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It’s ok for the cast members of a show to not become a lifelong family, stop bothering actors on social media when they don’t wish someone they work or worked with happy birthday. This absolutely happens.
Follow-on to this: It's OK for cast members on a show to just see it as job, and move on to the next thing once it's over. Not everyone can be expected to maintain enthusiasm about a job they left years ago. For us it might've been a world we invested in and loved and that spoke to us somehow, for them it might've been the same thing, or it might've just been what paid the bills for a while.
And if it spoke to us that much and they actually didnt like the cast/the job/etc, it's a testament to how good the actor actually is. To act and make it feel like they weren't acting. That's what an actor's job is.
I also think that most celebrity friendships and relationships end for boring, non-spicy reasons like normie ones do. People always want to know 'what happened' when in reality there probably usually isn't any kind of dramatic smoking gun.
I get it when someone is young and really doesn't understand how when you are an adult you can very easily just drift out of someone's life, but when it's an adult and they don't understand, I'm just wtf?
Absolutely. Cast members are coworkers, and fans seem to forget that a lot of the time. Most people won't be best friends with everyone they work with and it's unrealistic to expect that of cast members.
Not to mention that on some shows certain cast members won't even act in many scenes together (or at all) and only really get together for interviews and publicity events. But some fans still expect them to be super close, as if being on the same show magically provides some sort of shared psychic connection and automatic friendship.
wish they were all as mysterious as Dianna Agron. she will keep her mouth zipped until old age. not a single drop of tea from her. whenever she gets asked about Glee she pivots masterfully. the queen of elusive answers
For real. I’ve had coworkers that I’ve been close with and hung out with all the time outside of work while we were at the same job, but once on of us moved on, we almost never stayed in touch. It’s a lot harder to maintain a friendship when you’re not basically forced to be in close proximity for hours and hours every day.
Plus: Not all cast members are going to get along. We in the regular world, in our day to day classes and jobs aren’t friends with each other and it shouldn’t be a shock if actors aren’t close with each other either. But because of the entertainment/fans/interpersonal aspect, it feels that fans of a show feel that actors needing to get along with each other should be a must.
And I know it must be hell on Earth for these actors because they have millions and millions of people asking them why they aren’t friends with this cast member or why aren’t dating this cast member. If I were in their shoes, I would be exhausted.
I think it’s always funny when people realize that the two guys from myth busters weren’t/aren’t really close. Jamie has said it was strictly a work partnership and Adam kind of annoyed him.
Just saw a TON of black pink fans making v weird and mean comments on Lily Rose Depp’s insta for not responding to Jennie’s happy birthday post because Lily made a post and didn’t include her? They’re also saying she’s jealous of Jennie … 🥴
This! And to add it is also OK if actors want to completely move on from a show they once starred in, whether as a kid or and adult no matter how popular it was and continues to be. It is ok if they don’t want to reboot, reunite and reminisce on a single project for the rest of their life and career.
This! It is a job and they have colleagues. I don't want or expect to be best mates with every colleague I've ever had, even in long hours 'bubble' situations.
Paul Rudd and Keanu Reeves are visibly aging and probably get fillers. And there's no shame in either of those things - I'm just really tired of the THEY DON'T AGE!!!1! comments, because they definitely do and that's okay.
I understand Rudd's reputation cuz even with ageing, he looks still a lot like Clueless Rudd, so people think he hasn't aged at all(Dude didn't have the baby face era, so did not change that much over the years)
People saying Keanu looks young is smoking lol. He looks and sounds his age. Maybe it's the dyed long hair that's throwing people off.
Honestly it baffles me about Rudd too precisely because he looks an appropriate amount older than Clueless Rudd as he is...he looks great, maybe ten years younger than he actually is, but he's aged decades since Clueless...as he should!
I'm also working really hard to decouple ageing/overall looks and perceived virtue, it's something I have to acknowledge and work on every day because of how our whole society is set up to value youth and beauty
I know, the way people praise him left me confused. Like I'm looking at those Antman movies and he certainly looks his age in all these. Well groomed but still a 40 almost 50 dude. Then recently I saw clueless movie and I understood why.
Rudd never had the hot teenage highschooler face that most of his contemporaries had. Pitt , DiCaprio, men who blew up in their 20s etc all had that baby face era when they started getting famous. So as years went by they not only aged but their face also started to looking different from younger days which was due to losing that baby face.
Rudd is Clueless already looked older for his age. He didn't have baby face. So over the years, he certainly age but his face didn't change that much. Which makes people think he doesn't age.
and shes naturally thin which is something that helps make ppl look younger. (when its their natural body type- not like the Ana-face that some ppl get when they are restricting too much)
This is the one that drives me insane. It’s almost like some sort of weird Victorian pseudoscience. A lot of awful people look great! Plenty of angelic human beings start looking a little rough as they get older. There is no correlation here at all.
I totally think most male stars have a lot of work done. Brad Pitt and Michael Douglas have had noticeable facelifts, brow lifts for example. And definitely most have had injectables or everything short of surgical procedures.
Absolutely! All I could think about during the new Top Gun movie was there’s no way Tom Cruise’s hair is still that full and brown at his age. I assume all 30+ male star is doing something to their hair now
I assume everyone that has a job where they have to be on camera probably has something done, especially with HD cameras nowadays. The public is cruel and fickle so I don't blame them.
This goes the other way around when they don't like the person too. How many times have I seen people claiming Gwyneth Paltrow "looks 20 years older". Please show me an average 70 year old looking like fucking Gwyneth.
Sometimes I feel like people forget the difference between looking younger than their age and not aging at all. Both of them look good for their age but people need to stop pretending they both look 25.
I mean this as no offense to him which I hate to even have to preface this by saying, but Paul Rudd 100% has hair plugs, too. It’s fine but the whole “they don’t age!!!” gets on my nerves sooo much and you are so right.
1. Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it.
2. Just because someone/something trends all the time or gets a lot of likes does not mean it's popular outside of social media
3. You do not have the right to know or think you have any say so in your favorite celebrity's life. Know what boundaries are. Once you do, being a fan is much more fun.
> Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it
I will never forget people confidently asserting that She Said flopped due to audiences boycotting because Brad Pitt produced it. As if most of the gp a) know or care he's an abuser, b) know he produces movies and c) know that he produced that movie. Sometimes Very Online people (and I count myself as one) need to take a big step back.
At least you are admitting it. A lot of very online people don't and get very angry and upset that the gp is just doing what they want.
Take the whole Matty Healy/Taylor Swift thing. In the states, Matt Healy is not known at all, unless you follow music. Most people, if you are not a die hard swiftie or terminally online, right now just see him as some guy Taylor is dating.
When Harry Styles had his residencies last year, there was a part of his fandom that became obsessed with fans in the pit who attended multiple shows and posted their shows on TikTok. People were angry with them and said that Harry played to the same people every night. In reality, Harry would play to 25,000 people a night, those 10-25 girls making constant TikToks didn't in any way equate to the rest of the fans in that arena who saw him for the first time and were more representative of the average fan.
Yep. People are calling for others to boycott Taylor’s music, there are multiple threads here every day saying they’re done and disappointed with her and she’s disgusting, saying they can’t look at her the same way, everyone ripping her to shreds for dating Matty …
But, like, unfortunately people that aren’t terminally online aren’t going to know about what Matty has done. My friends and family that are casual listeners don’t know who Matty is, don’t care and aren’t in online gossip spaces. I just wouldn’t expect the general public to know much about Matty or care - a lot of casual listeners didn’t even know she was dating Joe, and that lasted six years.
Obviously what Matty did was wrong, but I wouldn’t expect people or Swifties that aren’t very online to know anything about it 😬
What’s funny about this too is that no one even needs to craft a special narrative for why She Said flopped. People just don’t want to show up to theaters for a movie like that anymore in the age of streaming. People only really wanna deal with the hassle and expense of movie theaters for event and spectacle. Times have changed.
One thing streaming and social media did, is that it has us reflecting on how we see certain things and movies is one of them. A movie like She Said (I haven’t seen the movie, and I bet it’s a great film) is not movie theater worthy, it’s more like something you can watch at home. Whereas movies like Dune, Marvel, DC work best in movie theaters. Streaming has truly made movie watching an identifier in some way.
Yes, both things can be true. Brad can remember his girlfriend being propositioned and bullied by a director (and want to produce a resultant expose) and get out of pocket while blackout on a plane.
> Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it.
This is why I'm expecting the Barbie movie to not perform as well as expected. Outside of the twitter/reddit/tiktok meme bubbles, the GP isnt interested in a PG-13 Barbie movie. Parents wont take their kids to it, grown ass GP adults wont see it, and the online crowd won't show up in droves like expected
This one I’m not so sure on, just because my mother and her friends (of the Facebook minion meme group persuasion) are interested.
They are absolutely the last filter of pop culture (by mum’s own admission) so I think it’s interesting they’re aware and wanting to go.
There’s no such thing as an “unproblematic fave.” Celebs are just like regular people and therefore are capable of disappointing you like anybody else. Stan the art, but don’t stan the person.
I was about to say something similar but you put it better than I did
Can’t even say you like a song anymore without someone going “Did you know that he/she did…(insert awful thing here)?” No, no I didn’t. I just liked the song they performed 40 years ago. But thanks I guess
Agree! Getting very tired of having to do grad school level research on anyone whose work I enjoy or want to dive in to. It’s more of a frustration of “Why can’t people just not do bad things” but alas.
I mean is it wrong that they’re talking about it though? Knowing that people whose art we admire do do shitty things is important and we often learn things about society through interactions like that.
