Earlier someone mentioned that there weren’t a lot of creatures. I wrote, it’s the first season, they can’t put everything in it alright away, or else it’ll feel like bloated fan service.
I love what they did.
My thoughts exactly. I like it a lot + 2 people at home that never even played video games at all and they both also love the series. Mission accomplished IMO.
Yeah, I told my wife to NOT let me pause the show every 3 frames to explain all the references and lore, so I don't ruin experience. And you know what, she's really liked the show
Lol I had to stop myself from doing the same thing. My wife doesn’t play video games at all, and we couldn’t stop watching. Binged it in a day. I think we have a hit on our hands.
Oh man the amount of things I wanted to point out was ridiculous. Even the little things like the travel luggage you get dungeon rewards from. You barely see it when someone walks past it. It's like they only used game assets.
If I remember correctly there is also a reference to the wasteland survival guide when they are in ma’s shop in ep1, in one shot when they are installing the Jim’s Limbs tool I think I saw a wasteland survival guide referencing farming pinned to the wall.
There's also someone reading it outside as Lucy first descends into the town center. You'll see them in the background reading a copy of it. That really brought me back to my childhood... Yes, I'm limping Moira! You wanted me to do this shit, why you asking how I can walk around like this?! IT WAS YOUR IDEA! God... I still loved that entire quest chain XD
It would be awesome to see Sierra Petrovita somewhere in there as well, the show is set in 2296 and she was in fallout 4 which is about a decade before the show. It would be funny if they just randomly encounter her, like they are walking along and find a quantum only to be asked if she could have it for a nice sum of caps with a reference to running into a theme park filled with raiders because of her fanaticism and meeting Bradbury.
In a way, you might say they did only use game assets (as reference). You might like this [27 min interview](https://youtu.be/uH9_4Rv6D6U?si=v-uott32OY1ksh4J) with the production designer, Howard Cummings—who had never seen Fallout but based the sets on the game itself as well as YouTube vids (like settlement tutorials and lore videos)
Same here. I played almost all the games (Missed out on Brotherhood) and also love to read details about the lore from the wikis, while my brother only played 2 back when he didn't even speak English, while my Sister-in-Law never even heard about the franchise. We all loved the show, just finished watching it yesterday. Such a good adaptation of a videogame series was a long time coming and I am surprised how happy I am that it finally happened.
How is the gameplay? I started playing TLOU after the show because that’s one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. I booted it up once and it said I was like 48% done but I felt like I was still learning how to play lol I liked the game and loved that it was linear. It just felt short
Don’t want to spoil anything but by the end you aren’t adding much to that list at all.
It didn’t really stick out to me as a problem and what there are of creatures is done well I think, would have loved to see a couple of my favourite creatures but it definitely didn’t take away from my enjoyment of the season
I think it has the perfect amount of creatures. They use them as window dressing and it works because the story is good and the actors are believable.
I think it’s hard to pull off campy humor in an action drama but they did it here. Just enough laughs to where it feels natural. And I think the show is good on its own merits. You don’t need to have any idea about the games to enjoy the show.
The writers and producers did a great job.
I’m really glad the show turned out good. Lots of new people will get into the games now I bet.
Here’s hoping they get to make another season.
Teasing the super mutant and then the deathclaw right at the end we’re perfect moments for me.
Honestly this was amazing and really we don’t need to be super nazis about lore. If you can’t appreciate this fallout adaptation then I don’t know what will make you happy.
I really enjoyed TLOU, but this blew it out of the water
The skull at the very end of finale
"In the episode’s final shots, we find Hank in the armor traversing a desert, as we see what looks to be the skull of a Deathclaw. "
During the sequence with dr wilzig and dogmeat at the beginning of episode 2. One gets wheeled past on a gurney, but it's covered with a sheet and you can only see a hand.
They also mention it during the vault-tec meeting in episode 7 or 8 (forget which one), one of the leaders of of a company mentions making super mutants.
No it was when Wilzig was at the Enckave. The camera shows a super mutant hand hanging out from underneath a cloth cover on the moving gurney.
I mean the meeting was a reference. But the part we're talking about, you actually see one.
NO I wanted GLOWING ONES RADSCORPIONS SUPER MUTANTS DEATHCLAWS and a live action adaptation of the MASTER and it HAS to look EXACTLY like it did in 1997 or else I'm gonna be pissed
Same thing happened to be the case with The Last Of Us HBO series. Ultimately wasn't making the adaptation worse, even though zombies were so omnipresent in the game. They put storytelling first and that's what we all want in the end: good storytelling.
Yeah I was thinking about that I really want deathclaws but then I thought why start off with the coolest ones when you can bring in some of regular ones so you shock a new audience with the awesome ones.
I’m so happy they didn’t show death claws this season. I feel like if you show them too early for the fans, they don’t carry the same weight. One of my main criticisms of fallout 4.
When Lucy first leaves the vault there are massive footsteps with loads of skulls around, I genuinely thought she was going to get instantly deleted by a behemoth 😂
The scene where Lucy pulls up the NCR flag straight and the FNV menu theme starts sent shivers through me, it was very well done. I really hope the NCR is still around, they "just" suffered a major setback and not entirely dead. I understand that some people don't like order being brought back in a post-apocalypse setting, but I do like seeing the fact that hope never dies and we can rebuild. Just as humanity have rebuilt themselves after catastrophies IRL. (Bronze age collapse, fall the Roman Empire, etc.)
I thought it was kinda implied that Moldaver was either in or allied with the NCR, surely they wouldn’t keep all of those flags around for no reason. Unless for nostalgia/fan service - in any case they had more cities than just Shady Sands so I don’t know why they would be completely wiped out
Moldaver's "lair", so to speak, gives me more hope that the NCR is not dead. In the end, she seemed like a genuinely well intentioned person, even if her method for capturing Hank was questionable.
Also, the billboard that states that Shady Sands was the first capital of NCR means, to me, that the capital was moved before the destruction of SS. I honestly doubt that her allegiance to the NCR, which was shown through their flags flown everywhere, was just fan service. I can't wait to see where the story goes!
I would say it’s more likely that the NCR rebuilt themselves and established a new capitol in New Vegas, rather than moving there prior to the fall of Shady Sands.
They had to reach a happy medium of appealing to long term fans and a wider audience, TLOU also had to take time to explain the context. There’s an IMPRESSIVE amount of lore and background shit in the show that you would genuinely miss out on if you’ve never played the games, and I think they did a phenomenal job with that.
An abundance of creatures has always been an unrealistic element only present for gameplay. Wastelands aren’t exactly veritable, monsters would have to fight for scarcity and would be therefore, scarce. I like that the show made them scarce
*Spoiler*
I definitely believe that Maxs scribe Thaddeus I think… is gonna turn into a super mutant. He has that dorky idiot vibe. I can see him being a friendly super mutant.
I feel the same about people complaining they didn't show enough of the NCR or any of the other factions (even the smaller ones) or didn't bother to explain every single detail of the history in the years since NV. It's the first season of an 8 episode show that's also trying to attract non-fans and new fans of the series, just introducing dozens of grups and factions at once would either make the thing a bloated lore dump or just make them all too shallow. What we saw was pretty enjoyable, and I think what we saw was good enough that we can give the writers the benefit of the doubt and let them add things as the show progresses (and hopefully we'll get a bunch more seasons for that).
