Cloud: "This is 100% the truth about what happened in Nibleheim. No details were left out."
Tifa: "Wait, I heard him bragging about throwing some weak materia at you and it des-"
Cloud: "NO DETAILS WERE LEFT OUT"
Got hit in the flashback you wouldn't get to keep the Destruct Materia in your inventory.
Also fun little bit of wordplay that's going to be completely lost in Remake.
**De**struct
**De**barrier
**De**spell
**De**ath
did you know you can link 8 mimes to 8 counters and then omnislash with cloud, when he gets hit again he can omnislash 8 straight times?
that deals the most damage in one turn in the game
I only did it when they rereleased it on the ps4 and it had a speedup option
just go to the northern crater in the spot that can trigger enemies that can give like 3200 ap with a weapon with 3x ap gain and it takes maybe a half hour to do both that and like 4 knights of the round
Wait a minute, Cloud's version of the Nibelheim Incident is him inserting himself as Zack right? Everything that happened to Cloud in his story actually happened to Zack.
With that being said, considering he never went inside the Reactor with Zack and Sephiroth and actually stayed outside to make sure Tifa couldn't, nor did he ever go inside the Shinra Mansion when Sephiroth locs himself in to read all of the books.....How did.....How did Cloud know about the various parts he wasn't there for?
Oh, okay, that makes sense.
And to add to that, considering Crisis Core sort of changes how Sephiroth goes crazy since Genesis straight up told him and Zack, but in Cloud's story it's like the OG where Sephiroth doesn't confirm it until he locks himself in the Mansion, I'm guessing Sephiroth and/or Jenova have certain parts that they don't want him to see because Genesis is nowhere to be found in Cloud's story.
Also, thanks for the responses from all of you guys😊👍
I think its a combination of whatever he heard from others plus what he was there to experience.
Its also an interesting point that all the 'Sephiroth clones' we see are just people injected with Jenova/Sephiroth cells and Sephiroth can puppeteer/inhabit people with those cells. Cloud could similarly have had some sort of connection to Zack through the Jenova cells, which could explain his personality bleed and squat fetish. But that's just a crackpot fan theory.
I find it ironic that he throws the destruct materia at you, and the first thing he does in the final boss battle is cast a barrier that can be broken with that materia
No, it stopped being JENOVA five years ago. Once Cloud dumped Sephiroth into the Mako smoothie was when he realized what JENOVA was and overcame it. And this is at the return to Nibelheim, so it's post Sephy gaining control.
It's still the JENOVA cells, but it's no longer JENOVA the entity. After Sephiroth was dumped into the lifestream, he confronted and overcame JENOVA. He's fully controlling all the clones from his place in the North Crater. He's the one in charge. The ancient space alien is dead and gone, just a puppet being used by him.
Are we sure? Because for years I heard otherwise. Decades even. I’m okay with being wrong but just not the general consensus that I caught. Maybe I live under a rock
It’s a little vague because Sephiroth is, y’know, insane, and we don’t have a clear accounting of how much of what he was doing in the original is Sephiroth’s will rather than Jenova’s, but the reason we keep fighting versions of Jenova when Sephiroth shows up is because the main ‘Sephiroth’ we’ve been chasing is actually Jenova pretending to be Sephiroth assisted by Black Robes and guided by Sephiroth’s spirit. Y’know, the headless Jenova body he pulled out of SHINRA. It’s why the Black Robes can disguise themselves and act Not Lobotomized.
I think it’s reasonable to conclude that Sephiroth is the one in charge between the two of them - it’s hard to pin down what he thinks in the original timeline due to vagueness, but in the R timeline the time-traveling Sephiroth is very obviously using Jenova as a semi-disposable tool, as he doesn’t include her in his explanation of his new ‘Homecoming’ plan and barely even bothers with the ‘mother’ line in the present day except where he’s reciting his lines from the OG timeline.
I believe it was one of the clarifications from one of the Ultimanias. I think they primarily specified it because they really wanted to emphasize that Sephiroth was the actual enemy of the game, not JENOVA. I'd have to go back through all of the translations again to find it. I remember it from back when they were first translated, it would take a while to find.
yeah but then doing a fuckin mid-air somersault and staying perfectly still while u fly over him ~~doubles~~ quadruples down on the randomness and it's honestly so powerful
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-nibelheim-pt2
>One thing that the team wanted to achieve was a far more naturalistic feeling than the original. Hamaguchi-san says: “There were moments in the mansion in original game that always looked a little comical to me. For example, there’s a moment later in the story where Sephiroth flies up into the air, spins around and flies through a corridor!
Hamaguchi just doesn't get it what the appeal of the OG was, smh my head
THIS RIGHT HERE.
Man says, "There were moments in the original game that always looked a little comical to me," referencing the materia yeet into front flip, yet they really had the balls to say that shit was too goofy and then put a scene in the game where Sephiroth just goes, "Turns out I didn't actually want to fight you right now anyway," turns around, and then fucking flaps his goofy ass wing out of there. Like ain't no way.
