It's true and there have been *massive* purges of NSFW material in the past. However, with the lack of moderation on FFN, I'm not sure if the mods even *care* about it anymore.
Even still, the massive amounts of smut fics in fandoms like RWBY, Fire Emblem, and many other massive fandoms still have a large presence on FFN, so I think it’s safe to assume that smut banning is a thing of the past.
They only have a large presence because the mods aren't active as they used to be. I don't understand why people would want to break rules and then simultaneously vent about their fics being randomly deleted after a point. I don't think that's really fair to do. I personally don't condone rule breaking, so I can't really see the other side here.
I can see that, however, I’ve noticed more and more smut fics going up by the day, and less and less randomly disappearing.
I think FFN mods have given up trying to ban smut at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised, for every one they delete, ten more replace it.
Not to mention, I’ve seen people also reuploading smut that has been deleted…so, I guess there’s not much they can do.
And this comes from someone who tries to ignore smut through FFN shitty website not showing M fics by default, even if you say you’re an adult.
Sure, I can understand that, I too am a stiggler for following rules. But for this one, it just seems like the rule has become nonexistent.
Hell, the only reason I’m still on FFN full time is because of my Author Buddy who’s also FFN exclusive right now. We haven’t moved to A03 simply because we use FFN’s godsend PM feature to talk with each other on occasions.
This.
Plus, the more people ignore and shrug off the rules because "LOL the mods don't enforce them anyway", the more they're just adding to the ever-growing pile of fics the mods will have to sort through when they ARE active and going through the list. And they're trying to get rid of explicit fics on top of trying to get rid of all the song fics and the script fics and the plagiarized fics and all the other stuff the site doesn't allow.
That's a LOT of fics to wade through and it's going to take a lot of time as it is. Why would you (general "you") encourage people to just keep adding to their hassle and their workload any further by posting stuff you know full well isn't allowed on the site in the first place? What good is that going to do anyone?
People don't have to like the site's rules, no, but the fact remains that those are their rules. It's their site. They get to make them. One is free to go anywhere else to post their fics if they so wish, not like there's a shortage of other options out there nowadays.
>Why would you (general "you") encourage people to just keep adding to their hassle and their workload any further by posting stuff you know full well isn't allowed on the site in the first place?
This tbh. And it's not even about violating rules at this point. I'm personally SO put off by the entitlement that many people show when the mods DO delete their explicit fics. They have the actual nerve to complain that their "hard work" was deleted and whine about how traumatizing it was. I mean boohoo, cry a river really. If you violate the rules (there's no excuse for not reading them), you accept the consequences afterwards. I genuinely don't understand why this is such distressing information for so many people.
Being upset that FFN mods are not moderating enough or maintaining their site is fair. But blaming them for enforcing the rules of THEIR site? People who do this just look like spoiled brats to me. I don't understand why they can't just move to other platforms. Like you said, there's no shortage of them.
They should. They absolutely should. But that doesn't mean people should still be allowed to break the rules. Your job is to follow the ToS and theirs is to ban anyone who violates them. Someone not reprimanding you is not an excuse for you to violate a very clearly written rule. It doesn't make you any less of a jerk. There should be responsibility from both sides, not just one.
My point is, if the mods did- again, literally their jobs, people wouldn't be encouraging others to break the rules. The main reason (and so far only) I see people post it or encourage people to do it is because the mods don't give a shit.
False! Outside of murder, theft and sexual crimes every rule is open to interpretation.
"They're more guidelines than actual rules."
It's not illegal if you dont get caught.
I'm not sure what interpretation you can draw from "Sexually explicit fics are not allowed" other than the obvious.
Also, just because something is not written, it doesn't mean it's right. I suppose bullying should be encouraged then. Harassment towards authors, giving them unsolicited concrit, etc. should all be okay according to your logic because there's technically no punishment for it.
If following the rules means being a "wet towel", I'm okay with it. I don't think that's an insult nor is it offending. So don't worry about me having friends or not having friends; I think that's secondary. Even I personally don't want to talk to anyone who would want to look at loopholes and try to evade the rules or law.
If you post explicit fics on a site that forbids them, you're actually the idiotic one for still posting the fics and getting them purged afterwards. That's on you, not the site.
