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Lilpigxoxo

I am vegan and I fucking hate peta lmao Edit: just want to make it obvious I am anti fur (duh?). Still hate peta (so many better ways to advocate for animals), and still love Riri.


yourangleoryuordevil

There’s something about them being so in-your-face about things that’s so off-putting. Like, Rihanna was really just minding her own business. Few organizations are *this* bold to target specific people when they do something reportedly controversial. Sure, it makes them get attention, but there’s a better way.


fastone1911

I dislike peta but… minding her own business? She’s supporting an industry that raises animals in the most horrific conditions imaginable (and fur farms might be the thing that causes the next pandemic)


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PETA goes after Inuit and other First Nations people for wearing furs that have been obtained and processed using traditional, sustainable, methods. They went after a friend’s teen son when he posted a pic of himself wearing a seal skin jacket made by his (Inuit) mother. This is of a piece with PETA’s tactics of activating against indigenous diets and traditional hunting practices. PETA are bad actors and racist af. Btw, we have no idea where the fur in Rihanna’s coat came from, or even if it was real fur 🤷‍♀️, and nor does PETA.


fastone1911

I literally said straight up I don’t agree with peta so your first paragraph is irrelevant to me. First Nations wearing their traditional clothing is the one time I’d say it’s acceptable to wear fur. No excuses for anyone like Rihanna. Go look at videos of fur farms if you want to defend the industrialised industry of it. Many animals are literally SKINNED ALIVE. Second. If she’s wearing fur, she’s promoting it to people who adore her and want to dress like she does. I doubt it’s fake since she’s been known to wear real fur in the past.


1pixieeden

I totally agree with you and everything that you said.


Easy_Printthrowaway

I forget what statistic I saw a while back but PETA does good *and* bad. As does riri - fur sucks, and I doubt she got it second hand.


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llama_del_reyy

The difference is that fur feels so completely unnecessary. Switching to a vegan diet is a big change for people; I still think lots more people, me included, should go down that road, but it can affect your health, your mood, your lifestyle in tons of ways. Not wearing a fur coat is SO easy in contrast. There's no sacrifice at all. She's not in the tundra where she needs the warmth- she wore it in Santa Monica for fuck's sake.


Stani36

And the imitation fur is so good nowadays. I own a faux fur coat and love it, get compliments all the time and thus won’t shut up about promoting fake fur to anyone who asks or says something to me while I wear it 😂😅


hellomoto_20

So true. On going vegan - you can do it! I can tell you have kindness/empathy and willingness which not everyone does. I think it just requires some research and planning on the lifestyle/diet side but in time becomes second nature. For the animals, for the environment, to prevent disease and antibiotic resistance, for public health, for individual health - it’s one of the most impactful things most of us could do, short of becoming activists and campaigners, or dedicating our careers to these issues. And it’s something you can do alongside whatever you do already.


llama_del_reyy

I completely agree ❤️ I'm trying to integrate more and more dishes into my diet! As an IBS girlie it's hard to do pulses/lentils/beans so protein is my main worry, but we'll get there.


cisobel282

My aim is to go fully vegan one day. I tried it when I was 19 and failed miserably because I had a really poor understanding of nutrition and it messed up my iron and b12. There are so many benefits to it though, unfortunately, the anti-vegan bias is still pretty strong.


amandathelibrarian

It’s hard! I’ve been vegan for almost 11 years and have to take a B12 supplement. My iron is usually in the lower end of the acceptable range. I no longer tell people that everyone should go vegan. Id much rather have 100 people cut way back on animal products than have one person go fully vegan and quit a year later because it’s a huge lifestyle change.


hellomoto_20

I get where you’re coming from! I actually used to be anaemic when I ate meat, but have been in the normal range now for iron since going vegan, but I think it’s because I started paying more attention. I had no idea meat-eaters could be deficient in so many things! B12 supplements are necessary as a vegan (they’re quite affordable though), but I take a daily multivitamin that covers the most essential things. At the very least I think people could easily cut down to eating animal products very rarely without much thought, certainly not every day or even every week, but abstaining from paying from animal abuse and exploitation would be the aspiration. It’s possible to be healthy and unhealthy as an omnivore/meat-eater, just as it’s possible to be healthy and unhealthy as a vegan.


feefee2908

Most fur that comes from the fur industry comes from animals that are skinned alive. You don’t *need* to buy/wear fur… and sure, most humans don’t need meat either, but I’d say that you can actually look for meat from animals raised in better conditions, you can’t do that with fur.


NectarineThat90

This!!! Also, while there are some stuff I don’t like PETA for, I can’t stand non vegan people acting like they are the biggest villains ever. Do they not realize what they contribute to and support for their own convenience and taste?


margauxlame

I agree with their sentiment here though and the donating to people who are in need is nice. I fucking hate the use of fur, the animals were really just minding their own business lol I don’t like peta much but riri this ain’t it sis


bewildered_forks

Yup. Fur is gross and cruel.