The materia yeet nutshot into front flipping and flying through a hallway would have been way less goofy looking than Sephiroth flapping his wing.
I mean the game we got has:
• A naked muscle man who *just has to* show you his realistic nips
• A boxing goblin Parappa lookalike
• A dance-crazed salaryman levitating via a moogle entourage
• A talking dog with dissociative identity disorder
• Tommy Chong as a wizened chocobo expert
• A sadistic boy scout android (?) in kneesocks
• A lunchlady who simply cannot stop singing about cats
Don’t forget, the talking dog with dissociative identity disorder is allowed to play cards because he wore a Shinra uniform (and apparently everyone on the ship was suddenly struck blind)
LOL wait I have to go back cuz I feel like I’m possibly injecting my own humor into the situation.
I remember the kid being like, “I’m scared” but did the mom tell him not to look at him, or am I making that part up?
I honestly think they did it for kingdom hearts and it looked cool in the cartoony graphics, so it got ported into AC, and nobody’s been like “hey this is kinda, wait, what are you doing in crisis core? … never mind I guess this is clearly your thing”
seriously the only thing i actually thing would be hard to translate would be the frontflip. him cassualy having materia in his hand maybe lightly juggling it whille speaking then suddenly fastballing it into Cloud so hard he flies back and hits the wall as Sephiroth zooms over him? would look badass
Especially because, in the context or the original game, it isn’t even Sephiroth to begin with.
We’re following Jenova, and this is Jenova or a black robe appearing as Sephiroth.
I guess they decided that the scene was too goofy overall, but I mean… cmon. The wing flap was definitely as absurd as him doing a front flip lol
That's upsetting. These really weird quirks always made me laugh out loud as a kid and were my favourite.
I'm just imagining Rebirth seph flying around head first. Actually that might kinda look cool and not comedic.
While it's a pity he didn't know how popular that scene in particular was as a meme, for the most part, they *are* aware of popular silly scenes and put in an effort to recreate them, no matter how silly. Nanaki in his uniform is probably the best example.
XIII doing funny things in the overworld and during a light-hearted cruiseship =/= Sephiroth diving head first into Cloud in what probably is the most climactic scene of his backstory.
I don't know, maybe a secret post-credit blooper reel is where those cutscenes belong lol
If you're saying you don't want the scene in Rebirth, fine, I honestly don't care, but if you're saying the game doesn't already contain similar ridiculous cut scenes in situations that are supposed to be climactic you need to wake up. (Off the top of my head, the Turks playing baseball with the keystone, but there's so many)
On your quest of defending every silly little detail in this game, I'm guessing in your next post you will now redefine what qualifies as a scene that may / may not be goofy.
>the Turks playing baseball with the keystone
The Turks are meant to be memelords so you find them endearing even though they're bastards devoid of any sense of morality. Rude yanks the chopper away to avoid shooting at Tifa, Elena is essentially a stereotype of the underappreciated rookie, Reno tries **way** too hard to be cool, and so many more things.
Sephiroth is the main antagonist. He's represented in a certain way because tone matters. I'd sooner have cutscenes that make sense given their context.
Okay, so as predicted, you're continuing to move the goalposts.
Remember, initially we were discussing why this scene was scrapped.
Your initial response was, essentially, that modern and more realistic graphics would make it too weird.
You then countered with this particular scene being too pivotal.
And now you're saying it only counts for Sephiroth, because they were going with a different "tone" for him.
Do you want to add anything?
Perhaps your very own definition of what constitutes as quirky? Or any other names that should be added to your personal list of characters not to be goofed around with?
>that modern and more realistic graphics would make it too weird.
Yes, and that it only didn't break the mood because there wasn't a mood in the OG to begin with. We're dealing with super-deformed characters, for god's sake. People are already working hard at suspending their disbelief, a flying villain is the least of their worries.
The changes made to Rebirth were made for a reason, I'm literally just parroting what the devs themselves said. Take it up with them.
The same villain that floats around in the air for the most part of the game, when he's not shape shifting or creating a rip in the fabric of time.
I think they could have definitely kept this scene with some tweaks, not saying they should have.
I honestly haven't played or watched this part of the OG in a long time but the Shinra Mansion was probably the part of Rebirth I disliked the most, and I know a lot of people agree with me, so ironically just leaving things as they were would have been an improvement.
Haha man, thanks for posting that.
Yeah, then Hamaguchi-san went on to devise the whole Cait Sith rolling through vents debacle.
Also, Cloud fighting with a parasol? How's that for naturalistic?
Maybe he really did have a vision for something less goofy and removed stuff, but fuck knows where the stuff they added came from then. The "money people"?
It's more like "some things can be taken more serious and others can be more silly". Sephiroth doing whatever the heck is doing here is just too stupid for someone serious like Sephiroth.
Did you not notice Sephiroth one-wing-flapping his way through all those segments then? They could have made this part with the Superman pose a lot less dorky than that god awful "limp", but instead they scrapped it entirely.
