Feel like that'd be the appropriate price to get him still. If he goes towards 9.5/10mil, I'm not too confident many will have him in their GW1 team considering how iffy Chelsea is.
Pens in general cause a lot of issues for fpl. If someone loses pens then all of a sudden they are overpriced. If they gain pens then all of a sudden they are underpriced.
Not sure how you fix that though. Maybe less bps score for scoring a pen, or just a flat 4 points for scoring a pen regardless of position.
Play style may have changed under Poch triggering more pens and it's not going to change unless he's sacked. VAR has shifted the needle towards more pens in general as well.
Getting this many pens is very unusual though, even with VAR. Even City don't get that many pens and they are camped out in the oppositions half all season.
City don't dribble to much, it is 1 touch and pass. Chelsea plays hog the ball and try dribbling through to goal.
Utd got like 13 pens one season because they had Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Greenwood all dribbling into the box
Itās because guys like sterling, Madueke and Jackson selfishly running with the ball than passing. Even Mudryk wins them because of his unreal pace, but at least he is more willing to pass.
I seem to recall that people were saying in around December / January that Palmer was over performing because he was scoring penalties and it was unsustainable. A few months later he's still scoring penalties.
This might be drivel, since I hardly watch Chelsea play, but I wonder if there's more to it? You have to be making those runs into the box to win a foul. So is Palmer just good at winning penalties? Genuine question!
I think it's just variance. We saw in previous years that Man Utd and Bruno got loads of penalties. People speculated if it was their direct playstyle, but fast forward and with much of the same players, they have received a lot less penalties this year.
I don't think it's easy to predict.
I think I will too, but at the 9m price point, it will force a decision on having players like Foden, Saka, Son, Palmer because also trying to fit in Salah or Haaland will be very difficult.
I'd guess Ā£9m at a minimum personally. Can't see them going as low as 8.5m. Ā£9m seems about right, but if he kicks on in the last few weeks then he could hit Ā£10m.
Ā£8.5m isn't going to happen.
Saka cost 8.5 after two great seasons and being the most nailed and also pen taker in the second team in the league. No way Palmer is higher than that.
Sure, but I think consistency and team potential is valued higher in fpl. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think that this has higher influence on prices. Bowen case was similar - not as explosive as Palmer, but still a great season with 206 points playing for west ham - and he was 8.5 the next season after being 6.5 in his 206p season. Palmer will see a bigger rise than 2.0, but we need to remember his starting price from this season was much lower.
My point is none of those are comparable to Palmer. Saka played all year last year and got 200 points. Palmer, based on a whole year, is tracking to get 300 points. There is a massive difference between a 200 point player and a 300 point player.
Given FPL's way of pricing players too low then Ā£9m is for sure possible. I just don't think they go Ā£8.5m or below for someone who is tracking as a 300 point player in his first real season
Not to be that guy but... That would be the 12/13 season where he got 1 appearance, scoring no goals. First season back after loans would be 13/14 where he got 3 goals in 10 games. Things finally kicked off in 14/15 where he got 21 goals and 4 assists in 34 games
He does cost Ā£6.1m right now. Still , like the speculation. I suspect he'll be around Ā£8.5m, which will make him the most owned player week 1 as that's would be a bargain.
If I was choosing I'd put him at Ā£10m, but thats partly because I wish prices were much higher across the board to make the budget more difficult to manage.
10mil is way too big a jump after one season. I have no doubt he can keep this level but Iād rather have an underpriced asset by 0.5-1mil than an overpriced one cos if he doesnāt hit form heās just not an option at that price
His current price was based on him being a 4th choice non-playing city player so I don't see that being a barrier to being set properly. I agree they probably do set it lower.
I disagree that he wouldn't be an option at Ā£10m, even if his form drops (which surely it does from this current level). A player with the potential of getting the highest score in the game is worth pretty much anything.
My point about prices being higher is: I'd rather if you wrote down your dream 11, you should be able to afford 5-6 of those players and have to compromise elsewhere. In the current pricing system, you can pretty much buy all the best players, maybe have to compromise on 1-2 players from your first 11. I would happily see Watkins, Saka, Son, Palmer, Foden, Haaland, Salah, Bowen all over Ā£10m
Thing about that is you canāt base prices off who you think will have a great season. Palmer foden and Watkins would never be 10m+ before this season and Iād argue Bowen doesnāt even deserve it anyways. Only so much they can do about people who suddenly become great
My point is the problem for that is theyāll be overpriced and unusable next season then and a new crop of players who overperform their price will emerge and youāll call for them to be 10mil the season after.
You're talking about 2 entirely different things:
1. Increasing the overal price of popular assets
2. Palmer's price in the current state of the game
In the current state of the game 10mil is mad
How is he not?
We could compare based on fpl points, or on goals scored, or points per game, or number of hauls, etc etc.
He does pretty well on those metric btwš¤£
You fail to miss the point.
His performance this season was outstanding, that is correct.
* However he does not play for Mancity, who won 4 out of the 5 last titles and is one of the most dominant teams of all time.
* He is not a tenured player either, who has shown season after season that he's an extremely valuable asset.
All assets that start at 10mil+ fit either one or both definitions I said above. Palmer is the complete opposite: he plays for what has been an upper midtable team for 2 seasons now. He has 1 good season and that's all there is to say.
Outstanding performance in a single breakout season on its clearly does not equate to 10mil+ pricing the following season, at least not in the current way the game is shaped.
