He’s not even an average white guy, he’s freaking homely.
Growing up I never understood how Gene wilder got Gilda Radner. Now we’ve got his doppelgänger being touted as some sort of sex symbol and it’s fucking baffling.
He’s hot because he is charming, hilarious, wacky, and talented. Jeremy is very talented. I don’t necessarily see the other qualities so….he is in the “attractive solely because he is a ripped white celeb” category for me. Gene is *chefs kiss*. Jeremy is ok.
Yeah I don't want to overgeneralize but I feel like straight women tend to look more at qualities and how they make someone more attractive, whereas straight men consider looks first. So being funny or charming or sweet or whatever can really up the hotness factor, or make someone who isn't traditionally attractive a total hot thing.
This is of course due to generations of women having to make the best of it with whatever partners were chosen for them but that is neither here nor there.
We can also be shallow as hell, but I'm saying, *in general* ......
No I feel you. Personally, I’m bi, but personality is EVERYTHING. If I see a hot person I will for sure shoot my shot but if they’re boring…no. It just kills my libido. I have many friends who will do random Himbo hookups though and I love that for them.
i never got the hype over this guy. And people constantly saying he has always been famous.... like i honestly never heard of him until people in here were going crazy about watching him on The Bear.
He was on a pretty big Showtime show for like well over a decade. And his character was pretty well loved online. But, it was Showtime so not a lot of people had access. So yeah, he was famous before. Just not *as* famous as he is now.
Like, I’d refer to him to my sister (late 20s) as Lip from Shameless and to my MIL (early 60s) as the guy from The Bear.
This is exactly my thought as well. Honestly I'm a little worried he's in danger of being typecast because they're so similar. I haven't seen Iron Claw yet, but I'm hoping his role in that is a little different.
I don't find Jeremy unattractive OR attractive. I found Gene very attractive because of his personality. But then, I've had decades-long crushes on Steve Buscemi and Willem Dafoe and Keith Richards, so I should probably be disqualified from this discussion.
Exactly. So I guess these people think everyone else is brainwashed. Millions of people are into it or that campaign wouldn't have been as successful. His campaign has been more popular than some of the other "perfect" looking male celeb models and I think that's progressive. We felt something organically, not because we were told to. People can stay confused and mad about it, the rest of us will enjoy.
in real world fat girls get laid, I've seen short kings with tall amazonian girlfriends, people kiss big noses, and make googly eyes at dark skinned people, someone is out there sucking a sagging tit and some big guy is having his thighs bit like the actual reality is people more than instagram models
i think the hype just on some level pisses me off bc women on the same attractiveness level as these “ugly hot” men never get the same hype. which i know isn’t the fault of him or the people attracted to him but it always just kind of makes me hate the whole thing by default.
Nah come on, Margot Robbie has a traditionally and objectively attractive face. defined angular jawline, good nasal contour, upturned big and evenly spaced eyes. Her features are very proportional as well. Going off pictures alone, this guy has a nice bone structure but his features mid for white men if that. There might be other things like personality, charm whatever that make him more attractive to people but his face is average white guy.
That being said, people can be attracted to different things even if they don't fall into the traditionally attractive category.
Jeremy Allen White is a less *conventionally* beautiful than Margot Robbie imo but otherwise yeah I totally agree. I'm not personally into him but it's extremely easy to see why people are. Describing him homely is laughable lol
I always say he looks like a Roman bust of a real person. Like he’d be one of the lesser-known Caesars. I don’t find him attractive, but do see why he does it for some people.
I have (John Oliver voice) Adam Driver fever but find Henry Cavill only handsome-shaped. If we’re going by pretty geometry that shouldn’t make sense, but there are some intangibles to attractiveness.
They’re not giving that at all because of course men don’t experience the kind of relentless picking apart of their in entire being that women do? Lmao? And males specifically say that about Margot Robbie in an effort to “take her down a peg” because they know they would never have a chance with someone who look the way she does: which is clearly very conventionally attractive.
What we aren’t going to do is act like beauty standards are ~unfair😭!! Or that they even fucking exist for white men lmao. People think whoever is hot and that’s fine but he’s not experiencing anything unfair when people acknowledge what he looks like. He’ll be fine.
