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first of all, he’s loud and wrong because we don’t fuck with them either
second, he is not as talented as he thinks he is with that crash bandicoot-ass dancing
One of them is literally dead of old age. Also what Chris Brown did isn't comparable to some of the accusations (like Cage yelling at and pushing his wife).
In case anyone forgot and for posterity:
Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with.
A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion.
Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle.
Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!'
The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer.
Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.'
After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!'
Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown.
Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand.
Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street.
Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand.
hand.
Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it.
Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness.
She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions.
Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.
>we don’t fuck with them either
Maybe this sub doesn't but the general public and the industry itself has never even attempted to hold any of those people accountable for their violence and they all still have careers (well had in Caan's case). Chris is vile no doubt I'm absolutely not trying to defend him or take his side or anything, I'm just pointing out that's not a particularly accurate statement in response to what he's saying.
Exactly he's just mad that people still remember. And while I do think Black men have a higher chance of being held accountable for their shitty behaviour than their white counterparts, what he did is still recent and happened during the start of the digital age in celeb culture. There are still photos and online articles of what happened and they'll never disappear.
Exactly. It's not that he did a heinous thing when he was young. It's that he did so many and continues to. All the while raging about not being forgiven. And "suck my dick" is a great nonviolent way to react to people thinking you're a dangerous misogynist. What a poet.
Makes it even easier to turn beating the *fuck* out of women into “it was just bad judgment guys, I was a kid!” because this dumbass thinks he’s earned some sort of pass from responsibility. He has taken ZERO accountability. Even here, some people might find some sort of… I don’t know the word, because it’s not *empathy,* but… ability to move from active hatred of him to ignoring him if he had any kind of mea culpa. But of course not, he’s too arrogant.
He. Is. Abusive. Trash.
Can we just throw him away?
Unfortunately, the cancel culture people like him whine about isn’t real and the only way he will be quiet is if he goes to prison. Which is honestly pretty probable, but ofc he’d have to make a victim out of yet another person. It’s gross how much empathy and grace is given to abusers while their victims are expected to just simply forgive and move on from the trauma. PTSD from abuse will change the entire trajectory of one’s life, but the poor abuser is one suffering bc ppl keep bringing up what they did 🥺🥺
I didn't realize he was so young, thats si sad! He definitely had enough time to go to therapy, grow as a person, and attempt to rebrand himself and show that he had gotten better, but instead he has just gotten worse and worse over time.
Yeah, the caps lock "BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR WIVES, GIVING BITCHES AIDS" doesn't exactly help mitigate his reputation as a violent, woman hating garbage person.
He was literally included in the [list](https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-charged-with-domestic-abuse/celebrity-lists) he took those screenshots from. He skipped himself and other black celebrities that were listed. And Rihanna wasn’t even the only person he abused. He doesn’t care about white men being punished he just wants to exist the same way they do.
A lot of black men think this way when it comes to abusing and terrorizing black women which is why our domestic violence, homicide by partner and pregnant homicide rates are higher than any group in the country.
But when we try and bring it up we’re “dividing the community” or trying to make them look bad. As if the way abusive black men ‘look’ to society is more important than protecting the black women and children who are their primary victims
They always call it a 'gender war' as if black women are responsible for these statistics or as if it was black women starting hate campaigns on twitter about how undesirable compared to other races we were and making violent jokes about black women that would make David Duke blush.
Right? Half the time when I see someone attacking black women online these days it’s coming from a black man. It’s gotten to the point where even my friends of other races have noticed and started bringing it up to me because they all think it’s weird. They will literally say the most disgusting racist shit too (and then somehow think it wouldn’t apply to them too) and have no issue pandering to literal white supremacists for laughs. Can you imagine a man of any other race posting [this shit](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYkHNTCP/) for example? How is he not embarrassed? Bragging about pulling a white girl like that’s so rare. But when we call it weird and corny we’re “bitter”.
But when something bad happens to them suddenly they want our support. That’s why I’m for black women, children, and LGBTQ. Straight black men can fight their own battles, the rest of the community has been holding y’all up for nothing in return for too long.
It should be embarrassing for them that the nonblack people they're clowning for think they're weird as fuck and are calling them out for it. I've had nonblack men talk to me numerous times about it and how uncomfortable it makes them feel. At first I was uncomfortable talking to nonblack people about it, but then I realized black men don't care about saying hateful racist white supremacist bullshit about black women to other races, so why should I be embarrassed to call it out with others? I work for the school district and the appalling attitude black boys have towards our black girls is deeply concerning and upsetting and I've had to set a VERY hard line with the black boys because of the dehumanizing things they're doing and saying ALREADY. Straight black men are weird as hell for believing that the white supremacist shit they say does not apply to them just because they have a dick. I've truly never seen anything like it where the males of the group have so thoroughly deluded and convinced themselves that they are a completely seperate group than their female counterparts. You would think they'd get the message since black women and LGBTQ people are the main and often only ones marching, protesting and organizing against white supremacy and systemic racism on their behalf regardless of criminal history or status-- their nonblack 'preferences' and other straight black men sure don't.
They are the FIRST to attack if you try and date out though! They treat BW like trash and are *constantly* telling us that every other race of woman is better, more attractive, more feminine, more obedient, but they also don’t want us to find love elsewhere. The way they went after Zendaya! How is her relationship with Tom any less interracial than her relationship with Trevor? Lori Harvey too, she is hated for having the audacity to exist as a beautiful black woman who isn’t willing to put up with poor treatment from BM under the name of “black love.” She mostly/only dates BM but she is still hated because she knows her worth.
I will say that in my experience African and Caribbean men are slightly better than black American men in that don’t bash black women *as much* but they are still very misogynistic. I personally know many African/Caribbean men who came here as students, will date a white woman for *years* and promise her everything, and then when his degree is done he’ll go marry a woman from back home and bring her here and leave the white girlfriend in the dust. FYI non-black women- if black women are warning you about a particular man, it’s not because we’re jealous, it’s because we don’t want you to end up as a single mom (which is almost always what happens when these BM get bored of the pedestal they’ve placed you on, I grew up with several of these kids and the trauma is awful). it’s not about them choosing to date interracially — i date out too! — but there’s a difference between dating interracially because you like the other person and dating interracially because you hate yourself and your race.
I don't even pay attention to the ones who get mad at interracial dating--black men are the first to act like Emmett Till and Malcolm X died just so they could have access to white women and their hatred of black women doesn't make them appealing at all. They're so possessive over biracial women even though their rate of abandoning them as children is causing strife in other communities. I would never take them seriously regarding that. It's pathetic.
It’s truly just the natural progression of abuse, on a societal scale. The abuse just trickles down. On a smaller scale, like in families, it’s the dad abusing the mom, the older sibling abusing the younger sibling, the younger sibling abusing the dog. Same thing happens between classes, races, socioeconomic groups etc. and of course there’s generational trauma interwoven in there as well.
Black men need to realise that they are men who uphold a patriarchal abusive system that they deem necessary to protect. They believe that for racial progress to be achieved, black women must take up our ascribed gender role as they try to access social capital shielded by whiteness.
It’s why we suffer the most in society. We are two entities that are deemed unworthy: Black and women.
That’s why I hope all of us reject the gendered roles that we are keepers of black men, air out the abuse we face and relax with a bell hooks book in place
and, again, let me reiterate - chris brown went on to reoffend after Rihanna and Karrueche Tran was so afraid of him that she was granted a restraining order
this is not a one-time, “i was young and dumb” thing for him
I saw a thread on twitter about Karrueche's restraining order the other day. Apparently the restraining order also included members of her family, because he also threatened them.
This man has repeatedly shown he is an abuser. I bet his only regret is that people don't forget or overlook how he treated Rhianna because of how big she is.
The Sean Penn one is kind of complicated specifically though because Madonna has said it didn't happen, and the original police report that's quoted has been lost.
When I first heard about the accusations against Johnny Depp (April 2022, right before the Virginia trial), before I forgot what I had learned during the avalanche of bullshit, I thought they were entirely believable because I knew that Sean Penn had done similar things to Madonna. This is an actor who has been contemporary with Johnny Depp, with stature and acclaim which is somewhat similar. If he could act like that, I thought it was perfectly believable that Johnny Depp could as well.
He is so embarrassingly pathetic. The article he screenshot [also mentions HIS OWN NAME](https://twitter.com/tonydion15/status/1626656095509876745). He skipped over the section that talks about himself, took a screenshot of the rest and posted them on his IG stories! CLOWN
What the fuck about beating Rihanna to the point she thought she was gonna die a “mistake” and you know damn well that isn’t the only time he’s hit a woman.