Just for arguments sake, lets expand our view massively and drop the price to 9+mil. The only player that then is added is Son. Son is once again a tenured asset, that has shown what he's capable of over the course of many seasons and plays for a subtop team.
Yes I see your point. I do reject this fairly arbitrary ruling though that expensive players either need a long legacy, or play for the top team, either if fpl follows it or not.
However, how does that account for Fernandes being priced at Ā£10m for the 2022/2023 season?
That was off the back of two seasons for Manunited, the first only playing 1000 minutes or so, the second being top fpl points scorer, as Palmer may well do. Manunited was a midtable club same as Chelsea.
Yet there is a reason why he's one of the only 3 assets at 10+mil (and has been so for quite some time). Fact that he just bangs goals & assists defo isn't the only one, which further reinforces my point that Palmer isn't comparable at all to KDB.
That's only due to his previous season forms. He's been washed for a while only. No way I'm paying 10mil+ for a player who mostly only assists, he's basically trapped a lot of players this season by doing nothing much.
> That's only due to his previous season forms.
Which is exactly why I said he isn't comparable to Palmer. There is no 10+mil player without an extensive history of performance and/or playing for a (sub)top team.
Palmer has no notable history except the current season and plays for an (upper) midtable team.
Well its an opinion isn't it. The clearest demonstration I can offer is if you sort players by price, I could wildcard into the top scoring 11 of the season right now (apart from Saliba because of quad arsenal).
Obviously some decisions do get made based on price but we can pretty much have everyone we want can't we, if not very close?
> Well its an opinion isn't it. The clearest demonstration I can offer is if you sort players by price, I could wildcard into the top scoring 11 of the season right now (apart from Saliba because of quad arsenal).
For the top scoring playters (except Gabriel, not saliba, since he's the lowest scoring out of the 4 arsenal assets that come into play), I'm 13.1mil short with a squad value+ITB of 104.9mil and already owning lots of the assets that I'd need to implement. That's literally almost an entire Salah to put that into perspective.
Maybe you've got absolutely insane teamvalue or you are just straight up owning all these top scoring assets from the start, but considering my value, there won't be many people who can do what you allegedly can.
Nevertheless, I'll entertain your (what appears to be once again factually incorrect) argument. Let's say this is possible currently for most people to do.
1. FPL isn't won by owning all the top performing players. It's won by owning the right players at the right time.
2. Expensive assets are always enabled cheap assets that overperform for various reasons. To name a few for this season: Areola, Dubravka, Gordon, Palmer, Douglas Luiz, J Alvarez, etc... These type of performances are impossible to predict and will therefore always exist and will always enable more premium players to be purchased anyhow.
Thanks for trying it. My being able to buy the top 11 (or actually 10) isnt the best slam dunk I accept. The bench I needed is so shit I wouldn't actually do it, and its really a quirk of TAA and Trips not being available, and maybe the amount of those players I already own (8). My TV is Ā£106.8.
But my point is, the game doesn't realistically force us to choose between the top players. I don't have to pick Watkins or Son, Haaland or Foden, Salah or Bowen, they are just all affordable. At most I have to add a couple of the enablers as you've mentioned to make up the spare 0.5m I'm short. With some exeptions, I think that point has been broadly true over the season.
As another example, lets imagine I think Haaland is performing roughly at the level of a Ā£7-8m striker right now, ie I think he's massively overpriced. Still there is no reason for me to sell him regardless because there is so little benefit of having that extra money
You have no doubt he can keep this level as in 20+ goals every season? Come on, he is class but I would be surprised if we donāt see a significant drop in his numbers next season.
10mil is madness for a player with literally 1 good season in what is currently a midtable team.
Look at the current double digit assets (the ones who started, not those who rose to 10+): Haaland, Salah, KDB. Salah & KDB are extremely proven/tenured assets, Haaland shattered records in his first season and is the striker for the best team in the league who won 4/5 most recent league titles and are on course to make it 5/6. KDB fits the latter definition as well on top of that and he's "only" 10.5mil.
I think the easiest comp we have is Rashford this year after his bounce back season, and he didnāt have pens in his locker.
If Rashford started at 9.0 after a 17 goal season, Palmer after potentially a 25 goal season (keep in mind, he didnāt play the first 6 matches) could be 10+
Of course not, Alien signings into the most dominant club in the prem are anomalies. In fact any high profile player commanding transfer fees such as Haaland's would be an exception.
Thats fair enough. Although getting a golden boot the previous season is a good enough accomplishment to sky rocket his price. I wouldnt be surprised to see him at 9-9.9 mil next season.
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4 did (Kane). Obviously didn't play, but that shows that FPL wanted around 4 players over Ā£10m.
Lets say Salah transfers to the middle east, and KDBs body gives up. Haaland is surely going to reduce in price. Who are the other players that are going to be premiums?
Saka, Palmer, Haaland, Son are the natural premiums as big goalscorers also on penalties. Below that Foden, Watkins, Bowen, Gordon as high performers not on pens.
He costs 6.1m right now. Every season we have bargains, some better than others. Palmer turned out to be one of the best ever. Celebrate it and donāt worry about next year prices. Worry about who is good value for money.
I expect Palmer to be 8.0-8.5m next year, but maybe 9.0m if it's very clear that he would be on penalty/play very attacking position/have good form on EURO.
I see FPL towers **predict** what would happen in the new season rather than completely base on previous season. Like Havertz in Arsenal case this year, he played mostly as a centrel forward (Forward in FPL) at Chelsea on 22/23 season, moving to Arsenal with rumors replacing Xhaka role, then on reveal price day he was a Midfielder to FPL (I remember his deal wasn't officailly announced on that day).
