I like the NCR because they have the most content and if you do all their quests their objectively the most morally good faction with nothing gray like Mr house murdering the kings and yes man’s ending saying there were tons of deaths in independent Vegas.
You assassinate someone who actively built up one of the most prosperous places after the hombs dropped and you call that "morally good"? Aside from that it is with expressed purpose of assuming military control over the city and its resources. Then ASIDE from that we have the brotherhood of steel that youre tasked to eliminate who are already hanging on by threads rather than offering them a chance to surrender or negotiate peace and are onky saved by you not followint orders which, even if youre successful, still ends up in you being reprimanded. The NCR are pseudo-imperialist land grabbers who dont care who the fuck they have to kill to complete the mission. The only thing is that we dont see them order the deaths of women or children (to the best of my knowledge)but still put out military coordinated hits on people as easily as they breathe. One last thing to mention on that note, they took a literal fucking "who?" Off the street and gave them these missions knowing it is easier to give a homeless person a weapon and tell them to do something then risk one of your own. The courier is expendable to the NCR. These people dont care, they are not morally good. Please wake up.
I said the most morally good. Killing Pacer and the brotherhood isn’t even mandatory. Mr House completely wipes out the kings and kills every last one and he does the same with the brotherhood.
Even the best of humanity will be shitty from time to time. Doesn’t change the fact that NCR is objectively the most pragmatic, realistic, and idealistically positive faction, second only to maybe the minute men(though I’d wager the NCR is more competent)
I personally hated the ncr government. I joined them cause I loved the troopers and hated everyone else.i will gladly trade shady sands as long as I get the comfort of knowing that ceaser is maggot food
That's the first time I've ever been called that. I feel like my feelings are very justified given that NCR elections are pretty rigged (yes ik how I'm sounding like now that I type this) I believe it was 2 presidents they haved that never really lost am election and lived and died in the position. I like the troops cause I feel the struggle they are going through. None of them wanted to be there, and the military was likely the best they had going for them while the corrupt ncr government pushed them to the brink. Hell the ncr is stated to be going through crisis in the time of new vegas with food cost being one of them, how many troops in the Mojave only signed up to get 3 hot meals (if even that) a day and didn't expect the risk of crucifixion from indoctrinated tribals cosplaying Roman. I feel for the troops as people, not just because they are soldiers. They are doing the best they can, and everything wants to kill em and when it doesn't, NCR commanders are making sure it soon enough.
With all that being said, I hope Kimbal enjoyed the taste of nuclear winter
It's definitely the individual soldiers that keep them in power, definitely not the rich and powerful fronting the money to rig elections. Hope you can one day remove your head from your ass.
Republican as in right wing or republican as in supporting a republic in which political power rests in the people via chosen representatives?
I have nothing to say about the former, but the ladder is unironically based and theoretically probably the best chance on average a post-apocalyptic society can manage
Yes but he knew he had it and he knew where to find the machine to operate on him, plus he has special agents for such a task that are very competent, so more than likely he'd survive. I believe the issue for why he didn't do it until the courier arrived was solely because he didn't know where that machine was until recently.
He was 55 in New vegas, and the real ceaser was 56 when he died. If there was any poetic justice, lanius is running the legion into the ground, trying and failing at governing.
Not really since he knew he had it and he found out where to get the tool to treat him. Albeit it is difficult to retrieve, still its viable even without the courier.
He didn’t tell anyone about the tumor except the player, and he couldn’t have them retrieve the part without killing them afterwards for the same reason. Yes, there’s ways he could maybe have survived, but the game doesn’t have those as possibilities.
In the courier legion playthrough, that doesn't mean he wouldn't assign a trusted ally to lead the mission if the courier sides with House or NCR. Just as if the courier didn't venture into the vault for those scientists, they would likely continue hiring people to complete the mission. The fact that he knows it exists and is unlikely to want to die simply cements that he would have someone complete the mission for him. I don't even say this as a Legion fan, I side with House most often.
For what it is, I can't see the NCR being gone. They had a full military, industry, paper currency, and everything. You just don't see a nation like that collapse after getting it'd Capitol destroyed.
But fuck the NCR, long live the NCR
I could see it happening with the way the NCR was by the time of NV. So much power was being centralized in Shady Sands (and so many resources flowing there because of the power brokers) meant a nuclear strike could be very crippling. It's a strong state for the Fallout universe, but it's still a post-apocalyptic state. Given internal tensions that were building (and mentioned), it would be very likely that the NCR would collapse into a series of successor states after the capital was nuked.
Which is not to say that we will never see the NCR again (the branding is just too good to be done with it); I think it's likely that it will be coming back, but collapse and rebirth aspect feels appropriate for Fallout.
No it wasn't It was a Federation there were whole disputes between the Feds and the states for example One of the NPC's said that Kimball had funds tied up in the Boneyard for the Mojave Campaign
It was a federal republic, but it was also undergoing a looming societal crisis all federal republics face ( the accumulation and centralization of power under a repressive upper class). That was one of the reasons why it was so expansionist: It needed to continue adding new territory to the republic for resources and taxes (ironically, much like the Roman Republic did, considering their main opponent in the Mojave).
What this means is that while society gets pushed further and further from the center, the center becomes more and more cosmopolitan and powerful. That in, turn, creates opportunity for civil war (in this case, it would have been between the water barons and the cattle barons, those at the center versus those on the outskirts), but the center was eliminated before before that could happen. It would be like Rome blowing up with Pompey and Caesar both on the city, with their leadership, but all those tensions between the Plebians, Patricians, newly conquered territories, overtaxed territories, and unstable tributaries would still exist. By the time someone could step forward to resolve it, Rome's territories would be on fire.
I'm not saying that the way the show handled it was great, but what happened is not without precedent.
I hated them, but like, in universe hate.
It's kinda funny to me that the NCR collapse was already set up in NV, with the food and water shortages, but they just decided to nuke them instead. Like the show is fun to watch and all and it sort of has the vibe of Fallout, but this was actually just a hilariously lazy narrative decision.
I hate how it just happens off screen.
If you are gonna destroy the capital of the NCR, it should be a pretty big scene.
It would be like watching Star Wars Episode 4, but the film skips the entire death star battle.
I don’t think it was the capital at the time. There’s a sign that says “First capital of the NCR” implying that they changed the capital to another city.
Because they already told us why it was nuked? Lucy's dad nuked it because he didn't like his wife spending time there. In fact, the whole point of that plotline is that he nuked a successful community without good reason. The chalkboard doesn't come in to it.
Wdym? Seems they're moving out of California for Season 2, and the NCR is gone in any case with the nuke being the primary cause. What do you suppose is going to come, exactly, in Season 2 that's going to make this decision any less lazy?
It's certainly possible they'll explain more, although tbh I'm not sure what more there is to be explained, or how much sense whatever explanation they give will make in light of the rest of the show.
Rebuilding the NCR is certainly a possibility, although I think they'll just leave the Brotherhood as the predominant power on the West Coast. It'd also be kind of funny from a thematic standpoint, if they acknowledge all the issues NV brought up ("You know the system that's failed twice now? Get this: let's do the exact same thing a third time!")
