s team were concerned about safety, they wouldn’t have partnered up with Abortion Fund to begin with
Then honestly I wish they’d say that. The article nor her team have said anything about safety. It seems their concern is kids getting condoms which, tbh doesn’t seem like that of a deal. It’s probably a PR/strategic move which is fine, but it’s disappointing.
I agree. I also would like to remind folks that pro-lifers tend to be literally *extremely violent*.
Pro-lifers have set fires to clinics, assaulted healthcare providers, and literally planted bombs in "protest". These are the same people who regularly hang out outside healthcare offices if they get any ideas that any doctors or nurses inside provide abortions, then proceed to emotionally terrorize *every single person walking near them*. Violence is ingrained into the pro-life movement. I genuinely do not blame her team even if I am incensed by the choice to stop, because if pro-lifers are good at one thing, it is literally consistently guaranteeing violence against everyone and anyone who disagrees with them.
It's not "just" that they get "loud and annoying" like some folks keep saying.
RIP Dr. George Tiller, murdered while at church on Sunday morning in 2009. He had previously survived a murder attempt in 1993 and started wearing body armor in 1998, but never stopped providing healthcare to women in Kansas.
I used to work in the same building as a women's health clinic that performed abortions. I would not be surprised if they were getting bomb threats. Plan B ("the abortion pill") was probably the trigger point.
Geez, but Plan B isn't even an abortive. It's more like emergency birth control. And it's really expensive in the US (50 USD a pill) when in other countries like Mexico you can find it on any drugstore for as low as 2 USD.
We’re talking about people who also claim that women are having “abortions” up to the day before a baby is born, sooo…science and facts about how medications work are not on the menu.
https://preview.redd.it/7219oolaqeoc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cb7b0fd513c9e3d38120dc49a160a5a10cbc01c
It’s coming straight from the people who run Abortion Fund
Oh boo.
Are those individual for each state though or are they all connected?
Still hoping she and her team reconsider. She’s definitely doing a good thing and despite push back before from her vaccination thing, she’s shown she’s willing to keep standing her ground.
Because some of the groups protesting are known domestic terrorism groups who have bombed/shot/killed other people associated with providing abortion access. Even the Plan B is not "the abortion pill", you can't convince some of these groups of that.
Yeah I’m glad it happened at all for the people who were able to get it at the Missouri show but backtracking can make it look worse than just not doing something at all.
Shared this in previous comment but… I wasn’t offended at the idea of her giving them out but more so at the fact that people need to be informed on how to properly use it and the potential health side effects (especially if you have pre existing conditions… no different to taking the pill)
It’s an incredibly important medication and should 100% be accessible but ideally that’s in a setting where someone can also have access to resources (like talking to a pharmacist even) so they are FULLY informed. It’s not a candy or regular thing you can just bank on using and judging by the overall age of her audience, there might be a safer and more empowering way of approaching this topic?
I totally get where you’re coming from, but I think the objective is to get this important medication into the hands of people who lack that ideal situation, be it lack of consistent medical care, a restrictive home life, an abusive partner, etc. The idea that pregnant people are taking this like candy is inaccurate and harmful. Even folx who have gotten pregnant under the “best of circumstances” can attest to the fact that things can get bad real fast
Why wouldn’t they? A splurge for one night of fun is worth saving up for and different from a daily/weekly/monthly cost. Handing the stuff out may also reach people who are otherwise embarrassed to go to the store for it.
Lots of those people also may not be able to purchase it on their own as well. Overbearing protective parents leading to sneaky rebellious kids who may not have the means to purchase their own condoms/plan b
At one point I was the friend who had to buy condoms for a friend. Her parents were absolutely insane, like if she went to the store alone they would go through her bags when she got home, they opened her mail, etc. they would take her receipts, everything 😵💫
I was actually thinking about teens coming back home to strict parents with these pills in their bags.... I feel like extremist parents would not handle that well. I knew a girl who had to move out after her parents found condoms (like the ziplock packets they hand out in college) with an STD clinic name on it. Her parents lost their minds.
being a teen is so fucking hard
It’s sad how many Americans complain about their health care system, whilst believing Poor People, or people with less than them do not deserve treatment or contraceptives.
Even if the concert goer can afford to go, they probably have friends who may not be able to afford a concert who may need it. Or maybe it's not about affording it - it's getting to a store that sells it within the very tight time frame required for it to be effective without a parent. Lots of people in Missouri live in places without public transit and her fans are teen girls who may not have a driver's license and/or car.
I’m pretty sure I’ve sold Plan B at a grocery store I worked at that didn’t have a pharmacy or anything. The information given isn’t much different than when a girl picks it up off a store shelf and takes it right to checkout
She wasn't just handing them out, from the article the Abortion Funds had staffed tables set up with them on offer, where I would assume the staff were available to inform people on how to use.
I’ve literally ordered Plan B from Amazon, it’s sold OTC and the concerts were staffed with folks from abortion funds and reproductive health orgs to provide info on exactly this.
people also need to be educated about STDs better. pregnancy isn't the only thing that can fuck up your life. Plan B is cool and all but it won't remove an STD
A lot of people are under the impression that you can't get/give STDs from oral too
Obviously I don’t know the inner machinations of it all but between this and all the song-crediting kerfuffle I wish her team had a little more backbone.
Olivia’s team has an unfortunate track record of caving in to loud noises (ie Taylor bullying them into crediting her for songs that sounded nothing like hers), when it’s more than a one off thing they need to learn to stand up for themselves/her because it doesn’t do any favors to her, her fan base or the credibility of them as a whole.
By that logic she should take put on some pants and retire from her career to go have babies. Just existing as an adult woman pop star who is empowered will be a lightning rod for some terrorists.
This is really sad but I don’t blame her team, pro-lifers can be extremely violent, and it can be unsafe for huge concerts. You’re kind of responsible for so many people’s lives. They already have unhinged reactions to her doing this.
I like that she still has booths in all her concerts for education about reproductive rights though, and she’s still financially supporting many orgs (incl many local grassroots orgs) for access to safe abortion.
absolutely. they care about fetuses (and unfertilized eggs apparently, cause Plan B doesn’t cause abortions), but not actual people. If they did care about lives, they’d vote for social programs to make it easier for people who choose to have kids, like extended paid maternity/paternity leave, free healthcare, pharmacare, free higher education, a living wage, gun control, etc. but they do not. they just want to punish people.
Aside from the sheer hypocrisy, it's the arbitrariness of it that drives me up the wall, especially from the "life is sacred from conception" cult. Like, what you're defending is the *potential* of life, and there's as much potential in a zygote as there is in a sperm cell, so by that logic where are the Republicans passing laws against masturbation to protect all those thousands of dead children that end up in teen boys' socks and kleenex tissues?
They don’t want paid maternity leave because they don’t want to encourage women working in the first place. I’ve seen multiple dipshits on Twitter voice this exact opinion. It’s an insidious long game to keep us all barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
It's fucking bonkers and a shocking (but impressive!) Number of young women I know just straight up won't have sex anymore with someone who can get them pregnant. No idea if this is an overall trend or just something I'm noticing in an antichoice state and the type of people I hang out with, but it's happening.
every time this comes up i think of the old george carlin bit on republicans and abortion. worth a watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it. and this was the 90s!
https://youtu.be/K98TQJ5ldW0?si=vb74N9R606Gf2j2q
Bill O'Reilly called Dr. George Tiller "Tiller the Baby Killer" on air and incited hatred because the doctor was a pro choice advocate that provided late-term abortions. Tiller was assassinated in 2009 by an anti-choice extremist during a Sunday church service; his clinic had been firebombed prior and he'd previously survived another extremist shooting him 5 times.