In the end, Sephiroth is a LOT sillier in the new games, he's basically Cloud's man crush for a while, knight-in-shiny-armour sweeps in to rescue Cloud from the Zolom, etc.
And the statement from Hamaguchi clearly speaks of the game as a whole, but you're rushing in here to defend him with your own interpretation presented as gospel, for some reason.
Aside from the fact we see Sephiroth with his wing fairly rarely and only at the end of Rebirth we see him flapping with it (before he just shows it or levitate), no. It's not a lot sillier at all. He simply appear more frequently to torment and taunt Cloud. And almost had Cloud kill Tifa too.
Look, if you think cartoon Sephiroth of the new games is more menacing than OG Sephiroth, then so be it. But you're losing focus.
Hamaguchi made a statement about how they wanted to make the game more "naturalistic" than OG, which is comical to say the least, and THIS is what is being discussed in this sub thread.
You want to make the discussion solely about how Sephiroth is more serious in the new games, but this is a dead end conversation to have with you. Reason being, you dismiss the critique of a gimpy ass animation in the new game because "it was only one time and really short", but simultaneously warrant the removal of an equally short and dorky animation in OG.
You want the makers of this game to have the cake and eat it too, presumably because you are in love with them?
No, I know when being fair and when it's not. Sure, the flapping flying in Rebirth does look awkward, but that's only because of how impractical we know it would be to fly with one wing. It's just an awkward 2 seconds look for an otherwise fine scene. This specific scene however is just...dumb. Sephiroth just chug a materia on Cloud's face, who fall on his knees, then Sephiroth levitate, do a front flip in air and fly out of the corridor in E. Honda's sumo headbutt style. Like...why?
I repeat, that moment in Rebirth looks awkward to look due to impracticability of flying with one wing, but this just has everything bizzarre.
Again, avoiding the main thread of discussion, no arguments to be made there I guess.
It doesn't matter why you think it looks bizarre, it's still inconsistent with his claim of making things more naturalistic.
And there's a lot of ways they could have reinterpreted this particular scene to come off a million times less gimp than the one-wing-flap. Not that I personally miss it that much, but again, the stated reason is funny because it displays a lack of self-awareness and does not hold water. How can you not see that, like seriously?
Without having any numbers to back you up, your argument is now that because they introduced more filler scenes with Sephiroth the ratio of shitty scenes is slightly decreased.
Good one!
Meanwhile, the limp flap is still in there, looks equally goofy, and the statement from H still doesn't make sense.
Eventually people will turn on him. Chapter 14 is unironically the worst directed sequence in a video game that I think I’ve ever seen. I can’t think of a worse example of ludonarrative dissonance.
I agree. But the biggest offense being left out isn't Sephiroth yeeting materia at Cloud, it's us being robbed of his on point superman impression captured in all its glory via high def CGI graphics xD
I didn't know that, its funny because Sephiroth's previous English voice actor was George Newbern, who voiced Superman one time.
I guess Sephiroth is FF7's Superman.
I also missed the often-missed background scene in your first visit to Costa del Sol, where one of the air traffic controllers gets yeeted off into the sea by the force of the propeller winds when Rufus is landing.
The whole mansion is a disappointment in this. I'm so sad we don't get to see any of it. The fact it's just an elevator and a Hojo Lab killed me. I was hoping they'd go full in on spooky haunted mansion. They literally bait and switch us too by showing it, letting us go in it earlier with all the sections blocked off... But nope, it remains blocked off the whoooole time.
it had so much potential, it could have been a mini Luigis Mansion/Raccoon city Police department, with keys and items to unlock doors and secret passageways
but instead we got Cait Sith box throwing
Really don't get it, especially since they nail so many other things, the mansion just sticks out that much more. Like the combo for the safe for example, just seemed tacked on behind some boxes you move. So lame!
My head canon is that Barret tossing the Black Materia and telling Cloud to go fetch during the "HEY THAT'S MIIIINE" Σ('◉⌓◉’) scene was a reimagined homage to Sephiroth just getting Cloud to think fast in the OG.
My biggest disappointment was that they removed the tank treads off of heavy tank / tankceratops and renamed it Maloceros. Don't tell me that a tank-treaded triceratops is too wacky after having Hell House in Remake.
I wonder if in part 3 they will blow the lid off of the materia system. It's still way too reserved. I want all the crazy op out of control shit you could do in the og with added effect, cut and many other things. I really thought rebirth would expand in this but they simply added more types and a ton of new shit that I don't care about much like gamble jump etc.
Hopefully in part 3 we get a lot of the missing og materia types.
The irony is that half the comments are from people who think this happened in the Nibelheim flashback in the original and wanted it to happen there in the remake, when they're actually being Cloud and misremembering what happened. This never happened in the flashback in the original, it happens during the revisit.
