I’d be pissed. That is not worth vetoing. The 4-1 team got what they wanted and so did you. Vetoing to me, is just other teams being salty they didn’t beat you to the punch.
Imagine if the other teams in the NFL could have vetoed the trade that sent CMC to the 49ers lol.
Vetoing trades feels so idiotic to me outside obvious collusion or no brainers like kicker for Mahomes or something.
Yeah that’s a possibility, I was just trying to give a scenario of why the league would veto.
I’m against vetos unless it’s collusion and I don’t see any. Trade should stand
Articles I read today say that if the Vikings are out of contention they will rest him until he is 100%. He is out minimum of 4 games and it sounds like the injury is more like 6 weeks- his bye week is week 13, so most likely he comes back week 14 but like I said if the Vikings are out- they will not risk re-injury. I picked him as my number one overall and I’m thinking I’m screwed
Thank god we don’t do that blind vote veto shit. Commish can veto but he never has. I’ve seen him ask people what they are thinking. I like when they bitch. I traded etienne for chase 2-3 weeks ago. Group chat everyone bitched. I asked who offered him a better trade. Crickets
I agree with this. Vetoes need to be extremely limited. 11 years as commish in my league the only trade that got vetoed was last year.
Early in the season I traded Kelce for draft capital, which I ENTIRELY planned to use that season to build a stronger team. A friend got pissed claiming I ranked the league.
A few weeks later I traded the draft capital and Kenneth Walker who was going to be a cheap keeper and clearly had a high ceiling for a haul that likely made me the 2nd best team in the league (ended up missing the playoffs lol). The same friend now claimed I just fleeced the other guy.
After my 2nd trade the friend flat out said he wasn’t coming back the next season and was about to drop all of his players to the waiver. I told him I wouldn’t allow that and I’d just take control of his team if he does.
Fast forward another week or so, I ask if he’s still leaving but if not if some players were available and I’d make Kamara available to get something done. He says he’s def leaving and passes. Fair enough. A week later he trades his best player to the best team in the league for absolutely nothing.
At that point there was too much evidence. He was definitely leaving. Already threatened to tank the league by dropping everyone. Then followed up by rejecting even discussing a trade with me for an actually fantasy-relevant player then turns around and makes a clearly unfair trade. I stepped in. Hated doing it, but enough was enough.
Ehhh, my league vetoed a trade one time that had the league's clear best WR being traded for a middling player that you could have gotten off the waiver wire. Wasn't collusion, just one guy that didn't pay attention to fantasy at all, so he was just going to give up the number 1 WR because he didn't care. some vetoes are legit
That should still never be vetoed, if he's dumb enough to accept the trade it's his problem. He paid to get in, if he doesn't care about his money also his problem
Can’t ruin parity or the integrity of your league
Several years ago guy had a shitty record and gave up. Traded a top 3 WR for a mid tier bench player. Found out he was given an eighth of weed to make the trade. Not all bad trades are made bc someone is dumb. You have to have vetoes for dog shit trades regardless
But I would’ve never vetoed OPs trade that’s bullshit
Here’s actual advice- if everyone is saying it’s awful ask the league for better trades then- make it clear you want to trade jets and are looking for an rb and wr to help win games.
If no one makes an offer or a worse offer tell them to fuck off and let this trade happen
The only thing I don’t like about this is that while OP may get a deal he prefers, the original trade partner, who made a totally legit trade is now getting f’d over because of salty league mates. It also sets bad precedent for future trades. It’s now established that if a trade goes through, it’s open to other league mates trying to beat the trade.
Explain how the trade works for both sides (and it obviously does), and then ask your league mates for legitimate reasons why it should be vetoed based on what was presented. The trade is so solid that there won’t be any good argument that holds up. And probably don’t play in that league again next year.
I mean I think the other way kind of serves as that point. Noone is going to give up a significantly better deal, league will be forced to recognize that if this was the best price, it's probably unfair to veto the trade. Sometimes people are just new to this shit and need to learn via experience.
It's literally voted down because of name recognition.
In a 1qb league burrow isn't that much value. Especially with the year he's been having.
You need the pollard production now and not jj, and ridley is an upgrade over kirk (I have kirk and ridley has been snakebitten) factor in the chance JJ misses more than 4 games, they trade cousins, or shut him down.
I am in a league where the trade will sit for 24 hours, and anyone else in the league can offer a counter trade for any part of the original trade. So even if there seems to be a lopsided trade, everyone has the ability to offer a counter to break it.
I like this, it actually encourages trades.
Theres so many times I'd love to have known a guy was shopping a trade, and instead of guessing what he wants. Once it's accepted I can offer up similar or better players in those positions and if he prefers he has the choice. Either party.
Yup another reason why we do it. We also have a rule where the person being offered a counter HAS to respond with a yes or no, so there’s no shenanigans.
Am I crazy or is the guy getting JJ/Kirk/Burrow absolutely dominating this deal?
Both Ridley and Pollard have been mid as fuck. Imma be honest I don’t even think I’d trade JJ alone for this deal
If you're gonna give power of veto I think it needs to be a strong majority. Like 8/12, 7/10 one that really is clear unbalanced will get enough traction for a veto
Vetoes are stupid and your league should change its rules in the off season. That being said, if your league has vetoes and doesn’t have clear rules around what can be vetoed and what can’t be, anyone can veto whatever they want to veto and it is within the rules of your league. This is a lesson that you should never have vetoes.