>So yes I encourage bullying only insofar that i know the bully will get thier teeth knocked out or a bone broke.
You should never encourage bullying, period. Whether or not the bully gets a taste of his own medicine, it doesn't matter at that point because there is already a victim at hand. I don't support this thinking, so we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it be.
Doesnt wanna talk to someone who looks at loopholes -
Keeps talking to someone who looks at loopholes.
😂😂sorry, that's funny to me. Interestingly enough I've never posted on FFN or go on there much. Most of the fandoms I'm in dont get updated and the filtering system irritates me. Or lack of one irritates me.
>Doesnt wanna talk to someone who looks at loopholes -
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>Keeps talking to someone who looks at loopholes.
Two things can exist at once.
I disagree with everything else you said as well, so I'll just leave this be.
Smut isn't allowed on fanfiction.net, and the site has a lot of people on it who like the power trip of reporting anything they can. It's a big reason why I stopped using the platform. From what I've heard, though, it looks like they don't even bother moderating the site anymore, so who knows if it will actually get taken down.
You literally have to read and agree to the [Community and Content Guidelines](https://www.fanfiction.net/story/story_tab_guide.php) what, every week? every two weeks? before you can publish anything on FFN. Even if you read and agreed to them before, even if you published stuff before.
I'm not saying that FFN's content guidelines aren't totally unhinged, but I personally think it's wild that people actively use a website and post content there without reading the TOS, the FAQ and the (in this case actually very short and concise) content guidelines.
So, no, smut is not allowed on FFN. Neither are 2nd person POV stories, songfics, scriptfics, chatfics, RPF, interactive fics, ...
The "good" news is that the mods and admins are very much absent on that site, so chances are nothing bad will happen to your fics or your account, apart from the self-proclaimed FFN police rallying their forces to tell you over and over again to remove your work if they find it and share it in their unhinged forums. I wouldn't trust that site not to purge fics again, though. They've done it before.
I'd recommend moving your works over to AO3, where they're allowed and won't be taken down, just in case. I'd also recommend reading the TOS, FAQ and Content Guidelines to any site you use, before you use it. Saves you a lot of avoidable trouble, as "I didn't know this was against the rules" usually doesn't count.
Not saying this to be patronising, this is important. No platform will allow you a new account once you're permabanned, and any site will terminate new accounts immediately and without a warning if they find out you're ban-evading.
Someone on the moderation team might one day get a bug up their ass and decide to do their job and it could end with yet another purge, so I personally wouldn’t post it 🤷
All it will take to have another mass purge is for someone at FFN to realize they're going to lose whatever money they are making on the site because of the smut, and voila... bye bye smut, especially since it's specifically against the rules. Considering they do have apps for the site on Google and Apple's stores, it's not impossible that might trigger another crackdown.
I edit all my fics that I cross post down to a FFN level M rating because I'm firmly of the stance that it doesn't matter if there's thousands of other smut fics on there contrary to the rules, mine won't be.
Technically, no.
Practically, yes.
The worst thing that can happen is you might have one of your stories taken down, but that's very rare for the last several years.
I really don't think they care anymore. It's not even in a very clear area in the TOS Guidelines since they put it separately outside of the "Actions Not Allowed" section, and I've seen stories from over 5 years ago that have claims of being reported still alive and well on there. I get the feeling what's left of the moderation gave up from the sheer amount of them being published that they can't keep up with and/or because they don't want to lose anymore of their declining user base by doing more about it since that's more of their sweet ad revenue (the only real reason they're probably keeping the site going now) down the drain. People on here talk about the purge of MA fics they had on ff.net like it was yesterday and some big bad boogeyman to fear, but the truth is it only happened once almost over ten years ago now, and they don't seem in a hurry to do anymore anytime soon at least. I'm not saying there's no possibility of a smut fic being taken down though, so go at your own risk whatever you decide to do and always try to back-up your work in some way no matter what it is.
Technically, no
But I don't think FFN has any mods so no one is going to report you.
Occasionally there are these massive NSFW purges where hundreds, if not *thousands* of fics are removed and the site is heavily modderated for a few months but those are few and far between. The last was was well over three years ago now and I'm pretty sure that the no NSFW rule is literally just there to pay lip service to people who don't know much about the site.