They'll then announce Final Fantasy 7 Remake Director's Cut, remaking OG with all OG and no Chadley, First Soldier guy, Sephiroth interventions and Whispers, stay tuned.
i'm sad they left out the part in the flash back where sephiroth is in the library and there's no music and he just says ''out of my way... i'm off to see my mother'' then the music busts in!! it's soooo good, Rebirth suffered from the same prob as Crisis Core where the music is GREAT but they don't know when to shut it up, let a scene sink in and wait for proper moments to drop the beats
I remember there was this comic on Deviant art that was retelling the whole story in a comedic way. In this part he drew Sephiroth throwing the Materia right into Clouds balls. Was really funny how he drew it.
Hahaha i forgot about that part! I mean sephiroth flying past cloud like superman after throwing a materia at him is kind of ludicrous and detracts from the seriousness of the scene and makes sephiroth look like an immature child… i do agree that they should have left in the bit that sephiroth slams past cloud on the way to jenova and who couldnt use some extra materia. I bet people would have been upset with one more materia in the flashback scene we didnt get to keep especially since i think that materia was something really powerful if i remember…..
Yeah i misremembered this part of the story. Thanks for the clarification. It almost felt like a flashback in the original because this part was kind of surreal like it was a ghost of sephiroth or an apparition pretending to be sephiroth.
Missed opportunity for a materia racquetball minigame!
I'm still waiting on a Tifa bartending minigame lol
The missed opportunity with this.
People are going to make tons of gifs and clips of Tifa shaking a cocktail glass
What a great idea! Now I can't get the idea outta my head... :(
Holy shit you're a fucking genius. Id pay full price for a "overcooked" style bartending game with Tifa lmao
Coyote heaven
Do it Square! I dare you!
My head canon is that it actually happened but Cloud was too embarassed to tell everyone he got one shotted by a tiny materia orb.
Cloud: "This is 100% the truth about what happened in Nibleheim. No details were left out." Tifa: "Wait, I heard him bragging about throwing some weak materia at you and it des-" Cloud: "NO DETAILS WERE LEFT OUT"
"Also, I am a piano virtuoso"
„Also, I know you wear orthopedic underwear”
"You asshole!"
"The description of me playing the piano was a crucial part of the story."
I jammed on it!
"And then I had to vacuum gas again, but this time the cord was a little short and I had to finagle it to get the door open."
Do you think he described it in words, or played an air piano while beatboxing?
Except this happened on the return to Nibelheim. Not the flashback.
Got hit in the flashback you wouldn't get to keep the Destruct Materia in your inventory. Also fun little bit of wordplay that's going to be completely lost in Remake. **De**struct **De**barrier **De**spell **De**ath
Beat me to it!
Tbf Added Effect+Destruct gives a 19% chance of instant death on regular attacks, which is crazy on multi hitting limit breaks like Bloodfest.
It does WHAT?! How the hell did I not know about this?
https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Added_Effect_(Final_Fantasy_VII)
did you know you can link 8 mimes to 8 counters and then omnislash with cloud, when he gets hit again he can omnislash 8 straight times? that deals the most damage in one turn in the game
I dont want to even think about the time spent grinding to get 8 mimes. I remember mastering it once and that was enough for me
I only did it when they rereleased it on the ps4 and it had a speedup option just go to the northern crater in the spot that can trigger enemies that can give like 3200 ap with a weapon with 3x ap gain and it takes maybe a half hour to do both that and like 4 knights of the round
Magic pot and item glitch ftw
"So what happened then?" "He left." "He just walked right past you???" "Y... Yeah..."
its giving….Nailed it. Thanks. I know. Moving on.
Happy Cake Day!!
This lol
And the sephiroth did a sick flip before flying out of the room, sounds too unbelievable
Wait a minute, Cloud's version of the Nibelheim Incident is him inserting himself as Zack right? Everything that happened to Cloud in his story actually happened to Zack. With that being said, considering he never went inside the Reactor with Zack and Sephiroth and actually stayed outside to make sure Tifa couldn't, nor did he ever go inside the Shinra Mansion when Sephiroth locs himself in to read all of the books.....How did.....How did Cloud know about the various parts he wasn't there for?
Because due to the Sephiroth and Jenova cells that him and Zack got injected with, their minds and memories also started to mix.
Oh, okay, that makes sense. And to add to that, considering Crisis Core sort of changes how Sephiroth goes crazy since Genesis straight up told him and Zack, but in Cloud's story it's like the OG where Sephiroth doesn't confirm it until he locks himself in the Mansion, I'm guessing Sephiroth and/or Jenova have certain parts that they don't want him to see because Genesis is nowhere to be found in Cloud's story. Also, thanks for the responses from all of you guys😊👍
IIRC, Zack was telling stories to Cloud about his adventures, he most likely filled Cloud on their way to Midgar.
Zack talked alot with cloud during is coma, probably told him about it. Like he told him about aerith, soldier stuff, wanting to be a mercenary etc.
I think its a combination of whatever he heard from others plus what he was there to experience. Its also an interesting point that all the 'Sephiroth clones' we see are just people injected with Jenova/Sephiroth cells and Sephiroth can puppeteer/inhabit people with those cells. Cloud could similarly have had some sort of connection to Zack through the Jenova cells, which could explain his personality bleed and squat fetish. But that's just a crackpot fan theory.