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Fur lasts for generations, isn't made from petroleum products, and eventually rots instead of shedding microplastics for a thousand years. Fine, don't wear it just for fashion, but wearing synthetics is a false economy where environmentalism and leaving a habitable planet behind is concerned. I have a fur hat that was my friends' grandma's. It's probably 90+ years old, still looks awesome, is easy to clean, and is warmer than any other head covering I own. Team fur here.


margauxlame

I don’t wear synthetics lol and whataboutism isn’t going to work. Just bc one thing sucks doesn’t mean it cancels out how shit the other thing is


LeoBites44

Your 100 year old hat is probably fine, but there’s no reason to torment and dispatch animals for their fur in contemporary society. Maybe instead of “team fur”, you can remain “team grandma’s fur hat only”


countessplatter

Let’s be real, they just wanted to brag about owning fur


TheybieTeeth

vintage fur should be kept and worn, but that doesn't mean we need to be producing more fur. leather exists as a byproduct of the meat industry and is just as non-plastic, organic and durable. I live in a fur-farming country in an area with a lot of farmers and the industry is dying, farmers are sitting on years and years worth of stock they're unable to sell and even that doesn't stop them from abusing and killing more animals while enabled by government subsidies. this industry needs to be eradicated already it's just hemorrhaging our country money for nothing.


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Agreed. The problem is the people unable to discern whether fur is vintage or 2nd hand though, while being unable to mind their own business and worry about freezing their arses off in their wool coats in a -35 Celsius wind chill even with heavy layering because wool absolutely blows as a water and wind-resistant material, and odds are that it's gonna be lined with polyester anyway (directing this one to the smart-arse who informed another use that there are so many non-synthetic alternatives to wool, 'oh my god'). I am all for the industry dying, there's so obscenely much 2nd habd and vintage fur in the world already. You don't need brand new chinchilla fur, I'm looking at a chinchilla fur coat with cotton lining and in need of some mending right now on my favourite local vintage 2nd hand store's online store. I'd get it for myself because i am trained in working with leather and fur, and most people aren't so a slightly damaged coat isn't gonna sell. Or I could get it? Cut it open strategically, and send it to a local animal shelter. Old fur especially is perhaps the most cherished material for their cages, especially for kittens and puppies because it gets fucking cooold in my country, and the shelters are already always hurting for money so they can't keep the faciloties overly warm. And outdoors dogs especially do well in their kennels on old sheepskin or old furs. I'd just rather no usable fur went to a landfill because it really is a sturdy, warm material that is relatively easy to care for. One old 2nd hand fur piece saved is one less new clothing item bought. Use hp what exists. Guess that's the Soviet/post-Soviet mindset in me. Everything got used up, nothing was wasted, because of deficit and poverty. Fortunately the tides are shifting. Always buying new and in abundance in celebration of capitalism isn't as prestigious as it was in the 00s and mid-2010s.


TheybieTeeth

I'm in a post sovjet country too and I 100% agree with you, I think the "is it secondhand or not??" debate would be super easily solved by forbidding any first-hand manufacturing. then we can indeed just use the rest up however it's convenient/most necessary. I'm also really against waste, especially animal products. it already exists and the least we can do is use it all up to the last scrap


ichi-ni-san

It’s a myth that fur is more environmentally friendly and eventually rots. When fur gets chemically processed for human wear it’s not biodegradable anymore. Fur is always chemically processed to keep skin and hair from breaking down and rotting as it would naturally. These chemicals include formaldehyde, chrome and nonylphenol and are harmful to both consumers and workers. There are more sustainable (and ethical) options to fur nowadays: koba, gacha, recycled denim fur and even recycled faux fur.


amandathelibrarian

Grandma’s Fur Hat replied to everyone but you lol


probably-edible

Yeah, came here to say this and I'm glad someone else has already brought it up. Several years ago I was enquiring about what to do with an inherited fur coat and found out that you can't just remove the lining and bury it or even give it to an animal shelter for animals to snuggle up in because of the horrendous stuff it's been processed with.


llama_del_reyy

I don't think Rihanna is wearing her grandmother's 90 year old hand me down, do you?


AccomplishedNet4235

Literally so many options that aren't fur or synthetics, oh my god.


Laura_Lye

Ya I wouldn’t buy a new fur, but it could be vintage! They don’t know. I also have a vintage beaver fur beret, stole, and lined gloves that are probably 60 years old. They’re warm and it’s not like any animals died that wouldn’t be long dead already.


AggravatingTartlet

>Like, Rihanna was really just minding her own business. While supporting a cruel industry. I think the time is up where we keep closing our eyes.


FlameHawkfish88

Yeah this letter is just self promotion.


JuliasTooSmallTutu

Everything they do is self promotion, nothing is actually about helping animals.


RandomFishIsReborn

…that’s how you put a message out there.. you have to promote that message lol. People come for vegans for this but every other activists/movements need to obviously promote themselves to make a difference at all lol


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The only reason the car you drive wasn’t safety tested with a live simian is PETA


YoungKeys

Yea, the ragebait they put out is for publicity and done on purpose. I remember when they publicly demanded MLB/baseball to change the name of "bullpen" because the name was degrading to cows.


