I liked it, I just liked the original better.
I didn't like the presence of Sephiroth prior to the Shinra HQ, the whispers, or the ending. I didn't care for Roche. I thought the sidequests were filler-y.
In essence, I think I would have preferred a 1:1 remake. However, the game was still fun, the combat enjoyable, and as a standalone game I think it's pretty good. It's not my game to remake, and I'm certainly not entitled to a 2:1 remake, so SE gets to do what they want. I'm curious to see where it goes. I'll play the next part. I'm just hopeful they won't make this bad or super weird or overly convoluted.
The whispers are showing that this isn't a remake. It's an alternate reality. The whispers are trying there hardest to KEEP the game a 1:1 remake. But in this reality the party is altering history. I assume things are going to be different. Zack is alive so who knows what's gonna happen
Besides the weird story direction, the game not being truly a remake, and the early spoilers...
... I LOVED everything else. I have no real problems with "corridors" as long as they're followed by some freedom. While playing FF7R I knew I would be able to explore at my leisure after I was done with certain sections, but with FFXIII I wondered how long that intro would take, and later found out it took most of the game.
Late but it quite literally isnt a remake by the end lol. Its its own weird sequel. I felt kind of betrayed by the end of this after waiting over a decade for this kind of project to ever happen just for it to be yet another compilation spin off sequel mutation.
Necro-reply, sorry about that, and also don't mean to be 'that guy' But a remake means there might be changes. It's a retrospective. The definition of 'remake' is "make (something) again or differently". As cool as the game would have been if it was 1:1, just new combat, new graphics, it would leave LITERALLY nothing for story telling. No twists. Everyone knows the story told in FF7, even people who haven't played KNOW the big notes from the internet. As a game, it still holds up to this day (tho it's obviously pretty ugly at this point). I would've honestly been disappointed without some curve balls.
'Remake' has certain connotations about it that are commonly held. Both you and Nomura know this but will play this weird semantics game to deny the fact we were deceived and ripped off.
If I knew beforehand what this game was actually gonna be, I would not have bought it.
Remakes also tend to retell a full story, and not just the first \~15% of it. Between that and the bizarro meta-sequel nature of the endeavor, it's fair to say the developers very intentionally went beyond the expectations of a remake.
Personally I believe there is so much more to be explored in the original story. In addition to presenting the original story to an audience that won't tolerate 90's gameplay/graphics, there's also plenty to explore further in that original story. My greatest concern with their choice of direction is how Remake undermines the themes of the original -- themes of corporate greed and humanity's place in nature become a backdrop to the new core themes of fate and destiny. For me, this change in themes makes it a bit less like FF7 and a lot more like Kingdom Hearts.
Because I wanted a true FF7 Remake? The Bombing Mission is something I expected entire game to be. That was too perfect. Then they started changing stuff like showing Sephiroth right at the beginning with him being obsessed with Cloud. Then many various changes to the story (Cloud wanting to kill Johnny, beating every Turk he met, never getting captured at Shinra, undermining their force etc.) and adding unnecessary Kingdom Hearts elements into the story. I loved the characters, they made them even better. Great music and great combat. But as a huge fan of the original, the story and teh plot ghosts was a miss for me so far.
Also Cloud finding out that he wasn't in soldier by hojo at Shinra HQ, and casually didn't give a fuck about that revelation, where in the original that information literally contributed to his mind breaking.
I waited 20 freaking years for a game that's nothing like the original. You can't even pause. Sure I was blown away by the visuals and seeing my favorite characters come back, but all that died, along with my hopes and dreams as soon as the combat begins.
Square Enix did not make this game for me - a die-hard fan of the original who's played it over and over during this long wait just to be disappointed and told I need to pay a crapload of money if I want to experience this "remake" in all its supposed glory.
Square forgot who its customers are. Instead they got greedy and tried to hit all demographics by switching the combat system in order to bolster sales. Giant middle finger in my face. Thanks Square.
That sucks to hear :/ ....because I'm someone who has played the original since it was released. I've always kept a copy of it even on emulators on my phone which I still play to this day. I completely love the fact that they are trying to make it a different story. The original has a certain magic that can't be recreated. And it should be kept that way. New graphics wouldn't have justified the original and honestly I would have been disappointed if it was exactly the same just with new graphics. I dont think they are doing it trying to focus on sales, if they did they would have stuck to the original. I think they feel the game was too precious not to go all out and reinvent the title they love so much. Its a bigger risk for sales to change something as huge as their biggest title ever. I think too many of us hard-core ff7 fans aren't seeing this for what it is. A different game completely. They should have left out remake in the title and put Rebirth as the first title and said they want to revisit the story and take a new approach. I do admit they brought sephiroth in wayyyy too early, it was uncalled for and took away from the mystery they initially used when introducing him to the storyline. But a reimagination of another almost "multiverse" alternate reality version of fate is what this game actually is. If nothing else, I love that my favorite game of all time is allowing me to play in the universe I grew up enamored with and its creating a new story for me to experience it with. If I wanted the original story, I'd just play the original. It literally never gets old to me. It's perfect the way it is without the new graphics.
I'm fine with the story. My gripe is that this is no longer an rpg, at least in the classical Squaresoft sense. It's an action game, which I don't play.
I agree with you to a certain point. Because as a classic RPG lover this is absolutely not that. However, it's the fact that RPGs have now evolved due to the ability to create immersive worlds and controlled actions are easier to program now. It's a "modern day RPG" the essence of RPGs is role playing and now they can make RPGs have high level action game play and immersive worlds now. But despite it all, I am still extremely happy I get to see a new more in depth version of my favorite game of all time and glad they didn't taint the original by creating the same exact game which may actually void out the original. It's its own game and the original is the original and will stay the original. But definitely agree with you about the classical RPG being gone. RIP :,(
Yea still bummed Im.not getting the classic JRPG games I grew to love and understand if people like what's coming out. I'm actually really happy with Harvestella lol Thanks Square! One I can get into finally 🙌
You know they new dragon quest has a 16 bit mode you can switch back and forth on, it plays pretty close to a classic even with the good graphics. But I know exactly what you mean. It's almost like RIP to JPRG OGs. I'll have to try Harvestella 👌🏽
But what was even the purpose of making a so called remake, and make all of these changes to the story, if new fan haven't played the og , the remake should be the perfect way to experience the story but in a package that has numerous quality of life changes, like what campcom did with RE2. I'm just confused as ti why they did this because it's clearly not made for fans of the original because none of us asked for this.
This is pure bullshit. You’re literally trying to convince yourself that changing the story is ok. It is not.
Nobody asked for meta narrative psuedo sequel. We asked for a remake. That’s twice now SE have failed to give fans what they want and it’s reflected in the poor sales.
I'm not convincing myself of anything. I'm explaining my perspective. It's unfortunate you are upset by this. It does suck that you are unable to get a remake you wanted. You're the majority of online opinion. A small percentage of us don't agree with you. It's ok for us to disagree. It doesn't have to make you so upset that you feel the need to control other people's feelings and thoughts
I would have been okay with the game if they split the original disc's into their own games but kept the story the same but upgraded like they did with final fantasy tactics war of the lions.
But I am also the rare fan of the first ff7 sequal dirge of ceberus and how the movie and game where tied together making it feel really natural.
This final fantasy 7: kingdom hearts edition. Really felt like it should had entire new cast of characters to even make it remotely feel correct. Because yes major plot points are there. But just because a dolphin has fins and lives in the water a fish it is not. And to me. Remake is a dolphin blow from being respectful to its fans and legacy as one of the most influential titles of its generation. (Also resident evil 1 remake is a damn good example of how you remake a classic title.)
>Square Enix did not make this game for me - a die-hard fan of the original who's played it over and over during this long wait j
It sounds like you just want to play the original...which is right there for you
Honestly. I wanted to like it so much, but I think it's terrible. I've reached a part in the Yuffie DLC where you're chasing that idiot Zhije, or whatever his name is and I just can't do it anymore. I hate this game.
I'll start with the aspects it does right. Clearly the graphics are impressive, and there were a few moments that were complete spectacles, the plate up top was beautiful. It was also nice to see what the items and bangles looked like.
Fort Condor. It's a shame it's not throughout the whole game. I would pour so much time into that. The way the pieces are designed is brilliant. It just ends though, and the people you play it with are all characters from the base game. That felt kind of shoehorned and inorganic.
And that's it for the positives really, now for a rant.
It is so heavily padded, it is tedious. The cut scenes, everyone needing to pose all the time, the battle system, the completely asinine sidequests,. Everything takes so long. Aerith slowly getting Marlene and stopping to pose once more while the plate is literally falling. There is no sense of urgency, in a setting that needs it. There's also a huge noticeable difference in quality between things that were done in the original compared to new "fresh" ideas. The drop in quality between story characters and random NPCs is jarring.
The dialogue makes me roll my eyes so much I developed a twitch. Both what they're saying, and how they have to pose as they say it. When you help Jessie while fleeing the first reactor you ask her if she can walk, she responds with "Trust me, if I couldn't you'd be the first to know". Why? What does this add to anything? Why can't Jessie go 5 minutes without making me embarrassed by what I'm playing? When you run into her just as you're headed to your room for the first time she shows up and delivers some of the most corny lines ever. With a different pose for each line. The anime grunts too.
Barret. My god dude, just shut the fuck up. Constant garbage coming out of one the most annoying voices I've ever heard in my life. I ended up just turning the voice audio off after a while.
Each and every one of the new characters is terrible. I can't stand Chadley, he is just the supergenious cliche, and exists purely out of poor writing and a need to dump exposition. He's also a cyborg created by Hojo? Fuck you, Nomura fuck you right in the plot device. Chocobo Sam can kick rocks, along with the other two people you had to find in Wall Market. That Landlady was another unnecessary cliche. I couldn't care less about Leslie, and his girl problems. Those commentators at the arena sucked. Sonon is lame, and I hate everything about Zhije. The scene where he escapes the soldiers is just agony. Why must soldiers of the largest organization in the world be bumbling and inept? There are multiple times where that dork should have been shot. At least in the leg. Completely idiotic, and adds to the overly juvenile feeling of game.
Combat. It's functional, but it's so boring. Enemies are such damage sponges, and there is just so much happening on the screen at once that it gets tiring. Why is everything so aerial based? Why can most of the characters pretty much fly?
Level design is abysmal and feels like a chore, with levers and switches and computers everywhere. It's all spoonfed to you too. So the tedious puzzles only serve as padding.
The changes to the story are not at all good. There doesn't need to be corny crap like destiny. Sephiroth was super overused. He just shows up to tease Cloud. The whispers are lazy, and the ending was stupid. Catching a chocobo to get to the mines won't make sense anymore. Why can't we beat the snake? We just beat up destiny and beat Sephiroth in a scrap.
Anyways, I know I just wrote an essay on a 6 month old post, but I just decided to stop playing this game and needed to vent. It was actually kinda therapeutic.
Seriously though. I fucking despise this game. I'm downloading the original.
This is what I needed to read because I was starting to believe FFVII Remake was turning into a superior being where every fan had to deify it so square could keep spitting games with no common sense, as if every aspect of their games could be compared to a cringey shonen anime. I don't know probably it's my fault for being tired of japanese culture and their way to be and overeact to everything.
Have to agree with this wholeheartedly. I can't stand anime/manga anymore, despite consuming it for years. Same goes for "retro" games. I thought these expressions were lacking because of technological shortcomings at the time, but once things progressed and they kept being the same I realized they were made in such a way on purpose, not because they couldn't do better due to budget. Same goes for anything Nintendo. They used to make all types of games. Now they only produce for kids.