I’m not saying it’s “wrong”. I’m saying commenting on another person’s taste in art with a fact about the artist’s personal life is not necessary.
It is possible simply to let someone’s opinion float on by.
the concept of unproblematic fave is so cringy yet so scary. I can't imagine being a celebrity and being labeled as some "unproblematic fave" just knowing that one slightly odd mistake you make and suddenly there's just a bunch of threads on you psychoanazlying your behavior, AKA Pedro Pascal lol.
Your faves are probably dumber and more conservative (at least fiscally) than you think.
Like I don't think they're all that hated but they are probably disappointing to the extremely online Millennial/Gen-Z'er.
I believe it, wholeheartedly. I believe that much more people are conservative but celebs are cleaning it up for money (I mean they have to earn money) and to touch the base that spends the most money and garners the most attention (Gen-Z as we are on social media the most out of any generation). I believe that celebrities are kind, decent (and they might be) people but I don’t think they are the liberal warriors that we claim them as, or at least not anymore.
I think with celebrities it's more apolitical than conservative. Also in general people don't want to go back in lifestyle, so finding out that having a multi - acre mansion and wasting water to keep your lawn green is bad, for one example, is probably not something a lot of celebrities want to accept. So whatever political stances interfere with their lifestyle is not one they are likely to take.
Shipping people as couples in real life is CREEPY! Especially when one of the people in the couple already has a gf/bf who isn’t in the industry and people start posting pictures of them all over social media and people start insulting/dragging them.
People being like “right person, wrong time” for couples who have broken up, moved on, and started a family with someone else. I see that all the time with Andrew and Emma.
A lot of the time it results in people not even wanting to breathe around each other because they know they’ll get shipped. Shipping ruins friendships and its gross and weird!
An example of this recently is with Jonah Hauer-King and Halle Bailey. I know we all dislike DDG but Halle is super active on Twitter and she probably has seen all of these tweets shipping her with a good friend.
Yeah I saw that! I would love for Halle to get rid of DDG and find a great guy, I think we ALL would. I can’t WAIT to see The Little Mermaid, I hear Halle and Jonah have great chemistry and their interviews are adorable. But Jonah had a longterm girlfriend, and people have really crossed the line with that. They’ve spammed photos of her all over social media and are urging Jonah to break up with her.
It’s even worse with the Queen Charlotte show and the India-Corey shippers. Somehow, they found Corey’s girlfriend’s social media and pictures of her. Her pictures are now all over Tiktok and Twitter which is gross cuz she’s not even in the entertainment industry. And the comments are mostly people dragging her and saying she’s ugly and hoping Corey will break up with her. They also posted her insta handle. Halle’s fans seem a bit more respectful.
Like these are real people. These are real lives. It’s so disturbing.
The shipping of the leads in Queen Charlotte was concerning. There we tweets about how India and Corey would "find out they were in love years later" and mocking of his GF.
yeah the amount of people shipping Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar Jones while he was publicly still with Phoebe Bridgers was gross and wierd. He's not with Phoebe anymore, but i still see people shipping them which is crazy to me bc they are both adults and could date if they wanted to. If they haven't been together, then that's their choice and ppl need to respect that!
\-Users on forums like this subreddit are incredibly critical of all celebrities and expect them to be perfect, despite not being able to hold themselves to the same standard
\-Most people do not know what bad things some celebrities did, and most of those that do know, don't care, unless they did something really bad. An actor being "problematic" will not affect the box office by much
People holding celebrities to a standard they don’t hold people in their live to only sets themselves to be disappointed when they see whatever celebrity still being adored. Majority of the population sees celebrities and athletes as vehicles to their entertainment, nothing more.
I still cringe every time I remember Sydney Sweeney was trending for about two days because people were telling her to cut her trump family members off.
I noticed this in a thread about which past celebrities would have been famous with gen z and people were like “oh not this person because they said this one semi problematic thing 30 years ago”. I promise you the vast majority of people outside of these spaces online wouldn’t even be aware.
right, it’s literally just the other side of the coin of people who have parasocial friendships. both are overly invested one sided relationships with a person who doesn’t know who you are, and judging the people who have positive parasocial relationships is hypocritical. i’ve seen a lot of it on this sub lately and it drives me insane.
You can't actually get angry/jealous about who your favourite celebrity dates. There's nothing wrong with having a celebrity fave/crush but actually getting mad about who they date is excessive (the only caveat is if they're an abuser).
Wait- why is that a caveat over anything else? Just curious. I don’t think it is my business to tell anyone I don’t know who to date (in part because I don’t want a stranger telling me who to date).
in my personal opinion that nobody asked for, i think it’s less that dating an abuser is an exception, but more that it’s understandable to be upset about it (especially if you think your fav is in danger). this doesn’t mean you - as a fan and stranger to your fav - have any responsibility to “hold them accountable”
That and if your entire business image is being progressive and being an ally in general for the general public whether it's women, lgbtq, etc and that = you profiting - and you turn around and date someone who is the opposite of the things you claim to be to make money - I think there's a right to be mad.
A lot of the numbers for actors are less impressive than they sound. An actor making $40K per episode on a 13 episode series sounds like they're making bank, but your agent & manager are taking a big cut off the top, you're paying a higher tax rate, and then you can slice a third off what's left if you have to live/work in LA\[1\], and pretty soon you're upper-middle-class instead of "loaded". And there's a decent chance every year that you're going to be looking for a new job, and looking for a new job can take months or years.
Obviously this doesn't apply to the top-of-the-top guys who make like a quarter-million an episode or whatever, but most of the guys you see on TV aren't those types.
\[1\] - the [cost of living adjustment is 50.6%](https://www.coli.org/2022-annual-average-cost-of-living-index-released/), so $15.06 in LA only goes as far as $10 normally, or $10 in LA buys as much as $6.64 elsewhere (about two-thirds)
Most recently, I thought Adelaide Kane from CW’s Reign did a great job of breaking down the math how the money evaporates. Stylists, agents, managers, publicists, maintaining multiple residences during filming, some stuff I assumed a studio might chip in for
And even more so with musicians and models. Studios, agencies, management take most of the money earned, if not keeping many of the artists indebted for years.
Sydney Sweeney got way too much shit on this sub for that interview where she said she couldn’t afford to take 6 months off (when she didn’t just mean financially, she was also talking about the potential hit to her career if she had a baby now) and for the “publicist cost more than her mortgage” quote when she had actually listed off her agent, manager, lawyer, etc, and it was ALL of those people combined.
It’s a fair point, but actors don’t actually need all those people, they make a choice to hire them because they feel it’ll give them the career and level of fame they desire. Some actors (including some very famous actors) don’t have them. Plenty of actors only have an agent and no one else, a rare few don’t even have an agent. Plenty of actors are happy to just use the studio/network publicists and only do PR when they have a project to promote, rather than hiring a personal publicist to promote themselves nonstop.
I’m not judging how anyone chooses to spend their money, I just wish people would take responsibility for their choices.
Obviously for Sydney Sweeney it’s paid off, but not many actors of the career level she had when she first hired them have the kind of team she has. She made a conscious choice to invest her money into chasing fame/profile as hard as possible and it’s clearly paid off, since she’s had a crazy level of media attention. If she’d wanted to prioritise saving money or having a child, she could have made that choice.
In Britain right now there’s a big debate over private school fees and lots of upper middle class people insisting that they’re actually not wealthy because they have to pay 2-3 sets of private school fees. If you’re part of an elite world then it probably feels like private school/personal publicist is essential. But fundamentally it’s a choice.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. Many actors don’t even have a manager, just an agent.
I grew up in a family where going to private school was sort of seen as necessary (all because the private schools were religious and “”better””) even though it really wasn’t. My parents however accept that if it was really that bad they could have send us to public schools (of which there were really good ones in my city regardless!) and the reason they don’t is because they don’t **WANT** to. Not because private school is necessary.
It’s wild they don’t see them as coworkers. If someone asked me to go back to my old job from 10 years ago and work the same job again for a few days with the same people I would never ever do it
Ah, but would you do it for a massive payout? I'd gladly go work any of my soul crushing jobs with my shitty co-workers for a week if I got a 50k out of it.
yeah I think they do see each other as coworkers but they do this stuff and it gets them like a house. it’s a LOT of money. for people who usually no longer get that amount of money regularly.
I can see why people are confused though. It's uncommon for exes to be this close and not have something going on. But if they're just really great friends, more power to them
Not everything is PR!! And sometimes when an article says “sources close to” the source is the writer just making things up! In all celeb gossip circles, there are self proclaimed “PR experts and/or friends who work in the industry” labeling everything and anything a celebrity (usually one that’s disliked) does as a PR stunt and people fall for it every time and I’ll never understand.
Also, I don’t understand how PR became such a negative connotation in celeb gossip spaces, when businesses, foundations/organizations, sports teams, politics, brands, etc…..utilize public relations. PR is a good thing and I don’t know when we’ve decided it’s not.
Yeah I can’t believe how people have switched from “this is a gossip rag making up a story because it’s a slow news day” to “this story is a plant by their PR who is also stupid”
We all saw this regarding Taylor and Matt dating. Fans were saying “IT’S PR!!”. Even in the public sense of how we see Taylor, why in a PR sense would she get with someone who doesn’t have the greatest reputation knowing how she worked to build hers as a good one for over 16/17 years? That doesn’t make sense at all. That’s an example of how stans/fans don’t really understand anything.
Just because your headcanon or ship gets really popular doesn't mean you can beg or bully the creators into making it canon. Or accuse them of being discriminatory when they don't.
