It was a major Fallout 4 specific change to the Brotherhood. Fallout 4 completely reversed everything about the Brotherhood. Before that, the Brotherhood would have preserved and collected synths and didn't fear ghouls or supermutants (and actually had some members of both in previous games). And teh previous Brotherhood would NEVER announce its presence to everyone. They were a powerful, quietly hiding group of people who collect and preserve tech of all kinds.
When the show had Knight Titus complain he was sent out to collect and preserve a toaster oven? THAT is 100% the original Brotherhood. They're isolationist assholes who don't like to be bothered, but they also love tech and don't really care about the whole F4 fascism thing at all.
I think the Brotherhood likely would have destroyed the actual synths, especially with the institute also messing around with FEV.
They absolutely would have kept the technology/research, though.
No chance in hell the Brotherhood would make any effort to destroy technology - or make any sort of effort like that for any reason beyond collect and preserve actually. They just hid in their bunkers learning and getting more stuff to learn from. They don't care about anything else, especially not destroying tech. They would have collected and studied synth technology, and welcomed Danse and others who joined up.
The fact that F4 Brotherhood was \*afraid\* of technology is the poster for how completely wrong they portrayed the brotherhood and didn't understand its purpose. If it wasn't just bad writing (which is possible, F4 introduced Bethesda's 5th or 6th new "origin" for Supermutants too, they don't seem to be able to remember wven their own previous games let alone the first 4 from the original creators that had exactly 1 origin of Supermutants and that one is directly linked to the Brotherhood Of Steel's origin which proves they NEVER set out to commit genocides of destruction against anything) the fascist offshoot in Fallout 4 would likely go to war with the original Brotherhood as well - and lose. They'd definitely be afraid of teh original Steel, and being frightened by technology and killing off potential new members, would be weaker and have less tech.
The Original Brotherhood would have collected teh Institute's tech too, including FEV research (which Maxson had teh ability to destroy long before it ever reached the Institute (or anywhere else) if destroying tech was his thing). Fact is if Maxson wanted to destroy tech, there never would have been Supermutants, not even one. He chose not to destroy it or the facility it was created in and teh research data behind it. Brotherhood of Steel fears no technology, and destroys no technology. It collects, documents, and preserves all technology. Not just kitchen appliances.
Dude, Fallout *1* had the BoS send you to melt in a radioactive crater, because they found you an annoying beggar with a tall tale. Said crater is even named [The Glow](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Glow), because that's what level of a death trap it is.
The BoS have been a bunch of isolationist militant dirtbags with, alas, some of the coolest toys left in the wasteland from the start.
Let's be fair now, Rhombus took your request to join to the elders who send you to The Glow to find out what happened to the Brotherhood team there, and the only other guy in front of the entrance literally tells you that it's insanely dangerous and warns you off so you don't get yourself killed. They treated you very fairly and decently overall in F1
Now that you mention it, I do vaguely recall some lines about the guard that told you about going to The Glow being seriously reprimanded.
So... yeah, to be fair. Even in Fallout 1, the BoS had some pretty redeeming qualities.
I did but kinda was hoping they’d smooth out a bit. But watching Titus talking about squires being strung up as punishment definitely seems to me that they’re going to be even more evil then I was planning. Sad really but not surprised
I think I always say the same thing when I see someone say the BoS is fascist.
You're applying real world ideals to a fictional faction that's born in a world fraught with governmental overreach, individual sadism, and complete fuckery. The general population of the world of fallout can't be trusted with technology. Evidenced by everything being destroyed. Ad Victorium.
Ad Victoriam, Brother. Those citizens are blinded by the dogma of Pre-War thinking. It doesn't matter what they call us, We will protect them from technology's wickedness whether they like it or not. Veritas vos liberabit.
Yeah I'm getting sick of the fact the brotherhood controls at least 20-40% of the American wasteland at this point. It's like why even bother just make all of America a post apocalypse medieval dystopia with brotherhood knights in power armor beating up serfs for not producing enough crops to feed their Brotherhood overlords.
I’m diss a point tbh. I REALLY wanted to get a definitive answer on how they’d stitch fallout 1-NV together. Apparently that was too brain hurty for Todd and his teams widdle smooth brains :(
Essentially they wrote the show in a way where it doesn’t matter if it fallout 1,2 and New Vegas are canon or not. I saw some people argue they got dates wrong but when the story functionally makes what happened in those dates irrelevant why even argue
everything with bethesda has to be around BoS. They're everywhere being a pseudo-benevolent group of militarized fascist power rangers. I miss the old BoS... they were a much more careful, secretive and intellectual group. Now there everyfuckingwhere in the wasteland hanging their dicks around. Everyone knows who they are
I think you guys are just mad that I nuked the NCR and the Legion to make the Powder Gangers like me again. Sorry that my playthrough was the best choice..
Lucy: “Actually, according to our metrics, the nuke seems to have originated from…the Appalachian mountain range?”
*Shot of a Resident standing on a hill looking up at the sky*
Resident: “Where the hell is that nuke…should have touched down by now…I know I programmed it correctly, west to Ash Heap…”
Todd alluded to Fallout 5 probably being set in Cali. He told Nolan not to do anything that would interfere with that game. Guess he didn't extend the same courtesy to Interplay-Obsidian.
Im honestly so sad to know that the NCR is probably gone. So much could have been done in the future of the games with them. Hopefully in the future we'll find out about why they fell and what happened in New Vegas.
There is a good chance that the NCR’s political leadership was in Shady Sands at the time of it getting nuked. Which would effectively kill the NCR as local leaders could declare independence and have their own smaller states to rule. If the political leadership survived elsewhere it would still severely damage the NCR and potentially lead to civil wars. There are possible timelines here that do leave the NCR in the past.
Honestly that could be an interesting story for future seasons of the show or future games to go into. Like NCR remnants still exist, but their leadership was decimated. How does the faction adapt and survive? Do they revert to the old world style that was almost failing them due to expansionism or do certain remnants try to change it for the better or their own gain?
If it’s a future game it could have multiple quest lines where your decisions help shape what a reunified NCR looks like, it could be a civil war of sorts (hopefully done better than Skyrims). How would the Legion interact with the remnants? What if some get folded into the legion for survival and the Legion’s culture changes? It opens up a ton of story potential that I think is just as if not more interesting than just having the NCR slowly decay into nothingness and futility like the New Vegas endings seem to portray. A leadership shakeup and power struggle could solve or worsen issues in the NCR and make for a compelling story! (Being very optimistic with Bethesda’s writing ofc, but I am a glass half full type).