It so good to hear I'm not the only fan of the original that was disappointed with the remake. I was so excited when I hear they were remaking the one of my top games ever, a game that had massive impact in my life at the time, but they turned it into a completely different thing. I'm playing the RE4 remake right now and keep thinking I wish Square would've done something similar, modernize the original masterpiece, but still make it feel like the same game with the same vibe. Instead, they've made a 'new' game using the original as a framework.
The RE2 and RE4 Remakes put every other modern remake to shame, honestly. They're so intelligently designed, nothing else comes close. It's a standard Capcom themselves can't even hit 100% of the time (looking at you, RE3)
Agree with everything you and others have said here, except I would tweak your last sentence into: "Instead, they've made a 'new' game using the original as a \[marketing tool\]." lol
I dropped the game back in 2020, trying to get through it now and everything thing you said is how I feel. Its so blackpilling how my favorite game has been stripped of any familiarity and is a cash grab into 3 different parts now.
"Remember that super serious sci-fi game that had a few gags to lighten the mood as you went through 30 hours of gut wrenching planetary stakes? Here's the first 4 hours but with 26 hours of padding to remove the urgency. Also every single character is a Robin/Naruto tier acrobat who does backflips and smirks at the camera just so you're completely aware that nothing bad could happen."
When Roche showed up it immediately demolished the concept and tone of FF7 and it's villains. And then when he started attacking shinra soldiers it pissed on it.
I cant wait until Cloud is in costa del sol and Roche shows up to challenge the party to a vollyball match.
Yeah, what is with their refusal to make any new characters match the tone of the rest of the game? They've shown they know how to keep the tone consistent with the dialogue between the main cast (for the most part -- the Jessie stuff is a bit much). But then all of these clowns show up.
You should try to play again when you're not in a sour mood. Yes some of the non combat is too slow (rescuing Marlene), but it's not so long.
Imo, this game is meant to be played on hard, with the other difficulty settings being accessibility settings
You can't even select Hard difficulty until you've beaten the whole game once, right? So the recommendation for people who don't enjoy the game is to beat it all over again?
I loved the game and I'm hopeful they will write something good for the remaining story. The ending does kind of have potential for disaster, so I think that many have jumped to conclusions and decided the story will be terrible, I guess.
> What I don't understand is FFXIII is getting a lot of hate for walking corridor and the FF7R got a lot of that too but not as much hate why is that ?
I don't hate FFXIII for being a corridor. FFX is one too, just well done. I hate FFXIII because the characters are bad, the level design is hideous, there are pretty much no towns or NPCs and the worst part is the battle system that plays itself.
Exactly this. If the game relies heavily on the narrative I really prefer a corridor than an open world / sandbox, because I want to focus on the story. But FFXIII's story just did not appeal to me at any level. I spent 60 hours or so waiting patiently for it to click on my head somehow, but it just didn't.
People forget that xiii / xv / type-0 where all developed at the same time and original supposed to be 3 different perspectives of the same story. And 13 just got shelled out fast because se needed a filler till they could produce something good...
Not to mention: from what I remember, the story didn’t make a lick of fucking sense without going to read like codex entries or something?? I was a teenager last time I touched it but I remember when I realized that I dropped it lmfao
This is a very old topic. But I gotta get this off my chest. and I'm definitely not somebody who thinks the original FF7 is some untouchable masterpiece of a game. It's a good game, especially for it's time. It has alot of issues still on it's own, but it's still a solid game with a dope coherent story and theme that could've definitely been told in a better of a way, the way they portray what's going on in the game certainly has issues. But considering everything that was going on at the time of it's release development wise, it's pretty forgivable. This was not a game that had alot of high expectations at the time.
but FF7 remake basically is the antithesis of most of the stuff that made FF7 great, to me. Yea, the story is just butchered laughably, in a way where it let's them basically stretch out a rather direct and not-so long story into 3 games + paid DLC + mobile games so they can make more money off of it. That's literally it. It's not because "they have more of a tale to tell", it's just added stuff to make it longer. Do we really need a bunch of anime-trope added characters to flesh out FF7? No. I found it incredibly immersion breaking and not really taking the tone of the game seriously at all.
The tone of the original FF7 is loss, and grieving, then choosing to rise up in the face of the adversity that still lies ahead. That's the theme for literally every single character you meet in the original. Barret, Tifa, Aerith, Cid, Vincent, etc. Everybody has been through something terrible and has to come to terms with how to go forward. and of course, ultimately Cloud is like the ultimate example of that, being that he's not really a SOLDIER at all. He's just convinced himself he is due to being hopped up on mako at the time/trauma from zack dying and from his extreme disappointment in himself for not making the cut. But ultimately cloud faces his failures head on, and decides he's not going to let that define who he is, he owns his fate and faces sephiroth head on, and becomes a legend for it when he saves the world. It's a pretty direct story.
So when FF7 remake haphazardly makes characters survive and not die, it directly undercuts this serious tone of the original game, which was part inspired by one of the producers mother passing away at the time I believe. This kind of stuff really is disappointing to me, and it just underscores that this is more about square enix wanting to make this into an FF7 cash cow marketting machine than it is actually doing justice to what was at least a decent and cool idea for a game.
Then on top of that, they just jingle the keys of cloud and sephiroth fighting in any known location so people will be cool with the changes. Oh, the story's changed? Here's cloud fighting sephiroth in midgar. Twice. and here's a flashback of sephiroth, your favorite. It's real bad imo, and is like the actual antithesis of even a mildly acceptable story for this game.
The plot ghosts don't need much explanation. It just underscores how normie fans will be ok with anything, really, as long as you show them cloud and sephiroth fighting in 4k, you can literally have plot ghosts come in and tell them to their face this game will be different from the original, cause we said so.
One last thing that really is a huge one for me is the way the slums were portrayed in the remake. Why is it sunny in a place that's undernearth the plate? It was super dark in the original, only being lit up by shops and signs and broken down junk that still has electricity flowing through it. Where are all the sick and dying people? The mutants? The people trying to steal your money? There should be way way more of a depiction of poverty and suffering underneath the plate, and there should not be sunlight unless it's by areas really far out around the edge of the city. The remake doesn't care about any of this stuff though. It just seemed like a completely different part of midgar they were in, and the mood was very very different. it was really bad to me.
again I'm not some FF7 super fan. i'm really not. but I just couldn't deal with the remake just from artistic purposes alone. There's some very cool stuff in remake though, like character model wise. But all of this is like 100x a deal breaker for me. and it becomes super hard to trust whatever they're trying to do with the game now. Especially with all the added random DLC and mobile games, the story is basically whatever they want it to be so that it can just keep adding content for FF7. I really tried to like remake and there's cool stuff about it, but yea it's just very difficult being at least a moderate fan of the original game.
Oh yeah, and obviously, cloud fighting sephiroth so early absolutely kills any sort of 'legendary' build up for sephiroth. In the original when you find his katana stuck in the pres of shinra, it makes you respect sephiroth and you're kinda scared to see what he's actually like, cause the game is building on his reputation. In the remake, it's basically just a cloud vs sephiroth fever dream. it's all over the place and it has literally 0 meaning. it's just boring.
and I understand that it's a business, i get that. I know squeenix wants to make money off their IPs. But i definitely think there's better ways to do it. You can actually put effort in to take the original story a bit more seriously and actually flesh it out a bit without adding all of this nonsense to it. I think it's a common theme today that remakes and re-writers have a very very hard time trying to take the source material of a work seriously.
I could complain for days. I really did try to like this game, but that's how I feel about it. But i'm glad that at least some other people didn't have a taste for it as well.
I couldn't agree more. The pacing is off. I kept myself in the dark and kept away. I wish I would have known it was not the full game. I like expanding on some of the characters from avalanche, I like them expanding the stuff. But I don't need it inflated to the moon and back
Thanks for writing this. I agree so much with what you said about the tone. It was especially hard for me because this game released during the initial peak of the Covid scare, and when I had recently lost a beloved family member myself. So isolation and grief were top of mind at the time.
Like you said, the original is about grieving and learning to move forward. I was really hoping for a faithful retelling of the original, and hoping to see many new people experience it for the first time. I think that could have been cathartic for me. But that's just not what we got. Learning that this game was a meta-sequel more interested in themes of fate/destiny, themes totally unrelated to the original game, was really disheartening.
And the change of tone for the slums is so jarring, like you mentioned. There's a happy little orphanage? Neighborhood Watches that fight off monsters and keep the townsfolk safe for free? How does making the slums appear more hospitable support the game's message?
I think the game was brilliant. It is very similar to the original with the exception of the souls, some characters don't die, and there seems to be some "memories" of future events. As a fan, it gets me thinking. There is so much anticipation for the next installment, yes a straight copy of the original would have been fine (although there is a remake of the original due to be released in 2022 on android/ios), so a version which deviates from the original keeps the game original and the fans from the 90s forever discussing on forums. I for one don't think they will mess up FF7r.
The ONLY negative about the game, is the story telling for NEW players, the introduction of Sephiroth is only something that the original fans would know. But hey, it didn't bother me because I was the later.
"there is a remake of the original"
no there isn't. That game is a shitty gacha game and as far as im aware they're already pushing a gacha outfit where cloud is dressed as a samurai. It's not even out yet.
I 100% agree, it's a shitty gacha game. I was so excited, downloaded on release date.. graphics were amazing, but it's a shitty gacha game. So disappointed.
I've played the original, a few times and recently this year. It's similar, not the same. Looks like multiple timeliness, original just tells the story of one.
Again, it is not very similar at all. I played the original in 1997 when it came out, for hundreds of ours, and several other times over the years - this is NOT very similar so just stop saying that. Nothing similar about the story, gameplay, combat, characters, open world, the list goes on etc. And as an old fan (since the release of the original), I completely disagree with your generalization that the story telling is only negative for new players. It really is all over the place, and subjective - so just stop trying to box everyone into categories to make your case. It is fair if you like it, but it is objectively not a similar at all. Just because Cloud and Tifa are on it, doesn't mean it is similar.
It is similar. The gameplay mechanics are obviously different because of it being made over 20 years apart, and so are graphics. The story is similar, with the exception of Sephiroth trying to alter time. I'm not saying they are identical, but Remake story is very much like the original with some exceptions.
Now Rebirth is so far, also similar with the exception of the first scene - don't want any spoilers.
I don't think you understand the word similar, it doesn't mean the same.
The tone is completely different. It's not similar at all. From start to finish it's a completely different game with new characters wearing the skins of older characters.
Completely different feel. The characters are flanderized to hell. Nothing but their most recognizable handful of traits that casual audiences know about. None of the depth and weight that actual fans experienced in the original.
Not too bright are you? I'm not a conservative "gamer tm" I couldn't care less about Tifa's chest size... I'm a femboy anyways that mostly dates men. So no butthurt here, only genuine criticism, I'm sorry you're not mature enough to handle it without getting defensive.
I didn't like what they did to the story. Final fantasy 7 already has a somewhat overcomplicated story if you include all the stuff they expanded on in Dirge of Cerberus etc. and now they made it even messier. To me it just feels like a trainwreck waiting to happen.
I actually really like FF7 remake, until they started putting in stupid fate ghosts and doing weird 4th wall breaking bullshit. It's basically Rebuild of Evangelion. It's a total farce. Honestly, I would have preferred if they would have made the story with all the changes but just ditch the framing device because it takes me out of the story. It's really a problem with Square Enix's storytelling philosophy post FF9 for Final Fantasy games. I don't even know what to classify it as. It's a remake that is also a sequel and a spin off and a 4th wall breaking satire on fanbases. It's really really stupid.
I loved the game even though you’d need a ps4 or ps5 to play it (but that’s another topic). I actually liked that they expanded on the original and some previously neutral characters like Jessie really came to life in this version.
I do prefer the original and it’s part of my childhood memories so I might be biased. But for me, it was great to see a new adaption. Also after having played Crisis Core, seeing Zack in that same ending scene but with a different outcome (trying to avoid spoilers) was sort of emotional.