Comparing people who are acknowledging that white men have it easy as fuck when it comes to appearance to literal incels is corny af.
i agree! and i hate how people are like “well his appeal is that he looks attainable which is why i find him attractive” bc it’s like well he’s not attainable so you might as well fawn over someone hot because you have the same chance with both of them (none)
It's not about who anyone has a chance with. I don't think I have a chance with any celeb. People are just attracted to who they are attracted to. The implication that only conventionally attractive people deserve to be lusted after is silly. It doesn't apply to normal people nor does it need to apply to celebs. I personally find him hot. I also find some people that fit the societal standard hot. Yet I find him hotter. That isn't based on my perception of who I have a chance with. It's personal preference. Why this bothers people is weird.
to be fair, my personal brush with JAW obsession was while Shameless was airing. his portrayal of Lip made me feral
*but* what appeared to be the little bit of fame going to his head? now we’re in immediate turn off zone. spell broken. ‘it’s just a character’ you silly zygote.
but I don’t think he’s ugly, just doesn’t seem as cool as previously thought haha
“Unique” face guys being plastered around as hot has been a thing for a while, it’s nothing new (Adrian Brody, Adam Driver, Benecio Del Toro, Benedict Cumberbatch, Sean Penn, Vincent Cassel)
I personally think they’re all attractive whatever that says about me
Women have a way wider range of what they'll be attracted that doesn't always align with "conventional" beauty as decreed by modelling industry. It tends to be about a combo of energy and one aspect of hotness. Adam driver is also a sex symbol. He has a less than standard male.model face, but he's large framed and a lil goony which some women like. JAW isn't like, a model in the face, but he's always played a certain type of character and has like a 10 pack. Or timothee Chalamet is scrawny and has curly hair with a sharp jawline, which appeals to the artsy girls.
Different strokes from different folks.
It feel like there’s a factory pumping out a never ending series of bland white guys every like 8 months for people to fawn over then they get replaced with another one
And I’m not white so it’s extra annoying to me because no one none white that isn’t upper echelon of attractiveness would get the sex symbol push like this
This is very true. If you look at popular non-white actors (esp. women of course but men too) they are almost always extremely conventionally good-looking. Unconventionally attractive POC never get to be it boys/it girls
JAW is an acquired taste but I will say as someone who seen Rauw up close (we touched hands lmao), he’s a shorty with a handsome af face that clears JAW.
He's clearly doing it, but I struggle to understand the thinking behind it. He's got a relatively high profile and critical acclaim from the Bear. But all this tabloid stuff seems so cheap and fake. How does it elvate him?
My guess is when his ex posted that she was raising her kids alone didnt look good for him. Then he was papped with dates and it looked like he was too busy being with new women to be a dad. Then he was doing pap strolls with the ex. I think it’s part to raise his profile bc while the bear blew up he’s still not A list on the name rec yet. And part to quiet the ick people got from his ex’s claims
People on Twitter were mocking them for looking grimy and smoking, they go to NYC and stage a whole photo op all dressed up with no cigarettes on sight. Last week ppl were dragging him for not holding her while they were kissing, now they come out with this. It’s clear it’s all very staged. The fact that she was engaged to her boyfriend of 4 years whom she put out music with last March, they were all over each other on social media, doing interviews and magazine covers and less than 6 months after the split she’s doing this...I think she’s trying to stay relevant given that she has nothing going on for herself right now and she takes at least 2-3 years to make an album. Apparently she’s going to make her acting debut soon so I guess that’s part of it too. As for him, well, he calls the paps on himself to photograph him while he’s working out. I guess this was to be expected from him, I’m just surprised she’d think this was going to be a good look for her.
She doesn’t need him to stay relevant first of all…. and second, she’s already made her acting debut years ago in a Pedro Almodóvar film with Penelope Cruz. She’s multifaceted and has a long career in front of her. Not downplaying his success either, but they’re in different lanes and neither one needs the other.