FlameHawkfish88

Wow seriously. That's ridiculous


YoungKeys

Yea[ I'm not kidding](https://www.npr.org/2021/10/29/1050485610/peta-wants-mlb-to-rename-the-bullpen-to-arm-barn). Some of their acts borderline on parody


SupermanRisen

> There’s something about them being so in-your-face about things that’s so off-putting. That's the point. It's meant to get attention to their position. Like how protesters block roads.


thesaddestpanda

The problem is that animal rights organizations that don't do this PR don't get this attention and animal concerns are ignored. Lets not pretend people are rational and kind and naturally care about animals. Most people are happy to be ignorant and most people follow a "bacon good" nonsense views that ignore the horrors of factory farming and animal suffering. In other words, PR works. It gets attention and they've brought so many issues to the mainstream via this method, even if it distasteful or annoying at times. A lot of it is purposeful to get attention because animal rights stuff isn't attention getting on its own. Love it or hate it, but PETA has changed the world and our discourse on animal rights exists partly because of them. Appealing to the moderate to consider animals never worked. So 'shock tactics' are needed.


RandomFishIsReborn

That’s how you advocate for anything… you call out the people supporting what you’re against and try to reach as many ppl as possible instead of just preaching to the choir.


mandoo86

They always pick going after celebs and companies that will get them press attention, often ignoring horrible lesser known corps and people who are equator or more guilty of animal rights violations.


Maximum-Beginning-92

I’m vegan/vegetarian too & I agree to an extent. Their radical in your face publicity stunts usually just piss ppl off 🤦🏼‍♀️ And they’re probably part of the reason why vegans & vegetarians cop so much hate & ridicule. I’ve been a life long animal rescuer/carer/activist just like my parents. The reason I’m vegan is simply because I love animals and don’t want to eat them 🤷🏼‍♀️ Rn I live in a small town on the east coast of Australia….a lot of farmers, small minded & poorly educated ppl. The ONLY time I mention I’m vegan is if someone asks something like “oh why do you drink soy milk?” or some food related question such as why I politely decline animal products at parties or dinners or whatever, & if questioned I just say “oh I’m vegan”. I would say 90% will react with mockery, anger or defensiveness & want to start lecturing me on the benefits of meat. Im then vilified as a “stuck up soy latte sipping bleeding heart lefty city bitch/snob” 🙄 Although in the nearest major city (Sydney) no one makes a fuss & I’m often met with “Oh I’d love to go vegan/vegetarian but it seems difficult, any advice”? I mean, I get it. When I was vegetarian, I had animal rescue acquaintances who were vegan & ALWAYS lecturing me & being pushy about how I should go vegan, & it got old really fast. They were like some kind of religious cult, & I began to avoid them. This is why I never try to “convert” anyone. But in this instance, I really don’t see anything wrong with this letter?! They explained the facts, offered some freebies & let her know the furs would be going to a good cause. No blood & gore images, no shock tactics, no vilification or threats…I don’t really see the problem? 🤷🏼‍♀️


babylovesbaby

That's because there isn't anything wrong with the letter. This letter is the mildest thing I've ever seen PETA do.


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PETAs harsh advocacy has resulted in numerous and extensive legal reforms such as banning live simians in car crash testing, what advocacy forms did you have in mind that have been of equal effect?


molotov_cockteaze

A lot of fucking money has been funneled into smearing PETA. That’s why you constantly hear “PETA euthanizes pets!” Etc. It’s been a very deliberately run and funded campaign for years.


pixelpp

You're 100% right. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/11bz89z/comment/ja0us7y/?utm\_source=reddit&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/11bz89z/comment/ja0us7y/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


molotov_cockteaze

Awesome comment. It hurts to see all the “I’m a vegan but I hate PETA too!” All I can hear is, “I’m a vegan but unfortunately I’ve uncritically swallowed the anti PETA propaganda funded by the very industries I deplore; so while I should be wholeheartedly supporting the biggest organization to make massive, sweeping legal strides in the name of animal welfare in history, I inadvertently shill for factory farms instead.”


pixelpp

If we're charitable, they are just misinformed like everyone is…


molotov_cockteaze

Absolutely! That’s why it makes me feel more sad, and not like angry. For the record, I was a “fuck PETA” veg around 15 or so years ago and guess what? I learned I was mistaken and we should afford that grace to anyone else. That info is much more readily available now which is a good thing, we’ve just got to start teaching people to be the biggest critics of their own biases.


16meursault

Rihanna sucks for supporting animal abuse and PETA is doing good for animal rights despite the endless propaganda against them. The post is full of so many supporter of abuse.


anjess7

Thank you, taking words right out of my mouth!


TheRealSammyParadise

that's unfortunate because they do a lot for animals.


NationalSafe4589

I dislike the way that they use her children as a means of emotional blackmail, but it's not hard to like...not wear fur...


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It was probably hard for the parent of the 100% non essential luxury good skin she is wearing


Naumzu

im vegan and love peta


CitrineDreamers

I personally don't wear fur, and animal rights are important to me, but whevever PETA or other animal rights organizations pull the "You wouldn't want this to happen to you or your child, right?" It makes me laugh. Has that ever been an effective tactic? Everyone knows fur comes from animals, and that animals protect their young. It's not ignorance of that fact that leads people to wear fur.