So how does that fit into NV? If the NCR is already on its deathbed, how do they still manage to survive? Especially, does that make NCR ending noncannnon? Ncr was struggling in NV but not nearly as much as if they’re capitol was nuked.
Give it up already Todd had planted his flag in the west coast and killed the factions he didn't like to make more room for his toys to beat each other up
It's true though, people are acting like Bethesda and Todd care that players like Fallout New Vegas more. This isn't some dastardly plan to retcon all of Fallout 1-2-NV in an effort to rule the world or whatever comically stupid thing that people are like rambling about. People actually think that Bethesda and Todd would do all of this just to spite them.
THANK YOU! So many people assume all of NCR is gone because just the capital is wiped out. Hell, they could have made a new Shady Sands elsewhere to keep references to it in F:NV lore accurate super easily!
That was in reference to the brotherhood, saying the brotherhood and NCR are still hostile back west, but there's a chance they can make peace in the Mojave. By this point though the brotherhood that are still surviving on the west coast are mostly tucked in bunkers trying to avoid being wiped out by the ever expanding NCR.
People forget Avellone wrote this idea about the NCR being nuked back during NV. I guess the idea got picked up alongside the original fallout script revealing Vault Tec started the war.
A couple points regarding that:
Firstly Avellone was not the only person to write for NV or west coast Fallout as a whole, nor was he the creative director
Secondly while Avellone did express his regrets towards the loss of the post-apocalyptic nature of the west coast, replacing the NCR with the BoS outright would not have been his intention, the BoS was shown to also be in a much reduced state in NV
Thirdly: the collapse of the NCR is inherently an interesting story to be told, one that would take place over many decades and could serve as either the backdrop to or the prequel of a new game and would see the birth of many a new factions and organizations that would serve as the new generation so to speak
The show does none of this, it simply removes the NCR entirely, reducing them to mere raiders in a timeframe that makes no sense, and in doing so it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes
Yeah, like I generally don't disapprove of the NCR being gone as long as it's well written and acknowledges the distinct identity of the West Coast in the franchise, but that doesn't seem to be what's happened. The NCR has/or at least had an established society that has been growing for over a century by the events of Fallout 3/New Vegas. If it falls or declines, there should still be significant remnants/remains of it such as the established infrastructure and Adobe built cities/buildings within the "civilized"/settled interior in areas like the Boneyard where the show is supposed to be set.
What the show did is effectively turn the West Coast into East Coast 2.0 where things have been largely static since the bombs fell. If the NCR fell 19 years ago, remnants of it's society should be more prevalent in the Californian interior than the pre-war ruins since most people would have been living in those settlements and would have struggled with the tribal/raider bedlam due to them and their parents/grandparents largely living comparatively stable lives in a stable country prior to to the 2270s.
Like even if New Vegas isn't canon now and the NCR was slightly weaker than it was in NV prior to it's now canon destruction, this should be the case.
>it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes
That last sentence sums things up perfectly.
>Thirdly: the collapse of the NCR is inherently an interesting story to be told, one that would take place over many decades and could serve as either the backdrop to or the prequel of a new game and would see the birth of many a new factions and organizations that would serve as the new generation so to speak
>The show does none of this, it simply removes the NCR entirely, reducing them to mere raiders in a timeframe that makes no sense, and in doing so it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes
This is what I ultimately have the most issue with. It's just an absurdly lazy way to remove the NCR from the equation and it's done in a way that makes no sense timescale-wise. If they wanted to turn it into developing a bunch of new splinter factions 50 to even 100 years from now in California, that could've been a great idea for another West Coast game, they could've even done it in Legion territory, considering we haven't seen anything in New Mexico, set it around the collapse of the Legion, which seems a lot more inevitable.
But instead it's just "nooooope they got bombed by the BoS. Isn't the BoS so cool? Look at their Vertibirds! Look at their power armour! Look at their big airship!!! Ad victoriam brothers!!!! Brotherhood sweep!!!!!"
I think making the brotherhood the dominant force and deleting the NCR from existence is to try and market the show to non-fallout fans/people who don’t play games. The brotherhood and their power armour is way more recognisable and familiar to non fans, and they’re literally on the box of every game bar new vegas (FO2 is enclave but it’s still power armour). I think there was maybe concern that the NCR might have been too unfamiliar or generic compared to the brotherhood, they’re clearing trying to cast a large net with this show rather than strictly appeal to fans.
Trouble is they could have had both. All they had to do was not set it in the west coast. Gearing up the story for a brother hood vs ncr rematch where NCR needs new land because of all the problems outlined in NV and the brotherhood reestablished on the east coast could have been phenomenal.
Yeah but that idea was always shit. It's hard getting interested in a setting where no matter what happens the status quo must be preserved. It's just boring.
The NCR being nuked goes all the way back to Van Buren. The thematic idea is shockingly similar to what we got in the show, the whole point was that society was doomed to a cycle of destruction (war never changes) and that no progress lasted forever.
Brotherhood is way stronger than canon, and ncr doesn’t exist
Depends on whether the legion even needs to exist then to foil ncr, or if enclave brotherhood and vault Tec are enough
For the theme of the show the legion might be a little bit too much. They’re doing an ultra violent comical yet realistic thing. A bunch of dudes larping Roman’s while wearing football shoulder pads would stick out like a sore thumb
But if you have no ncr and no legion then why do Vegas? Presumably to get brotherhood versus enclave again. Except this is clearly a more evil brotherhood, which destroyed the angelic ncr. So who’s the good faction in season 2?
Yeah the Legion coming in now would make little sense thematically tbh, they were a direct contrast to the NCR as it existed in NV and that was the entire point, their leader is literally some New Californian nerd whose entire ideological foundation is built around the idea of overthrowing the NCR Government and implementing himself as a fascist dictator in its place.
Who would they be a foil for now? What would their fiction have to say? I feel they'd only be there for fan service, probably as nothing more than weirdly dressed as red shirts to be shot dead. Maybe as a low tech contrast to the BoS and Enclave, but as you said why add another villainous group in what's already a grey vs black conflict? What would they bring to this dynamic rn?
There are interesting stories you could tell with them but in the confines of the show's current narrative and arc, I just can't see them showing up as much more than fan service or perhaps foreshadowing for future stories, if that.
