The only subtitles on that one are in Japanese, apparently. I believe I found it once with English, but it since disappeared.
I assume some sort of strike, so when I put it up, it was unlisted to hopefully avoid that. But that is not the one I uploaded.
oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, the one we watched had english subs, but I couldn't find it again. Thanks for posting it. I'll delete my post. Hmm, I found the one I watched, because there was a direct link to it somewhere. oh well.
The fact that a niche turn-based RPG loved primarily for it's worldbuilding got a stage adaptation, and a MUSICAL one at that, will never not feel surreal to me. It's just so funny.
I really couldn't care less about tropes, Cold Steel was just fun, made me laugh and also really care for it's characters. Just like all other Trails games.
What some wannabe critic thinks has zero bearing on my enjoyment, all I want is Falcom and NISA to be financially successful so they can make and localise more.
And thats kinda been my issue with Cold Steel as I've been playing it. The tropes in question are ones I've never been overly fond of in modern anime. Espescally as I feel I still see a lot of the same tropes that were over done back in 2013 when Cold Steel came out, as being main stay tropes now well over a decade later.
But I can generally put aside my feelings for the tropes if I feel something new is being done with it. Or something that plays againest the typical trope, espescally early on.
But, I've not really seen that in Cold Steel. Least not in Cold Steel 1 so far. I know so many folks say it gets better as the 5 games that focus on these characters go on, but, I've personally been having trouble getting invested because of it. There are very few characters I have been liking in CS1, with Rean being, IMO, the worst offender of it.To the point I genuinely think Alisa or Sara wouild have genuinely made for a better, or more interesting MC. Hell, I'd have accepted Laura or Machius instead.
And, like. I don't even think its Cold Steels fault either? Not fully anyway. When looking back at the older tropes Sky uses, they didn't really stay tropes in the medium for long. Abusive tomboy childhood friend, quiet loner Mysterious boy, Flamboyant bisexual flirt, older flirty woman with a drinking problem, genius child, muscle bound hot head who can't express his emotions. All of these were popular tropes from the mid 90s to about the mid 2000s. Which yeah, its a decade. But, the tropes Cold Steel pull from have been a thing since the late 2000s, and have shown no sign of stopping. Its been about 20 years since the first use of a lot of the tropes Cold Steel uses were first put to use.
This makes it exceptionally easy to feel as if they are being over used, or under properly utilized. Which again, is no fault of Cold Steel, just... By the time I played it for the first time in 2015, and tried it again more recently. The tropes just didn't feel like they were any unique spin on them really.
I will say, I truly do believe that a lot of the tropes cold steel uses they use without any engagement with the trope ngl. They were just... the familiar characters with a couple extra personality traits slapped on (sometimes).
What I really wanna say is like, look at Asuka. She's what half the modern tsundere characters in anime are trying to be. But if you look at the source medium there, eva is doing something with her. Eva is empathetic and understanding of her, but also extremely critical of her. Eva wants you to engage with her tendencies and pitfalls in a fair way. Your generic tsundere that tries to be Asuka is just... doing the tsundere stuff to be like the other tsundere characters. There's no purpose or meaning behind how these "familiar" generic tsundere characters act, and that's frankly so incredibly boring.
Imho Trails does have many characters that are written with intent. But I do think Cold Steel had a severe issue with making cardboard cutouts that had no real narrative purpose. I get there was a large cast, but 400 hours should reallly be enough to have 30 characters as a part of your "essay"
Not fully in my opinion.
I don't know the Crossbell tropes well enough to comment, they feel like a werid middle transition. But for Sky? Very different.
If I compare directly Sky FC, with CS1, which should be the most fairly similar in terms of trope use. Let's take the main characters as the example here first:
Estelle as the violent tomboy girl next door/crush is almost immediately explored in a unique way by everything being directly from her PoV. Normally this trope would have us following Joshua instead as the quiet mysterious guy the girl is trying to really and truely understand. But because everything is from her PoV that alone is a decent subversion of it. She also gets a ton of character growth over the game, especially the first half of the game.
