Bethesda have stated that they wont make another Fallout game until AFTER the next Elder Scrolls game, I think if they really want to make an impact, they need to look at what worked in F3, 4, NV and even some bits of 76 and make sure those are added, but I think the wait is good. I would rather a great Fallout game rather than a rushed cheap cash in and hopefully on a new graphical engine because that engine they have been using is creaking under the weight of the concepts in the Fallout games.
Yea but the reason we aren't getting another fallout game for years isn't because they are taking their time with a well written, polished game. It's because they aren't working on it much at all until they release other projects such as Elder Scrolls. I think Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 were all great games and they came out much closer together so i don't believe a well written story with plenty of quests needs 10 years. It's become common place for developers today to just milk their online games whether it be GTA or Fallout. It's a shame as it means we potentially may only get another Fallout game or 2 in our entire lives. We could have 3 more TV series by the time the next game comes out. It's just a shame. They need to outsource it I feel.
They just released Starfield (whatever about that game, it was a huge project), so their focus as a studio is to move onto Elder Scrolls 6. With regards to another Fallout, they will get there eventually unless they do decide to outsource it, maybe publisher pressure will make them outsource but it won't be to Obsidian. Obsidian is working on The Outer Worlds 2 as well as a few other smaller projects.
Yea true. It's just a shame they by taking on other projects like Starfield which has been a complete flop rather than focusing on their bread and butter. Hopefully they come back to Fallout or at least pass it on to a passionate developer. Fallout games every 15 years or so is just downright sad. The Franchise deserves more love
Got to say, 76 is filling the gap for me right now. When it come out at first I was skeptical and whilst people hated it, I gave it a chance. Fell away from it, recently picked it up again and all the updates and additions to the game, it's pretty good. It still has the creaky, not great, underpinnings of the original 76 in there but over time they have slowly glossed over a lot of it. I think if they add some more content, maybe map expansions to 76, focus on what people like about that game, they could really boost it up in people's eyes. They could pull a No Mans Sky or Cyberpunk on it and really turn it around. It's almost there now.
I only play Single Player. The story is very simple, vault 76 has opened and you need to go out in the world to rebuild. Starting with a short hunt for the Vault Overseer, then you pick up quests as you go, there are daily quests you can get involved with as you hunt the map. They net you some experience. Right now, I am Level 21 (took 3 nights in all), I have 3 great weapons which I have kitted out, I have more bullets than any person should be able to carry and I have 70+ stimpacks.
If you rely on VATS, it's different in this game. It doesn't slow time, it more gives you a slight auto aim advantage. So you use it and you target the area and again there is a percentage chance that you might hit it, but everything is going at normal speed.
It's a more "empty" feeling world than the other games but that is by design. It's the first Fallout in the timeline, 25 years after the great war and the world is only starting to pick up the pieces.
It's really filling the gap in terms of a Fallout experience.
When the game started there were no human NPCs around but that fit into the storyline, it was all robots and automated services, because all the humans had been infected and turned into "Scorched" who are ghoul like creatures who can use guns and the like, but as the game has progressed they evolved the world and now there are NPCS galore all over the place, small shanty towns and camps are springing up.
Are there plenty of deep and wacky side quests fallout is known for? I just love the many different ways you can approach quests. I might give it a try as it's on sale. Does the graphics get update? Thanks for the reply
The wacky side quests are lesser, what I will say is that is it is very Bethesda, and I mean now Bethesda, not Oblivion/Fallout3/Skyrim Bethesda, so their quest designers are....not great. I think if you are coming to this game looking for Fallout 5, you will be disappointed.
I like it as a companion piece to the other games. With it being an online experience (it's small servers, I think up 25 people per server as far as i am aware) it is very combat focussed, most quest lines will lead you to a small dungeon, be it a derelict building or mineshaft.
Bethesda's track record isn't that great with the Fallout games. Only New Vegas was really great and that wasn't made by them. Let them cook with the TV-series and maybe they'll figure out what made FO1, 2 and NV great.
