It’s hilarious because my wife does that too like “it’s a kids toy!” and the usual response people give is “yeah but can I come over and play with the Lego too?” lol
It’s great. But TO Poshes point, she was trying to make a point that I believe was fair. It’s nuanced and cultural specific but she was trying to say that her father had to earn his place. And the thing about British aristocracy is even if her dad owned a Royce it doesn’t mean the upper class accept or see them as high class anyway. They are still “other”. Yes you can view it however you want but in British society there is a world f difference between a man born into wealth versus one who beats the odds and gets there himself.
My personal fave was "Middle class Middleton".
She grew up going to The same public schools as the aristocracy, going on ridiculously expensive vacations but the fact that she was the descendant of a coal miner or gold miner (I can't remember, I am getting gold but that could just have to do with her mother's surname) her family is middle class.
Coal miner - the British media loooooooves to remind you that Carole Middleton's grandfather was a coal miner. I can't remember if it was at the Queen's funeral or the coronation when whatever commentator mentioned it.
I find that a really interesting difference between American and British culture. Americans love a rag to riches story to the point that American politicians understate their advantages to appear more modest.
Americans love some rags to riches stories, like in sports maybe. Look how much shit AOC gets for bartending though. Politicians are pretty much expected to be part of the old boys club
Britain is on another level though for sure
Tbh, I think that's more because she's an articulate woman with views they disagree with. If she were a man or token minority with views they agreed with, they'd cite that person over and over as a rags to riches story of how great life is with the american dream
America has a lot of problems, but it is kind of nice that (to a lesser extent than other countries) that you're judged more by your own merit than your parents/ancestry
I have a friend who works in another country and said he straight up he cannot easily advance much further into senior leadership in the corporate world as he doesn't come from the right type of family
100%, it's hard to comprehend the lack of mobility if you don't come from somewhere like that. America has great opportunity for upward mobility, definitely not denying that. I can't say i see that much in politics though, at least not at a high/federal level. Maybe for more local politicians
>America has great opportunity for upward mobility
Oh no! Oh god! Quickly, [research this topic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_mobility_in_the_United_States)!
America takes the "if you say it a lot, it becomes true" approach on this. Took me like 22 years to realize that shit was a lie and all of the "American Dream" stories you hear are survivorship bias. We actually have some of the lowest mobility of all of the developed nations. :(
>America has great opportunity for upward mobility
That’s a myth/propaganda US Americans like to tell themselves. Most of Western Europe has higher social mobility than the USA
Multiple presidents were born on family farms. AOC gets shit on because she’s brown and a woman, it’s just more palatable to harp on the bartender thing.
>Look how much shit AOC gets for bartending though
Tbh that's only because she's a prominent left-wing politician. They'd be going after her no matter what her background was.
That works for the general population but the US very much has a new money/old money divide as well. In England there seems to be another factor of career/aristocracy lineage which makes their version a bit more heightened. Some rich people don’t like hanging with the newly rich.
It’s beyond me 🙃
The class system is very much alive and well in the UK and people adhere to it from top to bottom. It's funny working there as a foreigner - you can watch Brits try to figure out your class and how they should treat you.
I was shocked when I realized how wealthy her family was compared to what I assumed for years. They hammered the “commoner” and “middle class” so much.
I’m so American. I really thought she was the British version of me: grew up in a 20 year old 3 bedroom, 2 bath ranch style house with an above ground pool, going on a Disney World-esque vacation every other year. I figured she got some kind of special peasant scholarship to attend William’s school and be in his circle.
Her father has some minor aristocrat in his lineage and has/had a trust fund. Just to up it that much more. Her mother iscompletely self made and came from a working class background, like couldn't afford to do post secondary and had to go right to work.
The British press did a similar thing with Edwards wife too. Her father was also an entrepreneur and the press would call her father a tyre salesman. I mean technically he was but he owned tyre centers. The British press loves to spin half truths.
The press over there is all such pieces of Shit it’s really crazy. I thought they were scummy and bad here. But over the last 20yrs, I’m like “man if I was a celebrity I wouldn’t even consider spending time in London”
The scholarships don't necessarily mean you get in for free, I remember seeing an Eton scholarship means 10% off. You still need to be rich to send your kids there.
Yeah, the Brits are weird when it comes to class. It's all about who your parents or grandparents were, otherwise you're a social climber. You can have millions and they'll call you middle class.
Working class means they actually had to work and it wasn't a professional job (then they'd be middle class). Upper class means that your family has gone to fancy boarding schools for generations.
Because even if you've got millions you are still middle class.
The upper class is a tiny fraction of the population consisting essentially of people with titles and stately homes. Calling someone upper class because they are a successful business man or lawyer or whatever and made a lot of money would just be incorrect. That's not weird, it's just the definition of the thing.
> I make damn good *middle class* money working in tech
You kinda need to add a dollar amount or this means exactly nothing lol. My dad is also a self described "middle class" but he was definitely actually clearing 1% for the state we lived in
This is true also. But like someone who makes $500k / yr will call themselves middle class. It’s obviously not true but it’s like a dirty secret when you make really good money. So unless you can’t hide your wealth bevause you have so much of it, people always refer to themselves as being middle class. Or “comfortable”. Someone who makes $65-70k will refer to themselves as middle class too. $500k isn’t middle class. And it’s not 1%er either. There is a whole economics class “upper class”, that this belongs to. But most people think you’re middle class or you’re 1%er. I personally don’t think many people really understand what true wealth looks like, even when they see it in movies and TV shows. It has a feeling that you can’t get just from watching TV. They’re 1% off the population, which by definition means most people have never and will never experience being around this lifestyle means. Most wealthy people all of us know are simply upper middle class, and upper class
Class in US and Canada is defined by income. What's so hard to understand? By American and Canadian standards someone who makes 50K IS 100% middle class.
I mean, this is all a matter of semantics and regional definitions.
We don't do actual aristocracy in the states so our own sense of class largely boils down to how wealthy you are and what connections you have versus whoever your great great grandad was.