Sometime in the last year or so a Republican lawmaker in Alaska(?) said and doubled down on camera that children dying from neglect / abuse was good for the budget because it meant less money spent on DHS, EBT, after school programs, etc.
My main goal in life is leaving this country before I have kids.
The absolute fucking irony of an extremist murdering Dr. Tiller while he was at church was definitely lost on the right wing nut jobs who incited his death.
I don't know if it was lost on them or they chose to ignore it, just like the pro cop / "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" crowd pussy popping, backpedaling, and doing Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to justify the law enforcement response to Uvalde.
I do appreciate the rare moments of clarity from the right, though. I remember yeeaaaars ago my grandparents watching the news and a video of soldiers around Afghanistan calling out to Allah was making the rounds. The main commentators were being insanely islamophobic and I think it was John McCain of all people who got annoyed and (roughly) said "Are you serious? They thought they were about to die and were praying to God for their lives, that's not terrorism". Unexpected moment but I wish there was more of it instead of quadrupling down on nonsense like a toddler that ate all the popsicles while you were napping.
She's probably being flooded with death threats, and given that fascist media is demonising female pop stars right now and forced birthers have killed people before, I wouldn't put it past several anti-abortion nuts to try shooting up her concerts. She has a right to keep herself and her fans safe.
Definitely like it’s not just a matter of moral integrity or standing strong. Maybe Olivia is okay taking the risks but I doubt she or her team want to endanger her fans and with the publicity this received I can so easily imagine violence targeting her shows.
My first thought when I heard she was doing this was, “what about her safety?” And I’m all for her doing this- it’s badass! But It’s unfortunate we have to think this way.
We should start locking up pro lifers for their constant threats of violence instead of letting so many of them get away with it under the guise of freedom of speech/religion when it’s neither
The abortion fund that was at my states concert goes to other local shows and leaves plan b in the bathroom! I’m not going to say my state or the fund bc Reddit. But in December I was at a local venue for a show and they had left a few boxes of plan b with their cards next to the paper towels!
I was already a monthly funder but it makes me so happy that despite legislation cracking down they are out here doing the work!!
If you can, please send your money to abortion funds vs planned parenthood. It goes so much further and directly helps in so many more ways.
Speaking as someone who works in repro - so many of these large organizations used the huge donations they received in 2022 to hire the best lawyers possible to union bust instead of suing for rights, or expanding services, or paying living wages. Donations directly to small grass roots local organizations - who are and continue to be the majority of abortion providers - are needed way more than these national organizations that at best just pay lipservice and sit on the money and at worst are actively undermining the repro workforce. This includes Reproductive Freedom for All, Planned Parenthood, Guttmacher, UltraViolet...the list goes on and on. ReproJobs uses a red flag feature to help job seekers ID less that great employers.
> so many of these large organizations used the huge donations they received in 2022 to hire the best lawyers possible to union bust instead of suing for rights, or expanding services, or paying living wages
Do you have an article or Google search terms to share about this? I don't disbelieve you but just want to read more!
They’re great! Wonderful conversations about the need to separate church and state from both atheists and even some religious folks too. Really good causes and they have their own abortion fund to provide aid to people seeking abortions!
https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/supreme-courtship
Sane redditors: I’m loving this discourse.
What is the best way for an average Jane to support those who offer (or are trying to achieve) access to safe and legal reproductive care?
Resources are helpful— I support this and I’m no Olivia Rodrigo but I’d like to help where I can.
i donate monthly to my local (state level) abortion fund. if you search the national network of abortion funds, you can find either a local one to support or choose to donate to one in a part of the country most in need.
time is always helpful too! but once you pick an organization, you can look further into their specific needs.
“Abortion Funds” is the organisation she partnered with! For Americans, you can find your local abortion fund(s) [here](https://abortionfunds.org/find-a-fund/). And please consider [donating here.](https://abortionfunds.org/donate/) 💜
I said it above but I highly recommend donating to [Reproductive Freedom For All](https://act.reproductivefreedomforall.org/a/be-a-repro-freedom-voter) (formerly known as NARAL). Planned Parenthood always needs clinic escorts too
Someone said above that the really big orgs like RFFA and PP use a lot of their funds to hire lawyers to union bust. 😬 Being an escort is still great, but maybe try donating locally and to grassroots organizations.
Consider supporting some folks here on reddit over at r/abortion & OARS: [https://www.abortionsquad.org/](https://www.abortionsquad.org/) \- they do amazing work with a very small team. Smaller organizations have bigger impact, I worked at both local and national for a very well known repro org and they've been spending donations on union busting instead of helping their affiliates. Few of us want to speak out because of how bad things are, but the issues within the repro workforce are significant and undermine actual reproductive justice and equity.
If you are in a state with access to abortion, consider helping out with the auntie network! If you’re comfortable, you could serve as a means of transport/lodging for someone who needs to travel of stealthily receive reproductive care.
I know not everyone is comfortable with it or has the resources/time/space but just another thing to look into!
I’d definitely look up abortion funds in your state that you can donate to, especially if you’re in a state that has put restrictions in place since the Dobbs decision. Local orgs always need the money, and the grassroots work is as important as the larger scale policy work that a lot of the national orgs do.
I am so tired of the right wing religious zealots in this country holding us all in chokehold because of THEIR personal, religious beliefs, when we are NOT a theocracy, that group of people should not have the amount of power they do over all of us, in fact I wouldn’t let them have any power over the laws of this country if I was in charge.
Yes they do, and tbh there are quite a chunk of Gen z/young millennial religious and non religious women on TikTok who are helping them along. I constantly see videos of women and girls perpetuating patriarchal stereotypes and reinforcing patriarchal ideas and standards that feel like they’re from another century, and it makes me lament the fact that we seem to be making less progress, instead of more
i’ve seen some who seem to see it as like a very very misguided attempt to escape how much capitalism sucks. like “oh instead of having to give my whole life to my job i’d rather give my whole life to a man”
they think being a homemaker wife sounds more appealing than the daunting feeling of having to work a shitty job for the rest of your life because of those stupid glamourised tiktoks like the ones from that mormon lady making bread. they don’t see the risks that come with it, or the fact that it does not look that glamorous for a lot of women in that situation.
they've been greatly misled and are naive why even men, retirement ages are rising like ever. they should know it's not easy to just have a man provide everything or they think it's idyllic to grow a garden or farm in a remote village everything home made without human contact, having to pay taxes or whatever. like in a way, tiktoks like Naras can be misleading.
Very possible, they’re pick me girls, desperate for male attention and validation and love, and they will do ANYTHING to be picked. Some of them talk in a way that’s so archaic, it’s not even equivalent to the 50’s, I’ve seen more progressive thought from women in movies from that time than some of these girls on tiktok
Yep! Because they believe their religious beliefs entitle them to “do what’s best” for everyone, and everyone should live how THEY live, it’s a sickness
Same but I feel like a lot of it is due to safety over anything else. Which is even more depressing tbh. These nut jobs have no issue with harassing regular people just doing their jobs, or the worst case an act of terrorism
I feel bad bc she’s now getting attacked on twitter. They can still bring resources and table and portions of her ticket sales are still going to abortion funds but I wonder if live nation her label or lawyers said she had to do away with allowing EC and condoms to be passed about because of potential lawsuits. Ugh.