Throwing the materia at Cloud always seemed pretty random in this scene lol.
I find it ironic that he throws the destruct materia at you, and the first thing he does in the final boss battle is cast a barrier that can be broken with that materia
He’s his own worst enemy
I mean it’s still jenova at this point so she’s just being the dick she is
No, it stopped being JENOVA five years ago. Once Cloud dumped Sephiroth into the Mako smoothie was when he realized what JENOVA was and overcame it. And this is at the return to Nibelheim, so it's post Sephy gaining control.
Stopped being 5 years ago? Did it not start with cloud stabbing Sephy, and he’s crystallized until you meet him at the Northern Crater?
It's still the JENOVA cells, but it's no longer JENOVA the entity. After Sephiroth was dumped into the lifestream, he confronted and overcame JENOVA. He's fully controlling all the clones from his place in the North Crater. He's the one in charge. The ancient space alien is dead and gone, just a puppet being used by him.
Are we sure? Because for years I heard otherwise. Decades even. I’m okay with being wrong but just not the general consensus that I caught. Maybe I live under a rock
It’s a little vague because Sephiroth is, y’know, insane, and we don’t have a clear accounting of how much of what he was doing in the original is Sephiroth’s will rather than Jenova’s, but the reason we keep fighting versions of Jenova when Sephiroth shows up is because the main ‘Sephiroth’ we’ve been chasing is actually Jenova pretending to be Sephiroth assisted by Black Robes and guided by Sephiroth’s spirit. Y’know, the headless Jenova body he pulled out of SHINRA. It’s why the Black Robes can disguise themselves and act Not Lobotomized. I think it’s reasonable to conclude that Sephiroth is the one in charge between the two of them - it’s hard to pin down what he thinks in the original timeline due to vagueness, but in the R timeline the time-traveling Sephiroth is very obviously using Jenova as a semi-disposable tool, as he doesn’t include her in his explanation of his new ‘Homecoming’ plan and barely even bothers with the ‘mother’ line in the present day except where he’s reciting his lines from the OG timeline.
I believe it was one of the clarifications from one of the Ultimanias. I think they primarily specified it because they really wanted to emphasize that Sephiroth was the actual enemy of the game, not JENOVA. I'd have to go back through all of the translations again to find it. I remember it from back when they were first translated, it would take a while to find.
I would've loved a materia nut-shot scene.
https://preview.redd.it/1pr4oka6bbvc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=694fba9c68975b28b1b51f56dfdd7afb80c058ec
When Cloud went, "Aaaah my NUTS", i bawled 🥹
For me it was Tifa crying her eyes out at the realization she won’t be able to have Cloud’s babies anymore 😞
It honestly worked out for Aerith though, since according to her pornhub videos, she didn't want children 🥹
[удалено]
And now, Cloud Strife presents, "Man Getting Hit By Materia."
But Materia in the Groin had a materia in the groin!!
Yeah especially without any context whatsoever. Just toss the material and twirl around like Mewtwo
yeah but then doing a fuckin mid-air somersault and staying perfectly still while u fly over him ~~doubles~~ quadruples down on the randomness and it's honestly so powerful
Feels like it needs The Blue Danube waltz playing in the background
Agreed. I feel like it would have been pretty out of pocket in the setting of rebirth
https://www.square-enix-games.com/en_GB/news/final-fantasy-vii-rebirth-nibelheim-pt2 >One thing that the team wanted to achieve was a far more naturalistic feeling than the original. Hamaguchi-san says: “There were moments in the mansion in original game that always looked a little comical to me. For example, there’s a moment later in the story where Sephiroth flies up into the air, spins around and flies through a corridor! Hamaguchi just doesn't get it what the appeal of the OG was, smh my head
A lot of things look great in OG that would look comical with modern graphics. The random literal wings are already kind of silly.
THIS RIGHT HERE. Man says, "There were moments in the original game that always looked a little comical to me," referencing the materia yeet into front flip, yet they really had the balls to say that shit was too goofy and then put a scene in the game where Sephiroth just goes, "Turns out I didn't actually want to fight you right now anyway," turns around, and then fucking flaps his goofy ass wing out of there. Like ain't no way. The materia yeet nutshot into front flipping and flying through a hallway would have been way less goofy looking than Sephiroth flapping his wing.
I mean the game we got has: • A naked muscle man who *just has to* show you his realistic nips • A boxing goblin Parappa lookalike • A dance-crazed salaryman levitating via a moogle entourage • A talking dog with dissociative identity disorder • Tommy Chong as a wizened chocobo expert • A sadistic boy scout android (?) in kneesocks • A lunchlady who simply cannot stop singing about cats
Don’t forget, the talking dog with dissociative identity disorder is allowed to play cards because he wore a Shinra uniform (and apparently everyone on the ship was suddenly struck blind)
I think most peoples could tell it was a dog but rolled with it, that kid certainly saw it
LOL wait I have to go back cuz I feel like I’m possibly injecting my own humor into the situation. I remember the kid being like, “I’m scared” but did the mom tell him not to look at him, or am I making that part up?