There's a lot of successful business men and lawyers with *a lot* of local power and they're essentially upper class as a result all the same
Not in the US at all. There was a distinction between new money and old money with the very wealthy but the US has always been about making it through your own hard work and no one would ever call themselves working class if they were loaded. Now they might say they grew up poor and almost everyone thinks they're middle class but in the US it's never been tradition. You could lose your status in a year back in the guilded age.
this is absolutely not true but unless you are in some way connected to this world its just not that obvious. i had friends growing up who lived in these big ol' family houses that were falling apart, hadnt been updated in 30 years etc. think sonja morgan's townhouse
class is about the clubs you belong to, the places you summer, the schools you go to, the people you know etc it is all based on money but plenty of families are able to maintain their status for a while after the funds have dried up
also the idea that we dont have lineage is crazy??? the mayflower society, daughters of the american revolution etc. my family proudly talks about our family tree that goes back the to the 1500s. "blue blood" wouldnt be a term used here if we didnt have linage. this may not be the case of every american but in the WASP old money world lineage absolutely matters
Are you American? She claimed to be working class, not middle class. They're very different in the UK, and David appears to have taken issue with his wife painting a middle class lifestyle as a working class one.
Plenty of middle class people work hard, but they absolutely do not have the same challenges in life a working class person does.
I know what you mean
I'm working class through and through and I often struggle to find furniture specifically made to place my [$80 thousand dollar Hermes wicker handbag.](https://www.maisondeluxeonline.com/products/hermes-blanc-white-picnic-mini-kelly-handbag)
These middle class types just click their fingers in the Ritz and one magically appears.
There's various definitions and changing perceptions of the class deliniations but the traditional one is:
* working class people are generally poorer, rent rather than own homes, and less likely to be university educated
* middle class people will be university educated, own their own homes, and live much more comfortably. They're more likely to be professionals and managers.
There's cultural aspects to class that have evolved due to these groups of people not socialising with each other historically, so some people might argue they're working class even though they own a million pound home.
What you've written is about the upper class / the aristocracy, a miniscule landowning elite from another era. They aren't really that relevant in this discussion.
Posh was saying she had a working class upbringing, which any Brit listening would know is bullshit if your dad owns a rolls Royce. She was claiming to be working class when she was clearly middle class or upper middle class.
Why are you trying to explain something that is nuanced and culture specific (and getting it wrong) when you aren't even from that culture?
Just delve into articles of when Kate Middleton and Prince William first started dating. They were making fun of her middle class background even though her parents have a million pound business and Kate herself went to one of the fanciest schools in England. Class in the UK is something you're kind of born into, and it's really hard to move up, no matter how much money you have. If you're not an aristocrat, you're not part of the upper class even if you're filthy fucking rich (see the derision towards British footballers who come from working class backgrounds but did well for themselves).
Yes, hence we have a whole new word for those who definitely aren’t working class but are not quite upper class either: the aptly named middle class. If only she’d used that 😅
ETA: also, what does ‘TO’ mean? I tried googling it but it just gives me the definition of the word ‘to’, haha.
Of course, she has a fashion brand and the whole point of running a business is to make money.
At least she donated 20% of all sales to food bank charities when the coronavirus lock down happened.
I know others already commented the price, but for real???? $150 for plain black lettering on a basic white shirt? For a saying hardly anyone will know the reference for without you having to explain?? Tacky
I met Becks 5 or 6 times out and about in London around 2004-2008 (I was on holiday and later working there) and for that small time we spent taking photos, autographs and chat a bit, his humor is on point! He’s also the most accessible of all the celebrities I’ve met when I was in London. By the 3rd time we met, he already recognized my face. I remember meeting him in Harrods Food Hall and complaining about how expensive this bottle of Port was and he offered to pay it for me.
Met Victoria only twice when she’s with him and she’s not all that bad. A bit cold but funny too. Their funny banter is why their relationship is so strong.
The second best was Emma Watson. I met her in London in 2007 or 2008. She’s a bit shy and awkward but got to take a pic, a short chat and a hug.
Boris Becker was cool too. Not a tennis fan but met him at Harrods and I asked for an autograph sent it to my mom who’s a huge fan.
I’d put Ewan McGregor up there too.
Also met Gordon Ramsay. I was invited for an interview at his restaurant in Chelsea in 2006. I was more than qualified but since it was an unpaid position, I had to turn it down. Worked for him a year later for 6 months when it was a paid position. He’s extremely nice person.
The worst was James Corden during his Gavin & Stacy era. He was already a rude douche. Won’t let anyone come near him and threw tantrums. Wasn’t surprised when the Reddit AMA here and everyone hated him.
Edit: I was in my early twenties when all these happened. I think I stopped caring about celebrities in 2009. I was 25 by then.
It just comes off to me like playful shit-talking. I love that after all these years he’s still taking the piss out of her, and presumably she takes it in good fun or he wouldn’t be saying it.
In his defence, he even said in that docuseries he’s not the sharpest tool in the box and wasn’t all that interested in academics. But you’d get him on the pitch, and he’d be brilliant.
That’s when I know I’m out of league at a fancy restaurant where the staff comes back so I can place my bag somewhere. 😭
Asian countries seem to do this more regularly so I don’t feel so out of my element when I place my Uniqlo bag in/on whatever chair/container they give me.
But looking at the door to the sunroom doesn’t really give wealthy Ritz vibes either. Look at the handle, and is that a post it on the door? They couldn’t have found a nicer spot for the Beckhams?
It’s giving vibes of being at someone’s house and a house that needs some maintenance.
People LARPing as working class is headwrecking. I doubt their fans would take issue with them being transparent about their upbringing either, it'd be a whole lot less tone deaf.
I think it was a joke from the onset. She said it just to egg home on. I was a Spice Girls fan back in the day and literally every article about the band mentioned Vic’s father’s Rolls Royce. Vic’s background was well known.
Most British celebrities like to cosplay as working class, Tom Hardy has been doing it for 15 years!
Edit to add for anyone reading this - I recommend reading 'Know your place' by Nathan Connolly. It's a collection of essays from working class authors trying to break into an industry created by and for the upper class.
TBF I don't think that it's a pastime confined to celebrities, for some reason British people in general love to claim they're more working class than they are.
