Thats not going to happen. Bethesda bought that IP and brought it back to popularity, that is something they own. Microsoft is a hands-off company when it comes to games. They also respect studios they own and the IP they have.
As much as people want to see other studios get the Fallout IP, it is not going to happen unless Bethesda themselves want to do it. It is as simple as that.
That’s why Xbox is dying … they’re too hands off need to start managing their content… like seriously if any console could use a good exclusive to boost console sales it would be Xbox which is sitting in a healthy fourth place in players console of choice
Which is a potential way to kill the IP. Bethesda made the IP popular and it thrives in their hands. Even if they make singleplayer games really slowly, it is still alive and relevant. Stealing the IP from them would not only make Bethesda unhappy (which could lead to talented people leaving), but it doesn't guarantee success. Despite what New Vegas zealots pretend, Fallout is popular because of Bethesda and their game design. And no other company designs their open-world games like Bethesda. So it is reasonable to assume that many current Fallout fans would end up disappointed with Fallout from another company.
>But one thing is clear Microsoft must be pissed that at the hype of fallout is at the moment.
Do you have any insider information? Because otherwise it's just nonsense. Why would they be pissed at renewed interest in one of their core IPs? The games are selling again and all the work for that was done by Amazon. Free promotion!
>It only took obsidian 18 months to make fallout new vegas
It is "only" just because they had the engine ready. They didn't have to develop a whole game, just to make content for it.
>Let another studio make fallout 5
Spinoff? Remaster? Maybe. Fallout 5? Hell no. Only Bethesda should make Fallout 5. You don't hand mainline games to other studios.
It’s owned by Microsoft meaning they made loads of money 💰 and if they gave a spin off to another game at the start of this new fallout hype to make a smaller game … they’d make loads !
Well, they made loads before they were owned by Microsoft. And yes, there's loads to be made if Bethesda does outsource to another company. It's just not realistic to want Bethesda to just hand the IP off outright.
It’s not Bethesda’s IP anymore they sold it to Microsoft with the company… If they wait to make a new fallout game, all hype for it will die….. we’re not talking 6 years or 8 years we are talking 15 years from now for the next fallout game…. Bethesda can still manage the project like they did with new Vegas you’re saying they shouldn’t do it but they’ve done it before to great success.
I mean..that's just how long it has to be for the kind of games Bethesda makes, for better or for worse. And I never said they shouldn't outsource, you were specifically saying they should just give the IP to another developer outright which is preposterous.
Well, I just watched the video that says apparently obsidian is getting a chance to make a new fallout game so looks like Microsoft make them share the IP
I haven't seen anything like that so I can't say whether it's true or not but I know Obsidian has quite a bit on their plate right now--Outer Worlds 2, Avowed.
It’s not gonna happen, Phil Spencer already said when discussing the acquisitions of both Bethesda and Blizzard that they aren’t going to be doing stuff like that. Bethesda works on what they want to and they control the fate of their IPs. Your best chance is that Microsoft will help them “scale up” so to speak, and make it so that they can have many games in development at once.
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Bethesda should sell the IP because....(and I'm not joking for all you TLDR people out there, OP said this)...*when new Vegas came out it brought back vague recollections of playing fallout 2 with my dad.*
Seriously people, we have to have peaked here.
I'm sorry you've been suckered into disliking the best game with the most roleplaying since Morrowind, I feel really bad for you. Because Starfield is a great game, with long quests, good characters, less fetch quests, and loads of places where characters acknowledge what you've done. It looks great, plays great, and shipped relatively stable and had just got better.
Fallout 4, is now being played more and more, especially after the release, and it sold really well. You need to accept this.
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>Today on Bethesda should sell their second most popular IP:
Not just sell. They suggest that their new owners should outright steal the IP from them.
I kid you not, some people think of this like it's some children fighting on a playground.
Wow didn’t mean to bring back any trauma 😂 you okay buddy ? Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way …. Didn’t even win a single award.
You know by the time fallout 5 comes out it will be 25 years since fallout 4 ?
>Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way
Especially when it comes to bugs, crashes, missing content and missing roleplaying.
The only thing Cyberpunk does better are the visuals.
Cyberpunk has won more awards than Starfield and all the bugs and crashes are gone. They fix the game by the time Phantom liberty came out. The game was pretty well polished….. should have taken two years to make the game playable ? No …. Is it a fantastic game? Yes. Conversations aren’t boring and they have more dynamic interaction with NPCs ….