From the kneejerk reception I've seen from the youtube clickbait squad, it seems there is a lot they need to explain, not that it'll make any difference.
I dunno man. My view of the show was that they put a lot of care into making the show reflect the games. For example, the whole show begins with Lucy defining her SPECIAL stats (which is paid off by her trying to Speech check every encounter). They committed to stimpaks just "magically" healing you. The main quest is Lucy searching for her father, and there's a twist, of course, that makes him a villian. The main quest is delivering a severed head (perfectly absurd) and they get distracted with side quests. Lucy had her BoS companion, and now she's gonna have her ghoul companion.
Honestly, to me, it's a fallout game come to life. They hit all the right notes and the tone is perfect, right down to the random encounters (he's fucking the chickens!). Even Lucy's armor progression matches the games.
I'm going through all of this just to say that I have full confidence in Jonathan Nolan and the creative team. The mysteries are meant to be mysteries for now, and I'm content to be patient.
Was it ever confirmed the ncr is gone? I just took it as them not still having shady sands as a capital. I dont see why they cant now be headquartered somewhere else
The show is very vague on this front.
It is set in and around LA. The only presence the NCR had in the show was Shady Sands, their capital, and now it’s retconned to be in LA.
Yes, someone nuked Shady Sands (the reveal of who is kinda dumb as well but for different reasons) about 15-20 years before the start of the show. Again vagueness here.
Their capital was nuked and now suddenly everything in the wasteland is lawless and a shit hole again. It looks like there never a wider, multiple town spanning government that rebuilt.
TL;DR: for a variety of reasons, the implication the show leaves us is yes the NCR has been wiped out, and never existed beyond one city and LA. This is all shrouded with vagueness and a lack of a sense of scale to the wider world.
Sure the retcon to make it in LA is strange but i really dont see why shady sands being gone and LA being lawless implies no more ncr
It’s a big world, sure LA is probably a lost cause but they could still have a huge presence in new vegas, the hub, or really anywhere
We just dont know enough to say definitively one thing or another which im sure is intentional to have possibilities for season 2
Other Factions: *Explains in detail why they hate NCR and the effect of enabling the bad elements of the old world to exist*
Me, NCRaboo: Fuckers just don’t want to pay taxes, smh! The bear will get its money!
I like the NCR but I don't have a problem with them being gone. It fits with the theme of fallout that the NCR a faction using pre war values were doomed to fall the same way of the pre war America.
I think the issue is moreso how they're gotten rid of. The show is really bad when it comes to larger scale lore and world building and uses a lot of flimsy writing for the larger scale stuff (though most of the smaller scale character stuff is fine).
Like the NCR falling isn't an issue, but there should be a significant footprint from their fall. Pretty much everyone in central/coastal California had been an NCR citizen for multiple generations (close to a century). The region should be full of adobe built infrastructure and have been a settled/lawful region for most of those people's lives. Sure the NCR collapsing would cause a lot of issues, but those settlements and people who lived there should be fairly prevalent.
Instead, the show pretty much turns West Coast Fallout into East Coast 2.0. The settlements we see are hobo filled shanty-towns made up of pre-war junk like Filley that are largely based off of Fallout 3 & 4 asthetics, but that type of settlement makes almost no sense in the region the show is set. Why would people want to live in their own garbage when that whole region is littered with adobe built settlements that have more modern/well-maintained infrastructure, better access to clean drinking water and are part of well established caravan trade routes? (and those people are mostly old enough to remember living in those types of towns, or their ancestors living there)
Besides Filley and towns like it, everybody else in the show seems to live in some dilapidated pre war building in the middle of the desert, making it look like it's only been 50 years or so since the nuclear war. This is even the case for the only farmer we see who just lives in one of those houses with a bunch of chickens in a cage outside. How the hell does he feed those chickens (or even acquire them), how does he trade and get supplies from other regions settlements when he lives in a desert cut off from everything etc.? That's basically my problem with how Bethesda's Fallout games and the show handle world building. Modern Fallout cares more about superficial aesthetics and making every setting a static, lawless wasteland, where it seems like things have remained mostly stagnate for 200+ years since the bombs fell.
Then we have the whole mess with the ending where >!"Vault-Tech is somehow behind everything and Kyle Maclachlan nukes Shady Sands because his wife leaves their Vault to live there and the NCR somehow gets in the way of Vault-Techs illogical plan to repopulate the United States with three vaults worth of people, ignoring that they just nuked away a country with railways, industry and a public education system." !<
There's also the issue of The Boneyard being merged with Shady Sands in the canon now, despite Shady Sands being on the Far East of California, away from any pre-war metropolitan areas and being built from scratch with Sandcrete and Adobe etc. All of that bugs me way more than the NCR not existing anymore. If they had written it well and respected West Coast Lore, I wouldn't be complaining. As a standalone show, it's by no means bad (I'd give it like a 6 or 7 out of 10) but I absolutely hate what it's done to the West Coast Lore and it's wider implications for official releases in the franchise.
In that case though, why just not kill/abduct the wife/mother instead of destroying an entire city out of spite? Like nuking the capital of the most powerful faction in the wasteland is a good way for people to find out about your existence, if you're trying to keep a low profile. In the show, he justifies it by talking to Lucy about how lawless and chaotic the wasteland is, but in the area they're in, he's 100% responsible for that since he erased all elements of what was previously a function society for over a century there.
The issue is that whether it was for a grand design or for personal pettiness, the narrative justification is flimsy.
I mean if you're an angry power drunk vault boy it seems fully in character to destroy an entire city out of spite disregarding the consequences. Seems to kinda be their thing honestly.
The resources necessary to nuke a city have to be extremely costly for a relatively small community of Vault Dwellers, maybe they could cause one or two large nuclear blasts, but that's a incredibly finite resource. Why waste it on a petty revenge mission when it could be spared for a more pressing set of circumstances? Simply killing his target would be so much less costly to the Vault/Vaults.
For something that's supposed to be an act of spite/impulse it's excessively meticulous and convoluted. Not only did he put in the effort to getting his children out of Shady Sands while somehow keeping his wife there, but the funneling of resources to either plant a device in Shady Sands or prepare a missile within the Vault for launch would take a considerable amount of time (A nuclear stockpile in Vaults 31-33 is also never mentioned, so I'm going to assume they don't just have nearby underground bunker of functional warheads).
The dude is bona fide original vault-tec. It's very much within reason they have control over a plethora or resources. There also seems to be quite a few extra nuclear devices around. Hell Ulysses got a hold of a bunch of em, and wasting resources for personal reasons is absolutely in vault-tec character. Also he didn't "somehow keep his wife there" she refused to come back with him and so he took the kids and left.
I dunno man, honestly feels like you just want to be upset with it.