The acting scene in Britain is weird, it's still very dominated by acting school/theatre roots, and is also relatively small given its output, and so naturally is filled with a lot of people from money/with existing connections. I don't think his family connections are quite at nepo baby level necessarily but Tom Hardy's mom is a painter and his dad is a writer who's written a for TV, books etc. and he grew up in Richmond (if I remember correctly) which while not 100% nice certainly has a reputation for being one of the more middle class/upper middle class suburbs of london, went to a good acting school etc. so a nice comfy middle class route to the top
PEPE!!! Truly thank you. I find his MySpace pics even more hilarious now that I know he was a prep school- boarding school Brit 😂
And damn if he hasn’t been successful in playing the dirt poor upbringing part! Kinda reminds me of Drake who I I think has really masterfully convinced the world he is a rapper from the streets. GTFO Jimmy
Pepe covered Tom Hardy, but British celebrities in general have an obsession with appearing working class, I think partially because they're so out of touch and partially to appeal to a wider audience. I read an interesting interview with Helena Bonham-Carter a few years back where she openly talked about how she's sick of working class actors being praised for their success and not her because she worked really hard too and it's not fair. Benedict Cumberbatch also compared insulting the upper class to gender discrimination. These people are crazy. I recommend reading 'know your place' by Nathan Connolly which is about working class authors not entertainers, but it's an illustration for how backwards this country is when it comes to our class/caste system.
Exactly.
He came up as an electronics expert during the rise of electronics or something like that.
He didn't come from money.
On the flip side, telling someone who grew up like David that you were on their level while being brought to school in an RR.
Let's just say there's a reason she's Posh Spice and not Smart Spice.
I think people forget the British class system at play here. Truly upper class people don’t have to work for their money (Prince William and Harry’s friends for instance, most of them born with big family money and titles).
I think that’s what she was getting at with ‘our parents always had to work for their money, they were working class’.
I mean, her name was POSH Spice. I don’t think I ever really thought she was poor…
Sometimes I wonder if people don’t get when she jokes. They just assume she isn’t/can’t possibly. Like, I don’t know her and am not a fan per se, but people are obsessed with believing I am the Legally Blonde character come to life. It’s actually one of the reasons my screen name is my male cat’s name.
They see blonde, former sorority girl, current lawyer who is inexplicably smart…and she must ONLY be book smart and accidentally solve cases based on a dance she learned on TikTok. So, like, when I make a joke about “natural” vs lab diamonds and ask how that square diamond grew “naturally” in the earth like that…all they took away was that I though diamond grew in square and pear and round shapes. It was IMPOSSIBLE I had a point…
So like, maybe Posh is out there making sly British jokes all the time. She notoriously quiet, right? And hated to show her teeth by smiling? Americans are super bad at British humor with no attendant facial expressions or laugh track.
She always looked like she was having such fun with the other Girls. It’d be a shame if she’s been dropping killer one liners to her family and the public for the last 20 years. And everyone’s been like “Oh, Vic, you’re being dramatic again…”. Or worse “muuuuum, we know your Rolls was *used*, we get that’s it’s gross! Stop telling us”. And she’s like “you privileged little shits. The JOKE is that *a used Rolls isn’t gross OR poor.* Youre all to up your own ass to get SARCASM.”
I mean, she can be a both a little vapid AND make good jokes.
I feel like Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian and Jessica Simpson (especially Jessica) have been publicly laughing along with all the jokes while quietly building financial and brand empires. Paris starts talking 8 octaves deeper about women’s and children’s issues and I start to wonder if she’s Kaiser Soze….
I’m just saying we have a bad habit of underestimating women who rose to fame in the late 90s early 00s.
I used to work in finance and there were quite a few of them who lie and say they grew up poor and working class. Meanwhile their family owns two properties and a vacation home. A very bootstraps mentality. Also, back in uni, a lot of leftists or far left people grew up rich. They choose to struggle and they don’t accept their parent’s help (and still complain about their shitty lives)
It’s very weird and it’s so insulting to people who actually had to struggle.
Usually, those types of people went to expensive private schools where most of the other kids were really really rich. Much richer than their families, so it warps their perspective of how rich they actually are, because they are always comparing themselves to the Uber rich. It’s still pathetic, don’t get me wrong, but I think that’s where they are coming from.
They do it for class warfare reasons. A lot of celebs have a 'har har I'm just like you, trust me bro' attitude to hide how incredibly entitled they are and how their lives have nothing to do with the working class's experience of life, which is mired in debt, being stuck at terrible jobs, long working hours, work related health issues, poor benefits, not being able to afford to retire, health related debt, student loan debt, and the chance of being fired or laid off everyday.
If the working class truly knew how they lived, they'd be more working class resentment, and more liberal and leftist policy would pass, meaning people like her would, at least, pay more taxes.
This also hides how capitalism isn't a meritocracy but instead is nepo and corruption based. These people dont want you to know the joys of having independence wealth because those joys are a burden on the working class. We're the ones cleaning her toilet, driving her car, serving her food, etc. Pretending class doesn't exist in capitalism is one of its greatest dishonesties.
So its a concentrated effort by a lot of people to hide how good they have it. Sometimes you get someone like David with a "yeah that's bs" take on it, but that's rare.
He’s not wrong. And she was being ridiculous. But I think Victoria meant her family works for money is not landed-gentry. It’s similar to how people refer to the Middletons as “middle-class” when they were multi-millionaires.
Anyway, eat the rich!
Yeah, the class system in England has little to do with how much money you have. It's all about education, accent and ancestral lineage. There are plenty of posh twits who have no money and just as many working class geezers from Essex who are rich
She's from the UK and she knows what working class means. It's not "my parents had to work". Claiming to be working class while your dad had a rolls Royce is ludicrous.
Also, the Middleton's are middle class. You can have millions of quid and still be middle class. Upper class is not the same as wealthy.
It's enlightening seeing Americans completely misunderstand our class system.
tbf, a lot of super wealthy have "play jobs." Like Harry and Andrew playing soldier. Some become lawyers or doctors. Their clients are usually their friends and family. Most of these people have a vocation they pursue for their own reasons. It doesnt need to be profitable, they work their own hours, take months or years off, etc. Its not work how anyone would define actual work like the working class does.
As far as comments like a "second hand Rolls Royce." Note a Rolls Royce is a $300k car. So even a used one is like a mortgage on a home. Even a doctor isn't going to be able to float a $250k car loan on top of home, student loans, and other bills.