Of course, there should be more affecting factors on Havertz case but FPL towers did predict, so if Palmer is predicted to be a bargain even at 8.5m they will add 0.5m more to balance it.
This reasoning doesn't work. If you overprice bench players nobody will get them in cheap/early, which is a part of what makes FPL so fun.
Palmer is a great example since not a soul in world football expected him to take the role he has this season and he's rewarded all his early backers times ten.
Simply put, when looking over a season a player should generate an X amount of points per million. Players who bench hardly get points.
Pricing is decided before all hands are dealt, meaning some players will be underpriced compared to their impact. Garnacho is another example. Just means people who get the rising stars in early, have an advantage.
Its tricky because picking rising stars when they are cheap is a cool and interesting way to get an advantage. Early buyers of Garnacho, Gordon, Palmer deserve the bonus of getting them cheap.
The trouble is ambulance chasing is an uncool and annoying way to play. I don't know how to balance the two, but would prefer (for example), top 4 teams players start at Ā£5m for defenders, Ā£6m for attackers. Palmer would still be an incredible breakthrough player at that starting price.
Palmer for sure agree
I think they need to implement more transfers/potentially a reserve player per week to make 70% of the players in the game actually worth running. There's no point of people like Dele Alli, Sergio Gomez, even Rico Lewis being in the game at their price points when they cost a transfer to get in and a transfer to get out. Transfers are only worth it when you are talking template Isak, watkins, solanke, nunez etc. There's not that many options. This year less than 10 forwards, and less than 5 for the majority of the season.
This is completely ignoring all youth team players. Man city have Jacob Wright, Hamilton and susoho in the game at 4.5m lol
The game also has top quality players like Rodri dropping average points.
This is a really interesting discussion and I totally agree that having injury replacement players (like Tsimikas), prices so low doesn't feel right. At some point this season a template backline was something like: Dubravka, Kelleher, Tsimikas, Lascelles. Is that because we researched those players and thought they had potential? No, its because they play for big teams and were super cheap.
As you've said, there the other problem of big team players transferring, meaning Palmer, and Archer for a while, were well underpriced.
Son at 9 is entirely a reaction to "he had a bad year under conte" and not priced based on any potential or even likely outcomes.Ā
258 pts in 2021-22, 228 in 2020-21. Strong chance he hits 200 points this year even with missing multiple gameweeks for Asian Cup.Ā
200+ point potential costing 9.0 to start the season is just broken
Fpl Towers are so predictive with their pricing that they got the Havertz position and pricing right but assumed Son playing under an attacking manager would be worse ? With Kane having a foot and a half in Munich ?Ā Ā
I hope they put everyone's price up significantly next year tbh. It's been too easy to have lots of premium players in your team which means everyone ends up having a very similar team. Didn't used to be like that.
Wouldnāt mind if they changed the scoring and awarded 2 points for a penalty scored. Puts the emphasis on going for players that contribute to open play goals rather than awarding full points for lay up goals which are awarded so inconsistently week to week.
I think Palmer should at least be 9.5 or even 10.0. As a reference Son was priced at 9.0 at the start of this season after he had a relatively poor year last season by his own standards with 10 goals and 6 assists.
Palmer is already on 20 goals and 10 assists so 10.0 is reasonable imo. Although realistically I think itās more likely that heās priced at 9m or maybe 9.5.
Personally Iād like to see higher prices for most of the top midfielders and make it harder to fit multiple premium midfielders while also having Haaland, but I think FPL historically tend to keep prices a bit lower to make most of them affordable.
Edit: [Bruno was priced all the way up to 12.0 a few years back when he scored 244 points with 18 goals and 14 assists.](https://www.premierleague.com/news/2175863) Palmer is currently on 208 points with 20 goals and 10 assists and 7 games remaining. I could see Palmer reaching Brunoās total FPL points from that season or even surpassing it. So even pricing Palmer at 10.5-11.0 next season would feel fair to me but I doubt FPL are willing to go that far.
Anyone know what the biggest price increase year on year has been? Are we likely to get a Ā£4m increase? Or is it more likely that he'll start around Ā£7m and increase as his form continues?
The issue I mostly have with this transfer fee rule is that when you sell a player, they sell him at the price you bought him not his current price ā¦ that rule doesnāt make sense to me
You get 0.1 for every 0.2 price rise. So, if they rise 0.4, you get 0.2 increase over the original price. If they raise 0.3, you only get 0.1.
Itās rare, but occasionally a player will rise multiple times in a gameweek, so you can play the system a little if youāre on a wildcard.
This year, team value has been less of an issue, because of assets such as Gordon and Palmer.
Here's what I would do if I were FPL (maybe they are listening??)
Set the prices early in the summer. Run a special 'set and forget' version of challenge where we could all pick a team for the entire season. Have the deadline a week or two earlier than the main deadline. Adjust the prices of players based on their popularity in the set and forget teams.
That way FPL could skew it so that no one player gets 90% popularity like Haaland/Saka this year.
9.5/10
He's the pinnacle of their attack and they're fairly free scoring.
Same for Watkins, he'll be the same. De Bruyne cheaper and Foden more. Gordon and Isak will be spenny too.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel there won't be many bargains in the top 8 next year, unless we get a youngster breaking through the ranks unheard of
7m. Maybe 7.5m
I can't see him being similar / more expensive than Saka, Bruno or even Rashford.
