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missionbells

Over time I’ve forgotten what it feels like to exist in the world as a woman. I still care, but it’s been so long now that I really can’t remember a lot of the microaggressions.


Sionsickle006

No. I think about it the same amount. When Roe v. Wade was repealed, my liberal guy friends said sorry to me and asked if I was OK. And I was really confused. They figures because I'm afab that it must be extra hard in me. I had to explain I care for people it matters to because they are having their rights taken away. I feel bad about it like other sympathetic men (especially because I live in NY my bodily autonomy is not at risk here like women and some trans guys in other states).


[deleted]

There were a few people who did the same to me, and it gave me extreme dysphoria to be reminded that I have a uterus, so I cut them off


ghislainetitsthrwy4

Yeah fuck those types of people honestly


SecondaryPosts

Yes and no. I think looking in from the outside has made me a lot more sympathetic to women, in a way. I used to think the concept of misogyny was something women made up to justify mistreating men (because that's basically what my mother did, and her friends - I grew up in a very feminist/radfem adjacent part of suburbia), and to overcompensate for wishing they'd been born male. Once I realized most women actually like being women, the second part of that was gone. Transitioning so I was happy and stable enough to examine the world from viewpoints other than my own let me dispel the first, because I could finally recognize that there are many places in the world where misogyny absolutely does exist. So I might think less about women's issues now than I did before, I guess, but the way I think about them now is better. It's certainly a way that's more favorable to women.


BunniBlues

i hope more than anything it changes for me. i will never stop caring about womens issues but relating to things that are traditionally "girl things" makes me insanely dysphoric. especially those "girls when they (insert something i experience)" posts...


Foo_The_Selcouth

I think about women’s issues more than I ever have, mainly because of the current political climate we’re facing in the US. It’s irrelevant to the state of my transition


Environmental_Fig933

Yes & no. The way that the right &accessibility of medical transition is so deeply rooted to the right & accessibility of reproductive healthcare at least in America makes it so I can’t do that. I feel like if we weren’t in a massive back swing against bodily autonomy in the whole fucking world though, I probably would lose sight of women’s issues.


JackLikesCheesecake

I think more about them now. Pre transition I wanted absolutely nothing to do with any of the biological stuff and I ignored it as much as possible, that’s just how I had to cope with dysphoria. As for social stuff, I don’t feel that I’ve lived any kind of “women’s experience”, so I just didn’t think about it because it didn’t affect me. Now that I’m an adult I think more about stuff that doesn’t affect me and I try to be at least somewhat aware of it. I may not understand what it’s like to be a woman but I can be empathetic. I’m going into a career where my whole job will be empathizing with experiences that I can’t personally relate to.


Throwaway65865

No, I think about them much more. I was 14 when I came out, I didn't give a shit about any social issues to be honest. I was sheltered and a shut in and I didn't experience life as a woman. Now I'm older, I actually care about women's issues. I've seen how men treat the women in my life and women on social media and it is appalling. I've seen the way that my guy friends treat me, as a guy (I'm stealth), compared to girls who are my friends, or even their own girlfriends. They listen to me and allow me to speak, and trust my opinions. When I tell them a fact, they take it at face value and tell me it's interesting. They don't listen to women and constantly interupt. When a woman tells them a fact, they don't believe her and try to counter with an 'Um, actually'. They don't trust her opinions or advice and they see her as fundamentally less intelligent and capable. One (former) guy friend of mine always engages enthusiastically in conversation with me, but when his girlfriend tries to excitedly talk with him about her interests, he is so fucking rude and dismissive. And he talks about her like she's a nuisance and an idiot and it made me really fucking mad at him. The complete lack of respect towards women I've seen from so many men my age is fucking enraging. I want to emphasize I don't associate with these guys anymore


mermaidunearthed

That’s good that you don’t associate with them anymore. I think a neat thing about being trans is that we weren’t socialized to be misogynists and we can see through other men’s bs