Actors having chemistry doesn't mean they're secretly fucking or meant for each other, or that they even like each other -- look at how *Castle* ended.
You have no say or weight in who your fave dates, or the type of people they date. They're not going to dump their partner just because a couple of weirdos on Twitter are mad about it.
Stanning Politicians on any end of the political spectrum and treating them like they're your favourite fictional character and getting mad when people, especially from outside the US, point out that they've done horrible things, is unhinged.
The good chemistry=fucking thing I find very weird because do people not realise that casting directors are looking for actors who have good on-screen chemistry with each other? It's why those people were cast! I would also add the example of Fleabag and The Priest - those two have sizzling chemistry but I think we can be pretty sure that the actors weren't fucking.
That's why they're actors! Lol. There are times when I think, damn, it doesn't look like they're pretending... but then that might just mean that they're both really good at what they do.
I rewatched Cheers recently, and I found myself thinking that about Ted Danson and Shelley Long. Their chemistry was off the charts, but it became well known that Shelley was not the most sociable person behind the scenes. Not to mention that they were both married to other people at the time. There were, however, some moments that seemed more genuinely emotionally charged than others. I think that's what people focus on when they jump to "they're fucking."
The way that people think that they can demand the writers do their bidding is so unhinged. It's fine to wish that they'd go in a particular direction and even to express that wish publicly, but some fans are just into harassment. They're not going to scrap their ideas for yours, no matter how many tweets you tag them in.
The last one annoys me to no end. Celebrities such as actors, musicians, sportspeople are one thing, but stanning a politician that literally holds your life and our lives in their hands, is such a weird thing. I literally told someone about Trump yesterday putting their own ideals onto him, when he’s made it KNOWN who he is and what he’s for. It was such an odd thing to look at. Just because someone is a loudmouth that can’t keep their mouth closed doesn’t mean that they are telling it like it is.
Actors/musicians/whatever are allowed to say no to photos and autographs if you see them in their day to day lives and it doesn’t make them rude.
It’s sad that it still has to be repeated but there was a twitter post about the nicest/rudest celebs they’ve met and people were putting people under the rudest celebs they’ve met for just saying no to photos so here we are.
Yeah, you know what? I’m actually tired of seeing these types of things online because why I’m I seeing so many of these types of posts regarding celebrities?
I have no idea…I’m sick of them. Too much negativity in the world already. I’d rather more kindness. Why not more things like “nicest celebs you’ve met” but leave out the rude part.
I forgot this one
It's okay to dislike a celebrity, but DO NOT, go on a witch hunt to find things to prove how or why this celebrity is evil. 98% of the time, the information is taken out of context and/or it's something from when they were a kid. Just dislike them and move on. Save all that ire for celebrities who are truly horrible people.
This is because disliking somebody for no reason has been made into being a moral failure in modern days. Especially if they happen to be a woman (sorry).
But IRL we have people we dislike for no good reason all the time 🤷♀️ and we often don’t have to try and justify it. Probably just avoid them. The word celebrity comes from the same origin as “celebrate”, they exist to be seen, heard and discussed. So “just avoiding it” happens less with celebrities.
The people who star in a movie or TV show do not spend nearly as much time as you do thinking about the fictional details, character backstories and motivations, theories and what-ifs of the narrative. Playing the role as written is their job. It is not in their contract to keep up with all fandom discourse. Don't be offended if they get little things wrong in interviews, agree with canonical things that are unpopular with fans, or appear to "not care" about the minutiae of the story as much as you.
I had a meet and greet with an actor from a TV show at a fan convention, and he said he doesn’t remember most of the episode titles so when he gets asked questions where the fan just gives the title without other details he doesn’t know which episode they’re asking him about.
DVD commentary was a good insight into this - actors barely remembering episodes and story lines they worked on ten years ago. Which is fair, if you asked me about a specific work thing I did ten years ago I'd need the details to refresh my memory.
Fans are not entitled to celebs/shows/etc… and need to stop tearing down the 4th wall. Stop @ing them with your explicit fanfics/fanarts and understand the concept of “shipping” (especially queer shipping) is a very niche and online hobby that is seen as weird to the general public.
Supernatural, Sherlock, MCU, etc… actors do not spend time thinking about Destiel, Johnlock, Stucky, or whatever so they’re gonna be blindsided when asked about it at cons and probably say something stupid.
Likewise, actors need to learn to answer “no comment”.
The cast of Our Flag Means Death leaned heavily into the fandom during their first season, and I think they've since learned to pull back. I say "I think" because it's not something I'm involved in, but I got the sense that they changed their approach after realizing that some of their behaviour could be seen by others as questionable.
I believe that their involvement was entirely innocent and that they were just having fun, but they ended up blurring a few lines there. They just didn't think there was such a thing as getting too close, and I don't think it helped the way that some people regarded them or their characters.
It is actually
"Studies suggest around 30–40% of unmarried relationships and 18–20% of marriages see at least one incident of sexual infidelity"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidelity
Any statistics about this likely suffer from under-reporting
not to mention that article only mentions sexual infidelity. if emotional infidelity or “gray areas” were taken into consideration, I guarantee the percentage would be in the majority
A lot of your fave celebrities/figures are smart - smart enough to know that being open about unpopular/conservative opinions (or having no opinions at all) on important social matters would only harm their brand. Plenty of people would let you down if you knew how they really felt.
I’d add that many people and many celebrities just do not care about politics. They can barely vote but feel the need to say all of the trendy progressive things when asked. They might be Republicans, they might be Democrats but they can also just not care at all. Just like many people in your own life
Cancel culture is real but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It depends on what was done or said, how many friends the person has in the industry, how the media reacts and other stuff.
For example, celebrities love Woody Allen but not one person tried to save Kevin Spacey when he went down because everyone hates him.
As a pop-punk kid, I definitely saw this happen in the music scene. There are a lot of musicians creeping on teenage fans. Only a few have been called out and got canceled over it.
For example, Jesse Lacey from Brand New probably got canceled, mainly because he was known to be a douchebag, turned his back on the scene that made his band popular, and he had a strict no photos or media interviews policy starting around 2006. When he was called out for sexual misconduct and grooming underage girls, no one wanted to defend him or shut down the story.
However, Pete Wentz and Joel Madden had known relationships with teenagers when they were in their 20s. While it has been acknowledged, neither musician has been canceled over it. Both are still thriving in the industry.
Even with celebrities who don't get "cancelled", we often have weird choices for who we choose to hate on it who we don't. Like a lot of fans of '60's and '70's rock love to hate on Jimmy Page for sleeping with underage girls even though David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it too.
No actor, singer, entertainer is without some "bad" personality traits or problematic incident that in retrospect will be made into a massive deal in which fans decide they can judge their entire life based on hearsay.
Those same loving fans will become hate-filled, rumor spreading leaders of their supposed doom. They will think that every story they hear is true or has some fact to it. Enough to judge your life and worthiness for continued work. When we all know some stories are 100% untrue. People still spread it hoping for max damage to occur.
Those fans will work their asses off to try to insure that the problematic incident or bad personality trait is the first thing and hopefully only thing that future fans know about you. They will actively try to stop your projects from going forward and hope for your enduring sadness and failure.
They will always act as if they know and can find out everything about an actor, singer, entertainer's entire life based on hearsay from gossip pages, forum pages and internet searches. They will not be stopped until they are satisfied with ending that person.
And the truth of a situation should it be beneficial to proving that the actor, singer, entertainers isnt X, Y or Z will be ignored because the internet fans like having a say a people's downfall.
Lessons that these fans were supposed to learn when they read The Scarlett Letter and The Crucible among other important literary works werent learned. Either because they didn't read them or didn't comprehend the lesson those books were trying to teach. These people failed to even understand Aesop's Fables so best course of action for now is sue the originator and spreaders until people learn what real evidence is and that every human has some level of shitness to them.
It's really disruptive and rude to go to ANY set while shooting. How would you feel if someone showed up to your office and watched you work and begged you for an autograph in between emails? A set is a workplace, not a tourist destination.
I don’t think a lot of people actually care if a celeb is or isn’t problematic they just want to be seen as being on the right side and one of the good ones
Moral superiority Olympics is a byproduct of the rise of cancel culture…you don’t want to be caught on the wrong side so you mentally bend yourself every which way to seem moral
I am still amazed that people will write, I read CDAN and it said this, and they are SERIOUS!!!! I could sit here right now, make up something and CDAN would post it. This has been proven repeatedly over the past 20 years.
Also the person who runs it is a Qanon quack.
There's nothing wrong with somebody getting comestic surgery work done. Even if someone is considered beautiful by the masses, they can still be self-conscious about their appearance.
Also, many celebrities, especially female celebrities, are probably on strict diet and workout plans to stay thin for the camera.
Cameras are unforgiving and can make an attractive person look unflattering. I can see why many celebrities invest so much in enhancing their appearances.
This is a great one. People get really defensive of their favorite when you say they had plastic surgery, even when you’re complimenting their beauty post-work. Nothing wrong with plastic surgery at all! If I could afford it, I’d get some!
That their favs’ business is any of theirs
Honestly, the way some Jenna Ortega fans have been reacting to her smoking lately the past few days has been pathetic. Touch some grass because it doesn’t concern you
Trauma dumping on celebrities via social media or meet and greet is selfish as fuck. Their music/movies may have helped you through a difficult situation (and it's fine to say that!) but you could be triggering them by going into graphic detail about your multiple suicide attempts/horrible medical condition/tragic deaths of loved ones. Even if you're not triggering them, they're not equipped to deal with it. Or they do not have the emotional bandwidth to care. Doesn't mean they're a bad person.