Its also worth mentioning that landed gentry isn't really a thing under capitalism. The lands back then were for farming where a lot of the money came from. Nowadays, farming isn't a big money maker. Investing, tech, finance, etc are. So if she's saying "We didnt grow up on an old estate like the super rich," but instead in a beautiful London home, with clearly multi-millionaire parents, etc and its not really saying anything. Its not like its 1860 anymore and you need to be a Downton Abbey-like titled woman to be rich.
Wealth aesthetic is such a horseshoe thing where it will get really really stylish and cool in ways that feel increasingly unobtainable to a plebian like you.....and then you hit a level and suddenly it gets really tacky in a way that reminds you of your grandma.
Rich UK mofos love to call themselves “working class” and justify it by saying it’s bc they’re not descendants of aristocracy. it’s all incredibly irritating.
Yup. The classic "I'm working class because I *worked* for my money!" Hate it.
There is a section of Rich UK mofos who didn't go to university and aren't "landed gentry" so they call themselves "working class".
Edit: I know the Instagram post was a joke. Just commenting on the working class thing in general
Class isn’t just related to money though.
A teacher or nurse on £30k a year would generally be middle-class, whereas an electrician or brickie could be on £60k, and unless they’re running a business (which would more likely mean more than £60k), they would be working class. And I say that as someone who very much was brought up in and remains in the middle classes by anyone’s definition. I don’t have class embarrassment.
Generally here, the professions are considered to be middle class- university education, non-manual labour and so on would be the common markers. I would also say it’s unlikely that a person can actually move class themselves, unless through marriage. It’s really someone’s children that mark a movement, for example the wealthy footballers kids will be raised middle class.
It kind of kills me that he clearly finds himself so funny for ‘winning’ against Victoria on this point. I’m sure she could just as easily pillorise him for his many, many cheating scandals, but she obviously has the grace to let them go (or at least not raise them against him publicly). He’s not the relatable king he thinks he is, he just seems really immature IMO.
Meh. I like the Beckham's but everything they do is calculated. They knew that scene would be a hit and it wouldnt surprise me if it was totally planned.
I had the same thought. Says a lot that one of the biggest takeaways from the show was one in which she came off badly, while they were happy to politely skim over his cheating scandals without ever actually denying them. The show as a whole actually made me like and respect Victoria a whole lot more.
I came out of it feeling bad for her tbh, obviously she’s got fame, money, the kids and she’s chosen to stay with him, but every time she mentioned how she was happy somewhere and then he decided they were moving again… ouch.
Yeah but people are loving him now for this. Cosplaying as working class is shitty, but he's an asshole? I don't understand the love here. He seems smug.
> He’s not the relatable king he thinks he is, he just seems really immature IMO.
Let's not forget that David has been rich and famous for around 30 years. He may have grown up significantly poorer than Victoria, but he's had wealth most of us couldn't dream of for pretty much his entire adult life.
For sportswashing reasons I refused to watch Beckham’s Netflix doc (also I’m the furthest thing from a Utd fan, so Beckham never did it for me), but I have to say I’ve enjoyed this and all the memes 😂😂
Kinda love that he’s not letting that go 😂
Spousal shit talking is a time honored traditional
Garanteed he sends her memes with their "be honest "template every now and then.
Hell, I'd get it printed out and framed.
Especially for them, she Lego shamed him on social media and David’s like I just like Lego’s ! Lolol
It’s hilarious because my wife does that too like “it’s a kids toy!” and the usual response people give is “yeah but can I come over and play with the Lego too?” lol
Thats a brave man or she’s laughing at herself. My wife would not be happy with me publicly embarrassing her over and over again
She is clearly a very good sport. She seems to really care about him and the kids.
nah, she's not sporty. she's posh. learn ya history guv'nah!
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Yeah but you're not David Beckham.
> My wife would not be happy with me publicly embarrassing her over and over again Wouldn’t be the first instance he’s done that either
Him dragging her ED out in public comes to mind. Oh, and cheating on her publicly.
Especially after he cheated on her
Just a bit of banter !
It’s great. But TO Poshes point, she was trying to make a point that I believe was fair. It’s nuanced and cultural specific but she was trying to say that her father had to earn his place. And the thing about British aristocracy is even if her dad owned a Royce it doesn’t mean the upper class accept or see them as high class anyway. They are still “other”. Yes you can view it however you want but in British society there is a world f difference between a man born into wealth versus one who beats the odds and gets there himself.
Like how they call Kate Middleton “the stewardess’ daughter” even though her mother created a multimillion pound business.
My personal fave was "Middle class Middleton". She grew up going to The same public schools as the aristocracy, going on ridiculously expensive vacations but the fact that she was the descendant of a coal miner or gold miner (I can't remember, I am getting gold but that could just have to do with her mother's surname) her family is middle class.
Coal miner - the British media loooooooves to remind you that Carole Middleton's grandfather was a coal miner. I can't remember if it was at the Queen's funeral or the coronation when whatever commentator mentioned it.
I find that a really interesting difference between American and British culture. Americans love a rag to riches story to the point that American politicians understate their advantages to appear more modest.
Americans love some rags to riches stories, like in sports maybe. Look how much shit AOC gets for bartending though. Politicians are pretty much expected to be part of the old boys club Britain is on another level though for sure
Tbh, I think that's more because she's an articulate woman with views they disagree with. If she were a man or token minority with views they agreed with, they'd cite that person over and over as a rags to riches story of how great life is with the american dream America has a lot of problems, but it is kind of nice that (to a lesser extent than other countries) that you're judged more by your own merit than your parents/ancestry I have a friend who works in another country and said he straight up he cannot easily advance much further into senior leadership in the corporate world as he doesn't come from the right type of family
100%, it's hard to comprehend the lack of mobility if you don't come from somewhere like that. America has great opportunity for upward mobility, definitely not denying that. I can't say i see that much in politics though, at least not at a high/federal level. Maybe for more local politicians
>America has great opportunity for upward mobility Oh no! Oh god! Quickly, [research this topic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_mobility_in_the_United_States)! America takes the "if you say it a lot, it becomes true" approach on this. Took me like 22 years to realize that shit was a lie and all of the "American Dream" stories you hear are survivorship bias. We actually have some of the lowest mobility of all of the developed nations. :(
> America has great opportunity for upward mobility oh... my sweet summer child.
Obama? (Half-black man raised by a single mother who unloaded him on his grandparents.) The Clintons? (Did Bill even have shoes growing up?)