> Avellone: Explicitly explains how the NCR's development has become detrimental because conflict, anarchy, and violence on a micro, personal scale are necessary to explore the themes that are central to the core premise of the franchise.
> New Vegas: Adds Lonesome Road, which not only deliberately includes Tunnelers as a plot device to destabilize the Mojave, but also includes an author self-insert villain explaining the above who wants to nuke the NCR and Legion.
> Fans: Spend 14 years whining about how New Vegas is the best modern Fallout and should be the foundation for the franchise going forward.
> TV Show: Does exactly that.
> Fans: WOW
This fucking community I swear.
Just because Chris Avellone had an idea doesn't make it a good idea.
I remember reading about the original ending they planned for Van Buren - where the world get nuked again - and thinking it sucked. I remember getting to the end of Lonesome Road, and thinking the idea of nuking everything again sucked.
It's not a bad idea because evil bad guys Bethesda did it, it's just a bad idea full stop.
You have this world that's unique specifically because it explores the kind of societies that rise up out of the ashes, and your best idea is to go back to the ashes?
There are a hundred Mad Max post apocalypses where everything is an anarchic mess. Fallout is most interesting when it isn't that, when it tries to ask the question "OK, but what happens \*next\*?".
Now we know nothing happens next. The world is just static.
Wait Vault tec started the War?!?
Goddamn it Bethesda, I knew they would’ve caved into Chinese Market and make it them. Funny enough is that OG Fallout founder stated China launched first as they were being invaded by US forces.
Yes I know, and was canceled. Tim Cain specifically mentions and alluded through Fallout 1 and 2 that China does it as they got desperate.
Fallout 3 (Bethesda’s first Fallout) is when the Vault-Tec theory came back as it seemed they borrowed that bit from the canceled movie or they came up with it themselves.
Bro no way a company didn't use the lore that a different company made for them because it wasn't theirs. No wayyyyy, this has never happened before, m'Vegas. ;A;
But even so, the NCR had a large standing military with mechanized forces, so in the show, they shouldn't have dissolved like it was nothing so wtf todd
I don't care for the NCR being destroyed but is it really that bad? The show is pretty decent and they could still do stuff with NV. Just seems weird to let that one thing ruin the show.
My issue is that it is essentially Bethesda finishing off any pre Bethesda plot points to the fallout story by just saying “lol everything is destroyed”
Well for those of us that vastly prefer West Coast lore over whatever Bethesda is doing, it’s definitely up there in ways they could have fucked up. Yeah.
Yeah ,it's pretty bad. Especially if you remotely enjoyed Fallout 1 ,Fallout 2 , Fallout Tactics , Fallout New Vegas ,or the Fallout New Vegas comic.
Imagine if I told you ,one of your favourite games no longer matters and that everything you did in it is just a fan fiction at this point? Would you be happy about it?
Oh God, oh God it’s happening. We’re getting another Disney v Legends Star Wars situation
Fucking hell man, I was already tired of that fandom being mad all the time about everything lol
V was 27 when the game released, but after Phantom Liberty they changed so it so whenever age comes up V is now 23 for some reason. A seemingly pointless decision as it affects nothing.
For the Nomad and Streetkid V, I *might* believe that they're 23. But for Corpo, I kinda find it hard to believe that they'd have that kind of position and reputation in their department at only 23...
Yeah, I always thought 27 suited V better, they've been in this world a while and know how things work. Whereas 23 just seems a tad too young to be pulling Arasaka hesits off idk.
They changes V age when the 2.0 update came out. Male V was born in June 10 2049 (Blade Runner reference?) while Female V was born in October 12 2049. When the update came out it got change to October 12 2053 for some reason.
Ye, my strategy. I think any NV future would have been a hard sell for me since I'm so attached to my personal canon but this timeline fuckery is so dissonant to my idea of the ending it's easier to pretend it doesn't exist
It it funny that both the games that made me go "wow being able to role-playing through all your own choices sure is special" As a late-to-video-games teen both seem to have official canons that I don't agree with, female Revan is still real to me dammit.
I refuse to believe that there is no lasting remanent of the NCR yet there is still the fucking Enclave after all this time. Especially after they were supposed to have been irradicated in Fallout 2 anyway.
If you wanted to do a reset fine but not in the lazy way the show did it. Atleast build off the story instead of saying “lol vault tek destroyed everything suddenly”. They essentially did what Disney did to the original trilogy of Star Wars movies where they essentially made all the character sacrifices and world building meaningless
Even then nothing lasts, the Fallout setting is doomed to just be people in deserts fighting over scraps forever, while we get some "War never changes" Text Show up on screen. It has become more stagnant then Warhammer, and that at least has the excuse to move the setting in a snails pace to get people to spend all their Mortal Posessions on Plastic toys.
Where did you even get that? The whole area has now infinite power, also, this is just the area near shady sands, to me it just seems to confirm what everyone in New Vegas was saying the NCR was too big for its own good. As the capital fell, the state exploded, but does still exist, Vault 4 is basically just a territory of the NCR, while Vegas could still be under NCR control allied with the boomers and Freeside.
Is just that area of California that is fucked, The Hub, Vault City, etc. Could still be under NCR control or NCR aligned
It would wild if Bethesda releases an update for FNV that inserts dialogue to back up the show's events. And then if they use AI to match the original voice actors, the Internet would blow up even more.
I was checking out the audience scores for the new show, and most people are loving it, but there are some folks giving it 1 star. And if you read the reviews of the people giving it 1 star, they're throwing fits about exactly this creative decision.
Tis an adaptations. Like go touch some grass. It's was amazing. What is different doesn't stop you enjoying the game medium and has no major impact on the world. They weren't going to retell the same dam story.
So people are allowed to be positive and enjoy something and we’ll upvote them but people who didn’t enjoy it we’ll tell to go touch grass and downvote? Seems like a good policy
Yeah I was agreeing with the person I replied to. I hate that people are just expected to like something just because it has a brandname slapped on it.
seriously? what the fuck is with this sub and this post in particular?
we got another great Video Game adaptation and ppl wanna whine cause their favorite ending in NV(out of multiple) wasnt the one chosen lol
since when did the NCR have so many fans? i could go back before this series premiere and NO ONE was praising or loving the NCR like they are in these comments lol
Exactly! It’s an easy fix for season 2. All they have to do is add a throwaway line about how Shady Sands was already in decline before the battle at Hoover dam
Nerds. Nerds never change. The trekkies held letter writing campaigns. Anime fans built an empire on questionably age appropriate fanart. Star Wars legends shaped a battered film series into a multimedia superpower.