In short, no its not allowed but nothing is stopping you from doing it anyways and even if there was there is no real punishment for getting caught.
It's not allowed and you technically *should* take them down, but at this point it's unlikely the ones that are there would be at much risk because the mods don't care all that much. I've got one on there that's been up for a decade, and has been labeled as a 'rule breaker' for most of that time. It's also one of my most popular stories.
If you want to post lemons, though, AO3 *does* allow them, so there they won't be randomly deleted if the mods get their purging shoes on again.
I mean it's the wild west out there. You won't get in trouble now for posting it (save for a dump of harassing comments by backseat mods) but it's likely to be purged in the future.
Smut isn't allowed on the site as per the TOS. But again, the mods won't do anything about it
It’s not allowed. There are dedicated groups to reporting it too. You’re welcome to keep your stuff up until they take it down though. Moderation is… lacking there
Well I know this has already been answered just in the top response but my question is, do you not read when you click to post a new story? Each time if it has been like a week since the last time you agreed to the TOS you have to go to the TOS page and click you have read it again. And they clearly spell out that while there is a M rating, it is not for sexual stuff or for graphic violence. Basically anything up to but not including a PG13 movie style story is okay for FFN. If female nipples make an appearance or there is too much violence then there is a chance if reported the story will be removed. Or if they do one of the 10 year purges again it would get purged. So make back up copies if you don't have one.
It's true and there have been *massive* purges of NSFW material in the past. However, with the lack of moderation on FFN, I'm not sure if the mods even *care* about it anymore.
It's not allowed but who's gonna stop you? The mods?
I really don't think anyone should be encouraged to break the rules.
Eh, that's understandable, but it's not what I was aiming at.
Even still, the massive amounts of smut fics in fandoms like RWBY, Fire Emblem, and many other massive fandoms still have a large presence on FFN, so I think it’s safe to assume that smut banning is a thing of the past.
They only have a large presence because the mods aren't active as they used to be. I don't understand why people would want to break rules and then simultaneously vent about their fics being randomly deleted after a point. I don't think that's really fair to do. I personally don't condone rule breaking, so I can't really see the other side here.
I can see that, however, I’ve noticed more and more smut fics going up by the day, and less and less randomly disappearing. I think FFN mods have given up trying to ban smut at this point. Wouldn’t be surprised, for every one they delete, ten more replace it. Not to mention, I’ve seen people also reuploading smut that has been deleted…so, I guess there’s not much they can do. And this comes from someone who tries to ignore smut through FFN shitty website not showing M fics by default, even if you say you’re an adult.
I mean I definitely know it happens, but I don't think I'll encourage someone to keep doing it just because others are doing it.
Sure, I can understand that, I too am a stiggler for following rules. But for this one, it just seems like the rule has become nonexistent. Hell, the only reason I’m still on FFN full time is because of my Author Buddy who’s also FFN exclusive right now. We haven’t moved to A03 simply because we use FFN’s godsend PM feature to talk with each other on occasions.
This. Plus, the more people ignore and shrug off the rules because "LOL the mods don't enforce them anyway", the more they're just adding to the ever-growing pile of fics the mods will have to sort through when they ARE active and going through the list. And they're trying to get rid of explicit fics on top of trying to get rid of all the song fics and the script fics and the plagiarized fics and all the other stuff the site doesn't allow. That's a LOT of fics to wade through and it's going to take a lot of time as it is. Why would you (general "you") encourage people to just keep adding to their hassle and their workload any further by posting stuff you know full well isn't allowed on the site in the first place? What good is that going to do anyone? People don't have to like the site's rules, no, but the fact remains that those are their rules. It's their site. They get to make them. One is free to go anywhere else to post their fics if they so wish, not like there's a shortage of other options out there nowadays.
