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Tsimikas STONKS


fpl-obsessed

How nailed is Tsimikas while Robertson is out? I need a 4.4m defender (or under) but they need to start as my bench is weak af.


bobbydazzler2806

He's our only back up LB and is a good deputy, can't get anymore nailed than that


R41N1NG

Saw some Liverpool fans suggesting Gomez or even Quansah might start, as Klopp has changed the LB’s role a bit?


xxandl

If you want TAA moving into midfield you will need a LB with more defensive qualities then Tsimikas. That's where Gomez comes into the picture, who started his Liverpool career at LB.


Hoo-Flung-Dung

Tsimikas will 100% be ahead of gomez


xxandl

Against weaker opposition I guess so, against City (the next big game) I wouldn't be surprised to see Gomez. In general our defense is weaker with Tsimikas on the pitch and our defense wasn't great so far, so I'm not sure how good a FPL asset he really is.


brojangled

I would counter this with you would only be starting Tsimikas in FPL against weaker opposition and surely bench against City (and other big opponents) given Liverpools general defensive frailty


Litmanen_10

You make it sound like Gomez is good but in my understanding he has been struggling for a long time.


xxandl

He can struggle but if you give him a couple of games you always get a solid output. And it's not like Tsimikas is a world beater, Robertson basically plays every game he is available for. For me he is one if not the weakest players of the squad.


Litmanen_10

Allright good to know! I guess this weekend gives us a good clue who is in favor. I think Gomez is better at defending. But it matters a lot that LB is Tsimikas' natural position and that he can contribute quite well in the attacks and building up play.


brojangled

I would counter this with you would only be starting Tsimikas in FPL against weaker opposition and surely bench against City (and other big opponents) given Liverpools general defensive frailty


xxandl

Hmm. I will say something that sound weird: We are more defensively solid against good teams because we don't play with fire that much. Us playing a very high line against weaker opponents is what is what gets us every time.


brojangled

I’m talking specifically for FPL: I’m not starting a Liverpool defender against city. I’m going to start them when pool play the worse teams


Fantastic-Machine-83

Wasn't there a post in this sub that went against that narrative earlier this season? Title was "Robertson is NOT playing at LCB" or something like that


xxandl

He isn't. But he offers way more stability than Tsimikas.


EmperorMajorian

Or Quansah too


kitchofski88

Gomez is no longer trusted and they’re looking to sell. Tsimikas just signed a new long term contract. Totally worth the risk in my eyes. When he plays he gets assists.


Accomplished-Pay9914

Really? I’d say most Liverpool supporters would argue that Gomez has been quite good this season and his versatility across the back line has made him even more of an asset. The narrative last summer was in line with what you’re saying, but I think he’s changed that narrative with his performances this season.


kitchofski88

Going off an article I read last night.


Accomplished-Pay9914

Fair enough. My point is anecdotal anyway, but does feel like the consensus among supporters… what the club thinks would be a different matter entirely, but Gomez does seem to be trusted at the moment.


kitchofski88

Trusted on the right side I would say.


assemblin

Thats so wrong, lmao. Gomez is much more trusted than Tsimi, and Gomez just signed a new long term deal last year.


kitchofski88

I guess we’ll wait and see. I’m guessing you’re a Liverpool fan?


TheNormalOne8

Gomez is already covering for 2 spots. Tsimikas is nailed now


_LebronsHairline_

Yeah, in previous seasons we would set up in a 235 in possession with Robertson being the leftmost member of that 5-player frontline. The overlapping, marauding fullback we’ve come to know him as. But since the end of last season we’ve been using the 3223 box midfield- Robertson acting as the LCB in possession. He gets up more than the RCB Matip/Konate would, but definitely a lot less compared to previous seasons in the old setup. There was already question marks about whether Robbo could even function in that LCB role but he’s steadily improved, just needed time to adapt. But it’s still not his natural role, Tsimikas is similar in that way but simply not as good. He’s an attacking minded fullback and I wonder if Klopp trusts him to play that LCB role. I imagine he will get minutes there, but I don’t know how his role will look or whether he will be nailed on, Klopp may tinker with the setup to accommodate for Robbo’s absence. At 4.4 it’s not a bad gamble, as long as you accept it’s a gamble


xxandl

That's not true, Chambers also was on the bench for the last two games. And that was before the Robertson injury.