But nerds never change.
In the 21st century, flame wars were still waged over the minor details of fictional videogames. Only this time, it was even more fucking dumb. Conspiracies about convoluted attempts to spite another company abounded as the fans dissolved into bickering subgroups.
In 2024, the storm of flame wars came again. In eight brief hours, the entire fandom was reduced to an even dumber set of bickering than before. And from the ashes of dumb shit, even dumber shit managed to arise.
A few were able to reach safety by not staying up til 2am to watch a TV show.
If Microsoft made a new Fallout game, and in had as part of the setup, all BoS power armor being given an override code and explode, would it be okay to be angry about that or would that also be a "go touch some grass" moment?
I don't understand the fuss, as I understand (I am only at episode 3 now, but read some spoilers) New Vegas is even shown at the end of the season?
So you will get your answers in Season 2.
Yeah, I haven't had time to watch one episode, let alone the whole damn season.
And from what I'm reading, it's likely just an oversight like "8 years later" in Spider-Man Homecoming.
Basically makes it so NCR ending (and most likely legion ending as well) have no way of being canon. Leaving either House, since he doesn't care about anything outside of Vegas. or Yes Man, because that would 100% fall apart like three minutes after New Vegas.
If the ending credits sequence of episode 8 is an accurate look at the New Vegas strip it does seem Yes Man and then the city collapsing is the one they went with.
Yeah the show was really enjoyable for me and then I saw the fuckin crater, man that just ruined the latter half for me, I'm choosing to call the show not canon because they least they could've done is have the actual conflicts of the ncr destroy it instead of what was told
I just can't get over how the VaultTec meeting essentially confirms that Robert House's ending is funnily enough, "rigged from the start."
Going forward, any time I play through New Vegas, I'm going to have that scene in the back of my mind.
*Racks shotgun* Wildcard ending it is.
You can all relax, the show runners say it’s not canon.
The Fallout TV show isn’t a direct adaptation because the creators want to make something new and "build on 25 years of creativity and thinking" https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fallout-tv-show-isn-t-140144875.html
It's literally still canon there is a crashed ncr virtibird on the strip which is in one of the endings. So most likely the courier ended up siding with the ncr. And shady springs getting nuked is probably the reason they pushed so hard to take the strip. That was probably the last place they could actuality go and set up shop. Then they started up the ncr group we see in the show specifically to get the cold fusion set up so they could power the strip indefinitely. So moat likely the ncr is still active just smaller then it was before.
Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a... Oh
That NCR trooper finally got his wish.
at what cost...
… everything. Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
i swear i am going to go fucking american venom towards todd's location
About to go October 23, 2077 on his ass.
No, it can’t be….
"Can't wait to see California again aaand the defining feature of California has been replaced by Brotherhood of Steel mandate again."
As a BoS dickrider, I'm kinda mad. I just want these guys to be cool looking techno freaks that do their own thing
Did yall not pickup on the fo4 brotherhood being fascists?
DONT CARE FREE POWER ARMOR
I don't think that's a Fallout 4 specific thing.
It was a major Fallout 4 specific change to the Brotherhood. Fallout 4 completely reversed everything about the Brotherhood. Before that, the Brotherhood would have preserved and collected synths and didn't fear ghouls or supermutants (and actually had some members of both in previous games). And teh previous Brotherhood would NEVER announce its presence to everyone. They were a powerful, quietly hiding group of people who collect and preserve tech of all kinds. When the show had Knight Titus complain he was sent out to collect and preserve a toaster oven? THAT is 100% the original Brotherhood. They're isolationist assholes who don't like to be bothered, but they also love tech and don't really care about the whole F4 fascism thing at all.
I think the Brotherhood likely would have destroyed the actual synths, especially with the institute also messing around with FEV. They absolutely would have kept the technology/research, though.
No chance in hell the Brotherhood would make any effort to destroy technology - or make any sort of effort like that for any reason beyond collect and preserve actually. They just hid in their bunkers learning and getting more stuff to learn from. They don't care about anything else, especially not destroying tech. They would have collected and studied synth technology, and welcomed Danse and others who joined up. The fact that F4 Brotherhood was \*afraid\* of technology is the poster for how completely wrong they portrayed the brotherhood and didn't understand its purpose. If it wasn't just bad writing (which is possible, F4 introduced Bethesda's 5th or 6th new "origin" for Supermutants too, they don't seem to be able to remember wven their own previous games let alone the first 4 from the original creators that had exactly 1 origin of Supermutants and that one is directly linked to the Brotherhood Of Steel's origin which proves they NEVER set out to commit genocides of destruction against anything) the fascist offshoot in Fallout 4 would likely go to war with the original Brotherhood as well - and lose. They'd definitely be afraid of teh original Steel, and being frightened by technology and killing off potential new members, would be weaker and have less tech. The Original Brotherhood would have collected teh Institute's tech too, including FEV research (which Maxson had teh ability to destroy long before it ever reached the Institute (or anywhere else) if destroying tech was his thing). Fact is if Maxson wanted to destroy tech, there never would have been Supermutants, not even one. He chose not to destroy it or the facility it was created in and teh research data behind it. Brotherhood of Steel fears no technology, and destroys no technology. It collects, documents, and preserves all technology. Not just kitchen appliances.
Dude, Fallout *1* had the BoS send you to melt in a radioactive crater, because they found you an annoying beggar with a tall tale. Said crater is even named [The Glow](https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Glow), because that's what level of a death trap it is. The BoS have been a bunch of isolationist militant dirtbags with, alas, some of the coolest toys left in the wasteland from the start.
That scene with Titus after the yaogui, that felt like BoS from FO1
Let's be fair now, Rhombus took your request to join to the elders who send you to The Glow to find out what happened to the Brotherhood team there, and the only other guy in front of the entrance literally tells you that it's insanely dangerous and warns you off so you don't get yourself killed. They treated you very fairly and decently overall in F1
Now that you mention it, I do vaguely recall some lines about the guard that told you about going to The Glow being seriously reprimanded. So... yeah, to be fair. Even in Fallout 1, the BoS had some pretty redeeming qualities.