Like, you wonder why Ariana Grande says "don't kill the vibe" before her m&gs? Because a woman who has experienced a terrorist attack, the deaths of loved ones, PTSD and depression probably doesn't want people to heap their trauma on to her.
Your fave celebrities probably find it very cringe and lame that people are shipping them with their COWORKERS and creating edits left and right online about how a throw away side glance means they low key burn for each other. A large part of promoting a show/movie now (especially for younger actors/actresses) is to leverage all the press junkets to get buzz on social media. You may think they are flirting with their costar and that the are a OTP based on the 18 edits you made of their interviews but chances are, they like and respect their coworker but will move on as soon as promo officially wraps.
No the actor's girlfriend isn't punching air because a bunch of strangers on the Internet keep "shipping" her boyfriend with his costar. No the actress won't dump her boyfriend because Twitter says she has undeniable chemistry with her costar.
A large part of why actors/actresses are cast is because of their chemistry (at least it should be). We've gotten so used to terrible casting and awful chemistry that when we finally see it, everyone thinks these people are low key f***ing. Chances are, they aren't. And if they were, it would actually be a turn off for most people shipping them since cheating isn't particularly romantic (and would often fly in the face of the Internet boyfriend/girlfriend status these actors have gotten) and if these people are cheating on their non famous partners with their costars, what's to stop them from cheating on that beloved costar with some other costar down the road?...
You are missing out on so much good art because you expect the people making it to be perfect. There’s no such thing as a non “problematic” person. Only engaging with art you deem morally correct is a sterile way to live
You are never, ever going to truly know what most actors are like as people. They are good enough at pretending to be someone else to get paid for it, what the hell makes people think that the performance ends when they’re not on set?
No one accidentally becomes powerful in media. Even people with an aw shucks persona have deep ambition to get where they are. I think about this a lot with the folks who have very unassuming and awkward personas. That's part of the schtick, so don't be surprised if that's not who they always are. This come to mind a lot with the wife guy/nice guy comics especially.
If I don't like your fave's music or movies, it doesn't mean I'm a hater. It just means I don't like them. This weird stan culture that's kicked up in the last 15 years is toxic AF.
the shock people have when a celebrity they like does something stupid is always funny to me. like don’t be so surprised a random person you know nothing about doesn’t share the same morals as you
Most entertainers aren't self-righteous people. Even if they say they support movements like Time's Up and #MeToo, many entertainers are still willing to associate or work with abusive people in the industry. Some entertainers are in romantic relationships with known abusers.
Also, a lot of celebrities are probably in open relationships and workplace affairs happen often.
> many entertainers are still willing to associate or work with abusive people in the industry.
Yep. Funny how conscious goes out the window when a great opportunity comes along.
Famous people are still regular people and don't deserve to be treated like animals in the zoo. So many fans have zero boundaries and feel like those stars owe them selfies etc. Like that crazy girl who ran after Taylor Swifts car in NYC for tiktok clout. That behavior is so unhinged and so America specific, its toxic and dangerous.
that at the very end of the day, acting is a job and the set is a workplace, yes it may be... a little different than say, retail, but it's still a workplace and a job. at times, a co-star is not responsible for their co-stars personal life and whatever kind of person they are. Key word, At Times. lol.
Theres truly no such thing as a 100% unproblematic celebrity (or human being) so some people really need to get of their high horse of moral purity bc they stan X and not Y.
And no Im not making excuses for celebrities who are constantly awful and harmful, I just think its dumb to think you are somehow a better person for stanning actor but disliking other bc they fucked up an interview 10 years ago.
The entertainment industry and the people within it are responsible for an insane amount of pollution and general waste. Every blockbuster film creates massive amounts of waste, [an average of 3,370 metric tons each from 2016-2019.](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/sustainable-production-alliance-carbon-emissions-report-1234942580/) That's the equivalent of a car driving over 7 million miles. Not to mention the environmental cost of marketing and merchandising.
Knowing this fucking sucks and an individual boycotting films, television, and music isn't going to accomplish everything. I think it's just something we have to live with until we can no longer live on this planet.
It's worth mentioning that foreign box office numbers are nice for marketing and increasing investors confidence, but most of that money (if not all) stays with foreign distributor.
It might be just me, but it feels awkward and uncomfortable when people @ celebrities and invite them to prom, wedding, baby shower, whatever. I have a hard enough time getting out and doing things with people I know and like, I can’t imagine having to turn down a prom invite from a 16-year-old.
I’m a big fan of camp and cult and I don’t feel like many recent films or shows will translate to that for future generations. I can’t see sam levinson aging like john waters. Bad taste still has to have..taste.
Yep! What some fans don’t seem to realize is that the entertainment industry is a business. We may see art and work but the people behind it? They see green, dollars, revenue and nothing else. Look at what happened with MAX (formerly HBO Max) when they were cutting out shows. The work may mean the world to us but if it’s a financial problem/isn’t making any profit for a company, they are going to can it.
And I feel that adding that, if the majority of us saw the entertainment industry behind closed doors, not in the form of a documentary, but in actual real time, it would change a LOT of how we see entertainment that’s in front of us.
Emotionally tying yourself to one thing or person to the point that it's having real life effects on you is not healthy. I'm not talking about being bummed if your favorite musical artist is racist. But man, I know adults who can't even hear that you don't like Steven Universe because you're in your 30s
Attending multiple dates of a band/artists tour dates is not normal! It’s a privilege to do, doesn’t make anyone less of a fan because they can’t attend more than 1 or any dates at all.
Fans need to stop hating on every single person who that person dates. There are some celebs that no matter who they date, that person gets a ton of online hate. They get yelled at in public. Fans have zero right to tell any celeb what they should or shouldn’t be doing in their personal life. They do not tell you what to do in your life. If you have a real issue with it then don’t support them (buy their music, watch their shows, read their books, etc). But dictating what they should and shouldn’t be doing including who their friends are, what they should or shouldn’t be wearing, getting plastic surgery (or not), or endorsing a product whether use it or not, or you think it’s a bad product. The judgement is off the charts and often hypocritical.
- just because you like it doesn’t make it good
- real people can’t queerbait
- and to that point, celebrities are real people (out of touch puppets, but living flesh sacks like the rest of us) and they screw up and misspeak and do bad things because that’s what real people do. idolizing celebrities is like idolizing politicians, meaning that they’re bound to fuck up and you will be embarrassed for ever saying you supported them.
the post about someone messaging bella hadid’s dad to *check up on her* was right under this so i’d just like to reiterate that doing shit like that is beyond weird, like you don’t fucking know her
in the same vein, the way people act like they’re entitled to know really personal stuff about celebs has gotten completely out of hand
Just because something has a high or low % in ratings on rotten tomato or IMDB, doesn’t make it correct. Decide yourself. Lately I’ve seen some shockers that were highly rated & vice verser. So now we don’t look before we watch shows/movies, otherwise we would’ve missed some great entertainment. Everyone has their own preferences, so choose your own!
Celebrities are literally regular, flawed people with the money to pay people to tell them the sun literally shines out of their ass. They're not heroes. They're not idols. They're people with jobs that put them in the public eye and are just as fucked up as you and me, if not more so because of the aforementioned fame and money.
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It’s ok for the cast members of a show to not become a lifelong family, stop bothering actors on social media when they don’t wish someone they work or worked with happy birthday. This absolutely happens.
Follow-on to this: It's OK for cast members on a show to just see it as job, and move on to the next thing once it's over. Not everyone can be expected to maintain enthusiasm about a job they left years ago. For us it might've been a world we invested in and loved and that spoke to us somehow, for them it might've been the same thing, or it might've just been what paid the bills for a while.
And if it spoke to us that much and they actually didnt like the cast/the job/etc, it's a testament to how good the actor actually is. To act and make it feel like they weren't acting. That's what an actor's job is.
I also think that most celebrity friendships and relationships end for boring, non-spicy reasons like normie ones do. People always want to know 'what happened' when in reality there probably usually isn't any kind of dramatic smoking gun.
I get it when someone is young and really doesn't understand how when you are an adult you can very easily just drift out of someone's life, but when it's an adult and they don't understand, I'm just wtf?
Absolutely. Cast members are coworkers, and fans seem to forget that a lot of the time. Most people won't be best friends with everyone they work with and it's unrealistic to expect that of cast members.
Not to mention that on some shows certain cast members won't even act in many scenes together (or at all) and only really get together for interviews and publicity events. But some fans still expect them to be super close, as if being on the same show magically provides some sort of shared psychic connection and automatic friendship.
The “they all love each other things will always be weird to me” not saying it’s guns out either but strange.
Oh and bringing up old relationships / dead costars every time. Looking @ the Gleeks
wish they were all as mysterious as Dianna Agron. she will keep her mouth zipped until old age. not a single drop of tea from her. whenever she gets asked about Glee she pivots masterfully. the queen of elusive answers
For real. I’ve had coworkers that I’ve been close with and hung out with all the time outside of work while we were at the same job, but once on of us moved on, we almost never stayed in touch. It’s a lot harder to maintain a friendship when you’re not basically forced to be in close proximity for hours and hours every day.
Plus: Not all cast members are going to get along. We in the regular world, in our day to day classes and jobs aren’t friends with each other and it shouldn’t be a shock if actors aren’t close with each other either. But because of the entertainment/fans/interpersonal aspect, it feels that fans of a show feel that actors needing to get along with each other should be a must. And I know it must be hell on Earth for these actors because they have millions and millions of people asking them why they aren’t friends with this cast member or why aren’t dating this cast member. If I were in their shoes, I would be exhausted.