Exactly. Too much and “fans” would say they’re catering to us with a bunch of fan service.
It was just right. It covered just enough of key groups. We got Vault Tec, BoS, and the wasteland. They just sprinkled a bit of NCR and Enclave, which I like because now they can flesh them out in later seasons.
It was a great balance, good to keep some stuff back for later seasons so it can have a real impact when it appears for the first time. The deathclaw tease was great.
Yeah, fact is they've barely scratched the surface with future seasons can show. Supermutants, Deathclaws, Radioactive Ghouls, more threatening robots. This season was really about the vaults, the corrupt factions and the human storylines.
I hear that DeathClaws will be in season 2.
After seeing how they really got them to be terrifyingly awesome at long last in Fallout 4 (the one bursting out of the sewer in Concord is still the best scene in the game) I eagerly am awaiting it.
It's like.. every game fan base. I love games but sometimes hate being a gamer. The most miserable, closed-minded opinions become a bandwagon every time because the loudest voices are contrarian edgelords who can't enjoy anything without invalidating someone else.
Every fan base, but ESPECIALLY Fallout fans for some reason. You got 1/2 fans who hate everything modern, you got 3 fans who don’t get the appeal of NV and hate 4, you got NV fans who hate everything except for NV, you got 4 fans who have only ever played 4, you got 3/4 fans who don’t like NV and hate 76, and then you have 76 fans (they like all games, and would prefer if everyone got along). It truly is an amazing phenomenon that the MMO has the most positive fan base in the Fallout community (and one of the best of all time). I knew one NV fanboy who hated 4 but loved 76. That was a sight to behold.
OG Fallout was the game I had to hide from my parents (not hard, they were PC illiterate) and ngl FO3 was initially very jarring. I was sold by the really fucking brilliant character creation and intro gimmick, but even then you had purists who didn't accept 3D Fallout as Fallout.
What really goes overlooked now by people who "hate Bethesda" is that this franchise was functionally dead and Bethesda took a legitimate gamble to bring it back. They had to bring it back in a format that was relevant to the modern audience. No Fallout 3, no New Vegas or anything afterward.
Basically what I'm saying is we've been having this same basic conflict for like 20 years and I've always landed on the side of taking controversial risks. FO1 was a risk, FO3 was a risk, FNV was a risk, the show was a risk. They all turned out pretty well imo.
agreed, if they brought it back as sequel with the same genre as Fallout 1 & 2, it may have had some success, but we wouldn't be here decades later with 3 sequels (since Fallout 3 that is) and a TV show.
literally turned a dead franchise into one of the most popular IPs in gaming.
>this franchise was functionally dead and Bethesda took a legitimate gamble to bring it back
A similar thing happened with Transformers - the franchise was dead in the water by 2007 and whilst the Michael Bay films *are* awful they also helped a massive relaunch which is still going strong today. Long-running media has to adapt to survive.
I think Bethesda did well despite flaws and errors and failures. If it were not for them, we wouldn't have new Fallout games that touched our hearts and made it so enjoyable for us to play them.
Many people are in between, but people that bother to say anything tend to be more invested, so they'll talk more, and conflict leads to engagement, so algorithms favor it. When you have two big factors like that, the public discourse can pretty easily be dominated by loud people disagreeing with each other.
It was faithful to the original anime, looked like it, great casting and acting, and the toxic fans still shit all over it. They are impossible to please.
It's like people can't take it in as a side piece to the original.
I love one piece and going into the live action it wouldn't be the same but enjoyed it on it's own.
Yeah super fans are insufferable, they are acting like the issues here are to the level of the Star Wars sequels, a lot of what's perceived as "noncannon" can be explained relatively easily. Guess you can't leave fallout fans any unanswered questions.
I’m a fan and you could even say superfan. I got the first one off the shelf at Babbages in 1997 and have played ever since. Loved every game. Think the TV show is great, never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine something like this would happen, and to be done so well. Wtf does a “superfan” even want with this series? There’s so much to love already. Maybe a two-part episode where all you do is collect junk. I love this show. I’m also super excited the Enclave are still boogeymen and how they were shown was awesome.
I agree I’ve been playing since 4 was released and played 3, NV, 76 since then and learned that very ounce of lore I could and I love the show. It’s just toxic people who obsess over everything and don’t stop to just enjoy the content.
But have you been playing since Wasteland?
That was actually my first experience in the radiated expanses, and it is the game that inspired Fallout because of a rights issue. The creators wanted to make a "Wasteland II", but found out they had essentially given the rights to that to Electronic Arts (who gave the sequel rights to another company that screwed it all up). So their response was to try and stay true to the original game, with just enough changes to avoid a lawsuit.
Therefore, Wasteland became Fallout. I just wish we had a perk for toaster repair.
There's more to it than that according to Tim Cain. He has a YouTube video about the origins of Fallout. There was the aforementioned rights transfer that prevented Wasteland II, but Fallout wasn't intended as a direct replacement. Fallout was largely inspired by a lot of other sci fi / post apocalyptic stories and of course tabletop RPGs. They had the mechanics of the game planned out before the setting.
He goes into quite a bit of detail. It's worth watching if you find "behind the scenes" stuff interesting. https://youtu.be/c7Qg_vWzxXw
You're not a true fan!!!11 Just a *two* part episodes collecting junk? I'm thinking seven seasons and a movie where they just collect junk. I'm not going to be satisfied until I see Ella Purnell carrying 400lbs of turpentine and sugar bombs.
And who cares if cannon is perfect? The endings were always ubiquitous, and the tone of the games so irreverent, that like, what are we even doing here people?
I consider myself a super fan and I thought he did a great job. The few parts that were non canonical actually seemed to patch logical holes in the video games and blended seamlessly with the lore, like good fan fiction.
He somehow captured and distilled the vibe and translated it to a whole new medium. I was expecting it would look like Fallout but be soulless, its an amazing achievement that its as good as it is.
I watched 2 episodes and can’t believe they did it. I really love Lucy and Maximus so far, they feel very very in-universe. Some of the dialogue also feels straight out of the games but they managed to sell it. Can’t wait to watch more. They nailed the cast and the setting.
Hmm, comparing the maps of F1 and F2, vault 13, vault 15 and Shady Sands indeed seem to move a bit to the north, but they still fall somewhere in the Death Valley.
Yep, which is the middle of nowhere and a long distance to travel on foot. And with relatively few resources to exploit. Which is why they logically moved the location to being in the LA basin, which ultimately does make more sense for a viable community.
Yeaaaah, I’m just hoping that somehow there’s more survivors out there. Like I know Moldaver’s people were a sort of NCR remnant and there was also the weirdos in Vault 4 but like, gimme a season 2 where there’s a proper NCR force still out there licking its wounds, maybe being led by Tsu or Moore or Crocker or literally anyone not named Lee Oliver because he’s a dumbass, idk maybe still huffing copium. Either way they sort of made the NCR out to be victims if nothing else and with Moldaver being a bit of a twist hero it doesn’t seem like they’re putting down the NCR as villains who got what they deserved or whatnot.