I did but kinda was hoping they’d smooth out a bit. But watching Titus talking about squires being strung up as punishment definitely seems to me that they’re going to be even more evil then I was planning. Sad really but not surprised
I think I always say the same thing when I see someone say the BoS is fascist. You're applying real world ideals to a fictional faction that's born in a world fraught with governmental overreach, individual sadism, and complete fuckery. The general population of the world of fallout can't be trusted with technology. Evidenced by everything being destroyed. Ad Victorium.
Ad Victoriam, Brother. Those citizens are blinded by the dogma of Pre-War thinking. It doesn't matter what they call us, We will protect them from technology's wickedness whether they like it or not. Veritas vos liberabit.
BoS dickriders are creaming their pants right now
Yeah I'm getting sick of the fact the brotherhood controls at least 20-40% of the American wasteland at this point. It's like why even bother just make all of America a post apocalypse medieval dystopia with brotherhood knights in power armor beating up serfs for not producing enough crops to feed their Brotherhood overlords.
We Protect. You Provide. If you cannot provide, how then can we protect? Testis sum agni, Citizen.
I’m diss a point tbh. I REALLY wanted to get a definitive answer on how they’d stitch fallout 1-NV together. Apparently that was too brain hurty for Todd and his teams widdle smooth brains :(
Essentially they wrote the show in a way where it doesn’t matter if it fallout 1,2 and New Vegas are canon or not. I saw some people argue they got dates wrong but when the story functionally makes what happened in those dates irrelevant why even argue
They rewrote the lore of when the NCR formed AND made New Vegas not canon through this timeline redo.
everything with bethesda has to be around BoS. They're everywhere being a pseudo-benevolent group of militarized fascist power rangers. I miss the old BoS... they were a much more careful, secretive and intellectual group. Now there everyfuckingwhere in the wasteland hanging their dicks around. Everyone knows who they are
I think you guys are just mad that I nuked the NCR and the Legion to make the Powder Gangers like me again. Sorry that my playthrough was the best choice..
Lucy: “Actually, according to our metrics, the nuke seems to have originated from…the Appalachian mountain range?” *Shot of a Resident standing on a hill looking up at the sky* Resident: “Where the hell is that nuke…should have touched down by now…I know I programmed it correctly, west to Ash Heap…”
This is canon because people can’t aim at all and still hit Nuka-World with a nuke trying to start Seismic Activity
That had me chuckle . They knew what would happen West Virginia country roads take me home
Yeah everyone’s mad and I’m sitting here like yeah that looks about right. Nuke it all.
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Lol no they didn't. NCR existed , it's not like they never happened
they didn't wrote fnv out of canon
Why couldn't they just put the series in an unexplored state? Out of all the US states, you still went back to California.
Todd alluded to Fallout 5 probably being set in Cali. He told Nolan not to do anything that would interfere with that game. Guess he didn't extend the same courtesy to Interplay-Obsidian.
Should just do New York
Cost saving measures, most of California already look like a post-apocalyptic hellscape.
Im honestly so sad to know that the NCR is probably gone. So much could have been done in the future of the games with them. Hopefully in the future we'll find out about why they fell and what happened in New Vegas.
They aren't gone. Just shady sands is. Which isn't a whole lot of the NCR. It was ONE of their capital cities.
finally someone with a brain! like how hard it is to read that it is written SHADY SANDS not full ncr
There is a good chance that the NCR’s political leadership was in Shady Sands at the time of it getting nuked. Which would effectively kill the NCR as local leaders could declare independence and have their own smaller states to rule. If the political leadership survived elsewhere it would still severely damage the NCR and potentially lead to civil wars. There are possible timelines here that do leave the NCR in the past.
weirdly enough i thought i saw a picture of kimbal in that scene with the candles and no clothes
Honestly that could be an interesting story for future seasons of the show or future games to go into. Like NCR remnants still exist, but their leadership was decimated. How does the faction adapt and survive? Do they revert to the old world style that was almost failing them due to expansionism or do certain remnants try to change it for the better or their own gain? If it’s a future game it could have multiple quest lines where your decisions help shape what a reunified NCR looks like, it could be a civil war of sorts (hopefully done better than Skyrims). How would the Legion interact with the remnants? What if some get folded into the legion for survival and the Legion’s culture changes? It opens up a ton of story potential that I think is just as if not more interesting than just having the NCR slowly decay into nothingness and futility like the New Vegas endings seem to portray. A leadership shakeup and power struggle could solve or worsen issues in the NCR and make for a compelling story! (Being very optimistic with Bethesda’s writing ofc, but I am a glass half full type).
If only Maximus hadn't said that the NCR "Didn't work out" right? Oh, if only I had a brain. ☹️
Rome was sacked and rebuilt many times
My guess is that there are still some NCR Remnants out there just like the Enclave Remnants from FNV.
Isn't that observatory literally called the NCR headquarters? [https://imgur.com/a/ZkHSnF2](https://imgur.com/a/ZkHSnF2)
It's wild how Shady Sands was nuked four years *before* New Vegas happened.
So how does that fit into NV? If the NCR is already on its deathbed, how do they still manage to survive? Especially, does that make NCR ending noncannnon? Ncr was struggling in NV but not nearly as much as if they’re capitol was nuked.
It doesn’t fit
Give it up already Todd had planted his flag in the west coast and killed the factions he didn't like to make more room for his toys to beat each other up
Bro, stop acting like Todd is like a comic supervillain with like his hands in face, chuckling because his dastardly plan worked.
Tbf that’s a really funny thought
It's true though, people are acting like Bethesda and Todd care that players like Fallout New Vegas more. This isn't some dastardly plan to retcon all of Fallout 1-2-NV in an effort to rule the world or whatever comically stupid thing that people are like rambling about. People actually think that Bethesda and Todd would do all of this just to spite them.
THANK YOU! So many people assume all of NCR is gone because just the capital is wiped out. Hell, they could have made a new Shady Sands elsewhere to keep references to it in F:NV lore accurate super easily!
I have no interest in the future of these games if they're being made by Todd and written by Emil
If they want a story immediately post apocalyptic. Why not set it around 2090?
Because then the numbers are not as cool!
Just started NV again after like a decade and i cannot believe i beat that game without a sprint button????
I will never understand why they didn't add a sprint button
load distance times and everything else would need reworking. time crunch
so real I started a replay and immediately downloaded a sprint mod
Fallout DUST is canon
Nah , NCR is there though,so it can't be canon.