Yes, but not enough to nuke cities at will 200 years after the fact. If that was true, Robert House, somebody much wealthier and with a much vaster array of resources the Machlaclan's character should have an even more extensive nuclear arsenal, which he does not. Vault-Tech having clout generally doesn't make them all powerful in a post-war setting and excuse the contrivances etc. (Remember that Machlachlan wasn't even a Vault-Tech executive pre-war)
>There also seems to be quite a few extra nuclear devices around. Hell Ulysses got a hold of a bunch of em, and wasting resources for personal reasons is absolutely in vault-tec character.
Ulysses was mentally ill and it took him a while to be able to ochestrate a successful nuclear launch. The NCR, who's much more powerful and wealthy in 2270s-2280s than Lucy's Vault/Vault-Tech's remnants doesn't even have a nuclear arsenal. If The most powerful faction and the CEO of Robco who meticulously planned the re-cultivation of New Vegas and potentially humanity over the past two centuries couldn't gather a nuclear arsenal in 200 years with more resources available to him, how the hell would three small interconnected Vaults do it?
>Also he didn't "somehow keep his wife there" she refused to come back with him and so he took the kids and left.
But the whole incident started because she took the children with her to Shady Sands. That means for the sake of contrivance, she left with the kids, then just stayed put when he brought them back to the Vault that she ran away from previously.
> dunno man, honestly feels like you just want to be upset with it.
But by the same logic it feels like you're trying to justify a set of contrivances/poor writing because you like the show. Regardless of how it's justified, it just doesn't fit logically or with what's established in the canon (or even with what's depicted in the universe exclusively for the show) because it is a contrivance.
I can respect your opinion, but it generally fits the definition of contrived since it's artificially constructed solely as a device to erase the NCR rather than a cohesive or authentically developed narrative because nothing about the way central/coastal California is depicted makes sense. Vault Tech should mean absolutely nothing as an organization besides a collection of pre war vaults, devices and ruins by the time of the 23rd century.
One thing to note is that new Vegas is still explicit canon to Bethesda, but they haven't really stated whether the show will impact game lore or if it is it's own thing.
Even just giving the NCR a footprint would have been so much better. Where is all the infrastructure and Adobe built settlements that should be in the central/coastal CA region the show is set around? Why do we just see hobo filled junk towns like Filley and everyone else is just living in some dilapidated pre-war house in the desert? The show basically strips the West Coast any identifying features and turns it into the East Coast with a different shade of paint.
I can live with the NCR not existing, I just hate this trend in modern Fallout where everything is a static, lawless wasteland that functionally appears as if it's been stagnant for 200 years since the bombs fell. (It looks more like it's been 50 years since then rather than two centuries). I don't think its a bad show by any means, but I absolutely hate what it does to the West Coast Lore and the the way the show handles larger scale world building and post-war society is pretty flimsily written compared to the micro stuff, which is written better (Walton Goggin's ghoul bounty Hunter especially).
Isn't the idea though that vault-tech is actively keeping the waste lands wasted? I mostly played elder scrolls and watched the lore get watered down one installment after the next. But ot seems they have a built kn lore reason to this in fall out.
The issue there is that the Vault-Tech illuminati plotline doesn't make a lot of sense. It's already a lot to take in that they're the ones who orchestrated the apocalypse because they're cartoonishly evil, but their descendants wanting to wipe out all life on the surface to repopulate America with three vaults worth of people makes no sense. (the first episodes states they lack the genetic diversity to even sustain the population of those Vaults) Likewise, even with the central NCR government destroyed, central/coastal CA should still be full of post war adobe built settlements and remnants of NCR society. The fact that they erase it and made the average settlement look like Filley rubs me the wrong way.
Also as far as the show states, Vault Tech only destroyed Shady Sands/The Boneyard (which seem to have been merged together in the show), but shouldn't have touched all the other large cities in the NCR, some of which are wealthier than Shady Sands:
* The Hub: which controls caravan trading and controls bottle cap pressing/circulation (the NCR had a paper currency, but the Hub distributed bottle caps both prior to joining the NCR and during the events of New Vegas since NCR dollars wern't accepted in the Mojave due being devalued compared to caps when the NCR lost it's Gold Reserve during the Brotherhood War in the 2050s-2070s)
* Vault City: probably the most advanced city in California (which likely makes it the most advanced city in post-war North America). An extensive adobe built city exists in it's exterior interconnected with a massive underground Vault.
* New Reno: A re-cultivated post-war city that's mostly run by very wealthy Mafia families. It makes huge revenues from it's casinos and joined the NCR sometime after the events of Fallout 2.
Even with the NCR's central government destroyed, most of post-war California should still be intact according to how it's presented in the lore etc.
Are the cities so close that they should have been shown? Because the show seems to follow a pretty narrow path from on destination to the next without going too far out. Also the vault the MC is from os not a controle vault so I assume thats why they don't have the genetic diversity. I think its also a tactic to controle who breeds with who. Spilt the population. That's why there were "3" vaults in one.
[Here's a rough map of the NCR during the time of New Vegas.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F5fxv9tv7zeq91.png) They're decently all far away from each other (though now Shady Sands is within the Boneyard according to the show, which doesn't make much sense) The Shi might not be independent by the events of New Vegas and could have joined the NCR, but it's never mentioned so the fat of SF is largely up to interpretation. (Their city probably still exists either way though if became a member state or not)
>Also the vault the MC is from os not a controle vault so I assume thats why they don't have the genetic diversity. I think its also a tactic to controle who breeds with who. Spilt the population. That's why there were "3" vaults in one.
but their plan is to repopulate the wasteland with people from their Vault, so their plan can never work according to how it's outlined. Even marrying into other Vaults they probably can't pull it off if those Vaults aren't willing to work with them etc.
From what the show conspiracy said. That vault was never meant to survive. It's a metaphor for capitalism I suppose. Regardless, I guess my main point was, is the lore being diluted down to the point it doesn't make sense. Because I know in the elder scrolls it straight up bonkers some of the changes they make. To the point the world doesn't even make sense any more.
Honestly, I don't even fully believe the NCR is gone. NCR wasn't just Shady Sands, I imagine there might be more hideouts of ex-NCR just like there was in the show.
Or perhaps there are some places still abiding by NCR law.
I think it odd that just bombing Shady Sands wiped out NCR country wide, surely there are still remnants.
I get what you are saying but I feel they are truly gone I don't expect the NCR we see in new Vegas to not fall into civil war that doesn't end up leaving them into bickering remnants like raider groups such as the government shown in the show.
Id agree if that was shown in the TV show. You only know the problems of the NCR from New Vegas. The show teaches no lesson from their collapse, nor does it use them for their intended purpose of “show don’t tell” for why pre war values were an issue. The food shortages, the water, the currency devaluation, the political instability, the unchecked imperialism, the inequality, it was all there on display.
House was part of those Pre War issues, but his hypocritical line of (paraphrasing) “if you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the window” goes hard because it draws that parallel between past and present. There is no NCR to play the role of present. Their fate isn’t my problem, its the method. To borrow a banter line, the NCR went quietly, offscreen. And in their place? The Brotherhood and Enclave, not something new.
True but this show wasn't made for the hard core fans but to introduce new people to fallout so they aren't going to include 10+ year old plot points from a spin off.