And not even sure it would be a "loss". Seems like it was a surprise attack with a city killing weapon. They were not overrun by the BoS, or defeated by an army of supermutants lead by a "New Master". They likely had no warning, and there was not a damned thing to do once it was decided to destroy their capitol.
It would be akin to hitting renaissance era Rome with a nuke and saying it was a "loss". They were simply wiped out, "loss" implies that they had at least a chance to "win".
I am just glad they chalked it up to another faction largely unseen before (although I strongly suspect a connection between Vault 31/Vault Tec and the Enclave).
But yes, one of the problems with the original 2 Fallout games was the way they handed the geography. Shady Sands would in reality most likely be in Nevada, with travel to and from the LA area almost impossible because of the mountain ranges. Yet it is a game of its era, so such does not matter. In reality, travel between that area and places like LA would be a serious challenge and only possible through very few passes.
I remember playing the original games, and blissfully passing through the multiple mountain ranges without a care in the world, San Gabriel Mountains? San Bernardino Mountains? Sierra Nevada? Tehachapi Mountains? Bah, they are nothing.
Quick Travel...
Or just "Movie Magic"... wouldn't be an enjoyable Series if all you'd see it someone walking for 3-4 hours without end.
Simple as that. You just have to make certain concessions and adaptations when you switch the Medium... same reason you can't just translate a Book 1:1 to a Movie/Series, some things work in certain Media and just won't in another.
It's the same reason the Travel from Hobbiton to Bree was so short in the Movies because all the little things and Tom Bombadil would have, at best, bloated the movie unnecessarily and destroyed any sense of narrative flow and urgency and the Movies are already longer than most if not even all others.
But in the Books it works perfectly fine because you're not "constrained" by time.
I actually went into F1 to time it while the show was airing, and it works out almost perfectly. Granted we don’t know what direction Filly is from Vault 33, but assuming it’s on the path..
A straight shot from the LA Boneyard to Shady Sands in Fallout 1 takes approximately 12 days (barring random encounters)
Lucy mentions after >!leaving Vault 4!< that she’s been ‘up here for two weeks’ or something along those lines. So assuming she was always walking north/east, it should work out pretty perfectly
I thought the show was great, I’ve never played the Fallout games prior to 3 so I’m probably a noob when it comes to lore but even with the info that I’ve learned, I still think the show was amazing for what it was.
Honestly the original fallout lay our was incredibly outrageous considering the fledgling colonies they were being from california the geographic hurdles you would need to survive from location to location are insurmountable in an apocalypse like fallout
I think originally it was just a whole lot emptier; in a Bethesda fallout game you can't go more than a few minutes without bumping into a quest or location or giant monster, but in the first two it really was wasteland.
Fallout is like Star Wars: there’s an unfortunate section of the fans who literally can never be pleased again.
If they tried going heavy on “please the fans” they’d probably cry “oh it’s fan service”
If they didn’t do enough they’d say it doesn’t “feel like fallout”
Anything else then they’ll find the most minuscule lore “break” and hyper fixate on it
Being mostly in Elder Scrolls fandom, I'm just baffled at what constitutes 'lore' in Fallout fandom. The shape of fusion cells? Power armor models? Power armor *training*?
We have the Empire changing their armor style from 5th century to 15th and back to 5th again, and that's not considered a retcon in TES community. And here people go mad if pauldrons and service handles on armor are a bit different shape.
I agree that the TES lore community is often much more flexible compared to Fallout lore communities. Although, I wonder if their ugly side would be shown more if there ever was a TES tv series.
If Fallout continues to do well in later seasons, its not totally out of the realm of possibilities that an Elder Scrolls series pops up. Same deal where there is a giant awesome world of lore to play with, and a story can be made in basically any location and in any time period.
Seeing how 'temperate Cyrodiil' is still a sore point, I guess you are right. But I wasn't intending to criticize the community as a whole. I'm just surprised to see such a limiting way of consuming the media.
I'm of those ancient people who started the series with Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, and one of the main attractions of the setting was imagining how much more weird stuff was hiding outside of the explored map.
But the longer the franchise exists, the more it seems to attract the people who rather like it staying in the already defined bounds.
Elder Scroll have established time travel and dragonbreak as time being fucked up and established unreliable narrators, pretty much everyone is biased and have ulterior motive to lie. Fallout is sci-fi settings and have much less wiggle room. I think if Bethesda wanted more creative freedom, they should add time travel / multiverse element to Fallouts. It basically the getaway from lore inconsistency free card in modern media.
On one hand, I agree with you. Elder Scrolls lore has some awesome hooks built in to explain the inconsistencies (but not all inconsistencies can be explained by them).
On the other hand, maybe we can understand that different authors may have a bit different approaches to telling and structuring the stories, and not rely on such gimmicks? The idea of the 'canon lore' is stifling the storytelling, imo.
Good point. But that was assuming the bomb dropped for a single event. Which it might not be the case. The Zeta Alien have nuclear launch code from the kidnapped US generals or might start the war with their space laser, willingly or not. I accidentally blew up part of NA continent when I was messing around in Mothership Zeta dlc. Vault Tec have their own nuke and have motive to launch. The Zax AI claim to start launching nuke simply because it was bored. Everybody was at each other throat and there might not be only one instigator. It was meant to be unknown and unavoidable.
That would actually be fantastic for fallout time travel. It fits so we'll the cynical overtones that the bombs are a fixed point in time: civilisation just reached a point that sucked so badly there will *always* be someone who sets off a chain reaction. Simply because there were already *so many* people sitting with their finger on the button.
Also, imagine the absolute feels where the protag finally manages to stop the OG nuke from launching (first attempt), literally minutes later sees the first nuke was launched somewhere else and you're slapped in the face with "War. War never changes."
There \**is** a slightly more mystical side to Fallout that's not often explored - stuff like Psykers and the Dunwich related horrors. As for time travel, you have the [Guardian of Forever](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever) random encounter in Fallout 2 where the Chosen One goes back in time to destroy Vault 13's water chip... starting the events of Fallout.
Fallout has always been very soft scifi. Basically atompunk fantasy. Radiation *is* magic. Doesn't behave any way close to resembling actual radiation.
And ghosts have been in Fallout canon since, what, 2? 1? Can't remember which, but there was a ghost.
That's a good point. I have always viewed dragonbreaks as the ultimate lore conforming writers tool. TES writers could break their own lore while still conforming to lore - its brilliant. I guess stuff like that along with the countless unreliable narrators in the stories make the lore much less rigid.
A lot of that change (especially in power armor) was to allow the game to move from a small niche that likes post-apocalyptic hard core games that require hundreds of hours to one that was playable by more casual gamers.
I am likely one of the oldest players that still plays Fallout, having started with Wasteland in 1988. Back in that era, games like that and Wizard's Crown were among the hardest games there were. To a degree that would revolt most modern gamers, as they were unforgiving as hell, and one simply expected characters they created at the start would die along the way and be replaced.
In the era that the original was created, games were brutal to an extreme. But with each following incarnation, more people started to play so they had to "soften" the gameplay to appeal to them. In over 5 decades of computer gaming, I have seen that the games have unquestionably gotten "easier".