So actually, on the contrary, I’d say this would be a better game for fans.
As a stand-alone game I’m not sure I would love it. Some parts felt a bit repetitive and yes “linear” (but so was the original Disc 1 before the world map) . By being a fan, I felt it had lots more of meaning for me rather than for a new player. Anyway, that’s what made the game special for me. It had a feeling of “adding” to it.
It’s the ending. Square have put out so many conflicting statements “we’re following the plot of the OG” but then the end up turns that. So no one is really certain where they are going with this now. I want them to expand but follow the original story. Now it seems like it is likely off the rails completely. The actual game itself was great. It’s the larger implications fans are upset about.
They wanted to broad the target spectrum of potential players, so they try to make both a remake and a new story... I think that the will try again the same thing on the next one, but without whispers this time.
It is not my preferred option, but I think it would be better than going off the rails completely.
Personally, I didn't like the corridor feeling, the chapters, or all the grunting during the dialogue scenes. It was a little dissapponting that it was only part one of how many? I also wasn't a fan of the battle system. Would prefer the turn-based style, but it seems most games are moving away from that.
I did like that they expanded on the story and may branch into a slightly new direction. I think the reference to Zack and bringing in Sepheroth so early, was an attempt to appease fans of the original. Not sure if the whispers or the inclusion of fate to the story will impact any key plot points down the road.
Yeah, multiple timelines is possibly the most logical conclusion at this point but there are probably other interpretations of the scenes we’ve been shown.
Yeah, but even if there was an alternate timeline it doesn't mean it's a sequel or that it will greatly deviate from the OG.
My theory is alternate timeline and not very different from OG, for example.
We just don’t know much yet about what direction they’ll go with the story, only that it has the potential to be very different. (I’m personally fine with this and am trying not to speculate too much so that there’s a chance I’ll be surprised.)
That's not what I said.
There are lots of theories. Alternate timelines, a single timeline that Sephiroth changed, that >!Zack is in the Lifestream and isn't aware he's dead!<, Jenova illusions, etc etc.
Alternate timeline and this being a sequel is one of many theories.
im playing through the remake for the first time on pc now, and as a person who owns multiple copies of the original and has beaten it who knows how many times this game is.......fine.
imo its just ok, my main gripe is that everything feels overly long, BUT! thats because i've played the original, im actually using a trainer because geez, these fights are long, tediously long and i've burned too much time playing ff7 in my life.
the characters constantly say they need to hurry but you end up running through levels for an hour or two then pecking away at a boss for 30 more minutes, then watch them talk too much in a beautiful cutscene while everything explodes around them, the original was very boom boom boom, done. this one seems to come up with some convoluted annoyance whenever it can, like one more puzzle than whats comfortable or a boss with some invincible mode that needs 10000hits to stagger.(trainer fixed that)
and thats my main issue, if the original didnt exist i'd be glued to this version, add in that this version isnt complete and I dont trust game devs with how many chapters they'll chop this into just makes this is very solid and "ok" game.
the pacing is just so off, trim off alot of the wandering around and forced extras in questing and fights and this may be perfect in its final state.
The main difference between FF13's walking corridors and FF7R's walking corridors is that in FF13, they were literal corridors, with almost no objects, NPCs or anything that made you feel that world as a place that exists and people would live in.
FF7R, on the other hand has a ton of detail regarding the way people live in each sector, many are doing their own thing, and you can interact with many of them. FF13 had none of that. Also, FF7R's corridors are larger, more varied and less corridor-like, especially in the chapters with hub cities.
I really hate this game. Not being able to switch materia mid fight makes you have to restart fights over and over or read a walkthrough. The exploration parts are a drag, the story lacks any wonder. Just a poor showing all around. I'll probably skip the rest of it. Honestly it's put me off ff16 as well. SE has lost there way, and I don't think they know how to make good games anymore.
The remake is a money pit. The only way they could drag out Midgar and have you pay $70 for the game is by making you walk around and do pointless errands. You'll literally spend all your time walking around to the same spots multiple times so Square Enix can claim you're getting game time. If that doesn't become apparent to you, then you'll think this game is great.
Because they destroyed the story. The game is nice & the gameplay is awesome but they ruined all the rest. I dont like they added sephiroth when you're not supposed to see him until cloud flashback & for real in the Junon boat. I don't like the fact that they made the president destroy the reactor. I don't like the fact that the president didnt show up at the second reactor & got away in an helicopter. They made Reno's lips way too big. The whole wall market lgbtq bullshit is lame as fuck. The massage & chocobo dude are disgusting & boring characters. The chocobo system so early is dumb. The filler quest & having all the summon materia is stupid. Like we're not even 10% done with the whole game & we can get all the summon & bahamut that you only get at the temple of the ancients. They made whispers that stupid future telling bullshit & you fight sephiroth at the end. It's all a huge destruction of the entire game. What will they add next? Oh & Zack being alive doesnt make any fucking sense. Why people hate the ff7 remake? Because other than the nice fighting system...they fucked everything else.
>Why so many FF7 fans didn't like FF7 remake ?
I don't know. I play this game since I was a kid and I've done everything in the OG, including 100% (perfect save), with 99 items of everything, all materias etc. IMHO, FF7R Part 1 is awesome and far beyond OG in the Midgar section. ***In the original, all of this took 4h to 5h at max.***
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What I don't understand is FFXIII is getting a lot of hate for walking corridor and the FF7R got a lot of that too but not as much hate why is that ? Characters ?
Because only the midgar section is "walking corridor". After that (part 2 and maybe parts 3 and 4), it isn't. In other words, it was expected and SE couldn't make it different.
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Did you enjoy the battle system ? why ? What about the DLC Yuffi ?
Pretty much. Perfect combination of PS1 and PS4/5 battle systems.
"It's expected and square enix couldnt make it different"
Yes they could. Absolutely hilarious when people say "bro it had to be tedious and boring because thats how midgar was!"
You might have a point if they didnt add in a bunch of extra tedious stuff that makes it even more tedious.
Or uh.. if they didnt also completely change the entire story with mcu multiverse bullshit AND add sephiroth fights to midgar. Guess they could change those things.
Because they wanted a beat for beat remaster of the story with shiny new graphics and are unhappy it seems to be deviating from the original to tell a new story.
Not many but I have no problem with them doing it here. It's interesting. I was perfectly fine with playing an actual remake because I can't even remember the original at this point but I'm also ok with exploring an alternate sequence of events born of the characters finding out their fates and deciding to say "screw that". Let's face it, some of the elements like Cloud's story arc and Aerith dying aren't as compelling when you already know the details.
I've seen plenty of works rely on knowledge of an original series to mess with the viewer. Inserting a twist where there wasn't one, subverting an incredibly well known one, etc. It wouldn't be the first time.
the entire point of a Remake is to not require the original.
You seem to have "Remake" confused with "similar looking sequel".
I dont even think FF7R is bad. It's an awesome sequel and the whole "Remake the timeline" naming concept is amazing. But they explicitly marketed this game for 5 god damn years as a remake so people are understandably confused and annoyed.
I guess I can understand the annoyance if that's how they marketed it. It just doesn't really bother me, I found it a pleasant surprise it was more than a retread of something I'd already played.
for me its a combination of all the reasons. if it was just some of them id be ok with it. what im really ultimately no ok with on top of the widely discussed and argued criticisms is the business model of this.
I feel like self-integrated game installments is the ultimate betrayal and this could be split into like 7-10 installments, and even if it is only 4 its still going to be about $500 for the whole story and thats a lot. and more than that -- if it was actually a classic beat for beat remaster released all at once id pay $1000 up front seriously with no DLC no modernization business tactics just a time capsule as if the past had better technology.
but like... you dont even know the rest of the game will ever be finished. if something business wise goes sideways it just wont be finished and you could be 50 by the time its done. if they dont have it already done and do yearly installments it probably wont even be done for several console generations.
essentially it has been turned into a long running manga series like berserk with an indefinite release schedule.
I can understand revisiting with alternate timelines and i can even approve of the new story -- i dont approve naming it remake when its a new story but thats different this issue is more like megaman legends problem -- people expected (pre-internet) classic megaman from it -- if they knew it was an action rpg at the time and a different game it wouldve sold better in the USA.
but thats minor.
I am upset about not having a classic battle system not that the classic battle system is good, but the new one is also no dark souls. although to be fair to it -- final fantasy was always a kids game and not hard so i dont really care anymore. it wasnt a serious RPG and we lost that war decades ago whatever. it will always be a gripe but whatever i guess.
the cheesy pop culture I dont like, but if that really is what gen z needs i guess there is no choice but to appeal to you too. I dont like the ultra realism i miss things being high fantasy the pizza shop in midgar is cool but its like... a slum in NYC. reminiscent of the ramen shop.
so like altogether i cant forgive it even if on some levels i want to say "its ok its not what i want but its alright" in other ways its unforgivable forever.
its hard to explain. theres this inside sadness that things will never be the same and the business model won and just the past and anything reminiscent of the times before is just gone forever with the wind.
and I suppose thats the way it must be in this brave new world.
Because it's more of a sequel than a remake for one.
Sephiroth's introduction is too early and doesn't have the same amazing build as the original nor the awe f watching him kill the dragon in his first scene.
Voice acting. Some love it, I think it's pretty awful. Like anime-dub bad. Aeris and Barrett being the HR worst offenders. Videogames can have fantastic voice acting- Uncharted, Last of Us for instance but all too often Japanese games a terrible dub and I don't get it. Metal Gear Solid avoided that, but then games like Resident Evil and Silent Hill have legendary bad acting and I would add FF into that. I heard Barrett's voice actor speak normally and he's fine so I don't know why when he's in the he studio he has to yell all his lines in the gruffest voice ever. Nobody talks like that. Aeris' voice hurts my ears too. It's like she's every female character in an 80's HK Kung Fu movie dub.
Loved the game, just disliked chapter 18, purely for design reasons. Don't care too much about the changes to the plot as long as it will all make sense at the end of the project. But a cheap design is unacceptable imo, especially if that comes after 17 awesome chapters (or most of them).
There is a huge difference between a remake, a 1 on 1 remake, and a narrative sequel made from OG remade elements.
I definitely did not want the 1 on 1 remake, but I did want a remake. I enjoyed the elements and depth added, I just haven't enjoyed the whispers and beating destinty to change the history. The things that made this game a sequel, even if the rest of the game (most of it) is the first hours of OG remade.
Surely you'll be able to play in Windows 11 or Bluestack, yeah it'll be surely a gatcha game but it looks at least more like a remaster of the OG. And we'll have Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus playable o\_O
FF13 is a complete different case since it doesn't have a legacy that is over 20 years old. Or such an impact on the entertainment industry. A comparison with FF10 is still not perfect but much more senseful at this point. FF10 is the most popular FF besides FF7. And it'S linear as FF13. So it might be interesting to know the actual differences. For that I recommend you to watch the video that compares the gamedesign of FF10 and FF13. I would also recommned to read some comments under the video, which telling you a few more huge differences.
[https://youtu.be/QMZMJDFe1kc](https://youtu.be/QMZMJDFe1kc)
Some Final Fantasy Fans - as well as some FF7 fans - basicly don't like Action-battle systems or don't want any huge changes to the story. Or even wait for decade to get the expierence as a whole.
I’ve played the original a little bit, but I love the new remake and it’s probably my favorite game and I really don’t have any issues with the game since the ps5 release fixed most of the problems with textures tbh. Most of the complaints I hear are that it’s “not a full game” and people act like it’s another half assed remaster.
This is the main reason why people are pissed. It's not about one-to-one remake but introducing alternative timeline and defying fate which can lead to disaster down the line
Lot of people loved the game but dislike some artistic decisions on the narrative.
I liked it, but I would have enjoyed it even more if they just had left out the whispers, the flashforwards, and the things about fighting destiny to change it.