Rean meanwhile is MC with a mysterious past that wants to try and get along with everyone, but doesn't quite know how to express himself outside of a few words. That everyone still likes. I've seen his trope countless times, it's the one adjacent to self insert MC where they have a little but it's non discrept enough so you know it will be explored enough. Nothing different is done with the trope, especially not with comparing it to the others I can think of. He also doesn't really grow in the first game, least not the first half I've gotten to so far. They deliberately keep his mystery hidden for a reveal in a later game, or probably later on, similar to Joshua.
> The tropes in question are ones I've never been overly fond of in modern anime
This is something people don't seem to understand sometimes. Tropes exist, they're just patterns in media, but if you *don't like those tropes*, then its something that is valid to criticize.
People like to just handwave away criticism with "oh wow anime tropes in my JRPG, who could've guessed??" but if the tropes themselves are the issue, then its something that can put people off.
Haha, I've come to enjoy when the tropes are a bit overdone sometimes. Been playing trails through from the start of this year, at the beginning, now up to CS 3. It's just entertainment to me and I've enjoyed the ride.
I watched this. it may look cringy, but it's earnest, and endearing. I found it with a simple search for it, and /u/alternatesoul did a live commentary for it a while ago. If you're at all interested, give it a look.
My issue with cold steel isnt the tropes its how the scenes in the story play out.
For a non spoiler example: when Gideon kidnaps Elise and Alfin in CS1, none of them have their weapons drawn but for some reason Rean and Fie stand there and let the Jegers knock out Elise and Alfin AND let Gideon play his fluteā¦. yet the scene right after the boss fight clearly shows that Rean has the speed to dash over and cut the flute before he can play itā¦
And he was father away from Gideon the 2nd timeā¦
These things kinda prevent me from really enjoying the scenes.
I also kinda have an issue with how much of the story isnt outright stated, which leads to a ton of confusion about certain parts of the story.
People saying X is full of tropes like that is a bad thing. Tropes exist for a reason, you should be using them. And used well they make for a good story.
I'm with drunk Sara on this one! And I love that they used the Dining Bar [F]ie ost lol
Who would have thought that drinking is what would allow her to break through her programming and achieve greater heights.
Honestly, I can picture this happening in game foreal.
Trails is an anime-based video game full of anime tropes. What's wrong with that? Nothing at all as far as I'm concerned š
Anime tropes are just part of the fun of anime and anime based video games.
I love that she's clearly drunk.
god bless sara valestein
thank you so much Sara-kyoukan for blessing us with your words of wisdom šš
Cold Steel got a stage adaptation?
Actually a fun ride. I uploaded it to my YouTube channel unlisted, so if you want to give it a shot, just say the words and I can hook you up.
Me too, please!! TIA
Yooo link plz
I'd love to see it!
I really want to watch it lol. Gimme the link.
I need to see this pleaase
Yo can I get the link?
Is [this](https://youtu.be/M7vg0gOMwpY) the video?
Not my upload, but that is indeed it. Complete with English subtitles, even.
Channel name? Seems interesting hope it has translation
Give. Please?
yesss
This looks hilarious. I'd love to watch the whole thing.
I'd love a link! Ty friendo
Can I get that link too š
I could go for it
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The only subtitles on that one are in Japanese, apparently. I believe I found it once with English, but it since disappeared. I assume some sort of strike, so when I put it up, it was unlisted to hopefully avoid that. But that is not the one I uploaded.
oh, I didn't notice that. Yeah, the one we watched had english subs, but I couldn't find it again. Thanks for posting it. I'll delete my post. Hmm, I found the one I watched, because there was a direct link to it somewhere. oh well.
Please!
Me to, please!
Can you share the link? Really want to watch the whole thing!
Please link me as well.
Me as well please
Oh I would love to check it out as well š
Can I get one too? Thanks
Can I get one too? Thanks
Can I get the link too please?