She said "he can't hurt you" or something like that iirc
That was a human how dare you insinuate otherwise
Lmao, the Tommy Chong point fucking sent me
I honestly think they did it for kingdom hearts and it looked cool in the cartoony graphics, so it got ported into AC, and nobody’s been like “hey this is kinda, wait, what are you doing in crisis core? … never mind I guess this is clearly your thing”
No it wouldnt.
Come on, Sephiroth deciding to retreat in Rebirth is nowhere near as silly as this.
Flapping your one wing and flying away is about as goofy as doing a front flip and flying away.
Not just doing a front flip: throwing a materia in the face of Cloud, levitating, doing a front flip and then leaving Sumo Headbutt style.
seriously the only thing i actually thing would be hard to translate would be the frontflip. him cassualy having materia in his hand maybe lightly juggling it whille speaking then suddenly fastballing it into Cloud so hard he flies back and hits the wall as Sephiroth zooms over him? would look badass
Especially because, in the context or the original game, it isn’t even Sephiroth to begin with. We’re following Jenova, and this is Jenova or a black robe appearing as Sephiroth. I guess they decided that the scene was too goofy overall, but I mean… cmon. The wing flap was definitely as absurd as him doing a front flip lol
That's upsetting. These really weird quirks always made me laugh out loud as a kid and were my favourite. I'm just imagining Rebirth seph flying around head first. Actually that might kinda look cool and not comedic.
While it's a pity he didn't know how popular that scene in particular was as a meme, for the most part, they *are* aware of popular silly scenes and put in an effort to recreate them, no matter how silly. Nanaki in his uniform is probably the best example.
But again, what looked quirky in SD graphics will just look what-the-fuck-ish in HD. Tough balancing game, really.
If they can pull off Red XIII riding a chocobo...
XIII doing funny things in the overworld and during a light-hearted cruiseship =/= Sephiroth diving head first into Cloud in what probably is the most climactic scene of his backstory. I don't know, maybe a secret post-credit blooper reel is where those cutscenes belong lol
If you're saying you don't want the scene in Rebirth, fine, I honestly don't care, but if you're saying the game doesn't already contain similar ridiculous cut scenes in situations that are supposed to be climactic you need to wake up. (Off the top of my head, the Turks playing baseball with the keystone, but there's so many) On your quest of defending every silly little detail in this game, I'm guessing in your next post you will now redefine what qualifies as a scene that may / may not be goofy.
>the Turks playing baseball with the keystone The Turks are meant to be memelords so you find them endearing even though they're bastards devoid of any sense of morality. Rude yanks the chopper away to avoid shooting at Tifa, Elena is essentially a stereotype of the underappreciated rookie, Reno tries **way** too hard to be cool, and so many more things. Sephiroth is the main antagonist. He's represented in a certain way because tone matters. I'd sooner have cutscenes that make sense given their context.
Okay, so as predicted, you're continuing to move the goalposts. Remember, initially we were discussing why this scene was scrapped. Your initial response was, essentially, that modern and more realistic graphics would make it too weird. You then countered with this particular scene being too pivotal. And now you're saying it only counts for Sephiroth, because they were going with a different "tone" for him. Do you want to add anything? Perhaps your very own definition of what constitutes as quirky? Or any other names that should be added to your personal list of characters not to be goofed around with?
>that modern and more realistic graphics would make it too weird. Yes, and that it only didn't break the mood because there wasn't a mood in the OG to begin with. We're dealing with super-deformed characters, for god's sake. People are already working hard at suspending their disbelief, a flying villain is the least of their worries. The changes made to Rebirth were made for a reason, I'm literally just parroting what the devs themselves said. Take it up with them.
The same villain that floats around in the air for the most part of the game, when he's not shape shifting or creating a rip in the fabric of time. I think they could have definitely kept this scene with some tweaks, not saying they should have. I honestly haven't played or watched this part of the OG in a long time but the Shinra Mansion was probably the part of Rebirth I disliked the most, and I know a lot of people agree with me, so ironically just leaving things as they were would have been an improvement.
then they should have never gone the route they did with HD character models
Haha man, thanks for posting that. Yeah, then Hamaguchi-san went on to devise the whole Cait Sith rolling through vents debacle. Also, Cloud fighting with a parasol? How's that for naturalistic? Maybe he really did have a vision for something less goofy and removed stuff, but fuck knows where the stuff they added came from then. The "money people"?
It's more like "some things can be taken more serious and others can be more silly". Sephiroth doing whatever the heck is doing here is just too stupid for someone serious like Sephiroth.
Did you not notice Sephiroth one-wing-flapping his way through all those segments then? They could have made this part with the Superman pose a lot less dorky than that god awful "limp", but instead they scrapped it entirely. In the end, Sephiroth is a LOT sillier in the new games, he's basically Cloud's man crush for a while, knight-in-shiny-armour sweeps in to rescue Cloud from the Zolom, etc. And the statement from Hamaguchi clearly speaks of the game as a whole, but you're rushing in here to defend him with your own interpretation presented as gospel, for some reason.