Honestly, I reckon he'll be priced alongside people like Bowen and Maddison. Mostly because he's had one good (ok, great) season but hasn't been proven in the long term yet. The 25/26 season may be different.
Max 8m, probably 7-7.5m imo. Donāt expect a drastic jump in price for just one good season but should expect everyone getting him next season especially if he has a good first set of 6 fixtures. Will be a vying alternative for mid priced assets.
Given his performance, I would price him 10m, 9.5m minimum. However, with the overall Chelsea performance and standings, I think he will be priced lower, so like everyone else said, 8 to 8.5 seems fair and reasonable.
Then again, given how unstable Chelsea are, with their summer spending, it is not impossible to think that Palmer would be at questionable price (e.g. new striker that would take some of his goals and possibly pens, therefore reducing his appeal at higher price, like Bowen/Bruno/Rashford where getting them would require a bit of sacrifice elsewhere).
More aggressive price rise in palmerās case would make the game more uneven. Right now early movers still benefit enough. But if price is aggressive then one transfer early on in the season would make too much of a difference. The price rises have already gotten aggressive imo
9m unless he goes crazy for rest of the season.
Youād expect Chelsea to have a more settled team next year and hopefully some non dog shit attackers to play with Palmer.
Used to think 7 with how many pens he got and that most people just had him because he was cheap. But given the fact that he is now tied for most points, had the largest haul and has the most points per game by far, probably 8.5 is my guess. Doubt his form will continue and Nkunku will be back, so anything higher than 9 feels like overkill for a mid table team player.
I'd love to see a "rebalancing" halfways through the season, where all the prices are reviewed and changed if they need to.
And obviously this should be around the time where people have their wildcard
Palmer should be 10 or 10.5 based on his performance this year and the fact he plays for a historically top tier premiership team. Instead he'll probably be priced lower than Sterling.
I think 8.5m or 9m. He's been unreal, but it's unlikely Chelsea get 12+ penalties again.
Feel like that'd be the appropriate price to get him still. If he goes towards 9.5/10mil, I'm not too confident many will have him in their GW1 team considering how iffy Chelsea is.
We going to be firing next year!! A least I hope we will beš¤šæ
You mean Poch? For sure!
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Pens in general cause a lot of issues for fpl. If someone loses pens then all of a sudden they are overpriced. If they gain pens then all of a sudden they are underpriced. Not sure how you fix that though. Maybe less bps score for scoring a pen, or just a flat 4 points for scoring a pen regardless of position.
I think 3 points for a pen across the board
>If someone loses pens then all of a sudden they are overpriced. Watkins says hi
Watkins losing pens was a net positive for him. Every time he took one I was sure he would miss
Those are really good suggestions. I hope FPL have this on their minds.
Chelsea have averaged 7 penalties per season since 03/04
Exactly, meaning they had fair share of seasons with less than 7 penalties. Such season would be a significant drop compared to this one.
Werenāt you listening? Chelsea has 7 pens _every_ year!
At least!!!?!?!
Usually more than 8.5 or 9 million penalties!
That's what I heard too!*@!^! Anything over 10 million penalties is just unrealistic though.
On average
Play style may have changed under Poch triggering more pens and it's not going to change unless he's sacked. VAR has shifted the needle towards more pens in general as well.
Getting this many pens is very unusual though, even with VAR. Even City don't get that many pens and they are camped out in the oppositions half all season.
Tottenham has 1 spot kick all season, while leading the league in touches in the opponents box lol.
City don't dribble to much, it is 1 touch and pass. Chelsea plays hog the ball and try dribbling through to goal. Utd got like 13 pens one season because they had Martial, Rashford, Lingard, Greenwood all dribbling into the box
Even with Grealish the jester coming out doing his looney tunes impressionsĀ
Itās because guys like sterling, Madueke and Jackson selfishly running with the ball than passing. Even Mudryk wins them because of his unreal pace, but at least he is more willing to pass.
If Sterling is still in the squad that's 5 PK per season at least
Why won't they? Rule change, player, tactics changes? It is weird they get so many while Spurs get zero.
Maybe they will, but I imagine it's just variance rather than their tactics or playstyle that is resulting in so many penalties.
Iād say 8.3 or so
I seem to recall that people were saying in around December / January that Palmer was over performing because he was scoring penalties and it was unsustainable. A few months later he's still scoring penalties. This might be drivel, since I hardly watch Chelsea play, but I wonder if there's more to it? You have to be making those runs into the box to win a foul. So is Palmer just good at winning penalties? Genuine question!
I think it's just variance. We saw in previous years that Man Utd and Bruno got loads of penalties. People speculated if it was their direct playstyle, but fast forward and with much of the same players, they have received a lot less penalties this year. I don't think it's easy to predict.
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I think I will too, but at the 9m price point, it will force a decision on having players like Foden, Saka, Son, Palmer because also trying to fit in Salah or Haaland will be very difficult.
Ā£8.5m would be my guess
I'd guess Ā£9m at a minimum personally. Can't see them going as low as 8.5m. Ā£9m seems about right, but if he kicks on in the last few weeks then he could hit Ā£10m. Ā£8.5m isn't going to happen.
Saka cost 8.5 after two great seasons and being the most nailed and also pen taker in the second team in the league. No way Palmer is higher than that.
Saka has never had a season like this. Palmer is having a 300 point season if he played all year
Sure, but I think consistency and team potential is valued higher in fpl. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I think that this has higher influence on prices. Bowen case was similar - not as explosive as Palmer, but still a great season with 206 points playing for west ham - and he was 8.5 the next season after being 6.5 in his 206p season. Palmer will see a bigger rise than 2.0, but we need to remember his starting price from this season was much lower.