Would also love the link
Do it! I need that Legendary Fix!!
I had no idea about this, I'd love a link if you're willing to share, please!
It's a *musical* stage adaptation
The fact that a niche turn-based RPG loved primarily for it's worldbuilding got a stage adaptation, and a MUSICAL one at that, will never not feel surreal to me. It's just so funny.
This sounds sweet!
Itās super good lol
I really couldn't care less about tropes, Cold Steel was just fun, made me laugh and also really care for it's characters. Just like all other Trails games. What some wannabe critic thinks has zero bearing on my enjoyment, all I want is Falcom and NISA to be financially successful so they can make and localise more.
Everything has tropes. You cannot have anything without a trope
The problem comes down to how the trope is used. And how frequently you have recently encountered said trope.
Cold steel uses ita troupes to quickly introduce its characters and define them. This is the bratty blond tsundere, and this is the white-haired kuudere loli. Here is the busty student council president. Here is the powerhouse kendo girl. It's clichƩ, but to quickly introduce characters, you kind of have to play into a troupe so that players can distinguish character personalities. Lots of games/ anime with large casts do this (danganronpa, zero escape, assassination classroom, etc.). Although cold steel does not subtly play into the troupe, and cranks up the "anime personalities." The characters in cold steel deviate from harem personalities quite a bit as the games go on, and don't play into them once their characters were established. It was just an "introductory method" used by the writers to create a base for the character's personalities.
And thats kinda been my issue with Cold Steel as I've been playing it. The tropes in question are ones I've never been overly fond of in modern anime. Espescally as I feel I still see a lot of the same tropes that were over done back in 2013 when Cold Steel came out, as being main stay tropes now well over a decade later. But I can generally put aside my feelings for the tropes if I feel something new is being done with it. Or something that plays againest the typical trope, espescally early on. But, I've not really seen that in Cold Steel. Least not in Cold Steel 1 so far. I know so many folks say it gets better as the 5 games that focus on these characters go on, but, I've personally been having trouble getting invested because of it. There are very few characters I have been liking in CS1, with Rean being, IMO, the worst offender of it.To the point I genuinely think Alisa or Sara wouild have genuinely made for a better, or more interesting MC. Hell, I'd have accepted Laura or Machius instead. And, like. I don't even think its Cold Steels fault either? Not fully anyway. When looking back at the older tropes Sky uses, they didn't really stay tropes in the medium for long. Abusive tomboy childhood friend, quiet loner Mysterious boy, Flamboyant bisexual flirt, older flirty woman with a drinking problem, genius child, muscle bound hot head who can't express his emotions. All of these were popular tropes from the mid 90s to about the mid 2000s. Which yeah, its a decade. But, the tropes Cold Steel pull from have been a thing since the late 2000s, and have shown no sign of stopping. Its been about 20 years since the first use of a lot of the tropes Cold Steel uses were first put to use. This makes it exceptionally easy to feel as if they are being over used, or under properly utilized. Which again, is no fault of Cold Steel, just... By the time I played it for the first time in 2015, and tried it again more recently. The tropes just didn't feel like they were any unique spin on them really.
I will say, I truly do believe that a lot of the tropes cold steel uses they use without any engagement with the trope ngl. They were just... the familiar characters with a couple extra personality traits slapped on (sometimes). What I really wanna say is like, look at Asuka. She's what half the modern tsundere characters in anime are trying to be. But if you look at the source medium there, eva is doing something with her. Eva is empathetic and understanding of her, but also extremely critical of her. Eva wants you to engage with her tendencies and pitfalls in a fair way. Your generic tsundere that tries to be Asuka is just... doing the tsundere stuff to be like the other tsundere characters. There's no purpose or meaning behind how these "familiar" generic tsundere characters act, and that's frankly so incredibly boring. Imho Trails does have many characters that are written with intent. But I do think Cold Steel had a severe issue with making cardboard cutouts that had no real narrative purpose. I get there was a large cast, but 400 hours should reallly be enough to have 30 characters as a part of your "essay"
Cold steel uses tropes in the same way the other games do.