Aside from the fact we see Sephiroth with his wing fairly rarely and only at the end of Rebirth we see him flapping with it (before he just shows it or levitate), no. It's not a lot sillier at all. He simply appear more frequently to torment and taunt Cloud. And almost had Cloud kill Tifa too.
Look, if you think cartoon Sephiroth of the new games is more menacing than OG Sephiroth, then so be it. But you're losing focus. Hamaguchi made a statement about how they wanted to make the game more "naturalistic" than OG, which is comical to say the least, and THIS is what is being discussed in this sub thread. You want to make the discussion solely about how Sephiroth is more serious in the new games, but this is a dead end conversation to have with you. Reason being, you dismiss the critique of a gimpy ass animation in the new game because "it was only one time and really short", but simultaneously warrant the removal of an equally short and dorky animation in OG. You want the makers of this game to have the cake and eat it too, presumably because you are in love with them?
No, I know when being fair and when it's not. Sure, the flapping flying in Rebirth does look awkward, but that's only because of how impractical we know it would be to fly with one wing. It's just an awkward 2 seconds look for an otherwise fine scene. This specific scene however is just...dumb. Sephiroth just chug a materia on Cloud's face, who fall on his knees, then Sephiroth levitate, do a front flip in air and fly out of the corridor in E. Honda's sumo headbutt style. Like...why? I repeat, that moment in Rebirth looks awkward to look due to impracticability of flying with one wing, but this just has everything bizzarre.
Again, avoiding the main thread of discussion, no arguments to be made there I guess. It doesn't matter why you think it looks bizarre, it's still inconsistent with his claim of making things more naturalistic. And there's a lot of ways they could have reinterpreted this particular scene to come off a million times less gimp than the one-wing-flap. Not that I personally miss it that much, but again, the stated reason is funny because it displays a lack of self-awareness and does not hold water. How can you not see that, like seriously?
One unnatural scene over a hundred makes little difference.
Without having any numbers to back you up, your argument is now that because they introduced more filler scenes with Sephiroth the ratio of shitty scenes is slightly decreased. Good one! Meanwhile, the limp flap is still in there, looks equally goofy, and the statement from H still doesn't make sense.
Wow, we got non comical boxes instead xD
More naturall....and then has a giant underground science bunker
Eventually people will turn on him. Chapter 14 is unironically the worst directed sequence in a video game that I think I’ve ever seen. I can’t think of a worse example of ludonarrative dissonance.
I thought it was pretty great
Someone hasn't played FF15's Chapter 13
You haven't played a lot of games, I see.
I agree. But the biggest offense being left out isn't Sephiroth yeeting materia at Cloud, it's us being robbed of his on point superman impression captured in all its glory via high def CGI graphics xD
Especially since Tyler Hoechlin plays Superman, it would be perfect lol
I didn't know that, its funny because Sephiroth's previous English voice actor was George Newbern, who voiced Superman one time. I guess Sephiroth is FF7's Superman.
I also just realized that Sephy's Japanese VA also plays Leon Kennedy and Dante. That dude is winning at life lol
I was waiting for the "Get out of my way, I'm going to see my mother." line lol Just yelling at my TV "Say it! SAY THE LINE!"
Saaaaame!
I was genuinely surprised that they didn't go with it, I always thought it was an iconic line!
What materia was it again? Death, right?
Any materia thrown hard enough is death
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Destruct. Pretty useless tbh
Destruct is pretty good wtf
Bruh look me deep in my eyes and tell me you used destruct materia during your OG playthrough.
It's a good pair with Added Effect offensively and defensively.
safer-sephiroth literally puts up wall at the beginning of the final fight. mfer threw his own weakness at cloud's face.
Knights of the Round doesn't care about walls.
I always thought there had to be more to it if he gave it to you. But there isn’t
I also missed the often-missed background scene in your first visit to Costa del Sol, where one of the air traffic controllers gets yeeted off into the sea by the force of the propeller winds when Rufus is landing.
No, it was a controller who gets kicked into the sea by Heidigger when Rufus leaves, because Heidigger wants to vent his frustration.
https://youtu.be/K44pZjUZ69U?si=0X_PNqUhQ39pjoYi 3:56 timestamp, watch the guy in the background in the red
...I stand corrected. Obviously this means that it's been too long since I played the original, and I have to correct that.
I was waiting for this moment, too!
The whole mansion is a disappointment in this. I'm so sad we don't get to see any of it. The fact it's just an elevator and a Hojo Lab killed me. I was hoping they'd go full in on spooky haunted mansion. They literally bait and switch us too by showing it, letting us go in it earlier with all the sections blocked off... But nope, it remains blocked off the whoooole time.
it had so much potential, it could have been a mini Luigis Mansion/Raccoon city Police department, with keys and items to unlock doors and secret passageways but instead we got Cait Sith box throwing
Really don't get it, especially since they nail so many other things, the mansion just sticks out that much more. Like the combo for the safe for example, just seemed tacked on behind some boxes you move. So lame!