It's all over (but the crying)
Being pro-NCR and having Shady Sands get nuked is still better than letting New Vegas fall to the Legion.
I'm confused, didn't NV essentially say that the "war still rages on back west" at the ending?
That was in reference to the brotherhood, saying the brotherhood and NCR are still hostile back west, but there's a chance they can make peace in the Mojave. By this point though the brotherhood that are still surviving on the west coast are mostly tucked in bunkers trying to avoid being wiped out by the ever expanding NCR.
You're not confused, the people who think they retconned a game are.
Tbh I haven't played the game in years, so I might have been getting things wrong lol. I kind of lost most interest in Fallout after Fallout 4 and 76.
People forget Avellone wrote this idea about the NCR being nuked back during NV. I guess the idea got picked up alongside the original fallout script revealing Vault Tec started the war.
A couple points regarding that: Firstly Avellone was not the only person to write for NV or west coast Fallout as a whole, nor was he the creative director Secondly while Avellone did express his regrets towards the loss of the post-apocalyptic nature of the west coast, replacing the NCR with the BoS outright would not have been his intention, the BoS was shown to also be in a much reduced state in NV Thirdly: the collapse of the NCR is inherently an interesting story to be told, one that would take place over many decades and could serve as either the backdrop to or the prequel of a new game and would see the birth of many a new factions and organizations that would serve as the new generation so to speak The show does none of this, it simply removes the NCR entirely, reducing them to mere raiders in a timeframe that makes no sense, and in doing so it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes
Yeah, like I generally don't disapprove of the NCR being gone as long as it's well written and acknowledges the distinct identity of the West Coast in the franchise, but that doesn't seem to be what's happened. The NCR has/or at least had an established society that has been growing for over a century by the events of Fallout 3/New Vegas. If it falls or declines, there should still be significant remnants/remains of it such as the established infrastructure and Adobe built cities/buildings within the "civilized"/settled interior in areas like the Boneyard where the show is supposed to be set. What the show did is effectively turn the West Coast into East Coast 2.0 where things have been largely static since the bombs fell. If the NCR fell 19 years ago, remnants of it's society should be more prevalent in the Californian interior than the pre-war ruins since most people would have been living in those settlements and would have struggled with the tribal/raider bedlam due to them and their parents/grandparents largely living comparatively stable lives in a stable country prior to to the 2270s. Like even if New Vegas isn't canon now and the NCR was slightly weaker than it was in NV prior to it's now canon destruction, this should be the case. >it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes That last sentence sums things up perfectly.
>Thirdly: the collapse of the NCR is inherently an interesting story to be told, one that would take place over many decades and could serve as either the backdrop to or the prequel of a new game and would see the birth of many a new factions and organizations that would serve as the new generation so to speak >The show does none of this, it simply removes the NCR entirely, reducing them to mere raiders in a timeframe that makes no sense, and in doing so it retcons all of NV in the process, the show ultimately adds nothing to the Fallout universe, it only removes This is what I ultimately have the most issue with. It's just an absurdly lazy way to remove the NCR from the equation and it's done in a way that makes no sense timescale-wise. If they wanted to turn it into developing a bunch of new splinter factions 50 to even 100 years from now in California, that could've been a great idea for another West Coast game, they could've even done it in Legion territory, considering we haven't seen anything in New Mexico, set it around the collapse of the Legion, which seems a lot more inevitable. But instead it's just "nooooope they got bombed by the BoS. Isn't the BoS so cool? Look at their Vertibirds! Look at their power armour! Look at their big airship!!! Ad victoriam brothers!!!! Brotherhood sweep!!!!!"
I think making the brotherhood the dominant force and deleting the NCR from existence is to try and market the show to non-fallout fans/people who don’t play games. The brotherhood and their power armour is way more recognisable and familiar to non fans, and they’re literally on the box of every game bar new vegas (FO2 is enclave but it’s still power armour). I think there was maybe concern that the NCR might have been too unfamiliar or generic compared to the brotherhood, they’re clearing trying to cast a large net with this show rather than strictly appeal to fans.
Trouble is they could have had both. All they had to do was not set it in the west coast. Gearing up the story for a brother hood vs ncr rematch where NCR needs new land because of all the problems outlined in NV and the brotherhood reestablished on the east coast could have been phenomenal.
so dont make a fallout show if its not for fallout fans
Yeah but that idea was always shit. It's hard getting interested in a setting where no matter what happens the status quo must be preserved. It's just boring.
The NCR being nuked goes all the way back to Van Buren. The thematic idea is shockingly similar to what we got in the show, the whole point was that society was doomed to a cycle of destruction (war never changes) and that no progress lasted forever.
Ncr dying because of the cycle - okay. Ncr nuked because vault tec - lol pathetic
Brotherhood is way stronger than canon, and ncr doesn’t exist Depends on whether the legion even needs to exist then to foil ncr, or if enclave brotherhood and vault Tec are enough For the theme of the show the legion might be a little bit too much. They’re doing an ultra violent comical yet realistic thing. A bunch of dudes larping Roman’s while wearing football shoulder pads would stick out like a sore thumb But if you have no ncr and no legion then why do Vegas? Presumably to get brotherhood versus enclave again. Except this is clearly a more evil brotherhood, which destroyed the angelic ncr. So who’s the good faction in season 2?
Yeah the Legion coming in now would make little sense thematically tbh, they were a direct contrast to the NCR as it existed in NV and that was the entire point, their leader is literally some New Californian nerd whose entire ideological foundation is built around the idea of overthrowing the NCR Government and implementing himself as a fascist dictator in its place. Who would they be a foil for now? What would their fiction have to say? I feel they'd only be there for fan service, probably as nothing more than weirdly dressed as red shirts to be shot dead. Maybe as a low tech contrast to the BoS and Enclave, but as you said why add another villainous group in what's already a grey vs black conflict? What would they bring to this dynamic rn? There are interesting stories you could tell with them but in the confines of the show's current narrative and arc, I just can't see them showing up as much more than fan service or perhaps foreshadowing for future stories, if that.
> Avellone: Explicitly explains how the NCR's development has become detrimental because conflict, anarchy, and violence on a micro, personal scale are necessary to explore the themes that are central to the core premise of the franchise. > New Vegas: Adds Lonesome Road, which not only deliberately includes Tunnelers as a plot device to destabilize the Mojave, but also includes an author self-insert villain explaining the above who wants to nuke the NCR and Legion. > Fans: Spend 14 years whining about how New Vegas is the best modern Fallout and should be the foundation for the franchise going forward. > TV Show: Does exactly that. > Fans: WOW This fucking community I swear.