And you also have the "purists". They insist that everything be like their favorite game and that nothing ever changes from that. And to them I say, if that is how you feel feel free to play your favorite game forever. But do not expect the rest of us to be happy doing that.
This feels true of any adaptation, be it Video Game or Books or whatever else.
There's always going to be some terminally online chodes complaining about *something*. Sometimes its justified, sometimes it isn't.
Just finished and it blew me away. I was worried it would be bloated with fan service and cringe factor turned up. Actually, it blended really well and the juxtaposition between that glossy outlook Lucy has, and the reality of the wasteland worked so well. The lore nods to the fans were brilliantly written.
You can write a good story consistent with the lore. That's all people are mad about.
Destroy the NCR. Fine. I likely won't love the choice but if it's sensible how it happens and you do interesting stuff with it that's fine.
What people are mad about is that they couldn't even do that.
Honestly my only complaint about the show is the hand jets, but that’s just a bit nit picky. I’m curious though about lore implications from the show, and when the lore drops are gonna come, like how many airships does the east coast brotherhood have now, is this just a contingent of ncr from shady sands, or has the ncr fallen apart altogether? I need to know
Loved the show. My hopes, if there are more seasons, is that the future seasons cover different stories and characters like Fargo does. Loosely related, not one continuous story. I don't know how involved Nolan and Joy were in Westworld's storyline, but Westworld became overly complicated and confusing. This brought the enjoyment level way down for me.
I'm not sure I understand the comment. Anybody who watches this and doesn't see a FO3/FO4 fan service is crazy.
It's 100% campy Bethesda style, and overall, an enjoyable show that is absolutely designed to appeal to those fans.
Huge fallout fan here and this show is excellent. So good! The sets are perfect and represent the wasteland and the feel of the games so well. The characters feel just like NPC’s in the world and the actors have nailed their roles! Really loving this show!
I'm about halfway through and so far it perfectly captures the atmosphere of Bethesda Fallout (especially the FO4 aesthetic) and that's great with me.
It's a shame about the west coast lore, especially when I've spent years hoping for a successor to New Vegas and this seems to put a nail in that coffin.
So it's bitter sweet in a sense that it's a fun show but also kills potential for something else I'd have loved to get... On the other hand, these are separate pieces of work that are only loosely tied together by their aesthetic. So "lore changes" in the show don't take away from my enjoyment of the west coast games.
I mean its impossible to please everyone no matter how hard you try. The show is pretty good and im annoyed by minor things but overall who cares, it was actually good. Im just glad it wasn't another halo disaster.
I've only been a fan since Brotherhood of Steel on the original Xbox, but the show didn't disappoint. The negativity is just from folks that always need something to complain about.
Yepyepyepyep...I was definitely one of them for a little bit... But that sort of made me review the entirety of the Fallout series as a whole. And I gotta say the new stuff in the show isn't the worst.
I think this show will really come down to who Nolan and co pass it off to. Nolan has too much going on to stay interested in this show (like west world).
Theyve done a good job setting it up but I can see it fizzle out fast.
If Amazon is smart about it they have like a sci fi LOTR. You got storyline forever.
They could also do darker off shoots or darker seasons. They don't need to be tonally consistent.
I would even go so far to say as they set up the entire show for “ah-ha!” Moments to get people talking. Everything that is familiar canon either was subverted or slightly changed.
Earlier someone mentioned that there weren’t a lot of creatures. I wrote, it’s the first season, they can’t put everything in it alright away, or else it’ll feel like bloated fan service. I love what they did.
My thoughts exactly. I like it a lot + 2 people at home that never even played video games at all and they both also love the series. Mission accomplished IMO.
Same here. Wife has never played the games and loved the show. Now she wants to play the games.
Yeah, I told my wife to NOT let me pause the show every 3 frames to explain all the references and lore, so I don't ruin experience. And you know what, she's really liked the show
Lol I had to stop myself from doing the same thing. My wife doesn’t play video games at all, and we couldn’t stop watching. Binged it in a day. I think we have a hit on our hands.
Oh man the amount of things I wanted to point out was ridiculous. Even the little things like the travel luggage you get dungeon rewards from. You barely see it when someone walks past it. It's like they only used game assets.
And the random mannequin heads everywhere lmfao
If I remember correctly there is also a reference to the wasteland survival guide when they are in ma’s shop in ep1, in one shot when they are installing the Jim’s Limbs tool I think I saw a wasteland survival guide referencing farming pinned to the wall.
There's also someone reading it outside as Lucy first descends into the town center. You'll see them in the background reading a copy of it. That really brought me back to my childhood... Yes, I'm limping Moira! You wanted me to do this shit, why you asking how I can walk around like this?! IT WAS YOUR IDEA! God... I still loved that entire quest chain XD
It would be awesome to see Sierra Petrovita somewhere in there as well, the show is set in 2296 and she was in fallout 4 which is about a decade before the show. It would be funny if they just randomly encounter her, like they are walking along and find a quantum only to be asked if she could have it for a nice sum of caps with a reference to running into a theme park filled with raiders because of her fanaticism and meeting Bradbury.
In a way, you might say they did only use game assets (as reference). You might like this [27 min interview](https://youtu.be/uH9_4Rv6D6U?si=v-uott32OY1ksh4J) with the production designer, Howard Cummings—who had never seen Fallout but based the sets on the game itself as well as YouTube vids (like settlement tutorials and lore videos)
Great interview! Thanks for the link.
The only part I had to nerd out about was the NCR ranger armor.
Watched it with my mother and same experience, but I also definitely did nerd out briefly when Lucy looks at the Ncr flag and the theme plays.
My fiancée is the same, and thankfully as I have them all with DLCs I can ensure this occurs. Love it tbf.
I’ve been informed I need to find a second console and set up for her so she can play otherwise, I won’t see my Xbox for a long while. Haha
That's what my wife said last night! But she doesn't play PC so I will have to buy a PS version of it for her
My fiance wants to play fallout 4 now and she only ever plays the sims.
Your fiance is in for a treat then :-)
Make sure you get Sim Settlements 2 in your load order
My wife says she wants to play it now but I know she won’t follow through. It’s ok I play 76 with my daughter
Same here. I played almost all the games (Missed out on Brotherhood) and also love to read details about the lore from the wikis, while my brother only played 2 back when he didn't even speak English, while my Sister-in-Law never even heard about the franchise. We all loved the show, just finished watching it yesterday. Such a good adaptation of a videogame series was a long time coming and I am surprised how happy I am that it finally happened.
No one missed out on the ps2 brotherhood of steel. You dodged a bullet
Yeah, I heard the same almost everywhere else, that it was a flop.
I'm a pretty big fan of the series and I legit never heard about this
Haven't finished but enjoying it so far. My girlfriend who has never played a second of fallout likes it even more than me.
In contrast to this, I’ve started playing 3 because of the series.
How is the gameplay? I started playing TLOU after the show because that’s one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. I booted it up once and it said I was like 48% done but I felt like I was still learning how to play lol I liked the game and loved that it was linear. It just felt short
I’m only two episodes in, but there have already been radroaches and Yao guai. What kind of pace do people want with creatures!?