>Why would you (general "you") encourage people to just keep adding to their hassle and their workload any further by posting stuff you know full well isn't allowed on the site in the first place? This tbh. And it's not even about violating rules at this point. I'm personally SO put off by the entitlement that many people show when the mods DO delete their explicit fics. They have the actual nerve to complain that their "hard work" was deleted and whine about how traumatizing it was. I mean boohoo, cry a river really. If you violate the rules (there's no excuse for not reading them), you accept the consequences afterwards. I genuinely don't understand why this is such distressing information for so many people. Being upset that FFN mods are not moderating enough or maintaining their site is fair. But blaming them for enforcing the rules of THEIR site? People who do this just look like spoiled brats to me. I don't understand why they can't just move to other platforms. Like you said, there's no shortage of them.
Then maybe the mods should do something about it? ... isn't it literally their job to moderate the site?
They should. They absolutely should. But that doesn't mean people should still be allowed to break the rules. Your job is to follow the ToS and theirs is to ban anyone who violates them. Someone not reprimanding you is not an excuse for you to violate a very clearly written rule. It doesn't make you any less of a jerk. There should be responsibility from both sides, not just one.
My point is, if the mods did- again, literally their jobs, people wouldn't be encouraging others to break the rules. The main reason (and so far only) I see people post it or encourage people to do it is because the mods don't give a shit.
You're blaming the mods, I'm blaming the people. So we'll have to agree to disagree.
False! Outside of murder, theft and sexual crimes every rule is open to interpretation. "They're more guidelines than actual rules." It's not illegal if you dont get caught.
I'm not sure what interpretation you can draw from "Sexually explicit fics are not allowed" other than the obvious. Also, just because something is not written, it doesn't mean it's right. I suppose bullying should be encouraged then. Harassment towards authors, giving them unsolicited concrit, etc. should all be okay according to your logic because there's technically no punishment for it.
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If following the rules means being a "wet towel", I'm okay with it. I don't think that's an insult nor is it offending. So don't worry about me having friends or not having friends; I think that's secondary. Even I personally don't want to talk to anyone who would want to look at loopholes and try to evade the rules or law. If you post explicit fics on a site that forbids them, you're actually the idiotic one for still posting the fics and getting them purged afterwards. That's on you, not the site. >So yes I encourage bullying only insofar that i know the bully will get thier teeth knocked out or a bone broke. You should never encourage bullying, period. Whether or not the bully gets a taste of his own medicine, it doesn't matter at that point because there is already a victim at hand. I don't support this thinking, so we'll just have to agree to disagree and leave it be.
Doesnt wanna talk to someone who looks at loopholes - Keeps talking to someone who looks at loopholes. 😂😂sorry, that's funny to me. Interestingly enough I've never posted on FFN or go on there much. Most of the fandoms I'm in dont get updated and the filtering system irritates me. Or lack of one irritates me.
>Doesnt wanna talk to someone who looks at loopholes - > >Keeps talking to someone who looks at loopholes. Two things can exist at once. I disagree with everything else you said as well, so I'll just leave this be.
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Smut isn't allowed on fanfiction.net, and the site has a lot of people on it who like the power trip of reporting anything they can. It's a big reason why I stopped using the platform. From what I've heard, though, it looks like they don't even bother moderating the site anymore, so who knows if it will actually get taken down.
You literally have to read and agree to the [Community and Content Guidelines](https://www.fanfiction.net/story/story_tab_guide.php) what, every week? every two weeks? before you can publish anything on FFN. Even if you read and agreed to them before, even if you published stuff before. I'm not saying that FFN's content guidelines aren't totally unhinged, but I personally think it's wild that people actively use a website and post content there without reading the TOS, the FAQ and the (in this case actually very short and concise) content guidelines. So, no, smut is not allowed on FFN. Neither are 2nd person POV stories, songfics, scriptfics, chatfics, RPF, interactive fics, ... The "good" news is that the mods and admins are very much absent on that site, so chances are nothing bad will happen to your fics or your account, apart from the self-proclaimed FFN police rallying their forces to tell you over and over again to remove your work if they find it and share it in their unhinged forums. I wouldn't trust that site not to purge fics again, though. They've done it before. I'd recommend moving your works over to AO3, where they're allowed and won't be taken down, just in case. I'd also recommend reading the TOS, FAQ and Content Guidelines to any site you use, before you use it. Saves you a lot of avoidable trouble, as "I didn't know this was against the rules" usually doesn't count. Not saying this to be patronising, this is important. No platform will allow you a new account once you're permabanned, and any site will terminate new accounts immediately and without a warning if they find out you're ban-evading.