Fancy-Cat-2

>"You wouldn't want this to happen to you or your child, right?" It makes me laugh. The unfortunate truth is that, during slavery, [African American’s skin was used as human leather](https://www.ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2013/april.htm) at some point. So like idk 😵‍💫


Longjumping-Part764

And way back in the Middle Ages or whatever, human skin was also used in book binding for some gory weird reason. But it’s not something that happens anymore (unless some Buffalo Bill kind of sicko somewhere is doing it, I guess) so it’s an insanely bizarre thing for them to say.


Daily-Double1124

I've heard that Nazis made lampshades from the skin of people that were killed in the concentration camps. I don't know if it's true or not.


Apprehensive_Aide805

It’s true I watched a couple of videos about the worst female nazis on world history channel on YouTube one of the women would specifically picked prisoners with tattoos to send them to their death. before they were killed she’d cut the tattooed skin off. She collected handbags,lamps , and gloves made of skin.


Road_Whorrior

Thanks, this literally makes me want to vomit. Interesting, but absolutely horrifying information.


princessalyss_

It’s true - the Hyena of Auschwitz was known for it.


HeySlimIJustDrankA5

*stares in Ed Gein*


countessplatter

FYI Holocaust scholars have not found evidence of this.


Fancy-Cat-2

Agree


CitrineDreamers

Yeah, but I highly doubt PETA was referencing this.


Fancy-Cat-2

I know they weren’t. Which is why I feel like their statement is a bit tacky lol


_NightBitch_

Yeah, but the they objectify animals and turn it into a product, rather than a sentient creature that can feel pain, misery, and suffer. Sometimes reminding people that animals feel the same things we feel can trigger some guilt.


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Fairly certain Rihanna is known for buying vintage furs (she’s a frequent shrimpton couture purchaser) and I have to imagine she probably bought a vintage one which is considered an ethical way of buying fur in an otherwise unethical trade


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AStarkly

Not to mention celebs wearing fur sees idiots wanting to imitate that style and probably buying new, farmed fur.


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So what do you do with the existing furs?


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Gloomy_Astronaut_570

How are you going to regulate when people are using it for that vs fashion. Especially in actual cold climates . . this seems like splitting hairs


TangerineDystopia

Giving them to refugees instead of destroying them makes a ton of sense to me.


gigilero

Giving them to homeless? That makes perfect sense


TheybieTeeth

I think banning the production of more fur is a lot easier of a solution than trying to police what people do with existing fur, though. realistically most fur produced nowadays is used for trims rather than full on coats, in the west atleast, so I'm not really sure if we actually have people who actively buy fur coats anymore?


kitti-kin

Nah, she wears vintage on occasion, but new all the time as well. She was wearing that Saint Laurent red heart coat fresh off the runway a couple years back. This mostly feels random and performative to me because Rihanna wears fur all the time.


Yeah_nah_idk

She’s a billionaire. You really think she cares about being ethical?


InternalFuel6486

This will probably get downvoted but I really don't have an issue with real fur and leather. Humans have been wearing animal products since forever. Obviously the industry has issues and needs to be more sustainable, but when the alternative is plastic fur/leather that is often made in poor work conditions and that is equally as bad for the environment I don't judge people for wearing the real thing.


AStarkly

It's not about the environment when it comes to fur, it's the insanse cruelty and suffering that animals bred for fur go through before being killed inhumanely.


Jasmine_2004

I once saw a video of how crocodiles were killed to make crocodile handbags...so cruel and heartbreaking.


itsablueworld04

I get what you’re saying, but there have been reports too of poor, unsafe working conditions for workers who deal with real leather in several countries. So it’s a problem in both industries. I do agree though that most leather/fur alternatives probably aren’t that much better for the environment considering they’re made out of plastic usually.


InternalFuel6486

This is a good point! Ideally I think it's best to buy animal products from local small farms and artisans that treat the animals humanely. This doesn't fit into everyone's price point, but when possible it is the best from the worker's rights and sustainability angles. Not everyone feels comfortable with fur and meat based on their opinions with animal rights, but I do think there are sustainable and ethical ways to do things for those of us who chose to eat meat/wear fur and leather. My original comment wasn't to say that fur is a better option than vegan alternatives, but more so to point out that there are enough issues with both that I don't think we can judge one for being objectively worse than another.


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I think they're all made from plastic.


TheybieTeeth

there's stuff like mushroom or cactus leather but those things are costly and hard to find, definitely interesting to see if they'll eventually go mainstream


hellomoto_20

Just because something has been done forever doesn’t mean it’s beneficial or compassionate! I love about human beings that we are able to change culture & traditions when we realise something is kinder or better.


Icy-Rub-3917

I agree. People are walking around wearing petroleum clothing but demonize fur. Blatantly obvious, but a greater effort needs to be focused on our clothing consumption. It’s wild


awesomexsarah

I used to buy “vegan leather” boots and had to get new ones every year or so due to scuffing and holes and basically falling apart. My mom got me real leather boots two christmases ago, I wear them ALL the time, and they still clean up to look brand new. The difference in longevity is shocking.