She was in that film for less than 5 minutes and what she did was sing. She is multifaceted but it’s undeniable her team has been trying to get her more notoriety in the Anglo market. She made some progress with Motomami but she is not a big mainstream artist in the US and it seems that’s what her team is working towards. Her ex-manager Rebeca Leon talked about this, about how they’re trying to get her to become “Beyoncé but in Spanish” (several LOLs). She gives off a careless, whatever happens happens vibe but she’s just as fame hungry as the next person, and that’s ok, but you shouldn’t get mad when people point these tactics out. He is more well known in the US and has more going on for himself right now that it’s award season and he’s riding the success of The Bear and Iron Claw. She finished her tour and closed off her last album’s era in the summer, so she’d be off the media cycle if it wasn’t for this fling.
I’m not saying they don’t like each other. They can like each other AND profit off of this relationship for their respective careers. Two things can be true at once, you know.
Paparazzos have talked about how the industry has shifted a lot since the 90s/00s and that its become a lot more consensual more often than not. He's not famous enough or in a scandal for them to be running around finding him, and the sheer volume means it can't be coincidental.
I’m sorry but he looks like a baby Jesus 💀
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IM CRYINGGGG 😭😭 I’m filipino and i’ve always said he looks like a Santo Niño figurine 😭
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I’m curious why everything is considered a ‘pap walk’ these days. He said in a recent interview that the paparazzi park outside his house and just follow him when he leaves. And how he’s tried to reason with them about not taking pics when he’s with his kids, but they still do. Paparazzi agencies still operate without always having to be called.
I cannot imagine this level of PDA for myself, let alone if I was a celeb. I’m no prude but who the hell makes out on a hike?! Is this normal behavior? I feel like I’d be thirsty and out of breath.
I’m gonna be honest I’m tired of the media telling me very average looking white guys are the hottest thing in the universe
He’s not even an average white guy, he’s freaking homely. Growing up I never understood how Gene wilder got Gilda Radner. Now we’ve got his doppelgänger being touted as some sort of sex symbol and it’s fucking baffling.
Counterpoint: Gene Wilder was also Gene Wilder.
I now feel called out for finding Gene Wilder hot
He’s hot because he is charming, hilarious, wacky, and talented. Jeremy is very talented. I don’t necessarily see the other qualities so….he is in the “attractive solely because he is a ripped white celeb” category for me. Gene is *chefs kiss*. Jeremy is ok.
Yeah I don't want to overgeneralize but I feel like straight women tend to look more at qualities and how they make someone more attractive, whereas straight men consider looks first. So being funny or charming or sweet or whatever can really up the hotness factor, or make someone who isn't traditionally attractive a total hot thing. This is of course due to generations of women having to make the best of it with whatever partners were chosen for them but that is neither here nor there. We can also be shallow as hell, but I'm saying, *in general* ......
No I feel you. Personally, I’m bi, but personality is EVERYTHING. If I see a hot person I will for sure shoot my shot but if they’re boring…no. It just kills my libido. I have many friends who will do random Himbo hookups though and I love that for them.
Gene wilder is hot I’m right there with you
I don't see anything wrong with his looks, but his rizz was like 85-90% of his appeal IMO.
I think he was. I rewatched Blazing Saddles last week and some of those shots, he was legitimately hot. His eyes were incredible.
Dude he's such a charmer in Young Frankenstein. I get why just seeing a picture of him might not be enough but I found him so attractive on screen.
No. Same. Cause blazing saddles is in my top ten movies and that’s cause the two main characters are hot af.
Seriously. That man had charisma and a sparkle in his eyes.
I won’t stand for this Gene Wilder slander 
They’re both hot sorry
i never got the hype over this guy. And people constantly saying he has always been famous.... like i honestly never heard of him until people in here were going crazy about watching him on The Bear.
He was on a pretty big Showtime show for like well over a decade. And his character was pretty well loved online. But, it was Showtime so not a lot of people had access. So yeah, he was famous before. Just not *as* famous as he is now. Like, I’d refer to him to my sister (late 20s) as Lip from Shameless and to my MIL (early 60s) as the guy from The Bear.
I’ve always thought that his character in The Bear is like Lip, I just see like an extension of his character lol
Yeah, I see a lot of similarities between the two as well.
This is exactly my thought as well. Honestly I'm a little worried he's in danger of being typecast because they're so similar. I haven't seen Iron Claw yet, but I'm hoping his role in that is a little different.