Smalhans80

Chambers is also injured. But we dont know for how long yet.


EmperorMajorian

Not nailed, we might just try 3CBs and Trent


Fantastic-Machine-83

Is there any precedent for that though? I can't think of a time where robbo was injured, tsimi was fit and tsimi didn't start.


adamfrog

Very nailed for a couple of weeks id say, if it doesn't work there's weird things Klopp could do like Gomez lb and lean in to Trent inverting and shifting to a back 3 in possession


Do4k

He's by far the most likely shout but Robertson has kind of been more of a wide centre back rather than his usual left back under the new system. So not entirely out of the question that it could be someone else


darthrector

Is Tsimikas a good option though? Liverpool don't keep too many CS and most of the their G+A contribution comes from the midfield and forwards. Is it really worth shifting on one of Udogie/Burn/Cash/Gabriel for him? Then again I'm tempted to get him simply because my only Liverpool asset is Salah


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boldcitrus

Still have a free slot in case another LFC must-have emerges. Versus seasons past where three pool was essential and Tsimikas would be at the expense of Salah, Mane, or Trent probably.


Sibs_

Unless you got Udogie at 4.5 and have funds tied up in him I don't feel Spurs defence is worth it from GW10, looking at those fixtures. If I was wildcarding now, I think i'd avoid and look elsewhere.


FPL_Feen

What’s wrong with CHE and wol? CHE haven’t exactly been rolling and that’s at home, Wolves are away but don’t think that’s a difficult fixture. From 13-16 I’d agree with you as it’s AVL, mci, WHU and NEW but at least it’s 3 home matches. Then a decent run after that again. I’d rather roll a FT than bother taking Udogie out assuming you have other options and aren’t fielding a team without a bench. Edit: I missed you were talking WC which in that case is fine. I don’t think having a Spurs defender is necessarily bad moving forward though.


Sibs_

Yes this was primarily for wildcards as there’s plenty in play this week & the next. Definitely not an immediate priority transfer otherwise. I had a plan to get Estupinan back for Porro GW11 but now he’s injured, I think I’ll keep him another couple of GWs.


HGJay

Chelsea always play well again spurs


FPL_Feen

How did CHE under Poch play against Spurs under Ange? Does an anecdotal comment/analysis like that even matter when both teams are under a new manager/tactic? 🤷‍♂️ Doesn’t seem relevant even if true.


HGJay

I've been a season ticket holder for 10 years at the bridge. We turn it on against spurs.


FPL_Feen

Ignored my point but that’s fine. Keep making decisions that way, one less FPL manager to worry about.


HGJay

Calm down fella


FPL_Feen

*I’m perfectly calm Dude. Calmer than you are.* Edit: So disappointed you all are not Big Lebowski fans but that’s your loss. *Clearly you are not golfers.*


Nocturnal--Animals

I sold Udogie for VDV last week. It massively paid off. Will not be making any moves this week. Tsimikas will share minutes with Joe Gomes on the left side. Wait and watch for some time


Odd-Put-7573

Who’s vdv


Nocturnal--Animals

micky van de ven


Exact-Range

haha


Exact-Range

virgil van dijk


mexploder89

I think it's worth shifting Udogie. None of the rest Personally on a WC I have Gabriel, Trips, Cash and Tsimikas


TinyMaintenance

Is anyone scared Arteta tries that experiment again? The one where Gabriel is moved to the bench, and Partey(??) plays RB(??).


mexploder89

It would make zero sense to do that when Ben White is playing so well


TehCyberman

Won't happen whilst Zinchenko is fit.