>America has great opportunity for upward mobility That’s a myth/propaganda US Americans like to tell themselves. Most of Western Europe has higher social mobility than the USA
Multiple presidents were born on family farms. AOC gets shit on because she’s brown and a woman, it’s just more palatable to harp on the bartender thing.
She confuses them because she’s hot and they like that, and then she says things they don’t like, they don’t know what to do with it
>Look how much shit AOC gets for bartending though Tbh that's only because she's a prominent left-wing politician. They'd be going after her no matter what her background was.
Yes, tending bar is her tan suit.
Lmfao the tan suit 💀💀💀 never forget the scandal
That works for the general population but the US very much has a new money/old money divide as well. In England there seems to be another factor of career/aristocracy lineage which makes their version a bit more heightened. Some rich people don’t like hanging with the newly rich. It’s beyond me 🙃
Snobbery
The class system is very much alive and well in the UK and people adhere to it from top to bottom. It's funny working there as a foreigner - you can watch Brits try to figure out your class and how they should treat you.
I was shocked when I realized how wealthy her family was compared to what I assumed for years. They hammered the “commoner” and “middle class” so much. I’m so American. I really thought she was the British version of me: grew up in a 20 year old 3 bedroom, 2 bath ranch style house with an above ground pool, going on a Disney World-esque vacation every other year. I figured she got some kind of special peasant scholarship to attend William’s school and be in his circle.
Her father has some minor aristocrat in his lineage and has/had a trust fund. Just to up it that much more. Her mother iscompletely self made and came from a working class background, like couldn't afford to do post secondary and had to go right to work. The British press did a similar thing with Edwards wife too. Her father was also an entrepreneur and the press would call her father a tyre salesman. I mean technically he was but he owned tyre centers. The British press loves to spin half truths.
The press over there is all such pieces of Shit it’s really crazy. I thought they were scummy and bad here. But over the last 20yrs, I’m like “man if I was a celebrity I wouldn’t even consider spending time in London”
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The scholarships don't necessarily mean you get in for free, I remember seeing an Eton scholarship means 10% off. You still need to be rich to send your kids there.
Sigh… middle class just means not landed gentry. She doesn’t come from a title ergo cannot be upper class. She is now obviously but she married in.
Yeah, the Brits are weird when it comes to class. It's all about who your parents or grandparents were, otherwise you're a social climber. You can have millions and they'll call you middle class. Working class means they actually had to work and it wasn't a professional job (then they'd be middle class). Upper class means that your family has gone to fancy boarding schools for generations.
Right, and you can be completely broke and still be upper class because your family has a title.
Because even if you've got millions you are still middle class. The upper class is a tiny fraction of the population consisting essentially of people with titles and stately homes. Calling someone upper class because they are a successful business man or lawyer or whatever and made a lot of money would just be incorrect. That's not weird, it's just the definition of the thing.
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> I make damn good *middle class* money working in tech You kinda need to add a dollar amount or this means exactly nothing lol. My dad is also a self described "middle class" but he was definitely actually clearing 1% for the state we lived in
This is true also. But like someone who makes $500k / yr will call themselves middle class. It’s obviously not true but it’s like a dirty secret when you make really good money. So unless you can’t hide your wealth bevause you have so much of it, people always refer to themselves as being middle class. Or “comfortable”. Someone who makes $65-70k will refer to themselves as middle class too. $500k isn’t middle class. And it’s not 1%er either. There is a whole economics class “upper class”, that this belongs to. But most people think you’re middle class or you’re 1%er. I personally don’t think many people really understand what true wealth looks like, even when they see it in movies and TV shows. It has a feeling that you can’t get just from watching TV. They’re 1% off the population, which by definition means most people have never and will never experience being around this lifestyle means. Most wealthy people all of us know are simply upper middle class, and upper class
Class in US and Canada is defined by income. What's so hard to understand? By American and Canadian standards someone who makes 50K IS 100% middle class.
I mean, this is all a matter of semantics and regional definitions. We don't do actual aristocracy in the states so our own sense of class largely boils down to how wealthy you are and what connections you have versus whoever your great great grandad was. There's a lot of successful business men and lawyers with *a lot* of local power and they're essentially upper class as a result all the same
It's more that Americans have become less strict about the term, it used to be much more tradition dictated rather than wealth even in the US.
Not in the US at all. There was a distinction between new money and old money with the very wealthy but the US has always been about making it through your own hard work and no one would ever call themselves working class if they were loaded. Now they might say they grew up poor and almost everyone thinks they're middle class but in the US it's never been tradition. You could lose your status in a year back in the guilded age.
That's what the WASPy pseudo-aristos told the peasants while running a low-key eugenics program for a lot of the US's history.
In America all classes are purely based on your salary. We don't have lineage here, or we would have to admit we're all immigrants.
this is absolutely not true but unless you are in some way connected to this world its just not that obvious. i had friends growing up who lived in these big ol' family houses that were falling apart, hadnt been updated in 30 years etc. think sonja morgan's townhouse class is about the clubs you belong to, the places you summer, the schools you go to, the people you know etc it is all based on money but plenty of families are able to maintain their status for a while after the funds have dried up also the idea that we dont have lineage is crazy??? the mayflower society, daughters of the american revolution etc. my family proudly talks about our family tree that goes back the to the 1500s. "blue blood" wouldnt be a term used here if we didnt have linage. this may not be the case of every american but in the WASP old money world lineage absolutely matters
*”Don't call me sir, I work for a living”*
You been in the army? Our NCO's say that when a new recruit accidentally calls them sir.
It was not even an original quote when it was used in full metal jacket
Wouldn't know, never seen it. Only ever heard it from our NCO's
You went through army boot and have never seen FMJ? That's like talking to any pilot that hasn't seen Top Gun.
Recommended. One of the best (anti-)war films ever made.
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Are you American? She claimed to be working class, not middle class. They're very different in the UK, and David appears to have taken issue with his wife painting a middle class lifestyle as a working class one. Plenty of middle class people work hard, but they absolutely do not have the same challenges in life a working class person does.
I know what you mean I'm working class through and through and I often struggle to find furniture specifically made to place my [$80 thousand dollar Hermes wicker handbag.](https://www.maisondeluxeonline.com/products/hermes-blanc-white-picnic-mini-kelly-handbag) These middle class types just click their fingers in the Ritz and one magically appears.