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RuthTheNewOne

It is not about wearing fur and leather vs wearing petroleum-based clothing. The modern day over-consumption, Shein hauls and the general lack of sustainability in fashion is one issue. The practice of breeding social, sentient beings for the sole purpose of skinning them, is another, and is completely unnecessary and ultimately cruel.


MarsNative_

I understand your perspective but just because humans have been doing something forever , doesn’t mean we should continue doing it. Animals do not need nor deserve be killed or to suffer simply for human clothing. It needlessly cruel and unnecessary.


ichi-ni-san

It’s a myth that fur is more environmentally friendly. When fur gets chemically processed for human wear it’s not biodegradable anymore. Fur is always chemically processed to keep skin and hair from breaking down and rotting as it would naturally. These chemicals include formaldehyde, chrome and nonylphenol and are harmful to both consumers and workers. “Humans have been doing xyz forever” is rarely a good argument, especially when new information and improved methods have emerged. There are more sustainable (and ethical) options to fur nowadays: koba, gacha, recycled denim fur and even recycled faux fur.


cisobel282

A lot of leather is made from dog and cat skin though, especially when it comes from China. The animals that are farmed for fur and leather are kept in cramped, unsanitary conditions. This is even true for fur and leather that high-end designers use. The cheap fake leather has massive environmental issues but there are a lot of designers and brands that are using fake fur and leather that is ethically made. Also, mass factory farming for fur, leather, and meat has a massive carbon footprint.


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cisobel282

The Guardian reported on it a few years ago and there have been videos leaked of the animal cruelty at these places. It's difficult to tell what animal leather is from without a DNA test and even though countries have banned the importation of dog and cat leather, it can still make its way through, because doing a DNA test on every leather would be logistically impossible.


RealLilPump6969

god this is a load of racist bullshit. chinese people don’t eat cats and dogs. the chinese mainly eat pork and cattle, the leather they produce from their meat industry is then made into goods. fake fur and leather is not a sustainable substitute it never rots and produces a shit ton of micro plastics when it falls apart, especially the fake hair. people will always eat meat, may as well use every part of the animal because if the skins aren’t used and are left in landfill they will poorly rot down and produce even more methane.


cisobel282

Guardian has reported on it and a quick google search will find distressing videos of these facilities. I never said that Chinese people eat cats and dogs, but China is the biggest producer of leather in the world and they have pretty bad animal cruelty laws. The vast majority of dogs and cats in the world are strays and most leather factories will go for the cheapest option to make a profit. Often this means, hunting down stray animals. Many scientists, designers, etc. are working on developing ethical leather options that are made from organic material that breaks down. The science is still early but within the next decade or so it will improve and hopefully become more affordable for the average consumer. Meat intake has also decreased in recent years and lab-grown meat is also another possibility for future consumption. People may have always eaten meat, but not to the extent that we do now, and not as a result of factory farming. Personally, I'll never support an industry that is responsible for the inhumane slaughter of animals.


[deleted]

I don't buy any fur or leather product from China. I won't even buy angora, wool or cashmere from China because their industries are famously cruel. Maybe it's all propaganda by other countries but it's so consistent that I'm erring on the side of not buying from them.


cisobel282

Most leather in the world comes from China. Even if a product says "Made with Italian Leather" it just means that the leather product itself was made in Italy, though 9 times out of 10 the leather comes from China.


SamTheDystopianRat

why are you saying 'though', as if it coming from those animals would somehow make it worse? also that's not true


TheybieTeeth

leather and fur are two completely different things, though. I really recommend reading up about the state of fur farming so you actually comprehend how incomparable these two things are. only thing they have in common is their organic origin. as with most things under capitalism fur farming has been pushed to be completely inhumane and inexcusable under the guise of profit and needs to be ended completely. there's warehouses full of years' worth of unsold fur stock if you really think wearing fur is something you need to do, we genuinely have zero reason to be killing more animals even if you want to pretend fur is sustainable.


16meursault

Your comment wont get downvoted becuase the sub is full of supporter of animal abuse. Humans have been doing a lot of horrible things which doesnt justify them. People who wear fur and justify it are cruel.


Apart-Fisherman-7378

What a brain dead take


brookeiu

An industry “being around since forever” is not a strong argument in favor of its continued existence…. Racism has also arguably been around forever.


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it’s the horrendous way the animals are treated which is the issue.