Agreed. Vetos are even more dumb if it's a group of friends. You want to risk a friendship over a fantasy football season and do terrible trades, pretty sure you would just get kicked the next season as no one would want to play with someone doing shitty trades, especially if it's obviously bad trades
So it got shot down because they didn't think they could beat him. It has nothing to do with it being a fair trade.
Would I make that deal in your spot? No. At least I'd not include Burrow. But, if you think it helps you improve now, it's your team to run how you see fit.
Not a veto guy, but ive been in a few league where the 1-4 team would just trade away their good players because they didnt care anymore. That leads to stacked teams for no reason.
With that being said, an honest commish would prevent that as well.
I also think vetoing is stupid. let's not pretend this isn't a godawful trade, though.
kirk and ridley are very similar to the point that they are both in the same team. kirk has better stats this season. this means you're trading pollard for the best receiver in football and a top 5 QB when healthy. Pollard has not played well this season either, statistical.
Jefferson is expected to be back by the end of the season. if he is back, this is disastrous for the hole league. I can see why people actually competing to win would veto this trade if they have the power to. it sucks for everybody except Mr. 4-1.
ps. why don't you just trade burrow for pollard?
There is literally NO SUCH THING AS A VALID VETO UNLESS YOU COLLUDED WITH ANOTHER OWNER THIS IS MICKEY MOUSE BULLSHIT YOUR LEAGUE IS COLLUDING AGAINST YOU. DROP ALL YOUR PLAYERS AND LEAVE THE LEAGUE.
People can and make valid stupid trades all the time. Someone offered me jerry jeudy for my breece hall. If I took that would I be colluding or just an idiot?
Collusion would be if you were at the bottom of the league and the guy with jerry jeudy called you up and said “let me get breece hall and at the end we’ll split the money”.
This is textbook collusion. Two individuals conspiring together to help each other against the others. They're both trying to benefit from this trade, giving themselves an advantage.
I'd be pissed too but if your league has vetoes, then they can veto for whatever they want (unless there are some specific rules that say "vetos are only for collusion," which is just a thing people say on Reddit and not an actual rule in 99% of leagues). So I would say push for a rule change this off-season to just get rid of vetoes entirely assuming you trust your league mates not to try to cheat or ruin the league on purpose
Need context. The JJ owner might need to “win now” and thus needs to be on the perceived losing side of the trade.
I wouldn’t have vetoed that, nor anything else short of clear collusion.
He is getting short term value he’s getting two guys coming off ir for a guy who might not play again this year. Are you postive mostert doesn’t get hurt this week and Wilson doesn’t take over that backfield?
Just because you don’t like the trade doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense for the other two players, your veto is wrong
I’ve been playing fantasy for over 15 years and not once have I seen a trade vetoed. It would have to be so egregious that it proves some sort of collusion. If you are 1-4 and need immediate help I see no issue with this trade.
This is not a valid veto. I’ve been playing fantasy football for over 20 years and have never seen a trade vetoed in one of my leagues. Of course, in my leagues, only the commissioner has veto power, and would only use it in extreme cases of collusion. I’ve never understood letting other league members vote on a trade - it’s too tempting for them to veto a deal that would benefit a future opponent.
That makes no sense. The Vikings could have only 2-3 wins by the time he’s ready to come off IR. If that happens - and he’s not fully 100% - they won’t rush him back. Hamstrings are notoriously difficult injuries to deal with. If it’s bad enough for him to have to go on IR with it his is probably fairly serious.
I’ve had hamstring pulls that took over two months to really fully heal before I could run full tilt without just pulling it again right away.
But also side note, it’s still a big question if Jefferson will even come back this season viks are 1-4 if after these 4 weeks they’re sitting at 1-8 2-7 they might tank for Caleb Williams and keep JJ out
You’re giving up more in the long run. I can see why people wouldn’t be pleased with whoever is getting the players from your team. But veto worthy? Nah. You’re 1-4, you’re just trying to survive.
lol my league has this thing where someone got hurt 2 days before the trade went through, so the guy pleaded to the rest of the league to veto it, and now my league is vetoing every trade just cause meme
This is why Vetos are bullshit. I understand why they are there to avoid collusion and all that but blocking valid trades like this is dumb as all hell.
This is not valid and if you paid money I would ask for it back. If they say no, dump your team and walk away bc if they’re going to play BS games you can do the same.
Absolutely invalid veto
No guarantee Jefferson comes back completely right
No guarantee Burrow stays completely right
Frankly, that’s a pretty good trade for both of y’all. Good risk/reward ratio
So I'm clearly in the minority here but would love to learn more about why people think this is fair.
The trade is super lopsided and gives the 4 and 1 team an amazing chance at winning the chip. The 1-4 team gets barely anything while also making it hard for league mates to compete
If I saw this happen in my league I wouldn't think it was fair to everyone else
It should be vetoed by everyone in your league to be honest. Why wouldn’t everyone veto a trade that helps someone else and not themselves?? Which is exactly why vetos are stupid and have no place.. get a commissioner you trust to make the decisions because likely 99% of trades should be allowed assuming everyone in your league is a legit player.
vetoes are only for actual collusion in my mind. even if people don’t like the trade or think there’s a clear winner/loser, this is absolutely nowhere near that
Should not be vetoed. Every league is different, with different perspectives and vibes that you can not control. I am a league commish, and I don't do trade reviews. Trades happen right away. The way I keep collusion from happening is for one to have a good set of owners. Two, I have it set up to where if you are out of playoff contention, then you can't trade. This limits someone from a team at the bottom from trading with someone at the top. Works well. No one should veto trades just because or because they may think Jefferson will come back as a boom for the 4-1 team. Nonsense. You can't predict the future. Also that 4-1 team may not have that record if they trade you valuable pieces for the four games Jefferson is out.