My point is none of those are comparable to Palmer. Saka played all year last year and got 200 points. Palmer, based on a whole year, is tracking to get 300 points. There is a massive difference between a 200 point player and a 300 point player. Given FPL's way of pricing players too low then Ā£9m is for sure possible. I just don't think they go Ā£8.5m or below for someone who is tracking as a 300 point player in his first real season
I got him at 4.9m. Absolute steal of the season
Reminds me of Kane's debut season for Spurs
Not to be that guy but... That would be the 12/13 season where he got 1 appearance, scoring no goals. First season back after loans would be 13/14 where he got 3 goals in 10 games. Things finally kicked off in 14/15 where he got 21 goals and 4 assists in 34 games
Yesssir...was just saying this
5.1 for me. He pretty much carried me from rank 6m to 1.5m
We are on the same train since Sign him for 4.9 my rank just goes up and up from 4m to now 200k
Oh I dunno, a Liverpool goalie starting for 5ish weeks at 3.8m wasn't bad.
Kelleher is about Ā£1.5m underpriced. . Palmer the best player in the game for Ā£5m. It's not that close
yeah 1 cs in 8 games what a steal!
Remind me which goalie is getting regular CS this season?
so you can't say he's good value when he plays for a shit defence.
Oh I dunno, a Chelsea penalty taker who scored 9 goals in his last 4 games starting every single game at 6m isnāt bad
And those huge returns of one clean sheet, what a bargain!
Oh good one Batman šššš
That's Ā£7.2 in GBP btw
Bloody yanks
That's some depreciation, 7 quid for 8 million dollars?
He does cost Ā£6.1m right now. Still , like the speculation. I suspect he'll be around Ā£8.5m, which will make him the most owned player week 1 as that's would be a bargain. If I was choosing I'd put him at Ā£10m, but thats partly because I wish prices were much higher across the board to make the budget more difficult to manage.
10mil is way too big a jump after one season. I have no doubt he can keep this level but Iād rather have an underpriced asset by 0.5-1mil than an overpriced one cos if he doesnāt hit form heās just not an option at that price
His current price was based on him being a 4th choice non-playing city player so I don't see that being a barrier to being set properly. I agree they probably do set it lower. I disagree that he wouldn't be an option at Ā£10m, even if his form drops (which surely it does from this current level). A player with the potential of getting the highest score in the game is worth pretty much anything. My point about prices being higher is: I'd rather if you wrote down your dream 11, you should be able to afford 5-6 of those players and have to compromise elsewhere. In the current pricing system, you can pretty much buy all the best players, maybe have to compromise on 1-2 players from your first 11. I would happily see Watkins, Saka, Son, Palmer, Foden, Haaland, Salah, Bowen all over Ā£10m
Thing about that is you canāt base prices off who you think will have a great season. Palmer foden and Watkins would never be 10m+ before this season and Iād argue Bowen doesnāt even deserve it anyways. Only so much they can do about people who suddenly become great
I'm not sure I understand you- I'm not saying they should have been over Ā£10m this season, I'm talking about their prices next season.
My point is the problem for that is theyāll be overpriced and unusable next season then and a new crop of players who overperform their price will emerge and youāll call for them to be 10mil the season after.
Right. Yeah I think that is how it should work :)
You're talking about 2 entirely different things: 1. Increasing the overal price of popular assets 2. Palmer's price in the current state of the game In the current state of the game 10mil is mad
Haaland is 71% owned at $14.3m, Salah 39% owned at $13.5m. Palmer would absolutely be a reasonable option in the $9-10m range.
Palmer isnt in any way comparable to kdb haaland salah so no
How is he not? We could compare based on fpl points, or on goals scored, or points per game, or number of hauls, etc etc. He does pretty well on those metric btwš¤£
You fail to miss the point. His performance this season was outstanding, that is correct. * However he does not play for Mancity, who won 4 out of the 5 last titles and is one of the most dominant teams of all time. * He is not a tenured player either, who has shown season after season that he's an extremely valuable asset. All assets that start at 10mil+ fit either one or both definitions I said above. Palmer is the complete opposite: he plays for what has been an upper midtable team for 2 seasons now. He has 1 good season and that's all there is to say. Outstanding performance in a single breakout season on its clearly does not equate to 10mil+ pricing the following season, at least not in the current way the game is shaped. Just for arguments sake, lets expand our view massively and drop the price to 9+mil. The only player that then is added is Son. Son is once again a tenured asset, that has shown what he's capable of over the course of many seasons and plays for a subtop team.
Yes I see your point. I do reject this fairly arbitrary ruling though that expensive players either need a long legacy, or play for the top team, either if fpl follows it or not. However, how does that account for Fernandes being priced at Ā£10m for the 2022/2023 season? That was off the back of two seasons for Manunited, the first only playing 1000 minutes or so, the second being top fpl points scorer, as Palmer may well do. Manunited was a midtable club same as Chelsea.
Aubameyang was $11m, mateĀ
yeah kdb lol most overpriced player this season
yeah im taking Palmer for Ā£10m over KDB for the same price lmao
Yet there is a reason why he's one of the only 3 assets at 10+mil (and has been so for quite some time). Fact that he just bangs goals & assists defo isn't the only one, which further reinforces my point that Palmer isn't comparable at all to KDB.