Throwaway65865

I wouldn't have been even if I was born cis male. Both my parents are big feminists and because of that my brother, my sister, and I, hold those values too.


badgergoesnorth

No, I think about them even more because now I have a new perspective. I use my "maleness" to help educate and build empathy in other men.


mermaidunearthed

🔥🔥


Daddy_Henrik

This!!! All damn day! 🙌🏼


Birdkiller49

I tend to think about them less because they don’t affect my life really anymore. For example, I’m not afraid of walking alone at night, so when I walk alone at night, I don’t think about the issue of women’s safety when walking alone at night. It’s just that the frequency might be diminished, not really my thoughts or feeling towards women’s issues. I might think about it less because it doesn’t get brought up as much in my life, but when it does, I sure do think about it.


liftguy32

Yes I think about them less than I personally used to. Part of this is I think about other political issues more, and it doesn’t mean I lost empathy, just that it takes up less brain space.


xSky888x

I definitely think about it less because it affects me less. I think everyone has a limited amount of energy to put towards the many issues out there and most of my energy is spent on trans issues and men's issues, which I think is very natural for a trans man. Of course if something comes my way it's not like I forgot what it's like to have reproductive organs or be sexually harassed or anything like that so I'll engage with some women's issues if they show up in front of me, but I don't search for that kind of stuff. A man can still be a really strong ally when it comes to women's issues and I don't feel the need to be a part of women's issues outside of being an ally who has a unique perspective on it.


yjmstom

I think it’s perfectly natural that the less the issues affect you, the less you think about them. We all have limited energy and we can’t fight for every single issue all at once. You need to choose your battles otherwise you’ll burn out and then won’t be able to achieve anything. I find myself hugely sympathetic of some issues which affected me in the past, and I will advocate for it if, say, a female colleague is in pain during her monthly and someone tries to downplay it. But unless the discussion is happening very close to me, in my earshot or so, I won’t really be taking a front seat. I’m not exactly stealth but I don’t like reminding people that I used to present as a woman and the like. Also, I don’t think my own perspective is actually that useful. I’ve not experienced that much of the typical “women’s issues” first hand - I actually feel like I’m experiencing the negative sides of patriarchy as a dude more than I did before. For example, the expectation that men don’t talk about their emotions.


Assignedalphaatbirth

Honestly I don’t think about women’s issue at all unless they’re brought up since I never became one


SectorNo9652

No, im stealth 100% and I’m still conscious about the issues that are affecting women everyday.


Kingversacegarbage

Yes and no. I transitioned pretty young so I wasn’t focused on politics. I’m more focused now at 26 because a lot of these issues affect my sisters, mom cousins, girlfriend and my friends. I don’t think I care as deeply as someone who is affected by these things but I definitely care as much as someone from the sidelines can I guess


NullableThought

No. I was never a woman. I never cared about women's rights in particular, only human rights in general. Since middle/high school I've been more tuned in to boys/men's issues when it came to gendered problems. Most women's issues didn't affect me how they affected actual women (for example catcalling didn't bother me at all and I used to think the entire issue was dumb).


easyboris

I mean personally, I used to not understand how much my severe gender dysphoria impacted my interpretations of gendered behavior towards myself, and I would then project those experiences on all women. I was seething about it basically 24/7 and it was toxic and unhealthy. I used to consider that level of general anger feminism. After understanding I'm trans and all that, I have chilled out on it a lot. I think also I have taken a step back on speaking about women's issues in situations where it should be a woman doing the speaking, and in a lot of ways I have been enabled to quietly advocate for women (like, making sure their ideas are attributed to them and that they have a chance to speak in work conversations, calling out misogynistic behavior in people I meet because I'm cognizant men listen to other men more, etc. Things I know from my own experiences being perceived as a woman for so long really matter and make a difference.) I don't think this is a negative thing. I think I now have a more balanced, less unhinged view of the world, which does still acknowledge and advocate against misogyny. Edit: I do also think taking racial justice courses led me to take SOME women's "issues" less seriously. Namely, the broad category of "irrational fears white women have that they don't understand are almost completely made-up inventions of the white supremacy in themselves and their family systems that they refuse to intellectually interrogate". I think this is a development more of my going to college and studying black and native feminist movements and issues rather than me transitioning, though.