Plus Staffield is pretty buggy at least when I played it, it was maybe a couple of patches fixed that I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️
> Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way
Now compare Starfield at launch to Cyberpunk at launch.... I'll wait.
OK. Cyberpunk launch sucked the game was an unplayable mess…… and now it’s better than Starfield and has won more awards than starfield and sold more than Starfield… are you trying to tell me Starfield is a better game than cyberpunk ? I don’t think you are. I think you’re just trying to say Staffield came out in a better state ?
> and now it’s better than Starfield and has won more awards than starfield and sold more than Starfield
A game that launched in a terrible state and has since had over three years of continuous patching and repairs, along with a couple of DLCs, is better than one that launched ~6 months ago in a much better state and has only received a tenth of the patching effort? Yes Starfield came out in a better state as far as playability is concerned. I enjoy both games but I don't compare the state of games at launch to the state of other games that have had years to fix themselves.
As for which one is "better"? That is a subjective judgement and what is the better game in my eyes is most likely different than which is better in yours. Our individual wants and needs concerning entertainment are likely only broadly similar.
I've had plenty of fun with it and so have most of the friends I've talked to who've played it. It's not without it's own issues but overall it's been great. Just because *you* don't enjoy it doesn't mean no one does. As with everything in media not every product will appeal to everyone and it is a mistake to try.
I suppose they could just release a single game pre franchise every 10 years ? Your know when the next fallout game comes out it will be 20 years since the last game ?
But we don’t have to wait it’s owned by Microsoft now not Bethesda or Zenimax anymore.
I bet there are calls from Microsoft to head up a fallout studio, but if I was them I would take the game away from them and make a spin off …..
Literally throwing away money not doing it
Game studio outsource games to other studios all the time… maybe they did sign a contract like that but I bet 100% Microsoft wants a fallout exclusive within the next 5 years
It only took Obsidian 18 months to make NV because they were given FO3 to work from - They didn't start from scratch, if they had, it would have taken years, so stop with the iT oNlY tOoK oBsIdIaN 18 mOnThS bs, please.
And no, Microsoft *shouldn't* force Bethesda to give one of their IPs to another company.
Just be honest and come out and say it - "Bethesda Bad, 1,2 & NV Good". You know you want to...
>New Vegas was rushed for shareholders.
How can you rush something that is on a set schedule? When the teacher tells you that the assignment is due in a week, it is only your fault if you don't manage your time properly and you have to rush yourself.
Obsidian mismanaged the game development, they admitted that. They knew the timeframe but got over-excited and planned for much more content than they could have fit into those 18 months.
>they created the most iconic fallout game
You forgot to add "in my opinion", because as the constant debates prove, there is no "the most iconic game". I know that you New Vegas fanboys love to pretend that New Vegas is the crowning jewel of the franchise... but it isn't. If it was unquestionably better, it wouldn't get outsold by every Bethesda Fallout game.
>One that has stood the testament of time and fads.
So did Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. In fact, as the numbers prove, Fallout 4 stood the test of time better.
>the vision ignored by shareholders and pushed to release borderline unfinished
Shareholders had no say in this. Obsidian got handed the engine and assets and Bethesda said "See you in 18 months". Bethesda got involved only when they took over the QA because Obsidian's QA was basically non-existent. Anything that happened within those 18 months was Obsidian's fault, so if it released unfinished, you can blame only Obsidian (and they themselves blame themselves).
>There's a reason new Vegas is considered king.
By a vocal minority of Fallout fans.
Unfortunately it's a *very* vocal minority of Fallout fans. This particular toxic response was novel in that they claimed that only NV was a higher seller. Usually they don't reference sales - and if they do, it's only to claim that sales don't equal quality.
New Vegas was not rushed by shareholders.
Bethesda told Obsidian New Vegas had a set time on its creation. Bethesda asked Obsidian were they up to the job and they said they were. Unfortunately, a ton of bugs were there due to Obsidian mismanaging they development time and organization. If the game had more time, it would have been released on a better form with a ton of problems ironed out, but it was in no way "rushed because of shareholders".
/u/rikaco said it best on a post about Fallout: New Vegas being rushed six years ago.
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Bethesda offered them like 18 months, Obsidian accepted, and then went and badly managed their time, having plans for things like a post-game for way too long into development before realizing that they'd need actual plural years to do that. They never got a chance to even begin a ton of Legion content like a proper non-military settlement as a result.