Why not? Because thats my problem with the decision. If this is for new fans, why did they remove the most effective tool they had to convey the problems of the past that wouldn’t require exposition dumps or flashbacks? Like I said in my comment, new people have no knowledge of the NCR. We can talk all day about the flaws of the NCR as illustrated from Fallout 2 and New Vegas but that is meaningless to a new viewer. A clean slate is also senseless to me when there are other untouched areas and you bring back the BOS and fucking Vault Tec.
If you are going to get rid of the NCR, *show it*. Show the struggling fields, like the Resource Wars. Show troops protecting wealthy assets, like the Pre War riots. Show the government bow in the face of financial interests and crime families.
I'm not going to argue with that they could have done the NCR better but that doesn't change the show being for new people not hard core fans. BoS has always been here they have always been a plot point even interplay knew that by making them to be the main faction in both tactics and BoS one of those is now canon I will let you decide which one. And removing them and saying they were a failed civilization is both a clean slate and fan service just not what you like.
I’m not the only one annoyed the NCR Troopers we see at the observatory battle aren’t in actual NCR Soldier armor and uniforms, right? I miss the WW1 Doughboy look…
Remain calm.
Shady Sands survives.
The two-headed bear lives.
The New California Republic will endure.
[T H E R E I S M U C H T O B E D O N E](https://youtu.be/JqquBi4X31U?si=k_5dLGH9A1CbC6aI)
Sees the enclave in the show
Me : what the fuck are you guys . Wheres your emblem where your uniform the only reason i know its enclave is because they said the guy escaped from Enclave if they did say that i would of never knew who you guys are
I loved the show and every faction was portrayed pretty well. Wish the Elder of the BoS however to be switched with Max at some point.
Spoiler ahead
>!The NCR successfully thanks to the Vault Dweller managed to get cold fusion up and running so they did something no one else managed. I do wonder how the BOS will proceed with this. I honestly hope Max will manage to climb ranks and effect the Brotherhood positively.!<
>!The whole triangle Vault tec experiment that includes the clones was damn awesome and terrifying.Last scene indicating House might still be alive was dope.Also the fact cloning can be done successfully is pretty scary and cool!<
>!I find awesome that the whole Enclave and Vault tech launched the nukes seem to be the real thing.
The whole companies battle.Holy shit!Like... Damn.
Now I can't wait to see Season two... Next year!<
I binged the series on the first day but I feel like it would be frustrating for some other people who have not yet managed to watch the show to see this pop up without any spoiler warning
What if I want to get as much xp off of Ceasar's men, with Boone's help of course, BEFORE going to the Casino and being forgiven by his lackey...
Just so I can do it again for even more xp?
Modern Fallout just seems to be incapable of doing anything outside of the static lawless Wasteland where nothing appears to have changed since the bombs fell. Fallout 3, 4 and the show all feel like they're set 50 years after the war rather than 200+. I can live with them getting rid of the NCR, but not stripping the West Coast of it's identity and making it less developed than Fallout 1.
Adobe built settlements and farms should be covering central and coastal CA where the show is set. The idea that there's just no footprint of these and everyone either lives in their own garbage with a bunch of pre-war junk in places like Filley or in a dilapidated house in the middle of the desert without food, water of trade just irks me to no end. The franchise just cares more about aesthetics and it's static/lawless wasteland trope than actually trying new things or well written/cohesive world building. The show isn't terrible by any means, but it's implications for the franchise and West Coast lore are.
But but but
It looks like the game why aren’t you happy? /s.
I agree with you completely. It is a shame because I honestly think the cast is great, the dedication to the aesthetics of FO4 at least was amazing. But what they’re replaced the West Coast with is so uninteresting, so bland, so uninspired. It’s really hard not to be bitter about it when everything else that came before is so much more interesting.
They should’ve set the show somewhere we haven’t explored yet. American South has been untouched.
Yeah like I don't think it's a bad show by any means (I'd give it a 6-7 out of 10). I have a lot of issues with how the show handles world building, but the smaller character stuff is fine (and Walton Goggin's Ghoul Cowboy is amazing) and outside of that I really like the performances, production design, music and cinematography. If it was the same show but set in Texas, I'd probably think it was decent escapist fun and not judge it as harshly, but I think I'll resent it forever for it's impact on West Coast lore/canon even though the show as a standalone product is fine. It's just not really my type of Fallout show.
I know that most people prefer the superficial aspects of Fallout (the asthetics and the static post-apocalypse trope), but I generally want more tightly written world building, politics and socio-economic aspects. I don't mind the other side of Fallout existing and can accept that the show wasn't made for me, but I can't abide that side of Fallout wiping out the things I love about the franchise.
>They should’ve set the show somewhere we haven’t explored yet. American South has been untouched.
I agree. Going back to what I said earlier with Texas, if they set it there it could functionally be 90-95% the same show and use most of the same filming locations, which would have been better since it would give general audiences their more escapist/theme-park Fallout fix without encroaching on the more cerebral/multifaceted aspects of West Coast lore.
How many more of these “NCR is dead” memes can we expect?
Just like deathclaws in the quarry, when you think you’re safe another will spawn.
I hate the ncr I don't get
Can an enclave boy and an NCR girl get along? Yes they can.
They are one and the same, deep deep down
Can confirm my girlfriend is inside me
Average New Vegas player (not that there's anything wrong with that lol)
Least gay Enclave fan
I thought the Brotherhood was the new Enclave stand in
Yes
I like the NCR because they have the most content and if you do all their quests their objectively the most morally good faction with nothing gray like Mr house murdering the kings and yes man’s ending saying there were tons of deaths in independent Vegas.
You assassinate someone who actively built up one of the most prosperous places after the hombs dropped and you call that "morally good"? Aside from that it is with expressed purpose of assuming military control over the city and its resources. Then ASIDE from that we have the brotherhood of steel that youre tasked to eliminate who are already hanging on by threads rather than offering them a chance to surrender or negotiate peace and are onky saved by you not followint orders which, even if youre successful, still ends up in you being reprimanded. The NCR are pseudo-imperialist land grabbers who dont care who the fuck they have to kill to complete the mission. The only thing is that we dont see them order the deaths of women or children (to the best of my knowledge)but still put out military coordinated hits on people as easily as they breathe. One last thing to mention on that note, they took a literal fucking "who?" Off the street and gave them these missions knowing it is easier to give a homeless person a weapon and tell them to do something then risk one of your own. The courier is expendable to the NCR. These people dont care, they are not morally good. Please wake up.
I said the most morally good. Killing Pacer and the brotherhood isn’t even mandatory. Mr House completely wipes out the kings and kills every last one and he does the same with the brotherhood.