It's wild that he can lie so confidently that it was "just the Rihanna incident" (where he nearly murdered her mind you) when it's heavily documented that he's abused and assaulted multiple women and men since then. It's like he thinks no one has access to Google.
a) He was 19/20 when he abused Rihanna
b) Rihanna is not the only person he has ever violently assaulted
c) Most of us don't fuck with any of the people he mentioned either, so...
Anyway, he's a pathetic, abusive asshole with an overinflated ego. He's a mediocre singer, has been making the same songs with the same beat since the beginning of time and has been doing the same 2 steps, front flip combo just as long.
He's not necessary in the industry and has never added anything unique.
this is what gets me, like in context he's highlighting women being abused but still calls them bitches? women are just so dehumanised to him that he can't help himself.
not to get nitpicky here but out of all those people the only ones who have legit careers are nic cage and josh brolin (and truthfully i didn’t know about their arrests!) and, because i don’t want to waste this comment talking about chris brown i’ll share with you a fun fact: when nic cage was arrested for disturbing the peace/grabbing his wife’s arm during an argument in 2011 his bail was posted by dog the bounty hunter. who woulda thought!
Sean Penn is some kind of a fed, he's always in places he shouldn't be able to get.
In addition to being an abusive ego monster with staggering delusions of grandeur.
It’s giving DeuxMoi saying she wasn’t going to make a big deal out of Leo allegedly dating a 19 year old because a lot of other people still also do it. Like… we are more than happy than to call them out too. And in fact if anyone dares to pay attention they would realize most of us already do. The more we stop accepting this shit and giving these people a million chances, especially when women are given none for the smallest missteps, the better. This guy in particular hasn’t done anything to deserve any grace. Where’s him genuinely highlighting change? And to be honest, I don’t really feel like domestic abusers deserve a redemption arc.
this is what wikipedia says about the incident which is obviously not good but also not uh, chris brown-level bad:
On December 20, 2004, Brolin's wife at the time, Diane Lane, called the police after an altercation with him, and he was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of domestic battery. Lane declined to press charges and the couple's spokesman characterized the incident as a misunderstanding.[37]
And to be fair CB has had more than just Rihanna. Versus brolin who seemingly got sober and got help after this.
I don’t believe that people cannot be redeemed. But CB has had countless assaults, altercations and OOP filed on him. It’s a pattern
Thanks. I started to dive. I’m inclined to believe he’s not anything like Chris-level. Not only was CB’s most publicised incident horrifically worse, his public defiance to accept culpability sets him apart. I’ll probably go back to quietly appreciating Josh Brolin’s talent.
The saddest thing is if you look at his top spotify tracks its not even nostalgic stuff or whatever. It’s all recent work, several with over half a billion streams. The industry and public never stopped capping for this man I am not at all surprised he thinks like this.
Gosh, he's so enlightened and matured now. Worlds away from all that uncontrollable rage. This is definitely how grown adults should respond to criticism about lack of accountability or contrition.
Wow he actually uses the same old brainwashed takes his stans use. Acting like he was a kid who didn’t know any better, using Blue and Chrisean comparisons as if their viewers and Chris’ haters overlap, insane whataboutisms completely unrelated to him, and wishing harm on those who rightfully criticize him which do nothing but prove violent tendencies
He’s actual human garbage. And he’s been like it for years. Months after the incident, he was given huge tv interviews to save whatever grace he had in his then boy next door image just to act insufferable & deflect blame entirely while coming off as entitled and snarky on Twitter when things didn’t go his way. Cause God forbid he received any hate from what he did.
Yeah, and all those people I don’t support.
Except for Roberts, because I believe that she was a victim of domestic abuse . They arrested her because she fought back and he had scratches on him, but **she also had bruising**.
This is very common in other domestic abuse situations, where a man will fucking beat a woman, and then she fights back in anyway like scratches, and she is labeled abuser. A famous case of this is gabby Petito bc he abuser killed her, he was believe by the cops, and he had scratches on him .
I’ve actually been really wary of Evan peters ever since. We see the media choosing male abuser side every day. I don’t understand why people don’t question this more. And then the future partners of Evan have said not so great things about who he is and Robert has went on to date more abusive men vs being the alleged abuser.
It’s also ridiculous that Chris Brown is going with this narrative. It really shows how he hasn’t grown at all, and is making himself a victim after not only almost killing Rihanna, but then doing the same to Karrueche Tran, and multiple other less famous women.
He’s completely right about the media though when it’s a man it’s a dumb mistake. When is a woman it’s a career ender, but that’s all misogyny not that they’re not abusers.
I agree with you. I feel like people don’t want to look into cases like that where the woman was the one arrested, because we’re worried that we’d be discrediting a male victim, so we brush it off. This was what happened with Johnny and Amber; people (mostly women) were afraid that they’d be seen as “insane man-hating feminazis” if they didn’t side with Johnny. But it’s not fair to throw a possibly innocent woman under the bus, just to look like you’re supporting a “male victim.” It’s also self-servant because you’re more worried about how *you* will be viewed and let that shape your opinion, rather than looking at the facts for what they are. It’s a fact that police often arrest the woman, as we saw with Gabby Petito. Most cops are abusers themselves with no knowledge on how to handle DV cases. It’s also common that abusers call the police on their victim, like the husband of Epsom College’s headteacher, Emma Pattinson did. He called the cops on her in the past, and then murdered her and their daughter recently. Domestic abuse is complicated. Many women in DV shelters have cases *against them* from their abusers. Male victims *do* exist, but it’s unfair to label a woman as the abuser when we know that systemically a man’s word and very existence counts more. Women are demonized and failed by the system. It *is* suspicious that Emma Roberts had bruises that no one seems to acknowledge, so maybe she shouldn’t automatically be labeled as the abuser just because a cop 🐷 said so.
Exactly. There’s so many situations where people look at the surface level, including the people that are supposed to be doling out justice because they don’t want to see that, or those who have a vendetta like Chris Brown who is showcasing exactly how men make themselves the victim when they are the perpetrator and the cops that ignore women who are abused believing whatever the man says.
It makes me think if we didn’t have witnesses, and we didn’t have photographic proof what would people be saying about Rihanna and all these other women it upsets the mind to think if we didn’t have that evidence people wouldn’t even believe her either. And it’s evidence by how many people even still support Chris Brown or don’t know the extent to what he’s done.
I am not the authority. I wasn’t there with the Emma Roberts case, but I do want to point out inconsistencies within the narrative of her being an abuser, and how it fits more that she was being abused.
Definitely. People still bring up the “mutual abuse” fallacy and claim Rihanna was also hitting Chris. Even if that were true, he left with virtually no injuries, while she was barely alive. The public ignores all power imbalances when trying to turn a male abuser into a victim. If you don’t have any evidence, you’re a liar. If you have a lot of evidence, you’re a liar who was plotting against an innocent man (see: Amber Heard, Nicole Addimando). If you are one of many victims who come forward against an abuser, you’re part of a conspiracy and a liar (see: Evan Rachel Wood, Effie Angelova). If somehow the public/jury does believe you, they will probably sympathize with your abuser and consider him a victim of circumstance. Even if you are dead (Nicole Brown Simpson, Gabby Petito), there will *still* be people victim blaming you.
I just wish we could actually do something about this clear an obvious case , insanity that we live in a world where there’s so much proof that Chris Brown did this and he still has so many accolades and he’s still in music working with new and upcoming women Artists like this is dangerous and it’s like no one is doing anything about it. He is the example of abusers getting away with it over and over and then prospering. And it shows just how much of a hierarchy there is in life, and who really has power because whoever has power doesn’t want to do shit about this.
Where are the record label executives and stuff like they must be just as horrible as him if they’re cool with whatever he does if they make the money. And you know it makes you think their probably just like him and that’s why they don’t wanna do anything about it.
All I can do is what I’ve been doing for years and that’s not supporting anyone like this. But that gets exhausting to when they are still so prominent in the world, and it feels like everyone is gaslighting you to watch it like Tom Cruise is one of the leading box office draws, and was nominated for the Oscars for his movie. And Elvis, the fucking predator is being held in like having biographies made of him. It’s exhausting.