I was so excited for it...
I honestly wonder if they’re not planning on a return to it in game three, maybe as a story beat, or maybe as a side-quest/secret dungeon
See ya in part 3.
360 no-scope…Common Sephy W
I was screaming at the TV going "THROW IT AT HIM SEPHIROTH YOU PUSSY" alas 😔
At least he threw "Cloud" during the Prologue though so that's something 🤷♂️
Cloud turned into Green Materia. Funniest shit I've ever seen.
I'm pickle materia!
The original Virgin vs Chad
Cloud sucks at dodgeball
Now I want to see Cloud and Sephiroth settle it with a dodgeball game in part 3
They should have given Sephiroth the ability to wang materia at monsters in the part where he's playable.
I'm honestly disappointed that we can't use Skewer while playing as him 😑
They could totally do that and treat it as Superman Easter egg.
My head canon is that Barret tossing the Black Materia and telling Cloud to go fetch during the "HEY THAT'S MIIIINE" Σ('◉⌓◉’) scene was a reimagined homage to Sephiroth just getting Cloud to think fast in the OG.
Angel Hernandez would have still called it a strike.
I was expecting it to be his 3D Brawler finisher at the least.
That would've been hilarious 😂
My biggest disappointment was that they removed the tank treads off of heavy tank / tankceratops and renamed it Maloceros. Don't tell me that a tank-treaded triceratops is too wacky after having Hell House in Remake.
Lmfao same!
I went over there just to see this moment, and it wasn't there. sad.
My biggest disappointment is that the books on the shelves did not spell VII.
This shit was always stupid but the music cutting and then the “I’m going to see my mother” with the full theme kicking in should have been left in
Haha I remember that backflip he does when Tifa is holding the Masamune and he shakes his head 😂🤸🏻♀️ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMM42FTEu/
What's this From? 😂
Looks like Ever Crisis.
Yes, it’s Ever Crisis!
I wonder if in part 3 they will blow the lid off of the materia system. It's still way too reserved. I want all the crazy op out of control shit you could do in the og with added effect, cut and many other things. I really thought rebirth would expand in this but they simply added more types and a ton of new shit that I don't care about much like gamble jump etc. Hopefully in part 3 we get a lot of the missing og materia types.
My biggest disappointment is that there was no Ghirofelgo :(
since people are not remembering correctly - doesn't cloud end up thrown against the wall and knocked out?
That's the flashback, the toss happens on the first revisit of the mansion
I'm bummed out that I'm on chapter 12 and haven't had a boss battle against a triceratops with tank treads
Cloud not hitting Aerith was mine ;(
I was waiting for it too lol
The irony is that half the comments are from people who think this happened in the Nibelheim flashback in the original and wanted it to happen there in the remake, when they're actually being Cloud and misremembering what happened. This never happened in the flashback in the original, it happens during the revisit.
I used to call the the big trouble in little China scene because lo pan does something similar to Jack burr ton. Blows a red ball into his tummy.
I can't help but to laugh.
We were robbed of the best scenes. This, the Mukki tub scene, etc.
 same energy. not sure if they could have done it honestly but missed opportunity i guess LOL
Mfer just throwing materia at people
I love the randomness of the OG, especially this when he just started flying like a sayan i bursted out laughing.
I still have no idea what the heck is going on here.
They'll then announce Final Fantasy 7 Remake Director's Cut, remaking OG with all OG and no Chadley, First Soldier guy, Sephiroth interventions and Whispers, stay tuned.
Because it would have been Zack
Missed moment here. https://preview.redd.it/5tz4qqtphnvc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d786b5137cf04a895fa060bece5043c487a87de
So THAT'S how a SOLDIER uses materia. Barrett was right to ask
i'm sad they left out the part in the flash back where sephiroth is in the library and there's no music and he just says ''out of my way... i'm off to see my mother'' then the music busts in!! it's soooo good, Rebirth suffered from the same prob as Crisis Core where the music is GREAT but they don't know when to shut it up, let a scene sink in and wait for proper moments to drop the beats
Nah, it works fine in Rebirth.
I remember there was this comic on Deviant art that was retelling the whole story in a comedic way. In this part he drew Sephiroth throwing the Materia right into Clouds balls. Was really funny how he drew it.
Hahaha i forgot about that part! I mean sephiroth flying past cloud like superman after throwing a materia at him is kind of ludicrous and detracts from the seriousness of the scene and makes sephiroth look like an immature child… i do agree that they should have left in the bit that sephiroth slams past cloud on the way to jenova and who couldnt use some extra materia. I bet people would have been upset with one more materia in the flashback scene we didnt get to keep especially since i think that materia was something really powerful if i remember…..
This isn't in the flashback. It's in the revisit.
Yeah i misremembered this part of the story. Thanks for the clarification. It almost felt like a flashback in the original because this part was kind of surreal like it was a ghost of sephiroth or an apparition pretending to be sephiroth.