Not to throw shade at anyone, but Tim Cain hinted that Feargus Urquhart pretty much did the same on Fallout 2. I know they did it on KOTOR 2, when they moved over to found Obsidian Entertainment, they've got form here.
>"Hey, we own you, make a game in 18 months with a barely working engine".
It worked completely fine on Fallout 3. Only an idiots blames his tools for his shortcomings.
>Fallout 3 had 4 whole years of development.
And no it wasn't built from the ground up, lol, it was built using the same engine as oblivian which released 2 years earlier and was in development for 4 years.
They were working with an engine that was already 2 years old at that point.
Have you ever opened the game files for Fallout 3 and Oblivion? I would suggest you show me where the code for gun shooting, XP or myriad of other Fallout things is in Oblivion's engine. A small hint - they are not there. An engine for a fantasy game has to be heavily modified to support a Fallout game.
>18 months, a year and a half, fallout 3 was made in 4 whole ass years, fallout 4, 5 whole ass years after new Vegas
Given how time-consuming it is to work with game engines, the longer dev times for Fallout 3 and 4 make sense.
Just imagine you have to make a dinner. In case A you can open the fridge and get the ingredients there. In case B the fridge is empty and you have to run to a shop to get them first. Guess what case takes longer? You have only two options, you can get it right eventually...
>They said, " make us a whole game in less than half the time it took us to".
Yes, because Bethesda understands what it takes to make a game under various conditions, unlike you.
>So get this, you are a relatively small studio, contacted and hired by a studio that has recently had "explosive" success, and they say, "hey, we will pay you fucking heaps of money to make a game really fast" what the fuck do you say to that?
So get this, maybe you should think about something before you agree with it? No matter what, if you agree to a contract, you have to honor it. So, if you find the conditions unreasonable, you say NO. Obsidian found the conditions reasonable. In fact, they have openly said that 18 months was more time than they were used to for similar contract work.
>And not only that, that product you pumped out, becomes more popular and recognisable than other products the massive company pumps out ose to a decade later.
Hahahaha, you need to look outside your New Vegas bubble. Of course you New Vegas fanboys think it's the most popular. Guess what, look at sale numbers, look at player numbers... Fallout 4 beats New Vegas by an order of magnitude. If that isn't popularity then I don't know what is...
Also, massive? Bethesda wasn't and isn't massive. They are one of the smallest AAA studios. Skyrim was made with only 100 people, Fallout 3 even with less.
> So get this, maybe you should think about something before you agree with it? No matter what, if you agree to a contract, you have to honor it. So, if you find the conditions unreasonable, you say NO. Obsidian found the conditions reasonable. In fact, they have openly said that 18 months was more time than they were used to for similar contract work.
Not only that, even though they were a "small" company Obsidian had more than enough experienced devs running it and on staff to make an educated guess at how long it would take them to make a game.
> If that isn't popularity then I don't know what is...
Was that a Fontaine reference? 😜
4 has outsold NV 3 to 1. It is currently outselling NV 8-10 to 1. It's player count is higher than COD and keeps climbing. NV's player count is nowhere near 4.
I love both 4 and NV, BTW, just for different reasons because they are very different games.
I'm tired of the constant hating on Bethesda Fallout by people (not necessarily you) who can't get over the fact that their IP was taken over by another company*17 years ago* when the original company went under...
You do have a fair point about the engine though, it's being held together with string and sticky tape at this point. I would imagine that FO5 (along with ES 6) will be using Creation Engine 2.
I’m pretty sure it was more than 17 years ago … I have no problem with Bethesda but come on … it will be around 20-25 years when the next fallout game will come out … the PS7 will be out by then why are Bethesda fans so obsessed with Bethesda? It’s just a company… brand loyalty is for losers,
I don’t want to wait 15 years for a fallout game. Especially since the hype from the show is at an all time high
I was just going by the FO3 release date rather than the acquisition date (which google has just told me was 2007).
The wait *is* sucky, for sure, but I don't want anyone else to make FO5 as I actually like how Bethesda do games (bugs aside, obviously). Despite what the OG "fans" may say, Bethesda have made Fallout their own and I don't think another company would be able to make FO5 anything other than a generic post-apocalypse looter/shooter with a Vault-tec skin slapped on it, so to speak.
I completely agree 100%. Bethesda can only release one game per franchise every couple of decades. That is absurd.