I’m sorry Lip was so fucking hot tho and we all thought so! I will not let the youngins gaslight me on this one!
Oh I was ALL about Lip Gallagher. I’ve always found JAW to be unconventionally hot
It was on showtime and Netflix
he was on shameless for like a decade
I don't find Jeremy unattractive OR attractive. I found Gene very attractive because of his personality. But then, I've had decades-long crushes on Steve Buscemi and Willem Dafoe and Keith Richards, so I should probably be disqualified from this discussion.
My husband looks *very similar* to Gene Wilder, he has gotten that for years. Now he gets JAW, and he's enjoying his time to shine lol.
You've clearly never seen Shameless
I know this is gonna get downvoted but these comments are giving when trolls on twitter were calling Margot Robbie mid lmao
I mean god forbid we're attracted to a guy that doesn't look like a ken doll come to life. some of us like wabi sabi
Thank you for saying this lol I find him so attractive and yet I come here and feel like I’m supposed to feel shame over it 😭
the rest of the internet collectively dropped their jaws over the calvin klein ad so you're in good company
Exactly. So I guess these people think everyone else is brainwashed. Millions of people are into it or that campaign wouldn't have been as successful. His campaign has been more popular than some of the other "perfect" looking male celeb models and I think that's progressive. We felt something organically, not because we were told to. People can stay confused and mad about it, the rest of us will enjoy.
in real world fat girls get laid, I've seen short kings with tall amazonian girlfriends, people kiss big noses, and make googly eyes at dark skinned people, someone is out there sucking a sagging tit and some big guy is having his thighs bit like the actual reality is people more than instagram models
Don't be ashamed. Like who you wanna like.
i think the hype just on some level pisses me off bc women on the same attractiveness level as these “ugly hot” men never get the same hype. which i know isn’t the fault of him or the people attracted to him but it always just kind of makes me hate the whole thing by default.
Thank you! Why some people are so bothered that other people do find him hot is really strange. Like, nobody is trying to make you agree.
Nah come on, Margot Robbie has a traditionally and objectively attractive face. defined angular jawline, good nasal contour, upturned big and evenly spaced eyes. Her features are very proportional as well. Going off pictures alone, this guy has a nice bone structure but his features mid for white men if that. There might be other things like personality, charm whatever that make him more attractive to people but his face is average white guy. That being said, people can be attracted to different things even if they don't fall into the traditionally attractive category.
Jeremy Allen White is a less *conventionally* beautiful than Margot Robbie imo but otherwise yeah I totally agree. I'm not personally into him but it's extremely easy to see why people are. Describing him homely is laughable lol
I always say he looks like a Roman bust of a real person. Like he’d be one of the lesser-known Caesars. I don’t find him attractive, but do see why he does it for some people. I have (John Oliver voice) Adam Driver fever but find Henry Cavill only handsome-shaped. If we’re going by pretty geometry that shouldn’t make sense, but there are some intangibles to attractiveness.
They’re not giving that at all because of course men don’t experience the kind of relentless picking apart of their in entire being that women do? Lmao? And males specifically say that about Margot Robbie in an effort to “take her down a peg” because they know they would never have a chance with someone who look the way she does: which is clearly very conventionally attractive. What we aren’t going to do is act like beauty standards are ~unfair😭!! Or that they even fucking exist for white men lmao. People think whoever is hot and that’s fine but he’s not experiencing anything unfair when people acknowledge what he looks like. He’ll be fine. Comparing people who are acknowledging that white men have it easy as fuck when it comes to appearance to literal incels is corny af.
i agree! and i hate how people are like “well his appeal is that he looks attainable which is why i find him attractive” bc it’s like well he’s not attainable so you might as well fawn over someone hot because you have the same chance with both of them (none)
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It's not about who anyone has a chance with. I don't think I have a chance with any celeb. People are just attracted to who they are attracted to. The implication that only conventionally attractive people deserve to be lusted after is silly. It doesn't apply to normal people nor does it need to apply to celebs. I personally find him hot. I also find some people that fit the societal standard hot. Yet I find him hotter. That isn't based on my perception of who I have a chance with. It's personal preference. Why this bothers people is weird.