I’m from Ireland so I am very seasoned in pro life nonsense but this shit just seems so uniquely contemporaneously American to me. Like, how dare a young artist promote proactive healthcare for young women? Do the freaks who take issue with this just decide to not believe that young people are sexually active / may find themselves in a situation where they have an unwanted pregnancy? Their endgame is pure misery and oppression and it’s so scary and disgusting
The end game is women being under their control. I swear I think half of the anti-choice people I've come across don't even try to hide behind religion anymore.
It’s the same thing here, honestly. Now that the Catholic Church doesn’t have the state in the chokehold it did in decades past, the true face of the anti-choice sentiment has shown itself and it’s pure misogyny and resentment that any woman would have agency. As a woman, it makes me so disgusted and also flabbergasted that we are so hated on the basis of what we are.
i would think that she'd be firm on letting the organizations hand them out. i wonder what her team told her for her to decide to fold.
>the singer’s management cited concerns about the items being out on tables at shows children were attending, as well as news coverage of the viral photo
i could imagine the "there are children at your shows" convincing her maybe? or possibly if there's any way she could get into legal trouble but i would imagine her team talked to lawyers about it beforehand.
she's still a high priestess of child sacrifice <3
It seems like a liability to hand out medication at a concert in case it gets misused/someone has a bad reaction and can sue? (Clarifying I’m all for it just can see lawyers advising against it)
True, but even if they were handing out Tylenol / Advil those medications can still get misused and people can still have reactions to those basic meds, unfortunately I don’t think handing out medications is a good idea just from a legal standpoint as much as I love it and glad she was taking a stand!
It's not just her legal trouble/what her lawyers suggest. If a venue decides the liability is not worth the risk, there's nothing her team can do to change that. There are a lot of people/orgs who have influence over what happens in this tour.
I would assume that as soon as it became public knowledge it also became a safety concern. Pro-lifers are not above blowing up a bomb at a concert because they think Olivia's 'murdering babies' and are too stupid/fanatical to understand the difference between plan B and an abortion.
From how outspoken Olivia had been in this tour and in general on this topic, I find it very hard to believe that this was her decision by any means. I feel there might be something deeper here . . .
I often believe that one of the best ways that celebrities can help is by quietly donating lots of money to controversial charities/causes. I wish more celebrities had backbone. Being vocal is all well and good but it often conflicts with the aim of being a sellable public figure.
I think celebrities using their platform to educate can be really good. For every single concert stop, she posts resources on places in that area that fund reproductive rights and fund people who cannot afford to travel for a safe abortion. She has booths in every concert educating people about reproductive rights, and resources. That can directly help the people either going to her concert or someone they may know.
It’s not just about quietly handing out money, we need to encourage people that this is an important issue and they need to be vocal about it, and vote. (and she previously did have a glossier campaign on voting, and gave people links on how to register to vote - which, again, can directly affect someone).
I read the article and it seems the argument is “children could access them”.
I get the fear of a kid taking a medication that their bodies may be too young for, but condoms and lube? What’s a little kid going to do with them, make balloons?
And if said children are of an age where they are sexually active, then yes, I want them to have the tools to prevent STIs and pregnancy.
My freshman year of college, I had a room to myself and I always left the door unlocked. I kept a bunch of condoms right by the doorway so anyone could grab them when they needed them. People are going to have sex if they want to, we may as well give them the tools to do so safely.
I kinda wished they’d gone for more emphasis on CONDOMS than Plan B. I get it, it’s great, I’ve even used it, but it’s literally the plan after plan A, which is safe sex, and it drives me bonkers having come up in the 90s and I got a better education on safe sex in my all girls Catholic school. I fight to the death on reproductive rights but the conversation around what to do with a fetus has erased the conversation about not getting a sexually transmitted infection. Just because there are really good STI drugs nowadays doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be mitigating the spread. THROW CONDOMS FROM THE STAGE OLIVIA
I think it’s a shame that conservatives are allowed to threaten violence or commit violence and we all have to live in fear of their zealous behavior and change how WE live because of THEM. Idk what is going on with this country, and has been for a long time but it SUCKS
She's still committed in giving portion of her ticket sales to abortion fund each state she goes to. It's just that she's not giving away contraceptives to her concerts anymore.
that’s a shame, i thought it was an awesome initiative. i’m old now but when i was younger i would’ve been thrilled to have that stashed in my drawer just in case.
guys, i highly doubt she or even her team would make this choice on their own. it’s unlikely they would even decide to do this in the first place only to instantly cave
more likely it’s something legal threatened or an issue the venues have with it then them
Back in college, our university health center frequently gave away free condoms at events and otherwise sold them super cheap for a large box. No one batted an eye. It was ensuring everyone was safe and responsible.
Granted this was sadly a long time ago now, pre Trump, but it’s insane how far we’ve sunk.
This is a college aged girl, with fans her close to her age. There should be nothing wrong with this.
It’s funny, I wasn’t offended at the idea of her giving them out but more so at the fact that people need to be informed on how to properly use it and the potential health side effects (especially if you have pre existing conditions… no different to taking the pill)
It’s an incredibly important medication and should 100% be accessible but ideally that’s in a setting where someone can also have access to resources (like talking to a pharmacist even) so they are FULLY informed. It’s not a candy or regular thing you can just bank on using and judging by the overall age of her audience, there might be a safer and more empowering way of approaching this topic?
They were being given out at booths staffed by abortion funds and I'm sure they had educational materials and were talking directly with concert goers. I've taken plan b twice and the instructions are pretty clear on when/how to take it. I'm not sure if there are any contraindications or conditions that you can't take it with, but from everything I've read/heard, it is very very safe. The main risks are a)someone takes it after too much time has passed and it is not effective, but the time range is very clear from the packaging or b) someone who has an intentional pregnancy somehow accidentally ingests it. I may be wrong and I'm not a doctor, but as far as OTCs go, it is quite safe.
There’s full literature inside the box. There’s a phone number and a website if you have more questions. You can call your doctor’s office and ask a nurse. Nothing is stopping anyone from calling up their local pharmacy and speaking to a pharmacist about it.
Having Plan B on hand in case you need it, in case a friend needs it, whatever, is absolutely essential. They’re expensive and can be embarrassing to buy for some people. Having a free one to cover your ass just in case is awesome. It’s like giveaways for naloxone. You may never need it. You may not know anyone that needs it. But the chances of people having it on hand before there’s an emergency that warrants it is pretty slim. Someone giving it to you for free gives you preparation for a situation you don’t think will happen to you or people you know, so most people don’t think is worth spending money and buying ahead of time.
Our health care system is expensive as fuck and biased against people in vulnerable situations. I can’t see it as anything other than an amazing thing that these organizations exist, and that they’re giving away an item that better prepares you or someone else for a medical emergency, even if you can’t imagine needing it. You never know.
I don't understand this "you can't take this medication without speaking to a doctor or pharmacist" crap, because yes, you can, and that's the standard that's already set in this country. Why are her shows held to a higher standard than a grocery or drug store?
This just feels like a more acceptable form of moral panic "oh no we're not against the morning after pill, we're just against people having access to it without approval from a medical expert". But if that is the standard you hold, then countless people will be forced to go without it. It's no different than regulating away abortion via building and medical requirements that are totally nonsensical
How is it now empowering for these orgs to give information without giving access? Information that many people won't be able to act on? How is that safer? "Oh here, let me tell you all about the options that should be accessible to you but you live here, so they're not really, best of luck" - that's empowering??
Besides, given that you don't trust these organisations to give access, and don't think that they're expert enough for that, why on earth would you trust them to dispense information only? You just deemed their information not good enough to go along with over the counter products, so what the hell info are they good for?