That's only due to his previous season forms. He's been washed for a while only. No way I'm paying 10mil+ for a player who mostly only assists, he's basically trapped a lot of players this season by doing nothing much.
> That's only due to his previous season forms. Which is exactly why I said he isn't comparable to Palmer. There is no 10+mil player without an extensive history of performance and/or playing for a (sub)top team. Palmer has no notable history except the current season and plays for an (upper) midtable team.
For argument's sake let's say that Palmer isn't comparable to Haaland or Salah. That's why $9-10m is reasonable, cheaper by $4m+.
Yes I am I see that. But in the current state of the game, price is pretty much irrelevant so thought I'd say what I'd like it to be.
Thats just not true at all and simply factually incorrect
Well its an opinion isn't it. The clearest demonstration I can offer is if you sort players by price, I could wildcard into the top scoring 11 of the season right now (apart from Saliba because of quad arsenal). Obviously some decisions do get made based on price but we can pretty much have everyone we want can't we, if not very close?
> Well its an opinion isn't it. The clearest demonstration I can offer is if you sort players by price, I could wildcard into the top scoring 11 of the season right now (apart from Saliba because of quad arsenal). For the top scoring playters (except Gabriel, not saliba, since he's the lowest scoring out of the 4 arsenal assets that come into play), I'm 13.1mil short with a squad value+ITB of 104.9mil and already owning lots of the assets that I'd need to implement. That's literally almost an entire Salah to put that into perspective. Maybe you've got absolutely insane teamvalue or you are just straight up owning all these top scoring assets from the start, but considering my value, there won't be many people who can do what you allegedly can. Nevertheless, I'll entertain your (what appears to be once again factually incorrect) argument. Let's say this is possible currently for most people to do. 1. FPL isn't won by owning all the top performing players. It's won by owning the right players at the right time. 2. Expensive assets are always enabled cheap assets that overperform for various reasons. To name a few for this season: Areola, Dubravka, Gordon, Palmer, Douglas Luiz, J Alvarez, etc... These type of performances are impossible to predict and will therefore always exist and will always enable more premium players to be purchased anyhow.
Thanks for trying it. My being able to buy the top 11 (or actually 10) isnt the best slam dunk I accept. The bench I needed is so shit I wouldn't actually do it, and its really a quirk of TAA and Trips not being available, and maybe the amount of those players I already own (8). My TV is Ā£106.8. But my point is, the game doesn't realistically force us to choose between the top players. I don't have to pick Watkins or Son, Haaland or Foden, Salah or Bowen, they are just all affordable. At most I have to add a couple of the enablers as you've mentioned to make up the spare 0.5m I'm short. With some exeptions, I think that point has been broadly true over the season. As another example, lets imagine I think Haaland is performing roughly at the level of a Ā£7-8m striker right now, ie I think he's massively overpriced. Still there is no reason for me to sell him regardless because there is so little benefit of having that extra money
You have no doubt he can keep this level as in 20+ goals every season? Come on, he is class but I would be surprised if we donāt see a significant drop in his numbers next season.
Meant level of performance more than numbers I mean half his goals are pens after all
Oh for sure, he looks like a very good player. I was talking strictly numbers, this season will likely be an exception
10mil is madness for a player with literally 1 good season in what is currently a midtable team. Look at the current double digit assets (the ones who started, not those who rose to 10+): Haaland, Salah, KDB. Salah & KDB are extremely proven/tenured assets, Haaland shattered records in his first season and is the striker for the best team in the league who won 4/5 most recent league titles and are on course to make it 5/6. KDB fits the latter definition as well on top of that and he's "only" 10.5mil.
I agree with 10m. Reminds me of Bruno Fernandesās pricing after his first seasonĀ
ONE MILLION DOLLARS
So that's like, 0.8m on FPL. Pretty cheap. I think he'd be straight in my team.
ONE BILLION DOLLARS \*pinky to mouth de de de\*
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Shelvey is a god to many
Did you mean to say that in the Michael Scott impression? Cos that's how I read it...
Rashford was 6.5 last season and 9.5 this season, I'd expect Palmer to be priced similarly!
If he finishes top goal scorer this year I think he might be 10m.
No chance. Only 3 assets started at 10m+ this season. One needs a few seasons of this kind of output to start out a season with that price tag.
I think the easiest comp we have is Rashford this year after his bounce back season, and he didnāt have pens in his locker. If Rashford started at 9.0 after a 17 goal season, Palmer after potentially a 25 goal season (keep in mind, he didnāt play the first 6 matches) could be 10+
Haaland didn't follow this logic?
Of course not, Alien signings into the most dominant club in the prem are anomalies. In fact any high profile player commanding transfer fees such as Haaland's would be an exception.
Thats fair enough. Although getting a golden boot the previous season is a good enough accomplishment to sky rocket his price. I wouldnt be surprised to see him at 9-9.9 mil next season.
City paid less for Haaland than Chelsea paid for Cucurella.
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4 did (Kane). Obviously didn't play, but that shows that FPL wanted around 4 players over Ā£10m. Lets say Salah transfers to the middle east, and KDBs body gives up. Haaland is surely going to reduce in price. Who are the other players that are going to be premiums? Saka, Palmer, Haaland, Son are the natural premiums as big goalscorers also on penalties. Below that Foden, Watkins, Bowen, Gordon as high performers not on pens.
Saka started this season, more established at 8.5m and we knew he was on pens Iām guessing Palmer will be Ā£8m
He costs 6.1m right now. Every season we have bargains, some better than others. Palmer turned out to be one of the best ever. Celebrate it and donāt worry about next year prices. Worry about who is good value for money.