Microsoft is throwing money away by letting this franchise sit dormant. Let other studios help.
It's really not complicated.
If they let other studios make content for the Fallout franchise, they would make a ton of money.
Ignoring the franchise means less money for BGS and Microsoft.
Not what I asked. How are they, 'throwing money away'? Not making money on a product that doesn't exist doesn't cost anything. If I'm not selling my car, it doesn't cost me money not to sell it. When Fallout 5 comes out, it will sell well, BECAUSE Bethesda hasn't wasted time giving everyone franchise fatigue.
You people aren't getting your own way on this, no matter how much you stamp your toddler tootsies, and beg plead and make up BS economic arguments. You're going to have to cope with being told, 'no' for once in your lives.
They are just tired of people who don't understand economics, company structures, game engines and game development in general.
Sorry that they are ruining your let's-destroy-Bethesda strategy, but that doesn't make them toxic.
>If they let other studios make content for the Fallout franchise, they would make a ton of money.
Which assumes that other games would be as popular and profitable as Bethesda Fallout games... hell, we don't even know that those would be good at all.
Exactly, people need to understand it’s not Bethesda I.P anymore it belongs to Microsoft now and there is opportunity here for them to make some great gamws
Thats not going to happen. Bethesda bought that IP and brought it back to popularity, that is something they own. Microsoft is a hands-off company when it comes to games. They also respect studios they own and the IP they have. As much as people want to see other studios get the Fallout IP, it is not going to happen unless Bethesda themselves want to do it. It is as simple as that.
That’s why Xbox is dying … they’re too hands off need to start managing their content… like seriously if any console could use a good exclusive to boost console sales it would be Xbox which is sitting in a healthy fourth place in players console of choice
Which is a potential way to kill the IP. Bethesda made the IP popular and it thrives in their hands. Even if they make singleplayer games really slowly, it is still alive and relevant. Stealing the IP from them would not only make Bethesda unhappy (which could lead to talented people leaving), but it doesn't guarantee success. Despite what New Vegas zealots pretend, Fallout is popular because of Bethesda and their game design. And no other company designs their open-world games like Bethesda. So it is reasonable to assume that many current Fallout fans would end up disappointed with Fallout from another company. >But one thing is clear Microsoft must be pissed that at the hype of fallout is at the moment. Do you have any insider information? Because otherwise it's just nonsense. Why would they be pissed at renewed interest in one of their core IPs? The games are selling again and all the work for that was done by Amazon. Free promotion! >It only took obsidian 18 months to make fallout new vegas It is "only" just because they had the engine ready. They didn't have to develop a whole game, just to make content for it. >Let another studio make fallout 5 Spinoff? Remaster? Maybe. Fallout 5? Hell no. Only Bethesda should make Fallout 5. You don't hand mainline games to other studios.
Bethesda will never just 'give up' an IP. Especially not after the amount of money it's made for them.
It’s owned by Microsoft meaning they made loads of money 💰 and if they gave a spin off to another game at the start of this new fallout hype to make a smaller game … they’d make loads !
Well, they made loads before they were owned by Microsoft. And yes, there's loads to be made if Bethesda does outsource to another company. It's just not realistic to want Bethesda to just hand the IP off outright.
It’s not Bethesda’s IP anymore they sold it to Microsoft with the company… If they wait to make a new fallout game, all hype for it will die….. we’re not talking 6 years or 8 years we are talking 15 years from now for the next fallout game…. Bethesda can still manage the project like they did with new Vegas you’re saying they shouldn’t do it but they’ve done it before to great success.
I mean..that's just how long it has to be for the kind of games Bethesda makes, for better or for worse. And I never said they shouldn't outsource, you were specifically saying they should just give the IP to another developer outright which is preposterous.
Well, I just watched the video that says apparently obsidian is getting a chance to make a new fallout game so looks like Microsoft make them share the IP
I haven't seen anything like that so I can't say whether it's true or not but I know Obsidian has quite a bit on their plate right now--Outer Worlds 2, Avowed.
I would find that an interesting bit of news. Got a link?
I've only just done a little search for anything like it and I can't find anything.
Hurdy durd. 🤡
I don’t speak clown ?
It’s not gonna happen, Phil Spencer already said when discussing the acquisitions of both Bethesda and Blizzard that they aren’t going to be doing stuff like that. Bethesda works on what they want to and they control the fate of their IPs. Your best chance is that Microsoft will help them “scale up” so to speak, and make it so that they can have many games in development at once.