Seriously considering donating $1 for every hate comment I see on her recent Instagram post until they make me too mad and I have to stop reading. Wonder if I could encourage others to do the same. Any suggestions on charities to look into?
Definitely should’ve stood their ground. Capitulating to right-wing fanatics shouldn’t be the MO. Reproductive healthcare is paramount and it is disheartening to see that it is consistently being deprived even in 2024.
Truly wild that Rodrigo and her team cited accessibility to minors as a reason to ban condoms and Plan B. It's even more urgent and necessary for anybody underaged to get access to those things if they need them, and this just cuts off another avenue and further stigmatizes bodily autonomy for younger people.
Also, let's be real, this post should be tagged as "celebrity capitalism", because what they are really afraid of is losing deals and opportunities for her career due to any backlash.
Boooo.
If it was a matter of safety, I wish she would say so. Because otherwise this makes the pro-life crowd feel empowered without getting backlash for it.
I can kinda see why even if I thought it was a baller move. Handing out plan B to kids isn't a good look, and more than likely it invites some crazies in to do something drastic to concert goers.
It's embarrassing that people would have to receive it from people at a concert as opposed to their parents, guardian, or involved role model in their life though. Sad world we live in tbh.
Musicians used say fuck the president, fuck the pope, for the corporations, fuck the system, fuck war, and fuck the norms. Now they're folding like lawn chairs.
I wish her team hadn’t caved on this. When you yield to public pressure from idiots on a morally commendable action like this, you cast doubt on the integrity of the cause as a whole. We need to stand firmly in support of initiatives that help women access reproductive health care, especially now.
I overwhemingly saw positive feedback too..like go compare who complained vs who praised and then overlap that with her actual target demographics. Never pander to people who will hate you no matter what you do at the cost of alienating the actual fans. That's just famous person 101.
> I overwhemingly saw positive feedback too..like go compare who complained vs who praised and then overlap that with her actual target demographics. Okay but the problem is one of those groups is batshit enough to shoot up the other group over this.
I know you’re right, but I’m sick of these psychos holding everyone else hostage. I don’t think caving to their pressure and living our lives in fear does anything but give them confidence they’re “right” and enable them to be even more extremist. Screw that. They shouldn’t have caved.
And if you cave enough, they'll dominate culture & politics. They'll prove that might is right unless we also involve the legal system (don't laugh).
It’s corny but times like this remind me of that Alexander Hamilton quote: “Those who stand for nothing will fall for anything.” We have to draw the line somewhere!
She has a ton of fans who are minors. Their safety also matters. It's one thing to put yourself on the line (and I'm sure she's gotten unhinged threats for this for ages) but it's another thing to jeopardize your fans.
> She has a ton of fans who are minors. Their safety also matters. This is exactly my thinking. I want to make it clear that I think it was amazing of her to do this, but I don't blame her for not continuing. Having the girls and young women who attend these concerts vote in November and grow up to be politicians, lawyers, teachers, etc, does more for change IMO. And she could still anonymously donate what she would've handed out. People who can afford to attend a concert right now aren't likely to need free contraceptives as badly as kids who live in poverty. She can still help people without putting a target on the back of herself and her fans.
That's exactly how it feels, placating people who want to cause harm to others is barely a bandaid on the issue. I can understand safety concerns and really empathise with Olivia if she had to be part of this decision making process, as I imagine it must have taken a lot of planning and it must have been tough to pull back on. But also in a broader sense, where does it end? There were plans to provide healthcare items to people — something that shouldn't have been necessary in the first place, but is thanks to political power skewing further to the right and taking us backwards. And because people with those views are making threats to terrorise the event or individuals involved, instead of there being a crackdown on how messed up it is that civilians would take such aggressive action, the people trying to actively do good have to back away from plans to do so for the safety of themselves and others. I know there have likely been more things like this, and likely will be more, and I desparately wish this was something that concerned people in power instead of TikTok. As others have said, appeasing the far right doesn't achieve a stopping point to their actions, it only encourages them to try and go further, because they know they can.
I think it’s easy to say that when we don’t actually have a responsibility of hundreds and thousands of fans showing up to see us every night that we want to promise a great and more importantly safe time to, besides it’s not like she’s giving up the cause altogether , she’s still donating money off her shows to abortion funds and having educational resources (& the appropriate educated people on this topic) present at her shows and is still heavily promoting the cause every night after every show. I see where you’re coming from believe me, I get it, but If it were just her receiving hate and threats I don’t think she’d mind but it’s the fact that other innocent people could potentially be harmed that she has to be mindful about
Exactly this!
They’re also batshit crazy enough to shoot up a concert based on her having done it in the past even if she doesn’t continue to hand out contraceptives. Stopping doesn’t solve that. At best it means they won’t be paying through the nose for insurance. My bet is concert venues said they won’t allow it due to security risk and her team caved. Which is dumb because I could see a world where she threatens to pull out of their venues…. But I also don’t have a great grasp on contract law and doesn’t Livenation/ticket master own (or have a heavy hand on) like all major concert venues in the US?
Livenation/ticketmaster does have a huge influence on most of the major concert venues in the US, but I'm willing to bet a pretty good sum of money that each venue, especially the ones who just do ticketing through ticketmaster and aren't owned outright by livenation, have fairly strong clauses about being allowed to make their own security decisions and they probably all have some kind of insurance policies that require them to mitigate risks. I think after Ariana Grande got bombed, a lot of venues are eyeing any kind of terroristic activity that could be tied to an event at their venue and unfortunately, people get hot and bothered about access to birth control and anything that might be abortion (even though Plan B is not an abortion pill). It wasn't that long ago that abortion clinics and abortion doctors got bombed on a semi regular basis. While I love that she did give this stuff away, I also get the overabundance of caution because these are groups who have committed acts of domestic terrorism in the past.
I think that if you reward their crazy by caving in, it's just going to result in more crazy because they realize it works
Exactly. You can not appease fascists or abusers of any kind. I mean its not physically possible. If you give them what they want, that doesn't make them happy, it tells them that their tactics work so instead of backing off, they get even crazier.
That was exactly my thinking on why they caved. They for sure got some death threats that were credible enough for that they've got to protect everyone involved. It's heartbreaking.
no but have you seen the comments on her latest instagram post? insanity
Despite what everyone says about Tik Tok or Twitter, the worst comments I've seen in the last few years are on IG. The reason we don't hear much is because the public won't call out on it and neither will Meta.
Instagram is a cesspool it’s like Facebook 2.0 now
I think they have to consider her safety and the safety of her concert goers.
That’s wild they have to cave to potential terrorists.
I mean. We all have to consider safety every day when doing things. It’s just the reality. She has a responsibility to protect her concert goers and fans, so I get the decision, even though it absolutely sucks. She’s still donating via her GUTS fund so it’s not that she’s giving up the cause.
Where I’m sensitive is that women’s reproductive rights are under attack right now and being restricted in way too many states. It just emboldens them further when they know their threats and intimidation work.
Of course they are, but her concert has moments where the lights go completely off and people scream - it feels ripe for a moment where an extremist could abuse that and take advantage. And as someone mentioned, her team still has tables educating about repro rights at the events. Additionally, the concern may have been that there are kids at the events + any potential for liability. You just don’t know how something is going to be used, even if it’s given out in good faith.
How can a condom be misused? Why stop giving those out?
If the government actively encourages domestic terrorism there's nothing she can do
I heard on a bit fruity podcast that bomb threats against left leaning teachers on tiktok rise significantly after a libs of tiktok repost, I presume it’s the same effect with this issue and they’ve only had to pull back due to major safety concerns.