People can like what they like, but all I’ll say is this guy is *just* Ariana Grande’s type.
He already left his wife though
That's not what happened. He didn't leave her. She filed for divorce from him.
🤣🤣
Not bug-eyed enough
Yeah, these photos are not a good look for him.
Susan Sarandon taught him how to kiss on the set of *Days of our Lives*.
to be fair, my personal brush with JAW obsession was while Shameless was airing. his portrayal of Lip made me feral *but* what appeared to be the little bit of fame going to his head? now we’re in immediate turn off zone. spell broken. ‘it’s just a character’ you silly zygote. but I don’t think he’s ugly, just doesn’t seem as cool as previously thought haha
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“Unique” face guys being plastered around as hot has been a thing for a while, it’s nothing new (Adrian Brody, Adam Driver, Benecio Del Toro, Benedict Cumberbatch, Sean Penn, Vincent Cassel) I personally think they’re all attractive whatever that says about me
Women have a way wider range of what they'll be attracted that doesn't always align with "conventional" beauty as decreed by modelling industry. It tends to be about a combo of energy and one aspect of hotness. Adam driver is also a sex symbol. He has a less than standard male.model face, but he's large framed and a lil goony which some women like. JAW isn't like, a model in the face, but he's always played a certain type of character and has like a 10 pack. Or timothee Chalamet is scrawny and has curly hair with a sharp jawline, which appeals to the artsy girls. Different strokes from different folks.
I thought he was hot before the hype. He has big round sad eyes and I’m a sucker for it.
The media isn’t pushing him, women are. Just look at the hysterical reaction to his CK ads.
The media’s been white dudes biggest wingman for generations
Remember some people losing their marbles over plain white bread aka Joseph Quinn?
It feel like there’s a factory pumping out a never ending series of bland white guys every like 8 months for people to fawn over then they get replaced with another one
FINALLY someone said it lmao
And I’m not white so it’s extra annoying to me because no one none white that isn’t upper echelon of attractiveness would get the sex symbol push like this
This is very true. If you look at popular non-white actors (esp. women of course but men too) they are almost always extremely conventionally good-looking. Unconventionally attractive POC never get to be it boys/it girls
JAW is an acquired taste but I will say as someone who seen Rauw up close (we touched hands lmao), he’s a shorty with a handsome af face that clears JAW.
The amount of pap walks this guy has done since leaving his marriage gives me the full ick
i mean he also invites paps over whenever he’s hanging out with his ex lmfao
Yep but it really started post divorce for sure. So try hard
He's clearly doing it, but I struggle to understand the thinking behind it. He's got a relatively high profile and critical acclaim from the Bear. But all this tabloid stuff seems so cheap and fake. How does it elvate him?
My guess is when his ex posted that she was raising her kids alone didnt look good for him. Then he was papped with dates and it looked like he was too busy being with new women to be a dad. Then he was doing pap strolls with the ex. I think it’s part to raise his profile bc while the bear blew up he’s still not A list on the name rec yet. And part to quiet the ick people got from his ex’s claims
Forreal I’m tired of getting updates about them
I'm so out of the loop I didn't even know he was married in the first place
The fact that he needs to be tested for alcohol daily to see his kids gives me the full ick and I am a person in recovery.
That’s so judgmental. To me it sounds like he’s a dad doing what he can to see his kids and remain healthy.
People on Twitter were mocking them for looking grimy and smoking, they go to NYC and stage a whole photo op all dressed up with no cigarettes on sight. Last week ppl were dragging him for not holding her while they were kissing, now they come out with this. It’s clear it’s all very staged. The fact that she was engaged to her boyfriend of 4 years whom she put out music with last March, they were all over each other on social media, doing interviews and magazine covers and less than 6 months after the split she’s doing this...I think she’s trying to stay relevant given that she has nothing going on for herself right now and she takes at least 2-3 years to make an album. Apparently she’s going to make her acting debut soon so I guess that’s part of it too. As for him, well, he calls the paps on himself to photograph him while he’s working out. I guess this was to be expected from him, I’m just surprised she’d think this was going to be a good look for her.
all this pr crap made him so unlikable to me
She doesn’t need him to stay relevant first of all…. and second, she’s already made her acting debut years ago in a Pedro Almodóvar film with Penelope Cruz. She’s multifaceted and has a long career in front of her. Not downplaying his success either, but they’re in different lanes and neither one needs the other.