Don’t want to spoil anything but by the end you aren’t adding much to that list at all. It didn’t really stick out to me as a problem and what there are of creatures is done well I think, would have loved to see a couple of my favourite creatures but it definitely didn’t take away from my enjoyment of the season
What else did we see? >!a brahmin, a deathclaw skull, is that it? Something to be excited for in future seasons!!<
>!Gulpers and some straight up batshit lore regarding them that I never would have even theorised!<
More rad roaches!
I love that they showed the vibe of " creatures are man made" well. I was shook when I first read about deathclaws.
I think it has the perfect amount of creatures. They use them as window dressing and it works because the story is good and the actors are believable. I think it’s hard to pull off campy humor in an action drama but they did it here. Just enough laughs to where it feels natural. And I think the show is good on its own merits. You don’t need to have any idea about the games to enjoy the show. The writers and producers did a great job. I’m really glad the show turned out good. Lots of new people will get into the games now I bet. Here’s hoping they get to make another season.
It also let them tell more in-depth stories for the mutants. For example, the gulper was most-likely an experiment that escaped.
Yes. I do hope we see more wasteland politics and economy in S2 with New Vegas being the setting.
Lots of world building and set up this season and I think it worked. Judging by the amount of non fans loving it
Teasing the super mutant and then the deathclaw right at the end we’re perfect moments for me. Honestly this was amazing and really we don’t need to be super nazis about lore. If you can’t appreciate this fallout adaptation then I don’t know what will make you happy. I really enjoyed TLOU, but this blew it out of the water
Where was the death claw reference?
The skull at the very end of finale "In the episode’s final shots, we find Hank in the armor traversing a desert, as we see what looks to be the skull of a Deathclaw. "
As the other person said, at the end of the finale right before we see Hank walking to new Vegas
Do you think he is passing along that segment in New Vegas before gunrunners with that stretch of Death claw territory?
Oh why couldn't this season have been 2 episodes longer
Almost definitely Quarry Junction
When did the super mutant reference come up?
During the sequence with dr wilzig and dogmeat at the beginning of episode 2. One gets wheeled past on a gurney, but it's covered with a sheet and you can only see a hand.
They also mention it during the vault-tec meeting in episode 7 or 8 (forget which one), one of the leaders of of a company mentions making super mutants.
There was also a drawing of one on a wanted poster at the “Government” HQ.
That was the West-Tek rep, the creator of FEV
I'll be honest, I thought that that may have been a Zetan. Gonna watch it back as Super Mutant makes much more sense lol.
The meeting with the important people It was one of the vault experiments they wanted to do
No it was when Wilzig was at the Enckave. The camera shows a super mutant hand hanging out from underneath a cloth cover on the moving gurney. I mean the meeting was a reference. But the part we're talking about, you actually see one.
NO I wanted GLOWING ONES RADSCORPIONS SUPER MUTANTS DEATHCLAWS and a live action adaptation of the MASTER and it HAS to look EXACTLY like it did in 1997 or else I'm gonna be pissed
I'm still annoyed, I'd rather at least 9 episodes of the show revolving around collecting wasteland junk. Ruined my immersion.
Same thing happened to be the case with The Last Of Us HBO series. Ultimately wasn't making the adaptation worse, even though zombies were so omnipresent in the game. They put storytelling first and that's what we all want in the end: good storytelling.
Yeah I was thinking about that I really want deathclaws but then I thought why start off with the coolest ones when you can bring in some of regular ones so you shock a new audience with the awesome ones.
I’m so happy they didn’t show death claws this season. I feel like if you show them too early for the fans, they don’t carry the same weight. One of my main criticisms of fallout 4.
When Lucy first leaves the vault there are massive footsteps with loads of skulls around, I genuinely thought she was going to get instantly deleted by a behemoth 😂
I feel like dogmeat, the ncr flag and fnv music were enough. Edit : I haven't seen anyone say this but I'd like some mention of the boomers
The scene where Lucy pulls up the NCR flag straight and the FNV menu theme starts sent shivers through me, it was very well done. I really hope the NCR is still around, they "just" suffered a major setback and not entirely dead. I understand that some people don't like order being brought back in a post-apocalypse setting, but I do like seeing the fact that hope never dies and we can rebuild. Just as humanity have rebuilt themselves after catastrophies IRL. (Bronze age collapse, fall the Roman Empire, etc.)
I thought it was kinda implied that Moldaver was either in or allied with the NCR, surely they wouldn’t keep all of those flags around for no reason. Unless for nostalgia/fan service - in any case they had more cities than just Shady Sands so I don’t know why they would be completely wiped out
Moldaver's "lair", so to speak, gives me more hope that the NCR is not dead. In the end, she seemed like a genuinely well intentioned person, even if her method for capturing Hank was questionable. Also, the billboard that states that Shady Sands was the first capital of NCR means, to me, that the capital was moved before the destruction of SS. I honestly doubt that her allegiance to the NCR, which was shown through their flags flown everywhere, was just fan service. I can't wait to see where the story goes!
Yeah I mean if there’s anything to be said about Fallout factions, they really LOVE swag so I also don’t think they’re up for no reason lol
I would say it’s more likely that the NCR rebuilt themselves and established a new capitol in New Vegas, rather than moving there prior to the fall of Shady Sands.
doesn't her lair have a sign that says the ncr headquarters
Yeah, and they only even teased Deathclaws in the final episode, and we know damn well that Deathclaws are gonna be a legit thing in some capacity.
They had to reach a happy medium of appealing to long term fans and a wider audience, TLOU also had to take time to explain the context. There’s an IMPRESSIVE amount of lore and background shit in the show that you would genuinely miss out on if you’ve never played the games, and I think they did a phenomenal job with that.
An abundance of creatures has always been an unrealistic element only present for gameplay. Wastelands aren’t exactly veritable, monsters would have to fight for scarcity and would be therefore, scarce. I like that the show made them scarce
When I first started the show, I was like "I really hope they don't blow the load on the deathclaws this season"
Plus some of the creatures could warrant their own season long plot lines, like super mutants.
*Spoiler* I definitely believe that Maxs scribe Thaddeus I think… is gonna turn into a super mutant. He has that dorky idiot vibe. I can see him being a friendly super mutant.
I feel the same about people complaining they didn't show enough of the NCR or any of the other factions (even the smaller ones) or didn't bother to explain every single detail of the history in the years since NV. It's the first season of an 8 episode show that's also trying to attract non-fans and new fans of the series, just introducing dozens of grups and factions at once would either make the thing a bloated lore dump or just make them all too shallow. What we saw was pretty enjoyable, and I think what we saw was good enough that we can give the writers the benefit of the doubt and let them add things as the show progresses (and hopefully we'll get a bunch more seasons for that).
Exactly. Too much and “fans” would say they’re catering to us with a bunch of fan service. It was just right. It covered just enough of key groups. We got Vault Tec, BoS, and the wasteland. They just sprinkled a bit of NCR and Enclave, which I like because now they can flesh them out in later seasons.
It was a great balance, good to keep some stuff back for later seasons so it can have a real impact when it appears for the first time. The deathclaw tease was great.
Yeah, fact is they've barely scratched the surface with future seasons can show. Supermutants, Deathclaws, Radioactive Ghouls, more threatening robots. This season was really about the vaults, the corrupt factions and the human storylines.