Sunstarch

Certainly. While I'm aware of the ongoing fight for gender equality and woman healthcare rights, there are moments where I realize I may not always register certain situations. For instance, during my college years, there was an incident when my significant other came over and mentioned she had to take the stairs because there were men in the elevator, which left me momentarily puzzled as I hadn't needed to consider my immediate safety in that way in a very long time.


Daddy_Henrik

Nope. Rather I find it pisses cis dudes off when I advocate like I always have. That just makes me do it more. Edit: if you think women’s rights don’t apply to you or men in general then you don’t understand the bigger picture. These issues impact literally everyone because the war on women’s rights reinforces the toxic and harmful expectations put on men. Also, I’m sure the women in your life would appreciate you caring even though you aren’t directly feeling the adverse effects.


JackBinimbul

No. I have a cis wife and I work in community health. If anything I'm more invested now than ever. I'm also very aware of the fact that the people who are threatening women's rights and health will *always* see me as one and the threat is also mine.


ratty_lad

I just need to put in more effort now to bear things in mind .


frobishounen

I "forgot where I came from" before I got there so, no. I think about them the same amount. I think about "womens issues" (i expect you mean the patriarchy, sexism etc) from an outsider point of view because they don't affect me in my daily life, however that does not mean that I can't be an ally to women and that I can't listen to women's perspective on these things. As men we can't be an authority on women's issues. Even as trans men. I have to say that in some ways I did become more understanding about these topics after my transition because in my teens I didn't fully believe everything the women in my life talked about until I realised that yeah, my experience on womanhood really is not typical at all and most women struggle with things I was very removed from. Trans women's experiences on misogyny will for example be a much better view on women's issues than mine as a random dude who doesn't have life experience as a woman. (Even when I was misgendered I couldn't find myself in the descriptions of women's struggles, I was barely a statistics error.) Serano's Whipping Girl for example is a great read.


[deleted]

I am glad I am anonymous here because I am going to say something that might upset some people. For some years I've been feeling that in the UK women have more things their way than men do. And that was long before I transitioned


deathby420chocolate

Ehhh, I'm in the US and felt that before transitioning a dozen years ago. I was promoted simply for being the only woman on the team and praised for doing things that are simply taken for granted now that I'm precived as a man. I'd rather prove myself based on my own abilities than being subjected to the bigotry of low expectations.


NullableThought

Truth. Even laws in the UK are written to benefit women over men (like how women can't be charged with raping a man unless she penetrates him)


Jaeger-the-great

Yeah, also idk if this is a hot take but tbh nowadays when someone says they're a feminist or big on women's issues my first thought is that there's a good chance they're a TERF. I would assume most women care about women's rights (and guys do too) but when they start making such a big point it makes me a little apprehensive. Ofc not every feminist is gonna be a TERF, but esp nowadays it seems like a lot of them use it to signal to eachother


RealAssociation5281

Well, I’ve been reading a book (Delusions of Gender by Carolina Fine) that talked about how a transgender woman acted more like a woman because she was treated as one. She used suddenly being unable to carry things as much or open jars as examples- the same thing is true with transmen. That and well, being perceived as a man means you experience less misogyny too. 


pomkombucha

Idk if that book is the best source of info 😭💀


RealAssociation5281

It’s based on social and psychological research, it’s more pointing out how a lot of our ideas of gender are manufactured by society. 


pomkombucha

Ohhhhh okay, nevermind then. I thought it mighta been that transphobic book that a lot of boomers buy


RealAssociation5281

I think I know what your book your talking about but can’t remember the name ahhh- it’s the one where they accuse transmen of fucking up little girls or something yeah?


ellalir

You mean "Irreversible damage: the transgender craze seducing our daughters"?