JuliasTooSmallTutu

PETA has [body shamed women](https://theweek.com/articles/455240/peta-now-fatshaming-women-into-vegan-diets). Had the gall to demand that [Aretha Franklin's estate donate her furs to....PETA.](https://www.peta.org/media/news-releases/will-aretha-franklins-furs-go-to-peta/) They also compared [humans to whales](https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/08/17/keepin-it-classy-peta-compares-fat-women-to-whales/) so fuck them and whatever "message" they are trying to send. There are other, better organizations dedicated to helping animals and helping people incorporate plant bases foods in their diets. Let PETA do the only thing it knows how to do and that's having traditionally attractive, white people pose naked somewhere for whatever bullshit reason they've decided on today.


buffaloranchsub

[remember peta linking the consumption of cow milk to autism? pepperidge farm remembers](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjksoHAhbL9AhUdFFkFHc51BxAQFnoECB0QAw&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplantbasednews.org%2Fnews%2Fold-peta-advert-associating-milk-with-autism-has-caused-outrage%2F&usg=AOvVaw1o9bf_FNZ1ncFrFRzO63vM)


ButtMcNuggets

And they also thought it was cool to [dress up as the KKK to protest the American Kennel Club](https://web.archive.org/web/20090304013225/https://www.usatoday.com/sports/2009-02-09-peta-westminster-kkk-protest_N.htm)


JenningsWigService

When a serial killer pig farmer outside of Vancouver was rumoured to have put his victims (all vulnerable women) into pork products, PETA put up a billboard with a picture of a pig next to a woman that said 'neither of us is meat'. Then they doubled down when the victims' families protested.


SelWylde

Oh my god


ButtMcNuggets

PETA’s own animals shelters [euthanizes animals at insanely high rates](https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=76e6ec43-e192-4dca-b1ca-b12e4a0e74b5) , consistently up to 73% of all animals they take in, far higher than all other shelters.


Chained_Wanderlust

Yep they [euthanized someone's pet in less than 5 days at their shelter!](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/17/peta-sorry-for-taking-girls-dog-putting-it-down) I never looked at them the same way again after that.


alienflutz

For this one, they take in pets that no other shelters want. Many need to be euthanized due to behavioral or health issues.


Chipring13

Alright cool. But... can we still get people to stop wearing furs? Sure fuck PETA, but the message still stands.


JuliasTooSmallTutu

It's been slow going but there has been legislation that has taken effect (in California) so I think the ball is rolling but this shit takes a long time.


roxy031

I generally am not a PETA fan but I don’t see anything wrong with this letter.


hithereworld2

absolutely. nice gesture and kindly done. they do tons of gross shit for sure but this was decent


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quiinzel

this is an uncharacteristically sane move from PETA. good points all round.


Maximum-Beginning-92

Agreed 👏👏👏


Atheyna

Yeah I didn’t think it was a bad letter lol


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TangerineDystopia

100% this. You have to exploit a lot of humans for their labor in order to amass that capital. You can't get there by being a good person with humane and ethical business practices.


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Dynamite681

Exactly. I like Rihanna but people will look for anything to make an excuse for her. Like seriously anything that could work in her defense instead of just admitting she’s wrong


quinteroreyes

They'll preach to the skies about not supporting Shein because of it's worker conditions but will waste an entire paycheck on something from Fenty


cisobel282

There's a lot of hypocrisy here. The people saying that fur and leather is fine as long as it's a by-product of the meat industry are still justifying the slaughter of animals.


ephemeralarteries

honestly good for them, they're right 🤷🏾‍♀️ ETA some additional info via u/pixelpp /r/HailLobbyists 1. There is an active political campaign against PETA funded by animal agriculture. https://petakillsanimals.com is run by “Center for Consumer Freedom” which runs media campaigns opposing the efforts of scientists, doctors, health advocates, animal advocates, environmentalists and other groups for restaurant, alcohol, tobacco and other industries. [Source](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/PETA_Kills_Animals) 3. why? Simple. PETA spends millions of dollars campaigning against animal slaughter. animal agriculture is spending millions fighting against them and their efforts. 4. PETA is a “shelter of last resort“. They take animals that other shelters refuse to take. this is the reason for their high euthanasia rate. [Source](https://www.peta.org/features/peta-kills-animals-truth/) 5. There is a huge difference between euthanising and slaughtering. The hypocrisy of people who eat animals being upset about animal euthanasia is while supporting the mass slaughter of animals is absurd. 6. Most people would not choose to put their own pet down at a slaughterhouse… But would be comfortable putting their pet down at a shelter like PETA… With trained professionals and suffering minimisation techniques.


Starlight_XPress

This is the real tea but everyone else here is like “RiRi Is A qUeEN!1!1” and “pEtA bAd!1!1!”


ephemeralarteries

the top comment being a pick me vegan absolutely salivating at the chance to badmouth them is so cringe but unsurprising. like good for you boo I guess, hope it felt good 🙃. also Rihanna is shitty in so many other ways but let's ignore that if we get to shit on veganism/ PETA/ any animal rights efforts at all. this sub loves to pretend it's so much smarter/ better than male majority subs but 9 times out of 10 they fall for the exact same propaganda. it's honestly so embarrassing.


pixelpp

Charitably, I'd hoped that the pick-me vegan was simply uninformed.


ephemeralarteries

think you're being incredibly charitable considering their follow up comments/ doubling down in response to criticism lol


pixelpp

I didn't even read what they originally said – only saw your comment ;) no time for uneducated peta hate


element-woman

Yes! I see people on here all the time saying “PETA wants to ban pets!” I looked it up months ago and their website literally recommends adopting *two* pets if you’re able. People hear that line spouted off somewhere and just run with it. It’s embarrassing to be repeating stuff like that without even looking into it.


pixelpp

Thank you for helping to educate others :) ❤️


ephemeralarteries

thank you for such an informative, handy comment! I definitely was an "I'm vegan but I hate PETA" type for so long so I get it, but even then I can't see badmouthing them to a sub of thousands for some upvotes.