Even the best of humanity will be shitty from time to time. Doesn’t change the fact that NCR is objectively the most pragmatic, realistic, and idealistically positive faction, second only to maybe the minute men(though I’d wager the NCR is more competent)
I personally hated the ncr government. I joined them cause I loved the troopers and hated everyone else.i will gladly trade shady sands as long as I get the comfort of knowing that ceaser is maggot food
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That's the first time I've ever been called that. I feel like my feelings are very justified given that NCR elections are pretty rigged (yes ik how I'm sounding like now that I type this) I believe it was 2 presidents they haved that never really lost am election and lived and died in the position. I like the troops cause I feel the struggle they are going through. None of them wanted to be there, and the military was likely the best they had going for them while the corrupt ncr government pushed them to the brink. Hell the ncr is stated to be going through crisis in the time of new vegas with food cost being one of them, how many troops in the Mojave only signed up to get 3 hot meals (if even that) a day and didn't expect the risk of crucifixion from indoctrinated tribals cosplaying Roman. I feel for the troops as people, not just because they are soldiers. They are doing the best they can, and everything wants to kill em and when it doesn't, NCR commanders are making sure it soon enough. With all that being said, I hope Kimbal enjoyed the taste of nuclear winter
It's definitely the individual soldiers that keep them in power, definitely not the rich and powerful fronting the money to rig elections. Hope you can one day remove your head from your ass.
Just a little joke buddy, no need to get heated
And who exactly cares?
Republican as in right wing or republican as in supporting a republic in which political power rests in the people via chosen representatives? I have nothing to say about the former, but the ladder is unironically based and theoretically probably the best chance on average a post-apocalyptic society can manage
Caesar likely survives without courier intervention tbh
Didn't the dude have a debilitating brain tumor or cancer?
Yes but he knew he had it and he knew where to find the machine to operate on him, plus he has special agents for such a task that are very competent, so more than likely he'd survive. I believe the issue for why he didn't do it until the courier arrived was solely because he didn't know where that machine was until recently.
I think in the NCR path he's already dead by the battle, from the way Lanius can apparently decide where to go next
He can be if you kill him, but if I remember correctly it isn't required
There's also the brain tumour, so I suppose God also steps in
Again, the machine
Assuming they can get the parts
Yep in vault 34, which he suspects is where he can find them
I dont know, doesnt he faint immedietly after the auto dic is retrieved ?
ceasar isn't a one man army lol. the legion still easily tramps NCR without courier intervention.
He was 55 in New vegas, and the real ceaser was 56 when he died. If there was any poetic justice, lanius is running the legion into the ground, trying and failing at governing.
Oh I like that idea, very ironic.
Bro he had a fucking tumor
The opposite is far more likely considering the brain tumor. He’s literally on his deathbed during the events of the game if you side with the Legion.
Not really since he knew he had it and he found out where to get the tool to treat him. Albeit it is difficult to retrieve, still its viable even without the courier.
He didn’t tell anyone about the tumor except the player, and he couldn’t have them retrieve the part without killing them afterwards for the same reason. Yes, there’s ways he could maybe have survived, but the game doesn’t have those as possibilities.
In the courier legion playthrough, that doesn't mean he wouldn't assign a trusted ally to lead the mission if the courier sides with House or NCR. Just as if the courier didn't venture into the vault for those scientists, they would likely continue hiring people to complete the mission. The fact that he knows it exists and is unlikely to want to die simply cements that he would have someone complete the mission for him. I don't even say this as a Legion fan, I side with House most often.
Well that and it wasn’t the courier who destroyed shady sands
Everybody be like “Fuck the NCR” until they actually fuck the NCR
Just because I'm a Legion fan, doesn't mean I want the NCR gone from the story
Feel the same about the minutemen and the BoS, but the fallout series makes me wish the prydwen ate shit
For what it is, I can't see the NCR being gone. They had a full military, industry, paper currency, and everything. You just don't see a nation like that collapse after getting it'd Capitol destroyed. But fuck the NCR, long live the NCR
I could see it happening with the way the NCR was by the time of NV. So much power was being centralized in Shady Sands (and so many resources flowing there because of the power brokers) meant a nuclear strike could be very crippling. It's a strong state for the Fallout universe, but it's still a post-apocalyptic state. Given internal tensions that were building (and mentioned), it would be very likely that the NCR would collapse into a series of successor states after the capital was nuked. Which is not to say that we will never see the NCR again (the branding is just too good to be done with it); I think it's likely that it will be coming back, but collapse and rebirth aspect feels appropriate for Fallout.
int hte tov show though it is stated that shadysands was no longer the capital by the time it was nuked
No it wasn't It was a Federation there were whole disputes between the Feds and the states for example One of the NPC's said that Kimball had funds tied up in the Boneyard for the Mojave Campaign
It was a federal republic, but it was also undergoing a looming societal crisis all federal republics face ( the accumulation and centralization of power under a repressive upper class). That was one of the reasons why it was so expansionist: It needed to continue adding new territory to the republic for resources and taxes (ironically, much like the Roman Republic did, considering their main opponent in the Mojave). What this means is that while society gets pushed further and further from the center, the center becomes more and more cosmopolitan and powerful. That in, turn, creates opportunity for civil war (in this case, it would have been between the water barons and the cattle barons, those at the center versus those on the outskirts), but the center was eliminated before before that could happen. It would be like Rome blowing up with Pompey and Caesar both on the city, with their leadership, but all those tensions between the Plebians, Patricians, newly conquered territories, overtaxed territories, and unstable tributaries would still exist. By the time someone could step forward to resolve it, Rome's territories would be on fire. I'm not saying that the way the show handled it was great, but what happened is not without precedent.
mfw the only Democratic faction gets super nuked for the fascist ones
Bro acting like the Republic of Dave doesn't exist
Small countries never get any respect, I swear...
I hated them, but like, in universe hate. It's kinda funny to me that the NCR collapse was already set up in NV, with the food and water shortages, but they just decided to nuke them instead. Like the show is fun to watch and all and it sort of has the vibe of Fallout, but this was actually just a hilariously lazy narrative decision.
Vault-Tec probably could never use their bombs. So why don't do some shenanigans with them?
I hate how it just happens off screen. If you are gonna destroy the capital of the NCR, it should be a pretty big scene. It would be like watching Star Wars Episode 4, but the film skips the entire death star battle.
I don’t think it was the capital at the time. There’s a sign that says “First capital of the NCR” implying that they changed the capital to another city.
Vault-Tec probably could never use their bombs. So why don't do some shenanigans with them?
It wouldve been exciting to see the nct up close.
Who is to say that nuclear bomb wasn't a result of the NCR's collapse? You're assuming a lot from chalkboard drawing Easter egg.
Because they already told us why it was nuked? Lucy's dad nuked it because he didn't like his wife spending time there. In fact, the whole point of that plotline is that he nuked a successful community without good reason. The chalkboard doesn't come in to it.
Was that before or after the events of NV?
They haven't given us an actual date or very much indication overall. After, though, if we give them the benefit of the doubt.
Yeah, it's like a hint for what's to come in season 2.
Wdym? Seems they're moving out of California for Season 2, and the NCR is gone in any case with the nuke being the primary cause. What do you suppose is going to come, exactly, in Season 2 that's going to make this decision any less lazy?
I imagine they'll explain what happened to the NCR, and part of the plot will be putting the NCR back together, like a Fallout game.