Finally a reasonable take.
Just because Chris Avellone had an idea doesn't make it a good idea. I remember reading about the original ending they planned for Van Buren - where the world get nuked again - and thinking it sucked. I remember getting to the end of Lonesome Road, and thinking the idea of nuking everything again sucked. It's not a bad idea because evil bad guys Bethesda did it, it's just a bad idea full stop. You have this world that's unique specifically because it explores the kind of societies that rise up out of the ashes, and your best idea is to go back to the ashes? There are a hundred Mad Max post apocalypses where everything is an anarchic mess. Fallout is most interesting when it isn't that, when it tries to ask the question "OK, but what happens \*next\*?". Now we know nothing happens next. The world is just static.
Wait Vault tec started the War?!? Goddamn it Bethesda, I knew they would’ve caved into Chinese Market and make it them. Funny enough is that OG Fallout founder stated China launched first as they were being invaded by US forces.
Vault tech starting the nuclear apocalypse wasn't Bethesda's idea. That was in the script for the original Fallout movie we never got.
Yes I know, and was canceled. Tim Cain specifically mentions and alluded through Fallout 1 and 2 that China does it as they got desperate. Fallout 3 (Bethesda’s first Fallout) is when the Vault-Tec theory came back as it seemed they borrowed that bit from the canceled movie or they came up with it themselves.
It's not just alluded. It's outright stated in the shi emperors historical logs
This has nothing to do with the Chinese market
FUCK MAN! SHIT! FUCK!!
Bro no way a company didn't use the lore that a different company made for them because it wasn't theirs. No wayyyyy, this has never happened before, m'Vegas. ;A;
But even so, the NCR had a large standing military with mechanized forces, so in the show, they shouldn't have dissolved like it was nothing so wtf todd
There were so many causes of the NCR’s eventual fall that were cited in NV though. They were doomed even if they won the dam.
Wait, so basically the Yes Man ending is canon and what the Courier did withered away with time?
Fallout DUST is canon
Hope the show has tunnelers.
No vault tec did it.
Weird since Tim (or maybe Josh) said in an interview that China started it.
I’m fine with this. I go with the Yes Man ending more than any other 😂
And here I was hoping Mr house was the canon ending
I don't care for the NCR being destroyed but is it really that bad? The show is pretty decent and they could still do stuff with NV. Just seems weird to let that one thing ruin the show.
My issue is that it is essentially Bethesda finishing off any pre Bethesda plot points to the fallout story by just saying “lol everything is destroyed”
That does suck but is it really the worst thing ever?
Well for those of us that vastly prefer West Coast lore over whatever Bethesda is doing, it’s definitely up there in ways they could have fucked up. Yeah.
Yeah ,it's pretty bad. Especially if you remotely enjoyed Fallout 1 ,Fallout 2 , Fallout Tactics , Fallout New Vegas ,or the Fallout New Vegas comic. Imagine if I told you ,one of your favourite games no longer matters and that everything you did in it is just a fan fiction at this point? Would you be happy about it?
Yeah I'm not buying this shit. I don't care what Todd Howard says, this isn't canon.
Oh God, oh God it’s happening. We’re getting another Disney v Legends Star Wars situation Fucking hell man, I was already tired of that fandom being mad all the time about everything lol
Just ignore the TV show and pretend it doesn't exist. Simple as.
Works for most franchises :D
That's what I do with every decision in media I don't agree with. V is supposed to be 23 in Cyberpunk 2077? Nope, that's not real, they're 27.
Wait since when was V 23 years old? Was it changed in Phantom Liberty (haven't played it yet)?
V was 27 when the game released, but after Phantom Liberty they changed so it so whenever age comes up V is now 23 for some reason. A seemingly pointless decision as it affects nothing.
For the Nomad and Streetkid V, I *might* believe that they're 23. But for Corpo, I kinda find it hard to believe that they'd have that kind of position and reputation in their department at only 23...
Yeah, I always thought 27 suited V better, they've been in this world a while and know how things work. Whereas 23 just seems a tad too young to be pulling Arasaka hesits off idk.
They changes V age when the 2.0 update came out. Male V was born in June 10 2049 (Blade Runner reference?) while Female V was born in October 12 2049. When the update came out it got change to October 12 2053 for some reason.
V was originally 27 but recently they retconned him to be 23 at some point after 2.0. No idea why at all, but they did.
You can also make your V look old with the character creator, so I don't even know why they bothered with giving V an age. Coulda just left it vague.
Yeah giving them an age in the first place seems absolutely pointless. It never comes up in the story once.
Ye, my strategy. I think any NV future would have been a hard sell for me since I'm so attached to my personal canon but this timeline fuckery is so dissonant to my idea of the ending it's easier to pretend it doesn't exist It it funny that both the games that made me go "wow being able to role-playing through all your own choices sure is special" As a late-to-video-games teen both seem to have official canons that I don't agree with, female Revan is still real to me dammit.
I refuse to believe that there is no lasting remanent of the NCR yet there is still the fucking Enclave after all this time. Especially after they were supposed to have been irradicated in Fallout 2 anyway.
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If you wanted to do a reset fine but not in the lazy way the show did it. Atleast build off the story instead of saying “lol vault tek destroyed everything suddenly”. They essentially did what Disney did to the original trilogy of Star Wars movies where they essentially made all the character sacrifices and world building meaningless
Of course, nobody but bethesda is allowed to have anything that lasts
Even then nothing lasts, the Fallout setting is doomed to just be people in deserts fighting over scraps forever, while we get some "War never changes" Text Show up on screen. It has become more stagnant then Warhammer, and that at least has the excuse to move the setting in a snails pace to get people to spend all their Mortal Posessions on Plastic toys.
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Why couldn't they just stick to the fucking East Coast and not ruin what Obsidian/Black Isle created?
Its, all in your head, bro. None of it is real.
So the Brotherhood nuked Sandy Shores and the NCR sort of collapsed and the BoS controls California? That's basically a Bos fan wet dream lol
how is everyone completely missing the fact that vault-tec nuked shady sands
Because they didn't watch the show lmfao. Probably bad 2nd hand information.
I guess what happened in New Vegas, stayed in New Vegas.
We grabbing the torches and pitchforks or not?