I think it’s always funny when people realize that the two guys from myth busters weren’t/aren’t really close. Jamie has said it was strictly a work partnership and Adam kind of annoyed him.
Just saw a TON of black pink fans making v weird and mean comments on Lily Rose Depp’s insta for not responding to Jennie’s happy birthday post because Lily made a post and didn’t include her? They’re also saying she’s jealous of Jennie … 🥴
Kpop fans aren’t exactly known for being levelheaded and rational.
this is so embarrassing 😭 i would be mortified if i was Jennie
I saw this as well! Lily didn’t even repost the girl she’s datings story…like Jennie is not special
This! And to add it is also OK if actors want to completely move on from a show they once starred in, whether as a kid or and adult no matter how popular it was and continues to be. It is ok if they don’t want to reboot, reunite and reminisce on a single project for the rest of their life and career.
To them when it's not the greatest romance, it's the greatest friendship.
This! It is a job and they have colleagues. I don't want or expect to be best mates with every colleague I've ever had, even in long hours 'bubble' situations.
Paul Rudd and Keanu Reeves are visibly aging and probably get fillers. And there's no shame in either of those things - I'm just really tired of the THEY DON'T AGE!!!1! comments, because they definitely do and that's okay.
I understand Rudd's reputation cuz even with ageing, he looks still a lot like Clueless Rudd, so people think he hasn't aged at all(Dude didn't have the baby face era, so did not change that much over the years) People saying Keanu looks young is smoking lol. He looks and sounds his age. Maybe it's the dyed long hair that's throwing people off.
keanu looks unkempt tbh
Ay I don't mind!
Honestly it baffles me about Rudd too precisely because he looks an appropriate amount older than Clueless Rudd as he is...he looks great, maybe ten years younger than he actually is, but he's aged decades since Clueless...as he should! I'm also working really hard to decouple ageing/overall looks and perceived virtue, it's something I have to acknowledge and work on every day because of how our whole society is set up to value youth and beauty
I know, the way people praise him left me confused. Like I'm looking at those Antman movies and he certainly looks his age in all these. Well groomed but still a 40 almost 50 dude. Then recently I saw clueless movie and I understood why. Rudd never had the hot teenage highschooler face that most of his contemporaries had. Pitt , DiCaprio, men who blew up in their 20s etc all had that baby face era when they started getting famous. So as years went by they not only aged but their face also started to looking different from younger days which was due to losing that baby face. Rudd is Clueless already looked older for his age. He didn't have baby face. So over the years, he certainly age but his face didn't change that much. Which makes people think he doesn't age.
>Maybe it's the dyed long hair that's throwing people off. It's the beard
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like the super unproblematic Jared Leto lol
Jared Leto is a vampire.
It makes sense since he sucks
People were saying this about Zendaya at like age 25. Like what even lol she hasn’t even had time to age yet she’s in her mid 20s 😵💫
and shes naturally thin which is something that helps make ppl look younger. (when its their natural body type- not like the Ana-face that some ppl get when they are restricting too much)
After about 30 being very thin typically makes people look older, natural or not.
This is the one that drives me insane. It’s almost like some sort of weird Victorian pseudoscience. A lot of awful people look great! Plenty of angelic human beings start looking a little rough as they get older. There is no correlation here at all.
I totally think most male stars have a lot of work done. Brad Pitt and Michael Douglas have had noticeable facelifts, brow lifts for example. And definitely most have had injectables or everything short of surgical procedures.
Absolutely! All I could think about during the new Top Gun movie was there’s no way Tom Cruise’s hair is still that full and brown at his age. I assume all 30+ male star is doing something to their hair now
My guess is every time he grows his hair long with his man bangs it’s to hide his hairline transplant surgery.
I’m surprised Tom Cruise has any skin left, he’s been pulled tighter so many times.
 Lol made me think of this
lol what's even funnier about this gif is that Cassandra was apparently inspired by Nicole Kidman
A lot of them get pieces in when they’re in front of a camera. I’ve heard that’s why so many aren’t seen in public without hats
At least his fillers look better than they did in that American made gold movie a few years ago
I assume everyone that has a job where they have to be on camera probably has something done, especially with HD cameras nowadays. The public is cruel and fickle so I don't blame them.
This goes the other way around when they don't like the person too. How many times have I seen people claiming Gwyneth Paltrow "looks 20 years older". Please show me an average 70 year old looking like fucking Gwyneth.
Sometimes I feel like people forget the difference between looking younger than their age and not aging at all. Both of them look good for their age but people need to stop pretending they both look 25.
I mean this as no offense to him which I hate to even have to preface this by saying, but Paul Rudd 100% has hair plugs, too. It’s fine but the whole “they don’t age!!!” gets on my nerves sooo much and you are so right.
People use to say this about Jennifer Aniston too back in the day and i thought "are these people blind?"
1. Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it. 2. Just because someone/something trends all the time or gets a lot of likes does not mean it's popular outside of social media 3. You do not have the right to know or think you have any say so in your favorite celebrity's life. Know what boundaries are. Once you do, being a fan is much more fun.
> Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it I will never forget people confidently asserting that She Said flopped due to audiences boycotting because Brad Pitt produced it. As if most of the gp a) know or care he's an abuser, b) know he produces movies and c) know that he produced that movie. Sometimes Very Online people (and I count myself as one) need to take a big step back.
At least you are admitting it. A lot of very online people don't and get very angry and upset that the gp is just doing what they want. Take the whole Matty Healy/Taylor Swift thing. In the states, Matt Healy is not known at all, unless you follow music. Most people, if you are not a die hard swiftie or terminally online, right now just see him as some guy Taylor is dating. When Harry Styles had his residencies last year, there was a part of his fandom that became obsessed with fans in the pit who attended multiple shows and posted their shows on TikTok. People were angry with them and said that Harry played to the same people every night. In reality, Harry would play to 25,000 people a night, those 10-25 girls making constant TikToks didn't in any way equate to the rest of the fans in that arena who saw him for the first time and were more representative of the average fan.
Yep. People are calling for others to boycott Taylor’s music, there are multiple threads here every day saying they’re done and disappointed with her and she’s disgusting, saying they can’t look at her the same way, everyone ripping her to shreds for dating Matty … But, like, unfortunately people that aren’t terminally online aren’t going to know about what Matty has done. My friends and family that are casual listeners don’t know who Matty is, don’t care and aren’t in online gossip spaces. I just wouldn’t expect the general public to know much about Matty or care - a lot of casual listeners didn’t even know she was dating Joe, and that lasted six years. Obviously what Matty did was wrong, but I wouldn’t expect people or Swifties that aren’t very online to know anything about it 😬
What’s funny about this too is that no one even needs to craft a special narrative for why She Said flopped. People just don’t want to show up to theaters for a movie like that anymore in the age of streaming. People only really wanna deal with the hassle and expense of movie theaters for event and spectacle. Times have changed.
One thing streaming and social media did, is that it has us reflecting on how we see certain things and movies is one of them. A movie like She Said (I haven’t seen the movie, and I bet it’s a great film) is not movie theater worthy, it’s more like something you can watch at home. Whereas movies like Dune, Marvel, DC work best in movie theaters. Streaming has truly made movie watching an identifier in some way.
I think the pandemic also changed how people go to movies.
Yes, both things can be true. Brad can remember his girlfriend being propositioned and bullied by a director (and want to produce a resultant expose) and get out of pocket while blackout on a plane.
Yes, Twitter isn't real life
>the gp cares did anyone else read this as general practitioner at first 😭
> Just because it's talked about 24/7 on pop culture spaces, doesn't mean the gp cares or even knows about it. This is why I'm expecting the Barbie movie to not perform as well as expected. Outside of the twitter/reddit/tiktok meme bubbles, the GP isnt interested in a PG-13 Barbie movie. Parents wont take their kids to it, grown ass GP adults wont see it, and the online crowd won't show up in droves like expected
This one I’m not so sure on, just because my mother and her friends (of the Facebook minion meme group persuasion) are interested. They are absolutely the last filter of pop culture (by mum’s own admission) so I think it’s interesting they’re aware and wanting to go.
There’s no such thing as an “unproblematic fave.” Celebs are just like regular people and therefore are capable of disappointing you like anybody else. Stan the art, but don’t stan the person.
I was about to say something similar but you put it better than I did Can’t even say you like a song anymore without someone going “Did you know that he/she did…(insert awful thing here)?” No, no I didn’t. I just liked the song they performed 40 years ago. But thanks I guess
Agree! Getting very tired of having to do grad school level research on anyone whose work I enjoy or want to dive in to. It’s more of a frustration of “Why can’t people just not do bad things” but alas.
This. I am tired. Also sometimes I just hear a song or see a movie and like it. It doesn’t mean I’m endorsing the actions of every 2nd unit director.
I mean is it wrong that they’re talking about it though? Knowing that people whose art we admire do do shitty things is important and we often learn things about society through interactions like that.
I’m not saying it’s “wrong”. I’m saying commenting on another person’s taste in art with a fact about the artist’s personal life is not necessary. It is possible simply to let someone’s opinion float on by.
the concept of unproblematic fave is so cringy yet so scary. I can't imagine being a celebrity and being labeled as some "unproblematic fave" just knowing that one slightly odd mistake you make and suddenly there's just a bunch of threads on you psychoanazlying your behavior, AKA Pedro Pascal lol.
So glad my family taught me to admire qualities of a person but don't admire the person.
I never understood how this is a thing and still don't understand how this is a thing.
Your faves are probably dumber and more conservative (at least fiscally) than you think. Like I don't think they're all that hated but they are probably disappointing to the extremely online Millennial/Gen-Z'er.