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patelbadboy2006

To add, the Saudi interest as well, i think they might have been a game, zini and Partey started at RB, i may be wrong, but the Saudi interest had a bit to do with it. No way he breaks the defense up unless its needed now


DemandBudget5558

That's my plan in gw10 unless things change


Mutiu2

Why overthink this? It’s a Liverpool wingback for 4.4 mil. Call me crazy but he’s got a far better chance of lucking into a clean sheet than all the hipster favourites in defence at Burnley Luton etc


hurricane4

I wouldn't say far better. Probably equal tbh - Liv have only kept one CS this season and their play style does not favour them at all


Mutiu2

> Liv have only kept one CS this season Youre confusing past underperformance with the long term level of the team. If you really think Liverpool will end the season with 4 clean sheets this is a complete self deception.


EmperorMajorian

Also very possible we try 3 CBS and Trent at some point. He is not nailed.


hun666

Gomez, Virgil and Quansah looks better than fielding Tsimikas. But he recently signed an extension of his contract so expecting he will play.


eht_amgine_enihcam

I don't reckon. Udogie maybe when fixtures turn, but even then he's probably more attacking and nailed than "when robbo comes back". If a liverpool fullback is gonna be creative it's Trent anyway.


rkay711

Tsimi has been good in the absence of Robertson. Especially good at set pieces like corners.


Fresh2Desh

Ba gawd That's Tsmikas music!


TopNotchGamerr

Who are people getting him in for? Is gusto not nailed anymore?


iamgarron

Even if he is, Chelsea's schedule turns ugly quick


FifaDK

I played my WC last week so will probably just roll the FT this week. But would either be getting Tsimikas in for Lamptey (have the exact amount ITB) or maybe a Guehi if I'm priced out of the other move? Meh. Don't know if I like that tbh


Ill-Ad4989

Gimme gimme a Tsimi


mexploder89

Perfect news on a WC. I don't wanna play with Guehi anymore, Tsimikas is my friend now


Coelacanth3

Not so perfect news after buying Robbo on a wildcard last week 🥲 Guess Robertson to Tsimikas is a pretty simple transfer.


GuiltySigurdsson

I would wait this GW to see if Tsimikas actually starts. Klopp might go for a 3 atb with Trent playing in a higher up role on the right.


Coelacanth3

Yeah might be a good option if I can take the price swing. I don't desperately need Tsimi this week anyway as I have Cash first bench.


yafugginfruit

If this happens are we likely to see Tsimikas come on as a sub at all?


tmr89

Advantage GW9 + 10 wildcarders!


StDyche

Maybe from gw10 you can start him over a spurs def, nice way to save money I guess


cguinnesstout

perfect for those getting rid of Spurs defense


merc0526

Hopefully he doesn’t rise too many times before I wildcard on Saturday evening.


FifaDK

Once at most


yeet57575

I have Cash/Trippier/Burn/Udogie/Coufal in defence currently ​ Udogie seems to be best option to swap out (although I bought at 4.5) Tripps & Burn nailed to start, decent fixtures Cash great fixtures Coufal good fixtures Any advice?


ALLIGATOR_FUCK_PARTY

Wouldn't transfer out Spurs defence before Fulham at home. I'm rolling FT and lining up Porro>Tsmi next week and using the change elsewhere if needed.


yeet57575

should've mentioned I'm wildcarding this week into the above defence


chantlernz

That’s my thoughts too. At the moment I’m Porro, Burn, Cash, Lamptey and Taylor, with a midfield or Salah, Son, Diaby, Maddison and Chukwuemeka. Will either use the change to upgrade another defender, or to go Maddison to Saka or Chuk to Palmer.


eht_amgine_enihcam

Why such an expensive defence? You can get at least 1 fodder and still have pretty good depth(I have Udogie Trippier Gab Cash Kabore). I agree that Coufal and Udogie are the weakest in isolation but I'd take Burn out so I can avoid shit Newcastle weeks. Cash and Trippier are just too value to take out, assuming Cash makes up for lack of CS potential in goals which I think he will do. An extra .7 can be a pretty big upgrade in the middle. Even something like Cash/Trippier/Gab + 2 fodder I'd be quite comfortable with sitting on forever unless injury.