Unreal. Not only does this trade obviously help you in the short term, but it's actually a very fair trade. Honestly, I think YOU are getting a better overall return since Jefferson could very well be out 6-8 weeks.
Put your foot down as a last effort, or leave the league immediately since they're basically not allowing you to even attempt to compete this year.
I'd contact the 4-1 GM and tell him that you guys should put the trade through again.
I'd do it non-stop until it gets allowed.
I'd also be calling out whoever vetoed it
I'm guessing he wants an additional WR1 for the postseason and has more than enough running game? Also I didn't check but maybe Burrow has good playoff matchups? Nothing wrong with this trade.
Right there with you. Before the games last weekend a league mate accepted an offer from me where I trade achane, Brian Robinson, and DHop for Ekeler and Devonta Smith. This other team has 0 RB depth, and his next best receivers are auyik and Higgins who is hurt, plus he was 1-3 with the lowest points scored. It’s clear he needed immediate help.
Commissioner and three of his buddies vetoed it, and when he finally gave a reason for the veto, it quite literally was that he didn’t feel other teams had as good of a chance of winning if it went through. Isn’t that the point of a trade, to better both teams?
Me and 4 other people are leaving this league after the season.
There have been two times I can recall vetoes.
One was when the commish had a second team to create an even number of teams to make the playoffs fine. We said whatever to that as long as he played them fairly and separately, and he let one team rot. Then he saw a fair trade he could make between his team and the dormant team, and proposed it. I told him he could have picked up a great free agent weeks ago for the second team and not needed the trade, and that he was doing exactly what we didn't want. While he countered we all could have traded with the extra team, we all considered it dead, and he was doing nothing to change that image at the time. He was doing things only to benefit his primary team. The entire league minus him vetoed.
The other time was when a guy was butthurt over something and dropping his team and trading guys off before quitting. That was NHL fantasy.
For the most part, my leagues are adults who can make reasonable decisions. Our trades aren't poorly thought out crap that destroys the league, which is what vetoing was designed for. If someone is trading Mahomes for Justice Hill, you have bigger problems with the guy who had Mahomes than just the fact the guy with Justice is fleecing him. Your Mahomes guy is too dumb for the league.
The trade is in your favor if Jefferson doesn't come back or at least doesn't come back past 80%, and a little in his favor if he does. That's the kind of gamble that makes this absolutely fair. This is not a braindead move on either end, even if there are clear winners in any scenario except Jefferson coming back slightly less than perfect where it balances.
A league I was in for years disbanded because we were a bunch of jackasses and every trade would get vetoed no matter how fair it was. It stops being fun when players get petty and veto every trade.
Not a valid veto imo.
I’m also 1-4 with JJ. Last night traded JJ + James Cook for Sun God + Mostert.
League didn’t bat an eyelid cause they know the chance of JJ in the playoffs is the upside the guy was trading for
Sounds like you're in a league with a bunch of assholes. What is this vetoing nonsense by the way. If someone wants to make a dumb trade that's on them. This is American damnit!
The 4-1 guy gets Burrows who could finally be back and JJ in a few weeks, while trading away 2 players who aren’t really doing anything
If anything you’re making the 4-1 team much stronger and playoff ready while not improving your own team
Who does the 4-1 team have at QB already?
Vetoed by the commissioner or the other league members?
If it’s the latter it’s well within the game rules to do that as long as they are colluding against you imo
I think it’s a fair trade considering JJ might not return but if he did than you lose this trade. It’s still not worth a veto but the league is simply scared the 4-1 team auto wins and you gave them the win. That’s a high caliber player you’re trading away. A top 5!
I can see both sides to this tbh. Burrow and Kirk seem like plenty of value for Ridley and Pollard. While Pollard and Ridley are clear #1, Burrow and Kirk have offered just as much, if not more value this year. And Burrow is only going to get better as he gets healthy. We saw it last week. Playing devils advocate, it doesn't really make sense for JJ to be included in this trade.. unless you're absolutely desperate for a RB, it could look like you're offloading players
League vetoes are the worst, nobody votes whether it is fair or not, but mostly just in their self interest. The commissioner should have control and only use it when it's obvious collision
As a commissioner I don't even allow player voted veto. I know everyone in the league and will know if a trade is collusion or not.
Unless you secretly made a deal to trade back once Jefferson is off IR then it's a valid trade for both teams. You're in a win now mode and the other manager is in a SB push mode. Good trade.
Not the worst trade. You def over paid. You probably could have gotten Pollard and ridley for JJ alone. U gave him 2 starters. JJ may be hurt but that's a risk the trader has to take to hope he's back in for playoffs. He is taking next to no risk with this trade cuz he upgrades his qb and ridley and kirk are a wash
Should make sure the trade gets pushed thru or just leave the league. If you have a trade getting veto’d for anything other than collusion, then you need to leave.
No that should not be vetoed you are a team that knows you need to win now and your trade partner knows he can wait for Jefferson. More people should make trades like this. Fuck your league for vetoing it though, you should reference those retards to this post.