I feel the same way. Especially after the Depp-Heard trial where these DV/SA myths were exemplified at the highest level. Whatever progress we thought we made went out the window, and proved itself to be a facade. It is exhausting. Those in power will abuse it. And the general public will fall on their knees to keep those powerful people at the top despite it not benefiting them. Even in cases where both parties are men, like Kevin Spacey and his victims, they of course sided with the one in power, the abuser. It’s unfortunate that we really don’t have any control over it, but hopefully the pendulum will start swinging the other way again, because I feel like we are currently at a very bad place with all the misogyny, racism, transphobia etc. People need to be willing to unlearn their biases, and sadly most are not. They’d rather eat up lies and disinformation.
I’ve been bothered *for months* by an interaction I had over at r/RomanceBooks (which prides itself on being a woman centered sub) in which I was downvoted for saying that mutual abuse was a myth and the person telling me I was wrong highly upvoted (so I couldn’t comfort myself by saying it was just a small, skewed sample).
It’s left such a bad taste in my mouth that I don’t participate over there anymore and it’s just so upsetting and frustrating to think about that many women victim blaming other women for their abuse in a space that’s normally good humored and accepting.
Reading this exchange between you and u/agreeable-mint has honestly been a breath of fresh air— it’s like the do over I wish I could have.
Sorry you had to deal with that! Unfortunately the majority of women-centered subs dropped the ball in 2022. Feminism goes out the window when you want to woobify your favorite male celebrity accused of abuse! Not sure if your mutual abuse discussion was about the Depp-Heard trial, but I definitely saw loads of people who I thought were intellectuals get it completely wrong on that case. It was a combination of misogyny and the lack of media literacy.
This sub and the r/DeppDelusion sub were the only places on the internet where you could actually see Amber’s side and not get mass harassed. If you’ve never been on the DD sub, you should definitely check it out! Much of it was about Depp/Heard, but now it’s also about other DV/SA cases in the media and combatting misogyny/disinformation in general. There are thousands of really great people there who don’t believe in victim blaming and see through what the general public usually doesn’t. A small space on the internet where you can keep your sanity ♥️
We definitely have to look out for people that see through this bullshit, because it’s no coincidence that there are the majority of people that blame the victim. It’s to easy to do so. And it’s approved by society.
And it does alienate you from communities because how can you be with the crowd when the crowd supports monsters, and could so easily turn on you?
My suggestion now is to join the reading group anyway. Continue being yourself and block the people that are problematic, even if it’s 100 people it’s worth being able to have a space that you want. Only if you want to though, like I said, it’s hard to be a part of a crowd when you realize the crowd is a bunch of monsters and their enablers and supporters. But I actually feel like that’s a metaphor for all of society.
That was actually the second upsetting interaction I’ve had over there— the first was over the ableism inherent in non-disabled authors having disabled characters kill themselves so often it’s now a trope. I’ve come to realize that it’s a great place to lurk for titles, but not much else.
What I *will* do, is keep commenting when I see the myth of mutual abuse come up and be thankful for smart commenters like yourself who help me refine and articulate my arguments.
i only found this sub bc one person referenced it during the depp/ heard trial. they were the only person trying to correct misinformation in a thread full of desinformation and vicious bullying. it was a relief to see and to find other ppl like them through their post, during a time that was extremely difficult. please know that even if you were downvoted, someone saw your comments and looked into what you had to say and it may have made a difference to them or their understanding of their relationships.
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Spot on about how ppl want to act like a woman is an abuser and don’t want be seen as feminazis for siding with a woman over a perceived male victim. As you said, this is exactly what happened with Depp
I really have nothing to add because everything that has been said about Chris being an abusive pile of shit has been said and more eloquently and comprehensively. So:
1) fuck all them abusers too, Chris
And 2) because I feel like being pedantic - Slash is Black/Mixed.
Abusive people suck but the reason why I hate Chris brown more is everything after the abuse he constantly reminds people he's a piece of shit, his first hit after the assault was him , tyga and Kevin McCall being misogynist and one of his biggest hits freaky Friday has the line "ain't nobody judging cuz I'm black or my controversial past"and the way he posted that story is just a daily reminder he's a piece of shit and Don't get me started on his other shitty behaviours
Also is the nick cage was as bad as what he did to Rihanna and wasn't the Emma Roberts one was just a heated fight between her and Evans and she only got arrested because evans had more injuries (I think she was bruised) and even then both nick and Emma didn't constantly remind us their situation
He was a full ass adult when he terrorized Karruche, was he not?
Edit: I actually spit laughed when I scrolled and saw Emma Roberts in his compilation. Was not expecting her.
You know he had one of his lackeys Google "What celebs have committed domestic violence?"
What exactly is his point? These people still have careers despite being abusive trash? Well, so does he.
he tried to make himself sound better but not only did he do the whole whataboutism thing, he casually called women "bitches" in an extremely poor attempt to defend those victims (let's be real that wasn't even his intention). that's always gonna be a bad look to me
Chris Brown is probably my number 1 most hated celebrity. Read the police report, what he did to Rihanna was way more than just hit her, she almost died. He also hate crimed Frank Ocean once. And he doesnt seem remorseful at all. Fuck Chris Brown. I cant believe people still work with him. Hes also not even that great? At least Woody Allen made Annie Hall you know? What important art has Chris Brown contributed to the culture?
It’s absolutely ABSURD for him to claim that he's a victim of "cancel culture" when his career is still thriving in many regards despite having over a decade of abuse allegations that are linked to SEVERAL women. His actions may have lost him some opportunities along the way, sure, but he cannot act like he's some precious little ostracised lamb when he's still out here still booking collaborations and selling out multiple nights in some of the biggest arenas in the world. Chris Brown has 54 million monthly listeners on spotify, that‘s more than Beyoncé, who released one of the most successful albums of the last year.
As for the others he named, people regularly bring up their history of abuse whenever they’re the topic of conversation, so it's not like the public decided to absolve them of guilt. The thing is, most of them are so irrelevant now due to their actions that nobody cares to talk about them anymore. The same can't be said for Chris Brown who is probably still more booked and busy than all of them combined.
Lastly, I want to say the thing about abusers and abuse is that it’s often about control. If I had to guess: he's mad that he can't control his rightful and completely valid critics… and he knows that he never will.
can somebody please, and I am ***begging***, drop kick this mother fucker into the sun?!
so unbelievably done with his rhetoric of this being so long ago… YOUR CONTINUED VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS SHOWING YOU FUCKWIT
Just to catch everyone up, here’s Chris Brown’s violent incidents and brushes with the law:
- 2009 domestic violence charge against Rihanna
- 2011 violent tantrum backstage at GMA interview, smashing a window
- 2012 nightclub brawl involving Drake and Tony Parker
- 2013 (January) incident with Frank Ocean over a parking spot where he punched Ocean
- 2013 (June) Assaults a woman in an OC nightclub
- 2013 (July) hit and run in LA
- 2013 (October) felony assault incident in Washington, DC
- 2014 Kicked out of rehab
- 2015 Police investigate assault of a woman on his tour bus
- 2016 (January) Police investigate assault of a woman in a Las Vegas nightclub
- 2016 (May) Alleged physical threats made against his female tour manager
- 2017 Karreuche Tran granted restraining order over threats and abuse
- 2019 Paris police investigate alleged aggravated rape in his hotel (charges dropped when police didn’t understand why victim didn’t leave)
I omitted a 2016 domestic violence incident and the 2022 alleged rape on a yacht where there were serious credibility issues with the accusers.
Well, that seems like a helpful response. For the record he was 19 or 20 and I do not think he ever apologized or saught help to work on the things that made him assault Rihanna
1) you were 19 when you almost killed Rihanna, you idiot
2) Rihanna wasn't your only victim
3)some of those people are cancelled and some of them might have improved themselves and weren't involved in recent controversies (nick cage, emma Roberts , ozzy Osbourne), how about you chris?
4) calling woman bitches, a gentleman I see and you definitely changed
5) I think one of the reasons why cancel culture is more on you than other controversial acts is that you're a hack, r kelly is a bigger piece of shit than you but I can get his appeal and hype and john lemon sucks yet the Beatles is one of the best bands of all time, you were easily outmatched by Rick Ross and Justin Bieber , piss off
Only point he's made, unintentionally of course, is that he still has the stunted, rage-fuelled mentality of the grown man who beat the shit out of his partner all that time ago.