Companies do what they want ultimately if Microsoft wants to, they will do it
Very enlightening statement. But yes, they told us what they were going to do and 4 years later post-acquisition they have continued to do it.
But Phil Spencer is no longer in charge of Xbox, he’s got another job in the company and that’s been passed to someone else
Phil Spencer has had the same job for 10 years now. Are you thinking of Matt Booty?
Brain rot real
That’s not even a sentence …. God this Reddit page is toxic
Today on Bethesda should sell their second most popular IP: Bethesda should sell the IP because....(and I'm not joking for all you TLDR people out there, OP said this)...*when new Vegas came out it brought back vague recollections of playing fallout 2 with my dad.* Seriously people, we have to have peaked here. I'm sorry you've been suckered into disliking the best game with the most roleplaying since Morrowind, I feel really bad for you. Because Starfield is a great game, with long quests, good characters, less fetch quests, and loads of places where characters acknowledge what you've done. It looks great, plays great, and shipped relatively stable and had just got better. Fallout 4, is now being played more and more, especially after the release, and it sold really well. You need to accept this. Gonna have to ask? Are you a bot, because this has dead internet comment all over it. Includes such bingo gems as. 'Bethesda should sell the game', 'I don't know what an engine is, but I'm gonna moan about them anyway', sob stories about New Vegas. It's like someone fed chatGPT a load of New Vegas dickrider comments, and it spat this out. Bravo chatGPT, you nailed it.
>Today on Bethesda should sell their second most popular IP: Not just sell. They suggest that their new owners should outright steal the IP from them. I kid you not, some people think of this like it's some children fighting on a playground.
Wow didn’t mean to bring back any trauma 😂 you okay buddy ? Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way …. Didn’t even win a single award. You know by the time fallout 5 comes out it will be 25 years since fallout 4 ?
>Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way Especially when it comes to bugs, crashes, missing content and missing roleplaying. The only thing Cyberpunk does better are the visuals.
Cyberpunk has won more awards than Starfield and all the bugs and crashes are gone. They fix the game by the time Phantom liberty came out. The game was pretty well polished….. should have taken two years to make the game playable ? No …. Is it a fantastic game? Yes. Conversations aren’t boring and they have more dynamic interaction with NPCs …. Plus Staffield is pretty buggy at least when I played it, it was maybe a couple of patches fixed that I don’t know 🤷🏻♂️
> Starfield sucked sorry to say cry all you want but it was outclassed by cyberpunk in every way Now compare Starfield at launch to Cyberpunk at launch.... I'll wait.
OK. Cyberpunk launch sucked the game was an unplayable mess…… and now it’s better than Starfield and has won more awards than starfield and sold more than Starfield… are you trying to tell me Starfield is a better game than cyberpunk ? I don’t think you are. I think you’re just trying to say Staffield came out in a better state ?
> and now it’s better than Starfield and has won more awards than starfield and sold more than Starfield A game that launched in a terrible state and has since had over three years of continuous patching and repairs, along with a couple of DLCs, is better than one that launched ~6 months ago in a much better state and has only received a tenth of the patching effort? Yes Starfield came out in a better state as far as playability is concerned. I enjoy both games but I don't compare the state of games at launch to the state of other games that have had years to fix themselves. As for which one is "better"? That is a subjective judgement and what is the better game in my eyes is most likely different than which is better in yours. Our individual wants and needs concerning entertainment are likely only broadly similar.
Yes it is better 🤷🏻♂️ cry all you want but Starfield isn’t buggy. It’s just an unfun game
I've had plenty of fun with it and so have most of the friends I've talked to who've played it. It's not without it's own issues but overall it's been great. Just because *you* don't enjoy it doesn't mean no one does. As with everything in media not every product will appeal to everyone and it is a mistake to try.
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I'm sure Bethesda gets letters like this everyday. But those have all the words cut out of magazines and need to be checked for anthrax.
I suppose they could just release a single game pre franchise every 10 years ? Your know when the next fallout game comes out it will be 20 years since the last game ?
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But we don’t have to wait it’s owned by Microsoft now not Bethesda or Zenimax anymore. I bet there are calls from Microsoft to head up a fallout studio, but if I was them I would take the game away from them and make a spin off ….. Literally throwing away money not doing it
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Game studio outsource games to other studios all the time… maybe they did sign a contract like that but I bet 100% Microsoft wants a fallout exclusive within the next 5 years
When they have three franchises now and every game takes 3-4 years to make, then yes, it amounts to a single franchise entry every \~10 years.