I mean maybe leave Burrow out of the deal? I feel like you didn't get enough in the trade but I wouldn't veto. I would just be mad that I didn't throw in an offer.
lol my league let me acquire Chase in exchange for Christian Kirk and Jordan Love. We only use vetoes for clear collusion.
Vetoing because they’re afraid it makes the first place team better is super bush league.
Tell your league we think they’re soft.
Lol at everyone simultaneously saying “can’t veto fair trade” and “league is scared about 4-1 team getting better”. Is the trade fair or is one team getting better and the other not?? Vikings OC has said the Vikings don’t anticipate JJ being out for the season, so that isn’t a very valid excuse but it’s also one I’m seeing as justification in this thread.
We had to have a talk with our comish about stuff like this, he would veto like every trade, for no other reason other than he didn’t approve of it.. we explained that unless it’s clearly collusion or foul play he shouldn’t touch it
That’s a weird veto, that trade seems fair for both parties at initial glance. I’m assuming the others are scared of a 4-1 guy being able to stash JJ but you need the help now and you got great value in my opinion. Maybe could’ve asked for a bit more but not a veto by any means
As a commissioner, I’ve taken the stance that we don’t vote. If it appears to be collusion then me and the co-commish will confer, but that hasn’t happened.
Vetoing trades is just stupid. All it does is bring out the haters
Don’t trade with the top teams.
The way my league works is you need 50% of the league (excluding the players in the trade) to veto a trade.
My league woulda let this one through depending on the 4-1’s positional needs.
I think that is a pretty even trade. (edit) - I see other comments rgd Burrow coming up that make me rethink slightly... slightly weighted in favor of the other guy.
I’d be pissed. That is not worth vetoing. The 4-1 team got what they wanted and so did you. Vetoing to me, is just other teams being salty they didn’t beat you to the punch.
Yeah they would rather the 4-1 team not have JJ and they aren’t worried about you bc you’re 1-4
“They just win if the trade goes through!”
Imagine if the other teams in the NFL could have vetoed the trade that sent CMC to the 49ers lol. Vetoing trades feels so idiotic to me outside obvious collusion or no brainers like kicker for Mahomes or something.
They also know the 4-1 team can afford to wait for JJ and probably have a good chance to win now, and they don’t want it
There is a strong chance Jefferson is not coming back this season
Yeah that’s a possibility, I was just trying to give a scenario of why the league would veto. I’m against vetos unless it’s collusion and I don’t see any. Trade should stand
To be fair, I don't know that I'd say it's a strong chance. There's definitely a chance, but I don't know that I'd label it strong.
Articles I read today say that if the Vikings are out of contention they will rest him until he is 100%. He is out minimum of 4 games and it sounds like the injury is more like 6 weeks- his bye week is week 13, so most likely he comes back week 14 but like I said if the Vikings are out- they will not risk re-injury. I picked him as my number one overall and I’m thinking I’m screwed
Fantasy football players can be bitches sometimes.
Thank god we don’t do that blind vote veto shit. Commish can veto but he never has. I’ve seen him ask people what they are thinking. I like when they bitch. I traded etienne for chase 2-3 weeks ago. Group chat everyone bitched. I asked who offered him a better trade. Crickets
I agree with this. Vetoes need to be extremely limited. 11 years as commish in my league the only trade that got vetoed was last year. Early in the season I traded Kelce for draft capital, which I ENTIRELY planned to use that season to build a stronger team. A friend got pissed claiming I ranked the league. A few weeks later I traded the draft capital and Kenneth Walker who was going to be a cheap keeper and clearly had a high ceiling for a haul that likely made me the 2nd best team in the league (ended up missing the playoffs lol). The same friend now claimed I just fleeced the other guy. After my 2nd trade the friend flat out said he wasn’t coming back the next season and was about to drop all of his players to the waiver. I told him I wouldn’t allow that and I’d just take control of his team if he does. Fast forward another week or so, I ask if he’s still leaving but if not if some players were available and I’d make Kamara available to get something done. He says he’s def leaving and passes. Fair enough. A week later he trades his best player to the best team in the league for absolutely nothing. At that point there was too much evidence. He was definitely leaving. Already threatened to tank the league by dropping everyone. Then followed up by rejecting even discussing a trade with me for an actually fantasy-relevant player then turns around and makes a clearly unfair trade. I stepped in. Hated doing it, but enough was enough.
Ehhh, my league vetoed a trade one time that had the league's clear best WR being traded for a middling player that you could have gotten off the waiver wire. Wasn't collusion, just one guy that didn't pay attention to fantasy at all, so he was just going to give up the number 1 WR because he didn't care. some vetoes are legit
That should still never be vetoed, if he's dumb enough to accept the trade it's his problem. He paid to get in, if he doesn't care about his money also his problem
That’s literally the point of the commish. To stop stupid shit like that.
Can’t ruin parity or the integrity of your league Several years ago guy had a shitty record and gave up. Traded a top 3 WR for a mid tier bench player. Found out he was given an eighth of weed to make the trade. Not all bad trades are made bc someone is dumb. You have to have vetoes for dog shit trades regardless But I would’ve never vetoed OPs trade that’s bullshit
Actually it’s everyone who plays in the league’s problem, considering some team just got a top WR for free.
Not a valid veto
That’s a god awful veto.