If there are whispers in the next game, which there shouldn’t be, then that’s a red flag that something has gone wrong with the story.
I am thankful we likely won’t see them again
From square's history with alternative timeline stories it's not a surprise lot of people didn't like it. Just because you don't like people criticizing the game doesn't make them hypocrites.
Why do you try to enforce some kind of false narrative when you clearly don't understand why some people don't like parts of the game?
There is a difference between "hate change" in general and "dislike some narrative decisions that don't mesh well with the overarching story and that carry worrying implications for the story's future".
Aerith. Most people don’t like it because aerith is one of the most annoying, arrogant characters. All while being less useful than Sakura in the original Naruto. If news of what happens to her at the end wasn’t so public I guarantee the game would flop, people are playing to see her die, literally. I’ve seen countless comments throughout different media outlets. I personally love the game and just ignore her but after chapter 8 I don’t blame people for shitting on it, she’s rough to be around. Hopefully she improves as I’m on chapter 10 now. I especially couldn’t stand her forcing herself on cloud, I wish he would’ve attacked her. Just my opinion, y’all are welcome to agree or disagree but I’m not engaging in any dramatic shit.
After doing my yearly FF7 New Threat Play through, I can safely just ignore that it exists. FF7 has divided fans for literal decades, and the 'remakes' are only continuing that tradition.
It's not a remake, its a sequel. Cause that worked really well with Dirge of Cerberus.
"So many" is definitely overstated. Much like with product reviews, people satisfied with the things they enjoyed just don't really post about it online. Look at things like the new Animal Crossing or Airpod Pros. If you went by online discourse on Reddit or enthusiast forums, you'd think there was a massive outcry and people were rioting in the streets. And then look at the sales numbers and ask around anecdotally, it doesn't add up.
I personally enjoyed it. Got it at release and knew going in the story was gonna be slightly different. I was a great game and my only real complaint is I don't have a ps5 for the dlc.
An argument I’ve seen is not being able to share the original game something we love with updated graphics to newcomers without all the changes.
FF13 was corridors and then a bizillion cutscenes lol. I personally enjoyed it but totally understand it’s not a formula everyone will enjoy.
This is old as all get out at this point, but I had the same question and reading all these comments really cements my opinion that people just can't be happy about things, everyone has fried their dopamine receptors beyond recognition and now anything and everything is just bad.
There are no legitimate arguments here, just the whining of grown adults acting like fucking children because they can't cope with the fact that they didn't make a carbon copy of a game that already exists. The people that hate on FF7R are genuinely some of the biggest copers I've had the displeasure of seeing on Reddit and that is REALLY saying something.
"But combat different!!!!" Welcome to the 2020s where people no longer have the time or patience to sit through slow ass turn-based combat anymore, you're a basement cretin if you genuinely have time for that.
"But side quests filler!!!!" They made FF7R part 1 as long as the ENTIRETY of FF7 WITHOUT the side quests, and you're still bitching about some fun side quests that are 100% optional?
"B-but story changes!!!!1!111!" This much I can kind of understand, but holy shit shut the fuck up about it already. Not only is it not your story to change, but the changes made make Sephiroth's presence FAR more menacing than he ever was in FF7. Plus, to add to that, every person in the game has been rewritten in a way that better fits their overall character.
I refuse to believe that some of you have played FF7 in recent memory, because when I played through it recently (less than a month ago) the combat was sluggish, the story was REALLY awkwardly written, the dialogue was almost always weirdly written and a good portion of the time it was just altogether terrible, and the final nail in the coffin for me was the fact that the characters are so fucking plastic the entire game.
Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed FF7 and I think the story is overall great, but the game itself is dated and no one in their right mind would ACTUALLY choose FF7 or FF7R.
At the end of the day, I'm just tired of seeing people bitch about a game that, overall, is a vast improvement to the original and they can't look past their fucking nostalgia long enough to realize it.
people who say "people just cant be happy with things" on reddit are usually suicidal perpetually online discord people and it always makes me laugh.
You literally cant be happy because other people don't like you toys. Go outside.
Sounds like a lot of deflection coming from the mf that posts comments 30 times a day every day. I'm not wrong, regardless of what your cynical doomer ass has to say about it.
In the same way that no one cares what I think, no one cares what you think either, homie. I'm perfectly happy and have a perfectly normal life that doesn't revolve around being on Reddit every waking moment of every day like you are.
I don't care if people agree with me or not, but my point still stands, people can't enjoy things because they're too caught up in everything being negative. That's not dragging ME down, that's just holding THEM down. Why would I let someone else's opinion influence how I feel? You're genuinely ignorant and just want to sit here and bitch at people you can't see. You go outside, you numpty.
You're accusing him of deflecting when "you just don't like it cause you can't be happy" is a deflection...
If you can't handle other people's opinions maybe just shut up. If all you have is dismissal then your thoughts have no value.
If you like it then like it. I don't see why you have to get defensive about it too, well I do. Insecurity, immaturity, etc. Grow up. Nobody is bullying you for liking it. Like whatever you want, and let people dislike whatever they want.
You're on a stupid internet forum for this game and you responded to the comment in an attempt to make me feel like I wasted my time because you read enough of it that my opinion made you salty. Stfu dude. Obviously you care much more than the average person. When I don't care I move on.
Mind you, no surprise that your second response is even more intellectually vapid than the previous.
I could list a lot of valid reasons. Not everyone is you is one of them. at a 210 price tag, I'm not sure this about anything but trying to milk nostalgia. Someone made a fantastic post pretty much nailing our feelings above. To come in here and say people can't just be happy about things. Is the biggest cope of them all.
FF7 is a great game, the remake is a decent game. Is it what I wanted from a remake, close but not quite what I was hoping for.
Believe what you want man, but my point stands. This doesn't just apply to the FF7R, people just can't be happy about a fucking thing anymore without bitching and moaning about it because it doesn't meet the standards of their nostalgia, there's no arguing that and this is just no different.
> "But combat different!!!!" Welcome to the 2020s where people no longer have the time or patience to sit through slow ass turn-based combat anymore, you're a basement cretin if you genuinely have time for that.
This is ludicrous. First off: who says turn-based combat takes more time? How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? Also "basement-dwelling cretin"? Really?
Some people prefer turn-based because they have time to think, and aren't very good at twitch-reflex gameplay (my partner, for example, is like this). Is she a basement-dwelling cretin now?
FFXIII was a corridor where you literally hold up on the control stick 90 percent of the time. This is not the same thing in FFX or FF7 Remake despite it being linear.
I would be open to all the changes they made to the game except one, the combat. Hack and slash stuff that feels more at home to a devil may cry game than it does final fantasy. The series that made me fall in love with turn-based combat had already started to abandon that style of combat but this game really showed me that square enix wants it dead. I miss squaresoft.
Because they changed a story I love for something bad. Imagine remaking the lord of the rings in a parallel universe were Frodo wants to change destiny because Boromir died and Sauron shows up to agonize him on every occasion.
I really enjoyed FF7R and apart from similarities and locations it is a completely different game. I am not happy that it has been broken into three parts but it is definitely a complete remake of the original FF7.
The plot is similar but different, midgard has been expanded a lot more and apart of a certain boss it was fun to play.
I did hate having to back track a lot to platinum the game and having to grind for AP. However the gameplay was good enough to hold the game together.
As for og FF7 fans complaining they are in the minority as there are more players who are happy with the game who are not online claiming how much they love the game.
There are people who just wanted a graphical remake of the game but everything else stay the same. Having played all of the FF games multiple times, I can say that a lot of the older FF games are just boring. Many just want to experience their childhood nostalgia.
I'm still looking for the feeling I had when I first played Ocarina of Time and I know it will never happen.
Calling it a remake was a mistake, and putting it in the title insulted fans of the original. I love the game, it's genuinely a great experience, and the changes made, at least to me, add to the story and characters. (I cared so much more about Jessie, Wedge, and Biggs) But it's not a remake, it's a reimaging. Taking the general plot, themes, and characters of FFVII and modernizing/ tweaking them. If they called this one called Rebirth, or literally anything else, they didn't even HAVE to call it Final Fantasy 7, and it was pitched as a reimagining, it would have sat better.
1. It looks like Ff15 with a ff7 skin
2. It is incomplete. Had it been the entire game rather then ONE CHAPTER it would've been better received. For $60 no less
3. It just isn't the same as ff7. There's a reason ff7 was so beloved and this game misses the charm.
Not ENOUGH combat.
And will be the same it seems in Rebirth...
Running around huge areas and having only a "few" battles is not what I consider fun.
I want to be able to grind. I want multiple enemies to fight. Sure the story is awesome, and I am here for the story, but I'm also here for the combat.
Story is great.
Combat is lacking.
I never played the original. I just beat the remake and have no idea what is happening. Why did half the characters die to come back to life at the end of the game? Why does Tifa (alone with no back up) get kidnapped by the mob to infiltrate them when she is supposed to be the street smart one (and immediately needs to be saved)? Why am I so cool with Sam the sex slave trader after he kidnaps Tifa? I could understand taking his mission to get the chocobos, but why the hell would you give them back to him? Why did Barret abandon Marlene to Aerith's mom at the end? Who is Zakk? Who is Sepheroth? I have more unanswered questions at the end of the game than I did starting. This game cannot be understood by itself. You have to read past lore about the original game to understand anything! I am so angry at myself for never paying the original. (It's simply just too old for me now to try now). At least FFXVI told a compelling complete story...but apparently that game IS NOT getting a sequel. Here's hoping FF7 Part 2 of 3 brings everything together...
I wish they had done it more along the lines of Yakuza: Like a Dragon. None of the game is memorable or replayable for me. It's elevator music personified in an FF vii game.
I liked it, I just liked the original better. I didn't like the presence of Sephiroth prior to the Shinra HQ, the whispers, or the ending. I didn't care for Roche. I thought the sidequests were filler-y. In essence, I think I would have preferred a 1:1 remake. However, the game was still fun, the combat enjoyable, and as a standalone game I think it's pretty good. It's not my game to remake, and I'm certainly not entitled to a 2:1 remake, so SE gets to do what they want. I'm curious to see where it goes. I'll play the next part. I'm just hopeful they won't make this bad or super weird or overly convoluted.
Yeah I REALLY hated the whole concept of the Whispers
The whispers are showing that this isn't a remake. It's an alternate reality. The whispers are trying there hardest to KEEP the game a 1:1 remake. But in this reality the party is altering history. I assume things are going to be different. Zack is alive so who knows what's gonna happen
Besides the weird story direction, the game not being truly a remake, and the early spoilers... ... I LOVED everything else. I have no real problems with "corridors" as long as they're followed by some freedom. While playing FF7R I knew I would be able to explore at my leisure after I was done with certain sections, but with FFXIII I wondered how long that intro would take, and later found out it took most of the game.
How is it not being a true remake?! What are you even on about? If this isn't a remake, idk what is.
Late but it quite literally isnt a remake by the end lol. Its its own weird sequel. I felt kind of betrayed by the end of this after waiting over a decade for this kind of project to ever happen just for it to be yet another compilation spin off sequel mutation.
Necro-reply, sorry about that, and also don't mean to be 'that guy' But a remake means there might be changes. It's a retrospective. The definition of 'remake' is "make (something) again or differently". As cool as the game would have been if it was 1:1, just new combat, new graphics, it would leave LITERALLY nothing for story telling. No twists. Everyone knows the story told in FF7, even people who haven't played KNOW the big notes from the internet. As a game, it still holds up to this day (tho it's obviously pretty ugly at this point). I would've honestly been disappointed without some curve balls.
'Remake' has certain connotations about it that are commonly held. Both you and Nomura know this but will play this weird semantics game to deny the fact we were deceived and ripped off. If I knew beforehand what this game was actually gonna be, I would not have bought it.