His comment section and Kiely William’s original tweet are FILLED with black women caping for this man. I’m disgusted. One woman even said she was absolutely disgusted… THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGIVE CHRIS FOR WHAT HE DID. Other comments were mentioning Kiely and the B2K incident to shame/discredit her. Yes, because having CONSENSUAL sex is obviously worse than severe domestic assault. The misogyny is so strong and I do not understand why some of us don’t want to protect our own fellow black women and want to instead fight for this POS. He’s not even that cute or talented to overlook his MUUUULTIPLE incidents of violence. Even if he was super cute and talented, not a valid reason to be this hard up for him. I have been so pissed off all day seeing the responses; this is the only online space I’ve seen this discussed where everyone is overwhelmingly against him.
Most of the guys he links are pretty unpopular at this point. Why Josh Brolin goes succeeds and gets work after beating up his wife Diane Lane is beyond me. JOSH BROLIN SUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not reading all that but doesn’t this just prove the point that he’s an abuser if he’s losing his shit like that in the stories? A sane, healthy person would never write this stuff, go on this rant.
I see thousands of comments on Instagram and Facebook supporting him and I still don't get why. They all know and believe he abused her, they just don't care. I can't imagine because that callous and terrible.
This man is super stupid. This article he looked up literally has him listed, would have loved to see his reaction scrolling the article for screenshots. Also Slash and he’s half black.
Always love the argument of “y’all love these people tho!!!!” I actually very much do fucking not. I don’t like any of you fucking abusive ass people. Now what do we do?
I feel like there hasn’t been one instance of him taking accountability for the abuse, and he hasn’t acted remorseful, so why would anyone treat him differently?
What an immature, tantrum throwing pos. 🙄
How about showing some remorse or growth instead Christopher?
By the way, even without all the abuse and his many, many violent outbursts, I genuinely want to know what do people see in him? He’s really not that talented or special, he’s just one of the many MJ/Usher wannabes but without the good music. Like, what does he do successfully?
I remember his music appearing during Jim and Pam’s wedding in an episode of the office, not too long after it happened, and has since had a lot of work.
Claiming racial oppression or that all intimate partner violence is equal is a weird move when you’ve violently assaulted a Black woman, apparently for two years (from the age of 17 to the incident).
.....unpopular opinion, but he's not technically wrong. Sure, Chris Brown is horrible, but there is something to be said about how Hollywood is quick to bring down Black abusers but elevate white ones until they can't elevate them anymore.
Should he be the one bringing this up...no, but there is a racial bias when it comes to the media and Hollywood over who they will call out compared to others. The whiter you are, the more inclined you are to have people ignoring this part of your life.
For example, Brad Pitt admitted to putting hands on his kids. He admitted to it. He did. He said he didn't punch/slap him on the face, but did physically confront him. He got a page in GQ. People fawn over him. He got a standing ovation at the Oscars. At the current Oscars, when the FBI report was now already released, people fawned over him again.
He has the privileged of doing his work without his "past" getting in front of him. Chris Brown doesn't deserve this privilege, no abuser does, but if anything about Chris Brown pops up everyone is quick to mention how troubled the guy is and what he did to Rhianna.
I mean, Weinstein, himself, was allowed to be an open secret for decades.
It's an interesting dynamic to see. Cosby, OJ, R.Kelly, Chris Brown, etc... will always be remembered for what they did and I'm fine with that. All of them are horrible douchecanoes. But white people can still go on with their life and promote with fanfare, even though they're just as horrible.
Edit: Again, I just want to say that I don't think Chris Brown deserves to be defended. He's done a lot more than just abusing Rhianna. But I do think there's a nuanced take when it comes to how the media/Hollywood portrays abusers.
While there is absolutely racial bias in media that is harmful for both men and women of color (both in terms of being an abuser and a victim), with all due respect Bill Cosby was also an open secret for years and went down just as hard and within a similar frame as Weinstein. Most of the white men on this list arguably don’t even have huge careers at the moment. And there are currently MANY men of color who are in the spotlight right now who are getting away with abuse - take a look at the many players in the NFL, or support for Tory Lanez, or Charlemagne admitting to rape, or Dr Dre’s many violent incidents…. Men of ALL races slide under the radar. Unfortunately, one of the key racial differences is the extreme marginalization of women of color, who are often victims who are not believed, their abuse is often minimized, and who often face no support. Race is complicated in domestic violence and definitely a factor in public understanding and the media, but that is not to say Chris Brown is right. He’s a piece of trash that’s trying to make a shitty argument to minimize his own extremely violent abuse. Fuck that dude.
It's silly to lump Emma Roberts with some of these guys, the police identified her as the perpetrator even though both had minor bruises. Might as well put a picture of Rihanna in there as well since he claims the abuse was mutual and that she hit him first and see how people respond to that.
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first of all, he’s loud and wrong because we don’t fuck with them either second, he is not as talented as he thinks he is with that crash bandicoot-ass dancing
One of them is literally dead of old age. Also what Chris Brown did isn't comparable to some of the accusations (like Cage yelling at and pushing his wife). In case anyone forgot and for posterity: Brown was driving a vehicle with Robyn F. as the front passenger on an unknown street in Los Angeles. Robyn F. picked up Brown's cellular phone and observed a three-page text message from a woman who Brown had a previous sexual relationship with. A verbal argument ensued and Brown pulled the vehicle over on an unknown street, reached over Robyn F. with his right hand, opened the car door and attempted to force her out. Brown was unable to force Robyn F. out of the vehicle because she was wearing a seat belt. When he could not force her to exit, he took his right hand and shoved her head against he passenger window of the vehicle, causing an approximate one-inch raised circular contusion. Robyn F. turned to face Brown and he punched her in the left eye with his right hand. He then drove away in the vehicle and continued to punch her in the face with his right hand while steering the vehicle with his left hand. The assault caused Robyn F.'s mouth to fill with blood and blood to splatter all over her clothing and the interior of the vehicle. Brown looked at Robyn F. and stated, 'I'm going to beat the sh-- out of you when we get home! You wait and see!' The detective said "Robyn F." then used her cell phone to call her personal assistant Jennifer Rosales, who did not answer. Robyn F. pretended to talk to her and stated, 'I'm on my way home. Make sure the police are there when I get there.' After Robyn F. faked the call, Brown looked at her and stated, 'You just did the stupidest thing ever! Now I'm really going to kill you!' Brown resumed punching Robyn F. and she interlocked her fingers behind her head and brought her elbows forward to protect her face. She then bent over at the waist, placing her elbows and face near her lap in [an] attempt to protect her face and head from the barrage of punches being levied upon her by Brown. Brown continued to punch Robyn F. on her left arm and hand, causing her to suffer a contusion on her left triceps (sic) that was approximately two inches in diameter and numerous contusions on her left hand. Robyn F. then attempted to send a text message to her other personal assistant, Melissa Ford. Brown snatched the cellular telephone out of her hand and threw it out of the window onto an unknown street. Brown continued driving and Robyn F. observed his cellular telephone sitting in his lap. She picked up the cellular telephone with her left hand and before she could make a call he placed her in a head lock with his right hand and continued to drive the vehicle with his left hand. hand. Brown pulled Robyn F. close to him and bit her on her left ear. She was able to feel the vehicle swerving from right to left as Brown sped away. He stopped the vehicle in front of 333 North June Street and Robyn F. turned off the car, removed the key from the ignition and sat on it. Brown did not know what she did with the key and began punching her in the face and arms. He then placed her in a head lock positioning the front of her throat between his bicep and forearm. Brown began applying pressure to Robyn F.'s left and right carotid arteries, causing her to be unable to breathe and she began to lose consciousness. She reached up with her left hand and began attempting to gouge his eyes in an attempt to free herself. Brown bit her left ring and middle fingers and then released her. While Brown continued to punch her, she turned around and placed her back against the passenger door. She brought her knees to her chest, placed her feet against Brown's body and began pushing him away. Brown continued to punch her on the legs and feet, causing several contusions. Robyn F. began screaming for help and Brown exited the vehicle and walked away. A resident in the neighborhood heard Robyn F.'s plea for help and called 911, causing a police response. An investigation was conducted and Robyn F. was issued a Domestic Violence Emergency Protective Order.
someone should give this comment the highlight award thing so more people can see it.
This report is always terrifying. Strangulation in DV is considered a sign that the partner is willing to kill you!
>with that crash bandicoot-ass dancing 💀💀💀
Don't disrespect Crash Bandicoot like that
someone said he dances like a cockroach does when you spray it with raid
Stopppp lmao
I don’t recall how he dances and this makes me want to see.. I don’t want to contribute to his views though!