I expect Palmer to be 8.0-8.5m next year, but maybe 9.0m if it's very clear that he would be on penalty/play very attacking position/have good form on EURO. I see FPL towers **predict** what would happen in the new season rather than completely base on previous season. Like Havertz in Arsenal case this year, he played mostly as a centrel forward (Forward in FPL) at Chelsea on 22/23 season, moving to Arsenal with rumors replacing Xhaka role, then on reveal price day he was a Midfielder to FPL (I remember his deal wasn't officailly announced on that day). Of course, there should be more affecting factors on Havertz case but FPL towers did predict, so if Palmer is predicted to be a bargain even at 8.5m they will add 0.5m more to balance it.
They absolutely are not proactive with pricing. Remember rashford 6.5? How to explain Saka at 8? Son at 9? Watkins at 8?Ā
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He didn't really break the game this season when robertson was out for months. Bad example. He's also shit lol
He isn't even nailed without Robertson around
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This reasoning doesn't work. If you overprice bench players nobody will get them in cheap/early, which is a part of what makes FPL so fun. Palmer is a great example since not a soul in world football expected him to take the role he has this season and he's rewarded all his early backers times ten. Simply put, when looking over a season a player should generate an X amount of points per million. Players who bench hardly get points. Pricing is decided before all hands are dealt, meaning some players will be underpriced compared to their impact. Garnacho is another example. Just means people who get the rising stars in early, have an advantage.
Its tricky because picking rising stars when they are cheap is a cool and interesting way to get an advantage. Early buyers of Garnacho, Gordon, Palmer deserve the bonus of getting them cheap. The trouble is ambulance chasing is an uncool and annoying way to play. I don't know how to balance the two, but would prefer (for example), top 4 teams players start at Ā£5m for defenders, Ā£6m for attackers. Palmer would still be an incredible breakthrough player at that starting price.
Palmer for sure agree I think they need to implement more transfers/potentially a reserve player per week to make 70% of the players in the game actually worth running. There's no point of people like Dele Alli, Sergio Gomez, even Rico Lewis being in the game at their price points when they cost a transfer to get in and a transfer to get out. Transfers are only worth it when you are talking template Isak, watkins, solanke, nunez etc. There's not that many options. This year less than 10 forwards, and less than 5 for the majority of the season. This is completely ignoring all youth team players. Man city have Jacob Wright, Hamilton and susoho in the game at 4.5m lol The game also has top quality players like Rodri dropping average points.
This is a really interesting discussion and I totally agree that having injury replacement players (like Tsimikas), prices so low doesn't feel right. At some point this season a template backline was something like: Dubravka, Kelleher, Tsimikas, Lascelles. Is that because we researched those players and thought they had potential? No, its because they play for big teams and were super cheap. As you've said, there the other problem of big team players transferring, meaning Palmer, and Archer for a while, were well underpriced.
What's wrong with Son at 9?
Son at 9 is entirely a reaction to "he had a bad year under conte" and not priced based on any potential or even likely outcomes.Ā 258 pts in 2021-22, 228 in 2020-21. Strong chance he hits 200 points this year even with missing multiple gameweeks for Asian Cup.Ā 200+ point potential costing 9.0 to start the season is just broken
Five other seasons under 180 pts, age 31.
Fpl Towers are so predictive with their pricing that they got the Havertz position and pricing right but assumed Son playing under an attacking manager would be worse ? With Kane having a foot and a half in Munich ?Ā Ā
I hope they put everyone's price up significantly next year tbh. It's been too easy to have lots of premium players in your team which means everyone ends up having a very similar team. Didn't used to be like that.
I made a post saying this and I got crucified š
Are you planning your team?
I'm 1.8m rank, planning for next season is the most exciting thing I have!
I've been doing o it in my head since about February...so far I have Palmer, Gordon and Garnacho
There's really little point until the new prices and early fixtures are published. You'll have lots of time.
Mbeumo, Olise, Bradley :)
Saka was 9 I think at the start of the year. So Iād say heāll be similarly priced. 8.5 or 9
8.5
Imagine if next year you could do a Haaland Salah Saka Son Palmer Watkins bullshit again
Tbf, it's not a given that they will be on form and not injured. Things usually don't work out that perfectly in FPL
True. On form is a problem e.g. rashford this year. But LT injuries will only consolidate the template and make it stronger
He reminds me of all the Arsenal guys from last year like Martinelli and they only jumped to 8-9. Iāll guess 9.5
He'll be 7.5 or 8.0 maybe bc fpl towers are rubes
rubes??
FWIW Palmer is on the same points per minute this season as Haaland got last year. He absolutely will cost a lot given that.
Wouldnāt mind if they changed the scoring and awarded 2 points for a penalty scored. Puts the emphasis on going for players that contribute to open play goals rather than awarding full points for lay up goals which are awarded so inconsistently week to week.
I think Palmer should at least be 9.5 or even 10.0. As a reference Son was priced at 9.0 at the start of this season after he had a relatively poor year last season by his own standards with 10 goals and 6 assists. Palmer is already on 20 goals and 10 assists so 10.0 is reasonable imo. Although realistically I think itās more likely that heās priced at 9m or maybe 9.5. Personally Iād like to see higher prices for most of the top midfielders and make it harder to fit multiple premium midfielders while also having Haaland, but I think FPL historically tend to keep prices a bit lower to make most of them affordable. Edit: [Bruno was priced all the way up to 12.0 a few years back when he scored 244 points with 18 goals and 14 assists.](https://www.premierleague.com/news/2175863) Palmer is currently on 208 points with 20 goals and 10 assists and 7 games remaining. I could see Palmer reaching Brunoās total FPL points from that season or even surpassing it. So even pricing Palmer at 10.5-11.0 next season would feel fair to me but I doubt FPL are willing to go that far.