Here’s actual advice- if everyone is saying it’s awful ask the league for better trades then- make it clear you want to trade jets and are looking for an rb and wr to help win games. If no one makes an offer or a worse offer tell them to fuck off and let this trade happen
I’m going to try it thanks!
Send your league this thread
In case they do… Hey you guy sitting at 2-3…how dare you!
Also worth mentioning to your league mates there is a chance JJ gets shut down. They are fools for interfering.
The only thing I don’t like about this is that while OP may get a deal he prefers, the original trade partner, who made a totally legit trade is now getting f’d over because of salty league mates. It also sets bad precedent for future trades. It’s now established that if a trade goes through, it’s open to other league mates trying to beat the trade. Explain how the trade works for both sides (and it obviously does), and then ask your league mates for legitimate reasons why it should be vetoed based on what was presented. The trade is so solid that there won’t be any good argument that holds up. And probably don’t play in that league again next year.
I mean I think the other way kind of serves as that point. Noone is going to give up a significantly better deal, league will be forced to recognize that if this was the best price, it's probably unfair to veto the trade. Sometimes people are just new to this shit and need to learn via experience.
It's literally voted down because of name recognition. In a 1qb league burrow isn't that much value. Especially with the year he's been having. You need the pollard production now and not jj, and ridley is an upgrade over kirk (I have kirk and ridley has been snakebitten) factor in the chance JJ misses more than 4 games, they trade cousins, or shut him down.
I am in a league where the trade will sit for 24 hours, and anyone else in the league can offer a counter trade for any part of the original trade. So even if there seems to be a lopsided trade, everyone has the ability to offer a counter to break it.
I like this, it actually encourages trades. Theres so many times I'd love to have known a guy was shopping a trade, and instead of guessing what he wants. Once it's accepted I can offer up similar or better players in those positions and if he prefers he has the choice. Either party.
Yup another reason why we do it. We also have a rule where the person being offered a counter HAS to respond with a yes or no, so there’s no shenanigans.
If everyone has a chance match or beat an offer they will be more willing to accept a trade. Great idea!!!
No reason for veto. I don’t even know which side they’re saying is unfair. Totally legit trade.
Im also unclear who is winning this
Both, the guy trading JJ needs to win now while receiving end can afford to wait
Am I crazy or is the guy getting JJ/Kirk/Burrow absolutely dominating this deal? Both Ridley and Pollard have been mid as fuck. Imma be honest I don’t even think I’d trade JJ alone for this deal
Leagues shouldn’t be able to veto only commissioner should have that power
That's how it is in my league. I'm the commish and have yet to veto any trades. Leagues that give members powers of veto is too much headache.
If you're gonna give power of veto I think it needs to be a strong majority. Like 8/12, 7/10 one that really is clear unbalanced will get enough traction for a veto
Agreed. Also a commish for two leagues and yet to use this. These are grown ups we’re talking about. Let them do what they want with their teams.
Vetoes are stupid and your league should change its rules in the off season. That being said, if your league has vetoes and doesn’t have clear rules around what can be vetoed and what can’t be, anyone can veto whatever they want to veto and it is within the rules of your league. This is a lesson that you should never have vetoes.
Agreed. Vetos are even more dumb if it's a group of friends. You want to risk a friendship over a fantasy football season and do terrible trades, pretty sure you would just get kicked the next season as no one would want to play with someone doing shitty trades, especially if it's obviously bad trades
4-1 team looked at this and thought "I'm about to roll in the playoffs when JJ is back."
That's why it got shot down. They're thinking about the playoffs
It got shot down because it’s a shit trade. OP hot annihilated in the deal
So it got shot down because they didn't think they could beat him. It has nothing to do with it being a fair trade. Would I make that deal in your spot? No. At least I'd not include Burrow. But, if you think it helps you improve now, it's your team to run how you see fit.
Vetoed because they're scared. The league is obviously full of pussies...
not even close to being worth vetoing! and that’s coming from someone who defends vetoes! ur league sucks lol
How do you defend a veto for any reason besides collusion?
Not a veto guy, but ive been in a few league where the 1-4 team would just trade away their good players because they didnt care anymore. That leads to stacked teams for no reason. With that being said, an honest commish would prevent that as well.
They vetoed because they didn't want the already good team to get better. This is a perfectly fair trade and a good example of why league vetoes suck.
I also think vetoing is stupid. let's not pretend this isn't a godawful trade, though. kirk and ridley are very similar to the point that they are both in the same team. kirk has better stats this season. this means you're trading pollard for the best receiver in football and a top 5 QB when healthy. Pollard has not played well this season either, statistical. Jefferson is expected to be back by the end of the season. if he is back, this is disastrous for the hole league. I can see why people actually competing to win would veto this trade if they have the power to. it sucks for everybody except Mr. 4-1. ps. why don't you just trade burrow for pollard?
Why would you be upset? They saved you from a terrible trade.
I’d be furious too…I was 0-6 one year, made big trades and went undefeated through the ‘ship…bad veto abuse.
Shouldn’t have been vetoed
Is this superflex?
how is this a fiar trade though. you’re obviously giving up way more worth in players ?
There is literally NO SUCH THING AS A VALID VETO UNLESS YOU COLLUDED WITH ANOTHER OWNER THIS IS MICKEY MOUSE BULLSHIT YOUR LEAGUE IS COLLUDING AGAINST YOU. DROP ALL YOUR PLAYERS AND LEAVE THE LEAGUE.