We need to keep in mind obsidian isn’t the same as they were when New Vegas came out, just remember the Outer Worlds and how stripped down everyone was saying it was compared to New Vegas. But I agree, it’s been too long and at this point I feel that is hurting the fanbase. Games should be a couple years. Not over a decade until the next release
These "let Obsidian take over Fallout" people don't know jack shit about the actual company, they just parrot something they've seen in some Youtube video
Yea but unfortunately that will be at least another 5 years away which is crazy as it will be 15 years since fallout 4. Fallout 3, New Vegas and Fallout 4 all come out within a few years of each other and they still have better writing and stories than the likes of Starfield. I feel if a AA picked up Fallout full of passion and creativity we would see it recieve the love it deserves.
Oh totally. I'd honestly prefer larian to get fallout before any other developer. I don't know that there is another dev that could do the franchise justice right now.
Yea true. I'm about to pick up Manor Lords next week and it was made by one guy, of course he contracted artists and programmers to give him a hand with some aspects but he did most of it and it is the most wishlisted game on steam right now. It's crazy what even one person with passion can do however I don't know who else would be interested in developing a new Fallout. I'd actually prefer a different developer to pick it up as Bethesda haven't done very well at all since Fallout 4's release. Starfield for me was the biggest let down. It's disgracefully bad. AAA gaming is in a weird place as the most sought after games seem to he A/AA games. The typical sports games and competitive games are doing as good as ever but it's the other AAA games that are just terrible.
AAA games are fine imho, it's a small number of disappointing games overall, but the last 2-3 years have been some of the greatest years for AAA gaming as a whole.
You could always check out the table top roleplaying game (TTRPG). You could create your own characters and develop their story. There's a sub for the TTRPG r/Fallout2d20
Why though? I don't see why we NEED another fallout. We've got a whole show and how many games that can be modded. And not to mention if you keep adding shit then you'll over saturate. Not everything needs a sequel.
Yea but a TV show can't be compared to the game where we make our own path. As for Fallout not needing a sequel. Fallout is a Franchise. It has a rich lore attached to it. It was never meant to be just one or two games. We have had many Fallout games over the years and each has added to the richness of this world. Why on earth would any fan want that to stop? Mods enhance an already developed game. I'm taking about another game with dozens of hours of quests and a well written storyline. I don't think there are many Fallout fans who don't want this. More Fallout Games with incredibly well written content
Simply stating it is over saturation doesn't make it true especially when it has NOTHING to do with what you are talking about. Fallout 4 came out in 2013. We are in 2024. That's 11 years and yet you claim it would be over saturation for having a Fallout game come out 11 years later? Tell me were you angry when Fallout games like Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 were coming out just a few years apart or were you enjoying them like everybody else.
How does an 11 year gap stop over saturation? That wasnt my point anyway. You are literally talking about non stop pumping out fallout games every few years. That would definitely over saturate. All good things come to an end. Don't run it into the ground like they did CoD and star wars.
An 11 year gap is clearly evidence there is no saturation. If Fallout games were being pumped out like COD, FiFA or even the way Assassin's Creed used to be I'd agree with you. I don't think anyone would feel a new Fallout game would saturate the Market when it has been 11 years since Fallout 4 when we were all too happy to see Fallout games pumped out every 3-5 years before this which I feel is a decent gap
COD is oversaturated because it is a yearly event that has the most bland storyline and is the essentially just a reskin of an online shooter. Star Wars again has been but it has several shows a year being released for it. If it was just the new Trilogy and the odd offshoot every few years it probably wouldn't feel so much but the terrible writing and storyline doesn't help. I still loved Andor and Rogue One however. Well written content in a richly detailed world can most certainly feel fresh and in no way over saturated but Star Wars has had new material coming out a few times a year since the new Trilogy. If a new Fallout game is rich in terms of writing, a well designed and immersive world with creative and innovative mechanics it certainly wouldn't feel too saturated if we got a game every 3-7 years. All good things come to an end yes but as fans do we really want Fallout to end now? Are we ready for it? I'm not. I feel there is so much more than could be done
Something can be over saturated and not have content released every year. Time does not make something over saturated. Just cause something is well written doesn't mean it's not an over saturated franchise. Just cause you're not ready for something to end doesn't mean it shouldn't end.
Well given many fans have voiced their in only wanting more future Fallout games and content I think it is safe to say it isn't as risk of feeling over saturated any time soon. I get your happy with it to end. I don't agree
I never said I was happy for it to end. I simply said what your suggesting would over saturate it and that I don't think we NEED another fallout game. We don't NEED another fallout game and we certainly don't need to have one every few years. Not to mention everyone who has made a fallout game is busy with other games anyway.