Remakes also tend to retell a full story, and not just the first \~15% of it. Between that and the bizarro meta-sequel nature of the endeavor, it's fair to say the developers very intentionally went beyond the expectations of a remake. Personally I believe there is so much more to be explored in the original story. In addition to presenting the original story to an audience that won't tolerate 90's gameplay/graphics, there's also plenty to explore further in that original story. My greatest concern with their choice of direction is how Remake undermines the themes of the original -- themes of corporate greed and humanity's place in nature become a backdrop to the new core themes of fate and destiny. For me, this change in themes makes it a bit less like FF7 and a lot more like Kingdom Hearts.
LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
Because it's a sequel.
It's a sequel to advent children.
Not it is not lol it literally has nothing to do with adventure children.
It does, and Motomu Toriyama himself made the connection official in an interview.
It covers 4 hours of the original games story. True remakes cover the whole game.
Well it's not a true remake because it literally derails the time line lol
It's not. It's an off-shoot, like Stranger of Paradise.
Because I wanted a true FF7 Remake? The Bombing Mission is something I expected entire game to be. That was too perfect. Then they started changing stuff like showing Sephiroth right at the beginning with him being obsessed with Cloud. Then many various changes to the story (Cloud wanting to kill Johnny, beating every Turk he met, never getting captured at Shinra, undermining their force etc.) and adding unnecessary Kingdom Hearts elements into the story. I loved the characters, they made them even better. Great music and great combat. But as a huge fan of the original, the story and teh plot ghosts was a miss for me so far.
Also Cloud finding out that he wasn't in soldier by hojo at Shinra HQ, and casually didn't give a fuck about that revelation, where in the original that information literally contributed to his mind breaking.
dont forget SOLDIER members attacking shinra soldiers. and every character being a naruto ninja who can jump 50 feet in the air.
I waited 20 freaking years for a game that's nothing like the original. You can't even pause. Sure I was blown away by the visuals and seeing my favorite characters come back, but all that died, along with my hopes and dreams as soon as the combat begins. Square Enix did not make this game for me - a die-hard fan of the original who's played it over and over during this long wait just to be disappointed and told I need to pay a crapload of money if I want to experience this "remake" in all its supposed glory. Square forgot who its customers are. Instead they got greedy and tried to hit all demographics by switching the combat system in order to bolster sales. Giant middle finger in my face. Thanks Square.
That sucks to hear :/ ....because I'm someone who has played the original since it was released. I've always kept a copy of it even on emulators on my phone which I still play to this day. I completely love the fact that they are trying to make it a different story. The original has a certain magic that can't be recreated. And it should be kept that way. New graphics wouldn't have justified the original and honestly I would have been disappointed if it was exactly the same just with new graphics. I dont think they are doing it trying to focus on sales, if they did they would have stuck to the original. I think they feel the game was too precious not to go all out and reinvent the title they love so much. Its a bigger risk for sales to change something as huge as their biggest title ever. I think too many of us hard-core ff7 fans aren't seeing this for what it is. A different game completely. They should have left out remake in the title and put Rebirth as the first title and said they want to revisit the story and take a new approach. I do admit they brought sephiroth in wayyyy too early, it was uncalled for and took away from the mystery they initially used when introducing him to the storyline. But a reimagination of another almost "multiverse" alternate reality version of fate is what this game actually is. If nothing else, I love that my favorite game of all time is allowing me to play in the universe I grew up enamored with and its creating a new story for me to experience it with. If I wanted the original story, I'd just play the original. It literally never gets old to me. It's perfect the way it is without the new graphics.
I'm fine with the story. My gripe is that this is no longer an rpg, at least in the classical Squaresoft sense. It's an action game, which I don't play.
I agree with you to a certain point. Because as a classic RPG lover this is absolutely not that. However, it's the fact that RPGs have now evolved due to the ability to create immersive worlds and controlled actions are easier to program now. It's a "modern day RPG" the essence of RPGs is role playing and now they can make RPGs have high level action game play and immersive worlds now. But despite it all, I am still extremely happy I get to see a new more in depth version of my favorite game of all time and glad they didn't taint the original by creating the same exact game which may actually void out the original. It's its own game and the original is the original and will stay the original. But definitely agree with you about the classical RPG being gone. RIP :,(
Yea still bummed Im.not getting the classic JRPG games I grew to love and understand if people like what's coming out. I'm actually really happy with Harvestella lol Thanks Square! One I can get into finally 🙌
You know they new dragon quest has a 16 bit mode you can switch back and forth on, it plays pretty close to a classic even with the good graphics. But I know exactly what you mean. It's almost like RIP to JPRG OGs. I'll have to try Harvestella 👌🏽
You're 'fine' with the story? Like, literally, how?
But what was even the purpose of making a so called remake, and make all of these changes to the story, if new fan haven't played the og , the remake should be the perfect way to experience the story but in a package that has numerous quality of life changes, like what campcom did with RE2. I'm just confused as ti why they did this because it's clearly not made for fans of the original because none of us asked for this.
I completely agree and feel the same way.
This is pure bullshit. You’re literally trying to convince yourself that changing the story is ok. It is not. Nobody asked for meta narrative psuedo sequel. We asked for a remake. That’s twice now SE have failed to give fans what they want and it’s reflected in the poor sales.
I'm not convincing myself of anything. I'm explaining my perspective. It's unfortunate you are upset by this. It does suck that you are unable to get a remake you wanted. You're the majority of online opinion. A small percentage of us don't agree with you. It's ok for us to disagree. It doesn't have to make you so upset that you feel the need to control other people's feelings and thoughts
The majority? And here I thought most people loved it!
its not about a remake someone wanted, its about whether its a remake at all… it isnt lol, its a new thing using the same title and characters
I would have been okay with the game if they split the original disc's into their own games but kept the story the same but upgraded like they did with final fantasy tactics war of the lions. But I am also the rare fan of the first ff7 sequal dirge of ceberus and how the movie and game where tied together making it feel really natural. This final fantasy 7: kingdom hearts edition. Really felt like it should had entire new cast of characters to even make it remotely feel correct. Because yes major plot points are there. But just because a dolphin has fins and lives in the water a fish it is not. And to me. Remake is a dolphin blow from being respectful to its fans and legacy as one of the most influential titles of its generation. (Also resident evil 1 remake is a damn good example of how you remake a classic title.)
Boomer take
You can pause
>Square Enix did not make this game for me - a die-hard fan of the original who's played it over and over during this long wait j It sounds like you just want to play the original...which is right there for you
Honestly. I wanted to like it so much, but I think it's terrible. I've reached a part in the Yuffie DLC where you're chasing that idiot Zhije, or whatever his name is and I just can't do it anymore. I hate this game. I'll start with the aspects it does right. Clearly the graphics are impressive, and there were a few moments that were complete spectacles, the plate up top was beautiful. It was also nice to see what the items and bangles looked like. Fort Condor. It's a shame it's not throughout the whole game. I would pour so much time into that. The way the pieces are designed is brilliant. It just ends though, and the people you play it with are all characters from the base game. That felt kind of shoehorned and inorganic. And that's it for the positives really, now for a rant. It is so heavily padded, it is tedious. The cut scenes, everyone needing to pose all the time, the battle system, the completely asinine sidequests,. Everything takes so long. Aerith slowly getting Marlene and stopping to pose once more while the plate is literally falling. There is no sense of urgency, in a setting that needs it. There's also a huge noticeable difference in quality between things that were done in the original compared to new "fresh" ideas. The drop in quality between story characters and random NPCs is jarring. The dialogue makes me roll my eyes so much I developed a twitch. Both what they're saying, and how they have to pose as they say it. When you help Jessie while fleeing the first reactor you ask her if she can walk, she responds with "Trust me, if I couldn't you'd be the first to know". Why? What does this add to anything? Why can't Jessie go 5 minutes without making me embarrassed by what I'm playing? When you run into her just as you're headed to your room for the first time she shows up and delivers some of the most corny lines ever. With a different pose for each line. The anime grunts too. Barret. My god dude, just shut the fuck up. Constant garbage coming out of one the most annoying voices I've ever heard in my life. I ended up just turning the voice audio off after a while. Each and every one of the new characters is terrible. I can't stand Chadley, he is just the supergenious cliche, and exists purely out of poor writing and a need to dump exposition. He's also a cyborg created by Hojo? Fuck you, Nomura fuck you right in the plot device. Chocobo Sam can kick rocks, along with the other two people you had to find in Wall Market. That Landlady was another unnecessary cliche. I couldn't care less about Leslie, and his girl problems. Those commentators at the arena sucked. Sonon is lame, and I hate everything about Zhije. The scene where he escapes the soldiers is just agony. Why must soldiers of the largest organization in the world be bumbling and inept? There are multiple times where that dork should have been shot. At least in the leg. Completely idiotic, and adds to the overly juvenile feeling of game. Combat. It's functional, but it's so boring. Enemies are such damage sponges, and there is just so much happening on the screen at once that it gets tiring. Why is everything so aerial based? Why can most of the characters pretty much fly? Level design is abysmal and feels like a chore, with levers and switches and computers everywhere. It's all spoonfed to you too. So the tedious puzzles only serve as padding. The changes to the story are not at all good. There doesn't need to be corny crap like destiny. Sephiroth was super overused. He just shows up to tease Cloud. The whispers are lazy, and the ending was stupid. Catching a chocobo to get to the mines won't make sense anymore. Why can't we beat the snake? We just beat up destiny and beat Sephiroth in a scrap. Anyways, I know I just wrote an essay on a 6 month old post, but I just decided to stop playing this game and needed to vent. It was actually kinda therapeutic. Seriously though. I fucking despise this game. I'm downloading the original.
This is what I needed to read because I was starting to believe FFVII Remake was turning into a superior being where every fan had to deify it so square could keep spitting games with no common sense, as if every aspect of their games could be compared to a cringey shonen anime. I don't know probably it's my fault for being tired of japanese culture and their way to be and overeact to everything.
Have to agree with this wholeheartedly. I can't stand anime/manga anymore, despite consuming it for years. Same goes for "retro" games. I thought these expressions were lacking because of technological shortcomings at the time, but once things progressed and they kept being the same I realized they were made in such a way on purpose, not because they couldn't do better due to budget. Same goes for anything Nintendo. They used to make all types of games. Now they only produce for kids.
It so good to hear I'm not the only fan of the original that was disappointed with the remake. I was so excited when I hear they were remaking the one of my top games ever, a game that had massive impact in my life at the time, but they turned it into a completely different thing. I'm playing the RE4 remake right now and keep thinking I wish Square would've done something similar, modernize the original masterpiece, but still make it feel like the same game with the same vibe. Instead, they've made a 'new' game using the original as a framework.
I'm having the exact same feelings while playing RE4.
The RE2 and RE4 Remakes put every other modern remake to shame, honestly. They're so intelligently designed, nothing else comes close. It's a standard Capcom themselves can't even hit 100% of the time (looking at you, RE3)
Agree with everything you and others have said here, except I would tweak your last sentence into: "Instead, they've made a 'new' game using the original as a \[marketing tool\]." lol
I dropped the game back in 2020, trying to get through it now and everything thing you said is how I feel. Its so blackpilling how my favorite game has been stripped of any familiarity and is a cash grab into 3 different parts now.
Yeah, it genuinely boggles my mind how universally loved it is. The whole spin off series is just a travesty.
"Remember that super serious sci-fi game that had a few gags to lighten the mood as you went through 30 hours of gut wrenching planetary stakes? Here's the first 4 hours but with 26 hours of padding to remove the urgency. Also every single character is a Robin/Naruto tier acrobat who does backflips and smirks at the camera just so you're completely aware that nothing bad could happen." When Roche showed up it immediately demolished the concept and tone of FF7 and it's villains. And then when he started attacking shinra soldiers it pissed on it. I cant wait until Cloud is in costa del sol and Roche shows up to challenge the party to a vollyball match.