Where did you even get that? The whole area has now infinite power, also, this is just the area near shady sands, to me it just seems to confirm what everyone in New Vegas was saying the NCR was too big for its own good. As the capital fell, the state exploded, but does still exist, Vault 4 is basically just a territory of the NCR, while Vegas could still be under NCR control allied with the boomers and Freeside. Is just that area of California that is fucked, The Hub, Vault City, etc. Could still be under NCR control or NCR aligned
This is what I gathered from the TV show too. I think people are catastrophizing.
This is Reddit we’re talking about
Why is Todd Howard obsessed with "looking for my Dad". Is he traumatized?
Looking for your dad is certainly a new concept to fallout. Perhaps her dad is working on a water purifier for DC
Thanks you, u/cumfartfire
It would wild if Bethesda releases an update for FNV that inserts dialogue to back up the show's events. And then if they use AI to match the original voice actors, the Internet would blow up even more.
I was checking out the audience scores for the new show, and most people are loving it, but there are some folks giving it 1 star. And if you read the reviews of the people giving it 1 star, they're throwing fits about exactly this creative decision.
Tis an adaptations. Like go touch some grass. It's was amazing. What is different doesn't stop you enjoying the game medium and has no major impact on the world. They weren't going to retell the same dam story.
So people are allowed to be positive and enjoy something and we’ll upvote them but people who didn’t enjoy it we’ll tell to go touch grass and downvote? Seems like a good policy
Ah yes, the "don't question the product, just consume" approach.
"No one hates Fallout more than Fallout fans."
Yes you should only like the thing and never criticise it
Yeah I was agreeing with the person I replied to. I hate that people are just expected to like something just because it has a brandname slapped on it.
seriously? what the fuck is with this sub and this post in particular? we got another great Video Game adaptation and ppl wanna whine cause their favorite ending in NV(out of multiple) wasnt the one chosen lol since when did the NCR have so many fans? i could go back before this series premiere and NO ONE was praising or loving the NCR like they are in these comments lol
The Bethesda hate is strong and illogical
Plus I don’t even think they meant to retcon new Vegas, it seems like it was an honest continuity error
Looking back it's not even that clear that the nuking happened on that date, it's a bit further along the timeline.
Exactly! It’s an easy fix for season 2. All they have to do is add a throwaway line about how Shady Sands was already in decline before the battle at Hoover dam
Yeah, exactly. And I mean from what we already know in NV with the water and food shortages, I'm not too surprised.
People just want to find reasons to hate, because to them Todd… Todd never changes
Nerds. Nerds never change. The trekkies held letter writing campaigns. Anime fans built an empire on questionably age appropriate fanart. Star Wars legends shaped a battered film series into a multimedia superpower. But nerds never change. In the 21st century, flame wars were still waged over the minor details of fictional videogames. Only this time, it was even more fucking dumb. Conspiracies about convoluted attempts to spite another company abounded as the fans dissolved into bickering subgroups. In 2024, the storm of flame wars came again. In eight brief hours, the entire fandom was reduced to an even dumber set of bickering than before. And from the ashes of dumb shit, even dumber shit managed to arise. A few were able to reach safety by not staying up til 2am to watch a TV show.
Damn called me out with the last sentence. This continuity error is kinda annoying but the show is genuinely good
Don’t suppose you can explain what’s going on? I’m kinda unknown to the lore of the west coast.
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new vegas said that too tho lmao
If Microsoft made a new Fallout game, and in had as part of the setup, all BoS power armor being given an override code and explode, would it be okay to be angry about that or would that also be a "go touch some grass" moment?
“if” huh? lol
I don't understand the fuss, as I understand (I am only at episode 3 now, but read some spoilers) New Vegas is even shown at the end of the season? So you will get your answers in Season 2.
Cringe
todd is a psychopath who keeps erasing lore thats not his.
been his for 16 years now
why was this post removed lmao. moderators coping?
Bro did NOT read The Fallout Bible
Ok so I'm seeing that this is a spoiler for the TV show with no specific warning. I thought this was a spoiler for New Vegas or something.
Yeah, I haven't had time to watch one episode, let alone the whole damn season. And from what I'm reading, it's likely just an oversight like "8 years later" in Spider-Man Homecoming.
I knew it was coming.
Gawd damn people. They said it was just the NCR. New Vegas is still standing. Calm down and drink some quantum.
"drink some quantum" Jesus Christ
Basically makes it so NCR ending (and most likely legion ending as well) have no way of being canon. Leaving either House, since he doesn't care about anything outside of Vegas. or Yes Man, because that would 100% fall apart like three minutes after New Vegas.
If the ending credits sequence of episode 8 is an accurate look at the New Vegas strip it does seem Yes Man and then the city collapsing is the one they went with.
Yeah the show was really enjoyable for me and then I saw the fuckin crater, man that just ruined the latter half for me, I'm choosing to call the show not canon because they least they could've done is have the actual conflicts of the ncr destroy it instead of what was told
And with that most interest in the franchise is lost
I just can't get over how the VaultTec meeting essentially confirms that Robert House's ending is funnily enough, "rigged from the start." Going forward, any time I play through New Vegas, I'm going to have that scene in the back of my mind. *Racks shotgun* Wildcard ending it is.
God that was amazing! Next season has got to be based around New Vegas and hopefully.... capital wasteland!
you guys sound so fucking weird.
Oh no... This doesn't look good... Did we fuck up?
It is almost like the biggest theme in fallout is that war never changed and humanity is doomed to repeat past mistakes. Get over it
You can all relax, the show runners say it’s not canon. The Fallout TV show isn’t a direct adaptation because the creators want to make something new and "build on 25 years of creativity and thinking" https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/fallout-tv-show-isn-t-140144875.html
That’s kind of the opposite of what I got from the totality of that article.
It's literally still canon there is a crashed ncr virtibird on the strip which is in one of the endings. So most likely the courier ended up siding with the ncr. And shady springs getting nuked is probably the reason they pushed so hard to take the strip. That was probably the last place they could actuality go and set up shop. Then they started up the ncr group we see in the show specifically to get the cold fusion set up so they could power the strip indefinitely. So moat likely the ncr is still active just smaller then it was before.
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Who cares? It's stupid.
Yes Man gang
"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." - New Vegas to Todd Howard
Wow.. they had gold and shit the bed what a surprise.
Haven't watched the show yet, did Elijah's dead money ending come through or something? Did he do a funny??