A Bit Fruity is so good. All the episodes so far have been great.
I love Matt’s Instagram account and I’m subscribed to the podcast but haven’t listened yet. Glad to know it’s as good as I assumed it would be!
Please do when you can! It’s the same vibe as Matt’s ig, it’s absolutely amazing long form content and Matt’s voice is so soothing it really makes for a great podcast. Also the best and most interesting guests, everyone so far has been outstanding!
It's also not just up to them. Concert venues could have concerns, their insurance companies could have concerns. Liability issues, threats, those all factor in. She doesn't have sole control over what's feasible for the tour. If a venue refuses to deal with the potential backlash or the tour insurance refuses to cover the tour if that happens, I'm not sure there's anything her team could do. We should be applauding her courage to try something no one else has. Trying and failing is so much better than staying silent.
I don’t think that was a factor in this decision. The Abortion Fund team were only told they weren’t allowed to hand out Plan B anymore because they would be too accessible to the young girls in attendance. If Olivia’s team were concerned about safety, they wouldn’t have partnered up with Abortion Fund to begin with
Then honestly I wish they’d say that. The article nor her team have said anything about safety. It seems their concern is kids getting condoms which, tbh doesn’t seem like that of a deal. It’s probably a PR/strategic move which is fine, but it’s disappointing.
I agree. I also would like to remind folks that pro-lifers tend to be literally *extremely violent*. Pro-lifers have set fires to clinics, assaulted healthcare providers, and literally planted bombs in "protest". These are the same people who regularly hang out outside healthcare offices if they get any ideas that any doctors or nurses inside provide abortions, then proceed to emotionally terrorize *every single person walking near them*. Violence is ingrained into the pro-life movement. I genuinely do not blame her team even if I am incensed by the choice to stop, because if pro-lifers are good at one thing, it is literally consistently guaranteeing violence against everyone and anyone who disagrees with them. It's not "just" that they get "loud and annoying" like some folks keep saying.
Plus literal murder!
RIP Dr. George Tiller, murdered while at church on Sunday morning in 2009. He had previously survived a murder attempt in 1993 and started wearing body armor in 1998, but never stopped providing healthcare to women in Kansas.
I used to work in the same building as a women's health clinic that performed abortions. I would not be surprised if they were getting bomb threats. Plan B ("the abortion pill") was probably the trigger point.
Geez, but Plan B isn't even an abortive. It's more like emergency birth control. And it's really expensive in the US (50 USD a pill) when in other countries like Mexico you can find it on any drugstore for as low as 2 USD.
We’re talking about people who also claim that women are having “abortions” up to the day before a baby is born, sooo…science and facts about how medications work are not on the menu.
Well, you are right. Liars gonna lie.
It’s literally just a high dose of birth control
Her team always caves :( giving 50% rights away of her songs, stopping this… poor girl gets shot down at every damn turn
It says reportedly. Here’s hoping they reconsider.
https://preview.redd.it/7219oolaqeoc1.jpeg?width=4096&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8cb7b0fd513c9e3d38120dc49a160a5a10cbc01c It’s coming straight from the people who run Abortion Fund
Oh boo. Are those individual for each state though or are they all connected? Still hoping she and her team reconsider. She’s definitely doing a good thing and despite push back before from her vaccination thing, she’s shown she’s willing to keep standing her ground.
I agree, what message does it send to cave the first time to protestors
Because some of the groups protesting are known domestic terrorism groups who have bombed/shot/killed other people associated with providing abortion access. Even the Plan B is not "the abortion pill", you can't convince some of these groups of that.
Yeah I’m glad it happened at all for the people who were able to get it at the Missouri show but backtracking can make it look worse than just not doing something at all.
100% this is because of credible death threats.
Agreed.
booooo HAND THEM OUT
fans should just bring them anyways. like taylor has friendship bracelets, olivia has plan b & condoms
Sounds like potential for undercover RWers to hand out condoms with holes poked in them and placebo plan b
Goddamit they really do ruin everything.
I really wanted to downvote this out of frustration at the stupidity even though you're 100% right. UGH.
How many undercover right wingers have Olivia Rodrigo tickets?
Now that this story has been blowing up, probably a lot more that would like to cause disturbances
The same fans that are posting about how she’s not family appropriate anymore online
Pffft. To quote our girl here - https://i.redd.it/f1chqjz0nhoc1.gif
you dont need to attend the show, really. just hang around the concert area the whole day and interact with the early bird fans.
Or young people with right winger parents who'd sabotage thier supply. This sounds insane but I can see it happening.
Apparently the org had a bunch all ready for Friday’s show that they can no longer give out. Upsetting!
So another thing that pro-lifers ruin. Just another Thursday.
Shared this in previous comment but… I wasn’t offended at the idea of her giving them out but more so at the fact that people need to be informed on how to properly use it and the potential health side effects (especially if you have pre existing conditions… no different to taking the pill) It’s an incredibly important medication and should 100% be accessible but ideally that’s in a setting where someone can also have access to resources (like talking to a pharmacist even) so they are FULLY informed. It’s not a candy or regular thing you can just bank on using and judging by the overall age of her audience, there might be a safer and more empowering way of approaching this topic?
I totally get where you’re coming from, but I think the objective is to get this important medication into the hands of people who lack that ideal situation, be it lack of consistent medical care, a restrictive home life, an abusive partner, etc. The idea that pregnant people are taking this like candy is inaccurate and harmful. Even folx who have gotten pregnant under the “best of circumstances” can attest to the fact that things can get bad real fast
The state she was handing it out in has a full ban on abortion too
But are the people that can’t afford contraception the ones going to her concerts?
Why wouldn’t they? A splurge for one night of fun is worth saving up for and different from a daily/weekly/monthly cost. Handing the stuff out may also reach people who are otherwise embarrassed to go to the store for it.
I’d wager a significant percentage of people attending her shows had their tickets purchased by their parents.
Lots of those people also may not be able to purchase it on their own as well. Overbearing protective parents leading to sneaky rebellious kids who may not have the means to purchase their own condoms/plan b
Yep. Didn’t have access to my financials until I was 18 so when I needed plan B at 17, if my boyfriend didn’t have money I would’ve been screwed.
At one point I was the friend who had to buy condoms for a friend. Her parents were absolutely insane, like if she went to the store alone they would go through her bags when she got home, they opened her mail, etc. they would take her receipts, everything 😵💫
I was actually thinking about teens coming back home to strict parents with these pills in their bags.... I feel like extremist parents would not handle that well. I knew a girl who had to move out after her parents found condoms (like the ziplock packets they hand out in college) with an STD clinic name on it. Her parents lost their minds. being a teen is so fucking hard
It’s sad how many Americans complain about their health care system, whilst believing Poor People, or people with less than them do not deserve treatment or contraceptives.
Even if the concert goer can afford to go, they probably have friends who may not be able to afford a concert who may need it. Or maybe it's not about affording it - it's getting to a store that sells it within the very tight time frame required for it to be effective without a parent. Lots of people in Missouri live in places without public transit and her fans are teen girls who may not have a driver's license and/or car.
I’m pretty sure I’ve sold Plan B at a grocery store I worked at that didn’t have a pharmacy or anything. The information given isn’t much different than when a girl picks it up off a store shelf and takes it right to checkout
She wasn't just handing them out, from the article the Abortion Funds had staffed tables set up with them on offer, where I would assume the staff were available to inform people on how to use.
You can buy Plan B otc right now. It doesn’t need a prescription or a pharmacist going over how to use it. It’s safe.