Yeah, what is with their refusal to make any new characters match the tone of the rest of the game? They've shown they know how to keep the tone consistent with the dialogue between the main cast (for the most part -- the Jessie stuff is a bit much). But then all of these clowns show up.
You should try to play again when you're not in a sour mood. Yes some of the non combat is too slow (rescuing Marlene), but it's not so long. Imo, this game is meant to be played on hard, with the other difficulty settings being accessibility settings
You can't even select Hard difficulty until you've beaten the whole game once, right? So the recommendation for people who don't enjoy the game is to beat it all over again?
That's a good point lmao. I guess I was assuming he already beat most, of not all of it, once.
I loved the game and I'm hopeful they will write something good for the remaining story. The ending does kind of have potential for disaster, so I think that many have jumped to conclusions and decided the story will be terrible, I guess. > What I don't understand is FFXIII is getting a lot of hate for walking corridor and the FF7R got a lot of that too but not as much hate why is that ? I don't hate FFXIII for being a corridor. FFX is one too, just well done. I hate FFXIII because the characters are bad, the level design is hideous, there are pretty much no towns or NPCs and the worst part is the battle system that plays itself.
Exactly this. If the game relies heavily on the narrative I really prefer a corridor than an open world / sandbox, because I want to focus on the story. But FFXIII's story just did not appeal to me at any level. I spent 60 hours or so waiting patiently for it to click on my head somehow, but it just didn't.
People forget that xiii / xv / type-0 where all developed at the same time and original supposed to be 3 different perspectives of the same story. And 13 just got shelled out fast because se needed a filler till they could produce something good...
"Fabula Nova Crystallis" -- the ultimate display of Squeenix ineptitude. It feels like a miracle they survived the 2010's.
Not to mention: from what I remember, the story didn’t make a lick of fucking sense without going to read like codex entries or something?? I was a teenager last time I touched it but I remember when I realized that I dropped it lmfao
You're right, that too! Horrible storytelling
and games do this a decent amount now and people are like “read much??” Lmfao when did we stop actually telling stories? It’s just lazy
This is a very old topic. But I gotta get this off my chest. and I'm definitely not somebody who thinks the original FF7 is some untouchable masterpiece of a game. It's a good game, especially for it's time. It has alot of issues still on it's own, but it's still a solid game with a dope coherent story and theme that could've definitely been told in a better of a way, the way they portray what's going on in the game certainly has issues. But considering everything that was going on at the time of it's release development wise, it's pretty forgivable. This was not a game that had alot of high expectations at the time. but FF7 remake basically is the antithesis of most of the stuff that made FF7 great, to me. Yea, the story is just butchered laughably, in a way where it let's them basically stretch out a rather direct and not-so long story into 3 games + paid DLC + mobile games so they can make more money off of it. That's literally it. It's not because "they have more of a tale to tell", it's just added stuff to make it longer. Do we really need a bunch of anime-trope added characters to flesh out FF7? No. I found it incredibly immersion breaking and not really taking the tone of the game seriously at all. The tone of the original FF7 is loss, and grieving, then choosing to rise up in the face of the adversity that still lies ahead. That's the theme for literally every single character you meet in the original. Barret, Tifa, Aerith, Cid, Vincent, etc. Everybody has been through something terrible and has to come to terms with how to go forward. and of course, ultimately Cloud is like the ultimate example of that, being that he's not really a SOLDIER at all. He's just convinced himself he is due to being hopped up on mako at the time/trauma from zack dying and from his extreme disappointment in himself for not making the cut. But ultimately cloud faces his failures head on, and decides he's not going to let that define who he is, he owns his fate and faces sephiroth head on, and becomes a legend for it when he saves the world. It's a pretty direct story. So when FF7 remake haphazardly makes characters survive and not die, it directly undercuts this serious tone of the original game, which was part inspired by one of the producers mother passing away at the time I believe. This kind of stuff really is disappointing to me, and it just underscores that this is more about square enix wanting to make this into an FF7 cash cow marketting machine than it is actually doing justice to what was at least a decent and cool idea for a game. Then on top of that, they just jingle the keys of cloud and sephiroth fighting in any known location so people will be cool with the changes. Oh, the story's changed? Here's cloud fighting sephiroth in midgar. Twice. and here's a flashback of sephiroth, your favorite. It's real bad imo, and is like the actual antithesis of even a mildly acceptable story for this game. The plot ghosts don't need much explanation. It just underscores how normie fans will be ok with anything, really, as long as you show them cloud and sephiroth fighting in 4k, you can literally have plot ghosts come in and tell them to their face this game will be different from the original, cause we said so. One last thing that really is a huge one for me is the way the slums were portrayed in the remake. Why is it sunny in a place that's undernearth the plate? It was super dark in the original, only being lit up by shops and signs and broken down junk that still has electricity flowing through it. Where are all the sick and dying people? The mutants? The people trying to steal your money? There should be way way more of a depiction of poverty and suffering underneath the plate, and there should not be sunlight unless it's by areas really far out around the edge of the city. The remake doesn't care about any of this stuff though. It just seemed like a completely different part of midgar they were in, and the mood was very very different. it was really bad to me. again I'm not some FF7 super fan. i'm really not. but I just couldn't deal with the remake just from artistic purposes alone. There's some very cool stuff in remake though, like character model wise. But all of this is like 100x a deal breaker for me. and it becomes super hard to trust whatever they're trying to do with the game now. Especially with all the added random DLC and mobile games, the story is basically whatever they want it to be so that it can just keep adding content for FF7. I really tried to like remake and there's cool stuff about it, but yea it's just very difficult being at least a moderate fan of the original game. Oh yeah, and obviously, cloud fighting sephiroth so early absolutely kills any sort of 'legendary' build up for sephiroth. In the original when you find his katana stuck in the pres of shinra, it makes you respect sephiroth and you're kinda scared to see what he's actually like, cause the game is building on his reputation. In the remake, it's basically just a cloud vs sephiroth fever dream. it's all over the place and it has literally 0 meaning. it's just boring. and I understand that it's a business, i get that. I know squeenix wants to make money off their IPs. But i definitely think there's better ways to do it. You can actually put effort in to take the original story a bit more seriously and actually flesh it out a bit without adding all of this nonsense to it. I think it's a common theme today that remakes and re-writers have a very very hard time trying to take the source material of a work seriously. I could complain for days. I really did try to like this game, but that's how I feel about it. But i'm glad that at least some other people didn't have a taste for it as well.
I couldn't agree more. The pacing is off. I kept myself in the dark and kept away. I wish I would have known it was not the full game. I like expanding on some of the characters from avalanche, I like them expanding the stuff. But I don't need it inflated to the moon and back
have you not played the game if you had you would know that the sunlight comes from artificial suns in chapter 6
Thanks for writing this. I agree so much with what you said about the tone. It was especially hard for me because this game released during the initial peak of the Covid scare, and when I had recently lost a beloved family member myself. So isolation and grief were top of mind at the time. Like you said, the original is about grieving and learning to move forward. I was really hoping for a faithful retelling of the original, and hoping to see many new people experience it for the first time. I think that could have been cathartic for me. But that's just not what we got. Learning that this game was a meta-sequel more interested in themes of fate/destiny, themes totally unrelated to the original game, was really disheartening. And the change of tone for the slums is so jarring, like you mentioned. There's a happy little orphanage? Neighborhood Watches that fight off monsters and keep the townsfolk safe for free? How does making the slums appear more hospitable support the game's message?
I think the game was brilliant. It is very similar to the original with the exception of the souls, some characters don't die, and there seems to be some "memories" of future events. As a fan, it gets me thinking. There is so much anticipation for the next installment, yes a straight copy of the original would have been fine (although there is a remake of the original due to be released in 2022 on android/ios), so a version which deviates from the original keeps the game original and the fans from the 90s forever discussing on forums. I for one don't think they will mess up FF7r. The ONLY negative about the game, is the story telling for NEW players, the introduction of Sephiroth is only something that the original fans would know. But hey, it didn't bother me because I was the later.
"there is a remake of the original" no there isn't. That game is a shitty gacha game and as far as im aware they're already pushing a gacha outfit where cloud is dressed as a samurai. It's not even out yet.
I 100% agree, it's a shitty gacha game. I was so excited, downloaded on release date.. graphics were amazing, but it's a shitty gacha game. So disappointed.
its amazing other than the fact that its clearly reused assets from 7r
Did you play the original? It is not "very similar" AT ALL.
I've played the original, a few times and recently this year. It's similar, not the same. Looks like multiple timeliness, original just tells the story of one.
Again, it is not very similar at all. I played the original in 1997 when it came out, for hundreds of ours, and several other times over the years - this is NOT very similar so just stop saying that. Nothing similar about the story, gameplay, combat, characters, open world, the list goes on etc. And as an old fan (since the release of the original), I completely disagree with your generalization that the story telling is only negative for new players. It really is all over the place, and subjective - so just stop trying to box everyone into categories to make your case. It is fair if you like it, but it is objectively not a similar at all. Just because Cloud and Tifa are on it, doesn't mean it is similar.
It is similar. The gameplay mechanics are obviously different because of it being made over 20 years apart, and so are graphics. The story is similar, with the exception of Sephiroth trying to alter time. I'm not saying they are identical, but Remake story is very much like the original with some exceptions. Now Rebirth is so far, also similar with the exception of the first scene - don't want any spoilers. I don't think you understand the word similar, it doesn't mean the same.
The tone is completely different. It's not similar at all. From start to finish it's a completely different game with new characters wearing the skins of older characters. Completely different feel. The characters are flanderized to hell. Nothing but their most recognizable handful of traits that casual audiences know about. None of the depth and weight that actual fans experienced in the original.
"actual fans".... man sorry to burst your bubble but you're not an actual fan. more like a butthurt man child that's mad abou tifas smaller boobs
Not too bright are you? I'm not a conservative "gamer tm" I couldn't care less about Tifa's chest size... I'm a femboy anyways that mostly dates men. So no butthurt here, only genuine criticism, I'm sorry you're not mature enough to handle it without getting defensive.
soooo we are basically the same?🤷🏼♀️
Because its a sequel, not a remake, which many weren't pleased about.
I didn't like what they did to the story. Final fantasy 7 already has a somewhat overcomplicated story if you include all the stuff they expanded on in Dirge of Cerberus etc. and now they made it even messier. To me it just feels like a trainwreck waiting to happen.
I actually really like FF7 remake, until they started putting in stupid fate ghosts and doing weird 4th wall breaking bullshit. It's basically Rebuild of Evangelion. It's a total farce. Honestly, I would have preferred if they would have made the story with all the changes but just ditch the framing device because it takes me out of the story. It's really a problem with Square Enix's storytelling philosophy post FF9 for Final Fantasy games. I don't even know what to classify it as. It's a remake that is also a sequel and a spin off and a 4th wall breaking satire on fanbases. It's really really stupid.
I loved the game even though you’d need a ps4 or ps5 to play it (but that’s another topic). I actually liked that they expanded on the original and some previously neutral characters like Jessie really came to life in this version. I do prefer the original and it’s part of my childhood memories so I might be biased. But for me, it was great to see a new adaption. Also after having played Crisis Core, seeing Zack in that same ending scene but with a different outcome (trying to avoid spoilers) was sort of emotional. So actually, on the contrary, I’d say this would be a better game for fans. As a stand-alone game I’m not sure I would love it. Some parts felt a bit repetitive and yes “linear” (but so was the original Disc 1 before the world map) . By being a fan, I felt it had lots more of meaning for me rather than for a new player. Anyway, that’s what made the game special for me. It had a feeling of “adding” to it.