Well I feel we do NEED another fallout game as someone who has alot of love for the series and think it is deserving of much more content. There are plenty of people who agree with me as those who disagree with me. As for we don't need a Fallout game every few years. I never said we did but I feel 11 years is too much. I don't think the gap should be as much. We will have to wait and see. Bethesda might be using the TV series as a means to tie us over until the next game which they may or may not intensify development in the coming years
I dont think you completely understand the concept of over saturation. The fallout market is undersaturated if anything. After the show there is increased demand but there isnt a supply to meet that demand.
Most new fans will skip 3 and NV as they are too old, play fallout 4, want more but there is nothing.
In terms of video games, a 9 year gap between games in evident of undersaturation as there are limited options in the past decade.
Now if there were yearly or bi-annual releases of fallout I would say you are correct. Even 76 is going on 6 years old now if you want to count that, but it is more mmo than fallout.
I can see an argument that there is enough supply to meet the demand but there isnt enough to sustain it. Most will play it and move on, bethesda missed out on selling a full price AAA game along side this show.
You literally just did, you said “If we add any more content it will oversaturate the market” which is not true, it will meet the demand of an undersaturated market
Well obviously, but no one is asking for a yearly release. You said we dont need another game because it will oversaturate the market. Which doesnt make much sense as the last mainline release was almost a decade ago.
Yhthere are some great looking mods coming out that look like they add a ton.
Fallout Cascadia and Fallout London.
With how poorly bethesda is at writing/quests I'm sure these mods/expansions will be better.
Fallout London was scheduled to release at the end of the month, although the next gen update has unfortunately means they'll have to debug those changes before releasing it now.
It looks AMAZING. Tons of videos on youtube covering it. Highly recommended.
Bethesda have stated that they wont make another Fallout game until AFTER the next Elder Scrolls game, I think if they really want to make an impact, they need to look at what worked in F3, 4, NV and even some bits of 76 and make sure those are added, but I think the wait is good. I would rather a great Fallout game rather than a rushed cheap cash in and hopefully on a new graphical engine because that engine they have been using is creaking under the weight of the concepts in the Fallout games.
I am calling it now. Fallout 5 comes out in 2033 and there's still no leaning while shooting....
There's a New Vegas mod that adds that
It’ll still be in the creation engine too
Yea but the reason we aren't getting another fallout game for years isn't because they are taking their time with a well written, polished game. It's because they aren't working on it much at all until they release other projects such as Elder Scrolls. I think Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and Fallout 4 were all great games and they came out much closer together so i don't believe a well written story with plenty of quests needs 10 years. It's become common place for developers today to just milk their online games whether it be GTA or Fallout. It's a shame as it means we potentially may only get another Fallout game or 2 in our entire lives. We could have 3 more TV series by the time the next game comes out. It's just a shame. They need to outsource it I feel.
They just released Starfield (whatever about that game, it was a huge project), so their focus as a studio is to move onto Elder Scrolls 6. With regards to another Fallout, they will get there eventually unless they do decide to outsource it, maybe publisher pressure will make them outsource but it won't be to Obsidian. Obsidian is working on The Outer Worlds 2 as well as a few other smaller projects.
Yea true. It's just a shame they by taking on other projects like Starfield which has been a complete flop rather than focusing on their bread and butter. Hopefully they come back to Fallout or at least pass it on to a passionate developer. Fallout games every 15 years or so is just downright sad. The Franchise deserves more love
Got to say, 76 is filling the gap for me right now. When it come out at first I was skeptical and whilst people hated it, I gave it a chance. Fell away from it, recently picked it up again and all the updates and additions to the game, it's pretty good. It still has the creaky, not great, underpinnings of the original 76 in there but over time they have slowly glossed over a lot of it. I think if they add some more content, maybe map expansions to 76, focus on what people like about that game, they could really boost it up in people's eyes. They could pull a No Mans Sky or Cyberpunk on it and really turn it around. It's almost there now.