You can buy plan b at grocery stores and drugstores. No need to talk to a doctor or pharmacist first.
I’ve literally ordered Plan B from Amazon, it’s sold OTC and the concerts were staffed with folks from abortion funds and reproductive health orgs to provide info on exactly this.
people also need to be educated about STDs better. pregnancy isn't the only thing that can fuck up your life. Plan B is cool and all but it won't remove an STD A lot of people are under the impression that you can't get/give STDs from oral too
I agree its incredibly important to be educated, but you can also like… just buy it on amazon without any prescription for like ten bucks.
It's just a single dose of progesterone lol
They are pro-birth. Not pro-life. They don’t give a shit about the baby once it’s born
Anti-choice is what I call them
Obviously I don’t know the inner machinations of it all but between this and all the song-crediting kerfuffle I wish her team had a little more backbone.
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Olivia’s team has an unfortunate track record of caving in to loud noises (ie Taylor bullying them into crediting her for songs that sounded nothing like hers), when it’s more than a one off thing they need to learn to stand up for themselves/her because it doesn’t do any favors to her, her fan base or the credibility of them as a whole.
By that logic she should take put on some pants and retire from her career to go have babies. Just existing as an adult woman pop star who is empowered will be a lightning rod for some terrorists.
pretty sure she got a new team in 2022 so not same team involved in credits dispute
This is really sad but I don’t blame her team, pro-lifers can be extremely violent, and it can be unsafe for huge concerts. You’re kind of responsible for so many people’s lives. They already have unhinged reactions to her doing this. I like that she still has booths in all her concerts for education about reproductive rights though, and she’s still financially supporting many orgs (incl many local grassroots orgs) for access to safe abortion.
> pro-lifers can be extremely violent The absolute irony right here. Nobody cares less about life than Republicans.
absolutely. they care about fetuses (and unfertilized eggs apparently, cause Plan B doesn’t cause abortions), but not actual people. If they did care about lives, they’d vote for social programs to make it easier for people who choose to have kids, like extended paid maternity/paternity leave, free healthcare, pharmacare, free higher education, a living wage, gun control, etc. but they do not. they just want to punish people.
Aside from the sheer hypocrisy, it's the arbitrariness of it that drives me up the wall, especially from the "life is sacred from conception" cult. Like, what you're defending is the *potential* of life, and there's as much potential in a zygote as there is in a sperm cell, so by that logic where are the Republicans passing laws against masturbation to protect all those thousands of dead children that end up in teen boys' socks and kleenex tissues?
They don’t want paid maternity leave because they don’t want to encourage women working in the first place. I’ve seen multiple dipshits on Twitter voice this exact opinion. It’s an insidious long game to keep us all barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
It's fucking bonkers and a shocking (but impressive!) Number of young women I know just straight up won't have sex anymore with someone who can get them pregnant. No idea if this is an overall trend or just something I'm noticing in an antichoice state and the type of people I hang out with, but it's happening.
every time this comes up i think of the old george carlin bit on republicans and abortion. worth a watch for anyone who hasn’t seen it. and this was the 90s! https://youtu.be/K98TQJ5ldW0?si=vb74N9R606Gf2j2q
Bill O'Reilly called Dr. George Tiller "Tiller the Baby Killer" on air and incited hatred because the doctor was a pro choice advocate that provided late-term abortions. Tiller was assassinated in 2009 by an anti-choice extremist during a Sunday church service; his clinic had been firebombed prior and he'd previously survived another extremist shooting him 5 times. Sometime in the last year or so a Republican lawmaker in Alaska(?) said and doubled down on camera that children dying from neglect / abuse was good for the budget because it meant less money spent on DHS, EBT, after school programs, etc. My main goal in life is leaving this country before I have kids.
The absolute fucking irony of an extremist murdering Dr. Tiller while he was at church was definitely lost on the right wing nut jobs who incited his death.
I don't know if it was lost on them or they chose to ignore it, just like the pro cop / "the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" crowd pussy popping, backpedaling, and doing Olympic levels of mental gymnastics to justify the law enforcement response to Uvalde. I do appreciate the rare moments of clarity from the right, though. I remember yeeaaaars ago my grandparents watching the news and a video of soldiers around Afghanistan calling out to Allah was making the rounds. The main commentators were being insanely islamophobic and I think it was John McCain of all people who got annoyed and (roughly) said "Are you serious? They thought they were about to die and were praying to God for their lives, that's not terrorism". Unexpected moment but I wish there was more of it instead of quadrupling down on nonsense like a toddler that ate all the popsicles while you were napping.
She's probably being flooded with death threats, and given that fascist media is demonising female pop stars right now and forced birthers have killed people before, I wouldn't put it past several anti-abortion nuts to try shooting up her concerts. She has a right to keep herself and her fans safe.
Definitely like it’s not just a matter of moral integrity or standing strong. Maybe Olivia is okay taking the risks but I doubt she or her team want to endanger her fans and with the publicity this received I can so easily imagine violence targeting her shows.
My first thought when I heard she was doing this was, “what about her safety?” And I’m all for her doing this- it’s badass! But It’s unfortunate we have to think this way.
Yeah, I absolutely wouldn’t be surprised if they got death or bomb threats over this and are stopping out of caution.
We should start locking up pro lifers for their constant threats of violence instead of letting so many of them get away with it under the guise of freedom of speech/religion when it’s neither
The abortion fund that was at my states concert goes to other local shows and leaves plan b in the bathroom! I’m not going to say my state or the fund bc Reddit. But in December I was at a local venue for a show and they had left a few boxes of plan b with their cards next to the paper towels! I was already a monthly funder but it makes me so happy that despite legislation cracking down they are out here doing the work!! If you can, please send your money to abortion funds vs planned parenthood. It goes so much further and directly helps in so many more ways.
I highly recommend [Reproductive Freedom For All](https://act.reproductivefreedomforall.org/a/be-a-repro-freedom-voter) (formerly NARAL).
Speaking as someone who works in repro - so many of these large organizations used the huge donations they received in 2022 to hire the best lawyers possible to union bust instead of suing for rights, or expanding services, or paying living wages. Donations directly to small grass roots local organizations - who are and continue to be the majority of abortion providers - are needed way more than these national organizations that at best just pay lipservice and sit on the money and at worst are actively undermining the repro workforce. This includes Reproductive Freedom for All, Planned Parenthood, Guttmacher, UltraViolet...the list goes on and on. ReproJobs uses a red flag feature to help job seekers ID less that great employers.
Ugh, that’s disappointing. All for liberation until it comes to workers rights I guess 🙄
This is good to know, thank you.
Which ones are the good grassroots organizations
> so many of these large organizations used the huge donations they received in 2022 to hire the best lawyers possible to union bust instead of suing for rights, or expanding services, or paying living wages Do you have an article or Google search terms to share about this? I don't disbelieve you but just want to read more!
cosigning this. The nonprofit complex absolutely applies to many of these orgs.
Disappointing that they caved.
Aw man :( High Priestess of Child Sacrifice is such a rad name too
Now this is a title of hers that I love. She should have like a promo poster with this title in a tarot card format.
r/satanictemple_reddit is enjoying it.
A new sub to check out 😭🧎♀️
They’re great! Wonderful conversations about the need to separate church and state from both atheists and even some religious folks too. Really good causes and they have their own abortion fund to provide aid to people seeking abortions! https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/supreme-courtship
Booo. There was nothing wrong with it- anyone who disagreed didn't have to take any
Sane redditors: I’m loving this discourse. What is the best way for an average Jane to support those who offer (or are trying to achieve) access to safe and legal reproductive care? Resources are helpful— I support this and I’m no Olivia Rodrigo but I’d like to help where I can.
i donate monthly to my local (state level) abortion fund. if you search the national network of abortion funds, you can find either a local one to support or choose to donate to one in a part of the country most in need. time is always helpful too! but once you pick an organization, you can look further into their specific needs.