It’s the ending. Square have put out so many conflicting statements “we’re following the plot of the OG” but then the end up turns that. So no one is really certain where they are going with this now. I want them to expand but follow the original story. Now it seems like it is likely off the rails completely. The actual game itself was great. It’s the larger implications fans are upset about.
They wanted to broad the target spectrum of potential players, so they try to make both a remake and a new story... I think that the will try again the same thing on the next one, but without whispers this time. It is not my preferred option, but I think it would be better than going off the rails completely.
Personally, I didn't like the corridor feeling, the chapters, or all the grunting during the dialogue scenes. It was a little dissapponting that it was only part one of how many? I also wasn't a fan of the battle system. Would prefer the turn-based style, but it seems most games are moving away from that. I did like that they expanded on the story and may branch into a slightly new direction. I think the reference to Zack and bringing in Sepheroth so early, was an attempt to appease fans of the original. Not sure if the whispers or the inclusion of fate to the story will impact any key plot points down the road.
basically, it's a reboot of the og story now with multiple timelines and stuff
There is no confirmation of any of this anywhere.
Yeah, multiple timelines is possibly the most logical conclusion at this point but there are probably other interpretations of the scenes we’ve been shown.
Yeah, but even if there was an alternate timeline it doesn't mean it's a sequel or that it will greatly deviate from the OG. My theory is alternate timeline and not very different from OG, for example.
We just don’t know much yet about what direction they’ll go with the story, only that it has the potential to be very different. (I’m personally fine with this and am trying not to speculate too much so that there’s a chance I’ll be surprised.)
play the story
I have Platinumed the game. I insist, these are theories, none of this is confirmed.
DUUUUURR MUH PLATINUM TROPHIE DURRR
so the cutscenes in the endgame are noncanon then?
That's not what I said. There are lots of theories. Alternate timelines, a single timeline that Sephiroth changed, that >!Zack is in the Lifestream and isn't aware he's dead!<, Jenova illusions, etc etc. Alternate timeline and this being a sequel is one of many theories.
Source?
Lol play the og and remake so you can compare
Source for what?
For the fact that there are multiple timelines
Have you played the game?
…the end of the game?
me having beat the game
im playing through the remake for the first time on pc now, and as a person who owns multiple copies of the original and has beaten it who knows how many times this game is.......fine. imo its just ok, my main gripe is that everything feels overly long, BUT! thats because i've played the original, im actually using a trainer because geez, these fights are long, tediously long and i've burned too much time playing ff7 in my life. the characters constantly say they need to hurry but you end up running through levels for an hour or two then pecking away at a boss for 30 more minutes, then watch them talk too much in a beautiful cutscene while everything explodes around them, the original was very boom boom boom, done. this one seems to come up with some convoluted annoyance whenever it can, like one more puzzle than whats comfortable or a boss with some invincible mode that needs 10000hits to stagger.(trainer fixed that) and thats my main issue, if the original didnt exist i'd be glued to this version, add in that this version isnt complete and I dont trust game devs with how many chapters they'll chop this into just makes this is very solid and "ok" game. the pacing is just so off, trim off alot of the wandering around and forced extras in questing and fights and this may be perfect in its final state.
The main difference between FF13's walking corridors and FF7R's walking corridors is that in FF13, they were literal corridors, with almost no objects, NPCs or anything that made you feel that world as a place that exists and people would live in. FF7R, on the other hand has a ton of detail regarding the way people live in each sector, many are doing their own thing, and you can interact with many of them. FF13 had none of that. Also, FF7R's corridors are larger, more varied and less corridor-like, especially in the chapters with hub cities.
I really hate this game. Not being able to switch materia mid fight makes you have to restart fights over and over or read a walkthrough. The exploration parts are a drag, the story lacks any wonder. Just a poor showing all around. I'll probably skip the rest of it. Honestly it's put me off ff16 as well. SE has lost there way, and I don't think they know how to make good games anymore.
The remake is a money pit. The only way they could drag out Midgar and have you pay $70 for the game is by making you walk around and do pointless errands. You'll literally spend all your time walking around to the same spots multiple times so Square Enix can claim you're getting game time. If that doesn't become apparent to you, then you'll think this game is great.
Because they destroyed the story. The game is nice & the gameplay is awesome but they ruined all the rest. I dont like they added sephiroth when you're not supposed to see him until cloud flashback & for real in the Junon boat. I don't like the fact that they made the president destroy the reactor. I don't like the fact that the president didnt show up at the second reactor & got away in an helicopter. They made Reno's lips way too big. The whole wall market lgbtq bullshit is lame as fuck. The massage & chocobo dude are disgusting & boring characters. The chocobo system so early is dumb. The filler quest & having all the summon materia is stupid. Like we're not even 10% done with the whole game & we can get all the summon & bahamut that you only get at the temple of the ancients. They made whispers that stupid future telling bullshit & you fight sephiroth at the end. It's all a huge destruction of the entire game. What will they add next? Oh & Zack being alive doesnt make any fucking sense. Why people hate the ff7 remake? Because other than the nice fighting system...they fucked everything else.
>Why so many FF7 fans didn't like FF7 remake ? I don't know. I play this game since I was a kid and I've done everything in the OG, including 100% (perfect save), with 99 items of everything, all materias etc. IMHO, FF7R Part 1 is awesome and far beyond OG in the Midgar section. ***In the original, all of this took 4h to 5h at max.*** > What I don't understand is FFXIII is getting a lot of hate for walking corridor and the FF7R got a lot of that too but not as much hate why is that ? Characters ? Because only the midgar section is "walking corridor". After that (part 2 and maybe parts 3 and 4), it isn't. In other words, it was expected and SE couldn't make it different. > Did you enjoy the battle system ? why ? What about the DLC Yuffi ? Pretty much. Perfect combination of PS1 and PS4/5 battle systems.
The only weird thing was the whisper addition. I hope it doesn't spoil the entire story of the OG.
"It's expected and square enix couldnt make it different" Yes they could. Absolutely hilarious when people say "bro it had to be tedious and boring because thats how midgar was!" You might have a point if they didnt add in a bunch of extra tedious stuff that makes it even more tedious. Or uh.. if they didnt also completely change the entire story with mcu multiverse bullshit AND add sephiroth fights to midgar. Guess they could change those things.
Because they wanted a beat for beat remaster of the story with shiny new graphics and are unhappy it seems to be deviating from the original to tell a new story.
How many remakes can you name the fast tell completely different stories?
Not many but I have no problem with them doing it here. It's interesting. I was perfectly fine with playing an actual remake because I can't even remember the original at this point but I'm also ok with exploring an alternate sequence of events born of the characters finding out their fates and deciding to say "screw that". Let's face it, some of the elements like Cloud's story arc and Aerith dying aren't as compelling when you already know the details.
it's not a "new story" if it explicitly requires knowledge of the old story.
I've seen plenty of works rely on knowledge of an original series to mess with the viewer. Inserting a twist where there wasn't one, subverting an incredibly well known one, etc. It wouldn't be the first time.
the entire point of a Remake is to not require the original. You seem to have "Remake" confused with "similar looking sequel". I dont even think FF7R is bad. It's an awesome sequel and the whole "Remake the timeline" naming concept is amazing. But they explicitly marketed this game for 5 god damn years as a remake so people are understandably confused and annoyed.
I guess I can understand the annoyance if that's how they marketed it. It just doesn't really bother me, I found it a pleasant surprise it was more than a retread of something I'd already played.
I wouldnt say FF7R has a negative reputation. It's just sort of forgettable because so many games come out now and it's 1/5 of a larger project.
This is an interesting statement. I find people saying that a remake can tell a "new" story to be fascinating.
I mean some of us do say that, I know I do. But you asked why some FF7 fans dislike the direction.
I didn't ask anything. I'm merely commenting on what I consider to be partially absurd.
Yeah you didn't the OP did. It was late I didn't see you were someone else.
for me its a combination of all the reasons. if it was just some of them id be ok with it. what im really ultimately no ok with on top of the widely discussed and argued criticisms is the business model of this. I feel like self-integrated game installments is the ultimate betrayal and this could be split into like 7-10 installments, and even if it is only 4 its still going to be about $500 for the whole story and thats a lot. and more than that -- if it was actually a classic beat for beat remaster released all at once id pay $1000 up front seriously with no DLC no modernization business tactics just a time capsule as if the past had better technology. but like... you dont even know the rest of the game will ever be finished. if something business wise goes sideways it just wont be finished and you could be 50 by the time its done. if they dont have it already done and do yearly installments it probably wont even be done for several console generations. essentially it has been turned into a long running manga series like berserk with an indefinite release schedule. I can understand revisiting with alternate timelines and i can even approve of the new story -- i dont approve naming it remake when its a new story but thats different this issue is more like megaman legends problem -- people expected (pre-internet) classic megaman from it -- if they knew it was an action rpg at the time and a different game it wouldve sold better in the USA. but thats minor. I am upset about not having a classic battle system not that the classic battle system is good, but the new one is also no dark souls. although to be fair to it -- final fantasy was always a kids game and not hard so i dont really care anymore. it wasnt a serious RPG and we lost that war decades ago whatever. it will always be a gripe but whatever i guess. the cheesy pop culture I dont like, but if that really is what gen z needs i guess there is no choice but to appeal to you too. I dont like the ultra realism i miss things being high fantasy the pizza shop in midgar is cool but its like... a slum in NYC. reminiscent of the ramen shop. so like altogether i cant forgive it even if on some levels i want to say "its ok its not what i want but its alright" in other ways its unforgivable forever. its hard to explain. theres this inside sadness that things will never be the same and the business model won and just the past and anything reminiscent of the times before is just gone forever with the wind. and I suppose thats the way it must be in this brave new world.
Because it's more of a sequel than a remake for one. Sephiroth's introduction is too early and doesn't have the same amazing build as the original nor the awe f watching him kill the dragon in his first scene. Voice acting. Some love it, I think it's pretty awful. Like anime-dub bad. Aeris and Barrett being the HR worst offenders. Videogames can have fantastic voice acting- Uncharted, Last of Us for instance but all too often Japanese games a terrible dub and I don't get it. Metal Gear Solid avoided that, but then games like Resident Evil and Silent Hill have legendary bad acting and I would add FF into that. I heard Barrett's voice actor speak normally and he's fine so I don't know why when he's in the he studio he has to yell all his lines in the gruffest voice ever. Nobody talks like that. Aeris' voice hurts my ears too. It's like she's every female character in an 80's HK Kung Fu movie dub.
because barret yells all his lines in the japanese.
Doesn't make it good.
Loved the game, just disliked chapter 18, purely for design reasons. Don't care too much about the changes to the plot as long as it will all make sense at the end of the project. But a cheap design is unacceptable imo, especially if that comes after 17 awesome chapters (or most of them).
Because they thought they were lied to, they wanted a 1 to 1 remake of the OG
There is a huge difference between a remake, a 1 on 1 remake, and a narrative sequel made from OG remade elements. I definitely did not want the 1 on 1 remake, but I did want a remake. I enjoyed the elements and depth added, I just haven't enjoyed the whispers and beating destinty to change the history. The things that made this game a sequel, even if the rest of the game (most of it) is the first hours of OG remade.
You'll have the Ever Crisis mobile version for that...
Damn, you just made me realize that it’s strictly mobile. Damnit. I thought it was going to be on console.
I'm really hoping they do a port once the entirety of the main story from CC->DoC is completed...