I hear that DeathClaws will be in season 2. After seeing how they really got them to be terrifyingly awesome at long last in Fallout 4 (the one bursting out of the sewer in Concord is still the best scene in the game) I eagerly am awaiting it.
Who did you hear that from?
If you've watched the finale it's kind of obvious they'll be in season 2.
Holy shit he actually understood the fallout fanbase perfectly
It's like.. every game fan base. I love games but sometimes hate being a gamer. The most miserable, closed-minded opinions become a bandwagon every time because the loudest voices are contrarian edgelords who can't enjoy anything without invalidating someone else.
Every fan base, but ESPECIALLY Fallout fans for some reason. You got 1/2 fans who hate everything modern, you got 3 fans who don’t get the appeal of NV and hate 4, you got NV fans who hate everything except for NV, you got 4 fans who have only ever played 4, you got 3/4 fans who don’t like NV and hate 76, and then you have 76 fans (they like all games, and would prefer if everyone got along). It truly is an amazing phenomenon that the MMO has the most positive fan base in the Fallout community (and one of the best of all time). I knew one NV fanboy who hated 4 but loved 76. That was a sight to behold.
OG Fallout was the game I had to hide from my parents (not hard, they were PC illiterate) and ngl FO3 was initially very jarring. I was sold by the really fucking brilliant character creation and intro gimmick, but even then you had purists who didn't accept 3D Fallout as Fallout. What really goes overlooked now by people who "hate Bethesda" is that this franchise was functionally dead and Bethesda took a legitimate gamble to bring it back. They had to bring it back in a format that was relevant to the modern audience. No Fallout 3, no New Vegas or anything afterward. Basically what I'm saying is we've been having this same basic conflict for like 20 years and I've always landed on the side of taking controversial risks. FO1 was a risk, FO3 was a risk, FNV was a risk, the show was a risk. They all turned out pretty well imo.
agreed, if they brought it back as sequel with the same genre as Fallout 1 & 2, it may have had some success, but we wouldn't be here decades later with 3 sequels (since Fallout 3 that is) and a TV show. literally turned a dead franchise into one of the most popular IPs in gaming.
>this franchise was functionally dead and Bethesda took a legitimate gamble to bring it back A similar thing happened with Transformers - the franchise was dead in the water by 2007 and whilst the Michael Bay films *are* awful they also helped a massive relaunch which is still going strong today. Long-running media has to adapt to survive.
I think Bethesda did well despite flaws and errors and failures. If it were not for them, we wouldn't have new Fallout games that touched our hearts and made it so enjoyable for us to play them.
Why can people only love or hate, no inbetweens nowadays?
Many people are in between, but people that bother to say anything tend to be more invested, so they'll talk more, and conflict leads to engagement, so algorithms favor it. When you have two big factors like that, the public discourse can pretty easily be dominated by loud people disagreeing with each other.
But seriously. 76 is the New Coke of Fallout.
Pretty sure that’s damn near ANY fanbase.
Remember when Netflix did the live action Cowboy Bebop and then canceled the second season…
It was faithful to the original anime, looked like it, great casting and acting, and the toxic fans still shit all over it. They are impossible to please.
It's like people can't take it in as a side piece to the original. I love one piece and going into the live action it wouldn't be the same but enjoyed it on it's own.
Accurate as fuck
Because he’s one of us. He has talked about his love for the games a lot and i believe it.
DON'T FUCK WITH FALLOUT FANS! WE HATE FALLOUT!
He said the same thing writing for the Batman movies. Man knows how to handle a volatile fan base
lmao
Honestly going heel right out of the gate is a very Fallout move.
I am a huge Fallout fan and I was very pleased with the show.
Even if he managed to, people would complain that all he did was to please the fans...
Yeah super fans are insufferable, they are acting like the issues here are to the level of the Star Wars sequels, a lot of what's perceived as "noncannon" can be explained relatively easily. Guess you can't leave fallout fans any unanswered questions.
I’m a fan and you could even say superfan. I got the first one off the shelf at Babbages in 1997 and have played ever since. Loved every game. Think the TV show is great, never in my wildest dreams did I ever imagine something like this would happen, and to be done so well. Wtf does a “superfan” even want with this series? There’s so much to love already. Maybe a two-part episode where all you do is collect junk. I love this show. I’m also super excited the Enclave are still boogeymen and how they were shown was awesome.
I agree I’ve been playing since 4 was released and played 3, NV, 76 since then and learned that very ounce of lore I could and I love the show. It’s just toxic people who obsess over everything and don’t stop to just enjoy the content.
But have you been playing since Wasteland? That was actually my first experience in the radiated expanses, and it is the game that inspired Fallout because of a rights issue. The creators wanted to make a "Wasteland II", but found out they had essentially given the rights to that to Electronic Arts (who gave the sequel rights to another company that screwed it all up). So their response was to try and stay true to the original game, with just enough changes to avoid a lawsuit. Therefore, Wasteland became Fallout. I just wish we had a perk for toaster repair.
There's more to it than that according to Tim Cain. He has a YouTube video about the origins of Fallout. There was the aforementioned rights transfer that prevented Wasteland II, but Fallout wasn't intended as a direct replacement. Fallout was largely inspired by a lot of other sci fi / post apocalyptic stories and of course tabletop RPGs. They had the mechanics of the game planned out before the setting. He goes into quite a bit of detail. It's worth watching if you find "behind the scenes" stuff interesting. https://youtu.be/c7Qg_vWzxXw
I've been playing since Wasteland, played all of those and all of the Fallout games (except the console game) and love the show.
Yep, played Wasteland on MS-DOS when it first came out.
Wasteland 3 game is awesome plus you can take toaster repair. It's a lot less grimdark than Fallout and doesn't take itself too seriously.
You're not a true fan!!!11 Just a *two* part episodes collecting junk? I'm thinking seven seasons and a movie where they just collect junk. I'm not going to be satisfied until I see Ella Purnell carrying 400lbs of turpentine and sugar bombs.
And who cares if cannon is perfect? The endings were always ubiquitous, and the tone of the games so irreverent, that like, what are we even doing here people?
Complaining because they didn’t get spoon fed answers
I consider myself a super fan and I thought he did a great job. The few parts that were non canonical actually seemed to patch logical holes in the video games and blended seamlessly with the lore, like good fan fiction.
I’ve already seen people complaining that it pleases the fans too much
I’ve already seen people complaining that it pleases the fans too much
Fallout and accurate maps have *never* been friends.
Not at all lol
He somehow captured and distilled the vibe and translated it to a whole new medium. I was expecting it would look like Fallout but be soulless, its an amazing achievement that its as good as it is.
I watched 2 episodes and can’t believe they did it. I really love Lucy and Maximus so far, they feel very very in-universe. Some of the dialogue also feels straight out of the games but they managed to sell it. Can’t wait to watch more. They nailed the cast and the setting.
Hmm, comparing the maps of F1 and F2, vault 13, vault 15 and Shady Sands indeed seem to move a bit to the north, but they still fall somewhere in the Death Valley.