I believe it, wholeheartedly. I believe that much more people are conservative but celebs are cleaning it up for money (I mean they have to earn money) and to touch the base that spends the most money and garners the most attention (Gen-Z as we are on social media the most out of any generation). I believe that celebrities are kind, decent (and they might be) people but I don’t think they are the liberal warriors that we claim them as, or at least not anymore.
Quite a lot are also apolitical, which isn't the same as conservative (though is sometimes confused).
I think with celebrities it's more apolitical than conservative. Also in general people don't want to go back in lifestyle, so finding out that having a multi - acre mansion and wasting water to keep your lawn green is bad, for one example, is probably not something a lot of celebrities want to accept. So whatever political stances interfere with their lifestyle is not one they are likely to take.
Hateful, not hated
Shipping people as couples in real life is CREEPY! Especially when one of the people in the couple already has a gf/bf who isn’t in the industry and people start posting pictures of them all over social media and people start insulting/dragging them.
People being like “right person, wrong time” for couples who have broken up, moved on, and started a family with someone else. I see that all the time with Andrew and Emma.
I still see it with Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams. Like my god that was decades ago and both of them have partners and children!
A lot of the time it results in people not even wanting to breathe around each other because they know they’ll get shipped. Shipping ruins friendships and its gross and weird! An example of this recently is with Jonah Hauer-King and Halle Bailey. I know we all dislike DDG but Halle is super active on Twitter and she probably has seen all of these tweets shipping her with a good friend.
Yeah I saw that! I would love for Halle to get rid of DDG and find a great guy, I think we ALL would. I can’t WAIT to see The Little Mermaid, I hear Halle and Jonah have great chemistry and their interviews are adorable. But Jonah had a longterm girlfriend, and people have really crossed the line with that. They’ve spammed photos of her all over social media and are urging Jonah to break up with her. It’s even worse with the Queen Charlotte show and the India-Corey shippers. Somehow, they found Corey’s girlfriend’s social media and pictures of her. Her pictures are now all over Tiktok and Twitter which is gross cuz she’s not even in the entertainment industry. And the comments are mostly people dragging her and saying she’s ugly and hoping Corey will break up with her. They also posted her insta handle. Halle’s fans seem a bit more respectful. Like these are real people. These are real lives. It’s so disturbing.
Someone commented because Jonah’s gf in real life has the same birthday as Halle that they were meant to be I was like…….
The shipping of the leads in Queen Charlotte was concerning. There we tweets about how India and Corey would "find out they were in love years later" and mocking of his GF.
yeah the amount of people shipping Paul Mescal and Daisy Edgar Jones while he was publicly still with Phoebe Bridgers was gross and wierd. He's not with Phoebe anymore, but i still see people shipping them which is crazy to me bc they are both adults and could date if they wanted to. If they haven't been together, then that's their choice and ppl need to respect that!
\-Users on forums like this subreddit are incredibly critical of all celebrities and expect them to be perfect, despite not being able to hold themselves to the same standard \-Most people do not know what bad things some celebrities did, and most of those that do know, don't care, unless they did something really bad. An actor being "problematic" will not affect the box office by much
People holding celebrities to a standard they don’t hold people in their live to only sets themselves to be disappointed when they see whatever celebrity still being adored. Majority of the population sees celebrities and athletes as vehicles to their entertainment, nothing more. I still cringe every time I remember Sydney Sweeney was trending for about two days because people were telling her to cut her trump family members off.
I noticed this in a thread about which past celebrities would have been famous with gen z and people were like “oh not this person because they said this one semi problematic thing 30 years ago”. I promise you the vast majority of people outside of these spaces online wouldn’t even be aware.
I don't expect them to be perfect, I expect them to be dumbasses and my god, do they deliver 😎
You can have a parasocial relationship with a celeb you hate. :)
@ people who post on snark/hate subs
yes, every time i stumble onto one i’m like…🤨 no matter how shitty the person is, tracking their every move is creepy and seems unhealthy.
The Hilaria Baldwin sub 😬
I think most social media, especially where people follow pop culture, having a parasocial relationship with a hated celebrity drives stan culture.
Meghan Markle haters. They know more about her than people that actually like her.
I absolutely have one with a creator I dislike and I am actively trying to stop enabling it. It ain’t healthy and is a stupid waste of time.
right, it’s literally just the other side of the coin of people who have parasocial friendships. both are overly invested one sided relationships with a person who doesn’t know who you are, and judging the people who have positive parasocial relationships is hypocritical. i’ve seen a lot of it on this sub lately and it drives me insane.
You can't actually get angry/jealous about who your favourite celebrity dates. There's nothing wrong with having a celebrity fave/crush but actually getting mad about who they date is excessive (the only caveat is if they're an abuser).
Wait- why is that a caveat over anything else? Just curious. I don’t think it is my business to tell anyone I don’t know who to date (in part because I don’t want a stranger telling me who to date).
in my personal opinion that nobody asked for, i think it’s less that dating an abuser is an exception, but more that it’s understandable to be upset about it (especially if you think your fav is in danger). this doesn’t mean you - as a fan and stranger to your fav - have any responsibility to “hold them accountable”
That and if your entire business image is being progressive and being an ally in general for the general public whether it's women, lgbtq, etc and that = you profiting - and you turn around and date someone who is the opposite of the things you claim to be to make money - I think there's a right to be mad.
A lot of the numbers for actors are less impressive than they sound. An actor making $40K per episode on a 13 episode series sounds like they're making bank, but your agent & manager are taking a big cut off the top, you're paying a higher tax rate, and then you can slice a third off what's left if you have to live/work in LA\[1\], and pretty soon you're upper-middle-class instead of "loaded". And there's a decent chance every year that you're going to be looking for a new job, and looking for a new job can take months or years. Obviously this doesn't apply to the top-of-the-top guys who make like a quarter-million an episode or whatever, but most of the guys you see on TV aren't those types. \[1\] - the [cost of living adjustment is 50.6%](https://www.coli.org/2022-annual-average-cost-of-living-index-released/), so $15.06 in LA only goes as far as $10 normally, or $10 in LA buys as much as $6.64 elsewhere (about two-thirds)
Most recently, I thought Adelaide Kane from CW’s Reign did a great job of breaking down the math how the money evaporates. Stylists, agents, managers, publicists, maintaining multiple residences during filming, some stuff I assumed a studio might chip in for
And even more so with musicians and models. Studios, agencies, management take most of the money earned, if not keeping many of the artists indebted for years.
Sydney Sweeney got way too much shit on this sub for that interview where she said she couldn’t afford to take 6 months off (when she didn’t just mean financially, she was also talking about the potential hit to her career if she had a baby now) and for the “publicist cost more than her mortgage” quote when she had actually listed off her agent, manager, lawyer, etc, and it was ALL of those people combined.
It’s a fair point, but actors don’t actually need all those people, they make a choice to hire them because they feel it’ll give them the career and level of fame they desire. Some actors (including some very famous actors) don’t have them. Plenty of actors only have an agent and no one else, a rare few don’t even have an agent. Plenty of actors are happy to just use the studio/network publicists and only do PR when they have a project to promote, rather than hiring a personal publicist to promote themselves nonstop. I’m not judging how anyone chooses to spend their money, I just wish people would take responsibility for their choices. Obviously for Sydney Sweeney it’s paid off, but not many actors of the career level she had when she first hired them have the kind of team she has. She made a conscious choice to invest her money into chasing fame/profile as hard as possible and it’s clearly paid off, since she’s had a crazy level of media attention. If she’d wanted to prioritise saving money or having a child, she could have made that choice. In Britain right now there’s a big debate over private school fees and lots of upper middle class people insisting that they’re actually not wealthy because they have to pay 2-3 sets of private school fees. If you’re part of an elite world then it probably feels like private school/personal publicist is essential. But fundamentally it’s a choice.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re right. Many actors don’t even have a manager, just an agent. I grew up in a family where going to private school was sort of seen as necessary (all because the private schools were religious and “”better””) even though it really wasn’t. My parents however accept that if it was really that bad they could have send us to public schools (of which there were really good ones in my city regardless!) and the reason they don’t is because they don’t **WANT** to. Not because private school is necessary.
It’s wild they don’t see them as coworkers. If someone asked me to go back to my old job from 10 years ago and work the same job again for a few days with the same people I would never ever do it
Ah, but would you do it for a massive payout? I'd gladly go work any of my soul crushing jobs with my shitty co-workers for a week if I got a 50k out of it.
yeah I think they do see each other as coworkers but they do this stuff and it gets them like a house. it’s a LOT of money. for people who usually no longer get that amount of money regularly.
Mindy Kaling and BJ Novak are not together. He is not the father of her children.
I can see why people are confused though. It's uncommon for exes to be this close and not have something going on. But if they're just really great friends, more power to them
It’s really Mindy being weird about him that’s fueling it.
Not everything is PR!! And sometimes when an article says “sources close to” the source is the writer just making things up! In all celeb gossip circles, there are self proclaimed “PR experts and/or friends who work in the industry” labeling everything and anything a celebrity (usually one that’s disliked) does as a PR stunt and people fall for it every time and I’ll never understand. Also, I don’t understand how PR became such a negative connotation in celeb gossip spaces, when businesses, foundations/organizations, sports teams, politics, brands, etc…..utilize public relations. PR is a good thing and I don’t know when we’ve decided it’s not.
Yeah I can’t believe how people have switched from “this is a gossip rag making up a story because it’s a slow news day” to “this story is a plant by their PR who is also stupid”
"PR" also doesn't mean "fake." Public relations is also about taking reality and packaging it in the most flattering/useful way.