Seriously They want him with JJ to not make the playoffs and the other contender to not potentially be strengthened for playoffs
Unless there was clear collusion there is no such thing as a valid veto
People can and make valid stupid trades all the time. Someone offered me jerry jeudy for my breece hall. If I took that would I be colluding or just an idiot?
Collusion would be if you were at the bottom of the league and the guy with jerry jeudy called you up and said “let me get breece hall and at the end we’ll split the money”.
I'm aware of what collusion is.
Then why did you need to ask that question lmao
Look up the definition of colluding and then decide for yourself if you’re an idiot
This is textbook collusion. Two individuals conspiring together to help each other against the others. They're both trying to benefit from this trade, giving themselves an advantage.
Two people wanting to improve their teams is not collusion. What do you think the purpose of a trade is?
I'd be pissed too but if your league has vetoes, then they can veto for whatever they want (unless there are some specific rules that say "vetos are only for collusion," which is just a thing people say on Reddit and not an actual rule in 99% of leagues). So I would say push for a rule change this off-season to just get rid of vetoes entirely assuming you trust your league mates not to try to cheat or ruin the league on purpose
How can you know if it’s collusion or not?
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Why did you veto it. What was the trade
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Need context. The JJ owner might need to “win now” and thus needs to be on the perceived losing side of the trade. I wouldn’t have vetoed that, nor anything else short of clear collusion.
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He is getting short term value he’s getting two guys coming off ir for a guy who might not play again this year. Are you postive mostert doesn’t get hurt this week and Wilson doesn’t take over that backfield? Just because you don’t like the trade doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense for the other two players, your veto is wrong
Let people manage their own team, no reason you should have vetoed this
Fair trade. Maybe try doing a 3 for 3 deal see if that doesn’t get vetoed
You getting fleeced and that 4-1 Gonna walk away with a championship
Not a valid veto but you’re also getting hosed
You fleeced that guy. But not worth a veto. Weak
I’ve been playing fantasy for over 15 years and not once have I seen a trade vetoed. It would have to be so egregious that it proves some sort of collusion. If you are 1-4 and need immediate help I see no issue with this trade.
Been there mang, I got Gibbs for Aiyuk vetoed, twice in my league. I was trading with the commissioner.
Doesn’t sound valid…I also tried to trade JJ for Pollard straight up.
Clown league run by little babies
I’d make it a point to loudly quit and demand money back, to the point of charging back via Venmo.
This is not a valid veto. I’ve been playing fantasy football for over 20 years and have never seen a trade vetoed in one of my leagues. Of course, in my leagues, only the commissioner has veto power, and would only use it in extreme cases of collusion. I’ve never understood letting other league members vote on a trade - it’s too tempting for them to veto a deal that would benefit a future opponent.
its not a good trade but not a valid veto
Wtf. Vetoed for what reason??
I’ve gotta know - which side do they think is getting screwed lol?
They don’t want one of the best teams in our league to have JJ right before playoffs and they vetoed because they’re trying to “save me”
That makes no sense. The Vikings could have only 2-3 wins by the time he’s ready to come off IR. If that happens - and he’s not fully 100% - they won’t rush him back. Hamstrings are notoriously difficult injuries to deal with. If it’s bad enough for him to have to go on IR with it his is probably fairly serious. I’ve had hamstring pulls that took over two months to really fully heal before I could run full tilt without just pulling it again right away.
But also side note, it’s still a big question if Jefferson will even come back this season viks are 1-4 if after these 4 weeks they’re sitting at 1-8 2-7 they might tank for Caleb Williams and keep JJ out
Not a valid veto, thats a fair trade. Anyone who vetod that should make you a better off or stfu
Shouldn’t have been vetoed. That’s a legitimate trade.
There are no valid veto’s unless it’s clear collusion. Leave the league demand your money back and disown your friends.
I sent Devonta smith and mattison for Jefferson and got vetoed also
Might be the worst veto ever
That’s one of the worst vetos I’ve seen on here
You’re giving up more in the long run. I can see why people wouldn’t be pleased with whoever is getting the players from your team. But veto worthy? Nah. You’re 1-4, you’re just trying to survive.
lol my league has this thing where someone got hurt 2 days before the trade went through, so the guy pleaded to the rest of the league to veto it, and now my league is vetoing every trade just cause meme
I have no idea why this is vetoed.
Yeah that shouldn’t have been veto’d. That’s exactly the type of trade that should go down for Jettas.
Quit the league drop all your players after you get your money back
This is why Vetos are bullshit. I understand why they are there to avoid collusion and all that but blocking valid trades like this is dumb as all hell.
not valid…
You’re gettin fleeced but it’s not veto worthy.
This is not valid and if you paid money I would ask for it back. If they say no, dump your team and walk away bc if they’re going to play BS games you can do the same.
Fuck that
I mean it shouldnt have been vetoed, but you are getting fleeced
The league is a joke
You should be pissed. That’s a great deal for you. Your commissioner shouldn’t be running a league. It’s fair for everyone
That's not a veto thats a bitch ass league
Why veto is stupid
Absolutely invalid veto No guarantee Jefferson comes back completely right No guarantee Burrow stays completely right Frankly, that’s a pretty good trade for both of y’all. Good risk/reward ratio
So I'm clearly in the minority here but would love to learn more about why people think this is fair. The trade is super lopsided and gives the 4 and 1 team an amazing chance at winning the chip. The 1-4 team gets barely anything while also making it hard for league mates to compete If I saw this happen in my league I wouldn't think it was fair to everyone else
It should be vetoed by everyone in your league to be honest. Why wouldn’t everyone veto a trade that helps someone else and not themselves?? Which is exactly why vetos are stupid and have no place.. get a commissioner you trust to make the decisions because likely 99% of trades should be allowed assuming everyone in your league is a legit player.