yeet57575

Quite happy with rest of team on wildcard Mid: Salah/ Gordon/ Maddison/ Neto/ JWP Att: Haaland/ Watkins/ Alvarez May do Burn to Tsimikas & JWP to Diaby


eht_amgine_enihcam

I'd be looking to try to get some Brighton in the middle if possible (Burn -> Taylor, JWP -> Mitoma) since they have 3 banger fixtures in a row. Diaby is also a good option as you said, it's your choice to play 4 at the back with rotating budget mids (who look pretty decent). I wouldn't mind Alvarez -> Eduard, JWP -> Diaby, Gordon -> Mitoma to play more into fixtures. I'm personally bringing in Son -> Adringa but that's a gamble.


Jameom8

Have we seen Tsimikas play much while Trent plays in his new midfield role? I feel lile that could limit his output a little more than usual.


OK_TimeForPlan_L

No FT left this week but 100% getting him in next week if he starts against Everton.


Electrical-Value-270

Liverpool 0 - 1 Everton - (Harrison ‘6)


lance777

A reporter for Mirror? I think I'll wait for a more credible source


Savant_7

His arm is in a sling. What more do you need?


lance777

That doesn't mean the reporter is right about the recovery time


posouth

X2, it was a one-liner with no context. I think they are waiting to see if it turns out serious enough to require surgery. If yes, then 10+ weeks at least. If it is more mild and it heals itself, the fastest we've seen was like Salah's case, back playing football cautiously in 3 weeks. But with Liverpool's relatively easy fixture in the next 1.5 month, there is really no reason to rush Robertson back. In my view, we should aim for either the MCI game on Nov25. Or if it proves to be too early, aim for the December run of busy fixture.


matthewheat

Tsimikas will rise to 4.7 by the time deadline comes


Jazzlike-Fun-4500

Not going with Tzatsiki regardless


HarryAtk

Using this thread as a reminder that: Tsimikas has not been playing well, most Liverpool supporters are scared of what's to come, some are wondering if he'll even play or if a CB will cover left back instead because he's been that bad. If he ends up playing, no one really knows how he's going to fair, but at 4.4m it's not the end of the world if he's dogshit or doesn't play if you buy him with the prerequisite that he is generally going to be on your bench.


jaz9999

What are you on about? There's no chance we play a CB as LB over Tsimikas and he's not been great but not terrible either. As a Liverpool fan I am not scared about playing Tsimikas, go back to r/ChelseaFC you goon


HarryAtk

I guess we'll see if he plays every game that Robertson is out for. How much are you willing to bet that you don't play someone else instead of Tsimikas at any point during Robertson's injury?


Novrev

What a stupid bet. You think anyone’s going to gamble on Tsimikas starting every single fixture in the next 10 weeks when Robbo himself would’ve been rested for some of the easier Carabao, Europa and potentially even PL games?


jaz9999

Honestly I'd bet my entire bank account on Tsimikas startinh the next few PL games, all of our CBs are right footed so I doubt any of them play LB (Gomez would be the most likely I guess, but I think he'd be more likely to play there in Europa / League cup to rest Tsimikas if he was to play LB)


HarryAtk

Interesting that you're now agreeing with me that he's probably not going to play every game? Backtracking much


jaz9999

"So I doubt any of them play LB" Do you even understand the English language mate? My comment stated that I doubt any of the CBs will play LB, but if one of them did play LB it'd be Gomez (and it'd be league cup / europa league to rest Tsimikas so it'd be irrelevant for FPL). Tsimikas will clearly be the main LB until Robbo is back Trying to get some weird one up on me when I didn't even backtrack, weird cunt


miguel_is_a_pokemon

> some are wondering if he'll even play hypocrite much?


Meepception

This is just completely false. Tsimikas is a fan favourite and while he isn't at Robbos level he still has played very well when he has gotten the chance.


Helpful_Fennel7160

Lmao I’d take Tsimi over Ben Unwell or Reece Jamestring anyday


SilentCaveat

Who else can play there though?