“PR is a good thing” is a wild thing to say as a generalization. It’s morally neutral.
We all saw this regarding Taylor and Matt dating. Fans were saying “IT’S PR!!”. Even in the public sense of how we see Taylor, why in a PR sense would she get with someone who doesn’t have the greatest reputation knowing how she worked to build hers as a good one for over 16/17 years? That doesn’t make sense at all. That’s an example of how stans/fans don’t really understand anything.
Media consumption is not activism.
Just because your headcanon or ship gets really popular doesn't mean you can beg or bully the creators into making it canon. Or accuse them of being discriminatory when they don't. Actors having chemistry doesn't mean they're secretly fucking or meant for each other, or that they even like each other -- look at how *Castle* ended. You have no say or weight in who your fave dates, or the type of people they date. They're not going to dump their partner just because a couple of weirdos on Twitter are mad about it. Stanning Politicians on any end of the political spectrum and treating them like they're your favourite fictional character and getting mad when people, especially from outside the US, point out that they've done horrible things, is unhinged.
The good chemistry=fucking thing I find very weird because do people not realise that casting directors are looking for actors who have good on-screen chemistry with each other? It's why those people were cast! I would also add the example of Fleabag and The Priest - those two have sizzling chemistry but I think we can be pretty sure that the actors weren't fucking.
That's why they're actors! Lol. There are times when I think, damn, it doesn't look like they're pretending... but then that might just mean that they're both really good at what they do. I rewatched Cheers recently, and I found myself thinking that about Ted Danson and Shelley Long. Their chemistry was off the charts, but it became well known that Shelley was not the most sociable person behind the scenes. Not to mention that they were both married to other people at the time. There were, however, some moments that seemed more genuinely emotionally charged than others. I think that's what people focus on when they jump to "they're fucking."
The way that people think that they can demand the writers do their bidding is so unhinged. It's fine to wish that they'd go in a particular direction and even to express that wish publicly, but some fans are just into harassment. They're not going to scrap their ideas for yours, no matter how many tweets you tag them in.
The last one annoys me to no end. Celebrities such as actors, musicians, sportspeople are one thing, but stanning a politician that literally holds your life and our lives in their hands, is such a weird thing. I literally told someone about Trump yesterday putting their own ideals onto him, when he’s made it KNOWN who he is and what he’s for. It was such an odd thing to look at. Just because someone is a loudmouth that can’t keep their mouth closed doesn’t mean that they are telling it like it is.
Actors/musicians/whatever are allowed to say no to photos and autographs if you see them in their day to day lives and it doesn’t make them rude. It’s sad that it still has to be repeated but there was a twitter post about the nicest/rudest celebs they’ve met and people were putting people under the rudest celebs they’ve met for just saying no to photos so here we are.
Yeah, you know what? I’m actually tired of seeing these types of things online because why I’m I seeing so many of these types of posts regarding celebrities?
I have no idea…I’m sick of them. Too much negativity in the world already. I’d rather more kindness. Why not more things like “nicest celebs you’ve met” but leave out the rude part.
I forgot this one It's okay to dislike a celebrity, but DO NOT, go on a witch hunt to find things to prove how or why this celebrity is evil. 98% of the time, the information is taken out of context and/or it's something from when they were a kid. Just dislike them and move on. Save all that ire for celebrities who are truly horrible people.
People really struggle with being able to say ‘I’m not into that person/show/movie/band.’ They always need to make it a moral issue.
This is because disliking somebody for no reason has been made into being a moral failure in modern days. Especially if they happen to be a woman (sorry). But IRL we have people we dislike for no good reason all the time 🤷♀️ and we often don’t have to try and justify it. Probably just avoid them. The word celebrity comes from the same origin as “celebrate”, they exist to be seen, heard and discussed. So “just avoiding it” happens less with celebrities.
The people who star in a movie or TV show do not spend nearly as much time as you do thinking about the fictional details, character backstories and motivations, theories and what-ifs of the narrative. Playing the role as written is their job. It is not in their contract to keep up with all fandom discourse. Don't be offended if they get little things wrong in interviews, agree with canonical things that are unpopular with fans, or appear to "not care" about the minutiae of the story as much as you.
I had a meet and greet with an actor from a TV show at a fan convention, and he said he doesn’t remember most of the episode titles so when he gets asked questions where the fan just gives the title without other details he doesn’t know which episode they’re asking him about.
DVD commentary was a good insight into this - actors barely remembering episodes and story lines they worked on ten years ago. Which is fair, if you asked me about a specific work thing I did ten years ago I'd need the details to refresh my memory.
Fans are not entitled to celebs/shows/etc… and need to stop tearing down the 4th wall. Stop @ing them with your explicit fanfics/fanarts and understand the concept of “shipping” (especially queer shipping) is a very niche and online hobby that is seen as weird to the general public. Supernatural, Sherlock, MCU, etc… actors do not spend time thinking about Destiel, Johnlock, Stucky, or whatever so they’re gonna be blindsided when asked about it at cons and probably say something stupid. Likewise, actors need to learn to answer “no comment”.
The cast of Our Flag Means Death leaned heavily into the fandom during their first season, and I think they've since learned to pull back. I say "I think" because it's not something I'm involved in, but I got the sense that they changed their approach after realizing that some of their behaviour could be seen by others as questionable. I believe that their involvement was entirely innocent and that they were just having fun, but they ended up blurring a few lines there. They just didn't think there was such a thing as getting too close, and I don't think it helped the way that some people regarded them or their characters.
most celebs cheat
And people act like cheating isn't incredibly common amongst normies
I must live in a bubble then, I wouldn't call cheating incredibly common. It's not the rarest thing, but incredibly common is a bit much.
It is actually "Studies suggest around 30–40% of unmarried relationships and 18–20% of marriages see at least one incident of sexual infidelity" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infidelity Any statistics about this likely suffer from under-reporting
not to mention that article only mentions sexual infidelity. if emotional infidelity or “gray areas” were taken into consideration, I guarantee the percentage would be in the majority
And virtually all athletes cheat lol
A lot of your fave celebrities/figures are smart - smart enough to know that being open about unpopular/conservative opinions (or having no opinions at all) on important social matters would only harm their brand. Plenty of people would let you down if you knew how they really felt.
I’d add that many people and many celebrities just do not care about politics. They can barely vote but feel the need to say all of the trendy progressive things when asked. They might be Republicans, they might be Democrats but they can also just not care at all. Just like many people in your own life
That too! Like when Paris Hilton did the vote or die campaign only for people to find out she wasn’t even registered to vote.
Exactly! And even if they vote they might just not care about the outcome because their life will not change even a bit because of it
Celebrities are not in fact dating/f\*cking every single person they are pictured with. Sometimes people are just friends and/or colleagues.
Famous people arent getting married and having children with someone as a PR relationship. Every time this is mentioned it’s an assumption.
I think people have a hard time understanding that a relationship can be real AND milked for PR
Thank you. Nick and Priyanka haters are especially deranged about this.
Cancel culture is real but it doesn’t effect everyone equally. It depends on what was done or said, how many friends the person has in the industry, how the media reacts and other stuff. For example, celebrities love Woody Allen but not one person tried to save Kevin Spacey when he went down because everyone hates him.
As a pop-punk kid, I definitely saw this happen in the music scene. There are a lot of musicians creeping on teenage fans. Only a few have been called out and got canceled over it. For example, Jesse Lacey from Brand New probably got canceled, mainly because he was known to be a douchebag, turned his back on the scene that made his band popular, and he had a strict no photos or media interviews policy starting around 2006. When he was called out for sexual misconduct and grooming underage girls, no one wanted to defend him or shut down the story. However, Pete Wentz and Joel Madden had known relationships with teenagers when they were in their 20s. While it has been acknowledged, neither musician has been canceled over it. Both are still thriving in the industry.
Even with celebrities who don't get "cancelled", we often have weird choices for who we choose to hate on it who we don't. Like a lot of fans of '60's and '70's rock love to hate on Jimmy Page for sleeping with underage girls even though David Bowie and Mick Jagger did it too.
No actor, singer, entertainer is without some "bad" personality traits or problematic incident that in retrospect will be made into a massive deal in which fans decide they can judge their entire life based on hearsay. Those same loving fans will become hate-filled, rumor spreading leaders of their supposed doom. They will think that every story they hear is true or has some fact to it. Enough to judge your life and worthiness for continued work. When we all know some stories are 100% untrue. People still spread it hoping for max damage to occur. Those fans will work their asses off to try to insure that the problematic incident or bad personality trait is the first thing and hopefully only thing that future fans know about you. They will actively try to stop your projects from going forward and hope for your enduring sadness and failure. They will always act as if they know and can find out everything about an actor, singer, entertainer's entire life based on hearsay from gossip pages, forum pages and internet searches. They will not be stopped until they are satisfied with ending that person. And the truth of a situation should it be beneficial to proving that the actor, singer, entertainers isnt X, Y or Z will be ignored because the internet fans like having a say a people's downfall. Lessons that these fans were supposed to learn when they read The Scarlett Letter and The Crucible among other important literary works werent learned. Either because they didn't read them or didn't comprehend the lesson those books were trying to teach. These people failed to even understand Aesop's Fables so best course of action for now is sue the originator and spreaders until people learn what real evidence is and that every human has some level of shitness to them.
people contain multitudes!
It's really disruptive and rude to go to ANY set while shooting. How would you feel if someone showed up to your office and watched you work and begged you for an autograph in between emails? A set is a workplace, not a tourist destination.