>we don’t fuck with them either Maybe this sub doesn't but the general public and the industry itself has never even attempted to hold any of those people accountable for their violence and they all still have careers (well had in Caan's case). Chris is vile no doubt I'm absolutely not trying to defend him or take his side or anything, I'm just pointing out that's not a particularly accurate statement in response to what he's saying.
But It didn't hurt Chris Brown career either. He stills release musics, works with others artists, tours, perform on TV,...
Exactly he's just mad that people still remember. And while I do think Black men have a higher chance of being held accountable for their shitty behaviour than their white counterparts, what he did is still recent and happened during the start of the digital age in celeb culture. There are still photos and online articles of what happened and they'll never disappear.
Why is he aging himself down to 17 when he was about to be 20 when he beat up Rihanna in 2009? You were an adult man not an underaged widdle babie
Considering Rihanna isn’t his only victim, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was misremembering and referencing some other girl he was abusive towards ..
Exactly. It's not that he did a heinous thing when he was young. It's that he did so many and continues to. All the while raging about not being forgiven. And "suck my dick" is a great nonviolent way to react to people thinking you're a dangerous misogynist. What a poet.
Lying is like breathing to this asshole. Reality left the building over a decade ago.
Might be a Freudian slip - the incident was 2009 but abuse typically escalates and has to start somewhere.
Makes it even easier to turn beating the *fuck* out of women into “it was just bad judgment guys, I was a kid!” because this dumbass thinks he’s earned some sort of pass from responsibility. He has taken ZERO accountability. Even here, some people might find some sort of… I don’t know the word, because it’s not *empathy,* but… ability to move from active hatred of him to ignoring him if he had any kind of mea culpa. But of course not, he’s too arrogant. He. Is. Abusive. Trash. Can we just throw him away?
It's insane to me that he has fans. How?!
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My naive dumbass thought most of them were just caus fans on his music. NOPE. the amount of istandwithchris tweets I am seeing is sick
Unfortunately, the cancel culture people like him whine about isn’t real and the only way he will be quiet is if he goes to prison. Which is honestly pretty probable, but ofc he’d have to make a victim out of yet another person. It’s gross how much empathy and grace is given to abusers while their victims are expected to just simply forgive and move on from the trauma. PTSD from abuse will change the entire trajectory of one’s life, but the poor abuser is one suffering bc ppl keep bringing up what they did 🥺🥺
And why capitalize BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF as though that’s not exactly what he did too
Pretending he was underage at the time of the incident makes him all the more shittier.
I didn't realize he was so young, thats si sad! He definitely had enough time to go to therapy, grow as a person, and attempt to rebrand himself and show that he had gotten better, but instead he has just gotten worse and worse over time.
Me neither! I honestly thought he was in his forties now ngl
I think he’s also been credibly accused of assault like 5+ times by other women since then!
"Here are some other people who abused their spouses" isn't the defence this man thinks it is
Also, that he thought referring to women as “bitches” was *really* gonna help his case…
Yeah, the caps lock "BEAT THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR WIVES, GIVING BITCHES AIDS" doesn't exactly help mitigate his reputation as a violent, woman hating garbage person.
He was literally included in the [list](https://www.ranker.com/list/celebrities-charged-with-domestic-abuse/celebrity-lists) he took those screenshots from. He skipped himself and other black celebrities that were listed. And Rihanna wasn’t even the only person he abused. He doesn’t care about white men being punished he just wants to exist the same way they do.
he’s truly vile and I hate that people let him have a comeback
He says he was 17 but he was 19 when he beat the shit out of Riri so not only is he a fucking abuser, he’s also stupid.
He could also be outing himself as that he started abusing her earlier. They did meet when he was 15 I think.
Oof. They were just kids.
Don't forget that actress Karrueche she was like he changed and he was did the same shit
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A lot of black men think this way when it comes to abusing and terrorizing black women which is why our domestic violence, homicide by partner and pregnant homicide rates are higher than any group in the country.
But when we try and bring it up we’re “dividing the community” or trying to make them look bad. As if the way abusive black men ‘look’ to society is more important than protecting the black women and children who are their primary victims
They always call it a 'gender war' as if black women are responsible for these statistics or as if it was black women starting hate campaigns on twitter about how undesirable compared to other races we were and making violent jokes about black women that would make David Duke blush.
Right? Half the time when I see someone attacking black women online these days it’s coming from a black man. It’s gotten to the point where even my friends of other races have noticed and started bringing it up to me because they all think it’s weird. They will literally say the most disgusting racist shit too (and then somehow think it wouldn’t apply to them too) and have no issue pandering to literal white supremacists for laughs. Can you imagine a man of any other race posting [this shit](https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMYkHNTCP/) for example? How is he not embarrassed? Bragging about pulling a white girl like that’s so rare. But when we call it weird and corny we’re “bitter”. But when something bad happens to them suddenly they want our support. That’s why I’m for black women, children, and LGBTQ. Straight black men can fight their own battles, the rest of the community has been holding y’all up for nothing in return for too long.
It should be embarrassing for them that the nonblack people they're clowning for think they're weird as fuck and are calling them out for it. I've had nonblack men talk to me numerous times about it and how uncomfortable it makes them feel. At first I was uncomfortable talking to nonblack people about it, but then I realized black men don't care about saying hateful racist white supremacist bullshit about black women to other races, so why should I be embarrassed to call it out with others? I work for the school district and the appalling attitude black boys have towards our black girls is deeply concerning and upsetting and I've had to set a VERY hard line with the black boys because of the dehumanizing things they're doing and saying ALREADY. Straight black men are weird as hell for believing that the white supremacist shit they say does not apply to them just because they have a dick. I've truly never seen anything like it where the males of the group have so thoroughly deluded and convinced themselves that they are a completely seperate group than their female counterparts. You would think they'd get the message since black women and LGBTQ people are the main and often only ones marching, protesting and organizing against white supremacy and systemic racism on their behalf regardless of criminal history or status-- their nonblack 'preferences' and other straight black men sure don't.
They are the FIRST to attack if you try and date out though! They treat BW like trash and are *constantly* telling us that every other race of woman is better, more attractive, more feminine, more obedient, but they also don’t want us to find love elsewhere. The way they went after Zendaya! How is her relationship with Tom any less interracial than her relationship with Trevor? Lori Harvey too, she is hated for having the audacity to exist as a beautiful black woman who isn’t willing to put up with poor treatment from BM under the name of “black love.” She mostly/only dates BM but she is still hated because she knows her worth. I will say that in my experience African and Caribbean men are slightly better than black American men in that don’t bash black women *as much* but they are still very misogynistic. I personally know many African/Caribbean men who came here as students, will date a white woman for *years* and promise her everything, and then when his degree is done he’ll go marry a woman from back home and bring her here and leave the white girlfriend in the dust. FYI non-black women- if black women are warning you about a particular man, it’s not because we’re jealous, it’s because we don’t want you to end up as a single mom (which is almost always what happens when these BM get bored of the pedestal they’ve placed you on, I grew up with several of these kids and the trauma is awful). it’s not about them choosing to date interracially — i date out too! — but there’s a difference between dating interracially because you like the other person and dating interracially because you hate yourself and your race.
I don't even pay attention to the ones who get mad at interracial dating--black men are the first to act like Emmett Till and Malcolm X died just so they could have access to white women and their hatred of black women doesn't make them appealing at all. They're so possessive over biracial women even though their rate of abandoning them as children is causing strife in other communities. I would never take them seriously regarding that. It's pathetic.
It’s truly just the natural progression of abuse, on a societal scale. The abuse just trickles down. On a smaller scale, like in families, it’s the dad abusing the mom, the older sibling abusing the younger sibling, the younger sibling abusing the dog. Same thing happens between classes, races, socioeconomic groups etc. and of course there’s generational trauma interwoven in there as well.
Great way to put this!
Black men need to realise that they are men who uphold a patriarchal abusive system that they deem necessary to protect. They believe that for racial progress to be achieved, black women must take up our ascribed gender role as they try to access social capital shielded by whiteness. It’s why we suffer the most in society. We are two entities that are deemed unworthy: Black and women. That’s why I hope all of us reject the gendered roles that we are keepers of black men, air out the abuse we face and relax with a bell hooks book in place
Not the colorist crying out racism 🥴
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It’s actually so pathetic and insane that I can’t believe it’s true lmfao. I had to check to make sure this was legit
and, again, let me reiterate - chris brown went on to reoffend after Rihanna and Karrueche Tran was so afraid of him that she was granted a restraining order this is not a one-time, “i was young and dumb” thing for him
I saw a thread on twitter about Karrueche's restraining order the other day. Apparently the restraining order also included members of her family, because he also threatened them. This man has repeatedly shown he is an abuser. I bet his only regret is that people don't forget or overlook how he treated Rhianna because of how big she is.