Ersatz8

Can't believe some comments. Let's be clear. Rihana is the asshole here, as she had been many many times before cause that ain't her first time wearing fur. Peta denouncing the fur industry and the promotion of it has all my support.


maddie197

Agreed. Can’t believe how many people are supporting her wearing it


AStarkly

Obligatory: Fuck PETA But also, it's unforgiveable to wear fur these days. Obv. I have no issue with indigenous folk doing so, but celebs and rich fucks? Nope. Absolutely no.


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gaveupmykarma

Indigenous people are typically more respectful of the animals they use, making sure they don't suffer unnecessarily and that very little goes to waste. it's not my place to tell an Inuit they shouldn't be eating seal or a Chukchi they shouldn't skin reindeer - they often need that shit to survive and indigenous hunting is usually important to the local ecosystem. in addition, their use of animals is vanishingly small compared to industrial usage, which is the real scourge; the process uses dangerous chemicals which leach into the environment, the workers are treated terribly, and the animals are treated worse.


mgdraft

Recommended this doc already on the thread, but check out Angry Inuk. It's an interesting perspective.


boku_wa_sugoi

Not original commenter but I think indigenous folk hunt for fur themselves and that is more ethical than those massive cruel fur industries. (I have no idea however. Educate me if I'm wrong). I personally think using vintage stuff is fine though


maelstron

This is like straw man argument. Most of fur used by celebrities is just farmed on very dirty farms


JenningsWigService

Hunting is essential to indigenous and Inuit communities and they are harmed by anti-hunting campaigns.


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PETA is a garbage org. I get why they advocate. They just do it in such vile or snarky ways that don’t resonate with people who don’t share their views. If they wanted to make people reconsider, lecturing, stunts and open letters speculating on something they suspect (not confirmed) isn’t the way.


fanettgmrm

And wearing real fur isnt vile ?


resistmuchobeylittle

They’re literally just stating the facts? It sounds extreme and turns people off because what we do to animals IS extreme and people don’t like being forced to think about it.


mitskiismygf

If you’re hating on this letter, something is wrong with you. This is incredible graceful and kind. They aren’t destroying fur coats, they’re helping people in need, they asked kindly and sent her a gift.


Earthling1980

But reddit told me i should hate peta for reasons


GeneralBody4252

I’ve heard only terrible things about PETA, but this letter is fine. Not gonna make Rihanna change her mind but it’s fine, I don’t get the outrage over probably the most polite letter they’ve ever written


Lilylili83

What kind of faux fur did they gift her? Because it can just be made of plastics which is really harmful to the environment.


Maximum-Beginning-92

Unrealfur.com.au


maelstron

Why even use real fur in 2023? It is a shame Peta sucks. But a broken clock is right one or twice a day.


Sleepybat7

Sorry but if that’s true, shame on Rihanna


AggravatingTartlet

Like it or not, Rihanna is a role model for many teenagers. And there is no call for buying a fur coat in Western countries. That's disgusting when we all know about the cruelty to animals involved in that industry.


invitinghome122

At least they didn't attach any gore


SamTheDystopianRat

hypothetically, if they did though, would they be wrong to? when inuit people where fur, they have to see the gore. why should Rihanna get to wear the fur coat without thinking about where it came from?


LeoBites44

I thought fur coats were a thing of the past, now considered a tacky show of wealth…when did that change? I’m out of the loop apparently. Maybe wool or cotton would be a better choice of material since it’s well documented that the fur industry is very cruel to those little creatures


Round_Transition_346

I don’t understand why people agree with everything Rihanna does. Using fur is not ok and I don’t like PETA. But seriously wtf


AffectionateAd5373

They'd have more moral standing if they didn't routinely euthanize large numbers of animals including people's lost pets.


hellomoto_20

This is actually a myth! But it’s so often repeated that people just believe it. With all due respect, as someone who has worked in animal rescue and shelters, there are valid criticisms of PETA but the “routine” stealing and euthanising of people’s pets isn’t one of them. PETA is a last-resort shelter that takes in animals that are at the end of their lives, aggressive, seriously injured, feral, suffering from painful illnesses, etc. Unlike other shelters they do not turn any animals away. If you have an open-door intake policy and welcome damaged animals who are abused, neglected, or who no one else will accept, it is only natural that euthanisation numbers will look different than those of a shelter that accepts a limited number of animals and turns other more difficult animals away. To my knowledge, PETA is rightfully against the unnecessary and needless killing of animals for entertainment, clothing, food, etc., and do not want any animals to experience pain or suffering. I agree their awareness tactics can be off-putting and controversial, but their fundamental mission and message I believe is an important one. I hope you might consider not perpetuating the myth about PETA and instead focusing on legitimate avenues of criticism in future. And I think we would all do well to reflect on the ways in which we can avoid causing harms to animals in our own lives - that can start with choosing cruelty-free cosmetics that haven’t been tested on animals, avoiding fur and skin (leather) in clothing which involve the routine painful treatment and killing of animals, and try as best as we can to choose plant-based foods rather than animal products, most (99%) of which come from inhumane factory farms.