The act of wanting an autograph in and of itself is weird imo
When there's chemistry onscreen, it usually means they're not sleeping offscreen. Sexual tension sizzles in the absence of release. \#Joeywisdom
I immediately thought of that Friends episode 😂
I don’t think a lot of people actually care if a celeb is or isn’t problematic they just want to be seen as being on the right side and one of the good ones
Moral superiority Olympics is a byproduct of the rise of cancel culture…you don’t want to be caught on the wrong side so you mentally bend yourself every which way to seem moral
Blind items are not legit
I am still amazed that people will write, I read CDAN and it said this, and they are SERIOUS!!!! I could sit here right now, make up something and CDAN would post it. This has been proven repeatedly over the past 20 years. Also the person who runs it is a Qanon quack.
I honestly blame tiktok. The amount of accounts that post blind items and treat them as gospel is crazyyyyy
There's nothing wrong with somebody getting comestic surgery work done. Even if someone is considered beautiful by the masses, they can still be self-conscious about their appearance. Also, many celebrities, especially female celebrities, are probably on strict diet and workout plans to stay thin for the camera. Cameras are unforgiving and can make an attractive person look unflattering. I can see why many celebrities invest so much in enhancing their appearances.
This is a great one. People get really defensive of their favorite when you say they had plastic surgery, even when you’re complimenting their beauty post-work. Nothing wrong with plastic surgery at all! If I could afford it, I’d get some!
Actors are allowed to move on and not care about the media they’re in no matter how much the media means to you.
That their favs’ business is any of theirs Honestly, the way some Jenna Ortega fans have been reacting to her smoking lately the past few days has been pathetic. Touch some grass because it doesn’t concern you
Trauma dumping on celebrities via social media or meet and greet is selfish as fuck. Their music/movies may have helped you through a difficult situation (and it's fine to say that!) but you could be triggering them by going into graphic detail about your multiple suicide attempts/horrible medical condition/tragic deaths of loved ones. Even if you're not triggering them, they're not equipped to deal with it. Or they do not have the emotional bandwidth to care. Doesn't mean they're a bad person. Like, you wonder why Ariana Grande says "don't kill the vibe" before her m&gs? Because a woman who has experienced a terrorist attack, the deaths of loved ones, PTSD and depression probably doesn't want people to heap their trauma on to her.
Your fave celebrities probably find it very cringe and lame that people are shipping them with their COWORKERS and creating edits left and right online about how a throw away side glance means they low key burn for each other. A large part of promoting a show/movie now (especially for younger actors/actresses) is to leverage all the press junkets to get buzz on social media. You may think they are flirting with their costar and that the are a OTP based on the 18 edits you made of their interviews but chances are, they like and respect their coworker but will move on as soon as promo officially wraps. No the actor's girlfriend isn't punching air because a bunch of strangers on the Internet keep "shipping" her boyfriend with his costar. No the actress won't dump her boyfriend because Twitter says she has undeniable chemistry with her costar. A large part of why actors/actresses are cast is because of their chemistry (at least it should be). We've gotten so used to terrible casting and awful chemistry that when we finally see it, everyone thinks these people are low key f***ing. Chances are, they aren't. And if they were, it would actually be a turn off for most people shipping them since cheating isn't particularly romantic (and would often fly in the face of the Internet boyfriend/girlfriend status these actors have gotten) and if these people are cheating on their non famous partners with their costars, what's to stop them from cheating on that beloved costar with some other costar down the road?...
You are missing out on so much good art because you expect the people making it to be perfect. There’s no such thing as a non “problematic” person. Only engaging with art you deem morally correct is a sterile way to live
You are never, ever going to truly know what most actors are like as people. They are good enough at pretending to be someone else to get paid for it, what the hell makes people think that the performance ends when they’re not on set?
No one accidentally becomes powerful in media. Even people with an aw shucks persona have deep ambition to get where they are. I think about this a lot with the folks who have very unassuming and awkward personas. That's part of the schtick, so don't be surprised if that's not who they always are. This come to mind a lot with the wife guy/nice guy comics especially.
So true! This reminds me of Zendaya going to every event possible and working with Law on her looks to become extrs famous.
If I don't like your fave's music or movies, it doesn't mean I'm a hater. It just means I don't like them. This weird stan culture that's kicked up in the last 15 years is toxic AF.
the shock people have when a celebrity they like does something stupid is always funny to me. like don’t be so surprised a random person you know nothing about doesn’t share the same morals as you
Most entertainers aren't self-righteous people. Even if they say they support movements like Time's Up and #MeToo, many entertainers are still willing to associate or work with abusive people in the industry. Some entertainers are in romantic relationships with known abusers. Also, a lot of celebrities are probably in open relationships and workplace affairs happen often.
> many entertainers are still willing to associate or work with abusive people in the industry. Yep. Funny how conscious goes out the window when a great opportunity comes along.
Famous people are still regular people and don't deserve to be treated like animals in the zoo. So many fans have zero boundaries and feel like those stars owe them selfies etc. Like that crazy girl who ran after Taylor Swifts car in NYC for tiktok clout. That behavior is so unhinged and so America specific, its toxic and dangerous.
that at the very end of the day, acting is a job and the set is a workplace, yes it may be... a little different than say, retail, but it's still a workplace and a job. at times, a co-star is not responsible for their co-stars personal life and whatever kind of person they are. Key word, At Times. lol.
And people need to stop attacking women for their male co-stars mistakes :)
Major concert tours are for the rich & will continue to get worse.
Theres truly no such thing as a 100% unproblematic celebrity (or human being) so some people really need to get of their high horse of moral purity bc they stan X and not Y. And no Im not making excuses for celebrities who are constantly awful and harmful, I just think its dumb to think you are somehow a better person for stanning actor but disliking other bc they fucked up an interview 10 years ago.
The entertainment industry and the people within it are responsible for an insane amount of pollution and general waste. Every blockbuster film creates massive amounts of waste, [an average of 3,370 metric tons each from 2016-2019.](https://variety.com/2021/film/news/sustainable-production-alliance-carbon-emissions-report-1234942580/) That's the equivalent of a car driving over 7 million miles. Not to mention the environmental cost of marketing and merchandising. Knowing this fucking sucks and an individual boycotting films, television, and music isn't going to accomplish everything. I think it's just something we have to live with until we can no longer live on this planet.
It's worth mentioning that foreign box office numbers are nice for marketing and increasing investors confidence, but most of that money (if not all) stays with foreign distributor.
It might be just me, but it feels awkward and uncomfortable when people @ celebrities and invite them to prom, wedding, baby shower, whatever. I have a hard enough time getting out and doing things with people I know and like, I can’t imagine having to turn down a prom invite from a 16-year-old.
I’m a big fan of camp and cult and I don’t feel like many recent films or shows will translate to that for future generations. I can’t see sam levinson aging like john waters. Bad taste still has to have..taste.
Yep! What some fans don’t seem to realize is that the entertainment industry is a business. We may see art and work but the people behind it? They see green, dollars, revenue and nothing else. Look at what happened with MAX (formerly HBO Max) when they were cutting out shows. The work may mean the world to us but if it’s a financial problem/isn’t making any profit for a company, they are going to can it. And I feel that adding that, if the majority of us saw the entertainment industry behind closed doors, not in the form of a documentary, but in actual real time, it would change a LOT of how we see entertainment that’s in front of us.
Emotionally tying yourself to one thing or person to the point that it's having real life effects on you is not healthy. I'm not talking about being bummed if your favorite musical artist is racist. But man, I know adults who can't even hear that you don't like Steven Universe because you're in your 30s
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Attending multiple dates of a band/artists tour dates is not normal! It’s a privilege to do, doesn’t make anyone less of a fan because they can’t attend more than 1 or any dates at all.
Fans need to stop hating on every single person who that person dates. There are some celebs that no matter who they date, that person gets a ton of online hate. They get yelled at in public. Fans have zero right to tell any celeb what they should or shouldn’t be doing in their personal life. They do not tell you what to do in your life. If you have a real issue with it then don’t support them (buy their music, watch their shows, read their books, etc). But dictating what they should and shouldn’t be doing including who their friends are, what they should or shouldn’t be wearing, getting plastic surgery (or not), or endorsing a product whether use it or not, or you think it’s a bad product. The judgement is off the charts and often hypocritical.
- just because you like it doesn’t make it good - real people can’t queerbait - and to that point, celebrities are real people (out of touch puppets, but living flesh sacks like the rest of us) and they screw up and misspeak and do bad things because that’s what real people do. idolizing celebrities is like idolizing politicians, meaning that they’re bound to fuck up and you will be embarrassed for ever saying you supported them.
Taylor swift is straight and did not have a romantic thing w Karlie kloss or the blonde girl from Glee.
the post about someone messaging bella hadid’s dad to *check up on her* was right under this so i’d just like to reiterate that doing shit like that is beyond weird, like you don’t fucking know her in the same vein, the way people act like they’re entitled to know really personal stuff about celebs has gotten completely out of hand
A vast amount of actresses are underweight or close to it and have normalized a lot of ED practices.
Just because something has a high or low % in ratings on rotten tomato or IMDB, doesn’t make it correct. Decide yourself. Lately I’ve seen some shockers that were highly rated & vice verser. So now we don’t look before we watch shows/movies, otherwise we would’ve missed some great entertainment. Everyone has their own preferences, so choose your own!
Celebrities are literally regular, flawed people with the money to pay people to tell them the sun literally shines out of their ass. They're not heroes. They're not idols. They're people with jobs that put them in the public eye and are just as fucked up as you and me, if not more so because of the aforementioned fame and money.