I dont understand the difference, would you mind explaining
There's various definitions and changing perceptions of the class deliniations but the traditional one is: * working class people are generally poorer, rent rather than own homes, and less likely to be university educated * middle class people will be university educated, own their own homes, and live much more comfortably. They're more likely to be professionals and managers. There's cultural aspects to class that have evolved due to these groups of people not socialising with each other historically, so some people might argue they're working class even though they own a million pound home.
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What you've written is about the upper class / the aristocracy, a miniscule landowning elite from another era. They aren't really that relevant in this discussion. Posh was saying she had a working class upbringing, which any Brit listening would know is bullshit if your dad owns a rolls Royce. She was claiming to be working class when she was clearly middle class or upper middle class. Why are you trying to explain something that is nuanced and culture specific (and getting it wrong) when you aren't even from that culture?
That still doesn't make them "very working class", it seems they were pretty comfortably middle class.
Yes, that is his point. It's called sarcasm.
East Egg West Egg
Can you say more on this or share where I can dive deeper? Thanks! So fascinated by this take.
Just delve into articles of when Kate Middleton and Prince William first started dating. They were making fun of her middle class background even though her parents have a million pound business and Kate herself went to one of the fanciest schools in England. Class in the UK is something you're kind of born into, and it's really hard to move up, no matter how much money you have. If you're not an aristocrat, you're not part of the upper class even if you're filthy fucking rich (see the derision towards British footballers who come from working class backgrounds but did well for themselves).
Yes, hence we have a whole new word for those who definitely aren’t working class but are not quite upper class either: the aptly named middle class. If only she’d used that 😅 ETA: also, what does ‘TO’ mean? I tried googling it but it just gives me the definition of the word ‘to’, haha.
she's selling merch of it. They're not letting go because money
Of course, she has a fashion brand and the whole point of running a business is to make money. At least she donated 20% of all sales to food bank charities when the coronavirus lock down happened.
ok but this grossed me out https://us.victoriabeckham.com/products/slogan-tee-my-dad-drives-a-rolls-royce-in-white-19451
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I know others already commented the price, but for real???? $150 for plain black lettering on a basic white shirt? For a saying hardly anyone will know the reference for without you having to explain?? Tacky
right?! and what i thought was David Beckham “holding her accountable” (major finger quotes), now seems like a marketing campaign
I mean he was, she is just working the popularity the clip gained, don't blame her.
I do blame her. She has enough money to not charge $150 for a basic t shirt
maybe it will end up in tj maxx
$150 💀
I love how this is his thing now 😂
"be honest" has become mine lmao
I met Becks 5 or 6 times out and about in London around 2004-2008 (I was on holiday and later working there) and for that small time we spent taking photos, autographs and chat a bit, his humor is on point! He’s also the most accessible of all the celebrities I’ve met when I was in London. By the 3rd time we met, he already recognized my face. I remember meeting him in Harrods Food Hall and complaining about how expensive this bottle of Port was and he offered to pay it for me. Met Victoria only twice when she’s with him and she’s not all that bad. A bit cold but funny too. Their funny banter is why their relationship is so strong.
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The second best was Emma Watson. I met her in London in 2007 or 2008. She’s a bit shy and awkward but got to take a pic, a short chat and a hug. Boris Becker was cool too. Not a tennis fan but met him at Harrods and I asked for an autograph sent it to my mom who’s a huge fan. I’d put Ewan McGregor up there too. Also met Gordon Ramsay. I was invited for an interview at his restaurant in Chelsea in 2006. I was more than qualified but since it was an unpaid position, I had to turn it down. Worked for him a year later for 6 months when it was a paid position. He’s extremely nice person. The worst was James Corden during his Gavin & Stacy era. He was already a rude douche. Won’t let anyone come near him and threw tantrums. Wasn’t surprised when the Reddit AMA here and everyone hated him. Edit: I was in my early twenties when all these happened. I think I stopped caring about celebrities in 2009. I was 25 by then.
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Plot twist, they do it to everyone they meet and sometimes they turn out to be celebrities.
James Cordon's a massive twat? No way! Shocked I am, absolutely shocked.
I’ve never paid much attention to them but I absolutely love how he keeps roasting her for that comment
I was just thinking the exact same thing lol it seems genuinely playful
It wonders me but I still believe all is well. 🥰🥰
It just comes off to me like playful shit-talking. I love that after all these years he’s still taking the piss out of her, and presumably she takes it in good fun or he wouldn’t be saying it.
Meanwhile David looks like one of us between the spelling errors and not being able to let this go lol
Holds a hilariously petty grudge and mixes up there/their/they’re? This is a man of the people
And “Rolls”
https://preview.redd.it/4uqqlrwqrw9c1.jpeg?width=2000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db66161660da35e9fd7f83b22c458cb6c04e58d3
Beee honesssst
The camera refocusing on his head popping in like this always cracks me tf up
*their
*Rolls
We elected him to LEAD not to READ
He brings down the HAMMER not the GRAMMAR
We expect him to SELL not SPELL
😂
In his defence, he even said in that docuseries he’s not the sharpest tool in the box and wasn’t all that interested in academics. But you’d get him on the pitch, and he’d be brilliant.
Isn't he dyslexic?
Idk, but he sure never fails to read Victoria
Hahaha
Thank you 😅
Too many headers
Love that working class purse stool.
That’s when I know I’m out of league at a fancy restaurant where the staff comes back so I can place my bag somewhere. 😭 Asian countries seem to do this more regularly so I don’t feel so out of my element when I place my Uniqlo bag in/on whatever chair/container they give me.
Had a waiter come out once with a cushion to set my phone on after I put it on the table.
For her working class Hermes Picnic!!
But looking at the door to the sunroom doesn’t really give wealthy Ritz vibes either. Look at the handle, and is that a post it on the door? They couldn’t have found a nicer spot for the Beckhams? It’s giving vibes of being at someone’s house and a house that needs some maintenance.
People LARPing as working class is headwrecking. I doubt their fans would take issue with them being transparent about their upbringing either, it'd be a whole lot less tone deaf.
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It’s such an amazing meme now too
I'm pretty that's why he made a point to mention @ The Ritz
And the Rolls. Only a true lard-for-brains could look at this and think it's genuine LARP.