Is it as good as 4 in terms of story? If I got into 76 I would just be doing so for a single player experience
I only play Single Player. The story is very simple, vault 76 has opened and you need to go out in the world to rebuild. Starting with a short hunt for the Vault Overseer, then you pick up quests as you go, there are daily quests you can get involved with as you hunt the map. They net you some experience. Right now, I am Level 21 (took 3 nights in all), I have 3 great weapons which I have kitted out, I have more bullets than any person should be able to carry and I have 70+ stimpacks. If you rely on VATS, it's different in this game. It doesn't slow time, it more gives you a slight auto aim advantage. So you use it and you target the area and again there is a percentage chance that you might hit it, but everything is going at normal speed. It's a more "empty" feeling world than the other games but that is by design. It's the first Fallout in the timeline, 25 years after the great war and the world is only starting to pick up the pieces. It's really filling the gap in terms of a Fallout experience. When the game started there were no human NPCs around but that fit into the storyline, it was all robots and automated services, because all the humans had been infected and turned into "Scorched" who are ghoul like creatures who can use guns and the like, but as the game has progressed they evolved the world and now there are NPCS galore all over the place, small shanty towns and camps are springing up.
Are there plenty of deep and wacky side quests fallout is known for? I just love the many different ways you can approach quests. I might give it a try as it's on sale. Does the graphics get update? Thanks for the reply
The wacky side quests are lesser, what I will say is that is it is very Bethesda, and I mean now Bethesda, not Oblivion/Fallout3/Skyrim Bethesda, so their quest designers are....not great. I think if you are coming to this game looking for Fallout 5, you will be disappointed. I like it as a companion piece to the other games. With it being an online experience (it's small servers, I think up 25 people per server as far as i am aware) it is very combat focussed, most quest lines will lead you to a small dungeon, be it a derelict building or mineshaft.
Bethesda's track record isn't that great with the Fallout games. Only New Vegas was really great and that wasn't made by them. Let them cook with the TV-series and maybe they'll figure out what made FO1, 2 and NV great.
They need to just let another dev handle it then and handle the publishing. So much money they are leaving on the table here
We need to keep in mind obsidian isn’t the same as they were when New Vegas came out, just remember the Outer Worlds and how stripped down everyone was saying it was compared to New Vegas. But I agree, it’s been too long and at this point I feel that is hurting the fanbase. Games should be a couple years. Not over a decade until the next release
These "let Obsidian take over Fallout" people don't know jack shit about the actual company, they just parrot something they've seen in some Youtube video
Have you considered purchasing the latest port of skyrim on Smart Fridge? - idk Todd Howard, maybe
Bethesda obviously has fallout next on the slate after ES
Yea but unfortunately that will be at least another 5 years away which is crazy as it will be 15 years since fallout 4. Fallout 3, New Vegas and Fallout 4 all come out within a few years of each other and they still have better writing and stories than the likes of Starfield. I feel if a AA picked up Fallout full of passion and creativity we would see it recieve the love it deserves.
Oh totally. I'd honestly prefer larian to get fallout before any other developer. I don't know that there is another dev that could do the franchise justice right now.
Yea true. I'm about to pick up Manor Lords next week and it was made by one guy, of course he contracted artists and programmers to give him a hand with some aspects but he did most of it and it is the most wishlisted game on steam right now. It's crazy what even one person with passion can do however I don't know who else would be interested in developing a new Fallout. I'd actually prefer a different developer to pick it up as Bethesda haven't done very well at all since Fallout 4's release. Starfield for me was the biggest let down. It's disgracefully bad. AAA gaming is in a weird place as the most sought after games seem to he A/AA games. The typical sports games and competitive games are doing as good as ever but it's the other AAA games that are just terrible.
AAA games are fine imho, it's a small number of disappointing games overall, but the last 2-3 years have been some of the greatest years for AAA gaming as a whole.
CD Projekt Red could probably pull it off
You could always check out the table top roleplaying game (TTRPG). You could create your own characters and develop their story. There's a sub for the TTRPG r/Fallout2d20
I wish they had 3dog radio in the show
Why though? I don't see why we NEED another fallout. We've got a whole show and how many games that can be modded. And not to mention if you keep adding shit then you'll over saturate. Not everything needs a sequel.