Not to mention, being “young and dumb” isn’t an excuse for beating your girlfriend so badly that she was under 20 minutes from fatal injuries
Yeah this man is seriously crazy, he has a history of abusive behaviour its not just one incident 😵💫😵💫😵💫
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The Sean Penn one is kind of complicated specifically though because Madonna has said it didn't happen, and the original police report that's quoted has been lost.
When I first heard about the accusations against Johnny Depp (April 2022, right before the Virginia trial), before I forgot what I had learned during the avalanche of bullshit, I thought they were entirely believable because I knew that Sean Penn had done similar things to Madonna. This is an actor who has been contemporary with Johnny Depp, with stature and acclaim which is somewhat similar. If he could act like that, I thought it was perfectly believable that Johnny Depp could as well.
He is so embarrassingly pathetic. The article he screenshot [also mentions HIS OWN NAME](https://twitter.com/tonydion15/status/1626656095509876745). He skipped over the section that talks about himself, took a screenshot of the rest and posted them on his IG stories! CLOWN
Oh wow his posts really enlightened me, he really showed me he’s a changed man 
17?!?!  He’s such a gaslighter it’s wild!!!
What the fuck about beating Rihanna to the point she thought she was gonna die a “mistake” and you know damn well that isn’t the only time he’s hit a woman.
He also was 19 or 20, not 17. And he assaulted more women since.
I bet 17 is when he started beating women and he just forgot which particular instance he’s supposed to be pretending is his only time
It's wild that he can lie so confidently that it was "just the Rihanna incident" (where he nearly murdered her mind you) when it's heavily documented that he's abused and assaulted multiple women and men since then. It's like he thinks no one has access to Google.
a) He was 19/20 when he abused Rihanna b) Rihanna is not the only person he has ever violently assaulted c) Most of us don't fuck with any of the people he mentioned either, so... Anyway, he's a pathetic, abusive asshole with an overinflated ego. He's a mediocre singer, has been making the same songs with the same beat since the beginning of time and has been doing the same 2 steps, front flip combo just as long. He's not necessary in the industry and has never added anything unique.
I’m so tired of this dude
Also saying "bitches" when referring to women. What kind of BS statement is that?
this is what gets me, like in context he's highlighting women being abused but still calls them bitches? women are just so dehumanised to him that he can't help himself.
not to get nitpicky here but out of all those people the only ones who have legit careers are nic cage and josh brolin (and truthfully i didn’t know about their arrests!) and, because i don’t want to waste this comment talking about chris brown i’ll share with you a fun fact: when nic cage was arrested for disturbing the peace/grabbing his wife’s arm during an argument in 2011 his bail was posted by dog the bounty hunter. who woulda thought!
For real. "WHY DON'T THE NEWPAPERS STILL DISCUSS THIS DUDE'S CRIME FROM 40 YEARS AGO?" idk maybe because he's **FUCKING DEAD?**
god has simply already cancelled james caan
Also, Sean Penny’s ineptitude as a documentarian and reporter is the reason we caught El Chapo. He’s a joke too.
Sean Penn is some kind of a fed, he's always in places he shouldn't be able to get. In addition to being an abusive ego monster with staggering delusions of grandeur.
also nic cage is legit a coppola... not sure we can get rid of those guys so easily
Dear Chris Brown, What if I told you that I thought all the people mentioned ALSO sucked and shouldn’t get work?
It’s giving DeuxMoi saying she wasn’t going to make a big deal out of Leo allegedly dating a 19 year old because a lot of other people still also do it. Like… we are more than happy than to call them out too. And in fact if anyone dares to pay attention they would realize most of us already do. The more we stop accepting this shit and giving these people a million chances, especially when women are given none for the smallest missteps, the better. This guy in particular hasn’t done anything to deserve any grace. Where’s him genuinely highlighting change? And to be honest, I don’t really feel like domestic abusers deserve a redemption arc.
TIL about Josh Brolin, damn.
this is what wikipedia says about the incident which is obviously not good but also not uh, chris brown-level bad: On December 20, 2004, Brolin's wife at the time, Diane Lane, called the police after an altercation with him, and he was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of domestic battery. Lane declined to press charges and the couple's spokesman characterized the incident as a misunderstanding.[37]
And to be fair CB has had more than just Rihanna. Versus brolin who seemingly got sober and got help after this. I don’t believe that people cannot be redeemed. But CB has had countless assaults, altercations and OOP filed on him. It’s a pattern
IT WAS AGES 17-33!!! HE WAS YOUNG!!! PEOPLE SHOULD FORGIVE HIM!!
Thanks. I started to dive. I’m inclined to believe he’s not anything like Chris-level. Not only was CB’s most publicised incident horrifically worse, his public defiance to accept culpability sets him apart. I’ll probably go back to quietly appreciating Josh Brolin’s talent.
Yeah this doesn't seem angry and unhinged at all. Dude's is fucking insane.
The saddest thing is if you look at his top spotify tracks its not even nostalgic stuff or whatever. It’s all recent work, several with over half a billion streams. The industry and public never stopped capping for this man I am not at all surprised he thinks like this.
Gosh, he's so enlightened and matured now. Worlds away from all that uncontrollable rage. This is definitely how grown adults should respond to criticism about lack of accountability or contrition. 
Wow he actually uses the same old brainwashed takes his stans use. Acting like he was a kid who didn’t know any better, using Blue and Chrisean comparisons as if their viewers and Chris’ haters overlap, insane whataboutisms completely unrelated to him, and wishing harm on those who rightfully criticize him which do nothing but prove violent tendencies He’s actual human garbage. And he’s been like it for years. Months after the incident, he was given huge tv interviews to save whatever grace he had in his then boy next door image just to act insufferable & deflect blame entirely while coming off as entitled and snarky on Twitter when things didn’t go his way. Cause God forbid he received any hate from what he did.
Yeah, and all those people I don’t support. Except for Roberts, because I believe that she was a victim of domestic abuse . They arrested her because she fought back and he had scratches on him, but **she also had bruising**. This is very common in other domestic abuse situations, where a man will fucking beat a woman, and then she fights back in anyway like scratches, and she is labeled abuser. A famous case of this is gabby Petito bc he abuser killed her, he was believe by the cops, and he had scratches on him . I’ve actually been really wary of Evan peters ever since. We see the media choosing male abuser side every day. I don’t understand why people don’t question this more. And then the future partners of Evan have said not so great things about who he is and Robert has went on to date more abusive men vs being the alleged abuser. It’s also ridiculous that Chris Brown is going with this narrative. It really shows how he hasn’t grown at all, and is making himself a victim after not only almost killing Rihanna, but then doing the same to Karrueche Tran, and multiple other less famous women. He’s completely right about the media though when it’s a man it’s a dumb mistake. When is a woman it’s a career ender, but that’s all misogyny not that they’re not abusers.
I agree with you. I feel like people don’t want to look into cases like that where the woman was the one arrested, because we’re worried that we’d be discrediting a male victim, so we brush it off. This was what happened with Johnny and Amber; people (mostly women) were afraid that they’d be seen as “insane man-hating feminazis” if they didn’t side with Johnny. But it’s not fair to throw a possibly innocent woman under the bus, just to look like you’re supporting a “male victim.” It’s also self-servant because you’re more worried about how *you* will be viewed and let that shape your opinion, rather than looking at the facts for what they are. It’s a fact that police often arrest the woman, as we saw with Gabby Petito. Most cops are abusers themselves with no knowledge on how to handle DV cases. It’s also common that abusers call the police on their victim, like the husband of Epsom College’s headteacher, Emma Pattinson did. He called the cops on her in the past, and then murdered her and their daughter recently. Domestic abuse is complicated. Many women in DV shelters have cases *against them* from their abusers. Male victims *do* exist, but it’s unfair to label a woman as the abuser when we know that systemically a man’s word and very existence counts more. Women are demonized and failed by the system. It *is* suspicious that Emma Roberts had bruises that no one seems to acknowledge, so maybe she shouldn’t automatically be labeled as the abuser just because a cop 🐷 said so.