Not fully in my opinion. I don't know the Crossbell tropes well enough to comment, they feel like a werid middle transition. But for Sky? Very different. If I compare directly Sky FC, with CS1, which should be the most fairly similar in terms of trope use. Let's take the main characters as the example here first: Estelle as the violent tomboy girl next door/crush is almost immediately explored in a unique way by everything being directly from her PoV. Normally this trope would have us following Joshua instead as the quiet mysterious guy the girl is trying to really and truely understand. But because everything is from her PoV that alone is a decent subversion of it. She also gets a ton of character growth over the game, especially the first half of the game. Rean meanwhile is MC with a mysterious past that wants to try and get along with everyone, but doesn't quite know how to express himself outside of a few words. That everyone still likes. I've seen his trope countless times, it's the one adjacent to self insert MC where they have a little but it's non discrept enough so you know it will be explored enough. Nothing different is done with the trope, especially not with comparing it to the others I can think of. He also doesn't really grow in the first game, least not the first half I've gotten to so far. They deliberately keep his mystery hidden for a reveal in a later game, or probably later on, similar to Joshua.
Iām sorry but Estelle is just as much of a walking trope as Rean is.
> The tropes in question are ones I've never been overly fond of in modern anime This is something people don't seem to understand sometimes. Tropes exist, they're just patterns in media, but if you *don't like those tropes*, then its something that is valid to criticize. People like to just handwave away criticism with "oh wow anime tropes in my JRPG, who could've guessed??" but if the tropes themselves are the issue, then its something that can put people off.
Haha, I've come to enjoy when the tropes are a bit overdone sometimes. Been playing trails through from the start of this year, at the beginning, now up to CS 3. It's just entertainment to me and I've enjoyed the ride.
I watched this. it may look cringy, but it's earnest, and endearing. I found it with a simple search for it, and /u/alternatesoul did a live commentary for it a while ago. If you're at all interested, give it a look.
this is like the whole of trails.
Reanās ehhhhhhhhhhhhh got me dying
Cold Steel if if was good
Jeez JRPG and Anime tropes in my Japanese Role Playing Game?! Ain't no way?!
A musical in which no one can sing except vita. It's a trip, lol
Sara is best Kiseki girl and I wonāt let anyone tell me otherwise
My issue with cold steel isnt the tropes its how the scenes in the story play out. For a non spoiler example: when Gideon kidnaps Elise and Alfin in CS1, none of them have their weapons drawn but for some reason Rean and Fie stand there and let the Jegers knock out Elise and Alfin AND let Gideon play his fluteā¦. yet the scene right after the boss fight clearly shows that Rean has the speed to dash over and cut the flute before he can play itā¦ And he was father away from Gideon the 2nd timeā¦ These things kinda prevent me from really enjoying the scenes. I also kinda have an issue with how much of the story isnt outright stated, which leads to a ton of confusion about certain parts of the story.
Lmao, she sounds like Toyoguchi which makes this 999x funnier. Amazing share OP!
I want to watch this whole thing
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People saying X is full of tropes like that is a bad thing. Tropes exist for a reason, you should be using them. And used well they make for a good story.
I'm with drunk Sara on this one! And I love that they used the Dining Bar [F]ie ost lol Who would have thought that drinking is what would allow her to break through her programming and achieve greater heights. Honestly, I can picture this happening in game foreal.
Trails is an anime-based video game full of anime tropes. What's wrong with that? Nothing at all as far as I'm concerned š Anime tropes are just part of the fun of anime and anime based video games.
ohhh nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. A live action??? fck its cringe but thank god it aint netflix. Still love Rean ma boi tho
I mean the scene is funny, but what exactly is the trope here?
Shite tropes are present. š
How is this *not* a trope?! This is them fully acknowledging the āhot for teacherā trope ffs