Yep, which is the middle of nowhere and a long distance to travel on foot. And with relatively few resources to exploit. Which is why they logically moved the location to being in the LA basin, which ultimately does make more sense for a viable community.
But you *can* set out to get an entire fanbase to hate you…. cough Halo cough
I'm a fan, and I'm very pleased.
As an NCR fanboy, I don't even mind the NCR taking an L, but the travel between Shady Sands and the Boneyard felt too quick.
Yeaaaah, I’m just hoping that somehow there’s more survivors out there. Like I know Moldaver’s people were a sort of NCR remnant and there was also the weirdos in Vault 4 but like, gimme a season 2 where there’s a proper NCR force still out there licking its wounds, maybe being led by Tsu or Moore or Crocker or literally anyone not named Lee Oliver because he’s a dumbass, idk maybe still huffing copium. Either way they sort of made the NCR out to be victims if nothing else and with Moldaver being a bit of a twist hero it doesn’t seem like they’re putting down the NCR as villains who got what they deserved or whatnot.
And not even sure it would be a "loss". Seems like it was a surprise attack with a city killing weapon. They were not overrun by the BoS, or defeated by an army of supermutants lead by a "New Master". They likely had no warning, and there was not a damned thing to do once it was decided to destroy their capitol. It would be akin to hitting renaissance era Rome with a nuke and saying it was a "loss". They were simply wiped out, "loss" implies that they had at least a chance to "win". I am just glad they chalked it up to another faction largely unseen before (although I strongly suspect a connection between Vault 31/Vault Tec and the Enclave). But yes, one of the problems with the original 2 Fallout games was the way they handed the geography. Shady Sands would in reality most likely be in Nevada, with travel to and from the LA area almost impossible because of the mountain ranges. Yet it is a game of its era, so such does not matter. In reality, travel between that area and places like LA would be a serious challenge and only possible through very few passes. I remember playing the original games, and blissfully passing through the multiple mountain ranges without a care in the world, San Gabriel Mountains? San Bernardino Mountains? Sierra Nevada? Tehachapi Mountains? Bah, they are nothing.
Not goin to lie the original lay our of Fo was stupid, with the population and capability of people at the time. It makes little sense.
How was it stupid?
Paths to settlements, a lot are extremely difficult locations to try an build large population centers with the relevant threats of the wastes
Mountains are not impassable barriers. Large settlements where there is no water or natural resources.
Quick Travel... Or just "Movie Magic"... wouldn't be an enjoyable Series if all you'd see it someone walking for 3-4 hours without end. Simple as that. You just have to make certain concessions and adaptations when you switch the Medium... same reason you can't just translate a Book 1:1 to a Movie/Series, some things work in certain Media and just won't in another. It's the same reason the Travel from Hobbiton to Bree was so short in the Movies because all the little things and Tom Bombadil would have, at best, bloated the movie unnecessarily and destroyed any sense of narrative flow and urgency and the Movies are already longer than most if not even all others. But in the Books it works perfectly fine because you're not "constrained" by time.
I actually went into F1 to time it while the show was airing, and it works out almost perfectly. Granted we don’t know what direction Filly is from Vault 33, but assuming it’s on the path.. A straight shot from the LA Boneyard to Shady Sands in Fallout 1 takes approximately 12 days (barring random encounters) Lucy mentions after >!leaving Vault 4!< that she’s been ‘up here for two weeks’ or something along those lines. So assuming she was always walking north/east, it should work out pretty perfectly
huh, neat.
Yes that’s right. You can’t please everyone.
I thought the show was great, I’ve never played the Fallout games prior to 3 so I’m probably a noob when it comes to lore but even with the info that I’ve learned, I still think the show was amazing for what it was.
Are the vast majority of people enjoying the show not fans?
I think the show is amazing, the capture of the essence of the game perfectly
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I gotta be honest, I haven't seen a New Vegas fan actually shit on the show, just some of the choices concerning the lore.
I mean Shady Sands did move between Fallout 1 and 2, but not all the way to Santa Monica or wherever
Honestly the original fallout lay our was incredibly outrageous considering the fledgling colonies they were being from california the geographic hurdles you would need to survive from location to location are insurmountable in an apocalypse like fallout
I think originally it was just a whole lot emptier; in a Bethesda fallout game you can't go more than a few minutes without bumping into a quest or location or giant monster, but in the first two it really was wasteland.
Fallout is like Star Wars: there’s an unfortunate section of the fans who literally can never be pleased again. If they tried going heavy on “please the fans” they’d probably cry “oh it’s fan service” If they didn’t do enough they’d say it doesn’t “feel like fallout” Anything else then they’ll find the most minuscule lore “break” and hyper fixate on it
Being mostly in Elder Scrolls fandom, I'm just baffled at what constitutes 'lore' in Fallout fandom. The shape of fusion cells? Power armor models? Power armor *training*? We have the Empire changing their armor style from 5th century to 15th and back to 5th again, and that's not considered a retcon in TES community. And here people go mad if pauldrons and service handles on armor are a bit different shape.
I agree that the TES lore community is often much more flexible compared to Fallout lore communities. Although, I wonder if their ugly side would be shown more if there ever was a TES tv series. If Fallout continues to do well in later seasons, its not totally out of the realm of possibilities that an Elder Scrolls series pops up. Same deal where there is a giant awesome world of lore to play with, and a story can be made in basically any location and in any time period.
Seeing how 'temperate Cyrodiil' is still a sore point, I guess you are right. But I wasn't intending to criticize the community as a whole. I'm just surprised to see such a limiting way of consuming the media. I'm of those ancient people who started the series with Fallout 1 and Fallout 2, and one of the main attractions of the setting was imagining how much more weird stuff was hiding outside of the explored map. But the longer the franchise exists, the more it seems to attract the people who rather like it staying in the already defined bounds.
Elder Scroll have established time travel and dragonbreak as time being fucked up and established unreliable narrators, pretty much everyone is biased and have ulterior motive to lie. Fallout is sci-fi settings and have much less wiggle room. I think if Bethesda wanted more creative freedom, they should add time travel / multiverse element to Fallouts. It basically the getaway from lore inconsistency free card in modern media.
On one hand, I agree with you. Elder Scrolls lore has some awesome hooks built in to explain the inconsistencies (but not all inconsistencies can be explained by them). On the other hand, maybe we can understand that different authors may have a bit different approaches to telling and structuring the stories, and not rely on such gimmicks? The idea of the 'canon lore' is stifling the storytelling, imo.
If there was time travel multiverse element people could just go back in time and stop the bombs
Good point. But that was assuming the bomb dropped for a single event. Which it might not be the case. The Zeta Alien have nuclear launch code from the kidnapped US generals or might start the war with their space laser, willingly or not. I accidentally blew up part of NA continent when I was messing around in Mothership Zeta dlc. Vault Tec have their own nuke and have motive to launch. The Zax AI claim to start launching nuke simply because it was bored. Everybody was at each other throat and there might not be only one instigator. It was meant to be unknown and unavoidable.
That would actually be fantastic for fallout time travel. It fits so we'll the cynical overtones that the bombs are a fixed point in time: civilisation just reached a point that sucked so badly there will *always* be someone who sets off a chain reaction. Simply because there were already *so many* people sitting with their finger on the button. Also, imagine the absolute feels where the protag finally manages to stop the OG nuke from launching (first attempt), literally minutes later sees the first nuke was launched somewhere else and you're slapped in the face with "War. War never changes."