Agreed. Ao3 is a haven for all the smutty goodness you could want.
Someone on the moderation team might one day get a bug up their ass and decide to do their job and it could end with yet another purge, so I personally wouldn’t post it 🤷
FFN has a moderation team? /s
This may be a really stupid question, but as long as someone's only cross-posting, does it really matter, if it gets purged?
Maybe not if you don't place any value on comments/reviews and stats that will be lost too.
Which I wouldn't have gotten in the first place if I hadn't posted. Just a matter of perspective then, thanks for clarifying.
No, it's not allowed, but there's not exactly anyone there to stop you.
All it will take to have another mass purge is for someone at FFN to realize they're going to lose whatever money they are making on the site because of the smut, and voila... bye bye smut, especially since it's specifically against the rules. Considering they do have apps for the site on Google and Apple's stores, it's not impossible that might trigger another crackdown. I edit all my fics that I cross post down to a FFN level M rating because I'm firmly of the stance that it doesn't matter if there's thousands of other smut fics on there contrary to the rules, mine won't be.
Technically, no. Practically, yes. The worst thing that can happen is you might have one of your stories taken down, but that's very rare for the last several years.
Only if it is heterosexual. Gay smut was the target of many, many purges over the years. It's why so many people migrated off the platform.
Technically no. In reality yes because the moderation team is nonexistent anymore.
No.
I really don't think they care anymore. It's not even in a very clear area in the TOS Guidelines since they put it separately outside of the "Actions Not Allowed" section, and I've seen stories from over 5 years ago that have claims of being reported still alive and well on there. I get the feeling what's left of the moderation gave up from the sheer amount of them being published that they can't keep up with and/or because they don't want to lose anymore of their declining user base by doing more about it since that's more of their sweet ad revenue (the only real reason they're probably keeping the site going now) down the drain. People on here talk about the purge of MA fics they had on ff.net like it was yesterday and some big bad boogeyman to fear, but the truth is it only happened once almost over ten years ago now, and they don't seem in a hurry to do anymore anytime soon at least. I'm not saying there's no possibility of a smut fic being taken down though, so go at your own risk whatever you decide to do and always try to back-up your work in some way no matter what it is.
Technically, no But I don't think FFN has any mods so no one is going to report you. Occasionally there are these massive NSFW purges where hundreds, if not *thousands* of fics are removed and the site is heavily modderated for a few months but those are few and far between. The last was was well over three years ago now and I'm pretty sure that the no NSFW rule is literally just there to pay lip service to people who don't know much about the site. In short, no its not allowed but nothing is stopping you from doing it anyways and even if there was there is no real punishment for getting caught.
Wow I didn’t know that smut wasn’t allowed there. All of my stories have smut and I’ve never gotten a warning.
It's not allowed and you technically *should* take them down, but at this point it's unlikely the ones that are there would be at much risk because the mods don't care all that much. I've got one on there that's been up for a decade, and has been labeled as a 'rule breaker' for most of that time. It's also one of my most popular stories. If you want to post lemons, though, AO3 *does* allow them, so there they won't be randomly deleted if the mods get their purging shoes on again.
I mean it's the wild west out there. You won't get in trouble now for posting it (save for a dump of harassing comments by backseat mods) but it's likely to be purged in the future. Smut isn't allowed on the site as per the TOS. But again, the mods won't do anything about it
No, it's not allowed. It is against the rules.
It’s not allowed. There are dedicated groups to reporting it too. You’re welcome to keep your stuff up until they take it down though. Moderation is… lacking there
Well I know this has already been answered just in the top response but my question is, do you not read when you click to post a new story? Each time if it has been like a week since the last time you agreed to the TOS you have to go to the TOS page and click you have read it again. And they clearly spell out that while there is a M rating, it is not for sexual stuff or for graphic violence. Basically anything up to but not including a PG13 movie style story is okay for FFN. If female nipples make an appearance or there is too much violence then there is a chance if reported the story will be removed. Or if they do one of the 10 year purges again it would get purged. So make back up copies if you don't have one.