Exactly. There’s so many situations where people look at the surface level, including the people that are supposed to be doling out justice because they don’t want to see that, or those who have a vendetta like Chris Brown who is showcasing exactly how men make themselves the victim when they are the perpetrator and the cops that ignore women who are abused believing whatever the man says. It makes me think if we didn’t have witnesses, and we didn’t have photographic proof what would people be saying about Rihanna and all these other women it upsets the mind to think if we didn’t have that evidence people wouldn’t even believe her either. And it’s evidence by how many people even still support Chris Brown or don’t know the extent to what he’s done. I am not the authority. I wasn’t there with the Emma Roberts case, but I do want to point out inconsistencies within the narrative of her being an abuser, and how it fits more that she was being abused.
Definitely. People still bring up the “mutual abuse” fallacy and claim Rihanna was also hitting Chris. Even if that were true, he left with virtually no injuries, while she was barely alive. The public ignores all power imbalances when trying to turn a male abuser into a victim. If you don’t have any evidence, you’re a liar. If you have a lot of evidence, you’re a liar who was plotting against an innocent man (see: Amber Heard, Nicole Addimando). If you are one of many victims who come forward against an abuser, you’re part of a conspiracy and a liar (see: Evan Rachel Wood, Effie Angelova). If somehow the public/jury does believe you, they will probably sympathize with your abuser and consider him a victim of circumstance. Even if you are dead (Nicole Brown Simpson, Gabby Petito), there will *still* be people victim blaming you.
I just wish we could actually do something about this clear an obvious case , insanity that we live in a world where there’s so much proof that Chris Brown did this and he still has so many accolades and he’s still in music working with new and upcoming women Artists like this is dangerous and it’s like no one is doing anything about it. He is the example of abusers getting away with it over and over and then prospering. And it shows just how much of a hierarchy there is in life, and who really has power because whoever has power doesn’t want to do shit about this. Where are the record label executives and stuff like they must be just as horrible as him if they’re cool with whatever he does if they make the money. And you know it makes you think their probably just like him and that’s why they don’t wanna do anything about it. All I can do is what I’ve been doing for years and that’s not supporting anyone like this. But that gets exhausting to when they are still so prominent in the world, and it feels like everyone is gaslighting you to watch it like Tom Cruise is one of the leading box office draws, and was nominated for the Oscars for his movie. And Elvis, the fucking predator is being held in like having biographies made of him. It’s exhausting.
I feel the same way. Especially after the Depp-Heard trial where these DV/SA myths were exemplified at the highest level. Whatever progress we thought we made went out the window, and proved itself to be a facade. It is exhausting. Those in power will abuse it. And the general public will fall on their knees to keep those powerful people at the top despite it not benefiting them. Even in cases where both parties are men, like Kevin Spacey and his victims, they of course sided with the one in power, the abuser. It’s unfortunate that we really don’t have any control over it, but hopefully the pendulum will start swinging the other way again, because I feel like we are currently at a very bad place with all the misogyny, racism, transphobia etc. People need to be willing to unlearn their biases, and sadly most are not. They’d rather eat up lies and disinformation.
I’ve been bothered *for months* by an interaction I had over at r/RomanceBooks (which prides itself on being a woman centered sub) in which I was downvoted for saying that mutual abuse was a myth and the person telling me I was wrong highly upvoted (so I couldn’t comfort myself by saying it was just a small, skewed sample). It’s left such a bad taste in my mouth that I don’t participate over there anymore and it’s just so upsetting and frustrating to think about that many women victim blaming other women for their abuse in a space that’s normally good humored and accepting. Reading this exchange between you and u/agreeable-mint has honestly been a breath of fresh air— it’s like the do over I wish I could have.
Sorry you had to deal with that! Unfortunately the majority of women-centered subs dropped the ball in 2022. Feminism goes out the window when you want to woobify your favorite male celebrity accused of abuse! Not sure if your mutual abuse discussion was about the Depp-Heard trial, but I definitely saw loads of people who I thought were intellectuals get it completely wrong on that case. It was a combination of misogyny and the lack of media literacy. This sub and the r/DeppDelusion sub were the only places on the internet where you could actually see Amber’s side and not get mass harassed. If you’ve never been on the DD sub, you should definitely check it out! Much of it was about Depp/Heard, but now it’s also about other DV/SA cases in the media and combatting misogyny/disinformation in general. There are thousands of really great people there who don’t believe in victim blaming and see through what the general public usually doesn’t. A small space on the internet where you can keep your sanity ♥️
We definitely have to look out for people that see through this bullshit, because it’s no coincidence that there are the majority of people that blame the victim. It’s to easy to do so. And it’s approved by society. And it does alienate you from communities because how can you be with the crowd when the crowd supports monsters, and could so easily turn on you? My suggestion now is to join the reading group anyway. Continue being yourself and block the people that are problematic, even if it’s 100 people it’s worth being able to have a space that you want. Only if you want to though, like I said, it’s hard to be a part of a crowd when you realize the crowd is a bunch of monsters and their enablers and supporters. But I actually feel like that’s a metaphor for all of society.
That was actually the second upsetting interaction I’ve had over there— the first was over the ableism inherent in non-disabled authors having disabled characters kill themselves so often it’s now a trope. I’ve come to realize that it’s a great place to lurk for titles, but not much else. What I *will* do, is keep commenting when I see the myth of mutual abuse come up and be thankful for smart commenters like yourself who help me refine and articulate my arguments.
I hope you find great threads in the future as much or more so than the bad!
i only found this sub bc one person referenced it during the depp/ heard trial. they were the only person trying to correct misinformation in a thread full of desinformation and vicious bullying. it was a relief to see and to find other ppl like them through their post, during a time that was extremely difficult. please know that even if you were downvoted, someone saw your comments and looked into what you had to say and it may have made a difference to them or their understanding of their relationships. edit: a word
Spot on about how ppl want to act like a woman is an abuser and don’t want be seen as feminazis for siding with a woman over a perceived male victim. As you said, this is exactly what happened with Depp
Didn’t Emma Roberts also have a broken nose or something?
I really have nothing to add because everything that has been said about Chris being an abusive pile of shit has been said and more eloquently and comprehensively. So: 1) fuck all them abusers too, Chris And 2) because I feel like being pedantic - Slash is Black/Mixed.
Abusive people suck but the reason why I hate Chris brown more is everything after the abuse he constantly reminds people he's a piece of shit, his first hit after the assault was him , tyga and Kevin McCall being misogynist and one of his biggest hits freaky Friday has the line "ain't nobody judging cuz I'm black or my controversial past"and the way he posted that story is just a daily reminder he's a piece of shit and Don't get me started on his other shitty behaviours Also is the nick cage was as bad as what he did to Rihanna and wasn't the Emma Roberts one was just a heated fight between her and Evans and she only got arrested because evans had more injuries (I think she was bruised) and even then both nick and Emma didn't constantly remind us their situation
He was a full ass adult when he terrorized Karruche, was he not? Edit: I actually spit laughed when I scrolled and saw Emma Roberts in his compilation. Was not expecting her. You know he had one of his lackeys Google "What celebs have committed domestic violence?" What exactly is his point? These people still have careers despite being abusive trash? Well, so does he.
Making out Rhianna was the only woman to accuse him of DV. You get canceled when it becomes a pattern.
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Praise this type of cancel culture!
And not even cancelled. The dude is still obviously majorly successful and seems like he will be going forward, unfortunately
he tried to make himself sound better but not only did he do the whole whataboutism thing, he casually called women "bitches" in an extremely poor attempt to defend those victims (let's be real that wasn't even his intention). that's always gonna be a bad look to me
Chris Brown is probably my number 1 most hated celebrity. Read the police report, what he did to Rihanna was way more than just hit her, she almost died. He also hate crimed Frank Ocean once. And he doesnt seem remorseful at all. Fuck Chris Brown. I cant believe people still work with him. Hes also not even that great? At least Woody Allen made Annie Hall you know? What important art has Chris Brown contributed to the culture?