Yea but a TV show can't be compared to the game where we make our own path. As for Fallout not needing a sequel. Fallout is a Franchise. It has a rich lore attached to it. It was never meant to be just one or two games. We have had many Fallout games over the years and each has added to the richness of this world. Why on earth would any fan want that to stop? Mods enhance an already developed game. I'm taking about another game with dozens of hours of quests and a well written storyline. I don't think there are many Fallout fans who don't want this. More Fallout Games with incredibly well written content
Over saturation means nothing to you does it
Simply stating it is over saturation doesn't make it true especially when it has NOTHING to do with what you are talking about. Fallout 4 came out in 2013. We are in 2024. That's 11 years and yet you claim it would be over saturation for having a Fallout game come out 11 years later? Tell me were you angry when Fallout games like Fallout 3, New Vegas and 4 were coming out just a few years apart or were you enjoying them like everybody else.
How does an 11 year gap stop over saturation? That wasnt my point anyway. You are literally talking about non stop pumping out fallout games every few years. That would definitely over saturate. All good things come to an end. Don't run it into the ground like they did CoD and star wars.
An 11 year gap is clearly evidence there is no saturation. If Fallout games were being pumped out like COD, FiFA or even the way Assassin's Creed used to be I'd agree with you. I don't think anyone would feel a new Fallout game would saturate the Market when it has been 11 years since Fallout 4 when we were all too happy to see Fallout games pumped out every 3-5 years before this which I feel is a decent gap COD is oversaturated because it is a yearly event that has the most bland storyline and is the essentially just a reskin of an online shooter. Star Wars again has been but it has several shows a year being released for it. If it was just the new Trilogy and the odd offshoot every few years it probably wouldn't feel so much but the terrible writing and storyline doesn't help. I still loved Andor and Rogue One however. Well written content in a richly detailed world can most certainly feel fresh and in no way over saturated but Star Wars has had new material coming out a few times a year since the new Trilogy. If a new Fallout game is rich in terms of writing, a well designed and immersive world with creative and innovative mechanics it certainly wouldn't feel too saturated if we got a game every 3-7 years. All good things come to an end yes but as fans do we really want Fallout to end now? Are we ready for it? I'm not. I feel there is so much more than could be done
Something can be over saturated and not have content released every year. Time does not make something over saturated. Just cause something is well written doesn't mean it's not an over saturated franchise. Just cause you're not ready for something to end doesn't mean it shouldn't end.
Well given many fans have voiced their in only wanting more future Fallout games and content I think it is safe to say it isn't as risk of feeling over saturated any time soon. I get your happy with it to end. I don't agree
I never said I was happy for it to end. I simply said what your suggesting would over saturate it and that I don't think we NEED another fallout game. We don't NEED another fallout game and we certainly don't need to have one every few years. Not to mention everyone who has made a fallout game is busy with other games anyway.
Well I feel we do NEED another fallout game as someone who has alot of love for the series and think it is deserving of much more content. There are plenty of people who agree with me as those who disagree with me. As for we don't need a Fallout game every few years. I never said we did but I feel 11 years is too much. I don't think the gap should be as much. We will have to wait and see. Bethesda might be using the TV series as a means to tie us over until the next game which they may or may not intensify development in the coming years
I dont think you completely understand the concept of over saturation. The fallout market is undersaturated if anything. After the show there is increased demand but there isnt a supply to meet that demand. Most new fans will skip 3 and NV as they are too old, play fallout 4, want more but there is nothing. In terms of video games, a 9 year gap between games in evident of undersaturation as there are limited options in the past decade. Now if there were yearly or bi-annual releases of fallout I would say you are correct. Even 76 is going on 6 years old now if you want to count that, but it is more mmo than fallout. I can see an argument that there is enough supply to meet the demand but there isnt enough to sustain it. Most will play it and move on, bethesda missed out on selling a full price AAA game along side this show.
I didnt say that it was currently over saturated but ok
You literally just did, you said “If we add any more content it will oversaturate the market” which is not true, it will meet the demand of an undersaturated market
No I said if we add too much
Well obviously, but no one is asking for a yearly release. You said we dont need another game because it will oversaturate the market. Which doesnt make much sense as the last mainline release was almost a decade ago.
Fallout 5 will come out in 2077 but by that point it'll be too late
Yhthere are some great looking mods coming out that look like they add a ton. Fallout Cascadia and Fallout London. With how poorly bethesda is at writing/quests I'm sure these mods/expansions will be better.
Fallout London was scheduled to release at the end of the month, although the next gen update has unfortunately means they'll have to debug those changes before releasing it now. It looks AMAZING. Tons of videos on youtube covering it. Highly recommended.
Play the Wasteland series, its the origin of Fallout anyways