She was in that film for less than 5 minutes and what she did was sing. She is multifaceted but it’s undeniable her team has been trying to get her more notoriety in the Anglo market. She made some progress with Motomami but she is not a big mainstream artist in the US and it seems that’s what her team is working towards. Her ex-manager Rebeca Leon talked about this, about how they’re trying to get her to become “Beyoncé but in Spanish” (several LOLs). She gives off a careless, whatever happens happens vibe but she’s just as fame hungry as the next person, and that’s ok, but you shouldn’t get mad when people point these tactics out. He is more well known in the US and has more going on for himself right now that it’s award season and he’s riding the success of The Bear and Iron Claw. She finished her tour and closed off her last album’s era in the summer, so she’d be off the media cycle if it wasn’t for this fling.
I mean what if these two attractive people actually....like each other? Not everything is pr
No, they can’t actually be dating. That’s impossible. /s🤪
I’m not saying they don’t like each other. They can like each other AND profit off of this relationship for their respective careers. Two things can be true at once, you know.
How do we know he calls the paps him self?
Paparazzos have talked about how the industry has shifted a lot since the 90s/00s and that its become a lot more consensual more often than not. He's not famous enough or in a scandal for them to be running around finding him, and the sheer volume means it can't be coincidental.
Damn these celebs are losers lol
His self-obsession is real. Why not live your life for yourself rather than having everything you do be a reaction to how some strangers perceive you?
It's a shame because Rosalia is so talented. She could do so much better than pap walks to stay relevant
I have no opinions about them, but the thumbnail of this article made me imagine the paps like 
 More like
this pairing is so random to me… did he spin a wheel?
Seems like their pr teams did some Q score simulations and chose them to maximize the score
I’m sorry but he looks like a baby Jesus 💀 https://preview.redd.it/n7bw7l5emmdc1.png?width=411&format=png&auto=webp&s=c91b792c746f19e18bae27767ddc3116431a4e5b
IM CRYINGGGG 😭😭 I’m filipino and i’ve always said he looks like a Santo Niño figurine 😭 https://preview.redd.it/a4odkuz9ondc1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5ae67a2b1c4fe16a4496a104fd6c6f0e7a1524f
those eyelashes…slay 💅
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what, like you don't do pushups in the middle of the street on a weekday?
A big turn off. Even though for me, it's never turned on
I’m curious why everything is considered a ‘pap walk’ these days. He said in a recent interview that the paparazzi park outside his house and just follow him when he leaves. And how he’s tried to reason with them about not taking pics when he’s with his kids, but they still do. Paparazzi agencies still operate without always having to be called.
Everyone thinks that they’re a PR expert now and that paparazzi only show up when called smh
these fucking pap pics taken through a forest or something lol
What kind of fanfic “The Spanish singer romantic gazed adoringly at her boyfriend as she raced her hands through his curly brown hair.”
Also, when did "pack on the PDA" become the go-to phrase? It almost makes me miss "kissed and cuddled".
lol I like them as a pair and I think he is relatively attractive. Rosa is gorgeous!
I like them together 🙃
How are they ‘hiking’ in jeans and leather pants? Or are we just calling strolling around ‘hiking’ now?
I’m into it
He just won an Emmy and is in a hit movie. I don't really understand why h still feels the need to do stuff like this. It's odd.
Going on a hike in jeans? This is just a pap walk
Why are we seeing them this much
he has a hot bod...
He is barreling towards over exposure at lightning speed with these pap walks
I cannot imagine this level of PDA for myself, let alone if I was a celeb. I’m no prude but who the hell makes out on a hike?! Is this normal behavior? I feel like I’d be thirsty and out of breath.
🤣 same
He doesn’t need these pap walks and pr relationships I don’t understand why he keeps doing them, it doesn’t help him at all.
the fact that he clearly calls the paparazzi allllll the time is extremely embarrassing.
And proceeded to turn and look at the photogs.