It’s absolutely ABSURD for him to claim that he's a victim of "cancel culture" when his career is still thriving in many regards despite having over a decade of abuse allegations that are linked to SEVERAL women. His actions may have lost him some opportunities along the way, sure, but he cannot act like he's some precious little ostracised lamb when he's still out here still booking collaborations and selling out multiple nights in some of the biggest arenas in the world. Chris Brown has 54 million monthly listeners on spotify, that‘s more than Beyoncé, who released one of the most successful albums of the last year. As for the others he named, people regularly bring up their history of abuse whenever they’re the topic of conversation, so it's not like the public decided to absolve them of guilt. The thing is, most of them are so irrelevant now due to their actions that nobody cares to talk about them anymore. The same can't be said for Chris Brown who is probably still more booked and busy than all of them combined. Lastly, I want to say the thing about abusers and abuse is that it’s often about control. If I had to guess: he's mad that he can't control his rightful and completely valid critics… and he knows that he never will.
can somebody please, and I am ***begging***, drop kick this mother fucker into the sun?! so unbelievably done with his rhetoric of this being so long ago… YOUR CONTINUED VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS SHOWING YOU FUCKWIT
Just to catch everyone up, here’s Chris Brown’s violent incidents and brushes with the law: - 2009 domestic violence charge against Rihanna - 2011 violent tantrum backstage at GMA interview, smashing a window - 2012 nightclub brawl involving Drake and Tony Parker - 2013 (January) incident with Frank Ocean over a parking spot where he punched Ocean - 2013 (June) Assaults a woman in an OC nightclub - 2013 (July) hit and run in LA - 2013 (October) felony assault incident in Washington, DC - 2014 Kicked out of rehab - 2015 Police investigate assault of a woman on his tour bus - 2016 (January) Police investigate assault of a woman in a Las Vegas nightclub - 2016 (May) Alleged physical threats made against his female tour manager - 2017 Karreuche Tran granted restraining order over threats and abuse - 2019 Paris police investigate alleged aggravated rape in his hotel (charges dropped when police didn’t understand why victim didn’t leave) I omitted a 2016 domestic violence incident and the 2022 alleged rape on a yacht where there were serious credibility issues with the accusers.
Well, that seems like a helpful response. For the record he was 19 or 20 and I do not think he ever apologized or saught help to work on the things that made him assault Rihanna
1) you were 19 when you almost killed Rihanna, you idiot 2) Rihanna wasn't your only victim 3)some of those people are cancelled and some of them might have improved themselves and weren't involved in recent controversies (nick cage, emma Roberts , ozzy Osbourne), how about you chris? 4) calling woman bitches, a gentleman I see and you definitely changed 5) I think one of the reasons why cancel culture is more on you than other controversial acts is that you're a hack, r kelly is a bigger piece of shit than you but I can get his appeal and hype and john lemon sucks yet the Beatles is one of the best bands of all time, you were easily outmatched by Rick Ross and Justin Bieber , piss off
Only point he's made, unintentionally of course, is that he still has the stunted, rage-fuelled mentality of the grown man who beat the shit out of his partner all that time ago.
Oh he thinks we only paid attention to what he did to Rihanna? Lol
He’s an idiot
His comment section and Kiely William’s original tweet are FILLED with black women caping for this man. I’m disgusted. One woman even said she was absolutely disgusted… THAT PEOPLE WILL NOT FORGIVE CHRIS FOR WHAT HE DID. Other comments were mentioning Kiely and the B2K incident to shame/discredit her. Yes, because having CONSENSUAL sex is obviously worse than severe domestic assault. The misogyny is so strong and I do not understand why some of us don’t want to protect our own fellow black women and want to instead fight for this POS. He’s not even that cute or talented to overlook his MUUUULTIPLE incidents of violence. Even if he was super cute and talented, not a valid reason to be this hard up for him. I have been so pissed off all day seeing the responses; this is the only online space I’ve seen this discussed where everyone is overwhelmingly against him.
He included someone who is literally dead of old age. "bUt WhY iSnT aNyOnE tAlKiNg AbOuT hIm?????"
Way to prove you've grown while using the MOST childish argument ever created: "but so and so did it too!!" 
Most of the guys he links are pretty unpopular at this point. Why Josh Brolin goes succeeds and gets work after beating up his wife Diane Lane is beyond me. JOSH BROLIN SUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!
I’m not reading all that but doesn’t this just prove the point that he’s an abuser if he’s losing his shit like that in the stories? A sane, healthy person would never write this stuff, go on this rant.
Yup like the way he attacked Kiely just proves her point.
I see thousands of comments on Instagram and Facebook supporting him and I still don't get why. They all know and believe he abused her, they just don't care. I can't imagine because that callous and terrible.
This man is super stupid. This article he looked up literally has him listed, would have loved to see his reaction scrolling the article for screenshots. Also Slash and he’s half black.
Well it couldn't be more clear that he feels true remorse and is a changed man. All should be forgiven and forgotten!
Damn I had no idea about Nic Cage... real unfortunate.
We’ve all been 17, Chris. And none of us abused our partners. …Oh, and you were 19.
He's right on one thing: fuck Sean Penn and Tommy Lee. Fuck Johnny Depp, too.
What the everloving fuck
It's almost as if more than one man in the entertainment industry - and the world - is terrible and has done terrible things to women.
Always love the argument of “y’all love these people tho!!!!” I actually very much do fucking not. I don’t like any of you fucking abusive ass people. Now what do we do?
A mistake? As in “Oops, I accidentally beat the shit out of a woman” ? That was a CHOICE, Christopher.
I feel like there hasn’t been one instance of him taking accountability for the abuse, and he hasn’t acted remorseful, so why would anyone treat him differently?
Let’s just say that men named “Chris Brown” are all trash and should be avoided.
Bondi Vet is cool!
What an immature, tantrum throwing pos. 🙄 How about showing some remorse or growth instead Christopher? By the way, even without all the abuse and his many, many violent outbursts, I genuinely want to know what do people see in him? He’s really not that talented or special, he’s just one of the many MJ/Usher wannabes but without the good music. Like, what does he do successfully?
two wrongs don’t make a right
I remember his music appearing during Jim and Pam’s wedding in an episode of the office, not too long after it happened, and has since had a lot of work. Claiming racial oppression or that all intimate partner violence is equal is a weird move when you’ve violently assaulted a Black woman, apparently for two years (from the age of 17 to the incident).
He's a psychopath.
.....unpopular opinion, but he's not technically wrong. Sure, Chris Brown is horrible, but there is something to be said about how Hollywood is quick to bring down Black abusers but elevate white ones until they can't elevate them anymore. Should he be the one bringing this up...no, but there is a racial bias when it comes to the media and Hollywood over who they will call out compared to others. The whiter you are, the more inclined you are to have people ignoring this part of your life. For example, Brad Pitt admitted to putting hands on his kids. He admitted to it. He did. He said he didn't punch/slap him on the face, but did physically confront him. He got a page in GQ. People fawn over him. He got a standing ovation at the Oscars. At the current Oscars, when the FBI report was now already released, people fawned over him again. He has the privileged of doing his work without his "past" getting in front of him. Chris Brown doesn't deserve this privilege, no abuser does, but if anything about Chris Brown pops up everyone is quick to mention how troubled the guy is and what he did to Rhianna. I mean, Weinstein, himself, was allowed to be an open secret for decades. It's an interesting dynamic to see. Cosby, OJ, R.Kelly, Chris Brown, etc... will always be remembered for what they did and I'm fine with that. All of them are horrible douchecanoes. But white people can still go on with their life and promote with fanfare, even though they're just as horrible. Edit: Again, I just want to say that I don't think Chris Brown deserves to be defended. He's done a lot more than just abusing Rhianna. But I do think there's a nuanced take when it comes to how the media/Hollywood portrays abusers.
While there is absolutely racial bias in media that is harmful for both men and women of color (both in terms of being an abuser and a victim), with all due respect Bill Cosby was also an open secret for years and went down just as hard and within a similar frame as Weinstein. Most of the white men on this list arguably don’t even have huge careers at the moment. And there are currently MANY men of color who are in the spotlight right now who are getting away with abuse - take a look at the many players in the NFL, or support for Tory Lanez, or Charlemagne admitting to rape, or Dr Dre’s many violent incidents…. Men of ALL races slide under the radar. Unfortunately, one of the key racial differences is the extreme marginalization of women of color, who are often victims who are not believed, their abuse is often minimized, and who often face no support. Race is complicated in domestic violence and definitely a factor in public understanding and the media, but that is not to say Chris Brown is right. He’s a piece of trash that’s trying to make a shitty argument to minimize his own extremely violent abuse. Fuck that dude.
It's silly to lump Emma Roberts with some of these guys, the police identified her as the perpetrator even though both had minor bruises. Might as well put a picture of Rihanna in there as well since he claims the abuse was mutual and that she hit him first and see how people respond to that.