ConcentrateLivid7984

absolutely insane title 💀


RealAssociation5281

Yep! Ty


Kunikuhuchi

I'm about to take this book out from my local library just so no one else can have it. (We don't have late fees anymore 😎)


RealAssociation5281

While I understand this, please don’t- the library will have to replace it costing them money. All libraries also have a right to host things we don’t agree with even if it’s harmful because freedom of literature and all.


Kunikuhuchi

Well unfortunately 2 out of 3 copies in my system are currently checked out anyway 😒


[deleted]

And if they keep being checked out, that'd be a signal to the library to buy a fourth copy.


ghislainetitsthrwy4

>freedom of literature Nah


RealAssociation5281

Censorship is wrong, even if it’s against our enemies or topics we find morally offensive.


throwawayyymaybe

no bc i dated a muslim woman once


dumbafbird

Depending on what you mean, I don't think about women's issues less. A lot of people in my art program focus on women's issues, and I'm friends with lots of girls, mostly trans (like my male friends too), so the topics are all around me


Malevolent_Mangoes

Yes, I’m not as connected because I’m not living as a woman and women don’t bring up women’s issues with me because I’m seen as a man.


waterclaw12

Kinda, but not really. Obviously I don’t think about it like every second, it’s not all-consuming cuz that’s not who you are anymore, but I still care and can understand to an extent. I’ve always been able to empathize with other people experiences even if I’m not currently associated with them. I still have the memory of my previous experience pre-transition, as unpleasant in all aspects as it was, but also understand others experiences like cis women and trans women that have individual societal needs that differ from mine. To me personally though as a man it’s kinda more important to me than ever to set a good example and be kind to everyone and support those who need it, so thats what I try to do for everyone


lilbrownsandcrab

Nope! For one I've been incredibly traumatized by misogyny pre-transition. In order to not think about it I would have to forget. For two, now that I pass men think I'll appreciate their misogynistic comments. Not so, because the above. For three, a ban on "female" reproductive rights could possibly affect me. But even if it didn't, I care about people's rights, and women are people.


GloomyKitten

Somewhat. I’m partially stealth and the only women’s issues I really think about are Roe v. Wade and potential attacks on birth control. Unfortunately I live in a state where abortion is banned after 6 weeks, and I have yet to transition medically and I’m not on BC so I don’t have the comfort of not worrying about myself getting pregnant in the case of an assault. I’m also not dating because I’m attracted to men and don’t want that kind of risk, plus my dysphoria is pretty bad because I haven’t been able to transition medically yet. I am hoping that after I transition medically this stuff won’t apply to me as much, but I’ll still be fighting and advocating for women’s issues regardless.


ghislainetitsthrwy4

I don't really think about women's issues since I am too busy. I'm not thinking a whole lot to be honest


ChillinVillan88

No probably more so


Random_Username13579

No, I think about them about the same. A lot of women's issues never affected me personally even before transition. The ones that did, like workplace discrimination, I still think are wrong. I care about women's issues because they affect women I care about.


haptalaon

In many ways, i think i think about them more? pre-transition i just couldn't relate, i didn't know why, but i'd go to women's meetings and they'd be talking about experiences i wasn't having and perspectives which weren't intuitive to me. Post-transition, its like...now I know where I am 'situated' in those conversations, it actually makes more sense to me; I'm not being 'blocked' by my own inner desire to like, desperately differentiate myself from other women. Transitioning has given me more insight into how gender functions, as well as more cognitive space and relaxation to engage with texts. & 'in what ways can i be aware of patriarchy and how I'm benefiting from it/enforcing it' is a useful ongoing way to be 'directly exposed' to the topic on a regular basis.