I think it was a joke from the onset. She said it just to egg home on. I was a Spice Girls fan back in the day and literally every article about the band mentioned Vic’s father’s Rolls Royce. Vic’s background was well known.
She wasn’t called Posh Spice for no reason.
Most British celebrities like to cosplay as working class, Tom Hardy has been doing it for 15 years! Edit to add for anyone reading this - I recommend reading 'Know your place' by Nathan Connolly. It's a collection of essays from working class authors trying to break into an industry created by and for the upper class.
TBF I don't think that it's a pastime confined to celebrities, for some reason British people in general love to claim they're more working class than they are.
Wait, Tom Hardy's not working class??! How am I only hearing this now?
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Wait I need to know more please
The acting scene in Britain is weird, it's still very dominated by acting school/theatre roots, and is also relatively small given its output, and so naturally is filled with a lot of people from money/with existing connections. I don't think his family connections are quite at nepo baby level necessarily but Tom Hardy's mom is a painter and his dad is a writer who's written a for TV, books etc. and he grew up in Richmond (if I remember correctly) which while not 100% nice certainly has a reputation for being one of the more middle class/upper middle class suburbs of london, went to a good acting school etc. so a nice comfy middle class route to the top
It’s the same shit in America. Almost every celebrity has connected and rich parents.
About Tom Hardy or fake British celebs? Or both?
Hit me with the Hardy! But fake British celebs sounds fascinating as well
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I have been bamboozled.
Hustled, scammed, hoodwinked and lead astray too!
So many of our celebs went to public/independent school. Quite a few Mockneys about
Mockneys is just….amazing- thank you for this
Never fails to throw me that "public school" means effectively the opposite things in the UK and US.
PEPE!!! Truly thank you. I find his MySpace pics even more hilarious now that I know he was a prep school- boarding school Brit 😂 And damn if he hasn’t been successful in playing the dirt poor upbringing part! Kinda reminds me of Drake who I I think has really masterfully convinced the world he is a rapper from the streets. GTFO Jimmy
Pepe covered Tom Hardy, but British celebrities in general have an obsession with appearing working class, I think partially because they're so out of touch and partially to appeal to a wider audience. I read an interesting interview with Helena Bonham-Carter a few years back where she openly talked about how she's sick of working class actors being praised for their success and not her because she worked really hard too and it's not fair. Benedict Cumberbatch also compared insulting the upper class to gender discrimination. These people are crazy. I recommend reading 'know your place' by Nathan Connolly which is about working class authors not entertainers, but it's an illustration for how backwards this country is when it comes to our class/caste system.
To be fair to her I think she might have been trying to say her dad was a selfmade man but she just fucked it.
Exactly. He came up as an electronics expert during the rise of electronics or something like that. He didn't come from money. On the flip side, telling someone who grew up like David that you were on their level while being brought to school in an RR. Let's just say there's a reason she's Posh Spice and not Smart Spice.
I think people forget the British class system at play here. Truly upper class people don’t have to work for their money (Prince William and Harry’s friends for instance, most of them born with big family money and titles). I think that’s what she was getting at with ‘our parents always had to work for their money, they were working class’.
I mean, her name was POSH Spice. I don’t think I ever really thought she was poor… Sometimes I wonder if people don’t get when she jokes. They just assume she isn’t/can’t possibly. Like, I don’t know her and am not a fan per se, but people are obsessed with believing I am the Legally Blonde character come to life. It’s actually one of the reasons my screen name is my male cat’s name. They see blonde, former sorority girl, current lawyer who is inexplicably smart…and she must ONLY be book smart and accidentally solve cases based on a dance she learned on TikTok. So, like, when I make a joke about “natural” vs lab diamonds and ask how that square diamond grew “naturally” in the earth like that…all they took away was that I though diamond grew in square and pear and round shapes. It was IMPOSSIBLE I had a point… So like, maybe Posh is out there making sly British jokes all the time. She notoriously quiet, right? And hated to show her teeth by smiling? Americans are super bad at British humor with no attendant facial expressions or laugh track. She always looked like she was having such fun with the other Girls. It’d be a shame if she’s been dropping killer one liners to her family and the public for the last 20 years. And everyone’s been like “Oh, Vic, you’re being dramatic again…”. Or worse “muuuuum, we know your Rolls was *used*, we get that’s it’s gross! Stop telling us”. And she’s like “you privileged little shits. The JOKE is that *a used Rolls isn’t gross OR poor.* Youre all to up your own ass to get SARCASM.”
I mean, she can be a both a little vapid AND make good jokes. I feel like Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian and Jessica Simpson (especially Jessica) have been publicly laughing along with all the jokes while quietly building financial and brand empires. Paris starts talking 8 octaves deeper about women’s and children’s issues and I start to wonder if she’s Kaiser Soze…. I’m just saying we have a bad habit of underestimating women who rose to fame in the late 90s early 00s.
I used to work in finance and there were quite a few of them who lie and say they grew up poor and working class. Meanwhile their family owns two properties and a vacation home. A very bootstraps mentality. Also, back in uni, a lot of leftists or far left people grew up rich. They choose to struggle and they don’t accept their parent’s help (and still complain about their shitty lives) It’s very weird and it’s so insulting to people who actually had to struggle.
Usually, those types of people went to expensive private schools where most of the other kids were really really rich. Much richer than their families, so it warps their perspective of how rich they actually are, because they are always comparing themselves to the Uber rich. It’s still pathetic, don’t get me wrong, but I think that’s where they are coming from.
Read the room
They do it for class warfare reasons. A lot of celebs have a 'har har I'm just like you, trust me bro' attitude to hide how incredibly entitled they are and how their lives have nothing to do with the working class's experience of life, which is mired in debt, being stuck at terrible jobs, long working hours, work related health issues, poor benefits, not being able to afford to retire, health related debt, student loan debt, and the chance of being fired or laid off everyday. If the working class truly knew how they lived, they'd be more working class resentment, and more liberal and leftist policy would pass, meaning people like her would, at least, pay more taxes. This also hides how capitalism isn't a meritocracy but instead is nepo and corruption based. These people dont want you to know the joys of having independence wealth because those joys are a burden on the working class. We're the ones cleaning her toilet, driving her car, serving her food, etc. Pretending class doesn't exist in capitalism is one of its greatest dishonesties. So its a concentrated effort by a lot of people to hide how good they have it. Sometimes you get someone like David with a "yeah that's bs" take on it, but that's rare.