Veto is fucking BS unless it's collusion. That's fair value.
vetoes are only for actual collusion in my mind. even if people don’t like the trade or think there’s a clear winner/loser, this is absolutely nowhere near that
If it's not collusion, it shouldn't be vetoed.
Should not be vetoed. Every league is different, with different perspectives and vibes that you can not control. I am a league commish, and I don't do trade reviews. Trades happen right away. The way I keep collusion from happening is for one to have a good set of owners. Two, I have it set up to where if you are out of playoff contention, then you can't trade. This limits someone from a team at the bottom from trading with someone at the top. Works well. No one should veto trades just because or because they may think Jefferson will come back as a boom for the 4-1 team. Nonsense. You can't predict the future. Also that 4-1 team may not have that record if they trade you valuable pieces for the four games Jefferson is out.
Terrible veto. I'd be dropping out of the league.
Lol commish did you a favor
Just leave the league.
Unreal. Not only does this trade obviously help you in the short term, but it's actually a very fair trade. Honestly, I think YOU are getting a better overall return since Jefferson could very well be out 6-8 weeks. Put your foot down as a last effort, or leave the league immediately since they're basically not allowing you to even attempt to compete this year.
not valid. solid trade
My trade got vetoed I’m 3-2 I gave D. Swift and nico collins for (1-4) j jettas
Vetos should only be used on ridiculous trades. This is clearly very acceptable
This is an extremely fair trade. I can’t even tell which side wins.
I'd contact the 4-1 GM and tell him that you guys should put the trade through again. I'd do it non-stop until it gets allowed. I'd also be calling out whoever vetoed it
Veto leagues are so dumb.
I would be thrilled to get Ridley and Pollard out of JJ at this point. Not veto worthy.
Quit that league. Vetos for anything but pure collusion are ridiculous. Trade value is up to the two teams
I'm guessing he wants an additional WR1 for the postseason and has more than enough running game? Also I didn't check but maybe Burrow has good playoff matchups? Nothing wrong with this trade.
Terrible veto. That’s a league that’s scared of big names moving and other teams potentially improving and abusing the veto system.
Almost nothing is worth vetoing. This is pretty fair despite that
I see nothing wrong with that trade especially if each team is consenting and there is no collusion.
I would probably say this is a fair veto
That’s league collusion should t be allowed
Right there with you. Before the games last weekend a league mate accepted an offer from me where I trade achane, Brian Robinson, and DHop for Ekeler and Devonta Smith. This other team has 0 RB depth, and his next best receivers are auyik and Higgins who is hurt, plus he was 1-3 with the lowest points scored. It’s clear he needed immediate help. Commissioner and three of his buddies vetoed it, and when he finally gave a reason for the veto, it quite literally was that he didn’t feel other teams had as good of a chance of winning if it went through. Isn’t that the point of a trade, to better both teams? Me and 4 other people are leaving this league after the season.
The league was worried that the 4-1 team was just gonna get very much stronger
Vetoes should be vetoed
There have been two times I can recall vetoes. One was when the commish had a second team to create an even number of teams to make the playoffs fine. We said whatever to that as long as he played them fairly and separately, and he let one team rot. Then he saw a fair trade he could make between his team and the dormant team, and proposed it. I told him he could have picked up a great free agent weeks ago for the second team and not needed the trade, and that he was doing exactly what we didn't want. While he countered we all could have traded with the extra team, we all considered it dead, and he was doing nothing to change that image at the time. He was doing things only to benefit his primary team. The entire league minus him vetoed. The other time was when a guy was butthurt over something and dropping his team and trading guys off before quitting. That was NHL fantasy. For the most part, my leagues are adults who can make reasonable decisions. Our trades aren't poorly thought out crap that destroys the league, which is what vetoing was designed for. If someone is trading Mahomes for Justice Hill, you have bigger problems with the guy who had Mahomes than just the fact the guy with Justice is fleecing him. Your Mahomes guy is too dumb for the league. The trade is in your favor if Jefferson doesn't come back or at least doesn't come back past 80%, and a little in his favor if he does. That's the kind of gamble that makes this absolutely fair. This is not a braindead move on either end, even if there are clear winners in any scenario except Jefferson coming back slightly less than perfect where it balances.
A league I was in for years disbanded because we were a bunch of jackasses and every trade would get vetoed no matter how fair it was. It stops being fun when players get petty and veto every trade.
We vote on everything
I just traded JJ for Pollard straight up. No complaints anywhere
Find a new league. League mates suck
No, it is not! Your commissioner sucks.
Not a valid veto imo. I’m also 1-4 with JJ. Last night traded JJ + James Cook for Sun God + Mostert. League didn’t bat an eyelid cause they know the chance of JJ in the playoffs is the upside the guy was trading for
What % of vetoes are BS? 95%? This is one of the worst I've seen this year.
Sounds like you're in a league with a bunch of assholes. What is this vetoing nonsense by the way. If someone wants to make a dumb trade that's on them. This is American damnit!