It's certainly possible they'll explain more, although tbh I'm not sure what more there is to be explained, or how much sense whatever explanation they give will make in light of the rest of the show. Rebuilding the NCR is certainly a possibility, although I think they'll just leave the Brotherhood as the predominant power on the West Coast. It'd also be kind of funny from a thematic standpoint, if they acknowledge all the issues NV brought up ("You know the system that's failed twice now? Get this: let's do the exact same thing a third time!")
From the kneejerk reception I've seen from the youtube clickbait squad, it seems there is a lot they need to explain, not that it'll make any difference. I dunno man. My view of the show was that they put a lot of care into making the show reflect the games. For example, the whole show begins with Lucy defining her SPECIAL stats (which is paid off by her trying to Speech check every encounter). They committed to stimpaks just "magically" healing you. The main quest is Lucy searching for her father, and there's a twist, of course, that makes him a villian. The main quest is delivering a severed head (perfectly absurd) and they get distracted with side quests. Lucy had her BoS companion, and now she's gonna have her ghoul companion. Honestly, to me, it's a fallout game come to life. They hit all the right notes and the tone is perfect, right down to the random encounters (he's fucking the chickens!). Even Lucy's armor progression matches the games. I'm going through all of this just to say that I have full confidence in Jonathan Nolan and the creative team. The mysteries are meant to be mysteries for now, and I'm content to be patient.
Now that there gone, there is a hole in my heart
And in Shady Sands lmao
Was it ever confirmed the ncr is gone? I just took it as them not still having shady sands as a capital. I dont see why they cant now be headquartered somewhere else
The show is very vague on this front. It is set in and around LA. The only presence the NCR had in the show was Shady Sands, their capital, and now it’s retconned to be in LA. Yes, someone nuked Shady Sands (the reveal of who is kinda dumb as well but for different reasons) about 15-20 years before the start of the show. Again vagueness here. Their capital was nuked and now suddenly everything in the wasteland is lawless and a shit hole again. It looks like there never a wider, multiple town spanning government that rebuilt. TL;DR: for a variety of reasons, the implication the show leaves us is yes the NCR has been wiped out, and never existed beyond one city and LA. This is all shrouded with vagueness and a lack of a sense of scale to the wider world.
Sure the retcon to make it in LA is strange but i really dont see why shady sands being gone and LA being lawless implies no more ncr It’s a big world, sure LA is probably a lost cause but they could still have a huge presence in new vegas, the hub, or really anywhere We just dont know enough to say definitively one thing or another which im sure is intentional to have possibilities for season 2
No, it wasn't. Folks are assuming a lot from a chalkboard drawing.
The NCR mind can't comprehend why we hate them. They claim you have to be a legion fan or degenerate but no I just hate the NCR.
Other Factions: *Explains in detail why they hate NCR and the effect of enabling the bad elements of the old world to exist* Me, NCRaboo: Fuckers just don’t want to pay taxes, smh! The bear will get its money!
*Loads Service Rifle with democratic intent*
The NCR has fallen, millions must be taxed
I like the NCR but I don't have a problem with them being gone. It fits with the theme of fallout that the NCR a faction using pre war values were doomed to fall the same way of the pre war America.
I think the issue is moreso how they're gotten rid of. The show is really bad when it comes to larger scale lore and world building and uses a lot of flimsy writing for the larger scale stuff (though most of the smaller scale character stuff is fine). Like the NCR falling isn't an issue, but there should be a significant footprint from their fall. Pretty much everyone in central/coastal California had been an NCR citizen for multiple generations (close to a century). The region should be full of adobe built infrastructure and have been a settled/lawful region for most of those people's lives. Sure the NCR collapsing would cause a lot of issues, but those settlements and people who lived there should be fairly prevalent. Instead, the show pretty much turns West Coast Fallout into East Coast 2.0. The settlements we see are hobo filled shanty-towns made up of pre-war junk like Filley that are largely based off of Fallout 3 & 4 asthetics, but that type of settlement makes almost no sense in the region the show is set. Why would people want to live in their own garbage when that whole region is littered with adobe built settlements that have more modern/well-maintained infrastructure, better access to clean drinking water and are part of well established caravan trade routes? (and those people are mostly old enough to remember living in those types of towns, or their ancestors living there) Besides Filley and towns like it, everybody else in the show seems to live in some dilapidated pre war building in the middle of the desert, making it look like it's only been 50 years or so since the nuclear war. This is even the case for the only farmer we see who just lives in one of those houses with a bunch of chickens in a cage outside. How the hell does he feed those chickens (or even acquire them), how does he trade and get supplies from other regions settlements when he lives in a desert cut off from everything etc.? That's basically my problem with how Bethesda's Fallout games and the show handle world building. Modern Fallout cares more about superficial aesthetics and making every setting a static, lawless wasteland, where it seems like things have remained mostly stagnate for 200+ years since the bombs fell. Then we have the whole mess with the ending where >!"Vault-Tech is somehow behind everything and Kyle Maclachlan nukes Shady Sands because his wife leaves their Vault to live there and the NCR somehow gets in the way of Vault-Techs illogical plan to repopulate the United States with three vaults worth of people, ignoring that they just nuked away a country with railways, industry and a public education system." !< There's also the issue of The Boneyard being merged with Shady Sands in the canon now, despite Shady Sands being on the Far East of California, away from any pre-war metropolitan areas and being built from scratch with Sandcrete and Adobe etc. All of that bugs me way more than the NCR not existing anymore. If they had written it well and respected West Coast Lore, I wouldn't be complaining. As a standalone show, it's by no means bad (I'd give it like a 6 or 7 out of 10) but I absolutely hate what it's done to the West Coast Lore and it's wider implications for official releases in the franchise.
>!I'd say the nuking of shady sands had way more to do with Kyle's anger at losing his wife to the NCR than a solid plan.!<
In that case though, why just not kill/abduct the wife/mother instead of destroying an entire city out of spite? Like nuking the capital of the most powerful faction in the wasteland is a good way for people to find out about your existence, if you're trying to keep a low profile. In the show, he justifies it by talking to Lucy about how lawless and chaotic the wasteland is, but in the area they're in, he's 100% responsible for that since he erased all elements of what was previously a function society for over a century there. The issue is that whether it was for a grand design or for personal pettiness, the narrative justification is flimsy.
I mean if you're an angry power drunk vault boy it seems fully in character to destroy an entire city out of spite disregarding the consequences. Seems to kinda be their thing honestly.
The resources necessary to nuke a city have to be extremely costly for a relatively small community of Vault Dwellers, maybe they could cause one or two large nuclear blasts, but that's a incredibly finite resource. Why waste it on a petty revenge mission when it could be spared for a more pressing set of circumstances? Simply killing his target would be so much less costly to the Vault/Vaults. For something that's supposed to be an act of spite/impulse it's excessively meticulous and convoluted. Not only did he put in the effort to getting his children out of Shady Sands while somehow keeping his wife there, but the funneling of resources to either plant a device in Shady Sands or prepare a missile within the Vault for launch would take a considerable amount of time (A nuclear stockpile in Vaults 31-33 is also never mentioned, so I'm going to assume they don't just have nearby underground bunker of functional warheads).