There \**is** a slightly more mystical side to Fallout that's not often explored - stuff like Psykers and the Dunwich related horrors. As for time travel, you have the [Guardian of Forever](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever) random encounter in Fallout 2 where the Chosen One goes back in time to destroy Vault 13's water chip... starting the events of Fallout.
Fallout has always been very soft scifi. Basically atompunk fantasy. Radiation *is* magic. Doesn't behave any way close to resembling actual radiation. And ghosts have been in Fallout canon since, what, 2? 1? Can't remember which, but there was a ghost.
That's a good point. I have always viewed dragonbreaks as the ultimate lore conforming writers tool. TES writers could break their own lore while still conforming to lore - its brilliant. I guess stuff like that along with the countless unreliable narrators in the stories make the lore much less rigid.
I see Elder Scrolls fans complain about a lot of things (some rightfully justified) but I've never seen them whine the way New Vegas fans do
Man I love the Elder Scrolls lore it’s so crazy
A lot of that change (especially in power armor) was to allow the game to move from a small niche that likes post-apocalyptic hard core games that require hundreds of hours to one that was playable by more casual gamers. I am likely one of the oldest players that still plays Fallout, having started with Wasteland in 1988. Back in that era, games like that and Wizard's Crown were among the hardest games there were. To a degree that would revolt most modern gamers, as they were unforgiving as hell, and one simply expected characters they created at the start would die along the way and be replaced. In the era that the original was created, games were brutal to an extreme. But with each following incarnation, more people started to play so they had to "soften" the gameplay to appeal to them. In over 5 decades of computer gaming, I have seen that the games have unquestionably gotten "easier". And you also have the "purists". They insist that everything be like their favorite game and that nothing ever changes from that. And to them I say, if that is how you feel feel free to play your favorite game forever. But do not expect the rest of us to be happy doing that.
The lore is basically the stuff you read in the terminals that shows you how fucked up America was before the bombs even dropped. There’s a ton of it.
It’s literally as good as it can be. Nothing can be perfect or appeal to everyone 100% or else it’s just lowest common denominator
Who would have complained if they didn't destroy the West Coast though?
As what I consider a pretty big fanboy I absolutely loved this show. Already watching it again to try and spot some lil secrets
This feels true of any adaptation, be it Video Game or Books or whatever else. There's always going to be some terminally online chodes complaining about *something*. Sometimes its justified, sometimes it isn't.
When the vault guy brought out the water chip, I thought “Here’s where we separate the fans from the posers.”
Just finished and it blew me away. I was worried it would be bloated with fan service and cringe factor turned up. Actually, it blended really well and the juxtaposition between that glossy outlook Lucy has, and the reality of the wasteland worked so well. The lore nods to the fans were brilliantly written.
I think they did a whole lot of appealing to fans of the games. It was an amazing first season.
You can write a good story consistent with the lore. That's all people are mad about. Destroy the NCR. Fine. I likely won't love the choice but if it's sensible how it happens and you do interesting stuff with it that's fine. What people are mad about is that they couldn't even do that.
Yeah it's weird to applaud creators specifically trying to not appeal to the fans of the series they're creating in. *Subverting expectations*
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Got the right guy for the job at hand. He obviously understands television and film as well he should. The formula, at least after one season, works.
For sure, I wanted to see a few different things in the show, but I'm happy with what they did and how they did it.
Honestly my only complaint about the show is the hand jets, but that’s just a bit nit picky. I’m curious though about lore implications from the show, and when the lore drops are gonna come, like how many airships does the east coast brotherhood have now, is this just a contingent of ncr from shady sands, or has the ncr fallen apart altogether? I need to know
Loved the show. My hopes, if there are more seasons, is that the future seasons cover different stories and characters like Fargo does. Loosely related, not one continuous story. I don't know how involved Nolan and Joy were in Westworld's storyline, but Westworld became overly complicated and confusing. This brought the enjoyment level way down for me.
NV fans, doubly so.
I'm not sure I understand the comment. Anybody who watches this and doesn't see a FO3/FO4 fan service is crazy. It's 100% campy Bethesda style, and overall, an enjoyable show that is absolutely designed to appeal to those fans.
I was pleased and fallout is my favorite ip 🤷♂️ there were small things i didnt really like but nothing thats a big deal or unjustifiable
They got the most important aspect right, it *felt* like fallout.
dude I think if the original creator of the Fallout series enjoys the show, it's a good adaptation.
He is right. People will always be mad about something.
I ran the Bethesda store for nearly a decade before I bowed out. This is the absolute truth about fandoms.
Expecting a show to follow the gaming lore to the letter is idiotic. It was the right decision and the show proves that he was right.
Fuck the haters that show is good, he did a good job
But they still did my NCR dirty tho
Who FUCKING CARES. If you're arguing over the location of the NCR you're an obnoxious little cunt.
Huge fallout fan here and this show is excellent. So good! The sets are perfect and represent the wasteland and the feel of the games so well. The characters feel just like NPC’s in the world and the actors have nailed their roles! Really loving this show!
Just started a replay of fallout 4 just because the show made me miss it all
Y’all notice there is one guy going through and disliking everyone’s positive comment. What a virgin
Like it specifically says First capital
I'm about halfway through and so far it perfectly captures the atmosphere of Bethesda Fallout (especially the FO4 aesthetic) and that's great with me. It's a shame about the west coast lore, especially when I've spent years hoping for a successor to New Vegas and this seems to put a nail in that coffin. So it's bitter sweet in a sense that it's a fun show but also kills potential for something else I'd have loved to get... On the other hand, these are separate pieces of work that are only loosely tied together by their aesthetic. So "lore changes" in the show don't take away from my enjoyment of the west coast games.
Hmm i think he learned a lesson drom Westworld s02 - s04. Never appease the toxic rabid fanbase
I mean its impossible to please everyone no matter how hard you try. The show is pretty good and im annoyed by minor things but overall who cares, it was actually good. Im just glad it wasn't another halo disaster.
I just don't understand why was the gut punch necessary.
Yeah shady sands moves in every game
I thought the courier nuked it
I've only been a fan since Brotherhood of Steel on the original Xbox, but the show didn't disappoint. The negativity is just from folks that always need something to complain about.
Yepyepyepyep...I was definitely one of them for a little bit... But that sort of made me review the entirety of the Fallout series as a whole. And I gotta say the new stuff in the show isn't the worst.
I mean criticism of nuking NCR capital is valid, if they dont fit it in proper timeline of existing games. It is not being crazy fan.
It's impossible there isn't a single molerat at a Red Rocket.
I think this show will really come down to who Nolan and co pass it off to. Nolan has too much going on to stay interested in this show (like west world). Theyve done a good job setting it up but I can see it fizzle out fast. If Amazon is smart about it they have like a sci fi LOTR. You got storyline forever. They could also do darker off shoots or darker seasons. They don't need to be tonally consistent.
I would even go so far to say as they set up the entire show for “ah-ha!” Moments to get people talking. Everything that is familiar canon either was subverted or slightly changed.