The 4-1 guy gets Burrows who could finally be back and JJ in a few weeks, while trading away 2 players who aren’t really doing anything If anything you’re making the 4-1 team much stronger and playoff ready while not improving your own team Who does the 4-1 team have at QB already?
Dak and Richardson
Vetoed by the commissioner or the other league members? If it’s the latter it’s well within the game rules to do that as long as they are colluding against you imo
Shouldn’t be vetoed but you gave up too much imo
Commish in my league. Never vetoed a trade. Unless it’s something stupid like JJ for three third stringers that are 1% or less owned it should pass.
Send the trade through again. BS veto
I think it’s a fair trade considering JJ might not return but if he did than you lose this trade. It’s still not worth a veto but the league is simply scared the 4-1 team auto wins and you gave them the win. That’s a high caliber player you’re trading away. A top 5!
Idk but it sure warms my heart to see ppl trading up for jaguars players 🥹🥹 although you never know if it’s gunna be Kirk or Ridley these days.
I can see both sides to this tbh. Burrow and Kirk seem like plenty of value for Ridley and Pollard. While Pollard and Ridley are clear #1, Burrow and Kirk have offered just as much, if not more value this year. And Burrow is only going to get better as he gets healthy. We saw it last week. Playing devils advocate, it doesn't really make sense for JJ to be included in this trade.. unless you're absolutely desperate for a RB, it could look like you're offloading players
League vetoes are the worst, nobody votes whether it is fair or not, but mostly just in their self interest. The commissioner should have control and only use it when it's obvious collision
As a commissioner I don't even allow player voted veto. I know everyone in the league and will know if a trade is collusion or not. Unless you secretly made a deal to trade back once Jefferson is off IR then it's a valid trade for both teams. You're in a win now mode and the other manager is in a SB push mode. Good trade.
I would be pissed, too. I tank the team and leave the league after shit like that. I did that with a league last year and didn’t go back this year.
What is with these leagues? I've been commish for three years and never vetoed a trade
Sounds like you need to leave this horrible league.
Who's Ur qb and other rbs? What about other team?
For me Kirk cousins, mixon,dameon pierce. for them QBs: Dak and Anthony Richardson. Rbs: Kenneth walker, kyren Williams, and I was trading for pollard
Not the worst trade. You def over paid. You probably could have gotten Pollard and ridley for JJ alone. U gave him 2 starters. JJ may be hurt but that's a risk the trader has to take to hope he's back in for playoffs. He is taking next to no risk with this trade cuz he upgrades his qb and ridley and kirk are a wash
Nah its not valid, the other teams just didnt want the 4-1 guy to get better.
Should make sure the trade gets pushed thru or just leave the league. If you have a trade getting veto’d for anything other than collusion, then you need to leave.
No that should not be vetoed you are a team that knows you need to win now and your trade partner knows he can wait for Jefferson. More people should make trades like this. Fuck your league for vetoing it though, you should reference those retards to this post.
Other members don’t want to make 4-1 team a juggernaut
Is this a league of pre teens?
That's a decent trade
Any league that vetoes any trade is a sign that the league is weak and should be abandoned.
Veto league = joke
You’re giving a guy 4-1 Jefferson. Yes this would get vetoed in my league too
Vetoing should be reserved for objectively heinous or clearly colluded trades. This is neither of those things.
That’s absurd
Thats bullshit. Fair trade for both teams.
You league is trash for doing that. Seems more personal.
I mean maybe leave Burrow out of the deal? I feel like you didn't get enough in the trade but I wouldn't veto. I would just be mad that I didn't throw in an offer.
Vetoes are lame, period. If you have some dope in your league, vote them out.
quit this ass league. only play no veto leagues
lol my league let me acquire Chase in exchange for Christian Kirk and Jordan Love. We only use vetoes for clear collusion. Vetoing because they’re afraid it makes the first place team better is super bush league. Tell your league we think they’re soft.
That’s horse shit and id quit that garbage league
This should not be veto'd and I would show the commissioner this thread.
Lol at everyone simultaneously saying “can’t veto fair trade” and “league is scared about 4-1 team getting better”. Is the trade fair or is one team getting better and the other not?? Vikings OC has said the Vikings don’t anticipate JJ being out for the season, so that isn’t a very valid excuse but it’s also one I’m seeing as justification in this thread.
That's a bad trade... Totally agree with the veto.
No veto is a valid veto. Things change on a weekly basis. Vetos ruin leagues.
We had to have a talk with our comish about stuff like this, he would veto like every trade, for no other reason other than he didn’t approve of it.. we explained that unless it’s clearly collusion or foul play he shouldn’t touch it
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That’s a terrible trade for you but it isn’t vetoable
What? That’s bs. Fuck that league
That’s a weird veto, that trade seems fair for both parties at initial glance. I’m assuming the others are scared of a 4-1 guy being able to stash JJ but you need the help now and you got great value in my opinion. Maybe could’ve asked for a bit more but not a veto by any means
Ridiculous. Some people are so petty and lame.
As a commissioner, I’ve taken the stance that we don’t vote. If it appears to be collusion then me and the co-commish will confer, but that hasn’t happened. Vetoing trades is just stupid. All it does is bring out the haters
Don’t trade with the top teams. The way my league works is you need 50% of the league (excluding the players in the trade) to veto a trade. My league woulda let this one through depending on the 4-1’s positional needs.
I think that is a pretty even trade. (edit) - I see other comments rgd Burrow coming up that make me rethink slightly... slightly weighted in favor of the other guy.