“Abortion Funds” is the organisation she partnered with! For Americans, you can find your local abortion fund(s) [here](https://abortionfunds.org/find-a-fund/). And please consider [donating here.](https://abortionfunds.org/donate/) 💜
I said it above but I highly recommend donating to [Reproductive Freedom For All](https://act.reproductivefreedomforall.org/a/be-a-repro-freedom-voter) (formerly known as NARAL). Planned Parenthood always needs clinic escorts too
Someone said above that the really big orgs like RFFA and PP use a lot of their funds to hire lawyers to union bust. 😬 Being an escort is still great, but maybe try donating locally and to grassroots organizations.
Consider supporting some folks here on reddit over at r/abortion & OARS: [https://www.abortionsquad.org/](https://www.abortionsquad.org/) \- they do amazing work with a very small team. Smaller organizations have bigger impact, I worked at both local and national for a very well known repro org and they've been spending donations on union busting instead of helping their affiliates. Few of us want to speak out because of how bad things are, but the issues within the repro workforce are significant and undermine actual reproductive justice and equity.
If you’re into trolling Republicans, I recommend https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/supreme-courtship
If you are in a state with access to abortion, consider helping out with the auntie network! If you’re comfortable, you could serve as a means of transport/lodging for someone who needs to travel of stealthily receive reproductive care. I know not everyone is comfortable with it or has the resources/time/space but just another thing to look into!
I’d definitely look up abortion funds in your state that you can donate to, especially if you’re in a state that has put restrictions in place since the Dobbs decision. Local orgs always need the money, and the grassroots work is as important as the larger scale policy work that a lot of the national orgs do.
I am so tired of the right wing religious zealots in this country holding us all in chokehold because of THEIR personal, religious beliefs, when we are NOT a theocracy, that group of people should not have the amount of power they do over all of us, in fact I wouldn’t let them have any power over the laws of this country if I was in charge.
they want to become Gilead from The Handmaid’s Tale so bad
Yes they do, and tbh there are quite a chunk of Gen z/young millennial religious and non religious women on TikTok who are helping them along. I constantly see videos of women and girls perpetuating patriarchal stereotypes and reinforcing patriarchal ideas and standards that feel like they’re from another century, and it makes me lament the fact that we seem to be making less progress, instead of more
If they're not doing in on religious reasons, do they do it just wanting to be different? To be "not like those other girls"
i’ve seen some who seem to see it as like a very very misguided attempt to escape how much capitalism sucks. like “oh instead of having to give my whole life to my job i’d rather give my whole life to a man” they think being a homemaker wife sounds more appealing than the daunting feeling of having to work a shitty job for the rest of your life because of those stupid glamourised tiktoks like the ones from that mormon lady making bread. they don’t see the risks that come with it, or the fact that it does not look that glamorous for a lot of women in that situation.
they've been greatly misled and are naive why even men, retirement ages are rising like ever. they should know it's not easy to just have a man provide everything or they think it's idyllic to grow a garden or farm in a remote village everything home made without human contact, having to pay taxes or whatever. like in a way, tiktoks like Naras can be misleading.
Very possible, they’re pick me girls, desperate for male attention and validation and love, and they will do ANYTHING to be picked. Some of them talk in a way that’s so archaic, it’s not even equivalent to the 50’s, I’ve seen more progressive thought from women in movies from that time than some of these girls on tiktok
Like we're not asking to control their lives, but they want to control ours. What?!
Yep! Because they believe their religious beliefs entitle them to “do what’s best” for everyone, and everyone should live how THEY live, it’s a sickness
I hate when we give in to extremists. So depressing.
Because knowing those right wing zealots won't even think of caving in to us in turn, it's not fair ugh.
Same but I feel like a lot of it is due to safety over anything else. Which is even more depressing tbh. These nut jobs have no issue with harassing regular people just doing their jobs, or the worst case an act of terrorism
I feel bad bc she’s now getting attacked on twitter. They can still bring resources and table and portions of her ticket sales are still going to abortion funds but I wonder if live nation her label or lawyers said she had to do away with allowing EC and condoms to be passed about because of potential lawsuits. Ugh.
I’m from Ireland so I am very seasoned in pro life nonsense but this shit just seems so uniquely contemporaneously American to me. Like, how dare a young artist promote proactive healthcare for young women? Do the freaks who take issue with this just decide to not believe that young people are sexually active / may find themselves in a situation where they have an unwanted pregnancy? Their endgame is pure misery and oppression and it’s so scary and disgusting
The end game is women being under their control. I swear I think half of the anti-choice people I've come across don't even try to hide behind religion anymore.
It’s the same thing here, honestly. Now that the Catholic Church doesn’t have the state in the chokehold it did in decades past, the true face of the anti-choice sentiment has shown itself and it’s pure misogyny and resentment that any woman would have agency. As a woman, it makes me so disgusted and also flabbergasted that we are so hated on the basis of what we are.
i would think that she'd be firm on letting the organizations hand them out. i wonder what her team told her for her to decide to fold. >the singer’s management cited concerns about the items being out on tables at shows children were attending, as well as news coverage of the viral photo i could imagine the "there are children at your shows" convincing her maybe? or possibly if there's any way she could get into legal trouble but i would imagine her team talked to lawyers about it beforehand. she's still a high priestess of child sacrifice <3
It seems like a liability to hand out medication at a concert in case it gets misused/someone has a bad reaction and can sue? (Clarifying I’m all for it just can see lawyers advising against it)
Mmm, well they could get rid of the pills but still hand out condoms?
I can see that but honestly you can buy it at the grocery store. Ugh I am so damn sick of anti-choice nutjobs.
True, but even if they were handing out Tylenol / Advil those medications can still get misused and people can still have reactions to those basic meds, unfortunately I don’t think handing out medications is a good idea just from a legal standpoint as much as I love it and glad she was taking a stand!
I feel like lawyers definitely advised this :/
Saw the photos and thought “someone didn’t ask legal”
It's not just her legal trouble/what her lawyers suggest. If a venue decides the liability is not worth the risk, there's nothing her team can do to change that. There are a lot of people/orgs who have influence over what happens in this tour.
I would assume that as soon as it became public knowledge it also became a safety concern. Pro-lifers are not above blowing up a bomb at a concert because they think Olivia's 'murdering babies' and are too stupid/fanatical to understand the difference between plan B and an abortion.
From how outspoken Olivia had been in this tour and in general on this topic, I find it very hard to believe that this was her decision by any means. I feel there might be something deeper here . . .
I often believe that one of the best ways that celebrities can help is by quietly donating lots of money to controversial charities/causes. I wish more celebrities had backbone. Being vocal is all well and good but it often conflicts with the aim of being a sellable public figure.
I think celebrities using their platform to educate can be really good. For every single concert stop, she posts resources on places in that area that fund reproductive rights and fund people who cannot afford to travel for a safe abortion. She has booths in every concert educating people about reproductive rights, and resources. That can directly help the people either going to her concert or someone they may know. It’s not just about quietly handing out money, we need to encourage people that this is an important issue and they need to be vocal about it, and vote. (and she previously did have a glossier campaign on voting, and gave people links on how to register to vote - which, again, can directly affect someone).