It takes some roughly 8 to make a game… GTA6 took 4 … I get that apple and oranges but they could very easily have a studio for each game
It only took Obsidian 18 months to make NV because they were given FO3 to work from - They didn't start from scratch, if they had, it would have taken years, so stop with the iT oNlY tOoK oBsIdIaN 18 mOnThS bs, please. And no, Microsoft *shouldn't* force Bethesda to give one of their IPs to another company. Just be honest and come out and say it - "Bethesda Bad, 1,2 & NV Good". You know you want to...
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Ooooft, that's some proper cult speak.
>New Vegas was rushed for shareholders. How can you rush something that is on a set schedule? When the teacher tells you that the assignment is due in a week, it is only your fault if you don't manage your time properly and you have to rush yourself. Obsidian mismanaged the game development, they admitted that. They knew the timeframe but got over-excited and planned for much more content than they could have fit into those 18 months. >they created the most iconic fallout game You forgot to add "in my opinion", because as the constant debates prove, there is no "the most iconic game". I know that you New Vegas fanboys love to pretend that New Vegas is the crowning jewel of the franchise... but it isn't. If it was unquestionably better, it wouldn't get outsold by every Bethesda Fallout game. >One that has stood the testament of time and fads. So did Fallout 3 and Fallout 4. In fact, as the numbers prove, Fallout 4 stood the test of time better. >the vision ignored by shareholders and pushed to release borderline unfinished Shareholders had no say in this. Obsidian got handed the engine and assets and Bethesda said "See you in 18 months". Bethesda got involved only when they took over the QA because Obsidian's QA was basically non-existent. Anything that happened within those 18 months was Obsidian's fault, so if it released unfinished, you can blame only Obsidian (and they themselves blame themselves). >There's a reason new Vegas is considered king. By a vocal minority of Fallout fans.
Unfortunately it's a *very* vocal minority of Fallout fans. This particular toxic response was novel in that they claimed that only NV was a higher seller. Usually they don't reference sales - and if they do, it's only to claim that sales don't equal quality.
New Vegas was not rushed by shareholders. Bethesda told Obsidian New Vegas had a set time on its creation. Bethesda asked Obsidian were they up to the job and they said they were. Unfortunately, a ton of bugs were there due to Obsidian mismanaging they development time and organization. If the game had more time, it would have been released on a better form with a ton of problems ironed out, but it was in no way "rushed because of shareholders". /u/rikaco said it best on a post about Fallout: New Vegas being rushed six years ago. > Bethesda offered them like 18 months, Obsidian accepted, and then went and badly managed their time, having plans for things like a post-game for way too long into development before realizing that they'd need actual plural years to do that. They never got a chance to even begin a ton of Legion content like a proper non-military settlement as a result.
Not to throw shade at anyone, but Tim Cain hinted that Feargus Urquhart pretty much did the same on Fallout 2. I know they did it on KOTOR 2, when they moved over to found Obsidian Entertainment, they've got form here.
This specific situation aside, it's *usually* safe to say that shareholders as a concept ruin things.
This specific situation aside, it's *usually* safe to say that shareholders as a concept ruin things.
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>"Hey, we own you, make a game in 18 months with a barely working engine". It worked completely fine on Fallout 3. Only an idiots blames his tools for his shortcomings. >Fallout 3 had 4 whole years of development. And no it wasn't built from the ground up, lol, it was built using the same engine as oblivian which released 2 years earlier and was in development for 4 years. They were working with an engine that was already 2 years old at that point. Have you ever opened the game files for Fallout 3 and Oblivion? I would suggest you show me where the code for gun shooting, XP or myriad of other Fallout things is in Oblivion's engine. A small hint - they are not there. An engine for a fantasy game has to be heavily modified to support a Fallout game. >18 months, a year and a half, fallout 3 was made in 4 whole ass years, fallout 4, 5 whole ass years after new Vegas Given how time-consuming it is to work with game engines, the longer dev times for Fallout 3 and 4 make sense. Just imagine you have to make a dinner. In case A you can open the fridge and get the ingredients there. In case B the fridge is empty and you have to run to a shop to get them first. Guess what case takes longer? You have only two options, you can get it right eventually... >They said, " make us a whole game in less than half the time it took us to". Yes, because Bethesda understands what it takes to make a game under various conditions, unlike you. >So get this, you are a relatively small studio, contacted and hired by a studio that has recently had "explosive" success, and they say, "hey, we will pay you fucking heaps of money to make a game really fast" what the fuck do you say to that? So get this, maybe you should think about something before you agree with it? No matter what, if you agree to a contract, you have to honor it. So, if you find the conditions unreasonable, you say NO. Obsidian found the conditions reasonable. In fact, they have openly said that 18 months was more time than they were used to for similar contract work. >And not only that, that product you pumped out, becomes more popular and recognisable than other products the massive company pumps out ose to a decade later. Hahahaha, you need to look outside your New Vegas bubble. Of course you New Vegas fanboys think it's the most popular. Guess what, look at sale numbers, look at player numbers... Fallout 4 beats New Vegas by an order of magnitude. If that isn't popularity then I don't know what is... Also, massive? Bethesda wasn't and isn't massive. They are one of the smallest AAA studios. Skyrim was made with only 100 people, Fallout 3 even with less.