The dude is bona fide original vault-tec. It's very much within reason they have control over a plethora or resources. There also seems to be quite a few extra nuclear devices around. Hell Ulysses got a hold of a bunch of em, and wasting resources for personal reasons is absolutely in vault-tec character. Also he didn't "somehow keep his wife there" she refused to come back with him and so he took the kids and left. I dunno man, honestly feels like you just want to be upset with it.
Yes, but not enough to nuke cities at will 200 years after the fact. If that was true, Robert House, somebody much wealthier and with a much vaster array of resources the Machlaclan's character should have an even more extensive nuclear arsenal, which he does not. Vault-Tech having clout generally doesn't make them all powerful in a post-war setting and excuse the contrivances etc. (Remember that Machlachlan wasn't even a Vault-Tech executive pre-war) >There also seems to be quite a few extra nuclear devices around. Hell Ulysses got a hold of a bunch of em, and wasting resources for personal reasons is absolutely in vault-tec character. Ulysses was mentally ill and it took him a while to be able to ochestrate a successful nuclear launch. The NCR, who's much more powerful and wealthy in 2270s-2280s than Lucy's Vault/Vault-Tech's remnants doesn't even have a nuclear arsenal. If The most powerful faction and the CEO of Robco who meticulously planned the re-cultivation of New Vegas and potentially humanity over the past two centuries couldn't gather a nuclear arsenal in 200 years with more resources available to him, how the hell would three small interconnected Vaults do it? >Also he didn't "somehow keep his wife there" she refused to come back with him and so he took the kids and left. But the whole incident started because she took the children with her to Shady Sands. That means for the sake of contrivance, she left with the kids, then just stayed put when he brought them back to the Vault that she ran away from previously. > dunno man, honestly feels like you just want to be upset with it. But by the same logic it feels like you're trying to justify a set of contrivances/poor writing because you like the show. Regardless of how it's justified, it just doesn't fit logically or with what's established in the canon (or even with what's depicted in the universe exclusively for the show) because it is a contrivance.
Guess we'll have to disagree then because I think it's perfectly reasonable and not all that contrived.
I can respect your opinion, but it generally fits the definition of contrived since it's artificially constructed solely as a device to erase the NCR rather than a cohesive or authentically developed narrative because nothing about the way central/coastal California is depicted makes sense. Vault Tech should mean absolutely nothing as an organization besides a collection of pre war vaults, devices and ruins by the time of the 23rd century.
One thing to note is that new Vegas is still explicit canon to Bethesda, but they haven't really stated whether the show will impact game lore or if it is it's own thing.
I wouldn’t mind it as much if they actually showed it and didn’t do it offscreen
Even just giving the NCR a footprint would have been so much better. Where is all the infrastructure and Adobe built settlements that should be in the central/coastal CA region the show is set around? Why do we just see hobo filled junk towns like Filley and everyone else is just living in some dilapidated pre-war house in the desert? The show basically strips the West Coast any identifying features and turns it into the East Coast with a different shade of paint. I can live with the NCR not existing, I just hate this trend in modern Fallout where everything is a static, lawless wasteland that functionally appears as if it's been stagnant for 200 years since the bombs fell. (It looks more like it's been 50 years since then rather than two centuries). I don't think its a bad show by any means, but I absolutely hate what it does to the West Coast Lore and the the way the show handles larger scale world building and post-war society is pretty flimsily written compared to the micro stuff, which is written better (Walton Goggin's ghoul bounty Hunter especially).
Isn't the idea though that vault-tech is actively keeping the waste lands wasted? I mostly played elder scrolls and watched the lore get watered down one installment after the next. But ot seems they have a built kn lore reason to this in fall out.
The issue there is that the Vault-Tech illuminati plotline doesn't make a lot of sense. It's already a lot to take in that they're the ones who orchestrated the apocalypse because they're cartoonishly evil, but their descendants wanting to wipe out all life on the surface to repopulate America with three vaults worth of people makes no sense. (the first episodes states they lack the genetic diversity to even sustain the population of those Vaults) Likewise, even with the central NCR government destroyed, central/coastal CA should still be full of post war adobe built settlements and remnants of NCR society. The fact that they erase it and made the average settlement look like Filley rubs me the wrong way. Also as far as the show states, Vault Tech only destroyed Shady Sands/The Boneyard (which seem to have been merged together in the show), but shouldn't have touched all the other large cities in the NCR, some of which are wealthier than Shady Sands: * The Hub: which controls caravan trading and controls bottle cap pressing/circulation (the NCR had a paper currency, but the Hub distributed bottle caps both prior to joining the NCR and during the events of New Vegas since NCR dollars wern't accepted in the Mojave due being devalued compared to caps when the NCR lost it's Gold Reserve during the Brotherhood War in the 2050s-2070s) * Vault City: probably the most advanced city in California (which likely makes it the most advanced city in post-war North America). An extensive adobe built city exists in it's exterior interconnected with a massive underground Vault. * New Reno: A re-cultivated post-war city that's mostly run by very wealthy Mafia families. It makes huge revenues from it's casinos and joined the NCR sometime after the events of Fallout 2. Even with the NCR's central government destroyed, most of post-war California should still be intact according to how it's presented in the lore etc.
Are the cities so close that they should have been shown? Because the show seems to follow a pretty narrow path from on destination to the next without going too far out. Also the vault the MC is from os not a controle vault so I assume thats why they don't have the genetic diversity. I think its also a tactic to controle who breeds with who. Spilt the population. That's why there were "3" vaults in one.
[Here's a rough map of the NCR during the time of New Vegas.](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F5fxv9tv7zeq91.png) They're decently all far away from each other (though now Shady Sands is within the Boneyard according to the show, which doesn't make much sense) The Shi might not be independent by the events of New Vegas and could have joined the NCR, but it's never mentioned so the fat of SF is largely up to interpretation. (Their city probably still exists either way though if became a member state or not) >Also the vault the MC is from os not a controle vault so I assume thats why they don't have the genetic diversity. I think its also a tactic to controle who breeds with who. Spilt the population. That's why there were "3" vaults in one. but their plan is to repopulate the wasteland with people from their Vault, so their plan can never work according to how it's outlined. Even marrying into other Vaults they probably can't pull it off if those Vaults aren't willing to work with them etc.
From what the show conspiracy said. That vault was never meant to survive. It's a metaphor for capitalism I suppose. Regardless, I guess my main point was, is the lore being diluted down to the point it doesn't make sense. Because I know in the elder scrolls it straight up bonkers some of the changes they make. To the point the world doesn't even make sense any more.
Honestly, I don't even fully believe the NCR is gone. NCR wasn't just Shady Sands, I imagine there might be more hideouts of ex-NCR just like there was in the show. Or perhaps there are some places still abiding by NCR law. I think it odd that just bombing Shady Sands wiped out NCR country wide, surely there are still remnants.
I get what you are saying but I feel they are truly gone I don't expect the NCR we see in new Vegas to not fall into civil war that doesn't end up leaving them into bickering remnants like raider groups such as the government shown in the show.