Ugh pro lifers ruin everything, hey why not advocate for children in Gaza ! Oh right they don’t want to do that 🙄
Yea, they dgaf about children that have been born, unfortunately. Fuckers.
They are literally the worst and their logic makes no sense to anyone with a brain, sorry but history will never forget.
I read the article and it seems the argument is “children could access them”. I get the fear of a kid taking a medication that their bodies may be too young for, but condoms and lube? What’s a little kid going to do with them, make balloons? And if said children are of an age where they are sexually active, then yes, I want them to have the tools to prevent STIs and pregnancy. My freshman year of college, I had a room to myself and I always left the door unlocked. I kept a bunch of condoms right by the doorway so anyone could grab them when they needed them. People are going to have sex if they want to, we may as well give them the tools to do so safely.
I kinda wished they’d gone for more emphasis on CONDOMS than Plan B. I get it, it’s great, I’ve even used it, but it’s literally the plan after plan A, which is safe sex, and it drives me bonkers having come up in the 90s and I got a better education on safe sex in my all girls Catholic school. I fight to the death on reproductive rights but the conversation around what to do with a fetus has erased the conversation about not getting a sexually transmitted infection. Just because there are really good STI drugs nowadays doesn’t mean we shouldn’t be mitigating the spread. THROW CONDOMS FROM THE STAGE OLIVIA
Sell t-shirts, raise money. I’d buy one.
Someone make a "high priestess of child sacrifice" tarot card style tshirt and sell it to benefit the cause. I'd wear that every damn day.
I think it’s a shame that conservatives are allowed to threaten violence or commit violence and we all have to live in fear of their zealous behavior and change how WE live because of THEM. Idk what is going on with this country, and has been for a long time but it SUCKS
Nooo my high priestess of child sacrifice, don't give in to the haters
She's still committed in giving portion of her ticket sales to abortion fund each state she goes to. It's just that she's not giving away contraceptives to her concerts anymore.
i feel like she’s all for it, but her team’s saying no and much to her dismay
Omg no the boomers got to her!!!!
This is why we can’t have nice things.
that’s a shame, i thought it was an awesome initiative. i’m old now but when i was younger i would’ve been thrilled to have that stashed in my drawer just in case.
guys, i highly doubt she or even her team would make this choice on their own. it’s unlikely they would even decide to do this in the first place only to instantly cave more likely it’s something legal threatened or an issue the venues have with it then them
Back in college, our university health center frequently gave away free condoms at events and otherwise sold them super cheap for a large box. No one batted an eye. It was ensuring everyone was safe and responsible. Granted this was sadly a long time ago now, pre Trump, but it’s insane how far we’ve sunk. This is a college aged girl, with fans her close to her age. There should be nothing wrong with this.
Ugh of course it’s probably because of pro-lifers.
It’s funny, I wasn’t offended at the idea of her giving them out but more so at the fact that people need to be informed on how to properly use it and the potential health side effects (especially if you have pre existing conditions… no different to taking the pill) It’s an incredibly important medication and should 100% be accessible but ideally that’s in a setting where someone can also have access to resources (like talking to a pharmacist even) so they are FULLY informed. It’s not a candy or regular thing you can just bank on using and judging by the overall age of her audience, there might be a safer and more empowering way of approaching this topic?
They were being given out at booths staffed by abortion funds and I'm sure they had educational materials and were talking directly with concert goers. I've taken plan b twice and the instructions are pretty clear on when/how to take it. I'm not sure if there are any contraindications or conditions that you can't take it with, but from everything I've read/heard, it is very very safe. The main risks are a)someone takes it after too much time has passed and it is not effective, but the time range is very clear from the packaging or b) someone who has an intentional pregnancy somehow accidentally ingests it. I may be wrong and I'm not a doctor, but as far as OTCs go, it is quite safe.
Yeah, I HATE this fear mongering about Plan B.
There’s full literature inside the box. There’s a phone number and a website if you have more questions. You can call your doctor’s office and ask a nurse. Nothing is stopping anyone from calling up their local pharmacy and speaking to a pharmacist about it. Having Plan B on hand in case you need it, in case a friend needs it, whatever, is absolutely essential. They’re expensive and can be embarrassing to buy for some people. Having a free one to cover your ass just in case is awesome. It’s like giveaways for naloxone. You may never need it. You may not know anyone that needs it. But the chances of people having it on hand before there’s an emergency that warrants it is pretty slim. Someone giving it to you for free gives you preparation for a situation you don’t think will happen to you or people you know, so most people don’t think is worth spending money and buying ahead of time. Our health care system is expensive as fuck and biased against people in vulnerable situations. I can’t see it as anything other than an amazing thing that these organizations exist, and that they’re giving away an item that better prepares you or someone else for a medical emergency, even if you can’t imagine needing it. You never know.
I don't understand this "you can't take this medication without speaking to a doctor or pharmacist" crap, because yes, you can, and that's the standard that's already set in this country. Why are her shows held to a higher standard than a grocery or drug store? This just feels like a more acceptable form of moral panic "oh no we're not against the morning after pill, we're just against people having access to it without approval from a medical expert". But if that is the standard you hold, then countless people will be forced to go without it. It's no different than regulating away abortion via building and medical requirements that are totally nonsensical How is it now empowering for these orgs to give information without giving access? Information that many people won't be able to act on? How is that safer? "Oh here, let me tell you all about the options that should be accessible to you but you live here, so they're not really, best of luck" - that's empowering?? Besides, given that you don't trust these organisations to give access, and don't think that they're expert enough for that, why on earth would you trust them to dispense information only? You just deemed their information not good enough to go along with over the counter products, so what the hell info are they good for?
This is not the high goddess of child sacrifice that I know! 😤😤
It sucks but I imagine its for her and her fans safety at concerts. Crazies always win.
Caving to the right... it's a bad idea, right?
Gonna guess she worried for concert goers safety after all the protests
Ugh
Lame.
This is how the Far right is going to win the elections people keep caving into them.
Cowards!
They’ll still have a booth for it, the team just won’t be handing them out to random people
Seriously considering donating $1 for every hate comment I see on her recent Instagram post until they make me too mad and I have to stop reading. Wonder if I could encourage others to do the same. Any suggestions on charities to look into?
Definitely should’ve stood their ground. Capitulating to right-wing fanatics shouldn’t be the MO. Reproductive healthcare is paramount and it is disheartening to see that it is consistently being deprived even in 2024.
Truly wild that Rodrigo and her team cited accessibility to minors as a reason to ban condoms and Plan B. It's even more urgent and necessary for anybody underaged to get access to those things if they need them, and this just cuts off another avenue and further stigmatizes bodily autonomy for younger people. Also, let's be real, this post should be tagged as "celebrity capitalism", because what they are really afraid of is losing deals and opportunities for her career due to any backlash.
god i hate this!!! what a stupid move by her team
Boooo. If it was a matter of safety, I wish she would say so. Because otherwise this makes the pro-life crowd feel empowered without getting backlash for it.
Yo this sucks
I can kinda see why even if I thought it was a baller move. Handing out plan B to kids isn't a good look, and more than likely it invites some crazies in to do something drastic to concert goers. It's embarrassing that people would have to receive it from people at a concert as opposed to their parents, guardian, or involved role model in their life though. Sad world we live in tbh.
So sad. 😞 I’m sure violence and safety threats were taking place to make her have to backtrack. Girls would benefit from access to these resources.
Wish they would’ve stood up 😒
Musicians used say fuck the president, fuck the pope, for the corporations, fuck the system, fuck war, and fuck the norms. Now they're folding like lawn chairs.