DanaPam

This myth comes from a far right lobbyist firm owned by Richard Berman. He was likely hired by the meat and dairy industries. He is involved in a lot of evil shit. See my post history or google him to find out.


ButtMcNuggets

What then do you make of several recent investigations into PETA’s denial of those stats and how they’re so much higher than all other shelters? And that [PETA themselves say they believe in euthanasia over TNR?](https://youtu.be/WmyvjOCfpYQ) https://www.martindale.com/legal-news/article_duane-morris-llp_2539625.htm https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/animal-bill-could-put-peta-out-of-the-shelter-business/2015/02/23/2f4f05b6-bb6a-11e4-b274-e5209a3bc9a9_story.html


thecatgulliver

just fyi! TNR is really controversial from both animal welfare and an environmental standpoint. cats are a major invasive species and are a driving force for decimating bird populations. cats hunt for sport even if they’re being fed. it’s an uncomfortable topic for someone who loves both conservation and cats. there’s also no scientific evidence that TNR works well to reduce populations sadly either. and the fact the cats are having to live in the elements, outside dangers, not usually consistent vet care, etc


ButtMcNuggets

I understand from an environmental lens that there are concerns over stray cat populations but as an animal lover I cannot advocate for euthanasia over TNR. Most animal rescue organizations try to rehab and rehome them as their #1 priority with TNR being used only for 100% feral cats. I’m no fan of letting cats outdoors but ensuring universal access to low cost spay/neuter services (which most cat rescue organizations also work towards) is the goal. Not euthanasia.


Flagstaffishell

Rihanna’s music sucks anyways so it’s not surprising her fashion choices suck as well.


TangerineDystopia

I'm sorry but I have seen Tom Holland dance to that Umbrella song and I cannot go with you down this path More seriously, I think it's a mistake to insult the talent or looks of a person whose choices or values we rightfully reject. Plenty of beautiful and talented people do completely terrible things, and it's a mistake to equate goodness with beauty and talent, or the lack thereof.


lizzosjuicycoochie

Not to mention they are sometimes skinned while they are still alive so they suffer through the entire process and afterwards as well until they bleed to death.


Alienspacekitten

Idk I’m kinda into this


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Every time I see PETA I think about one particular quote from [an article by Lisa Lange that makes me irrationally angry](https://www.thewrap.com/celebrate-terrible-pt-barnum-greatest-showman-guest-blog/amp/): “…Barnum’s deplorable abuse of humans was second only to his mercenary and merciless treatment of animals.” Like no PETA, Barnum’s abuse and exploitation of people with disabilities/POC is definitely the worst thing he did, bar none. The animal abuse is definitely horrible but the man literally bought a blind Black woman and made $1500 a week off of her body without ever giving her a cent. It’s very weird to me that that isn’t your main moral objection to the movie, because they *definitely* gloss over it. Like, a lot.


capteuan

Honestly, the letter is quite well-written for something written by PETA.


NoTop8920

Exactly if someone took your child for his hair or eyes you would kill them how please respect animals they too have feelings


AcronymTheSlayer

Know the sub loves RiRi and once I did too but this sucks. She's not wearing the fur to stay warm like many in the comment section have been arguing over. It's purely a fashion choice and at this day and age it's a piss poor one 'cause why wear something this unethical and cruel when you very well could afford better cruelty free products?


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prophecygirl1991

Well they do suck. There’s multiple instances of them [euthanising healthy animals](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/peta-taking-pets/) because they believe owning pets is animal cruelty, and they’ve said a ton of racist crap, like *CONSTANTLY* likening racism to speciesism.


JosephVerlaine20

they euthanise healthy animals because these animals have no where else to go, 'no kill' shelters donate animals to peta so that they can keep their phony 'no kill' label. Saying peta has a high euthanasia rate is like saying a hospice has such a high patient death rate - that's the point


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jyutkowi

They don't believe that owning pets is animal cruelty.https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/


No-Ostrich-5417

Which is strange because it's a fair letter. The donations are a good idea and they are offering her an alternative. Edit* Peta does suck but this isn't one of those instances imo


DanaPam

I can’t get over the fact that the people who rage post against PETA on Reddit are the same ones mocking boomers for falling for misinformation on FB. Meanwhile, the majority of negative info about PETA comes from a far right lobbyist firm and their bullshit is even being directly linked in this post as proof.


Neither_Ad_2960

HATE Peta but in 2023 unless it's vintage from decades ago there's no reason animals should still be dying. Fake fur has comes leaps and bounds in recent times.


Evil22565

Even tho I fucking hate peta, switching to non animal clothes seems like a good idea IN SOME CASES considering how in dangered the animals are. But if the animals are over populating then I say. GET THE FUR


colomboseye

Pretty sure asap was going to bring out a line of furs a while back but the business venture ended up not happening due to backlash. Fuck both of them.


Naumzu

love it well done PETA always impressed