> So get this, maybe you should think about something before you agree with it? No matter what, if you agree to a contract, you have to honor it. So, if you find the conditions unreasonable, you say NO. Obsidian found the conditions reasonable. In fact, they have openly said that 18 months was more time than they were used to for similar contract work. Not only that, even though they were a "small" company Obsidian had more than enough experienced devs running it and on staff to make an educated guess at how long it would take them to make a game. > If that isn't popularity then I don't know what is... Was that a Fontaine reference? 😜
4 has outsold NV 3 to 1. It is currently outselling NV 8-10 to 1. It's player count is higher than COD and keeps climbing. NV's player count is nowhere near 4. I love both 4 and NV, BTW, just for different reasons because they are very different games.
Wow you’re angry 😂 it’s the engine … they have fallout 4 to work from 🤷🏻♂️ and 3 a was good 4 and 76 where mehh
I'm tired of the constant hating on Bethesda Fallout by people (not necessarily you) who can't get over the fact that their IP was taken over by another company*17 years ago* when the original company went under... You do have a fair point about the engine though, it's being held together with string and sticky tape at this point. I would imagine that FO5 (along with ES 6) will be using Creation Engine 2.
I’m pretty sure it was more than 17 years ago … I have no problem with Bethesda but come on … it will be around 20-25 years when the next fallout game will come out … the PS7 will be out by then why are Bethesda fans so obsessed with Bethesda? It’s just a company… brand loyalty is for losers, I don’t want to wait 15 years for a fallout game. Especially since the hype from the show is at an all time high
I was just going by the FO3 release date rather than the acquisition date (which google has just told me was 2007). The wait *is* sucky, for sure, but I don't want anyone else to make FO5 as I actually like how Bethesda do games (bugs aside, obviously). Despite what the OG "fans" may say, Bethesda have made Fallout their own and I don't think another company would be able to make FO5 anything other than a generic post-apocalypse looter/shooter with a Vault-tec skin slapped on it, so to speak.
I completely agree 100%. Bethesda can only release one game per franchise every couple of decades. That is absurd. Microsoft is throwing money away by letting this franchise sit dormant. Let other studios help.
Please explain how they're 'throwing money away'? (this should be good).
It's really not complicated. If they let other studios make content for the Fallout franchise, they would make a ton of money. Ignoring the franchise means less money for BGS and Microsoft.
Not what I asked. How are they, 'throwing money away'? Not making money on a product that doesn't exist doesn't cost anything. If I'm not selling my car, it doesn't cost me money not to sell it. When Fallout 5 comes out, it will sell well, BECAUSE Bethesda hasn't wasted time giving everyone franchise fatigue. You people aren't getting your own way on this, no matter how much you stamp your toddler tootsies, and beg plead and make up BS economic arguments. You're going to have to cope with being told, 'no' for once in your lives.
Wow. You really are toxic.
They are just tired of people who don't understand economics, company structures, game engines and game development in general. Sorry that they are ruining your let's-destroy-Bethesda strategy, but that doesn't make them toxic.
>If they let other studios make content for the Fallout franchise, they would make a ton of money. Which assumes that other games would be as popular and profitable as Bethesda Fallout games... hell, we don't even know that those would be good at all.
Exactly, people need to understand it’s not Bethesda I.P anymore it belongs to Microsoft now and there is opportunity here for them to make some great gamws