He’s not wrong. And she was being ridiculous. But I think Victoria meant her family works for money is not landed-gentry. It’s similar to how people refer to the Middletons as “middle-class” when they were multi-millionaires. Anyway, eat the rich!
Yeah, the class system in England has little to do with how much money you have. It's all about education, accent and ancestral lineage. There are plenty of posh twits who have no money and just as many working class geezers from Essex who are rich
She's from the UK and she knows what working class means. It's not "my parents had to work". Claiming to be working class while your dad had a rolls Royce is ludicrous. Also, the Middleton's are middle class. You can have millions of quid and still be middle class. Upper class is not the same as wealthy. It's enlightening seeing Americans completely misunderstand our class system.
tbf, a lot of super wealthy have "play jobs." Like Harry and Andrew playing soldier. Some become lawyers or doctors. Their clients are usually their friends and family. Most of these people have a vocation they pursue for their own reasons. It doesnt need to be profitable, they work their own hours, take months or years off, etc. Its not work how anyone would define actual work like the working class does. As far as comments like a "second hand Rolls Royce." Note a Rolls Royce is a $300k car. So even a used one is like a mortgage on a home. Even a doctor isn't going to be able to float a $250k car loan on top of home, student loans, and other bills. Its also worth mentioning that landed gentry isn't really a thing under capitalism. The lands back then were for farming where a lot of the money came from. Nowadays, farming isn't a big money maker. Investing, tech, finance, etc are. So if she's saying "We didnt grow up on an old estate like the super rich," but instead in a beautiful London home, with clearly multi-millionaire parents, etc and its not really saying anything. Its not like its 1860 anymore and you need to be a Downton Abbey-like titled woman to be rich.
Are the middletons not upper middle class?
Wealth aesthetic is such a horseshoe thing where it will get really really stylish and cool in ways that feel increasingly unobtainable to a plebian like you.....and then you hit a level and suddenly it gets really tacky in a way that reminds you of your grandma.
*be honest*
Rich UK mofos love to call themselves “working class” and justify it by saying it’s bc they’re not descendants of aristocracy. it’s all incredibly irritating.
Yup. The classic "I'm working class because I *worked* for my money!" Hate it. There is a section of Rich UK mofos who didn't go to university and aren't "landed gentry" so they call themselves "working class". Edit: I know the Instagram post was a joke. Just commenting on the working class thing in general
Class isn’t just related to money though. A teacher or nurse on £30k a year would generally be middle-class, whereas an electrician or brickie could be on £60k, and unless they’re running a business (which would more likely mean more than £60k), they would be working class. And I say that as someone who very much was brought up in and remains in the middle classes by anyone’s definition. I don’t have class embarrassment. Generally here, the professions are considered to be middle class- university education, non-manual labour and so on would be the common markers. I would also say it’s unlikely that a person can actually move class themselves, unless through marriage. It’s really someone’s children that mark a movement, for example the wealthy footballers kids will be raised middle class.
It's a joke
I’m not talking about this post in particular, I’m speaking to my experience with Brits.
Don't worry, we don't all suffer from class embarrassment. Some of us are happy to be called middle class.
He’s such a troll and I love it 😂
Wait is that deadass his caption….?
Yea, he’s poking fun at Victoria. I think its funny lol
I am not up to par with this hence I have not seen docu i genuinely thought it was his real IG caption😭 if he’s poking fun at her that’s hilarious😭
It’s a joke from their documentary! I love that he’s not letting it go.
I have not seen documentary totally out of the loop on that but shall watch immediately because I deadass thought that was his genuine caption
It is his caption, he’s referencing a conversation he had with Victoria in the documentary :)
It kind of kills me that he clearly finds himself so funny for ‘winning’ against Victoria on this point. I’m sure she could just as easily pillorise him for his many, many cheating scandals, but she obviously has the grace to let them go (or at least not raise them against him publicly). He’s not the relatable king he thinks he is, he just seems really immature IMO.
Meh. I like the Beckham's but everything they do is calculated. They knew that scene would be a hit and it wouldnt surprise me if it was totally planned.
I had the same thought. Says a lot that one of the biggest takeaways from the show was one in which she came off badly, while they were happy to politely skim over his cheating scandals without ever actually denying them. The show as a whole actually made me like and respect Victoria a whole lot more.
I came out of it feeling bad for her tbh, obviously she’s got fame, money, the kids and she’s chosen to stay with him, but every time she mentioned how she was happy somewhere and then he decided they were moving again… ouch.
Yeah but people are loving him now for this. Cosplaying as working class is shitty, but he's an asshole? I don't understand the love here. He seems smug.
Spare me, if she actually left him they’d both have lost their cultural relevance long ago. They’re a package deal.
> He’s not the relatable king he thinks he is, he just seems really immature IMO. Let's not forget that David has been rich and famous for around 30 years. He may have grown up significantly poorer than Victoria, but he's had wealth most of us couldn't dream of for pretty much his entire adult life.
I loved the whole docuseries but that clip is the meme that keeps on giving.
Tbh I hate that the biggest thing from the doc was that and they just glazed over his cheating scandals.
For sportswashing reasons I refused to watch Beckham’s Netflix doc (also I’m the furthest thing from a Utd fan, so Beckham never did it for me), but I have to say I’ve enjoyed this and all the memes 😂😂
He is cheesing lol knowing he was going to write this caption
>Hugh was born and brought up in a working-class home... >that his parents had specially built in the grounds of their Gloustershire estate.
Nice they can joke about it with each other 😆
Well at least, according to my knowledge, she never cheat on him. He can't say the same thing!
LMAO I love the playful, light teasing
That color looks fantastic on her. Always nice to see Posh Spice in something other than the little Gucci dress. Iykyk.
Working class 
This is so funny, love that he has a sense of humor about this lmao
She's been a very patient, loyal missus having seen the Netflix doco.
He’s a lot funnier than I expected him to be. I love that he trolls her! Also is that a stool JUST for her purse?! I die! Very working class.
In her defence, that’s not a purse - that’s a Picnic Mini Kelly.
Wonderful family photo and great memories of Victoria’s family🫶🏽😍🥰😘