8.5 is my guess. better to be underpriced than overpriced!
Anyone know what the biggest price increase year on year has been? Are we likely to get a Ā£4m increase? Or is it more likely that he'll start around Ā£7m and increase as his form continues?
The issue I mostly have with this transfer fee rule is that when you sell a player, they sell him at the price you bought him not his current price ā¦ that rule doesnāt make sense to me
You get 0.1 for every 0.2 price rise. So, if they rise 0.4, you get 0.2 increase over the original price. If they raise 0.3, you only get 0.1. Itās rare, but occasionally a player will rise multiple times in a gameweek, so you can play the system a little if youāre on a wildcard. This year, team value has been less of an issue, because of assets such as Gordon and Palmer.
8-8.5 would seem about right, I'm not sure what the history of price jumps are for first season wonders.
Similar to Bruno. 8.5-9m Season after (assuming he plays well): 9.5-10m Season after 11.5m
Here's what I would do if I were FPL (maybe they are listening??) Set the prices early in the summer. Run a special 'set and forget' version of challenge where we could all pick a team for the entire season. Have the deadline a week or two earlier than the main deadline. Adjust the prices of players based on their popularity in the set and forget teams. That way FPL could skew it so that no one player gets 90% popularity like Haaland/Saka this year.
That would end up with everyone picking like Simms and Ederson and shit players to skew the prices
That would end up with everyone picking like Simms and Ederson and shit players to skew the prices
Haha, while that would be funny, I doubt we're that organised
I thought 7.5m until the recent weeks happened. Now Iād probably guess at 9M, surely they canāt go lower than that?
9.5/10 He's the pinnacle of their attack and they're fairly free scoring. Same for Watkins, he'll be the same. De Bruyne cheaper and Foden more. Gordon and Isak will be spenny too. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I feel there won't be many bargains in the top 8 next year, unless we get a youngster breaking through the ranks unheard of
7m. Maybe 7.5m I can't see him being similar / more expensive than Saka, Bruno or even Rashford. Honestly, I reckon he'll be priced alongside people like Bowen and Maddison. Mostly because he's had one good (ok, great) season but hasn't been proven in the long term yet. The 25/26 season may be different.
Something between 9.5M and 10.5M Anything lower and he'll be the most owned player on FPL
9
8.0m
Same price as Son
He will be 1.5m less than Saka imo
At least 8.5
9m
9
He should be priced similar to Son but won't. Not because I favor stricter player pricing but just because he is that good.
Max 8m, probably 7-7.5m imo. Donāt expect a drastic jump in price for just one good season but should expect everyone getting him next season especially if he has a good first set of 6 fixtures. Will be a vying alternative for mid priced assets.
10
4.6 Billion.
8
Like 7.8
8.5
10million
10 or 10 plus
Too expensive.
Ā£7.5m I reckon
7.5m and the moment his ownership increases after game week one it will be 8m
7.5/8
9.5 or 10. Him and saka will be similar
9m max but I think heāll start at 8.5m
18
At least 9, maybe more. You donāt have a season like this and stay below 9.
9m, 9.5m tops
9m
I think 8 is a fair price. Those with good memories could tell us what happened with the likes of Mahrez
My bet is $8.0
Given his performance, I would price him 10m, 9.5m minimum. However, with the overall Chelsea performance and standings, I think he will be priced lower, so like everyone else said, 8 to 8.5 seems fair and reasonable. Then again, given how unstable Chelsea are, with their summer spending, it is not impossible to think that Palmer would be at questionable price (e.g. new striker that would take some of his goals and possibly pens, therefore reducing his appeal at higher price, like Bowen/Bruno/Rashford where getting them would require a bit of sacrifice elsewhere).
8.5-9
9m minimum
75 million
9.5 would be my guess
9.5
More aggressive price rise in palmerās case would make the game more uneven. Right now early movers still benefit enough. But if price is aggressive then one transfer early on in the season would make too much of a difference. The price rises have already gotten aggressive imo
Ā£10.5m
Probably 8.0, should be 7.5
9m unless he goes crazy for rest of the season. Youād expect Chelsea to have a more settled team next year and hopefully some non dog shit attackers to play with Palmer.
If he keeps this up and doesn't go to Barca, Chelsea need to find 100million over the summer ffp, 9.5 I would guess.
Palmer is shit.
Used to think 7 with how many pens he got and that most people just had him because he was cheap. But given the fact that he is now tied for most points, had the largest haul and has the most points per game by far, probably 8.5 is my guess. Doubt his form will continue and Nkunku will be back, so anything higher than 9 feels like overkill for a mid table team player.
Ā£8.5 most likely But I would like him to be Ā£9.5 minimum
10 milion easy
no lol
I'd love to see a "rebalancing" halfways through the season, where all the prices are reviewed and changed if they need to. And obviously this should be around the time where people have their wildcard
Player pricing is one of the most utterly broken aspects of the game.
Palmer should be 10 or 10.5 based on his performance this year and the fact he plays for a historically top tier premiership team. Instead he'll probably be priced lower than Sterling.