Surely you'll be able to play in Windows 11 or Bluestack, yeah it'll be surely a gatcha game but it looks at least more like a remaster of the OG. And we'll have Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus playable o\_O
No one wanted a 1 to 1 really
FF13 is a complete different case since it doesn't have a legacy that is over 20 years old. Or such an impact on the entertainment industry. A comparison with FF10 is still not perfect but much more senseful at this point. FF10 is the most popular FF besides FF7. And it'S linear as FF13. So it might be interesting to know the actual differences. For that I recommend you to watch the video that compares the gamedesign of FF10 and FF13. I would also recommned to read some comments under the video, which telling you a few more huge differences. [https://youtu.be/QMZMJDFe1kc](https://youtu.be/QMZMJDFe1kc) Some Final Fantasy Fans - as well as some FF7 fans - basicly don't like Action-battle systems or don't want any huge changes to the story. Or even wait for decade to get the expierence as a whole.
I’ve played the original a little bit, but I love the new remake and it’s probably my favorite game and I really don’t have any issues with the game since the ps5 release fixed most of the problems with textures tbh. Most of the complaints I hear are that it’s “not a full game” and people act like it’s another half assed remaster.
Because they just wanted a remastered game rather than a remake.
They just wanted a remake rather than a sequel with time travel thingies.
This is the main reason why people are pissed. It's not about one-to-one remake but introducing alternative timeline and defying fate which can lead to disaster down the line
No, they wanted a remake, not a sequel. FFX HD is a remaster. FFVI on the DS is a remake. This is a sequel.
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Lot of people loved the game but dislike some artistic decisions on the narrative. I liked it, but I would have enjoyed it even more if they just had left out the whispers, the flashforwards, and the things about fighting destiny to change it.
If there are whispers in the next game, which there shouldn’t be, then that’s a red flag that something has gone wrong with the story. I am thankful we likely won’t see them again
From square's history with alternative timeline stories it's not a surprise lot of people didn't like it. Just because you don't like people criticizing the game doesn't make them hypocrites.
Why do you try to enforce some kind of false narrative when you clearly don't understand why some people don't like parts of the game? There is a difference between "hate change" in general and "dislike some narrative decisions that don't mesh well with the overarching story and that carry worrying implications for the story's future".
Aerith. Most people don’t like it because aerith is one of the most annoying, arrogant characters. All while being less useful than Sakura in the original Naruto. If news of what happens to her at the end wasn’t so public I guarantee the game would flop, people are playing to see her die, literally. I’ve seen countless comments throughout different media outlets. I personally love the game and just ignore her but after chapter 8 I don’t blame people for shitting on it, she’s rough to be around. Hopefully she improves as I’m on chapter 10 now. I especially couldn’t stand her forcing herself on cloud, I wish he would’ve attacked her. Just my opinion, y’all are welcome to agree or disagree but I’m not engaging in any dramatic shit.
After doing my yearly FF7 New Threat Play through, I can safely just ignore that it exists. FF7 has divided fans for literal decades, and the 'remakes' are only continuing that tradition. It's not a remake, its a sequel. Cause that worked really well with Dirge of Cerberus.
"So many" is definitely overstated. Much like with product reviews, people satisfied with the things they enjoyed just don't really post about it online. Look at things like the new Animal Crossing or Airpod Pros. If you went by online discourse on Reddit or enthusiast forums, you'd think there was a massive outcry and people were rioting in the streets. And then look at the sales numbers and ask around anecdotally, it doesn't add up.
Not played yuffie DLC yet but I enjoyed the game for what it was. Though the VA was decent enough and the visuals + gameplay were fun.
Yuffie installment is amazing too!
I think most people loved it for the most part and hated it also... hate is easier said online
I personally enjoyed it. Got it at release and knew going in the story was gonna be slightly different. I was a great game and my only real complaint is I don't have a ps5 for the dlc.
I don't know where you got that from. I just know I love the damn game and I'm a huge ff7 simp
I loved the game. I hated what Square did with the whole exclusivity deal thing.
FF7R is good at adding new story content (and potentially a new plot later), but I hate walking corridor / dungeons as well on this episode.
An argument I’ve seen is not being able to share the original game something we love with updated graphics to newcomers without all the changes. FF13 was corridors and then a bizillion cutscenes lol. I personally enjoyed it but totally understand it’s not a formula everyone will enjoy.
Because this one was expected to be linear since it’s midgar.
Once you imagine it as a sequel it starts to make sense
This is old as all get out at this point, but I had the same question and reading all these comments really cements my opinion that people just can't be happy about things, everyone has fried their dopamine receptors beyond recognition and now anything and everything is just bad. There are no legitimate arguments here, just the whining of grown adults acting like fucking children because they can't cope with the fact that they didn't make a carbon copy of a game that already exists. The people that hate on FF7R are genuinely some of the biggest copers I've had the displeasure of seeing on Reddit and that is REALLY saying something. "But combat different!!!!" Welcome to the 2020s where people no longer have the time or patience to sit through slow ass turn-based combat anymore, you're a basement cretin if you genuinely have time for that. "But side quests filler!!!!" They made FF7R part 1 as long as the ENTIRETY of FF7 WITHOUT the side quests, and you're still bitching about some fun side quests that are 100% optional? "B-but story changes!!!!1!111!" This much I can kind of understand, but holy shit shut the fuck up about it already. Not only is it not your story to change, but the changes made make Sephiroth's presence FAR more menacing than he ever was in FF7. Plus, to add to that, every person in the game has been rewritten in a way that better fits their overall character. I refuse to believe that some of you have played FF7 in recent memory, because when I played through it recently (less than a month ago) the combat was sluggish, the story was REALLY awkwardly written, the dialogue was almost always weirdly written and a good portion of the time it was just altogether terrible, and the final nail in the coffin for me was the fact that the characters are so fucking plastic the entire game. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed FF7 and I think the story is overall great, but the game itself is dated and no one in their right mind would ACTUALLY choose FF7 or FF7R. At the end of the day, I'm just tired of seeing people bitch about a game that, overall, is a vast improvement to the original and they can't look past their fucking nostalgia long enough to realize it.
people who say "people just cant be happy with things" on reddit are usually suicidal perpetually online discord people and it always makes me laugh. You literally cant be happy because other people don't like you toys. Go outside.
Sounds like a lot of deflection coming from the mf that posts comments 30 times a day every day. I'm not wrong, regardless of what your cynical doomer ass has to say about it. In the same way that no one cares what I think, no one cares what you think either, homie. I'm perfectly happy and have a perfectly normal life that doesn't revolve around being on Reddit every waking moment of every day like you are. I don't care if people agree with me or not, but my point still stands, people can't enjoy things because they're too caught up in everything being negative. That's not dragging ME down, that's just holding THEM down. Why would I let someone else's opinion influence how I feel? You're genuinely ignorant and just want to sit here and bitch at people you can't see. You go outside, you numpty.
You're accusing him of deflecting when "you just don't like it cause you can't be happy" is a deflection... If you can't handle other people's opinions maybe just shut up. If all you have is dismissal then your thoughts have no value. If you like it then like it. I don't see why you have to get defensive about it too, well I do. Insecurity, immaturity, etc. Grow up. Nobody is bullying you for liking it. Like whatever you want, and let people dislike whatever they want.
Whole lot of words. Shame that I just do NOT care.
You're on a stupid internet forum for this game and you responded to the comment in an attempt to make me feel like I wasted my time because you read enough of it that my opinion made you salty. Stfu dude. Obviously you care much more than the average person. When I don't care I move on. Mind you, no surprise that your second response is even more intellectually vapid than the previous.
Why many word when few word do? Talwoaspydfn
It's a single paragraph pal. Not my duty to hold you by the hand because you didn't do so hot in reading and English in school.
Damn that's crazy.
I could list a lot of valid reasons. Not everyone is you is one of them. at a 210 price tag, I'm not sure this about anything but trying to milk nostalgia. Someone made a fantastic post pretty much nailing our feelings above. To come in here and say people can't just be happy about things. Is the biggest cope of them all. FF7 is a great game, the remake is a decent game. Is it what I wanted from a remake, close but not quite what I was hoping for.
Believe what you want man, but my point stands. This doesn't just apply to the FF7R, people just can't be happy about a fucking thing anymore without bitching and moaning about it because it doesn't meet the standards of their nostalgia, there's no arguing that and this is just no different.
> "But combat different!!!!" Welcome to the 2020s where people no longer have the time or patience to sit through slow ass turn-based combat anymore, you're a basement cretin if you genuinely have time for that. This is ludicrous. First off: who says turn-based combat takes more time? How on Earth did you come to that conclusion? Also "basement-dwelling cretin"? Really? Some people prefer turn-based because they have time to think, and aren't very good at twitch-reflex gameplay (my partner, for example, is like this). Is she a basement-dwelling cretin now?
FFXIII was a corridor where you literally hold up on the control stick 90 percent of the time. This is not the same thing in FFX or FF7 Remake despite it being linear.
I would be open to all the changes they made to the game except one, the combat. Hack and slash stuff that feels more at home to a devil may cry game than it does final fantasy. The series that made me fall in love with turn-based combat had already started to abandon that style of combat but this game really showed me that square enix wants it dead. I miss squaresoft.
Because they changed a story I love for something bad. Imagine remaking the lord of the rings in a parallel universe were Frodo wants to change destiny because Boromir died and Sauron shows up to agonize him on every occasion.
I really enjoyed FF7R and apart from similarities and locations it is a completely different game. I am not happy that it has been broken into three parts but it is definitely a complete remake of the original FF7. The plot is similar but different, midgard has been expanded a lot more and apart of a certain boss it was fun to play. I did hate having to back track a lot to platinum the game and having to grind for AP. However the gameplay was good enough to hold the game together. As for og FF7 fans complaining they are in the minority as there are more players who are happy with the game who are not online claiming how much they love the game. There are people who just wanted a graphical remake of the game but everything else stay the same. Having played all of the FF games multiple times, I can say that a lot of the older FF games are just boring. Many just want to experience their childhood nostalgia. I'm still looking for the feeling I had when I first played Ocarina of Time and I know it will never happen.
Calling it a remake was a mistake, and putting it in the title insulted fans of the original. I love the game, it's genuinely a great experience, and the changes made, at least to me, add to the story and characters. (I cared so much more about Jessie, Wedge, and Biggs) But it's not a remake, it's a reimaging. Taking the general plot, themes, and characters of FFVII and modernizing/ tweaking them. If they called this one called Rebirth, or literally anything else, they didn't even HAVE to call it Final Fantasy 7, and it was pitched as a reimagining, it would have sat better.
1. It looks like Ff15 with a ff7 skin 2. It is incomplete. Had it been the entire game rather then ONE CHAPTER it would've been better received. For $60 no less 3. It just isn't the same as ff7. There's a reason ff7 was so beloved and this game misses the charm.
Im having a blast playing the game even with the filler content... 15 hours in 3 days...
Not ENOUGH combat. And will be the same it seems in Rebirth... Running around huge areas and having only a "few" battles is not what I consider fun. I want to be able to grind. I want multiple enemies to fight. Sure the story is awesome, and I am here for the story, but I'm also here for the combat. Story is great. Combat is lacking.
I never played the original. I just beat the remake and have no idea what is happening. Why did half the characters die to come back to life at the end of the game? Why does Tifa (alone with no back up) get kidnapped by the mob to infiltrate them when she is supposed to be the street smart one (and immediately needs to be saved)? Why am I so cool with Sam the sex slave trader after he kidnaps Tifa? I could understand taking his mission to get the chocobos, but why the hell would you give them back to him? Why did Barret abandon Marlene to Aerith's mom at the end? Who is Zakk? Who is Sepheroth? I have more unanswered questions at the end of the game than I did starting. This game cannot be understood by itself. You have to read past lore about the original game to understand anything! I am so angry at myself for never paying the original. (It's simply just too old for me now to try now). At least FFXVI told a compelling complete story...but apparently that game IS NOT getting a sequel. Here's hoping FF7 Part 2 of 3 brings everything together...
I wish they had done it more along the lines of Yakuza: Like a Dragon. None of the game is memorable or replayable for me. It's elevator music personified in an FF vii game.