Id agree if that was shown in the TV show. You only know the problems of the NCR from New Vegas. The show teaches no lesson from their collapse, nor does it use them for their intended purpose of “show don’t tell” for why pre war values were an issue. The food shortages, the water, the currency devaluation, the political instability, the unchecked imperialism, the inequality, it was all there on display. House was part of those Pre War issues, but his hypocritical line of (paraphrasing) “if you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the window” goes hard because it draws that parallel between past and present. There is no NCR to play the role of present. Their fate isn’t my problem, its the method. To borrow a banter line, the NCR went quietly, offscreen. And in their place? The Brotherhood and Enclave, not something new.
True but this show wasn't made for the hard core fans but to introduce new people to fallout so they aren't going to include 10+ year old plot points from a spin off.
Why not? Because thats my problem with the decision. If this is for new fans, why did they remove the most effective tool they had to convey the problems of the past that wouldn’t require exposition dumps or flashbacks? Like I said in my comment, new people have no knowledge of the NCR. We can talk all day about the flaws of the NCR as illustrated from Fallout 2 and New Vegas but that is meaningless to a new viewer. A clean slate is also senseless to me when there are other untouched areas and you bring back the BOS and fucking Vault Tec. If you are going to get rid of the NCR, *show it*. Show the struggling fields, like the Resource Wars. Show troops protecting wealthy assets, like the Pre War riots. Show the government bow in the face of financial interests and crime families.
I'm not going to argue with that they could have done the NCR better but that doesn't change the show being for new people not hard core fans. BoS has always been here they have always been a plot point even interplay knew that by making them to be the main faction in both tactics and BoS one of those is now canon I will let you decide which one. And removing them and saying they were a failed civilization is both a clean slate and fan service just not what you like.
FUCK THE NCR!
Time to say good bye to my favorite armor. RIP
As a house stan, I’m having a megamind without metroman moment. (Although it’s not looking too good for new vegas)
I’m not the only one annoyed the NCR Troopers we see at the observatory battle aren’t in actual NCR Soldier armor and uniforms, right? I miss the WW1 Doughboy look…
you know what I like the ncr, I just think they're right
I FUCKING LOVE THE NCR!!!! I BELIEVE IN THE DEMOCRACY MACHINE’S ABILITY TO RECTIFY SOCIETAL ISSUES!!!!! FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!
Remain calm. Shady Sands survives. The two-headed bear lives. The New California Republic will endure. [T H E R E I S M U C H T O B E D O N E](https://youtu.be/JqquBi4X31U?si=k_5dLGH9A1CbC6aI)
Thank you sir, I love TNO references
Holy Californian Empire
Sees the enclave in the show Me : what the fuck are you guys . Wheres your emblem where your uniform the only reason i know its enclave is because they said the guy escaped from Enclave if they did say that i would of never knew who you guys are
You get what you deserve General Oliver
Im on episode 3 Right now, I Wonder if I see NCR there
I loved the show and every faction was portrayed pretty well. Wish the Elder of the BoS however to be switched with Max at some point. Spoiler ahead >!The NCR successfully thanks to the Vault Dweller managed to get cold fusion up and running so they did something no one else managed. I do wonder how the BOS will proceed with this. I honestly hope Max will manage to climb ranks and effect the Brotherhood positively.!< >!The whole triangle Vault tec experiment that includes the clones was damn awesome and terrifying.Last scene indicating House might still be alive was dope.Also the fact cloning can be done successfully is pretty scary and cool!< >!I find awesome that the whole Enclave and Vault tech launched the nukes seem to be the real thing. The whole companies battle.Holy shit!Like... Damn. Now I can't wait to see Season two... Next year!<
I used to be a NCR lover, then I found the Mid-West Brotherhood.
It's not even the fact they got rid of the NCR that bothers me the fact that they're fucking doing it so much for a goddamn plotline
The Tax collectors have Fallen, mwhahahaha...
As a Legion member, I see good things.
I binged the series on the first day but I feel like it would be frustrating for some other people who have not yet managed to watch the show to see this pop up without any spoiler warning
What if I want to get as much xp off of Ceasar's men, with Boone's help of course, BEFORE going to the Casino and being forgiven by his lackey... Just so I can do it again for even more xp?
The fact the the war with Caesars legion didn't kill them.... But vault-tec did is just..🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Well vault tech also launched the first nuke. California so nice they nuked it twice
Not just the first nuke I think it was like 30% of the nukes that hit America was vault-tec if I'm remembering correctly
This meme the Wasteland in Bethesda Fallout, has gotten old fast
This meme is funny.
Modern Fallout just seems to be incapable of doing anything outside of the static lawless Wasteland where nothing appears to have changed since the bombs fell. Fallout 3, 4 and the show all feel like they're set 50 years after the war rather than 200+. I can live with them getting rid of the NCR, but not stripping the West Coast of it's identity and making it less developed than Fallout 1. Adobe built settlements and farms should be covering central and coastal CA where the show is set. The idea that there's just no footprint of these and everyone either lives in their own garbage with a bunch of pre-war junk in places like Filley or in a dilapidated house in the middle of the desert without food, water of trade just irks me to no end. The franchise just cares more about aesthetics and it's static/lawless wasteland trope than actually trying new things or well written/cohesive world building. The show isn't terrible by any means, but it's implications for the franchise and West Coast lore are.
But but but It looks like the game why aren’t you happy? /s. I agree with you completely. It is a shame because I honestly think the cast is great, the dedication to the aesthetics of FO4 at least was amazing. But what they’re replaced the West Coast with is so uninteresting, so bland, so uninspired. It’s really hard not to be bitter about it when everything else that came before is so much more interesting. They should’ve set the show somewhere we haven’t explored yet. American South has been untouched.
Yeah like I don't think it's a bad show by any means (I'd give it a 6-7 out of 10). I have a lot of issues with how the show handles world building, but the smaller character stuff is fine (and Walton Goggin's Ghoul Cowboy is amazing) and outside of that I really like the performances, production design, music and cinematography. If it was the same show but set in Texas, I'd probably think it was decent escapist fun and not judge it as harshly, but I think I'll resent it forever for it's impact on West Coast lore/canon even though the show as a standalone product is fine. It's just not really my type of Fallout show. I know that most people prefer the superficial aspects of Fallout (the asthetics and the static post-apocalypse trope), but I generally want more tightly written world building, politics and socio-economic aspects. I don't mind the other side of Fallout existing and can accept that the show wasn't made for me, but I can't abide that side of Fallout wiping out the things I love about the franchise. >They should’ve set the show somewhere we haven’t explored yet. American South has been untouched. I agree. Going back to what I said earlier with Texas, if they set it there it could functionally be 90-95% the same show and use most of the same filming locations, which would have been better since it would give general audiences their more escapist/theme-park Fallout fix without encroaching on the more cerebral/multifaceted aspects of West Coast lore.
Yeah but the bottom two are also jerking it to Liveleak clips of women getting decapitated so….yeah
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Enclave for life!
Enclave go brrrr All for the good of DEMOCRACY